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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, why don't we stuff to boil

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<v Speaker 1>your mind? My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie. Julie.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a lot of coffee in your house? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you a coffee household? Yes? How do you make your coffee?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? I put a lot of creamer in it

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of sugar. Yeah. What kind of device

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<v Speaker 1>do you use? I'm weak sauce when it comes to this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a standard coffee machine? Yeah. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if someone asked me if if our coffee machine had

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<v Speaker 1>been seasoned, and I was like, what do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>season and apparently like if you brew a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of times then infuses your coffee with a better flavor. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Seasoned is often a term for gross stup, you know, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's there enough stuff growing in or on your kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>implement to give it as the desired flavor. Then yes, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>it is seasoned. What about you? We we use um,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we have a standard Mr Coffee. Um, We've

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<v Speaker 1>tried to use different you know, perculators and stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>never quite works out. When I was coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Coffee and then I also bring out the French

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<v Speaker 1>breasts if I want to do something a little nicer.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you had the fancy pants when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to coffee, that is not No, I don't even begin

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<v Speaker 1>to have fancy pants because there are so many complex

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<v Speaker 1>ways of making coffee. There's so many different cold brew devices,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course pour over is the big thing these days.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I'm I'm really I mean, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>straight up, you know, instant coffee drinker. I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a tencent cup kind of a guy, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely far from fancy. Well, all I know is that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a month here at how stuff works

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<v Speaker 1>when our our bean supply got really low, and you

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<v Speaker 1>you were the person who blaze the trails and saying

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<v Speaker 1>we must fortify the being supply. So I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to you. Coffee is important to me. I I

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<v Speaker 1>drink coffee every day, and if I forget to drink it,

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<v Speaker 1>my my body is quick to remind me that I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot to drink it. And uh, and I like a

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<v Speaker 1>good cup of coffee, but I'm just not not as

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<v Speaker 1>as picky as a lot of people are. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe my tasting coffee is just not as nuance.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I do love love a good cup of coffee. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is one of those things that you

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<v Speaker 1>could discuss this for hours and hours. You can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about shade grow and you can talk about fair trade.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to talk about those aspects, nor are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to talk about the different ritals um that exist.

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<v Speaker 1>All fascinating, but we're gonna to kind of go into

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<v Speaker 1>what coffee is doing to your brain in some of

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of coffee. And uh, first I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>point out something about coffee, or caffeine in particular, that

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<v Speaker 1>it is the most widely consumed psychoactive substance on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's surprising. In North America, around adults

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<v Speaker 1>report using caffeine every day, eighteen billion dollar business in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, and there are more than sixteen billion pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee beings produced per year in the US. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of psychoactivity. And the number one consumption

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee in the United States Gas No New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, that would that would make a lot more sense. Yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>coffee one oh one. Here, let's go through some of

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<v Speaker 1>the basics for you guys. Yeah, so coffee beans of course,

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<v Speaker 1>So these come from from the coffee plant and theise

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<v Speaker 1>are you know, seeds found in the pit of a

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<v Speaker 1>cherry sized fruit on the coffee plant. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>just if you've had the experience, if you've visited like

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee farm and had the chance to try them,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just does not taste like coffee if you

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<v Speaker 1>just pick it up in sweet right, like sweet sweet

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<v Speaker 1>and a little you know, bitter. It's it's not something

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<v Speaker 1>where you would just feel like snacking on them, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not getting a it's not like eating a blueberry,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not like eating a coffee bean. And presumably

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<v Speaker 1>though you'd get a bit of a caffeine rush just

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<v Speaker 1>from this. Yeah, because the earlier methods, if you go

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<v Speaker 1>back in time, you know, did not involve slow roasting

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<v Speaker 1>coffee beans. Um. One that I ran across, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually from the house Stuff Works article on

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<v Speaker 1>coffee um is that early East African tribes would mix

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee berries and that's again they unhold beans called

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee cherry with animal fat forming energy balls. So

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<v Speaker 1>you could think of it as a as a primitive

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<v Speaker 1>power bar, except except maybe a little less gross. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about that. I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you not. I was thinking about the wrapper that would

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<v Speaker 1>go around that, like animal fat, big lump of fat

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<v Speaker 1>and coffee bear is just poked in and you just

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<v Speaker 1>you just shot down the whole thing and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>good to go. Handcrafted. Yeah, there you go. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the interesting thing about that too is

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<v Speaker 1>that the beans are actually seeds. We call them beans

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<v Speaker 1>um and coffee trees. They are woody perennial evergreens, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are grown in tropical climates and seventy different countries. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>These climates, these countries, the areas are known as the

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<v Speaker 1>bean belt. So I already mentioned the some some early

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<v Speaker 1>East African tribes. You have some stuff on goat herders

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, the is and this is again from

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<v Speaker 1>how Coffee Works, our article that we have on house

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<v Speaker 1>supports dot com. There is an Ethiopian legend whearing coffee

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<v Speaker 1>is discovered by a goat hurder named Caldi, who found

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<v Speaker 1>his goats frolicking and full of energy after eating the

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<v Speaker 1>red berries. And uh, Caldi tried the berries for himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and lo and behold, he also started frolicking around, and

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<v Speaker 1>after witnessing the strange behavior of this goat hurder and

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<v Speaker 1>his goats, a monk took some of the berries back

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<v Speaker 1>to his fellow monks, and then they stayed up all

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<v Speaker 1>night long and they were alert and behold the coffee

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<v Speaker 1>beans powers were revealed. They also became rather big, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>in in the in the Islamic world, and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>flowed with the expansion of Islamic culture and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>some people say whirling dervishes. Actually um of early Islam

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<v Speaker 1>especially had were fueled by coffee. Whirling dervishes. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone's seeing footage films of this where there's

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<v Speaker 1>the they wear these kind of flowing garments, they go

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<v Speaker 1>into these swirling patterns and it's really really beautiful stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>At least a lot of coffee would make sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, apparently during the thirteenth century, coffee was extremely

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<v Speaker 1>popular with Muslim um communities because of its stimulant powers.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see how they also appealed to this

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<v Speaker 1>monks with the with the goat herder who discovered it,

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<v Speaker 1>because what do you do with those stimulant powers? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>It can be very useful during really long prayer sessions,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the story behind this, according to Tory Avy,

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<v Speaker 1>who is writing for PBS and her article The Caffeinated

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<v Speaker 1>History of Coffee, is that coffee plants, they did not

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<v Speaker 1>exist outside of Arabia or Africa until the sixteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>when this guy named Baba Boudon, an Indian pilgrim, left

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<v Speaker 1>Mecca with the legend says, fertile beans fastened to a

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<v Speaker 1>strap across his abdomen smuggle him out, smuggled him out

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<v Speaker 1>and established a new and competitive European coffee trade, which

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<v Speaker 1>leads perfectly to the Age of Enlightenment exactly. So, I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone's heard this story before. This is the idea that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in human history, um, water wasn't always the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing to drink. It wasn't always the purest um.

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<v Speaker 1>So drinking water to maintain your hydration level might make

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<v Speaker 1>you fabulously sick. Better off trusting good old fashioned beer. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about drinking beer all day is that, aside

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<v Speaker 1>from from really probably making you feel bloated um most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time, you're also going to be intoxicated most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. You're gonna take long naps, You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to vomit in the streets and uh, and generally you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to get that much done. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>some individuals have have a really you know, high work

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<v Speaker 1>rate when they're inebriated, but I think they're the exception

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<v Speaker 1>that proves the rule. And you have to remember to

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<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about the six We were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>societies in which you know that the seasons sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ruled them a lot more than than our modern technology

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<v Speaker 1>rules us right now. So there were periods of time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the winter, for instance, where there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do. There wasn't any farming to do, so

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<v Speaker 1>what would you do? Yeah, and at night you're limited

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<v Speaker 1>by how many candles or torches can you lie? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's the limitations were placed something

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<v Speaker 1>by their environment and by the seasons. So you would

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<v Speaker 1>pass the time perhaps drinking some meat, some good old meat,

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<v Speaker 1>and snoring a lot. And although you might have communed

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<v Speaker 1>at a tavern, you would still all be sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like, you know, half polluted in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>and half asleep. But the whole the coffee trade and

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee houses that began to spring up in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's something else I can drink all day and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and not necessarily get sick on. And it also

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<v Speaker 1>also has an influence on my my state of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, people are chatting and they're awake,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are, you know, talking about all these different

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and focus on them. They're focusing and they're from

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<v Speaker 1>all different socio economic backgrounds, so you're not just getting

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<v Speaker 1>one perspective here. And uh, this is what a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people credit for helping to usher in the age

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<v Speaker 1>of enlightenment. In fact, there is a book called Uncommon Grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>The History of Coffee and How It Transformed Our World

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<v Speaker 1>by Mark Pendergrass. He makes that claim as well as

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<v Speaker 1>author Stephen Johnson, who has a great ted talk about

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<v Speaker 1>creativity and cites coffee as being one of the fonts

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<v Speaker 1>of creativity and energy. Yeah. Now, of course one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things. Today you go into a coffee shop, like

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<v Speaker 1>I find this especially the case when I go into

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<v Speaker 1>your coffee shop, because we each have coffee shops, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fairly close to each other that are there our own turf.

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<v Speaker 1>I know better than to go to Julie's turf unless

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<v Speaker 1>I'm invited, because that's that's where she's working and then likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't show up on my turf. No, not even

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<v Speaker 1>when the power is out. The other week, I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get a Robert's coffee shop. Which places will

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<v Speaker 1>come out? But but when I go to your coffee shop,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mainly bring this one up because your coffee

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<v Speaker 1>shop cans have more people in it. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people just working with headphones and there's some

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<v Speaker 1>people collaborating. But it seems like, you know, within our

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<v Speaker 1>modern technological age, um, maybe we're less likely to do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, collaborating with people, uh in

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<v Speaker 1>these coffee shops. But then again, we're connected to people

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<v Speaker 1>outside of it. And I think if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 1>there are certain individuals you you chat with every day, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, by email and by g chat

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you. Um, you know, being a friend

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<v Speaker 1>or my wife, and I can often tell when they've

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<v Speaker 1>had their caffeine because that's when they're reaching out to

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<v Speaker 1>me with all of these ideas and cool stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>they're really excited about something and uh, and if our

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<v Speaker 1>caffeine levels match up, then we're able to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth. If not, I might be like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put you on ignore for a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm I'm trying to catch up on my edge.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, yeah, this happens. I think especially on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekends. I noticed this with my husband because I'll

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<v Speaker 1>drink a lot of caffeine. I'll but it isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we'll listen, they will get ike and people

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<v Speaker 1>time to you won't And he's like, whoa, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>in my first cup. So yes, we know it is powerful,

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<v Speaker 1>powerful stimulant um and it has had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>influence on the modern world. Let's talk about what is

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<v Speaker 1>in a cup of this stuff? Yeah, magic demons that

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<v Speaker 1>that course through your blood and chew on the creative

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<v Speaker 1>portions of your brain. Exactly. Yeah, just they just roost

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<v Speaker 1>right in there. Um Patrick, did you Stow writing for Wired?

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<v Speaker 1>In his article What's Inside a Cup of Coffee? Really

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<v Speaker 1>details exactly what's in there. And I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go through every single thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>in there, but we wanted to hit the big ones

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<v Speaker 1>because it's pretty fascinating. Um, here's the big dub one

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<v Speaker 1>water content. Turns out that point seven is water at

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<v Speaker 1>one point to five is soluble plant matter. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're mostly paying for for water for water, Yeah, caffeine

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<v Speaker 1>another element um But this is interesting, actually an alkaloid

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<v Speaker 1>plant toxin. It's found in other plants, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>meant to be a natural pesticide. Oh so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason it was developed or the reason it evolved in

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<v Speaker 1>these plants exactly. That's why caffeine is in there to say,

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<v Speaker 1>But to the bugs, hey I'm toxic. If you chew

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<v Speaker 1>on me, you will die. Now, what happens to the

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<v Speaker 1>human brain with that same sort of element we will

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<v Speaker 1>find out in a moment. It's also also worth pointing

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<v Speaker 1>out that it operates in the brain the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that amphetamines such as cocaine and heroin do. Yes, which

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<v Speaker 1>which is maybe a bit of a no brainer. But caffeine,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is a much milder stimulant than those drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Even even a lot of caffeine, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>get the same effect that you would get off of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody doing a much of heroin or coke, obviously, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But what else is on this list stuff in the

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<v Speaker 1>Wired article? Okay, we have to ethel phenol, and this

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<v Speaker 1>creates a tar like medicinal odor in your morning coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>There it's also this is awesome, a component of cockroach

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<v Speaker 1>along arm pheromones, chemical signals that warn the colony of danger.

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<v Speaker 1>The same chemical. Then there's also a clinic acid, and

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<v Speaker 1>this gives coffee it's slightly sour flavor. Uh, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>also one of the starter chemicals in the formulation of

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<v Speaker 1>tama flute. There is also something called a subtle methyl

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<v Speaker 1>carbonyl and according to the article, it's that rich buttery

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<v Speaker 1>taste in your daily jolt, which comes apart from this

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<v Speaker 1>flammable yellow liquid, the same liquid that gives real butter

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<v Speaker 1>its flavor and is a component of artificial flavoring and

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<v Speaker 1>microwave popcorn. And then we have left the best for last.

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<v Speaker 1>It's future scene, right, which sounds lovely. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>something you want in your daily cup. Yeah, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>organic chemical compound and it's related to cadavering, and both

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<v Speaker 1>are both are produced by the breakdown of amino acids

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<v Speaker 1>and living and dead organisms. So Digesto and his article

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<v Speaker 1>actually describes the smell as Satan's outhouse. And now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm why would Satan have an awful outhouse? I think

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on your interpretation. He might have a really

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<v Speaker 1>clean out well that because I think you your version

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<v Speaker 1>is a benevolent satan or you know, or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>like constantly crate cleaned by um, you know, by by

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<v Speaker 1>the suffering damned. I don't know. I can see that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that. Well, in that case, then they

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<v Speaker 1>might be that that might be a component of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm I'm hijacking the discussion with non scientific data here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully that the amount of future scene is just miniscules,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a scant levels that that wonderful outhouse smell.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna take a break, and when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we're going to talk a little more about

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<v Speaker 1>us specifically. The most one of the really exciting things

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<v Speaker 1>here is is how does coffee affect creativity? And you

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<v Speaker 1>might be surprised at some of what we have to

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<v Speaker 1>say about that. And yes, we will also talk about

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<v Speaker 1>coffee's ability to, shall we say, ramp up the digestive system.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. We're talking about coffee. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the effects that coffee has on the body and

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<v Speaker 1>on the mind. So, uh, let's get to it. What

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<v Speaker 1>what's next? Time the click. All right, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the chemical changes in our brain, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is what caffeine is doing. It is gaming the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh specifically, it is crossing over the blood brain barrier.

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<v Speaker 1>And now this is that the interface between the brain

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<v Speaker 1>and the body's circulatory system that is meant to take

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<v Speaker 1>to keep out all the bad chemicals. But caffeine can

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<v Speaker 1>cross into the brain and when it does, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>an impostor of sorts. Now when I say impostor, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that it is taking on the identity of something

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<v Speaker 1>called identazine. No. Identazine is this byproduct of um all

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<v Speaker 1>those neurons firing. It creates this substance in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And the build up of adentazine is actually monitored by

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<v Speaker 1>your nervous systems. Your nervous system says, oh, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of adentazine accumulated here. This is going to tip

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<v Speaker 1>off this whole reaction in our body that says that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to take a nap or go to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>or even wake up. Adenazine is part and parcel of

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<v Speaker 1>how we manage our body clock. And what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>that that caffeine sneaks in and it looks chemically similar

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<v Speaker 1>to adnazine. So it takes adentazine's place in the adenazine receptors.

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<v Speaker 1>It bonds to the receptors, and what happens is that

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<v Speaker 1>it blocks that adnazine from bonding with those receptors. And

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<v Speaker 1>now your body, your brain doesn't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have the sort of signals that it might

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<v Speaker 1>get from those receptors saying whoa, we need to slow

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<v Speaker 1>down the body. So that's how caffeine can bond with

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<v Speaker 1>those receptors and change your level of energy even when

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<v Speaker 1>you're you really should be tired. This is how you

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<v Speaker 1>get that that like the PM boost to finish studying

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<v Speaker 1>for the test the next day. Yeah, exactly, because you

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<v Speaker 1>are tricking your body into thinking that it's not tired. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Very sneaky, don't you think. Yeah, it is. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more, a lot more sneakiness involved than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>would initially think. Now, this also causes increased neuron firing

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot more just pup you going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the brain as the ideas fire around and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and you start making plans for the day, the book

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna write, the ikea trip, you're gonna make all

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<v Speaker 1>that that's right, because all of that increased neuron firing

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<v Speaker 1>is causing the petuitary to gland to sort of wake

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<v Speaker 1>up and go, wow, that's a lot of activity going

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<v Speaker 1>on there. There must be an emergency. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>adrenal glands get on, get in on the game, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course adournaline is produced, and your pupils dilate, your

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<v Speaker 1>heart rate increases, your your airways open up, among a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other things. But yeah, this is what gets

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<v Speaker 1>you into that one. Ideas have to come out of

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<v Speaker 1>my room right now. Yeah, so you got boosting energy,

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<v Speaker 1>decrease fatigue, and it enhances physical, cognitive, and motor performance.

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<v Speaker 1>It aids short term memory, problem solving, decision making, and concentration.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all great reasons to have a cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question is, is some of the psychological you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Paucebo effect exactly where I say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no good till I have my morning cup, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just by believing that I'm no good till I

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<v Speaker 1>have my morning cup. Yeah, I mean, we we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the power of the placebo. The placebo effect absolutely works. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever kind of quack uh you know um medicine, you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking your magic being you're swallowing. That's a whole another story.

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<v Speaker 1>But the polcebo effect the ability to believe in something's

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<v Speaker 1>positive or negative effect in the in in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's all no sebo thing to discuss um

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<v Speaker 1>that actually works, So just believing that it does something

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<v Speaker 1>can in certain cases have an effect you believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>So for instance, your heart rate, yes, it does increase.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you know that caffeine and coffee will help

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<v Speaker 1>you to better focus, are you more predisposed to really

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<v Speaker 1>engage in being focused? Um? So. There is a two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven study at the University of East London where

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<v Speaker 1>a group of psychologists examine the effects of caffeine on

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<v Speaker 1>problem solving and emotional responses. And in a double blind study,

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<v Speaker 1>eight habitual coffee drinkers were given cups of caffeinated and

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<v Speaker 1>decaffinated coffees at random. So subjects who received caffeine but

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<v Speaker 1>they were told that they were drinking decaf did not

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<v Speaker 1>show an improved reaction time in the task that they

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<v Speaker 1>gave that the research group gave them, and likewise in

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<v Speaker 1>a measure of reward motivation and something called the card

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<v Speaker 1>arranging reward responsivity objectivity test another way of measuring this.

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<v Speaker 1>The participants who believe they had consumed coffee sorted the

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<v Speaker 1>cards more quickly than those who believe that they consumed decaf,

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<v Speaker 1>So no doubt there is in part a psychological component

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee. Yeah, and I guess it. You know, really

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<v Speaker 1>there has to be in anything you take. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think you were you. You spoke recently about

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<v Speaker 1>having an ice cream that was Chardonnay flavored. If I

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<v Speaker 1>remember pair popsicle, right, and let's be honest, there was

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<v Speaker 1>probably very small amount of alcohol, if any really, and

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<v Speaker 1>I could taste it, I'm telling well, yeah, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we should tell everybody I don't drink. So when I had,

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<v Speaker 1>when the reasoning hit my tongue, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it brought back memories of having had reesling.

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<v Speaker 1>And after I finished that popsicle and I finished every

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<v Speaker 1>drop of it, um, I did feel a little bit loopy.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I wondered, yea, what extent is that the

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<v Speaker 1>poucebo effect? YEA, to what extent is it just your

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<v Speaker 1>mind saying, oh this this tastes like reasoning, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>this is the reasoning effect. I feel, I feel lighter,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel a little a little happier, and maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't drive a tractor exactly. Yeah, And I didn't drive

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<v Speaker 1>a tractor that day. Good, But it was on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're right, I was sort of primed, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the beach, and I was like, not a

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<v Speaker 1>care in the world. So yeah, the recling effect. So

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, there just have been a raft of

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<v Speaker 1>studies that extol the virtues of coffee, um, from the

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<v Speaker 1>nutrient and antioxidant content to the idea that it could

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<v Speaker 1>lower the risk of type two diabetes, some types of cancers. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was even one study that had a

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent increase in longevity. So we could spend hours

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<v Speaker 1>and hours on that, but I thought it we might

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<v Speaker 1>make a little bit more sense if we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the real pronounced effects of coffee. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about coffee in dementia, because animal experiments show that

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<v Speaker 1>caffeine may reshape the biochemical environment side our brains in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that could actually stave off dementia. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a very big concern as we age, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>dementia seems to be one of those um illnesses that

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<v Speaker 1>seem to become more and more prevalent in our society. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the two big trolls under the bridge when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to aging and then I going to is

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<v Speaker 1>my body going to fail? Is my mind going to fail?

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Or both trolls going to jump out and get me

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<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly. So, there's a experiment at the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois at Urbana Champagne and mice were briefly starved of oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>causing them to lose the ability to form memories. Half

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<v Speaker 1>of the mice received a dose of caffeine that was

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent to several cups of coffee. So that's on par

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<v Speaker 1>with what we would consume, right, and then after they

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<v Speaker 1>were reoxygenated, the caffeinated mice regained their ability to form

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<v Speaker 1>new memories faster than the uncafeated And these were these

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<v Speaker 1>were again coffee for mice, right like tiny little cups,

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<v Speaker 1>not like and little cafe tables. UM. So close examination

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<v Speaker 1>of the the animals brain dies, you showed that the caffeine

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<v Speaker 1>disrupted the action of a tendency which we talked about. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be destructive, it turns out if it leaks

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<v Speaker 1>out when the cells are injured or under stress. This

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<v Speaker 1>is something that we've seen in dementia. So the escaped

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<v Speaker 1>adnazine can jump sir, a biochemical cascade leading to inflammation,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can disrupt the function of neurons and the

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<v Speaker 1>neuronal connections right and contribute to neurodegeneration. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about dementia here, and we're talking about again that caffeine

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<v Speaker 1>binding to those adnazine receptors in stopping that in potentially dementia.

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<v Speaker 1>So in a set of humans, researchers from the University

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<v Speaker 1>of South Florida and the University of Miami tested the

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<v Speaker 1>blood levels of caffeine and older adults with mild cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>impairment or perhaps even the first glimmer of some serious forgetfulness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is usually a precursor of Alzheimer's, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>re evaluated reevaluated them two to four years later. So,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, what it was with the big deal with

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<v Speaker 1>all this, the participants with little or no caffeine circulating

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<v Speaker 1>their blood streams were far more likely to have progressed

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<v Speaker 1>to full blown Alzheimer's rather than those who blood indicated

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<v Speaker 1>that they had about three cups worth of coffee a day,

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<v Speaker 1>so in a sense that the use of coffee was

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<v Speaker 1>able to slow down the study approach of dementia and

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<v Speaker 1>or Alzheimer's. Yeah, so, I mean that's that's a great thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, there's a whole raft of studies

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll talk about the benefits of coffee, but these

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<v Speaker 1>are a couple of things that are very promising. And

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<v Speaker 1>I still feel though that coffee is emerging from its

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<v Speaker 1>shadow self. And that's really the studies that came out

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<v Speaker 1>in the early seventies and the eighties saying, oh, coffee

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<v Speaker 1>is awful. And the reason for this is because those

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<v Speaker 1>studies in the seventies, uh, they were talking. They were

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.360
<v Speaker 1>looking at people who were both smoking and consuming coffee,

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and at that time they didn't realize the implications of

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 1>smoking as much as we do now. And the coffee

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and cigarettes went together great there. It's like PB and

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 1>J coffee and cigarettes. So they didn't take out those

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>participants who were smokers, and that definitely skewed some of

0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the results of the studies that they were looking at.

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>And edition they had the one very famous study in

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 1>which rats were giving something like a crazy amount of

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:10.680
<v Speaker 1>milligrams of caffeine, which caused their offspring to have birth defects. Well,

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the problem with that is that the amount of caffeine

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>they were given was not nearly on par with what

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>we consume as adults, or certainly like we're talking about them,

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>we're having the equivalent of so many cups exactly other experiment.

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>In this experiment, the rats were having, uh, the equivalent

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of many, many, many many cups. Like just now toxic

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 1>level talked to the amount of caffeine. So they went back,

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>actually and they redid the study with the appropriate amount

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>of caffeine, and they found that their offspring were completely fine.

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted to mention that because I still

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like coffee has that a bit of that around it.

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Not to say that coffee can't be bad for you

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 1>if consumed in massive quantities, because it can be. Well,

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I feel like coffee and red wine are both substances

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that so many studies are done on their about their effects,

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 1>uh and you know, doing large part because they are

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.200
<v Speaker 1>both consumed in such large quantities. And then when with

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>red wine you have the you know, the verious antioxidants

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 1>that that's sort of up the game for in your

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>research related to them. You kind of get blinders after

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>a while. You if you hear enough studies about why

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you shoul drink coffee and why it's okay to drink

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>quite red wine, you just sort of, you know, check

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it off in your mind where it's like, Okay, these

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>are good, I'll just keep doing these. But what happens

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>when you drink too much coffee, Well, you certainly become

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 1>addicted to it. Now, some people get caffeine headaches if

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>they have too much coffee. I've never suffered from this. Yeah, yeah, apparently,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>And this is according to the American Psychiatric Association's UH

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The Bible um Psychology,

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>some people can experience caffeine intoxication symptoms including restlessness, nervousness, excitement, zomnia,

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 1>flesh face, and gastro intestinal complaints. Well, to me, that's

0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of a noda, right, and specifically because of the

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 1>coffee monk that we recently saw. Oh yes, what did

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>that coffee monks today? Julie? I think that it just

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a brown coffee mug. And I think it said

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>coffee makes me poop. Yes, And this is the true

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>statement it's backed up by scientific research because, uh, there's

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a nineties study titled Effect of Coffee on distal Colon function,

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and the results suggests that drinking coffee can stimulate a

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>motor response of the distal colon in some normal people. So, um,

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.479
<v Speaker 1>I think most people can attest to this. And uh

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and actually a stand up comedian, Hannibal Burris had a

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>great bit about this in his act. He was talking

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>about how he started, um, he you know, stantic me,

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and then he gets a job riding for thirty Rock

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 1>and he'd never consume coffee before. And then he starts

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>drinking coffe because he's there in the office all the

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>other writers are drinking and he starts drinking it. And

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>then he's he's like freaking out. He's like, nobody told

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>me about all the pooping that was going to happen.

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>That suddenly I drink the coffee and I have to

0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>run to the toilet. Um. And it's think most people

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>can at test that, Yes, you drink some coffee, and

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it can it can really jump start the system. Your

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>mind gets excited, but so do the do other parts

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>of the anatomy. And uh, so you've got to run

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>for shelter. Well, and it's a diuretic, right, so you

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 1>also have to urinate a lot more. In fact, another

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty Rock thread here, I don't know if you've read

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Bossy Pants. Yes, do you recall in the part that

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>said that that Tina fe is talking about being a

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>writer in the culture of writing comedy for TV that

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>she noticed that a lot of her male co workers

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>had jars Oh yeah, you're in in their office, which

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>ended up inspiring a little bit at one point in

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the show where one of the writers, Frank has the

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>sun tea and the urine on the test. Well, I know,

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm I feel like it's a it's a it's a

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>net benefit. It's net net actually, uh if not net

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>net net for me because I drink a lot of

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>coffee when I'm in the workplace or working, and even

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>in a coffee shop of course, and so I end

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>up having to urinate a lot. So that means I'm

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting out of my seat a lot, I'm walking around,

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>so I'm getting extra exercise. Uh. So that's at least

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>two nets. I don't know what the third one is.

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>So I guess what you're saying is that if we

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't have an open office concept here at work, and

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we had walls that you might have jars in your office.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think I would do that,

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but I certainly think we have some coworkers who might

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>do it. Absolutely. Yeah. All right, um, so what else

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>about caffeine and coffee can we say? Well? The creativity

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>element I thought was particularly interesting, And this comes in

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>large part from a recent New Yorker article titled how

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Caffeine short circuits creativity, And it's it's really really interesting.

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>The idea puts this article looks forward because we generally

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>come to accept this idea that coffee is good for creativity.

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>We talked about the you know, the idea that when

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>we stopped drinking beer and we started drinking coffee, then

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>suddenly all this creativity is bounding about and things are

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>getting done with the culture we're talking about. You'd have

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.239
<v Speaker 1>that cup of coffee and suddenly you have ideas for

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the day about what's going to happen. Um. And we've

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>discussed the things that it does, you know, increase youral firing,

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>increased focus. But is this the article points out one

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of the real one of the hallmarks of creativity is

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of course, to have a wandering, unfocused mind. To take

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>this concept and pair it with this one, to be

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>able to stare out the window and think, think, you know,

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>what have what have? What have dinosaurs had for? Or

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>what if a pirate had a loose sight leg and

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>used it as an aquarium. Yes, it's exactly so we

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>we have all these random ideas that might pop up.

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>And this is a lot of what it is to

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>be creative. But if you were caffeinated to the gills

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're you're focused on one task, then you're focused

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>on one task and you're not gonna have all these

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>random inspirations that are coming to you. Yeah, this novel

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>association sens that happen when we daydream. And I recall

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that we did an episode in which we saw a

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>study in which, uh, something like our waking hours are

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to daydreaming. So that obviously helps us tease out

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems and comment things in a different

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>angle and be extremely creative because again we're making those

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>novel associations. But if you are caffeinated all day long,

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>then the writer of this article, Maria Kunakova, says, hey,

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you could be actually stripping yourself of creativity. Yeah, and

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have that mind wander time. Not, your mind's not wandering.

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>And it can also have an effect on sleep, and

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>studies have shown that that sleep is important for creative thinking.

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Two thousand nine study in fact, show that people who

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>experienced REM sleep performed better on two tests of creative

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking than those who simply rested or napped without entering

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the REM cycle. So I found this. Of course, this

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.239
<v Speaker 1>made me sort of think a lot about my own

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>creative processes, in my own consumption of daffine. I had

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that that sort of panic moment where I was like,

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>oh goodness, maybe I've got to stop drinking coffee if

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna interfer with my creativity. But I think what

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the difference here is, And maybe you know, it's gonna

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>vary with each individual mind, But I feel like I

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely have the type of mind that can make those

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>those connections, Like I can you know, wonder about a

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>pirate with a loose sight leg or a hairy dinosaur.

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>But then but it's one thing anybody can sent around

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and just dream off a whole bunch of crazy stuff.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>But but can you then focus on it and do

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 1>something with it. So I feel like that's where I

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>need the caffeine. It's it's one thing for me to think,

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>what have I blogged about the possible science behind this,

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>like weird worm monster I read about, You know, it's

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>one thing to think about that, but I need the

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>coffee to focus on it and to actually do it.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>So your natural state is to mind flander. Yeah, I

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>think if I think caffeine, I'm not. You know, I

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to give caffeine too much credit because it's

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>not like if I quit drinking coffee, I would just

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>be a complete disaster. I mean I would because for

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, because I'd get a headache that would

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>make me want to curse God and die. But beyond that,

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying it's vital to my existence, but

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like it helps me focus on realizing

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>some of the ideas that I get with my wandering mind. Well,

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I put this idea um in front of Holly Fry

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>of history stuff, and Holly Fry, if you guys don't know,

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>she's extremely creative and she is doing things at all

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>hours of creativity like she's just I mean, she's stitching

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>together things, she's making I don't know, thumb cozies. If

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>she has two minutes, you know, to spare a thumb cozy,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>just all of a sudden poof, it's there. Um, she's

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>extremely productive, and so she drinks a ton of coffee,

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and so I put this idea forward to her, and

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>then she looked at me, like, what are you talking about? Like,

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I drink coffee at eleven o'clock at night helps me

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to continue with all the projects that I have buzzing

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>around in my mind. And then I looked at her fitbit,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>this bracelet that tracks her sleep and in all the

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>steps that she takes a cyborg, she's cyborg in addition

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to all this, and I noticed that she had made

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>um this rhymestone sleeve for it, because the fitbit itself

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't pretty enough, and the fit that is sitting there

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>sparkling underneath the rhyme stones. And I thought, no, I

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think that caffeine is taking away from her creativity. Yeah, well,

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it ultimately that the the message from this

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>study maybe that it's going to vary with the individual,

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and that you should maybe consider not drinking coffee all

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the time. You try to try see what it's like

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 1>without it, it's it's kind of like in the same

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>way that coffee has has some similarities to other um,

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 1>psychoactive chemicals and and and drugs and things that alter

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>our perception of reality or interface with reality. It's sometimes

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>good to treat them, or often I guess you could

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>say it's generally good to see those things as like

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>a telescope or a microscope, something that adds new perspective

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to life. But isn't the only way that you interact

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>with it or glimpse it, right, And you have to

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>remember to you that coffee is going to increase your

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>performance and thinks and sort of like wrote things that

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you do over and over again. It's not necessarily going

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to make you master a new skill. Um. It might

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>give you a little bit more energy for that skill,

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean that you're going to become the

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>conqueror of that UM. So it was really good for

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>for bringing everything together, as you say, to a point, UM,

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I should add there's another thing that I do that

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I have found that coffee is not good for me,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and that is sometimes to relax. I enjoy painting miniatures,

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and I've found that if I do it while drinking

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>coffee or right after I drink coffee. I'm just my

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 1>my my hands are too unsteady. I don't have really

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>steady hands anyway. And if I have the coffee, then

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's not good. Well see And and that

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 1>ought to be a zen like activity anyway, right where

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to be in the coffee realm exactly

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>because you're just doing the one thing. Um. I would

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>be very interested to hear from people about how coffee

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>affects them. Is I feel like some people are really

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>sensitive to caffeine while others can just you know, drink

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it by the gallons. Yeah, And I've known people like

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>my my friend Becky uh once claimed that she had

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<v Speaker 1>some espresso chocolate at night and was up all night afterwards. See.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know as some of the psychosomatic or

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<v Speaker 1>is that really like, is your system that sensitive? I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that some people really are that sensitive to it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, on that note, let's call over the

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<v Speaker 1>robot and see what kind of listener mail we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe this one is another one has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the sensory deprivation tanks. We've received a lot of cool

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<v Speaker 1>comments on this episode so far these episodes. By the way, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>just a little tip if you are going to go

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<v Speaker 1>into a sensory deprivation tank, do not drink caffeine beforehand. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a good idea. Yeah, for a few different reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>So this one comes to us from Seth. Seth writes,

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<v Speaker 1>since says Hi, Julian Robert, I recently finished it your

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<v Speaker 1>episode on sensory deprivation tanks and wanted to write in

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<v Speaker 1>with my story. During my sen year at year at college,

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<v Speaker 1>I UH interned at a neurofeedback clinic specializing in a

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<v Speaker 1>d h D behavior modification therapy. One of the benefits

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<v Speaker 1>of working at the clinic was the on site sensory

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<v Speaker 1>deprivation chamber that we call the float tank. I got

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<v Speaker 1>in the float tank as much as I could during

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<v Speaker 1>that year, somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty to sixty times.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fascinating. Um my experience with it was quite positive.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I got in, I was nervous and

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<v Speaker 1>did not really relax or have any experiences. Apparently this

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<v Speaker 1>was normal. However, each subsequent visit resulted in more intense

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<v Speaker 1>experiences and increased time spent in the tank. I've tried

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<v Speaker 1>to describe my experiences to others and have always fallen short.

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<v Speaker 1>The closest that I come can come to describe it

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<v Speaker 1>is that it feels like deep meditation with the benefits

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<v Speaker 1>of a power cat nap. I would emerge from the

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<v Speaker 1>float tank after an hour and feel as if I

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<v Speaker 1>had slept for three or four hours. I never had

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<v Speaker 1>out of body experiences, but I did feel an overwhelming

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<v Speaker 1>sense of calm and understanding. As a side note, the

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<v Speaker 1>chief clinician at the clinic would sleep for only five

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day, and he would do so in the

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<v Speaker 1>float tank. He stated that he felt yes, he stated

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<v Speaker 1>that he felt as if he had slept twelve hours afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>So some advice on your future visits or visits to

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<v Speaker 1>the float tank. Visited several times to get a good

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<v Speaker 1>real sense of it. Anxiety about it is normal as

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<v Speaker 1>it is abnormal constructed is it is an abnormal constructed experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is not found in nature that we evolved in.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is very enlightening. Thank you for the awesome show.

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<v Speaker 1>Seth Wow. Five hours in the tank. That was that

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<v Speaker 1>was really impressive. Whenever at that because I'm also trying

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<v Speaker 1>to picture this dude, he only sleeps in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a sensory deprivation tank and only does so like five

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<v Speaker 1>to six hours a night. Been going to put this

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<v Speaker 1>out there that he must not have a close significant

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<v Speaker 1>other unless well maybe maybe they sleep together, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they exist solely in the astral plane. That's how beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's beautiful. But well, I can see now know why

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<v Speaker 1>those five hours would would bear out something that felt

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve hours, because it is the most relaxing thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've ever done in my life. So I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine sleeping through the evening in one of those cool

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Steth, Well, thanks for right man. Uh for

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