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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Content,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 4: speaking with a former military police officer with sixteen years

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Speaker 4: mister Jeffrey Nussatelli. He is best known for documenting and

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Speaker 4: later testifying to Congress about a cluster of UAP incursions

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Speaker 4: around Vanderberg Air Force Base between two thousand and three

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Speaker 4: and two thousand and five. These were incidents, he says,

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Speaker 4: were witnessed by multiple personnel and reported up the chain

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Speaker 4: of command during high priority national missile defense operations. He

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Speaker 4: provided sworn, written, and oral testimony to the House Oversight

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Speaker 4: Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets on

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Speaker 4: September ninth, twenty twenty five. Since then, he's been even

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Speaker 4: more involved with research into the UFO topic. So this

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Speaker 4: is going to be a fascinating show. Hey, Jeffrey's so

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Speaker 4: great to see you, Bud.

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Speaker 5: Hey, happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Man of course. Man, so you testified to Congress, which,

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Speaker 4: that's great. I think everyone who comes forward helps the

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Speaker 4: was that like for you to sit before Congress?

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Speaker 5: You know, that was one of the most intense and

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Speaker 5: the other guys to testify. You know, we take our

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Speaker 4: Man. I bet I was wondering if what was it

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Speaker 4: like leading up to the hearing? Were you nervous? Was

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Speaker 4: there like any intimidation that you felt from anyone, or

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was quite a bit of backlash leading up

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Speaker 5: aware of my case since twenty twenty three, and my

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Speaker 5: the other guys did receive some threats intimidation, So it

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Speaker 4: Obviously, there's probably a lot of people who are deterred

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Speaker 4: I know nothing, no one's going to say anything to me.

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Speaker 5: So initially I had a huge swell of support from

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Speaker 5: new information on other incidents. I talked about five incidents

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Speaker 4: Yeah. See what people don't realize. I think I didn't

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Speaker 4: Since this has happened to you, you have sort of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And that's been the most amazing thing to

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Speaker 4: You know. I agree. We've met people at Contact in

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Speaker 5: Every event I go to, I meet someone and it

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Speaker 5: and we're on this grand stage. You know, it's like

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think you should feel very proud of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my next question. Do you feel that

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Speaker 4: So it's very it gives me some hope, you know,

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Speaker 4: was like to be on the base when these incredible

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Speaker 4: iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We

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Speaker 4: are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Jeffrey Nussatelli. Jeffrey,

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Speaker 4: do you mind going through You said there was more

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Speaker 4: get a sense of what you guys witnessed at Vanderberg.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we had briefly the initial encounter was the

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Speaker 5: Red Square and that's been talked about in Congress on

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Speaker 5: that's when a giant redwing craft came to one of

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Speaker 5: we were having almost nightly encounters. Typically in almost every case,

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Speaker 4: you had a sighting at your house with some friends.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, in two thousand and five, so I was

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Speaker 5: And it was this beautiful, you know, blueish white light,

436
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 5: and it was an orb like thirty feet diameter. It

437
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 5: was large like a house, and we just stood at

438
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 5: like looking at it in disbelief. It was no longer pulsing,

439
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 5: and the light wasn't radiating from it, it wasn't lighting

440
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: up the yard or casting a shadow, no noise, and

441
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: we just like I remember looking at Brandon, my friend Brandon,

442
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 5: and looking back at it, and I thought, keep your

443
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: eyes on it, and I kind of locked my eyes

444
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 5: on it, and then it just vanished. And I looked

445
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 5: at my friends again and they were still looking, and

446
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: I put my eyes back on the spot right over

447
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 5: my house. And then a moment later it reappeared, and

448
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: it had moved to the north to like my right,

449
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 5: and had gone up in elevation a little bit. It

450
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 5: was a little bit higher. And when it reappeared, I

451
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: was looking directly at it, so my head and eyes

452
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 5: had tracked it unconsciously, and it popped in a view

453
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, there it is, and we

454
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: all saw it. And it just hung there for you know,

455
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 5: a moment, and then it gently accelerated and kept gently

456
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 5: accelerating and climbing in altitude, and we watched it for

457
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: like thirty seconds, maybe a minute, and it climbed all

458
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 5: the way up and became a star and vanished.

459
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

460
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then I went in the house, I picked

461
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: up the phone. I reported it to the command center.

462
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 5: About fifteen minutes later, they called me back with the

463
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: reports that they said, nothing you know, on radar, no

464
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 5: air hot air balloons, and yeah, we all we reported it,

465
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 5: did a report the next day and filed it and

466
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 5: that was the end.

467
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: And did it seem like an actual structure like a craft?

468
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 5: It looked solid. I could see a curve, but it

469
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: was just this like it was opaque, like a light,

470
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 5: perfectly round.

471
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. How did you guys go to sleep after that?

472
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: You guys, I had a stay up all night? Yeah

473
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: we did, moy. Yeah, there's no way, man. Yeah, absolutely incredible.

474
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: You know, over your sixteen year military career, did you

475
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 4: notice any changes in the attitude towards even the idea

476
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: of there being non human intelligences within the military. Have

477
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: you seen that shift?

478
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, I think it was probably

479
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 5: always like fifty to fifty because even when I was younger,

480
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 5: like in the early nineties when I joined, we were

481
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 5: hearing UFO reports from people we knew from other bases

482
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 5: in Japan. We had all kinds of incidents. There was

483
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: a bunch of things that happened in Korea that I'm

484
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 5: aware of, and on and on and in the US.

485
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 5: You know, I had buddy stationed in the US and

486
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 5: we'd get together and they'd be like, hey, man, you know,

487
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: let me tell you about something weird. And they would

488
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 5: tell me about a UFO they saw in New Mexico

489
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 5: or in Korea, and you know, we'd talk about and

490
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: some people are like that it's all bs and other

491
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 5: people are like, oh, you know, when I was a

492
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 5: kid or my grandmother saw something.

493
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: So it's just like the general population is the same one. Yeah,

494
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 4: do you have any gut guests as to what you

495
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: thought any of these craft or intelligences may be doing,

496
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: Like do you think it's surveillance or do you think

497
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: it's something else.

498
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 5: I think it's obviously some kind of observation or surveillance, right.

499
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: But it's strange because during these encounters, I think what

500
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 5: triggered the incursion was we were launching next generation technology.

501
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 5: These were technologies there were twenty five years ahead of

502
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: regular technology that were supposed to give US aerospace dominance

503
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 5: for twenty five years, right, And that's when the UFO

504
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 5: started to show up, when we started to put these

505
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 5: assets into space. But then, like with my encounter, there

506
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 5: was no launch that night. It was just a lightning

507
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: sky and when Phoenix put her attention to it, it

508
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 5: started to pay attention to us. Right, So that's the interaction,

509
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 5: Like what's going on like that? To me, that's like

510
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 5: communication or intelligence or intent or consciousness. There's an interplay,

511
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: so who knows why they come, but they're definitely interested

512
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: in the people and the technology, I think.

513
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: Which we often hear a lot of these witnesses. As

514
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier, it's usually around these nuclear bases. Those

515
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: are a lot of the guys that have come forward

516
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: that have witnessed something like this. It seems to definitely

517
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: they seem aware of our military or our technology. Certainly

518
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: are nuclear technology, doesn't that seem to be a common theme.

519
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: Definitely a common thing. But the other thing, I think

520
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: probably many more encounters, at least that I'm aware of,

521
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: happen at non nuclear installations or you know, combat areas.

522
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: Where there are nonetheless advanced technology.

523
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 5: Though you're saying, yeah, right, so it doesn't have to

524
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: necessarily be nuclear, or it could be you know, the conflict,

525
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: like even a low level, you know, kind of primitive

526
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: conflict they show up.

527
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: Do you think at the end of the day, our

528
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: government may have either recovered craft or bodies or some

529
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: type of NHI tech at this point in time.

530
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: I believe yes, And a lot of that is from

531
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 5: the Vargenia case that really I've always been open to

532
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 5: the idea, but there hasn't been any you know, really

533
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: concrete evidence until you know, recently we had David Grush

534
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 5: come out and then I'm like, okay, maybe maybe you

535
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 5: know it's a higher confidence assessment that yeah, we have

536
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 5: recovered them, and then Vargenia kind of locked it in

537
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: for me. So right now that's where I'm landing. I'm like, yeah,

538
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: these things do crash and they are recovered by the

539
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 5: US until proven otherwise. Right, do we have better information

540
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: that that whole incident in Brazil was just a misunderstanding?

541
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? No way. Do you think it's just a small, little,

542
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: black budgeted cabal that controls that knowledge.

543
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 5: No, I think it's a very large and sophisticated program.

544
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: And they keep it quiet by NDAs and intimidation.

545
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 5: Intimidation DA's security protocols need to know.

546
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: Interesting.

547
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: I mean, if something is classified, you know, we won't

548
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: talk about it.

549
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: Okay, when we come back, We're going to talk and

550
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: ask Jeffrey about what's coming next and what we can

551
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: really do to get to the truth. You're listening to

552
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

553
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: paranormal podcast network. We are back on beyond contact. We're

554
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: speaking with Jeffrey Nisatelli. Hey, but it seems like we

555
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: have this big problem with getting more witnesses to testify

556
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: in Congress. There seems to be this issue with some

557
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: of the witnesses who know more things because a they

558
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: can't talk about it in an open forum because of

559
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: their NDA or other intimidation factors, or b they can't

560
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: talk to members of Congress about it even in a

561
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: skiff because the congressional people don't have the security clearance

562
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: to even know about some of these programs. Therefore they

563
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: don't even know what to ask these witnesses. Can you

564
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: explain how that whole thing works.

565
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's quite quite a challenge right now. Right, because

566
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: we have a security state within the US government, the

567
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 5: Congress can't seem to get access to, right, And that's

568
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: a fundamental problem you know with our demoy I design right, Yeah,

569
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 5: by design, right, So that that is the core issue

570
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 5: that we're dealing with. The military is in charge of

571
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: the information and it's not supposed to be like that.

572
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: And that's where I think disclosure, the battle for disclosure

573
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: is beginning now.

574
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: Right.

575
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: We're only now getting a clear picture of the challenges

576
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 5: that lay ahead of us, and part of that is

577
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: the class over classification and the fact that our elected

578
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 5: representatives are not allowed to know what our military is doing.

579
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: And this is a fundamental problem.

580
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: Right.

581
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: So Congress has a lot of work to do. They

582
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 5: have to get the rain, they have to get it

583
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: back into control of the military industrial complex, and that's

584
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: going to be a long, hard fought battle.

585
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: Right that.

586
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: We need, you know, some kind of voting block to

587
00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: get grassroots, district by district, congressional leaders on both sides

588
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 5: of the aisle working together. So that's very difficult.

589
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: You said that our reality is classified? Is that what's

590
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: driving you on this issue? I think that's what I believe.

591
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 5: I believe that that reality is literally classified, meaning there

592
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 5: are parts of nature that are kept secret. And this

593
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: is physics and every other science that goes along with it,

594
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: and we are discouraged or not allowed to look to

595
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: ask questions, to do that type of science, to delve

596
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 5: into the phenomenon. And that's controlled by stigma and classification

597
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 5: and funding for research. Right, So the government is in

598
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: control of almost all research funding, and if they're not

599
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: going to allow people to look into it, then we're

600
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: not going to get any answers. So I believe that

601
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: reality is way more mysterious and enchanted and beautiful and

602
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 5: possibly terrifying than we are allowed to know. And the

603
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: government is aware of that, and if we were to

604
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: know the truth, it would be both liberating for the

605
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 5: human race and terrifying.

606
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: Right.

607
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 5: So that's what I mean by realities classifying.

608
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: Mention that as one of your I'm sorry, no good,

609
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: I was going to say that you've mentioned your three

610
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: stated goals are Number one is to fund research like

611
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: other scientific fields. Two was to end secrecy and this

612
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: overclassification that we're drowning in. And number three is to

613
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: protect these witnesses, which seems you know that would emboden

614
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 4: others to come forward, right.

615
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 5: And that's the thing that we're working on now, me

616
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: and my friends in the network I have. We've been

617
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: promised for many years support, financial support from organizations, legal

618
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: support to help to try to walk these people out

619
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 5: that have the information that we all desperately want to know,

620
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: and that support is not manifested, right, So what we're

621
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: doing now, we're going to flip the script. It's going

622
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 5: to be whistle blowers and witnesses protecting and supporting whistle

623
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: blowers and witnesses. So we're building out an organization to

624
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 5: do that and to legally and responsibly walk these people

625
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: through the process, get them to the right people in

626
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: Congress the need to speak to in a protected fashion.

627
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: And is this the fund that you've set up, Jeffrey.

628
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 5: Now, that fund was basically same idea, but it was

629
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 5: a short term, you know, stop gap gap, like we've

630
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 5: got to pay some rent and build people. So that

631
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 5: was that we need something much larger. We need something

632
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: like an endowment to take care of these people because

633
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: we have to make sure that when they do come

634
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: out and disclose legally they're okay, because their careers are

635
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: going to be over.

636
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: They're going to be unemployable, right, So you cannot get

637
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: a job now that you've been right, So they're going.

638
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: To need retraining. They might have to go back and

639
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: get another degree, right, start a whole new career after this.

640
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: So we've got to have resources in place before we

641
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: can even start to walk these people out because they're

642
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: in jeopardy.

643
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: Right. We hear about these very wealthy people that are

644
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: interested in this topic, like the Rockefeller for sure, was

645
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: extremely interested. You think he'd be the kind of guy

646
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: that would be able to start an endowment or something. Right.

647
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: I've had at least five meetings over the last two

648
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: years with very wealthy people that seem like good people,

649
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 5: and they tell me that they're willing to help, and

650
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 5: they say, what do you need and we tell them,

651
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 5: here's what we need, and here's what we can offer

652
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: in return, and then that money never comes, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: So do you think it's that they get external pressure

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Speaker 4: elsewhere could be?

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Speaker 5: And also, you know they want a return on their

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Speaker 5: investment too, right, They don't that's knocking out there because

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Speaker 5: there are Charlottan's and grifters out there, right, So they

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Speaker 5: want to make sure that you know that that they're

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Speaker 5: they're funding a real whistleblower, right.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 5: So it's tricky because you know, they're saying, well, prove

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Speaker 5: to me that this guy's information is accurate, and we're

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Speaker 5: like we kind.

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Speaker 4: Of right, right, these are nobles too. Yeah, that makes

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Speaker 4: it very very difficult. I can really feel the quandary

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Speaker 4: that it is here. Yeah. You know you mentioned that

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Speaker 4: you're aware of some disclosure allies within the intelligence community

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Speaker 4: that seemed to be inspired by all of this and

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Speaker 4: they know it's real and they're trying to help push

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Speaker 4: the disclosure process for it. How does that work?

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Speaker 5: You know? After the hearing, you know, we really made

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Speaker 5: an impact behind the scenes, especially in the intelligence community

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Speaker 5: and the DD Right, there's a lot of people like

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Speaker 5: me and Dylan Borland and our other friends that are

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Speaker 5: still in service and know the phenomenon is real, right,

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Speaker 5: So we have a lot of silent support in the background,

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Speaker 5: and those people are finding the courage in their professional

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Speaker 5: lives to push this top right, So, good things are

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Speaker 5: happening behind the scenes in the intel community especially, So

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Speaker 5: we've got some support there now, and I think good

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Speaker 5: things are happening. But if people are expecting, like some

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Speaker 5: very rapid disclosure, I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: It's too complicated and too nuanced and too dangerous. And

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Speaker 5: this is a multi year, you know effort. I think

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Speaker 5: we begin the battle begins now.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating stuff. Hey man, thanks so much for sharing. This

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Speaker 4: was absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate you taking the time in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I appreciate you know you giving me the

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Speaker 5: opportunity and giving us a voice.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: You know what you guys are doing is so important

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Speaker 5: and I think podcasters and things like Contact in the Desert,

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Speaker 5: you guys are the frontline troops in this fight. You

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Speaker 5: do the research, you ask the questions, you give people

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Speaker 5: an opportunity to share. So thank you man. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: We do try. Thank you, brother, and thanks everyone for listening.

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Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter, on Instagram at cd

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Speaker 4: Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out Contact Inthedesert

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