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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Horrible Decision. I am Horrible Decisions.

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Speaker 1: Look how nervous I am? Without Mandy for I am

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Speaker 1: for all start what a shocker? UM. As Valentine's Month,

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Speaker 1: about three years? Three years. No. April was our first date.

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Speaker 1: their mouth on it. Yeah. Um, so Grinder obviously. God, wait,

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Speaker 1: redo their apartment, house, life, hair and honey slide. So queen, Okay,

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Speaker 1: which would have surprised me earlier on. I think because

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00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: before Shane, like I didn't really bottom hardly at all,

424
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: or topping is being the person that is doing the

425
00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: fucking and bottom. So wait, you weren't bottoming before? I

426
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: must have like once he's like, as, I don't want

427
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: to lie, I don't want to lie, um but rarely, rarely, rarely. Um,

428
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: and he was not like you were Yeah no, I

429
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: think it took you like months, it was training wheels.

430
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: Now I want to say, like, I appreciate gay men

431
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: and their struggles so much with sex because not only

432
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: is our community small, but I'm sorry, I'm not in

433
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: the gate if he set him, you are, I'm a

434
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: drag queen. Look so not only is this community small,

435
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: but then you meet someone you like and then there's

436
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: a chance that they might be a top two well,

437
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: and that honestly like fuck that because like even I

438
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: was talking to our friends like I don't say his name,

439
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: but like I was talking to him yesterday, like we

440
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: watched Drags together a week and he was saying to me, like,

441
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't generally like to top or sorry,

442
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't generally like to bottom, but like this guy

443
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: a small day. And I was like whatever, but I'm like, dude,

444
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: like you're missing out, Like and I was telling like,

445
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: so when you like how I got Marcus to be

446
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: like a bottom? Are you a power bottom? Now? Kind

447
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: of make it kind of um, but like it really

448
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: takes like you have to stimulate the prostate, Like so

449
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: how when I when women want to know this too

450
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: for pegging and the first time this is my best friends,

451
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: two of my best friends. I kid you not when

452
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: I taught them how to Like it's literally so guys

453
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: laying on his back and you insert your finger, your

454
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: pointer finger into his anus and when it's all the

455
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: way to like the knuckle, you just come hither, like

456
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: come hither, like look at this, guys, we're in the

457
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: camera and now come hither another that that at the

458
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: point is when you're hitting the prostate and it's wild.

459
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: Hold on finger in knuckle pull like this like come hither,

460
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and that you're you're hitting the prostate. So

461
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: you know what, this is great And you'll see a

462
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys will say they'll take a finger, but

463
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: they're scared for like two fingers. So that's all it

464
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: takes for a woman, like one finger. So two of

465
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: my best friends I we have dinner every week together,

466
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: like we do like a family. We call a family dinner.

467
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: And I was just telling them this, like this is

468
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: like the magical trick, like just try it on your

469
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: husband's like honestly, try it. Two of them got pregnant,

470
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Like I kild you not two of my like god

471
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: kids literally played with because of fingers and as ye,

472
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: little Kelly, and they got pregnant a month apart. Now

473
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: did the friends that you have, um, was it the

474
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: prostate leading to pegging as well or just fingers? No? No,

475
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: just fingers. And both boys were like, and I tease

476
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: them about it because like I'm tight with their husbands too,

477
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: and like I'm just like guys, like, let's be real

478
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: about who got you pregnant? Now I want to know,

479
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: like so with um, okay, I'm sorry. So you bottomed

480
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: for Shane and how is your sex going in the

481
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: beginning before you, guys, I love getting fucked like, don't

482
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: get me wrong, like I'm and he has a great day.

483
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: So yourse, yeah, and first means that you will top

484
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: and bottom. So wait, so you topped him first? Did I? Yes?

485
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: He said, it's so nervous and like, you can't be

486
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: nervous and bottom, Like you can't. You have to trust

487
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: the person like you not even you have to trust

488
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: the process. So we we've talked about one episode fourteen

489
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: with Vinny and a lot of you guys have Benny

490
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: talked about poppers and I just want to talk about

491
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: poppers again. So it's leather cleaner or what is poppers?

492
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't honestly, I've you. I'm sure you've never used them, haven't.

493
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: I had sex with one guy like in the beginning

494
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: of my gay days who used poppers and was just

495
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: like fucked up, Like, I'm sure they use and abuse it,

496
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: but it's meant to you sniff it. It's this bottle

497
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: of whatever it is some chemical, yeah, some chemical and

498
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: you sniff it. I haven't done it before. I think

499
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: in a dance alord a few gay clubs, and it

500
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: gives you a head rush. But it's supposed to loosen

501
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: up your asshole and um, I actually couldn't handle it. It

502
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: It got too wavy. I didn't enjoy that feeling. But

503
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: um so instead of using poppers, you're talking about the

504
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: finger things like that just relax the person. What kind

505
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: of lubes like any like water based like silicone? Yeah,

506
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: generally like a thicker. Um. I think my kays use

507
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: that army thing. What is it called? Uh, I don't know,

508
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: like gun oil, gun oil. So well, I also say,

509
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: like the sexiest sex that you can have is like

510
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: if f Well, yeah, I feel like like you eat

511
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: by the way straight men that girls in the ass,

512
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: you know when like the pussy is that when you're

513
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: eating your ass and you just use fit it's great.

514
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: So I'm sure we all feel the same, right, but

515
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: like you have to be aware of like what's there,

516
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: like how much like you can like and the bottom

517
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: like be aware of what the bottom is feeling. And

518
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: I want to also talk about this because I feel

519
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: like even straight men that are in straight women that

520
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: want to have anial sex with their partner don't know

521
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: what the fund to do. So a lot of spit

522
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: like it's loosening, like comfortable. It's about comfort, Like it's

523
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: about being comfortable because that's what's going to loosen. And

524
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: when you say loosen, it's not like loose, like it's

525
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: fucking relaxed, relaxed. Have you ever got your dick hurt

526
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: either of you from dating before, like someone just like

527
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: too tight? No, no, no, I've heard that, but I

528
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: feel like if someone's too tight, you're hurting them, like

529
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: you're in the wrong. If someone's too tight, now that

530
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: how long did it take for you to go all

531
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: the way in for you? Like, honestly, we probably didn't,

532
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: like I probably didn't suck him proper until probably four

533
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: or five months in. That sounds right, Yeah, yeah, okay,

534
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But it's still enjoyable, like you could

535
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: still feel it and enjoy it. I get it. What's

536
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: your favorite position? My favorite is doggy, but like it's

537
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: that took, like that's been a reason it still takes

538
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: me a while, like three three years in dail, Yeah,

539
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: I actually prefer like when I'm pegging at least, like

540
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: I love laying someone down on their back and jerking

541
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: them off and like missionary, what do I like? I

542
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: like when you're on your back and I'm on top

543
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: of He likes right, yeah, ok yeah, because you get

544
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: on your feet. Uh I have That's what you get

545
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: on your feet? That's like okay, So what is a

546
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: power bottom? A power bottom? Like take it anyway, anywhere, anytime,

547
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: any And I feel like they instigate the movement too,

548
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: like as opposed to the top, Like okay, so up

549
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: with someone on Sunday. Oh wait, wait, wait, let's funk

550
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: the bottom on top? What are you guys? Are you

551
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: guys monogamous? Now? Dan Savage shout out to Dan Savage,

552
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about monogamous. Wait quote quote Savage? Did you

553
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: save it? Yeah? Yeah, so Dan Savage, by the way,

554
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: it is a gay podcaster who has coined the term monogamist,

555
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: which means what so monogamous is like you are together

556
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: and like you explore together, Like that's my understanding of it.

557
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of people, I think they don't even

558
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: know it. They're like, hey, I don't want an open

559
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: relationship but like we can have three sons together exactly,

560
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and you guys are monogamish. So when did you realize

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: you wanted to do this? How did it get comfortable?

562
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: It's not like that though, it was like the resort. No, no, no,

563
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: So he just like I fucked a Dominican guy. But like,

564
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: so the beginning of our relationship market like we're both

565
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: from the Midwest, and I've had a lot more like

566
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm five years older than Marcus, so I'm twenty nine,

567
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: he's twenty four, and I've had a lot more like

568
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: relationship experience and like fucked up relationships frankly, then Marcus

569
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: has had and through that, like I have a my

570
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses are a little bit gone, and what

571
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: relationships mean. Like this, Marcus, we will be together, like

572
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: I believe we'll be together for the long haul. But

573
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: like in the beginning, he would tell me, like this

574
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: is like it's just us, it's just lah, Like no,

575
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: there was no openness at all. Yeah, well, I never

576
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: went through anything that was sucked up like I still

577
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: to this day, I've never broken up with any one

578
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: because it's always I'm moving or someone else's moving. So

579
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: I've never even had a relationship like Joe sour in

580
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: any real way. Now, when you said that you you

581
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: wanted to do is that because you had a jealousy

582
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: or you were that in love that you don't want

583
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: anyone to have them? How do you then feel like

584
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: now you can be monogamish. Did you have to get them?

585
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: I think it's no. I think also, you know when

586
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: you get together with someone new, like you with this

587
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: like model girl, like you're like, oh my god, You're

588
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: like I could fund this girl all the time. Let

589
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: me tell you, this girl is like I it got

590
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: introduced to her through a friend, and I am just

591
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: like wow, it's so jarring that sexual tensition, Like I

592
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: am very very surprised. And yeah, but then you look

593
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: two years down the line and it's like you may

594
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: love that person and of course this I'm just speaking

595
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: this situation, like this feeling you're having right now, but

596
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: like imagine this feeling twoyears down the line and like

597
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: that perfection. It's not like that goes away necessarily, but

598
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: like you're like I could suck this person walking down

599
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the street right, Yes, I get that because you you

600
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: love each other that much, and that's how I feel

601
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: like you love each other that much, but they're also

602
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: good looking people in the world. Makes your relationship sexy?

603
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Can you talk about your sexiest three thing you've ever

604
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: had or like a moment where it wasn't maybe on

605
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: grinder her planned and you just met someone and it

606
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: fucking got hot. So wait, can I take you down?

607
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: I'll take you down the line? Yes. So we had

608
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: the conversation in Puttakana and so it was just kind

609
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: of a sexy idea for a while, which like also

610
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: just ignites you know, sexy, like fantasizing about it, talking

611
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: about it in bed and maybe like okay, and like

612
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: that opened the door, right, And it took probably another

613
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: six months before we actually hooked up with someone, not

614
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: for lack of trying. We definitely like invited someone to

615
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: a concert and likely wait, what was the show? Was

616
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: it a Bob? It was Bob Dylan? Well because I

617
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: had ticket, so I was like, yeah, suck it, like

618
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: and like open bar, like it was like a fun show,

619
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: like it was someone in their asshole to Bob Dylan,

620
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: we're really like wasted, like we're really attracted. Want to come? Huh?

621
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: He was like I gotta go. Yeah, and as he's

622
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: taking off in the cab, were like, I think he

623
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: likes us. This could be something so fast forward, Like

624
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: we find like a few people on grinder, Like our

625
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: first one was like this really sweaty, long haired guy

626
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: who looked really cute in his picture, but like we

627
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: had sex with him and it was like really exciting.

628
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: The lead up was like so nerve wracking, and like

629
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: he came over, We're like, did you tell him you

630
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: he was your first? I don't think I did. There

631
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: was can I just say Shane takes face like I

632
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: don't care, and I think this is, by the way,

633
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: something that's so interesting. So people listen, they're like, how

634
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: do I have a threesome. I'm gonna just keep a

635
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: full disclosure with gay men, ladies, you know how we

636
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: feel like men can suck us and not care. Can

637
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: you just imagine a bunch of guys just like when yeah,

638
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not emotional about this, I get it. So

639
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: he comes over, it happens, and and he was so sweaty.

640
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that's all that day. Like so in three stems

641
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: with you guys, what role do you take? I don't know, Like, well,

642
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: for that particular situation, I remember it was like, it's

643
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: not memorable, like that wasn't a lot of our first

644
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: ones aren't memorable. But I do remember like afterwards just

645
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: being like, how do you feel? Like the first time,

646
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you feel like? I was

647
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: so nervous like how he would feel after it, and

648
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: we were both just like I feel good, Like do

649
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: you feel good? I feel like this is this is

650
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: fun And it was like the sex that we had,

651
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: like afterwards, that's that's what made it worth it. Have

652
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: you ever said I love you to each other while

653
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: you're sucking someone else? Oh my god, Yeah, that's not rude,

654
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: Like that's why they're there. I used to take this

655
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: basketball player and we fucked a girl I knew, and

656
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: while he was sucking her, I was looking in his eyes.

657
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: He was looking in my eyes, and I was like,

658
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was the first time I said I

659
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: love you to him. And I don't even know if

660
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: he remembers that was the first time. But I was

661
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: so connected to him because I knew that we were

662
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: enjoying this person and I didn't feel anything jealous. I was, yeah,

663
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: loved watching them together. I didn't feel like this person

664
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: is going to take them from me. It was just

665
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: a great feeling. So do you normally host at your place? Yeah?

666
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I think it's like just due to laziness over anything, right,

667
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: Like they they go, we're still at home? Do you

668
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: have a Yeah, yeah we do. But also it's we

669
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: have our own place, do you know what I mean?

670
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Like we don't have to worry about like roommates. Yeah,

671
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: we live, we have our apartment. Do you think that

672
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: as far as the reason goes, do you find that

673
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: going online works for you? Do you find that like

674
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: going out is better? Like, honestly, we've hooked up with

675
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: mostly people the successful, like the real like the repeats

676
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: and we've had repeats have been people that I've dated before.

677
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love a good Shane ex boyfriend and

678
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: they're not ex boyfriends. Let me like just like I've

679
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: been on like days of them, are like hooked up

680
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: with them and like just have their numbers. I hate

681
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: to get too deep, but have you ever had a

682
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: threesome where you felt weird about it being that you

683
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: were just the one? I only just don't good question.

684
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: You've been around the block a little bit more and

685
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: so you probably feel like it's not a big deal,

686
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: but you might have you ever, like I think even

687
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of one once or twice. I think

688
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: for the most part, no, because usually it's people who

689
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: are bottoms who he can funk a lot harder than

690
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: he can fuck me, you know, so like he's getting

691
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: something that I can't give him right now anyways, and

692
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I get to watch it and it's hot, but I

693
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about Yeah, but like if it

694
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: was me, I'd be like, oh my Jesus, like this

695
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: needs to stop. So for that reason, like generally I'm

696
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: cool with it um And also like I don't top

697
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: a lot, so I always get nervous if it's someone

698
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm really into that I'm just gonna come immediately because

699
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: I just don't funk very many people. I don't tap

700
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: very many people. Like if I come too fast, she's

701
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna hate me. So well No, So the thing is,

702
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: it's only people who I'm really attracted to that ill

703
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: that I'll fuck. But if it's someone i'm really into,

704
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: I like I just won't suck them. Why because I know,

705
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: like I'll come immediately because I don't talk very often.

706
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a guy that you've thought about

707
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: bringing into relationship. I can't say his name, okay, Okay,

708
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: so I'll leave it. You're good. So no, literally, like

709
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: this is a guy, Like we were at a point

710
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: where like Grinder was just kind of like block, like

711
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: the guy. The first few threesomes we had were like fine,

712
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: like talking about like obviously fun and hot and like

713
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: gave us like our fuel for a while, but like, yeah,

714
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: they were good for us, but like the sex itself

715
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: with those people was like kind of whatever. So that's

716
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: another funny thing too, because I've had threesomes where I

717
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: don't know if the sex with that girl was that

718
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: great with the guy I was with, but yeah, exactly then,

719
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and it's just sexy and like, okay, so do you

720
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: find that most gay couples I do are monogamoush And

721
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: why why does it seem like that? Well, so we

722
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know why are gay gays more open to opening

723
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: their relationships because you're a tract to the same person

724
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: the same body, right right, so good? But also like

725
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: because the woman would have to be by two Okay,

726
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: there's no like obviously, like marriage is legal now, but

727
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: we fought so hard for that, and like I was

728
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: engaged twice, but like, looking back on it, it it was

729
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: all like it was mostly bullshit. Like it was like

730
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: the first time was like before anything was legal, and

731
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: it was like it felt like a political thing. I

732
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: was sacking eighteen like it meant nothing. Like honestly, I

733
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: can say like now like that was nothing, Like I

734
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: didn't know what marriage man, I didn't like. I just

735
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: was like I can't do this, like we're going to

736
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: say we're engaged, you know. And then the second time

737
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: was like kind of the same thing, like it was

738
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: in Iowa and it had just been legalized and I

739
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: was dating this guy and I was like, this will

740
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: be great, and like Iowa wasn't How hard is it

741
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: to be gay in the Midwest? For honestly, for me,

742
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: it was like pretty okay, um, but like you you're

743
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: gay and Asian, Oh it's a whole thing. Talked about

744
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: your family? What what wait? Wait what kind of Asian Taiwanese?

745
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Holy shit? Yeah, like his parents are both so he's

746
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: like first generation. So I asked you guys in the

747
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: lobby if you ever had any awkward moments like being

748
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: gay together somewhere out there, and you both said not really,

749
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: but then you mentioned a wedding in Asian culture, what's

750
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: it like being gay? So this wedding, it was my

751
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: older brother's wedding. He's older than me, younger than Shane. Um,

752
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: it's like high school, sweetheart, he went to the school

753
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: you're supposed to You got the degree he was supposed

754
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: to do. You got the job he's supposed to be.

755
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Got married early, like kind of like a Midwesterner should

756
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: and like an Asian should. So we go to the wedding.

757
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Mind you, I have not uninvited my ex boyfriend at

758
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: this point. I'm just trusting that he doesn't show up.

759
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Your ex boyfriends from a while ago, right, So I

760
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: invited him to the wedding. Why he moved away? So

761
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: we broke up, and then like two months later was

762
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: the wedding. I never uninvited him, but I was like,

763
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to show up, right. I invited Shane,

764
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: who we had dated like two months at that point.

765
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I bought my plate ticket while I was in Vegas

766
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: and my best friends at bachelor party feel like I'm drunk.

767
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: I So you got you pretty much brought shames around

768
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: your family for the first time at your brother's wedding.

769
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: But they know you're gay. Yeah, filled with Christian music

770
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: posters all over the walls. It was just like it

771
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: was a whole thing in that bad Yeah we did sorry, um,

772
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: but but so like my parents were cool with it.

773
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: I think, to be totally candid, Like because my older

774
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: brother turned out exactly the way he was supposed to,

775
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: I could kind of do whatever I wanted, Like I

776
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: get to work in music, I get to be gay,

777
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: and it's okay, you don't have to be like just

778
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: because yeah, like he checked perfect and he'll like take

779
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: care of the retirement while I'm sucking around and trying

780
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: to make work in music and sucking ass. So I

781
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: knew they were cool, but like the aunts and the uncle's,

782
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: especially my grandparents, Like I thought that ship was going

783
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: to be Like I thought it wasn't gonna be okay

784
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: because I knew that on paper it wasn't okay. But

785
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I think when like because I didn't just come out,

786
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: but I like came out with a boyfriend who was

787
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: there in the room. That made a lot of charming Yeah,

788
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: and she charmed them. There's yeah, there's so many pictures

789
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: of him, like dancing with my dad, just like aggressive

790
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: dad dancing. We were like dad wore dancing at that

791
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: and like for me, like to give my perspective of this,

792
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: like we're dating for two months and I'm flying to

793
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Michigan to like sleep in his childhood bedroom to be

794
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: at the fucking wedding table, you know what I mean.

795
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: Like I was sitting at the table, like the head table,

796
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: and like I was the best man. So he's like

797
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: the third person away from the couple. Have you been

798
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: with before not like dating? No, like I had slept

799
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: with a couple of Asian guys before, but like no,

800
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: because I'm assuming, like the cultures will be different, because

801
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I know in the Black a community it's really hard

802
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: because we had a hyper masculina. First of all, everybody does,

803
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, but I know with Black as especially, they

804
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: suffered that a lot. And you know, we're taught to

805
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: be such moscow and masculine women and men being super strong,

806
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: and then gays looked at this thing that's like not.

807
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: And then with Asians it's like I think, as it's

808
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: like they're generally very rich because like their parents, what happened.

809
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I know, I'm so sad, but generally they're like very many,

810
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: like fucking rapper, like super girly, like you know, like

811
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: they're the hyper feminine, hyper stylized kind of um guy,

812
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of what what is expected, which I

813
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: get that the stereotype. Honestly. When I was in Thailand,

814
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: I saw so many I mean, everybody knows a ladyboy thing.

815
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: But I wondered if it's because the Asian body is

816
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: leaner and your hair gets straighter. Are you guys just

817
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: better being fucking goddamn? They were, And I was like,

818
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just because they have a smaller

819
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: frame Asians generally, And well, I think, and that's the

820
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: body is naturally like twinkish know it for sure is

821
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: and like the guy we like, I was alluding to

822
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: hooking up with someone on Sunday who is like like

823
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: in our friend group honestly, and like it just like

824
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: was this thing that happened where there was like I

825
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: had a mutual attraction with him, and then Marcus suddenly

826
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, he's like super hot, and I

827
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: was like, now, so you guys fuck friends, You suck

828
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: your friends. This is the first time ever, like the

829
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: first time ever. And it's also like is it awkward now?

830
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it will be No, I don't think

831
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: it will be um like he's honest, like we chill,

832
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: like I cooked brunch, like we hung out. Like though,

833
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: for people that are thinking about sucking friends, because a

834
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: lot of guys WI always say, oh, get your friend,

835
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: get your friend, get you run, Like, what would you

836
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: say to people that are thinking about friend? I think

837
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: it's super unique, Like I think it's super It has

838
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: to be unique to the situation. Do you think that

839
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: there's ever like a line that you can't cross as

840
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: far as that goes. Do you guys have any rules

841
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: for your monogous relationship as far as like when you

842
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: meet someone the numbers exchange, do you group chat? Like?

843
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: How does this work? If it used to be I

844
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: used to be more strict on like group chatting, because

845
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of nights when I'm like running

846
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: around for work stuff like bouncing around at studios and stuff,

847
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: and I knew that a guy was texting Shane about

848
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: like how horny he was or whatever, and I knew

849
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: the the intention on any side spoiler, it was wait,

850
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: can I not say that name? Well, you're going to

851
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: bleep it again? His big as crushed in the world.

852
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm maddling love with him, but he was not my ex.

853
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: We went on two dates ever, So yeah, at that

854
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: point it made me uncomfortable because I didn't like like

855
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: that just felt kind of weird to me. I think

856
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't care as much. I think,

857
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: like the guy from last week, I think you guys text, Um,

858
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's raunched at all, but like

859
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore on that stuff. Um, but I

860
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: think our only rule is really that we're both in

861
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: the room. I mean, and that's where I like that

862
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: you're both in the room, and like, yeah, so it's

863
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: the thing that we share, Like even if one of

864
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: us is more attracted to the guy than the other,

865
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: it's always a thing that we share because I think

866
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: that way it builds us. Whereas if one of us

867
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: isn't in the room, then it starts to feel like

868
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: he's trying to get what he can't get from me elsewhere,

869
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: and like he doesn't want me, he would rather have

870
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: that person. That's that's a great like that at I

871
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: think I will say, like our entire relationship has been

872
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: an evolution, right, and like that's our rule today, and

873
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: like who knows what's going to happen in the future. Um,

874
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like I want to go and fund

875
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: someone else with on Marcus there because like right now

876
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: it's like so hot and like so cool. I'm sorry,

877
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: that was just like the you know what I mean,

878
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Like well, like this on Sunday, like honestly, like on Sunday,

879
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I fuxed this guy and like Mark,

880
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: like I could see in his face like he was

881
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: he could have sat on a chair and not touched himself,

882
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: and like came like why was it so hot for you?

883
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: Because you guys are being really because Shane was sucking

884
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: him so hard, and like I said, like I knew

885
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: that was not going to happen with me because like

886
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't take it. So it was like it was

887
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: just so hot to see it happening. Do you think

888
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: that I really would like to know too? There are

889
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things that men want to do to

890
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: women that they sometimes don't like, whether it be like

891
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: b DSM and and I keep saying men and women

892
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: because I want to relate the things from your gay

893
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: relationship that people can maybe taking their straight relationship right

894
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: and like see if it can work for them. But

895
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: do you think that maybe women that don't like anal

896
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: or really are not that good blow jobs can have

897
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: their man do it with someone else and watch, Like

898
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: does it ever make you feel jealous that you can't

899
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: take it? I think it has to be a built relationship,

900
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: Like it's not like you can't do it two months in,

901
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Like this was not a conversation like Marcus, three years.

902
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: We could not have had that conversation before we had

903
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: that conversation. How many months was were you together at

904
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that point? That was like a year, So you built

905
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: the foundation being together year and you're like, hey, I'm comfortable,

906
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I love you, and now it's going to happen. I

907
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: do want to ask another question, Um, I want to ask,

908
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: is is there anything that you're kind of tired of

909
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: hearing about gays or just a question you're tired of

910
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: hearing like that? People will ask I think especially straight

911
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: girls who asks what who will ask like who's the

912
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: top and who's the bottom? Way too early, like you

913
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: just at them and they immediately asked that. You appreciate

914
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: that because when I was talking to one of my gays,

915
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: they told me not to ask you guys that and

916
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, this is right, and why is

917
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: that disrespectful? I want to talk about that because saying

918
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: like who's the man and who's the woman? Things like

919
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: it's putting us in a in a box, right, it's

920
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: making you comfortable to know which one of us you

921
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: know what you're talking to? You know what I mean? Yes,

922
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of people want to know, like who's pigeon?

923
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like, who's the man? Like, how I'm going

924
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: to talk to the man? Like that's that's what it

925
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: feels like. That's what it feels like. Have you ever

926
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: had been together and someone asked you that like a

927
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: drunk person in a barn blah blah, and like it

928
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: pissed you off? Yeah? A lot? Really? Who was that?

929
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure was my story? But yeah, it's like it's

930
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of I will say a name, I don't

931
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: give a ship Jackie. Yeah, it's the girls who like

932
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: think they're really cool with the gays, and they think

933
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: because they have four gay friends that like every good

934
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: person friends we all know there's someone that's like, oh

935
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: my god, I totally have a black friend. Yes, things

936
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: like my friend Joe would love you. God, how tired

937
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: of women? Are you that are like coming up to you?

938
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: And like, I mean, do you like me? Well? And

939
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: I will, I'll be fucking straight with you. Like most

940
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: of my best friends, Like most of my best friends

941
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: are women, like and I have like one of my

942
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: really close gay friends, he has maybe two women friends

943
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and he's friends with gay guys solely, And like that's

944
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: the entirely opposite experience that I've had, Like generally, I am,

945
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: do you think your girlfriends are the kind that are

946
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: like constantly yas growing you? And why is that annoying? Like? No,

947
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: And I met most of my girlfriends here in New York.

948
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: I met them in grad school, so I met them

949
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: in a context of like therapy school, you know, like

950
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm just learning to be therapists, because I do find

951
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: that Like my friend Vinnie, he told me he's kind

952
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: of sometimes tired of women that are like so he

953
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: works on a cruise and like he said something along

954
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: lines like some women are always just coming up to

955
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: me like oh my god, queen honey, and it's like

956
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't talk like that. Why is that? Like do

957
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: you ever find that women want to be around you

958
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: because you're gay? Like I think like especially when we're

959
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: in like clubs that are in gay clubs, like if

960
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: we're going out with friends in like a straight bar

961
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: club situation, and like where the gay couple like that happens.

962
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it happens with our friends. Like your

963
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: best friend who doesn't think she's your best friend when

964
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: she's on Molly. Every time she does Molly, she does

965
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. She comes up to me, She's like,

966
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: you're my best friend. I know I'm not your best friend,

967
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: you're my best friend. Your best friend of course she

968
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, she's one of my best friends now,

969
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: but um, so your friends don't do that. But other

970
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: people said, what's something that they do that makes you uncomfortable?

971
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: It's literally what you've just said, like coming up and

972
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: just being like yes girl, like oh my god. Like

973
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: so now we talked earlier in the lobby, like we

974
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: just started watching RuPaul's Right Grace this season and had

975
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: to binge the first two episodes to get to the thing.

976
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: I think drag Race is really making people think that

977
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: they should be cool with gays than they are, Like honey, know, like,

978
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: are you really for us? They should be cooler with

979
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: gays than they are, generally speaking, but not that Cool's

980
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: not like coming up to us and being like yes,

981
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: and when they do, what do you do? What's your reaction? Like?

982
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Not like I just honestly I generally don't react like

983
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: I'll turn away really yeah, like I I don't have

984
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: patience for it. I'm not going to be rude, like

985
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be an asshole. I mean, and maybe

986
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: that is being an asshole. I'm not gonna be tired

987
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: of that has been taken from gay culture and people

988
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: do maybe something I'm tired of just in general, and

989
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: gay culture is like the yeah, but I still do it.

990
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: I still do do like in text. I don't do

991
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: it in real life, but I do it in text.

992
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: I do hate when people say it too much to

993
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: me and I'm like, all right. I don't know. One

994
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: thing that annoys me about gay culture though, is I

995
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: think gay culture is the intermediate step between like black

996
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: culture and mainstream culture. But then gay people will start

997
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: to think that they invented some ship like what I

998
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of the slang. I think a lot

999
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: of stuff I here start in like rap music in

1000
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: pop culture, and then it translates over that you're talking about,

1001
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: because that's very interesting because a lot of black women

1002
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: are kind of tired of They'll say, white gay men

1003
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: for taking their ship. What's something that you like, think

1004
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: of something right now? Like, yeah, give me a second,

1005
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: because you're saying in music, go ahead. I don't know.

1006
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: I have like an opposite reaction, but like to white culture,

1007
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: like how dre Grace started. What in two thousand seven,

1008
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: someone's going to correct us. Someone will correct us in

1009
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: the year. But then, um, lipstick or no lip, microphone whatever,

1010
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: God damn it, what's lips and karaoke whatever that show

1011
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: is called. I don't know crities. I'm talking about the celebrities.

1012
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: So listen, drey Grace started first, right, and then that happened,

1013
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's the white version it is of Drake Race

1014
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: now lip sinc. I just want to say, so, if

1015
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: you guys have never seen that's what I was thinking about.

1016
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: If you guys have never been to a gate club

1017
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: in our fucking culture, bitch where the queen's coming out

1018
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: and she's lips singing too, I will survive k con

1019
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: all the grades. I mean, I don't really hear a

1020
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: lot of Beyonce too much anymore. But yeah, like Brittany,

1021
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: everybody fucking loves it, and I care about your goddam

1022
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: you do. Um no, And we throw dollars at them

1023
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: and we love them and they're just to fucking elaborate

1024
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and it's great. And I do think that it has

1025
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: kind of mainstreamed in his awkward But yeah, so a

1026
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: lot of things that they're taking from black women. So

1027
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: like let's say cis. Like I'm now hearing a lot

1028
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: of white gay say cis and things like that. Is

1029
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: black culture and gay culture? Are they the same? Can

1030
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: we take it like our black gays do they have

1031
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: their own thing like or is it just a gay thing?

1032
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: What is it? I think the black gay thing is different,

1033
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: and I don't have a right to speak on that.

1034
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I think like the white gay thing. I think the

1035
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: white gay thing like it's not it's not out of

1036
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: a bad place or a malicious place. But I think

1037
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: like both communities are marginalized. But I think for a

1038
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: lot of people, um, like gay is something that is

1039
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: not necessarily apparent right away. I think gay gay can

1040
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: be safer, especially if you're a gay man who's white.

1041
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: And I think to try to equate that with like

1042
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: the black experiences unfair, so I think to try to

1043
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: like migrate the slang that way it is unfair. And

1044
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: then also hearing a lot of like gay people when

1045
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: straight people start doing ship and they're like, wait, that's

1046
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: our ship, and it's like, no, that's not really your ship.

1047
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Like all of our culture or a lot of our

1048
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: culture is coming from black culture to begin with, and

1049
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: we need to go all the way back to the

1050
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: source because to me, that's more important. And I just

1051
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: want to say, I know you bitches are now loving

1052
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: Marcts Withever your goddamn right. No. But seriously, though, it

1053
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: does sometimes feel weird when I when I'm in Hell's kitchen.

1054
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I used to live in Hell's Kitchen, Worth and Ace,

1055
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: and I would always go to, um, what is it

1056
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: the no chaser? Not chaser bottoms up? What's it called bottom?

1057
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Is that? I mean out with the Russian? There it

1058
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: was weirds. I we make out with any with braces.

1059
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: I'd love that you got so judging braces are five

1060
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: like I had braces, but like ship, I didn't make

1061
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm too old for that. Yeah. So I go in

1062
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: and all these white gays are just like, oh, honey,

1063
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: bit you better slay girl blah blah blah blah blah.

1064
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: And they're like playing Beyonce and it got weird because

1065
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: they were like, I don't know when I started being

1066
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: called cis. It feels very black girl to me, and

1067
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: it felt weird coming from the S S I S.

1068
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm hearing like cis cis gender is um this gender is? Like,

1069
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm cis gender. What is the acronym? I'm it's not

1070
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: a this gender. It's not an acronym. It's so I'm

1071
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: a white gay male, but like I appear cis gender.

1072
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: I want to I want to google it. It It is

1073
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: so we use this gender when we are talking about

1074
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: trans people, um that are transitioned into um gay I'm

1075
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: sorry you say, like a cis white male, as cis

1076
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: white male is a naturally born male, right, I don't

1077
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: think it's an acronym. What I say white male? You

1078
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: know what, By the way, we are drinking vodka bottoms,

1079
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: assists male is someone that's born a male and they're

1080
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: not a trans mail that someone who has transitioned into

1081
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: being a man or CIS person or whatever. So cis

1082
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: gendered is the actual gender you were born with their

1083
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: assigned at birth right. Um, but yeah, I have felt

1084
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: uncomfortable about things like that. And it's weird because I

1085
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: have white gays. But sometimes when I feel like it's

1086
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: too much or like black people aren't around, I feel

1087
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: like it gets uncomfortable. And of course we all love Beyonce,

1088
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: but I do. I do have these weird moments with

1089
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: like the ciss and ship like that, and I don't

1090
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: know what it is. Sometimes sis feels like this black

1091
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: word and it's like my sista, and I know, I

1092
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: get that. I don't think like that's not something I

1093
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: would feel comfortable saying. I would probably say girl like

1094
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: I would girl like I get real gay. You haven't.

1095
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Do you notice that, like you're starting to call a

1096
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: straight man girl like on accident? Oh, I don't, do you.

1097
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: I feel like like I would call Jesse or Brad.

1098
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes it slams. I feel like, also, he Marcus friends

1099
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: is a lot of straight dudes, Like I, Is that

1100
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: because of your work in the industry? Oh, that's how

1101
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: That's how I've always been. To be honest, I didn't

1102
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: have like a real group of gay friends until I

1103
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: met Shane's group of Yeah, then it all came crashing

1104
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: in I don't have the two of you for sure.

1105
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Why is that? I mean, I work with gay people,

1106
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: like I've dedicated my life to like what makes you

1107
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: like what is the gay thing he does at home?

1108
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: At home? Is there anything that just like, oh my god,

1109
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: this is just so ridiculously gay? And really, I'm honestly,

1110
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for a lot of it because it's like

1111
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: it's the stereotypical stuff of like it's a little tidier dresses,

1112
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: better to tell me when I'm about to really funk

1113
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: up when I'm trying to leave the house, like wearing

1114
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: something that's super messy. And by the way, I am

1115
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: saying this to have fun with this. I know a

1116
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: lot of times it's kind of actually it's pretty rude

1117
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: to say to someone they're being so gay, But I

1118
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: just really want to have fun with this word, especially

1119
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: with the gays, because oh I love my gays. Well

1120
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: even I will be honest, like I am not stylish,

1121
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm not stylish, but like Marcus is he needs Like,

1122
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: what is something you should be better at? Because you're gay,

1123
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: both of you? What's yours? First? Well, I should be

1124
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: a better at like as a gay man, you definitely

1125
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: should have this damnpact. What is it? Funk? I don't know, Like,

1126
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty awesome. What about you? Definitely dressing, like the

1127
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: way I dress is so unacceptable nine times out of ten,

1128
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: especially because like either either it's the gay thing or

1129
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: it's like you're in a hip hop and everybody else

1130
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: is like wearing like their designers ship and you're not. No,

1131
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: and like I just don't think. I don't think that way,

1132
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: and I want to, but that's just not What about stereotypes.

1133
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: What do you think the biggest gay stereotypes? Well, I

1134
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: think one of them is like the dressing besides a

1135
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: dressing though, uh, you're all too girly. Do you think

1136
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: that that's the thing that people feel like you, that

1137
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: all gays are feminine and not masculine anything. It's like

1138
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: it's like the feminine thing, but it like specifically liking drama.

1139
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's real. That's real. That's real. That's really no, honestly, honestly, like,

1140
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: there will be times like like we've said, we're monogamous, right,

1141
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: and there's a few friends that I can't talk about

1142
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: that with because well I'm thinking I'm thinking of one

1143
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: in particular, like who has a hard time like having

1144
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: a relationship in general, and like to have a relationship

1145
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: where we open that to someone like it's almost like

1146
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: too much for that person, right, and then the judgment

1147
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: comes on, So it's like there's like it's hard, it's

1148
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: hard to be around that, like for myself because I

1149
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: know like what my relationship is, and like do you

1150
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: think you know as far as like the drama goes

1151
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: with gays, how has tea and gossip and all of

1152
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: that become a thing? Does it come from us just

1153
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: wanting to spill everything to our gaze because they're good

1154
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: advice or what is it? I think it's the same

1155
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: as like anything has ever been, Like it just has

1156
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: now a phrase towards it, Like I don't think it's new,

1157
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and T is spilled the T. It's like spilled the

1158
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: basset for those of you who don't know. I feel

1159
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: like y'all should be on this black Frankly, I love that,

1160
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Like I love talking about like ship that's going on,

1161
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: and like I'm a therapist, right, like that's my bread

1162
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: and butter. But like it shouldn't be something that's negative,

1163
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Like it should be something that you can also just

1164
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: be like good fucking yes, I love that, and he

1165
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: can be positive that's a good thing to hear. Like.

1166
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be real Housewives. It can be

1167
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: like yes, like other ship. Yeah, I want to ask

1168
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: one thing before we stop, before we go, I want

1169
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: you to tell me something that you really like about

1170
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: the other person or like says to the other person.

1171
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I want to know, and I want you to know first.

1172
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: What is something that's just so great about your relationship

1173
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: that you feel like would be helpful with other people?

1174
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: Are something so great about Shane? I think I think

1175
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons that we're still together and

1176
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: that will continue to be together is that, like I'm

1177
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of a train wreck and he's kind of a

1178
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: control freak. So he calls the shots on like what

1179
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: is on the grocery list, what we're eating for dinner,

1180
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: like generally like weekend plan? Can you enjoy it? That

1181
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: ship that I just don't want to think about it.

1182
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be concerned with it. If there's

1183
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: a chore in front of me, or if he's like

1184
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: can you do X y Z, I do it and

1185
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm happy about it. But I think like me before

1186
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: him was just like kind of a disaster, and I

1187
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: think he needs his apartment. It's true. We have to

1188
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: dead bolt the door shut, or also would swing open.

1189
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: His dad came to our first apartment together and like

1190
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: tested the floors. It was like she stopped on it

1191
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: and was like, come on, maybe didn't need a wife.

1192
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but like Shane needs that too, because I

1193
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: think if there's someone else who knows exactly what they

1194
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: want their partmer to look like, exactly what they want

1195
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: to do on the weekend, like that ship would not

1196
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: work and it works for you. To me the control figure,

1197
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: I would do. He's here because I told him to

1198
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, Or we have brunch tomorrow. We're going

1199
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: to a drag brunch because I bought tickets to it

1200
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: one of our best friends in Philadelphia, and we made

1201
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: a brunch reservation with fifteen of our friends. On Sunday,

1202
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: We'll do carry. So you are calling the shots now,

1203
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: Google calendar your sex life. Though you have just said

1204
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: like you're more primarily the top or were did that train?

1205
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like a train translated into your personal it's

1206
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: a red and what about you? What do you think

1207
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: that you enjoy about um? Honestly, so I said before,

1208
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: like I've had a few long term relationships that were

1209
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: train wrecks, like just fucking blew up, and a lot

1210
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: of that was like the people were not anyone I

1211
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: was compatible with, but like also with us, like we

1212
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: can have conversations and like evolve our relationship, you know,

1213
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: like I've never like I've never had a three son

1214
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: before I was with Marcus. Really I did not think

1215
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: that this whole time, even talking, I just felt like

1216
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: you had already experienced oh bit, oh sorry, sorry, sorry,

1217
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: not in a relationship. Sorry, let me reiterate, Like I've

1218
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: been the third but like never have I I hear you. Okay, yeah, sorry,

1219
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: it's a distinction in my head, but I understand why

1220
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: I hear you. Like being a guest start can feel

1221
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: like a different thing. Okay, that's yeah. And that's why

1222
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: I always like I'm not having been the guest star,

1223
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm never worried about how the guests are in

1224
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: our relationship is feeling, because they're probably just like ship, yeah,

1225
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: like it's they're the exciting piece. Do you think there's

1226
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: anything that the Straits should know or a piece of

1227
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: gay culture or gay advice or something that gay men

1228
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: do or gay people do, that they should take with them.

1229
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: I think, just like fuck your preconceived notions of like

1230
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: what being straight is, do you know what I mean? Like,

1231
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone puts on a show for each other.

1232
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: And if you're a dude that likes musical theater, but

1233
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: like you also like women like just sucking like musical theater,

1234
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: and you're going to find a woman that appreciates that.

1235
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: That's a great point, right, Like, And I say that

1236
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: as like a very stereotypical like peace, but like anything

1237
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: regarding that, like, just be yourself, no matter what your

1238
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: sexual preferences. And I do want to ask one other

1239
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: question is we talked about pegging a lot, and that

1240
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: is such a block mentally for men because or even

1241
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: touching their ass is pegging. Gay. No, I don't think so.

1242
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: I think I think every fucking straight guy should let

1243
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: their woman put one singular finger you are, ah my god, like,

1244
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: just let them put their fingers. Now. You said, by

1245
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: the way, that they got pregnant, And I want to

1246
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: just say that he was making that comment because they

1247
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: the orgasm in the sperm count probably shot out of

1248
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: there because they say it's the strongest orgasm and just

1249
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: like fuck like even if you're not trying to get pregnant,

1250
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: like especially if you're not trying to get pregnant, like

1251
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: just fucking finger this dude like he's gonna love it. Wait,

1252
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: feel like it's becoming more Okay, it's becoming more. Okay,

1253
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: thank you, brod City, thank you Abby City. Fucking gut me? Ready?

1254
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: What I do? Have one more question before we go?

1255
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: And I have another one? Try one more one. Let's

1256
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: just keep going. How long are you been on this thing?

1257
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: All right, that's fine, that's blow tip? No, I look,

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Speaker 1: we are sucking bros. Best blow job tip your tongue

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Speaker 1: I do that to him. I don't know. You are

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Speaker 1: So best blow job tip is swirling your tongue around

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Speaker 1: the head? Is it slowly? Is it? But it's also

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Speaker 1: using your hand, like use your hand as much as

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Speaker 1: you use your mouth, Like it's not just about your mouth. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've said that to a lot of people don't like hands.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. We did a top ten blow chop tips

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Speaker 1: the guard. Yeah, and then like you go up with it,

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Speaker 1: should twist. Now, is there like a move that you

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Speaker 1: guys have during sex that you know is going to

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Speaker 1: make the other one come anything for him? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Honestly if I even if if I wasn't up for

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Speaker 1: what's the weirdest thing you feel like each other has

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Speaker 1: not weird, I know. I mean it's not weird, but

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Speaker 1: choked out a lot to the point where you're coughing after. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it like depends on the day. It's so funny. The

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Speaker 1: was so fucking hot, but I was also fucking scared

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Speaker 1: because I was like good and then after she came,

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Speaker 1: this is just come over tomorrow. It was a music that,

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Speaker 1: like finger, okay, got it. I really appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: them up. But if you are a gay, Meal is

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Speaker 1: and I'll let you know. Yeah, I will let you

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Speaker 1: know if they're interested. We're gonna keep it a little private.

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Speaker 1: They have very nice jobs. And um yeah, if you

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Speaker 1: guys are Patreons and you're watching this video, I hope

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Speaker 1: for being a listener. And we're both so red. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Like I really didn't think you guys would be in

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Speaker 1: here talking about each other's ask but you did, of course.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you really not think that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just it's such an intrusive question.

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Speaker 1: You asked about a power bottom before we have to

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Speaker 1: this guy who is a power bottom. How why Well,

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Speaker 1: that's Marcus said, Like he thought it was so hot

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Speaker 1: that I was sucking him so hard. That's what a

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Speaker 1: power bot it. Like he had internal orgasms. He never came,

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Speaker 1: like he never came from his dick, Like his dick

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Speaker 1: was soft. Hold on, but but he came at least twice.

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Speaker 1: Can come without you have? Yeah, And sometimes it's prostate.

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Speaker 1: They call it prostate orgasm. No, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm looking very shocked right now because I've had

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Speaker 1: I just had to add that. I had to add

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Speaker 1: like they can. They can happen, and they are way

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Speaker 1: if you're into it, why, It's like it's a different sensation,

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Speaker 1: like it's you're it's such an internal like it's it's

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Speaker 1: to get sucked in the ass. You don't have a prostate, girl,

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Speaker 1: where your sensation comes from. Funny because sometimes I feel

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Speaker 1: at the same time he said he loves feeling his

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Speaker 1: I love you guys, Thanks for listening. If you want

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Speaker 1: your feedback, Um, I'm running the Twitter now Horrible pod.

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