Speaker 1: This is a masterclass in white privilege. Trump can't say
Speaker 1: enough to be racist. He can't commit enough crimes to
Speaker 1: be a criminal. He can't fail enough to be a failure,
Speaker 1: and he can't say enough stupid things to be stupid.
Speaker 1: He is so shielded and insulated by the idea and
Speaker 1: the concept of whiteness.
Speaker 2: That he is un.
Speaker 1: Touchable. The thought conjured around him matters more than any reality,
Speaker 1: any reality. He is a Christian that doesn't know the Bible,
Speaker 1: that foreign stars, that grabs women by the is the
Speaker 1: least christ like. But the sheer promise of the whiteness
Speaker 1: that exists inside Donald Trump is enough for everyone. White
Speaker 1: and black people, a lot of them who worship whiteness
Speaker 1: and aspire to the level of whiteness that Trump has.
Speaker 1: It's enough for them to say, hey, he still our guys,
Speaker 1: no matter what.
Speaker 3: It's the whiteness he guarantees to protect.
Speaker 1: That's what he's That's what he represents, right, It's.
Speaker 3: There being that he guarantees to protect.
Speaker 2: And that's true.
Speaker 1: That's something that they won't say, but that they're voting for.
Speaker 3: Former President Trump held a rally in New York City
Speaker 3: at Madison Square Garden. Some have compared it to drawn
Speaker 3: parallels to another very infamous rally that took place at
Speaker 3: the same venue by the then leader of the Nazi Party,
Speaker 3: one Adolf Hitler. Now some would hear that and immediately
Speaker 3: scream hyperbole, immediately accuse anyone making that comparison to be
Speaker 3: extreme or maybe over zealous. They just hate Donald Trump
Speaker 3: so bad that they're comparing him to whom many consider
Speaker 3: to be one of the worst people in the history
Speaker 3: of the world. Some might misremember the Nazi Party, However,
Speaker 3: they might think that they came to some type of
Speaker 3: covert stealing of their country's national lexicon attention, and that
Speaker 3: their rise to power or was somehow a secret coup.
Speaker 3: Forgetting that what they did happened in plain sight. People
Speaker 3: did not realize in real time that they should be
Speaker 3: taking something happening in front of them far more serious.
Speaker 3: And here we are. I go by the name q Ward,
Speaker 3: and I go by the name Rams's job. And some
Speaker 3: might wonder, as we sit here, microphones on and the
Speaker 3: very well put together pup weekly studios. By the way,
Speaker 3: why this election has me so stressed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why I'm taking it so serious? Because you know, no
Speaker 3: matter who wins, everything is going to be okay. People
Speaker 3: that I love, people that I care about, people who
Speaker 3: know me and my kids have said that to me.
Speaker 3: I understand, what's the big deal. No matter who wins,
Speaker 3: everything's going to be okay. So I think it's important
Speaker 3: to point out some things. Forgive the length of this information,
Speaker 3: but all of it is very very relevant.
Speaker 2: If I may, well, let me let me offer you
Speaker 2: this before you go into it. So Q, my brother,
Speaker 2: my partner in crime, I need to ask your forgiveness upfront. Please,
Speaker 2: I have I mean, you know this better than anybody.
Speaker 2: But I have been in the studio getting these interviews
Speaker 2: for the show, editing these interviews, coordinating our on the
Speaker 2: ground efforts to communicate with audiences, and so forth and
Speaker 2: so on, and so when you talk about this rally
Speaker 2: at Madison Square of Goddron, I came across the headline,
Speaker 2: but I'm not intimately familiar with everything that happened in
Speaker 2: that story, just because I've been absolutely slammed. So forgive
Speaker 2: me if I'm a little less than prepared for today's conversation.
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to turn the mics on and go,
Speaker 2: and I like when you have that energy, You like
Speaker 2: when I have that energy, so we never stop each other.
Speaker 2: But I just want to make sure that you and
Speaker 2: our listeners know that I'm going to be learning a
Speaker 2: lot in this conversation, so you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure that that was stated.
Speaker 3: First, former President Donald Trump held a disgraceful rally at
Speaker 3: the Mecca as far as venues go, New York City's
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden, and to give you the reader's digest version,
Speaker 3: Trump supporters, of course, but Trump's celebrity circus came to
Speaker 3: town Mayor Rudy Giuliani, amongst them Hulk Hogan, Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 3: and I have to figure out this comedian's name because
Speaker 3: he's made the the biggest headlines. Ironically, so far as
Speaker 3: I was like the B Squad, well, all of his
Speaker 3: rallies feature the B Squad. And you know, before we're
Speaker 3: done out find out this comic's name. Maybe because it's
Speaker 3: not his name isn't important. His rhetoric and his message, however, are.
Speaker 3: He noticed a black Trump supporter in the crowd, acknowledged him,
Speaker 3: brought attention to him, noted that he reminded him of
Speaker 3: someone that he knew, and that he spend halloweens with
Speaker 3: carving watermelons. He then went on to, in a very
Speaker 3: anecdotal tone, educate the crowd about a floating island of
Speaker 3: garbage in the middle of the ocean. I did hear
Speaker 3: this part, you know, Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: I did hear that.
Speaker 3: Some would say he's a comedian. And why are you
Speaker 3: guys making such a big deal of jokes? I'd ask
Speaker 3: you listening, if you made such jokes where you work,
Speaker 3: do you think that have any impact on your employment?
Speaker 3: I almost know at most companies, at least, that the
Speaker 3: answer is absolutely.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Imagine electing someone to the most powerful position in the
Speaker 3: Western world and probably in the world, that shares and
Speaker 3: echoes those same sentiments, those same beliefs, in that same rhetoric,
Speaker 3: A black supporter and speaker came to the mic to
Speaker 3: the resounding sounds of Dixie like the Confederate theme song,
Speaker 3: something that we both know was most likely very intentional.
Speaker 3: Vice President Harris was referred to as a prostitute with
Speaker 3: pimp handlers. And it gets more and more disgusting as
Speaker 3: you go on. According to CNN, Donald Trump on Tuesday
Speaker 3: defended his controversial Madison Square Garden rally telling supporters that
Speaker 3: the event was and I quote an absolute love fest
Speaker 3: and that it was quote my honor to be involved,
Speaker 3: spitting in the face of the same people that he
Speaker 3: told he didn't have anything to do with the people
Speaker 3: who attended and didn't know what their messaging was going
Speaker 3: to be. Like in what world?
Speaker 2: Can't have it both ways?
Speaker 3: In what world? I don't think anyone has ever seen
Speaker 3: anything like what happened the other at Medicine Square Garden.
Speaker 3: Trump told a crowd of supporters at his Mar A
Speaker 3: Lago resort in Florida as he addressed criticism of his
Speaker 3: rally for the first time, the love in that room
Speaker 3: it was breathtaking and you could have filled it many
Speaker 3: many times with the people that were unable to get
Speaker 3: in end quote. Again, the crowd turned out at his rallies,
Speaker 3: which it turns out a large portion of the crowd
Speaker 3: was not from New York. Oh yeah, So again every
Speaker 3: accusation of confession because they accused the Harris Walls campaign
Speaker 3: of busting in people because it's something that they do,
Speaker 3: and then anything positive that the Harris Walls campaign does,
Speaker 3: they pretend that that's what they're about too. He's talking
Speaker 3: at the rally about being running sorry, an optimistic and
Speaker 3: hopeful campaign as he weaponizes hate and misinformation to make
Speaker 3: targets of almost everyone black and brown in this country.
Speaker 2: I want to say something here, please, So I know
Speaker 2: that there's people out there who will say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump didn't say that. That was like the opener
Speaker 2: that said that. But I think that there's an opportunity
Speaker 2: here for a critical examination of the entire MAGA movement.
Speaker 2: We've said this, you know, since twenty twenty, and we've
Speaker 2: said this to each other going back even further back
Speaker 2: to you know, twenty sixteen. Donald Trump and his rhetoric
Speaker 2: and what he stands for and what we know or
Speaker 2: otherwise believe him to stand for espouse parrot behind closed
Speaker 2: doors has emboldened a facet of this country to be
Speaker 2: more authentically themselves. This undercurrent of hatred and the things
Speaker 2: that we feel we have imagined as black people and
Speaker 2: as marginalized people, the things we feel have been true
Speaker 2: in our lives, The things I've seen that I felt
Speaker 2: that I can't quite put my finger on it, I
Speaker 2: can't substantiate it with any valid, tangible evidence, but I
Speaker 2: felt it. Donald Trump has emboldened that undercurrent and caused
Speaker 2: it to rise up. And even if Donald Trump himself
Speaker 2: hasn't said that on the stage about Puerto Rico being
Speaker 2: a floating garbage island or something, how hurtful is that
Speaker 2: this is such a hurtful thing to say. You know,
Speaker 2: I was raised by a Puerto Rican woman, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Donald Trump is indirectly responsible for that
Speaker 2: and for people that come to Donald Trump's defense by
Speaker 2: saying and because I know they exist, Well, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: wasn't the one who said that. You know, this is
Speaker 2: just these are the people that are opening they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be comedians blah blah blah whatever, because I could
Speaker 2: see them dismissing that, just as like it's a part
Speaker 2: of the you know, the pomp and the circumstance or
Speaker 2: the show or whatever.
Speaker 3: I just wish they would do the same if the
Speaker 3: tables were turned, and we'd know that they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Know that said, we don't even have to have that
Speaker 2: argument because we know that. But in this moment, I
Speaker 2: can make a direct connection to that comedian saying that
Speaker 2: thing on that stage because of two reasons. One, he
Speaker 2: feels like Donald Trump won't mind. Donald Trump has indeed
Speaker 2: set the stage for him literally in that instance, but
Speaker 2: you know, figuratively in terms of the scale of the country,
Speaker 2: that's one two the crowd. He thinks the crowd will
Speaker 2: receive it, meaning that he knows what we know or
Speaker 2: otherwise have imagined to be true this whole time, which
Speaker 2: is now, these people can be all the way outside
Speaker 2: with how they really feel about you know, Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: For those that don't know, Puerto Rico is a part
Speaker 2: of the United States of America. It is not a
Speaker 2: foreign country. Those are United States citizens. It is a
Speaker 2: United States territory. It belongs to the US. And there
Speaker 2: was a man on stage that called it what you
Speaker 2: said it better than me. I just read the headline.
Speaker 3: But there's an island floating in the middle of the ocean,
Speaker 3: an island of garbage floating in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 3: It's called Puerto Rico. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this for people that say that Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: not responsible for that, or people that want to make
Speaker 2: that argument, I'm going to shut that down right now
Speaker 2: because from where I sit, Donald Trump is I could argue,
Speaker 2: either directly or indirectly responsible for that, and indeed the
Speaker 2: state of the country to where a person like that
Speaker 2: even has access to a stage that big and will
Speaker 2: get that off to a crowd that he believes will
Speaker 2: be receptive to it. I think all of that is
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's doing. Once upon a time, that would have
Speaker 2: been something that you could have got off in a
Speaker 2: bar in Alabama, maybe on a Tuesday with the good
Speaker 2: old boys. But that man said that on Madison Square
Speaker 2: Garden stage at a Trump rally. There's something there.
Speaker 3: New Republic, amongst other sources say that this comic had
Speaker 3: to workshop his material with Trump's team before he was
Speaker 3: allowed to take the stage.
Speaker 2: I think my point is well made.
Speaker 3: And even worse is that he had worse things to
Speaker 3: say that they made him not say, which means they
Speaker 3: were okay with everything that he did say. He had
Speaker 3: some some more blatantly disrespectful things to say about our
Speaker 3: current vice president, which they made him remove. I will
Speaker 3: not even utter the words he planned to say. So
Speaker 3: this idea that, hey, that wasn't me, That's just the
Speaker 3: guy that.
Speaker 2: Opened for me.
Speaker 3: Because former President Trump kind of approaches this whole thing
Speaker 3: like it's a stand up comedy act. He's a very
Speaker 3: very unserious person. The problem is those that worship him
Speaker 3: take him very seriously. Well, he stirred up the worst
Speaker 3: things in the worst amongst us.
Speaker 2: I think that. So when we first sat down to
Speaker 2: have this conversation, you wanted to play a clip of audio,
Speaker 2: which is what we heard opening the show, and I
Speaker 2: had not heard that before, but I think the point
Speaker 2: was well made from the audio that was Van Lathan
Speaker 2: talking about how Donald Trump represents or he's the most
Speaker 2: extreme form of I forgot how he said it on
Speaker 2: white privilege, white privile, Okay, so something like effectually, that
Speaker 2: was what he was communicating. It's white privilege on full
Speaker 2: display to the n degree. And so I think that
Speaker 2: this is a full circle moment going all the way
Speaker 2: back to that clip that we played at the top
Speaker 2: of the show, because yeah, you're absolutely right, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is always in the clear. He's never has to take
Speaker 2: responsibility or take accountability for anything.
Speaker 3: His sick of fans come out in Saint Washington. Man's
Speaker 3: plain everything he said, because that's not what he meant
Speaker 3: to say, and that's not what he was trying to say.
Speaker 3: As if he doesn't have access to the same words
Speaker 3: we heard, the words that he actually said. Why are
Speaker 3: you explaining to me that he meant to say something
Speaker 3: else every time he didn't mean it, every time, he
Speaker 3: meant to say something more benign and less racist and
Speaker 3: less misogynistic every time. And if he never means what
Speaker 3: he says, why are you all so ready to stand
Speaker 3: for this man who was either incapable of telling us
Speaker 3: the truth or fully capable and just decides we're not
Speaker 3: worth it. Trump, on Tuesday, again Seeing in Politics, mocked
Speaker 3: Democrats for drawing parallels between his rally and the Nazi
Speaker 3: rally held at Madison Square Garden in nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Vice President Kamala Harris made Minnesota Governor Tim Wall said
Speaker 3: before the rally that Trump's campaign knows exactly what they're
Speaker 3: doing there. End quote, ramses, I'd like to be more
Speaker 3: comfortable today, less than a week from this election, as
Speaker 3: Donald Trump stirs up preemptively every version of this thing
Speaker 3: being stolen from him, as we see ballot boxes being
Speaker 3: burned all over the country, how can we expect that
Speaker 3: this gets better before it gets worse, no matter the outcome.
Speaker 3: You know, what are you and I supposed to say
Speaker 3: to our listeners, to our friends and family who've come
Speaker 3: to us for our insight, for our voices that they
Speaker 3: have to look forward to as we encourage them to
Speaker 3: participate in this election, and it because of rhetoric like
Speaker 3: this becomes a more and more dangerous proposition.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of right there with you. I My hope
Speaker 2: is that obviously, this chapter is in this nation's history,
Speaker 2: in our lives, is coming to its conclusion, and that
Speaker 2: you know, in a very short amount of time, we
Speaker 2: will be able to focus on holding the right people
Speaker 2: accountable for delivering on the promises that they've made to
Speaker 2: this country. But at present, that overwhelming feeling that I
Speaker 2: know that you feel, and you know that I feel,
Speaker 2: not just from the amount of work that we have
Speaker 2: to do, but just from the stakes. You know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of tough being sort of skittish every day. And
Speaker 2: you know, we hear from our listeners quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and I know that that's something that they feel as well.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's tough to navigate. But the one thing
Speaker 2: that I will say, and I know that at least
Speaker 2: some of our listeners feel the same way, is that
Speaker 2: we have done as much as we know how to do,
Speaker 2: and we've contributed as much as we know how to
Speaker 2: contribute to this moment and as long as we are
Speaker 2: able to look back and say we lived this moment, Well,
Speaker 2: whatever comes next is what comes.
Speaker 3: I have to say this before we let you go,
Speaker 3: because I have friends, I'll say friends. Now, I don't
Speaker 3: know that that will remain true. And definitely that are
Speaker 3: messaging me saying not to vote, which yeah, right, saying
Speaker 3: that all of us are overreacting to Trump rhetoric. And
Speaker 3: you know he's prone to hyperbole and doesn't really mean it.
Speaker 3: And like I said, everything is going to be okay
Speaker 3: no matter who wins. This is a very very important
Speaker 3: thing to say out loud because of this moment in history,
Speaker 3: because people will pretend they didn't know. People will act surprised.
Speaker 3: As he said out loud, he wants to be a dictator,
Speaker 3: as they echoed at his rally, that America is only
Speaker 3: for Americans, as he's said that, he wants to use
Speaker 3: the National Guard and the military against those who disagree
Speaker 3: with him or oppose him, his political enemies, the enemy within,
Speaker 3: he calls us on the left, he said in that quote,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to leave you out with this. They
Speaker 3: started to say, well in nineteen thirty nine that the
Speaker 3: Nazis used Madison Square Garden. How terrible to say, right,
Speaker 3: because you know they've used Madison Square Garden many times.
Speaker 3: Many people have used it. But nobody's ever had a
Speaker 3: crowd like that. And I tell you what, right now,
Speaker 3: nobody's ever had love like that. That was love in
Speaker 3: the room, and it was love for our country. End quote.
Speaker 3: This is from Donald Trump. Important things to leave you
Speaker 3: with the Nazi Parti's rise to power in the nineteen
Speaker 3: thirties was unique due to a combination of factors, including
Speaker 3: exploiting the deep seated frustrations of post WARLD War One
Speaker 3: Germany through powerful propaganda, utilizing a charismatic leader, leveraging economic instability,
Speaker 3: and a failure of the international commut unity to effectively
Speaker 3: oppose their growing influence. That part especially important, rams is
Speaker 3: because this isn't some small community of people in the
Speaker 3: margins of our country. About sixty or seventy million people
Speaker 3: I believe voted for Donald Trump. That's not a small
Speaker 3: amount of people. Key elements to their rise masterful propaganda,
Speaker 3: their leader's charisma. There are some people that buy into
Speaker 3: the fake bully, weak man child personality of former President Trump.
Speaker 3: Economic distress, pointing to the pandemic when people are having
Speaker 3: a hard time and making people believe that he was
Speaker 3: their savior. I think you spoke about that on social media.
Speaker 3: Rec stantle people who are going to the polls because
Speaker 3: Donald Trump gave them a stimulus check.
Speaker 2: He didn't give you a stimulus.
Speaker 3: Check twelve hundred dollars. I believe you told me, yeah,
Speaker 3: four years ago. Yeah, which it waste to about seventy
Speaker 3: five cents a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But that was Congress that gave you that money.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump stood in the way of you getting that
Speaker 2: money because he wanted his name to go on a check,
Speaker 2: because he wanted to take credit for what Congress did.
Speaker 2: And it was a Democratic Congress, and that's who gave
Speaker 2: you that money. Donald Trump didn't give you that money.
Speaker 2: It didn't come from his pockets.
Speaker 3: Racist, xenophobic scapegoating and anti semitism a strategy that they
Speaker 3: used paint an enemy other every community and make your
Speaker 3: community those that support you superior, so they feel like
Speaker 3: they are part of it with you, even though you
Speaker 3: could care less about those people. Intimidation and inciting violence.
Speaker 3: This is the one Ramses early underestimation, the greatest trick
Speaker 3: the devil ever pulled off is convincing the world he
Speaker 3: didn't exist. He's playing in our faces. He's not even
Speaker 3: pretending that he's not going to do all the things
Speaker 3: he plans to do. They have a nine hundred page
Speaker 3: document project twenty twenty five, and every time he steps
Speaker 3: to a microphone, he says in detail what he plans
Speaker 3: to do. To quote the enemy from within, that means
Speaker 3: you people, because when he says Haitian and Puerto Rican,
Speaker 3: he does not just mean Haitian's in Puerto Ricans. If
Speaker 3: Ramses and I when we introduced ourselves to people told
Speaker 3: them that we were Haitian and Puerto Rican, none of
Speaker 3: them would hesitate to believe it. Misinformation which the GOP
Speaker 3: has become quite masterful and gradual escalation. You pointed out
Speaker 3: to me, Rams, is that the Make America Great hat
Speaker 3: used to have much smaller text on it. It is
Speaker 3: gradually getting bigger. Their rhetoric is gradually getting more and
Speaker 3: more racist and more misogynists and more direct. It used
Speaker 3: to be kind of vague, not enymore. It's blatant now.
Speaker 3: So I just want people to be aware. We cannot
Speaker 3: pretend that we didn't see this coming, because they've outlined
Speaker 3: everything that they plan to do, and some of the
Speaker 3: things they've done already. Right, our former president wants to
Speaker 3: give full immunity to law enforcement, bring back stop and frisk,
Speaker 3: already appoint at Supreme Court justices that have given him
Speaker 3: presidential immunity to do whatever he feels is in his
Speaker 3: right as his duty in office. You think he's going
Speaker 3: to pick one other group to get rid of when
Speaker 3: he wants to do a math deportation of tens of
Speaker 3: millions of people. Has warned that it will be bloody.
Speaker 3: I hate to go on and on, but we cannot
Speaker 3: not take this as serious as we should. Ramses and
Speaker 3: I have already voted. We don't get to tell you
Speaker 3: who to vote for. I mean, I can tell you,
Speaker 3: we can tell you who we voted for. But most importantly,
Speaker 3: I do not want you to sit on your hands
Speaker 3: and sit this one out. This is not the time.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to harp on this. I don't
Speaker 3: want to fear monger. I don't want to try to
Speaker 3: create undue distress. But this is very, very real, and
Speaker 3: it happened before, and it happened right in front of people.
Speaker 3: That man in Germany was elected, duly elected and at
Speaker 3: a time was very very popular. So we look back
Speaker 3: now and we think of him as this despicable and
Speaker 3: disgusting and evil person. But once upon a time he
Speaker 3: walked across the stage at Madison Square Garden. And if
Speaker 3: you could read a transcript of both rallies, the rhetoric,
Speaker 3: the rhetoric is startling in its similarities.
Speaker 2: Well, we all have our marching papers. We know it
Speaker 2: comes next, and obviously here we're going to continue to
Speaker 2: do what we do and you can continue to support
Speaker 2: us on all social media. You can find me at
Speaker 2: Rams's Jah.
Speaker 3: I am q Ward on all socials as well.
Speaker 2: And until next time, y'all peace,