1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm a homegrowl that knows a little bit about everything 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: and everybody. You know, if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: what's up? Is Lauren len Rosa And this is the 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Latest with Lauren Lenrosa. This is your daily deal on 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of the 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: conversations that shake the room. Baby. Now checking in behind 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: the Scenes of the Grind, which is our segment here 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: at the Latest with Laura l Rosa where I get 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: a chance to really sit down and think about how 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm feeling. And hopefully you guys at home are doing 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: the exact same thing as I am doing it. That 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: is the intention, because a lot of times when you're moving, 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: you're hustling, your grinding, you're trying to figure things out, 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: you solving problems for yourself, your mom, your dad, whoever, 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: you don't ever really take the time you need to 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: just check in, just sit down, check in and see 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: how you're really feeling about some real things. So checking 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: in behind the scenes of the Grind. This connects to 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: the episode a bit. I am feeling very empowered. Now. 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold y'all, I'm not one of them 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: girlies who like it, loves all of the women empowerment brunches, 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: and you know, all the things I think. I think 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of that stuff can be very performative. 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: I know people who do it and it's not performative, 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: but I think it can be performative. And I think 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the performance of it has taken away from the true 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: essence of like, Yo, I'm gonna get together a bunch 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: of dope people to have a bunch of dope conversations 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: because we all be going through things for real, for real, 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean men, women, black, white, yellow, and different. Everybody 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: goes through things. Yes, it is very different as you 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: start to change the color you're not. You know, I've 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: not ever here at the latest with Laura the Roads. 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: We ignore that. But when people get together, I think 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: we can solve so many different issues if we were 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: ever able to sit down and have honest conversations about 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: how things made us feel, what we're experiencing and why. 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: And I think Michelle Obama and what she has been 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: doing in her podcast space. She has her own podcast 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: with her brother Craig called In My Opinion, and what 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: she's been doing in the conversation she's been having over 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: there are just amazing. At first, I'm not gonna lie, 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I was a bit, like, not skeptical. I mean, it's first, Lady, 44 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama, Are you crazy? Right? Like? I knew that 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: whatever she decided to put her mind to after the 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: White House would take off, But I was just a 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: bit nervous I guess that's the better word for her 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: when I saw that she was going to be doing 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: a podcast, because I know in the podcast space, the 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: beauty of it is that you can really, you really 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: can connect with your audience. You can be very real 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: about how you're feeling, what you got going on. You 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: get to cultivate your guests in the conversations, and you 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: could really lean into who you are and expose so 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: much about yourself and learn so much in real time 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: in front of your audience, if you choose to. I've 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: done the right way. Everything about Michelle Obama in the 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: White House, from the time we first met her when 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: Obama was elected back in twenty eighteen to today in 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, has been super authentic. Like, nothing about 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama gives fake girly empowerment branches at all. Okay, 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: not at all, so I think my worry it was 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: more of a protection of like, y'all don't deserve my 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: first lady, not on a regular basis, not her thoughts, 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: not her opinions, because all people are gonna do is 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: ribom Park. But nonetheless she has pressed on and you know, 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: she is tons of episodes and guests from everyone from 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Taraji p. Hinton to Tracy Ellis Ross. They've had everybody 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: on the podcast, Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union, like they 70 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: go in and out of entertainment, pop culture, sportscat Williams 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: was there recently. Just a ton of people in great conversations. 72 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: And the biggest thing I think that I've been really 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: inspired by is seeing Michelle Obama, regardless of all the 74 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: critiques in the headlines and the pushback that have come 75 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: from her having this platform and opening up about things 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: power through as if she don't even hear the noise. 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, she was in the White House. She's the 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: first black, first Lady of the United States, so I mean, yeah, 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: she's used the noise right, but I don't know it 80 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: still just I mean it was inspired in the watch 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: when they were in the White House because they had 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: so much coming at them like Barack Obama's you know, 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: race and identity being questioned, and you know, just the microscope. 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: Seeing the microscope that is on black people in the 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: world day to day be placed on your president and 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: your first lady is like a very different thing to 87 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: watch because you would think that with great achievement comes 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: great respects. And I think that there was a lot 89 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: of respect for Obama in the first Lady in the 90 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: first family, being the first Black first family in the 91 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: White House by people, but I think it depended on 92 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: who you were talking to, and that was hard to watch. 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: So she's used to it. But seeing her push through, 94 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh my god, my two mantras I have? 95 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: I have three? Maybe three that possible? What would Beyonce do? 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Will Michelle Obama go lower, go high with ri Kabad, 97 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: cuss you out or pull out the incense and then 98 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: my final one with Easter Ray even invite you to 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: her Red cup yacht party in the summer. Those are 100 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: the ways, like, those are the boundaries I put on 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: my life when I'm thinking about certain things at certain times. 102 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: So it's just been inspiring to see her grow and 103 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: now she's doing a ton of other platforms, Like you know, 104 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: she sat down with so many people within this last year, 105 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: more recently on the Call Her Daddy podcast. So let's 106 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: get on it into the latest because we got to 107 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: talk about Michelle Obama and some of the things that 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: she's been able to talk about on this podcast. So 109 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: in the latest, first up is Michelle Obama sitting down 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: with Alex of Call Her Daddy. And I'm not even 111 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I was a bit nervous because I'm like, 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: first of all, Alex Cooper and Call Her Daddy podcast 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: can get it. Like I know it's a very like 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: pro woman feminist movement podcast, but they get into very sexual, intimate, 115 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: flirtery conversations and I just yeah, that's not what I 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: want anybody to ever try and have with Michelle Obama. Like, 117 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. On her own podcast, Michelle Obama, 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, like she gets a little personal, I mean, 119 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: not like insanely, but she's talked about, you know, the 120 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: things that she finds Barack Obama, you know, what she 121 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: finds attractive and what she finds sexy, not even just 122 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: on her podcast, but you know, just in headlines in 123 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: different places where she's been and she's been speaking. They 124 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: their love is very on the forefront, right, but call 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: her daddy kind of gets a little bit crazy sometimes. 126 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: But in the conversation, as they very the minute they 127 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: open the conversation, Alex Cooper makes it very plain and simple. 128 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: You are not going to the gate nol raunchy sex 129 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: talk when it comes to Michelle Obama. Let's take a listen. 130 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: When I was preparing for this interview, yes, I realized 131 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: that there were kind of two ways I could go 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: about it. Option one would be more og call her 133 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: daddy days, you know, talk some relationships, try to ask 134 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: you a couple questions about what Zarack. 135 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: Obama wants to get reports on. 136 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: But then there's the other side of this show, which 137 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: is option two, which is hard but important conversations that 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: are relevant to young women and girls all around the world. 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: And so as juicy as option one would be, or. 140 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: Not or not actually fair, it could have been like 141 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: that's that. 142 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh right, fair, I just thought about it, 143 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: and like you sitting here today, as one of the 144 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: most influential and powerful women is the world, it would 145 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: be too great of an opportunity not to have you 146 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: impart your wisdom on the next generation who is watching 147 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: and listening today, So we're going with the option too. 148 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Now after this, they didn't get into the real things, Okay, 149 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: they get on into what is going down lately. So 150 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama has always been such a prominent for women 151 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: and for girls on top of a ton of other 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: things right like education, underserved communities, health, like so many things. 153 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: But the platform that in the stance that she has 154 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: had to take when it comes to being a black woman. 155 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: And I mean, if we're being honest, becoming the national 156 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: poster child of the least respected person in the world 157 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: or in America, is the black woman seeing that on 158 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: a national platform as Michelle Obama gracefully and so fashionably, 159 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it pissed me off. Make me think 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: about it. It's so fashionably. Gave these people the time 161 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: of day as our first lady. And once I gave 162 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: these people the time of day, I mean, some of 163 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: y'all did not deserve her at all, from the fashion, 164 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: to the elegance, to baby the high roads that she 165 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: deserved to take. I'm so glad that when she was there, 166 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: we did as much as we could be outside swinging 167 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: about Michelle Obama and she deserved every cousin coming off 168 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: the porch. Y'all did not deserve her whatsoever. But they 169 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: get into that almost instantly. I mean, the platform is that, 170 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, but that has just been such a 171 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: big calling card from Michell Obama, especially because she was 172 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: so publicly ridiculed. Let's take a listen to Michelle Obama 173 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: on just what her life was like in the White 174 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: House and what that dragging publicly all the time felt like, 175 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: looked like, and what it turned into. 176 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: You've talked a lot about how we live in a 177 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: world where a woman's appearance and our bodies are overly 178 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: scrutinized and objected. What was that experience like for you 179 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: and how did you navigate it day to day and 180 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: not let it distract you? 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: You know, when Brock announced, I was hesitant, But once 182 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: I was on board, I was on board, and I 183 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: knew that I needed to be out there campaigning and 184 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 3: introducing the world, not just to him but to us. 185 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 3: We worked hard at the grassroots and understood that we'd 186 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: have to meet people in their homes and in their communities. 187 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: But as my popularity rose, I was being covered more. 188 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: After all, this great conversation and connection. The top of 189 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: the article would be she was wearing and it got 190 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: worse as we got better. So I understood it as 191 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: campaign tactics. Right, what better way to beat a moving 192 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: engine is to try and slow it down. And so 193 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: with women, what do we do with women? We'd start 194 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: sort of talking of their strength and their So then 195 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 3: I became I was angry, not passionate. It was a 196 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: rolling thing, and I attributed it totally to politics, and 197 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: I didn't write it off to what people really thought, 198 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 3: because I had months and months of understanding that the 199 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 3: people in those auditoriums and in those school buildings and 200 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 3: at those speeches, they understood who I was. 201 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So first of all, let me just say this 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: is what I mean by as nervous as I was 203 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: for Michelle Obama to step into a freely space and 204 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: inter media, I am like so inspired by her resilience 205 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: because even here in this interview, I'm like, so many 206 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: people are gonna grab this and they gonna ugh twist 207 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: turn it upside down. They love to say she's still whiny, 208 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: she plays a victim card or whatever. But what this 209 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: does for women in spaces who really understand what she 210 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: is talking about. Baby, It's it's like the feeling of 211 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: let me okay. The best I can describe, you know, 212 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: people be like I felt seen. The best way I 213 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: can describe feeling seen by watching Michelle Obama talk about 214 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: being a black woman who cared about her hair, her nails, 215 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: and her outfits while also put a cape on. It 216 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: went and saved the world and came home and was 217 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: mommy and wife every day. For a woman, it's like 218 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: coming home after a twelve hour day and taking off 219 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: your heels and your bra. For a man, it's like 220 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: coming home every day after working a twelve hour shift. 221 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: Dinner is prepared, the kids asleep, and baby girl about 222 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: to tuck you in to sleep. If you know what 223 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying, You know what I'm saying right, It is 224 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: such a refreshing, like a like you can breathe a 225 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: moment to hear her be and she's so honest. Oh 226 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: my god, when she said she had so much to say, 227 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: but she wanted to make sure that you know, the 228 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: clothes and the things that she were wearing didn't take 229 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: over what she was the messaging and what she wanted 230 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: to say. It is like the tightrope that you have 231 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: to walk as a woman, especially as a black woman too, 232 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: because normally you're like one a few, one of first 233 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama in these spaces so or to reach certain heights, 234 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: and even if you're not the first person to reach 235 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: that height at like the company you work at, or 236 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: with an organization or whatever. Maybe even family wise, like 237 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm first generation When I say that, I have to 238 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: be clear because a lot of people talk about immigration. 239 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm not. I'm not first like a you know, 240 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: firstborn in the US in my family, but I'm first generation, 241 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm first generation HBCU graduate in college graduate. I 242 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: am first generation for a lot of the different like 243 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: just life success that I'm seeing, So that makes me 244 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: I'm first generation for a lot of other things, just 245 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: under those brackets. Every time I mess up something or 246 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: every time I intend for one thing to happen one way, 247 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: or there's a you know, you know, like she talked about, 248 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: like with the clothing, Like you put on an outfit 249 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I'm showing up powerful and together 250 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: and I feel good. But I've you know, I've been 251 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: on platforms where it's like you do all of that 252 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: and when you leave, the only thing people were talking 253 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: about is what they did or did not like about 254 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: your your clothes, and it's like you missed the whole message. 255 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: Do you understand that like this opportunity can and will 256 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: continue and will and has changed the lives of these 257 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: people that I'm telling you didn't make it the word 258 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I made it to and that is all you care about. 259 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: I care because I have to, like I mean, and honestly, 260 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with careen just because it's a passion 261 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: as well. I know for me, like I like to 262 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: look good. You feel good when you look good. But 263 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: also I'm into fashion. I love the stories that you 264 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: could tell through clothing. I love using articles of clothing 265 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: as my story and like you know, conveying how I'm feeling. 266 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: I just like showing up looking damn good, period. But 267 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: also I can't afford to not show up looking good, 268 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: because the conversation around a black woman when she shows 269 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: up somewhere hair and not together, clothes not together. I 270 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: remember they labeled this was some years back during Barack 271 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Obama's presidency, but I remember Michelle Obama being labeled one 272 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: of Barack Obama's baby moms. Let me, look up the 273 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: guy's name who called her that. Yes, Fox News anchor 274 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: Ed Hill had to apologize after he referred to Michelle 275 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Obama as baby Mama. You know that fist bump photo, 276 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: like that moment that we always referred to when we 277 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: couples goals, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama. He referred to that 278 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: moment as a terrorist fish jab. So not only can 279 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: she not show up, she can't even fist bumping and 280 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: love her man, love on her man, right, Like that's 281 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: just not a thing. But there's just always been so 282 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: much conversation about Michelle Obama and the clothing that she 283 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: wears and how she wears. And don't get me wrong, 284 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: the first lady in the White House had there's always 285 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to what they wear, what they do, 286 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: how they present. Very different conversation. Though when it came 287 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: to a black woman in the first I don't and 288 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: when I read Kamala Harris's book one hundred and seven Days, 289 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and four Days, I said both because I 290 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: don't remember what it is. I think it's one hundred 291 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: and seven. She talked a lot about how once she 292 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: got into the White House, just as Vice president. Right, 293 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: this is the first time that they've ever seen a 294 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: black woman vice president. Right. How she realized, Oh, this 295 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: th ain't set up for me. They don't even know 296 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: what to do with me. They don't know how to 297 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: talk about me. They don't know how to tend to me, 298 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: they don't know how to defend me. It was a 299 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: lot of that. It was everything was criticized. Michelle Obama 300 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: got it worse. I don't even say got it worse. 301 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama got it first. Literally, she got it first. 302 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: So at that point, you know, a Kamala Harris kind 303 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: of had like we all knew what to expect when 304 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama and Barack Obama were headed into the White House. 305 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: If you black, you knew like, okay, great that there 306 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: we need this. But baby, these people were about to 307 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: make it try and make their lives hell. These people 308 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: they ain't gonna like it. Kamala Harris kind of, you know, 309 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: she got a chance to see all of that, and 310 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: I think at some point you would kind of assume 311 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: that the White House would kind of prepare for those things, 312 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: especially on like the press side and the communication side, 313 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: And Kamala Harris talked a lot about not feeling supported 314 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: by the White House's team, and you know, even down 315 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: to Michelle Obama talked about her resume and the fact 316 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: that no one knew it. They didn't know that she 317 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: had done all these amazing prestige Ivy League things. She 318 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: was just Barack Obama's wife, and the first lady in 319 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: the White House gets that, you know what I'm saying, 320 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: Like I don't. Honestly, I can't even tell you much 321 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: about a lot of the first ladies and where they've 322 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: went to school. Besides Jill Biden because she's from Delaware. 323 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, I know her platform, I 324 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: know all the things. But just historically, I think women 325 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: in the White House there's always been, depending on who 326 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: you're talking to, a certain wayed there look at and critiqued. 327 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think people even gave Michelle Obama a chance, 328 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: at least with Jill. You know, there was conversation about 329 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: the things she was doing. Michelle Obama's headlines about you know, 330 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: people calling her let me read it verbatim at ape 331 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and heells there was a a West Virginia official who 332 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: called her ape and heels those headlines were bigger. I 333 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: need to get that officials name, so we can put 334 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: them on notice right here, right now. But those headlines 335 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: were bigger than any of the work that Michelle Obama 336 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: was actually doing. And she talked about the fact that 337 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: like no one cared about a resume. Let's take a 338 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: listen to that. How do you know what to do 339 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: in this role? 340 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 3: And to me it was clear that, oh my god, 341 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: you you don't. You don't know anything about what I 342 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: did before I came here. I went to Princeton and Harvard. 343 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I practiced law. I was an assistant to 344 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: the mayor in Chicago. I ran a nonprofit of five. 345 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh one c three. 346 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: I was a vice president for community relations at the 347 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: University of Chicago Hospitals. That was a dean of students. 348 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: It was like all that just disappeared in the course 349 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: of this whole election, and you now see me as 350 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: just Barack Obama's wife. I shied away from fashion leading 351 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: the conversation, but I knew I couldn't. I didn't completely 352 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: control it. So let's lean in. 353 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: Let's lean in with what we do. 354 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: Let's make sure that we have a plan and a 355 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: strategy in place for how fashion. 356 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: Just like everything we. 357 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: Did in the White House would have meaning and impact. 358 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: Now I thought that this was like such a positive 359 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: spin on it. And if anybody knows me, I'm like 360 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: everything black, Like if we could do black designers, if 361 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: we can do you know what I'm saying, Like I 362 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: always want to try and platform people because I be 363 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: needing to be platformed, Like I understand what it can 364 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: do for someone to, you know, lend a tag on 365 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: Instagram or tell a friend about them, or even if 366 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: none of that, just pay for the services in a business, 367 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: whatever you can do right. Michelle Obama talked about how 368 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: when she was in the White House, because she was 369 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: getting so much scrutiny because she was getting so much 370 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: scrutiny for what would wear, she was like, let's be intentional, 371 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: and that intention honey ate down. Okay. I remember there 372 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: would religiously be a push for people to cover Michelle 373 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Obama's outfits as they do the First Lady. But what 374 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: was so beautiful about it is when you got to 375 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: see the outlets and a lot of them didn't even 376 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: know what was happening. But if you were on our 377 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: in side of things, you knew exactly what was going on. 378 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: Like I would see Michelle Obama like pop up and 379 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: various dresses and I'd be like, oh, that is fire, 380 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: and I would go researching and be like a designer 381 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: from Johannesburg, Makai oh, and a lot of times she 382 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: like make sure, made sure she leaned it on like 383 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: women designers like that was like a big thing of 384 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: hers as well too. There's so many different lists of 385 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama and black designers, but there's one moment, and 386 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: I know Sergio Hudson also worked with Kamala Harris as 387 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: well too, and Lawan Smith shout out to Lawan Smith. 388 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: She wore Sergio Hudson a few times. But the moment 389 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: that I remember the most is when Michelle Obama popped 390 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: out the Joe Biden's inauguration when they were saying goodbye 391 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: to the White House, and she had on that purple 392 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: baby and that side part was partner and she popped 393 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: out with them leather gloves. The girls that get it 394 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: got it, we knew Sergio Hudson. And what I love 395 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: about this is is if you're not in the fashion world, 396 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: it might not be something that you care about, but 397 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna break it down anyway. When you put on 398 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: a designer and you're a person like a Michelle Obama, 399 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: and you have outlets like The Cut, Vogue, Essence, fashion 400 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Bomb Daily, all of these places covering, refining you, twenty nine, 401 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: covering what you're wearing. That puts this designer in such 402 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: a different conversation and elevates them, like it literally can 403 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: take a designer from a person who was like just 404 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out because of their life a 405 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: clothes to one of the biggest designers in the world, 406 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: especially in the couture space. Because Sergio Hudson is a designer, 407 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about him here on the podcast. Shout out 408 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: to Sergio Hudson. We went to his Fashion Week show 409 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: last season and not last season, last February, I believe 410 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: it was, or no, it was September. It was last 411 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: season September, New York Fashion Week. We went to Sergio 412 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: Hudson's show, and he is so big on supporting black talent. 413 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: But he talks a lot about people showing up and 414 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: supporting each other, and it's because he's had so many 415 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: people show up and support him, including Michelle Obama. The 416 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: culture world itself, which he talks a lot about, is 417 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: not the most friendly, and katuur is like the stuff 418 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that is more expensive, harder to get to. It just 419 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's. It ain't for everybody. It's not the 420 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: most friendly to black people, people of color in general, 421 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: black people specifically, especially designers, models, all of that. So 422 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: when you got the first Lady of the United States 423 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: wearing your clothes, can't nobody tell you nothing, These other 424 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: flashion houses can't sit next to you, It does so much. 425 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: So to hear her talk about taking this moment that 426 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: was so I know it had to be so hard 427 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: for her to this day. There's no way she doesn't 428 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: still deal with just the cause you begin to like 429 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: start really thinking so much about everything, like, uh, how 430 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: does this look like you? Like you're so timid about 431 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: things you would never have been timid about even unconsciously, 432 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: even with her being as you know, prominent and confident 433 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: as Michelle Obama is, Like, there's no way that you're not. 434 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: They used to be on her hair, everything. I'm just 435 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: happy to hear. I'm happy to hear her talk about 436 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: this every single time. I don't care how many times 437 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: she talks about it, and anybody has upset about it. 438 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: This is not the interview for you. Every single time 439 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: she talks about it, I'm happy to hear because I 440 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: think it inspires people in the space, in all different spaces, 441 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: to just push through. You're good and you're doing something 442 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: for other people. Like I had read this Essence article. 443 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: They're the two black women who do Michelle Obama's hair. 444 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: They talked about they did an article based on, like, 445 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, meeting the hairstylists behind Michelle Obama, the former 446 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: First Lady's hair looks and her hairstylace and the Jerry 447 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: Roadway and yayin dim two ohfey. I'm saying that, right, y'all, 448 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: don't be disrespected. I get ever right, name wrong, my bad. 449 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: I tried. But they talked a lot about, you know, 450 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: just what the recognition meant, because Michelle Obama did a 451 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: lot to make sure, not even did a lot, she 452 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: just did what she was supposed to do to make 453 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: sure these women. People knew that these black women were 454 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: behind some of the hair styles that we loved, and 455 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: they talked about how it meant the world to them. 456 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from the article. This little black girl 457 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: inside of me is jumping for joy because representation is 458 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: representation was always important to her. Seeing someone who looks 459 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: like you matters. Beauty and identity are deeply connected for 460 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: all people. I'm proud to be a part of historic 461 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: body of work that shows how our hair allows us 462 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: to express ourselves freely. Then they ask, you know, hair 463 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: is culture, community, and care essence acts. How was working 464 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: with Michelle Obama deepened your understanding of this? And the 465 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: women say, our hair is our identity. Helping my clients 466 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: move confidently through the world is an honor. The significance 467 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: that comes from how women responds to seeing Michelle and braids, curls, baby. 468 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I remember seeing Michelle Obama and braids and I was like, 469 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: I know, that's why you better slip them baby, edges, curls, blowouts. 470 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: It just reinforces that they are seeing. And that's what 471 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: we opened up this episode talking about people be like, 472 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel seen. It's just like you know, 473 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you would be like, I need to go and 474 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: find myself and it's like, okay, you about like basically, 475 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: you ain't got nothing figured it out, and you're trying 476 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: to figure this whole thing out and you're probably about 477 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: to go do a whole bunch of drugs, and that's 478 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: fine if that's what you do, but you just need 479 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: to take that time for yourself and you know, go 480 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: do what you're gonna do over there. We're not jokingly 481 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: seeing it when we said about Michelle Obama. It is 482 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: not the oh my god, I need to gap your 483 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: feel seen. It is not the oh my god, I 484 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: feel seen in her. It is the I feel seen, 485 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: like we really getting down to the shits of like 486 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: what it is like navigating through the world every single 487 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: day as a black person. Baby, this family, they are 488 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: the billboard of it, period and everything that they've had 489 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: to put up with. And since it's still rising, Okay, 490 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: let's end this what Michelle Obama talking about when we 491 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: go high, and then let's talk about when she says 492 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you get a little bit of medium, because honestly, 493 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: these last couple of days, I feel like I need 494 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: to go low. I've been too high. I need to 495 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: go lower so people can leave me to hellon that. 496 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: When someone is cruel or acts like a bully, you 497 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 4: don't stoop to their level. 498 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: No. 499 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: Our motto is when they go low, we go high. 500 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. 501 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: Going high is a it's a it's a long term strategy. Yes, 502 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 4: you know, because the truth is is that going high 503 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 4: is about thinking about trying to really get to the 504 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: real answer, because a lot of times the low answer 505 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: is just our immediate instinct. 506 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: It's just I'm mad and I just want to punch 507 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: you in the face. But it doesn't solve anything. 508 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 4: And if we're all thinking about what the agenda is, 509 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: which is getting to a place where we live in 510 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 4: a country that we're proud to pass on to our kids, 511 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: going high is the only way we get there. It's 512 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 4: our patience, it's our tolerance, it's our belief in honesty 513 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: and truth. It's our belief in hard work. It's not 514 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 4: about getting somebody back. It's not about the immediate clapback. 515 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 4: The immediate clapback is just for your own selfish person 516 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 4: purpose right there in the moment, and rarely does it 517 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 4: solve anything. So I think, yes, we have to be 518 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: a people that keeps going high. Now, going high, it 519 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 4: doesn't mean you don't acknowledge the pain, But how do. 520 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: You react to y'all for tuning in is Laura Rosa. 521 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: This is the Latest with Laura Rosa, daily digging all 522 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: things pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations 523 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: that shake the room. Now, I tell you, guys, every 524 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: single episode my Low Riders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody, 525 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: having these conversations and talking about all of the things. 526 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: But you guys choose to be right here with me, 527 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys for that. 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