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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry

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Speaker 1: my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here we come.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, ros

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. It's time to start reading other people's success

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Speaker 1: stories and start writing on I always tell people leave

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Speaker 1: with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family,

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Speaker 1: My interviews that I do on Money Making Conversations provide

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Speaker 1: and industry decision makers. I got my next guests her book.

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Speaker 1: It's what I say every time I start this show.

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Speaker 1: Don't let your age, friends, family or co workers stop

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Speaker 1: you from planning or living your dreams, no matter who

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Speaker 1: you are, how you think, how they how you, how

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Speaker 1: they think you should look. This is what a book

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Speaker 1: all My next is I call a Kiky care or

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Speaker 1: shared Kelly. That's to my interview that she wasn't killing

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Speaker 1: But that's all right, that's how right. She's Grammy winner,

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Speaker 1: Stellar Award winning artist actress. She portrayed her mother in

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Speaker 1: the Lifetime biopic The Clok Sisters First Ladies of Gospel

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Speaker 1: is Lifetime's highest rated movies since sixteen. And she's an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: Her company Eleve and sixty a very successful clothing line

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Speaker 1: for four figured women, and now Arthur Big, Bold and

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Speaker 1: Beautiful owning the Woman God made You two be. It

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Speaker 1: is an inspirational memoir book for your mind, body, spirit

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Speaker 1: and if you're an entrepreneur your business, please work with

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Speaker 1: the money making conversation. She's my friend, Ki Ki care

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Speaker 1: Shared Kelly. How you doing my friend? I am doing well?

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Speaker 1: How are you well? I'm excited? You know, I always

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Speaker 1: get excited talking to because you're in this rational to me.

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Speaker 1: I have a twenty three year old daughter, and so

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Speaker 1: whenever you come on the show, I look for You're

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Speaker 1: the people in her peer group, you know, because you're

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Speaker 1: she looked to up to you. She follows you. She

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Speaker 1: she finds uh your unblinding faith, your your ability to

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Speaker 1: achieve success. And I usually as an example a lot

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Speaker 1: always excited and she gets excited. So her name is

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Speaker 1: Christiana McDonald's. But thank you. Now let's talk about this book.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about book, let's talk about now that

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Speaker 1: the movie came out. But now we've had a year

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Speaker 1: The movie I'm talking about is The Clark's Sisters First

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Speaker 1: so many ways. One way is when I go to

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Speaker 1: So it really has changed my life in so many ways.

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Speaker 1: I'm a successful in person in this business. I'm a male.

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Speaker 1: it's the beauty of this book. Okay, uh, we're talking

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Speaker 1: of faith, there's a scripture that says confess your thoughts

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Speaker 1: But the latter part of that scripture says, the prayers

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Speaker 1: we also have to get to a place where I'm

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Speaker 1: not settling for anything outside of what I asked for. Like, no,

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Speaker 1: that it's out there. If God put it in you

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Speaker 1: uh to ask for it in prayer, if you have

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Speaker 1: the audacity to think of it, then it's obtainable. It's

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Speaker 1: just make sure you're available and open to love. But

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Speaker 1: I was so closed off and wanting one thing to

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Speaker 1: work that I completely had shut off every you know,

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Speaker 1: all of the great possibilities. So I agree with you. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, by the way successfully singles chapter twelve, Okay,

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Speaker 1: chapter just laid down. No, we just breaking down the

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Speaker 1: chapters as you go along, because now I want to

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Speaker 1: go back before we wrap up. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about the entrepreneurship because that's a part of this that

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Speaker 1: really blew this book up for me because it's written

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Speaker 1: from a woman's perspective, but it also layers out how

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Speaker 1: you took a negative you know, uh and turn it

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Speaker 1: into a business. But along the way you had to

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Speaker 1: uh you know, because because it was a link that

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Speaker 1: I think Lukisha sent to you, the Lukisha sent to

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Speaker 1: you that that enabled you to get into Macy's. And

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Speaker 1: so that's why you say you are the ball. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the God is the ball. Ball, God is

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Speaker 1: your agent. That's that chapter. God is that a chapter?

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Speaker 1: And I tell okay, I um, you know, I for

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm excited because you know, I've interviewed you

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Speaker 1: and we we we've we've we've because we like our tone.

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Speaker 1: But to really see how beautiful you are and how

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Speaker 1: how you you you giving us a blessing in this

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Speaker 1: book to be able to change lives. That's because that's

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Speaker 1: what I think, like a man uh did for a

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Speaker 1: lot of women. It just opened their eyes. And this

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Speaker 1: book can do so much much for so many young women,

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Speaker 1: women who are trying to start businesses, women who are

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Speaker 1: frustrating relationship, women who are doubting themselves, physically, mentally, emotionally,

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Speaker 1: but more importantly, the fastest growing business or franchise of

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Speaker 1: of of of the business world, or women and especially

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Speaker 1: women of color. And to write a book where I

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Speaker 1: think lends so many value lessons of how to because

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Speaker 1: I've even talked about Courtney, and Courtney that's your ride

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Speaker 1: or die? You know what I'm saying. When Ball was

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Speaker 1: being stupid, you called Courtney and she didn't say nothing

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Speaker 1: negative about you, she didn't throw it back in your face.

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Speaker 1: She said, hey, come with me, girl, Let's go over here.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep supporting you. And so, but these are the

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Speaker 1: people that you talk about. You lay out, you said, Richard,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have the people because you know, it was

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Speaker 1: funny when you were talking about Courtney. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about my ride to die? Dude, who is that person?

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Speaker 1: So you made me sit back and go, Okay, Mr Successful,

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Speaker 1: who is your Courtney? Because you gotta have a Courtney.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody to call when you die, because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have down ags, you have doubtful days. Who

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Speaker 1: was that person? But more importantly that led you to

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Speaker 1: become an entrepreneur and that's where you had you know,

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Speaker 1: your your other girls stepping in when you travel made

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Speaker 1: with all over the world, career, everything for your business.

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Speaker 1: It was sitting right there with you at Macy's launching.

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Speaker 1: Your didn't know what you were really doing, but you

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Speaker 1: did it. That's the faith. But there was also having

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Speaker 1: somebody support your dream. Talk about that. It's so important.

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Speaker 1: And I've been in a space where I've had people

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Speaker 1: around that were there, you know, just by work and happenstance,

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Speaker 1: but they weren't really in my corner. They didn't understand

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Speaker 1: my vision um. And it's like, you know, okay, how

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Speaker 1: do we collaborate together? How are we? You know, life

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Speaker 1: partners is not just in the marriage and has everything

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Speaker 1: to to do with your purpose. When you make decisions

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Speaker 1: in your work or in your career, it shouldn't feel

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Speaker 1: like work. It should feel like fun, Like I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm just living on purpose. This is just what I'm

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Speaker 1: called to do. And I think that when you're rareful

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Speaker 1: and asking God Lord, give me this sense of dissernment

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Speaker 1: so I can know who is assigned to me and

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Speaker 1: who's supposed to walk this journey for me or with me.

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Speaker 1: Because there are expiration dates on some relationships and connections

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Speaker 1: that we have, but if we don't respect them, then

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Speaker 1: we'll get exasperated, we can become sick. It's like if

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Speaker 1: we drink some milk that has an expiration date on it,

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Speaker 1: eventually it will make us sick. Our bodies won't respond

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Speaker 1: well to it. And so it's the same thing with people.

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Speaker 1: So you said it again from reading the book, but

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Speaker 1: it's so important to make sure that tribe and I

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Speaker 1: talk about it again twice. So it was squad goes

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Speaker 1: and then there was another chapter called finding your tribe.

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Speaker 1: When you're going out into the earth, you it's not

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Speaker 1: you can't fight everything. You need somebody to have your back.

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Speaker 1: And so those names that you called, they're simply women

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Speaker 1: who I have said. It's family. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you allow me as a woman of faith, I'm

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Speaker 1: always giving scripture. But there's a scripture that says, um,

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Speaker 1: I will give you a friend that is closer than

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Speaker 1: the brother. That wasn't Jesus that they were talking about.

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Speaker 1: They were talking about human beings. And so I think

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Speaker 1: we should understand that covenant relationships are ordained by Heaven

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Speaker 1: and God loves us through people. But it's just a

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Speaker 1: matter of who are the people were saying yes to

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Speaker 1: Because the adversary the appoint the opponent that he also

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Speaker 1: uses people, So make sure you say yes to the

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Speaker 1: right people. Wow, you know, um nothing that I expected

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Speaker 1: this from you. Uh, and that don't apologize. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: been an inspirational but the the whole prospect of would

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Speaker 1: you say it is faith. When you was at Macy's

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Speaker 1: with Shamika, your girl, you're you're ride or die career,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dubai. I'm just we're just calling out some

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Speaker 1: countries that y'all went to, you know, in West Africa,

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Speaker 1: you know, to let you know you both read the book.

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Speaker 1: You know, just this be cause you thought I was stumbling.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not reading nothing. I'm not reading nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just I'm just coming from you know,

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Speaker 1: God's That's all. That's all I'm doing right here. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. I think it was it was a

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Speaker 1: It was a faith piece for sure, because um it,

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Speaker 1: I looked at it as spam. When my cousin Keisha

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Speaker 1: sent it to me, I was like, girl, you know

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Speaker 1: how they send those chain text messages and they say

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Speaker 1: signed up for this, and I'm like, I'm not signing

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Speaker 1: up for this like it was just like whatever. So

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Speaker 1: I really wasn't expecting every opportunity, even this book opportunity,

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Speaker 1: if you allow me to use that as a reference point.

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Speaker 1: The opportunity was in an email account that I just

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Speaker 1: had put aside for spam. But something told me, and

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Speaker 1: you know, again, excuse me, I'm a church girl. So

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Speaker 1: you know how the scene the season says, they say, girl,

553
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Speaker 1: that wasn't something that was the whole a goals. But

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Speaker 1: something told me to go and check the email and

555
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Speaker 1: here I am bumping into a book opportunity. And so

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Speaker 1: I definitely think it was divine. But I think and

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Speaker 1: I believe that God uses people to hand you what

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Speaker 1: belongs to you, that he gives you those moments. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I said it in that chapter, Um, God

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Speaker 1: as my agent, because sometimes you know pr management they do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, believe me when I say they put in

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Speaker 1: the hard work and it has everything to do with

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Speaker 1: where we're going and where we are. But sometimes God

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Speaker 1: does things so that only he can get the glory.

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Speaker 1: And so I will say, you know, God took me there,

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Speaker 1: but there was some other moments where I had to

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Speaker 1: work for it. So even in the word. It says

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Speaker 1: you gotta put action to your faith so you can

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Speaker 1: believe a thing, but what you're gonna do when you

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Speaker 1: get there? So a lot of us are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want this, I want that, I want this, I

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Speaker 1: want that, But are you ready for it? Is your

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Speaker 1: character gonna keep you there? Is your work ethic gonna

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Speaker 1: keep you there? So I definitely think it is two

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Speaker 1: things that are colliding together, and it is my faith

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Speaker 1: and my action. I'm just I've been loving it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I rarely do I have interviews. Where's a motivational? This

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Speaker 1: motivation in the interview right here, you're just dropping these nuggs.

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Speaker 1: I was just sitting back on do your thing. You're

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Speaker 1: do your thing? What do I pass to play? What

581
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Speaker 1: do I pass to play? Because you are dropping scriptures,

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Speaker 1: you're dropping the truth. But more importantly, you've written an

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Speaker 1: amazing book, big, bold, and beautiful, Owning the woman God

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Speaker 1: made I love this part Owning the woman God made

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Speaker 1: you to be. That's it's not about your mistakes that

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Speaker 1: you made in the past. It's not about what people

587
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Speaker 1: think of you now, it's who what do you think

588
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Speaker 1: of yourself? And that's what this journey is about in

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Speaker 1: this book, because if every woman who reads this book,

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Speaker 1: I'll just tell you the woman because I'm talking. I

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Speaker 1: gro up with six sisters, I have only one child.

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Speaker 1: She's female. My daughter love her to death, and and

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Speaker 1: I love what you've done because you're given her an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to read an inspirational, motivational I would say, uh, book,

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Speaker 1: you know of entrepreneurship and based on your memoir, and

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Speaker 1: you was on enough, honest enough to tell us share

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Speaker 1: some of your stories. And all stories aren't good stories,

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Speaker 1: but if they told for the reason, they are all blessing.

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Speaker 1: And I considered this book of blessing. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, and I appreciate you supporting me in

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Speaker 1: both in both fields and with the music we talked

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Speaker 1: and now with the book, we're talking Forgetting three three,

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Speaker 1: the movie, the music, the moving forward for the clothing

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Speaker 1: line eleven and sixty the music, you know, the movie

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Speaker 1: and not this amazing book. I'm dropping it in my

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Speaker 1: news letter, I'm dropping it on my social media again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on my show, Money Making Conversations. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna premiere uh nationally uh TV and May and

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Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm I'm we're gonna drop this early

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Speaker 1: now because I want to drop it down the time

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Speaker 1: of your book, but I'm gonna also re air this

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Speaker 1: That's how Dan, thank you for coming on this show.

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Speaker 1: I really thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations. Okay, yes,

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