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Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody to a Wednesday Night a Day of Texans,

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Speaker 1: all accessed from the Hyunday Texans Radio Studio OH Studio

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Speaker 1: mobile version. I'm your host, John Harris alongside the voice

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Speaker 1: of the Texans, Mark Vanomir Mark, good evening, Happy miracle

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Speaker 1: less to you. I think miracles. I think that's funnio class.

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Speaker 1: So I had missus Barreta. I don't want to brag,

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Speaker 1: but I got a lot of puntos in that class.

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Speaker 1: And when he didn't do well, she said, mantos putos,

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Speaker 1: manos puts marcos, and that was not good. I didn't

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Speaker 1: like mantos punt doos. I like to put those. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a good friend of ours on blast

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Speaker 1: because I took Spanish too with someone that is very

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Speaker 1: well known in the Houston area from a radio perspective,

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Speaker 1: and he sat behind me. And on the day the

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Speaker 1: last final that we took in Spanish two together, our teacher,

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Speaker 1: Miss Elfson, was going through the grades and she was going,

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Speaker 1: you know, Billy made this, and Sally made this, and oh,

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Speaker 1: Johnny got a ninety five and not surprising, and then

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Speaker 1: she goes and insert name here redacted. He got a

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Speaker 1: seventy five and he cheated, So yeah, but he knows

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Speaker 1: Spanish better than I do at that point, So anyhow,

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Speaker 1: we'll leave that one alone. We got Drew Doherty coming

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Speaker 1: along in our next segment for our in the Lab

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Speaker 1: podcast and Mark. One of the things that we talked

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Speaker 1: about and earned the Lab podcast was how brilliant Nick

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Speaker 1: Cassario danced in the press conference to not give us

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Speaker 1: and he and his staff's plan will be Friday when

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Speaker 1: they make presumably Friday, when they make their first pick.

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Speaker 1: I told you, I said, you know what. I would

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Speaker 1: have been disappointed had he gone the other way, and

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Speaker 1: he would have slipped and given us something. But he

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Speaker 1: was masterful and answering the questions without giving anything away

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Speaker 1: in his press conference and us and the one on

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Speaker 1: one we played on Monday night. Look, he's great at that,

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Speaker 1: and all gms should be, right. I still feel like

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Speaker 1: I got some good information from him through and I

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Speaker 1: with him reveal plenty about getting intel on players, about

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Speaker 1: his willingness to move up and down the board. Look,

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Speaker 1: maybe he ends up with no trades, but Johnny, based

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Speaker 1: on the volume, how do we do it volume? Based

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. I don't know what it's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm most interested in, Mark,

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Speaker 1: our podcast here. That's in the next segment in talking

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Speaker 1: about Nick will start to see his trends and if

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Speaker 1: any developed. And one of the things that Drew brought

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Speaker 1: up I thought was great was when Rick Smith would

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Speaker 1: and then each draft he would go ahead and drafted corner.

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Speaker 1: morning show and Seth was talking about it about drafting

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks Johnny and you know, Rick didn't draft too many quarterbacks, right,

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Speaker 1: And I just and I understand why once you invest

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Speaker 1: know McLean had Kellen Mond in his mock draft in

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Speaker 1: John about this tomorrow. Why did draft el Mon as

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Speaker 1: opposed to some of those other guys I like Aggies? Uh,

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Speaker 1: he likes clicks too. Now he didn't do it for clickbait,

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Speaker 1: but you know he knows that. Yeah, Mon is definitely

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Speaker 1: gonna turn some heads. Why did I pick Sam Elling

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Speaker 1: or am i Vandermark's draft? You know, preseason game excitement, baby,

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Speaker 1: And I like clicks as well, but at least be

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Speaker 1: at least you're being honest about it. I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 1: You're being honest about it. That's good, That's very good.

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Speaker 1: All right, are you ready for some NFL draft and

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Speaker 1: with a Texans slant either or yes? Okay? All right? One, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 1: I got seven, im, we'll see how many we can

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Speaker 1: all right? And I just think that's obvious. But you

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Speaker 1: know Clowney, all right, you last time he had the

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Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft. It's Jedeveon Clowney, and

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Speaker 1: and he was at the time. He was the right

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Speaker 1: he was right. I really I think it's a better

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Speaker 1: think somebody put up a billboard about that. No further

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Speaker 1: I have to have him Khalil Mack at the time. Look,

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Speaker 1: rambling now, Johnny, but I think Clowney was the right pick.

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Speaker 1: Newton was a great surprise because Newton turned into a

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Speaker 1: hard to measure quarterbacks versus anything else, and with t J. Yates, gosh,

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Speaker 1: I can't go against TJ. TJ. Yates is a Texans legend.

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Speaker 1: But he really is a legend. He's a folk hero,

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Speaker 1: after that draft, you get a convince me Derek Newton

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Speaker 1: I never would have thought t J. Yates is getting

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Speaker 1: even Matt Liner was there. Okay, no, But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Matt Liner. Maybe he's Rich Cannon, maybe he's somebody like that.

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Speaker 1: less than a half of football before Yates has to

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers wentn't had dinner with Trevor Lawrence

424
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it would be okay, what does

425
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: that mean? So there are different levels of all of this.

426
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: But after the press conference was over, Nick joined Mark

427
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: and I and we had you know, a two on one,

428
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: you know interview that we played last nine on Texans

429
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: and All Access, and it was the same kind of thing.

430
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: You know, he gave us. He gave us a little

431
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: bit more, but nothing that you could go, oh, okay,

432
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: that means they're drafting this or they're looking for this position,

433
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: none of that. That's that's his job right now. Exactly

434
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: these went talking to the public, you know. He Rick

435
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: Smith was the same way. The only things that you

436
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: would get at that pre draft press conference from Rick

437
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: Smith were ay, he would start out by saying, I'm

438
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: not going to give you guys anything. I mean, he

439
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: made it a point and he was trying to be

440
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: helpful and to be courteous by saying that. But then

441
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: b he always he always said with a smile, He's like, well,

442
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: I used to be a defensive back, so you know

443
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: I always like to take a corner or two in

444
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: the draft, which many times he did, sometimes not. But

445
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: those are the only and there's probably a few other

446
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: things that I'm forgetting, but those are the two things

447
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: with a Rick Smith press conference that you could bank on,

448
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: and Casario is kind of following those same sort of footsteps,

449
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: as you know a lot of the good gms have

450
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: and do around the NFL. There's there's nothing you're going

451
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: to get from pre draft interviews other than the media

452
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: being able to ask the questions that they've been sitting

453
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: on for a while, and obviously here lately that's been

454
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: the Deshaun question. But nobody in our building, no matter

455
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing in any way, shape or form, TV, radio, podcast, anything,

456
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: can say anything about about the Shawan. We don't really

457
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: want to be We can't and see, there isn't anything

458
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: that we can speak on, so we can't do it.

459
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: And so to your point about Rick, which I always

460
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: thought was funny, you would talk about drafting the corner

461
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: and once you have, you know, sort of a trend

462
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: that has been acknowledged not only by you know, the

463
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: people in your city, the media and your city, your

464
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: fans throughout the league. Like you know, you talk to

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: various people around the league, scouts and people that know

466
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: people and all that, you go, oh, well, you know

467
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: such and such GM as drafting alignment. They always draft

468
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: a lineman or they're looking for this. I guarantee you

469
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: around the league, everybody's like, oh, yeah, you know Rick's

470
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: draft in the corner. And Rick knew it, and so

471
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm gonna draft the corner, okay, and

472
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: then he would. You just didn't know when. And that

473
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: was obviously the biggest question that with Nick. We don't know.

474
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: We don't know whether he really likes quarterbacks. Maybe he

475
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: draft two of them. I mean, maybe he doesn't like

476
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: maybe he likes kickers. Maybe he drafts two of them.

477
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: The point being, we don't know what sort of trends

478
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Nick is going to have in the draft, but gms

479
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: develop them. I can tell you without a shadow down

480
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: just in watching Chris Ballard draft. He's gonna draft some

481
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: twitched up athletic dudes on the offensive and defensive line

482
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: at the linebacker positions. That's what he's that's what he's

483
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: looking for. And you know, when it comes to you know,

484
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: is he gonna draft a you know, a three hundred

485
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: and thirty five pound guard who's a little sloppy. No,

486
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: he can have probably draft a three hundred and five

487
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: rocked up athlete, because that's just that's been the trend,

488
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: and he's acknowledged it. He knows that's just part of

489
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: what the cults are are looking for. So there are

490
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: trends that GM's fall into, just like their coaches and

491
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: play calling, just like there are players out on the field,

492
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: you know. For Rick, it was one thing Nick, We'll

493
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: find out. We'll find out what it is. And I

494
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: just I love the fact that he just was like, look,

495
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm not telling you anything without even

496
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: without even saying it. He didn't, you know, he'd answer,

497
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: he'd answer the question without answering the question. And that's

498
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: what he is supposed to do. Kind of a dancing futility, yes,

499
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, for both sides. But yes, something that happens,

500
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: something you do every single year. All Right, With that

501
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: in mind, let's chit chat about defensive backs. You like,

502
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: give me three total that you think are going to

503
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: be around in the sixty seven range when the Texans

504
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: are picking you think would be nice fits not just

505
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: for this team, but really nice fits anywhere at corner

506
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: and safety. Who do you see? Well, I man, I

507
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: think this corner class is very, very good. I think

508
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: there are four guys that, to me, you could really

509
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: and if they're all healthy. And that's the key because

510
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: one of them the guy that that would be number

511
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: one on my board, and I bumped him down just

512
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: because I actually had the same surgery he did. Now

513
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older than he is, but it's taking

514
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: me a while to come back from it, and I

515
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: just don't know how quickly he's gonna be able to

516
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: get back in. That's Caleb Farley from Virginia's Tech. He

517
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: would be number one on my board. But the four

518
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: are Caleb Farley, Patrick Surtan the second, Greg Newsom the second,

519
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: and then maybe the most talented of the bunch is

520
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Jac Horn. Two NFL fathers with Patrick Surtan all pro

521
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: corner and then Jac Horne, whose father Joe Horn, was

522
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Those four stand out. They're the cream,

523
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: so they're in. They're in Tier one. I think those

524
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: guys are all first rounders. I think at the back

525
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: end the first round, you could again another NFL, NFL

526
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: former player's son, Sante Samuel Junior. Now, I would love

527
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: to see him available for US because you know, Santhey,

528
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Samuel Senior was drafted by the New England Patriots. Yes,

529
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: so there is obviously some recognition with Nick and obviously

530
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: Big Bell Check drafted him many many years ago. Santhe,

531
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Samuel little smaller than his dad. But I went in thinking, okay,

532
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: son of a son of a format front player. Let's

533
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: see boy. I came out of it really loved It's

534
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: notthey Samuel Junior, Eric Stokes, Tyson Campbell, both from Georgia,

535
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I think could be there at sixty seven. Like both

536
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: of them. It made him a little bit of Texans.

537
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: By a few mock drafts, Yes, I could see both.

538
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Either one of them would be I think a fantastic

539
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: pick at sixty seven. Let me give you one that

540
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I will be brutally honest. I love his brother, but

541
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: his brother just didn't pan out. His brother was a

542
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: safety and his brother actually played for the Patriots for

543
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. It just didn't come together. And I

544
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: don't know why. But when I watch the younger brother,

545
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: if you have to Melofon from Syracuse, the corner. When

546
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I went to the senior ball I was very intrigued

547
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: by watching him at the Senior Bowl, and when I

548
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: left the Senior Ball, I was kind of confused. I

549
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: was like, I can't, dang it, I can't. I can't

550
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: figure out whether I really like him, because there's a tendency,

551
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, for me too, when you've seen a younger brother,

552
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: older brother, whatever. You know, you see the older brother

553
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, why did that guy fail? I know

554
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: they're brothers that can be totally different, but a lot

555
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: of times it's the other way. It's like, oh, that

556
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: guy was a success. This guy's gonna be a success.

557
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: This brother was great, This brother's gonna be great too,

558
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: And it doesn't always happen that way. Well, Obie Malofon,

559
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: who was a safety at Yukon, was an athletic freakazoid,

560
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's got to translate. And then

561
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: it just never came together. Find out, okay why, and

562
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: then you realize, you know, he wasn't a guy that

563
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: loved football, that loved everything that went with it, apparently,

564
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: and you thought, okay, well, maybe his brother's wound this

565
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: way and they're trying to play him at corner and

566
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, big corners. You know, we've seen Lonnie

567
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Johnson go from corner to safety. Like, man, you had

568
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: as a big, bigger corner, two hundred and five pound,

569
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: almost sixty three corner. Man, you gotta be able to move.

570
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to slide your feet and run.

571
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: So I came back from the Senior Bowl and I

572
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: put him up on my list to say, this is

573
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: a guy you gotta watch. Okay, So about two weeks ago,

574
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm getting near the end of my second revision. He's

575
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: just staring me in the face. If yatu melfon move,

576
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Gotta study him, Like all right, gotta study him. Okay,

577
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: let's dive in, flip on, go back and watch every single,

578
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: every single one on one Senior Bowl rep. And I

579
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: remember the very first one. I pull up and I'm like, whoa,

580
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: those feet are fantastic. Then I pull up a couple

581
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: of games and I'm watching him in games and watch

582
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: him break on the ball, and I'm watching him move

583
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: and watching him in one on one coverage and watching him,

584
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, bring on the football from depth, play press,

585
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: play off zone, and I'm like, man, I really like

586
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: this guy. I ended up slotting my think like fifty

587
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: eight fifty nine, which is about the spot maybe that

588
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Justin Reid I had at forty

589
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: four I think, and he ended up going to sixty seven.

590
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: You know, Titus I had it like forty something. He

591
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: ended up going at twenty three. You just never know

592
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: what these things. But if yah to Malfond would from

593
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: out of Syracuse, I think at sixty seven would be

594
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: a bang up pick. You got a few others after that.

595
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Robert Rochelle from Cetral, Arkansas. I called a couple of

596
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: games when he younger, when he was freshman ce Arkansas,

597
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: can absolutely fly. He is a freak, but techniques all

598
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: over the place. He's got. He's got some growing to do.

599
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy to watch the later rounds.

600
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: And here's Aaron Robinson ucf' is not a guy I

601
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: loved like some other people. But he could play the

602
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: nickel spot. He could play an outside zone corner. I

603
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: think you could do that. Two other guys in the

604
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Harris one hundred MARKO Wilson from Florida. A lot of

605
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: people remember for the cleat throw against LSU. He is

606
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: wildly talented. If you can rain that in, He's gonna

607
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: end up being one way of a player and another

608
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of been off the radar screen just

609
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: because of injury, COVID opt out whatever is Paulson Adibo

610
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: from Stanford six one almost two hundred pounds, big, thick,

611
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: strong corner and he just hasn't played a ton of

612
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: football because of opt outs and because of injuries. So

613
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: I think once you get to the Campbell Stokes Melafon

614
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: area in that direction, I think you can end up

615
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: finding a corner that makes a lot of sense at

616
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: number sixty seven for sure. Interesting. Indeed, all right, go

617
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: check out the Harris one hundred. Go check out on

618
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Houston Texans dot com. Also the success stories at two one, two, two, three,

619
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: one nine five, because there have been players taken in

620
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: NFL history where the Texans are picking that have really

621
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: come up big and done great things in their career.

622
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Like the latest one I did was pick nine five

623
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: or one fifty eight, and Jay Novacek got taken by

624
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: the same Cardinals. Yeah, eighty five eighty six. Around eighty

625
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: five eighty six draft, he had been I don't know

626
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: if you remember this, you probably do because you know everything.

627
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: But at the University of Wyoming. He wasn't just a

628
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: great football player for them. They ran the ball most

629
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: of the time, but he was a good pass catcher.

630
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: He was also a decathlete, and he's like he had

631
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: set school records in the decatholic there for Wyoming. So

632
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: started his career with the Cardinals and was a planned

633
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: B free agent, which that whole thing. Remember that Cowboys

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Speaker 1: snapped him up in nineteen ninety. They had a losing season,

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Speaker 1: but they made a jump from the one win season

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Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty nine and then from ninety one through

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Speaker 1: ninety five they were playoff teams. They won three Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: they played in an NFC title game. Novachek was a big,

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Speaker 1: big part of all that. He was a real, you know,

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Speaker 1: just safety outlet for Troy Aikman, who you know, as

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Speaker 1: we all know, it was a whole favor. You're One

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Speaker 1: of the things that I've done, Drew, is I've gone

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Speaker 1: through and I've taken the Harris one hundred. It's turning

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Speaker 1: into Harris two fifty. I think I'm almost a two

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Speaker 1: sixty now and I've probably got another one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty or so I could put in there. But I

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Speaker 1: kind of stopped at two fifty something because that's where

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Speaker 1: the end of the draft is. And so you mentioned

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Speaker 1: pick number one fifty eight. So if we went by

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Speaker 1: just the Harris one hundred, pick number sixty seven would

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Speaker 1: be safety from Indiana, ballhawk Jamar Johnson from Indiana. I'd

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Speaker 1: be very very good with that pick. Our next pick

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Speaker 1: is one o nine correct, yep. That pick would be

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Speaker 1: an outside linebacker Charles Snowden. Now I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Texas would take him, because I do think he would

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Speaker 1: end up being more three four outside linebacker, but he

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Speaker 1: could play a stack off ball position. Almost sixty seven

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five pounds. Very interesting player. Our

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Speaker 1: next pick is one fifty eight, right, yep, Harris two

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Speaker 1: fifty would say, Isam McDuffie line from Boston College, who

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Speaker 1: I think would be a great fit. He reminds me

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Speaker 1: a little bit actually of KPL Kevin Pierre Lewis, the

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Speaker 1: Technans already have, but out of Boston College. He's a

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Speaker 1: whale of a player at will linebacker. You said one

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Speaker 1: ninety five is another one of our picks. Uh may wait,

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Speaker 1: you just threw me off there, saying because I think

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Speaker 1: we've missed one. It is sixty seven, one O nine,

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Speaker 1: one forty seven, and then one five eight from the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: one nine five from the Patriots, two oh three that's

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Speaker 1: from Miami, two one two is from the Saints, two

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Speaker 1: three three from Cincinnati. So the first three picks, round three,

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Speaker 1: round four, round five, those are the Texans original picks.

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Speaker 1: Everything from the fifth rounder from the Pats on through

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Speaker 1: the seventh all via trade with others teams. So they

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Speaker 1: dealt away theirs and they've got their third or fourth

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Speaker 1: from their fifth as well as they dealt away the

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Speaker 1: first and second, but that was back in the Larmie

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Speaker 1: Tunsil Kenny Stills deal. Yeah, you mentioned one forty seven.

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Speaker 1: This actually would be a really fun player I have

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Speaker 1: ranked here and that's why Hubert from my case State

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Speaker 1: defensive end who is a house of fire. He's got

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Speaker 1: some twitch, good pass rush moves. He is fun to

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Speaker 1: watch when you When I first saw him, I was like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: he's a tiny guy and you see him up close

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Speaker 1: and you're like, no, no no, no, he's not tiny. He's

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Speaker 1: six almost six three two sixty five and was one

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Speaker 1: of the better pass rushers in then. I could see

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Speaker 1: him playing in our forty three, but Lovey Smith wants

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Speaker 1: to run. He would be a really good fit. So

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Speaker 1: pick one forty seven. If it follows the Harris two

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Speaker 1: fifty why Hubert would end up being at Picking one

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Speaker 1: forty seven should be kind of fun. House of fire

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Speaker 1: from Kansas State. That sounds like another guy who's a

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Speaker 1: house of fire from Kansas State that works in the

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Speaker 1: building with us and Gavin, So of course, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can't have too many house of fires from Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: In fact, g squared himself. But hey, John, always fun

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Speaker 1: talking with you, and we'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be draft weeked then, can't wait. Oh it'll

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Speaker 1: be fun, man, look forward to it. Thank you, Drew, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Drew. Boy. It's fun doing that podcast. We've

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Speaker 1: been doing that now for about three or four years,

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Speaker 1: and it is. It's fun. I really love having your

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Speaker 1: opportunity to chop it up with Drew, and I think

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Speaker 1: our ultimate draft we did a few weekends back or

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Speaker 1: a few weeks back that we broke up in the

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Speaker 1: four parts. That was as fun of things we've ever

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Speaker 1: done together and in the lab and anything else. It

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Speaker 1: was a blast. But that was fun. Time talking about

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Speaker 1: the draft and it is eight days away. Man, I

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Speaker 1: cannot believe it. One week from tonight, I'll be doing

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Speaker 1: the show and then getting ready for the next day

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Speaker 1: being the Draft. Yes, the Texans don't draft on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but still I'll be on the air the

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Speaker 1: entire time and looking forward to it. Gonna be a

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Speaker 1: cast of characters with me, I know, Mark Vanimir and

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Speaker 1: a number of others, So looking forward to that. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna keep it locked in here at Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: six ten. We'll have it all for you right here now.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty of going on around the league, including some

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Speaker 1: rules changes and a voicecrack that I just gave you

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Speaker 1: that you'll absolutely love. We'll hit those rule changes, not

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Speaker 1: the voicecrack next right here on Texans All Axis on

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Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Texans All Access from the

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Speaker 1: Honday Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris. Glad

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Speaker 1: you are with me this evening. Today was a big

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Speaker 1: day as it pertains to rules and jerseys. I don't

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Speaker 1: know which one you want first, but I got a

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Speaker 1: few in jerseys was the one chance. The jersey change

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Speaker 1: was the one that probably was spoken about most on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: in particular with the players. What it all means? Now?

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Speaker 1: This was proposed by the Kansas City Chiefs, and I

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Speaker 1: know some people are like ah BFD, who cares? Now

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Speaker 1: here's the rule. Running backs defensive backs, I'm sorry. Defensive

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Speaker 1: backs can wear numbers one through forty nine. Running backs, fullbacks,

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Speaker 1: tight ends, h backs, and wide receivers one through forty nine,

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Speaker 1: and A through eighty nine. Linebackers one through fifty nine

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Speaker 1: and ninety through ninety nine offensive linem of defensive linement

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Speaker 1: didn't change. Those are the ones that didn't change at all.

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Speaker 1: So you're about to see a lot of defensive ends

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Speaker 1: that are gonna want to be outside linebackers. Like Chase

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Speaker 1: Young Washington football team defensive end, clearly defensive end. He

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Speaker 1: mayn't want to be an outside linebacker, so he can

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Speaker 1: go where number two like you wore in college at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, maybe not, who knows. I know you're thinking,

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00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: what's the big deal. Well, in the NFL, it was

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Speaker 1: a lot easier to id players based on their numbers

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Speaker 1: as opposed to what you thought they might be. For example,

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Speaker 1: if a guy was wearing a forty number and he

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Speaker 1: was kind of near the box, you knew that was

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Speaker 1: in the box safety. Like Dan Sawrenson from the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: he wears number forty nine. You knew that. Way back

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Speaker 1: in the day, forty nine applied to just safeties. Then

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Speaker 1: they change allowed linebackers to where forty then got a

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Speaker 1: little bit more complicated. It's going to get even more

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Speaker 1: complicated when you get linebackers that are coming to the league.

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Speaker 1: And I saw you quiz Rodgers. Former market Holiday Great

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Speaker 1: played at Organ State, was a legend organ State played

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. He said, yeah, this jersey change is

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Speaker 1: great until running backs got to try an idea linebacker

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Speaker 1: essentially in particular past protection, and he can't I D

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Speaker 1: him by the number because he doesn't know he's linebacker,

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Speaker 1: if he's a safety or what. So this one benefits

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Speaker 1: It benefits the defense in some sense, it benefits the

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Speaker 1: offense and another. So it's not I think made for

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Speaker 1: esthetics as much as it's there's some reason the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: wanted this, because the Chiefs are the ones that put

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Speaker 1: it that way, and if the Chiefs are proposing it,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking has something to do with offense. But there

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Speaker 1: is the downside to the jersey changes I just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: as Quiz pointed out, Man, you're a running back, you

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Speaker 1: got try an I D who's the safety, who's a linebacker,

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Speaker 1: who's a defensive and who's an outside linebacker. That gets very,

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Speaker 1: very tricky. But I did see a lot of players

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Speaker 1: they are saying, hey, look, give you that new number. Now,

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Speaker 1: apparently the changes may not take place this year because

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Speaker 1: of a financial issue. Here's what I mean. There are

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Speaker 1: people already that are out there buying particular jerseys Let's

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Speaker 1: take Odell Beckham junior for instance, hears number thirteen in

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Speaker 1: college or what number three? If he wants to change

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Speaker 1: the number three, he basically has to buy up all

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Speaker 1: of the number thirteen jerseys out there and then he

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Speaker 1: could wear the number three, or he could just do

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Speaker 1: it next year when they haven't produced any number thirteen

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Speaker 1: jerseys because he is moving to number three. There's a

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Speaker 1: financial component for guys that sell a lot of jerseys,

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Speaker 1: it can be pretty expensive. For some it may not

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Speaker 1: be a big deal. We'll see, but rule changes. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of single digit big dudes, as

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Speaker 1: in outside linebackers. You know, we're in a number twelve,

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Speaker 1: but you see a lot of carry over from college

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Speaker 1: to which should help some people like me who have

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Speaker 1: got accustomed to seeing them at a particular jersey number

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Speaker 1: and hopefully they stay in that jersey number. But we'll

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Speaker 1: see how this changes things going forward. May not be

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Speaker 1: earth shattering to a lot of people, but I know

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Speaker 1: for the players that were very, very excited, especially the

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Speaker 1: perimeter slash skill players to see this one go through.

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Speaker 1: There's some others as well that went through, but nothing

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Speaker 1: as earth shattering as the Jersey changes that will be

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Speaker 1: taking place, and defensive backfield at the linebacker position and

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Speaker 1: of course at running back, fullback, tight end, and wide

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Speaker 1: receiver as well. Big thanks to Mark, to Drew, to

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Speaker 1: all of you for this and thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time and as always, Go Texans.