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Speaker 2: The Wednesday edition of Balance of Power, I'm Joe Matthew

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Speaker 2: and Washington Kaylee Lines is on assignment as we pick

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Speaker 2: up the pieces from debate night, but also bring you

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Speaker 2: breaking news from Washington. Amazing how things can change in

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. We were talking at this time yesterday

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Speaker 2: about a looming vote on a stopgap measure that Speaker

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson had brought forth to extend to kick the

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Speaker 2: can on government funding six months down the road, knowing

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Speaker 2: that funding expires September thirty. This was not expected to

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Speaker 2: be easy. Tied with the Save Act Democrats didn't like,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't expected to pass the Senate even if it

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Speaker 2: did pass the House. Now it's not happening today, as

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Speaker 2: we report the Speaker talking to reporters earlier, there will

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Speaker 2: be no vote today on the short term spending plan

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Speaker 2: to avoid a government shutdown. They're going to work through

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Speaker 2: the weekend. It seems, in fact, we may not see

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Speaker 2: and this is going to be an interesting debate. Donald

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Speaker 2: for any stopgap unless it does come with the Save Act,

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Speaker 2: not in existence because it is already illegal for non

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Speaker 2: citizens to vote in elections. Now, that's where we start

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Speaker 2: our conversation with someone who had his eyes on the

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Speaker 2: debate last night, and of course was in Lower Manhattan

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Speaker 2: this morning on this anniversary of nine to eleven. That

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Speaker 2: would be Dan Goldman, Democratic congressman New York's tenth district,

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Speaker 2: with us live from Capitol Hill. Congressman, it's great to

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Speaker 2: see you. Thanks for coming back. Did Republicans rhetoric change

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Speaker 3: I don't actually think the debate had that much to

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Speaker 3: and it was playing more brinksmanship with a government shutdown,

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Speaker 2: Are you worried about a shutdown or is the Senate

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm always worried about a shutdown, but I think

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Speaker 3: the Democrats to pass a short term stop gap three

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Speaker 3: It's the definition of insanity to think that something will

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Speaker 2: This is a familiar feeling of afraid Congressman to your point.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think part of the point of actually doing

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Speaker 2: Well, if the idea here is then to do a

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Speaker 4: That is all you need to know.

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Speaker 3: This man coddles up to dictators and he undermines democracy

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because Kamala Harris said last night that

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Speaker 3: Well, that is factually correct, But then he withheld those

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Speaker 2: You know, you saw, Congressman Donald Trump was given several

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Speaker 2: Well, Congressman, you represent New York's tenth districts, and this

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Speaker 4: That still remains the case.

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Speaker 3: It's also a time to appreciate and remember all of

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Speaker 2: eleventh of September twenty twenty four. A lot of us

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Speaker 2: And you wonder if there is more that is needed

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Speaker 6: Well, I think there is an American instinct to understand

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Speaker 4: So we're not going to forget it anytime soon.

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Speaker 6: But relative to younger folks, I do believe that they

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Speaker 2: This is something the nation had to deal with, Governor,

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Speaker 4: They couldn't be more wrong.

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Speaker 6: You know, think about this. Not too long ago. There

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Speaker 2: As we spent time with former Pennsylvania Governor Mark Schweiker

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, individually speaking, I'm like most Americans. I'm

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Speaker 4: Last night's debate.

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Speaker 6: It, it's a bit of a reach to suggest that

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Speaker 4: But as I see it, Joe, we're.

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Speaker 6: In a situation now where we've got to be talking

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Speaker 6: We've got to talk about preserving Pennsylvania's economy, which is

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Speaker 6: So aside from what happened in Afghanistan, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to talk about that. Do you take

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Speaker 6: There are great misgivings about her seeming comfort years ago

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Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro, of course, is not one of them. I

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Speaker 2: think you're a fan of the governor. Is he the

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Speaker 4: Without question? I mean, Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 6: that regard federal attitude on some counts, and yes, as

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Speaker 4: Like here in Pennsylvania. If you remember, let's.

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Speaker 6: Look back a couple of years back, when Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 6: I see it, it's not the job of an officeholder

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Speaker 4: So I think they're going to have.

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Speaker 6: To step very carefully relative to and I think listen

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Speaker 2: Fascinating conversation, and it sounds like Kamala Harris has more

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Speaker 2: I only have thirty seconds. Governor is Tim Walls the

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Speaker 6: As I see it, his outlook is really all about

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Speaker 2: Rank Governor Mark Schweiker, the former governor of Pennsylvania, with

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Speaker 2: Lots changed since then, like the entire race. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us here on Balance of Power. I'm Joe Matthew

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Speaker 2: in Washington, the fastest show in politics, not slowing down

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Speaker 2: this day after the debate, even as we peak out

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Speaker 2: of one eye. I don't know if you were with

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Speaker 2: us for our special coverage last evening. We went through

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Speaker 2: this all together here with Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzano,

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Speaker 2: and I'm deeply curious to hear what's on their mind.

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Speaker 2: Having remember the moment he was right in the first

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Speaker 2: half hour, maybe the first twenty minutes, when Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: reached into the bag to pull something out that she

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Speaker 2: knew would upset Donald Trump. Of course, it came down

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Speaker 2: to crowd size last night. Let's listen.

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Speaker 7: You will see during the course of his rallies he

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Speaker 7: talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk

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Speaker 7: notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out

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Speaker 8: She said, people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies.

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Speaker 8: There's no reason to go. And the people that do go,

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Speaker 8: she's busting them in and paying them to be there.

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Speaker 2: The whole mood of the debate, the direction of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: The tone and tenor, and the body language all seemed

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Speaker 2: to change at that point. And here we are now

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Speaker 2: today looking at a series of headlines indicating Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: took the bait? How does the panel see it? They're

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Speaker 2: back with us, Jenny Shanze know and Rick Davis, as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, Genie of course, a senior Democracy Fellow with

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Speaker 2: the Center for the Study of Presidency in Congress and

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Speaker 2: political science professor at Iona University. Rick Davis, partner at

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Speaker 2: Stone Court Capital, Republican strategist. Great to see you both, Genie.

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Speaker 2: I was the guy questioning whether this was a worthy

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Speaker 2: effort here. Why not simply go out and lay at

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Speaker 2: your policy proposals, tell the American people what you want

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Speaker 2: to do with the country, instead of spending all this

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Speaker 2: time prepping on how to needle Donald Trump, get it

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Speaker 2: under his skin, trolling him before try to draw him

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Speaker 2: out on an open microphone. But was that in fact

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Speaker 2: the right strategy.

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Speaker 9: It was the right strategy. I think this was a

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Speaker 9: win for all of those of us who liked to prepare.

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Speaker 9: Kamala Harris was well prepped, well prepared, and she delivered.

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump, on the other hand, he looked something like

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Speaker 9: an incumbent president who's too busy to repair, doesn't take

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Speaker 9: this all that seriously, goes in there with one job

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Speaker 9: to do, define Donald to define rather Kamala Harris as

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Speaker 9: too liberal, too dangerously liberal, to be trusted with the

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Speaker 9: keys to the White House. And he simply could not

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Speaker 9: stick to that message. He kept getting distracted, and so

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Speaker 9: from that perspective, she certainly got the better of him,

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Speaker 9: consistently goading him into responding to things that, quite frank

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Speaker 9: they weren't going to help him, like crowd sizes.

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Speaker 2: Is it as simple as that, Rick, And did Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump perform any worse last night than he did in

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Speaker 2: the first debate?

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Speaker 10: You know, I think he did a little bit worse

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Speaker 10: this time.

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 10: You know, he didn't quote take the bait in the

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Speaker 10: first debate. He was driving the messaging against Joe Biden,

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Speaker 10: and Joe Biden was taking the bait and trying to

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Speaker 10: respond to his outlandish claims and in many cases nonfactual statements.

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Speaker 10: So you know, never answer a lie with a fact.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it just doesn't make sense in a debate.

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Speaker 10: But I think there was a bit of an elegance

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Speaker 10: to the way that Kamala Harris did the debate, and

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Speaker 10: that was not only did she trol Trump, bait him

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Speaker 10: things that drive his ego, like crowd size, but then

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Speaker 10: she tied that kind of behavior into how authoritarians like

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Speaker 10: Putin and she can take advantage of him. And I

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Speaker 10: didn't really notice it that much in real time, but afterwards,

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Speaker 10: I really thought through the whole approach to the debate

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Speaker 10: was very comprehensive in that she proved to Trump, to voters,

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Speaker 10: to viewers that Trump could take debait, that he would

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Speaker 10: be able to be played like that. And then she said,

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Speaker 10: and others who don't have America's interests in mind play

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Speaker 10: him the same way. And I thought, wow, that's a

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Speaker 10: really interesting construct that they did, because it's a little subtle,

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you both on the moderators, because

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Speaker 2: you know, we're all hearing, and we were hearing before

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Speaker 2: we left the air last night. Three on one is

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Speaker 2: the take of the Trump campaign. Senator Lindsey Graham tweeted,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this earlier. The moderators might as well be

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Speaker 2: on the DNC payroll. This is ridiculous. This is the

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Speaker 2: worst moderated debate in history. Genie, is he right?

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Speaker 9: No, you know, I don't think it's the worst in history.

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Speaker 9: I think Candy Crowley probably still owns that mantle. Love Candy,

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Speaker 9: I think she still owns that one. But you know,

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Speaker 9: there was points at which you could nitpick and say

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Speaker 9: that they were fact checking Trump more than they were

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Speaker 9: fact checking Harris. Harris did make some misstatements. The one

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Speaker 9: that stood out to me had to do with the

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Speaker 9: bloodbath comment. She took it out of context, could have

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Speaker 9: been fact checked. But that said, her comments were not

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Speaker 9: as egregious as Donald Trump's were, and so that is

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Speaker 9: the result of that. So yeah, I think you can

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Speaker 9: nitpick on the moderators, but the reality is Donald Trump

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Speaker 9: did himself no favors in this debate. We have long said,

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Speaker 9: and I will stand by this through the election. Whoever

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Speaker 9: this election is about is going to lose. That was

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Speaker 9: true when it was Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 9: Same thing for Harris and Trump. And last night Donald

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Speaker 9: Trump made it all about Donald Trump. And that is

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Speaker 9: a problem. This is an egotistical guy. He does not

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Speaker 9: want to make this about Kamala Harris. But that's unfortunately

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Speaker 9: what he needs to do. Define her, talk about how

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Speaker 9: liberal she is, talk about issues he wins on, like

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Speaker 9: the economy, like security, like immigration, like inflation. He tried,

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Speaker 9: but he just couldn't get out of his own way.

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Speaker 9: So you know, I don't think you can blame the

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Speaker 9: moderators for that as much, again as you can nitpick

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Speaker 9: on little things. I think both the no moderators candled

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Speaker 9: it as well as can be expected live broadcast. That's

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Speaker 9: awfully difficult to do.

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Speaker 2: Rick they did fact check Donald Trump four times on abortion,

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Speaker 2: the idea of a post birth abortion, claims about Haitian

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Speaker 2: immigrants eating dogs and people's pets, violent crime going up

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Speaker 2: when it was down in the twenty twenty election, whether

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Speaker 2: it was stolen? Should they have fact checked Kamala Harris more?

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Speaker 2: Should they have fact checked Donald Trump less? One thing

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Speaker 2: I did notice is that the moderators let Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: bend the rules a lot more. He managed to roll

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Speaker 2: What's your thought, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, overall, I thought that the moderators did a

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Speaker 10: great job. Donald Trump's maybe the hardest presidential contestant in

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Speaker 10: a debate ever to manage, and by and large, most

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Speaker 10: of the moderators that have had to moderate Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: presidential debates have failed miserably. And I would point, you

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Speaker 10: know to my good friend Jake Tapper and the CNN

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Speaker 10: debate just you know, a couple months ago that was

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Speaker 10: a disaster, and they had a gloves off polow see,

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Speaker 10: they let him say whatever he wanted to say, and

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Speaker 10: it went unchecked. I think the four things you mentioned,

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Speaker 10: I think our friend Lindsey Graham would actually never say

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Speaker 10: those things because he knows them to be untrused. And

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Speaker 10: so I'm not sure what part of that that he

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Speaker 10: would disagree with. On the second, on the other hand,

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Speaker 10: and you make a good point, there were some things

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Speaker 10: that the Matters could have fact checked Kamala Harris on.

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Speaker 10: But then again, the Harris campaign has a right to

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Speaker 10: be complaining about the fact that she was cut off repeatedly.

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Speaker 10: And Donald Trump, I don't think it was ever cut off.

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Speaker 10: They let him go on and on. He added, question,

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Speaker 10: you know, responses to everything that Kamala Harris said, even

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Speaker 10: though it wasn't in the rules to do that. And

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Speaker 10: so look, I mean, these things are an art, they're

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Speaker 10: not a science. The rules are set up to manage guardrails,

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Speaker 10: not to dictate every activity in a debate, and for

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Speaker 10: a network to do this, which is hard to do,

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Speaker 10: and for the contestants to be willing to go in

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Speaker 10: without an audience, with microphones turned off and all the

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Speaker 10: rules that were I thought it was I thought it

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Speaker 10: was a very well run debate. We should aspire to

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Speaker 10: have these kinds of debates all the time, where if

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Speaker 10: you lie, you get called out and you have plenty

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Speaker 10: of time to make your case. And that is the case.

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Speaker 10: Even the fact that they extended the time of the

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Speaker 10: debate outrageous, right, I mean, like, nobody ever does that. Oh,

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Speaker 10: let's give you another ten minutes. Right at that hour,

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Speaker 10: I was ready for bed. But I thought it was

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Speaker 10: actually a really great decision. People could take a lot

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Speaker 10: from that, And I thought.

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Speaker 2: This is this.

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Speaker 10: I thought it exceeded my expectations when it comes to

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Speaker 10: creating a forum for both the candidates to be able

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Speaker 10: to make their case.

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Speaker 2: There's a phrase we hear in the newsroom sometimes or

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Speaker 2: in the studio, blow the brake, because sometimes you have

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Speaker 2: to go into overtime. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: They were with us for the Big dance last night.

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Speaker 2: They'll be back with our two here on balance of Power,

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Speaker 2: as we will welcome our global TV audience to the

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Speaker 2: conversation the big question a lot of us have. They're

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Speaker 2: going to be another one. Kind of felt like it

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Speaker 2: last night that Donald Trump might want to come back

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Speaker 2: around and maybe take another swing at this here. The

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Speaker 2: Harris campaign was welcoming it within minutes. Let's do that again,

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Speaker 2: said Brian Fallon on Twitter, within moments of the debate ending.

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Speaker 2: But this kind of took on a new wrinkle this

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Speaker 2: morning Fox and Friends, Donald Trump qualifying this idea. Fox

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Speaker 2: has now floated a couple of dates to potentially do

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Speaker 2: a second round in October. But it's very difficult to

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Speaker 2: tell where we stand on that, and that's why we

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Speaker 2: want to bring in Tyler Kendall. God blessed. Tyler is

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Speaker 2: still in Philadelphia, having been there for the duration yesterday

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Speaker 2: reporting for Bloomberg and producing our great coverage last night. Tyler,

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Speaker 2: it is great to see you. What are you hearing

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Speaker 2: on the ground this morning in Philadelphia?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Hey, Joe, so new this morning former President Trump

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Speaker 11: casting out on whether or not there will be a

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Speaker 11: second debate, saying that he's not inclined to do one after,

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Speaker 11: as you mentioned, the Harris campaign challenged him to one

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Speaker 11: after last night's quickly concluded. We started to hear this

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Speaker 11: messaging from Republicans pretty quickly after the debate last night

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Speaker 11: in the Spin room, including from former President Trump himself,

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Speaker 11: who made a surprise visit to US reporters in the

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Speaker 11: Spin room, holding this impromptu press conference where he repeatedly

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Speaker 11: said that if Harris has to do a second debate,

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Speaker 11: that must mean that she has more explaining to do

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Speaker 11: on her policies, but that he doesn't necessarily feel like

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Speaker 11: he needs to do that. I heard pretty similar messaging

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Speaker 11: from most Republicans sort gets in the room last night.

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Speaker 11: That includes Senator Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida, of course,

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Speaker 11: a former presidential candidate himself, someone we know was on

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Speaker 11: the vice presidential shortlist for Trump's campaign. I asked him

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Speaker 11: if Trump should engage and have a second debate. Take

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Speaker 11: a listen to what he told me.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I think you would do fine in a

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Speaker 12: second debate. I think it's interesting she wants one. Usually, look,

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Speaker 12: if you're winning. I've done debates. If you're winning a

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Speaker 12: Why do you want to expose yourself to something going

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 11: Democrats, for their part, were incredibly eager to try to

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Speaker 11: to fill the spin room floor. It shouldn't start. Contrast

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Speaker 11: But Joe, I will quickly mention that one person who

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Speaker 11: bloomed pretty large but was not in the spin room

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Speaker 11: was Taylor Swift and her endorsement of Vice President Kamala

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Speaker 11: Hair shortly after the debate ended. That was pretty much

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Speaker 11: a huge talker in the spin room last night as

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Speaker 11: Democrats cheered the endorsement. But for his part, Former President

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump was asked about it this morning and he

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Speaker 11: said that he's not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Not a fan. I thought he was working on that

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Speaker 2: endorsement Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Thank god.

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Speaker 2: Tyler came on to mention, I haven't even mentioned Taylor

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Speaker 2: Swift this hour. I am remiss. Thank you, Tyler. It

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Speaker 2: travels safe to get home Tyler Kendall in Philadelphia this

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Speaker 2: day after the debate.

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Speaker 2: It was in the first what ten minutes we got

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Speaker 2: to inflation, the issues of the economy. We did hear

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Speaker 2: from both candidates. Let's go to Philadelphia, Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: My plan is to give a fifty thousand dollars tax

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Speaker 7: deduction to start up small businesses, knowing they are part

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Speaker 7: of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the

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Speaker 7: other hand, his plan is to do what he has

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Speaker 7: done before, which is to provide a tax cut for

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Speaker 7: billionaire and big corporations.

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Speaker 8: We've had a terrible economy because inflations, which is really

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Speaker 8: known as a country buster it breaks up countries. We

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Speaker 8: have inflation like very few people have ever seen before,

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Speaker 8: probably the worst in our nation's history. This has been

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Speaker 8: a disaster for people, for the middle class.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a country buster or who

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Speaker 2: calls it that, but it's a problem for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned, if this had taken place yesterday,

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Speaker 2: CPI that is that conversation might have gone a bit

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Speaker 2: differently here. This is something that has tested obviously very

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Speaker 2: poorly for Kamala Harris. Look at our own Bloomberg News

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Speaker 2: Swing State Pole with Morning Console. This is the issue

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump beyond any other except maybe the border. People

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Speaker 2: trust Donald Trump more when it comes to how to

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Speaker 2: handle the economy, when it comes how to handle infrastrates,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to lowering prices. At least that was

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Speaker 2: the narrative going into last night. Did that change it all?

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of questions for Frank Lunz. What

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Speaker 2: a great day to spend time with, mister Luntz politics

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Speaker 2: communications consultant Polster, CEO of fil Frank, thanks for being

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Speaker 2: up with us. It was a late night for everybody.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, I want to go around the

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Speaker 2: horn with you here for a minute. It's great to

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Speaker 2: have you on the matter of the economy as we

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Speaker 2: look at the CPI data this morning. I saw you

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Speaker 2: talking about markets earlier today. Did Kamala Harris convince anyone

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Speaker 2: that she was the one to be best trusted with

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Speaker 2: this issue.

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Speaker 13: It's a great question. I don't really think so. But

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Speaker 13: she still performed much better than Donald Trump. Let's be

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Speaker 13: completely accurate. She did not provide significant detail. She did

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Speaker 13: not explain step by step what she's going to do

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Speaker 13: starting on inauguration day. She's still very, very light with

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Speaker 13: the details, but she answered the questions and we do

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Speaker 13: get an idea of where her priorities are. In Trump's case,

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Speaker 13: when they asked him about his strongest issue, for some reason,

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Speaker 13: he pivoted to immigration, and when they came back to it,

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Speaker 13: he was talking about some other issue. There's a rule

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Speaker 13: of politics which is if you're defining the election, you're

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Speaker 13: winning the election. And he absolutely did not do that

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Speaker 13: last night. In fact, he gave away the definitions where

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Speaker 13: he was strongest. So I don't think it was pretty

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Speaker 13: I don't think last night was a good night for America,

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Speaker 13: and I know it was not a good night for

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: The headlines this morning are something, if only in their continuity.

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Speaker 2: Frank Trump takes. The bait is everywhere. It doesn't matter,

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Speaker 2: it seems where you're looking here. The New York Post

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Speaker 2: headline is cambush. Are they deserved?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 13: And then deserved because you should have known better. She's

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Speaker 13: never had a podium like this. She's never had this opportunity.

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Speaker 13: He did it in twenty sixteen, he did it in

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty. He's had the experience. Let me differentiate here

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Speaker 13: because I want to be careful. His campaign in twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty four is better than the previous two. The candidate

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Speaker 13: is what's worse. The campaign is running comparative ads. The

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Speaker 13: campaign is focused on what Trump should be focused on

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Speaker 13: to win the selection. But the candidates, I don't know

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Speaker 13: what it's like. He didn't attend debate prep, or he

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Speaker 13: didn't listen, or he didn't learn. I believe that most

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Speaker 13: high school student body presidents would have out debated Donald

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Speaker 13: Trump last night, and I don't say that easily. And

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Speaker 13: in the end, food and fuel, housing, in healthcare, the

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Speaker 13: sense of insecurity, the policies that matter most to Americans.

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump is the advantage as she started to say

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Speaker 13: in the introduction, but you want to have known that

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Speaker 13: last night, because that's not how he communicated. And in fact,

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Speaker 13: I think it was so bad that it is quite

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Speaker 13: possible that Harris will never agree to stand up next

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Speaker 13: to him again. And then this came Pain is over.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your thoughts on the moderators in a

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Speaker 2: moment here, Frank, because I keep hearing three verses one.

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Speaker 2: But when I woke up this morning, the same thing

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Speaker 2: was trending on Twitter. Then when I went to Better

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Speaker 2: around two o'clock in the morning, they're eating the dogs.

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Speaker 2: People talk about, you know, the takeaways, the historic moments

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Speaker 2: from the big campaigns. You're no John Kennedy, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever it might be. That's apparently the moment we're gonna

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Speaker 2: remember from the campaign They're eating the dogs. Was that

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Speaker 2: the moment that he lost.

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Speaker 13: That's the moment when people looked each other and said,

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Speaker 13: what the hell. When we actually had to get a check,

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Speaker 13: we had to look at the transcript because it was

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Speaker 13: so insane. And of course Trump is not going to

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Speaker 13: back down. Of course, he's not going to admit that

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Speaker 13: he made a mistake, and he's not going to acknowledge

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Speaker 13: that he got this wrong because he doesn't do it.

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Speaker 13: He was given the opportunities several times last night to

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Speaker 13: acknowledge what every other American acknowledges, humility, decency, that you're

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Speaker 13: not perfect. Well, here's the good news for Trump. He'll

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Speaker 13: continue to complain that he's perfect and other people have

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Speaker 13: got it wrong, and he'll be doing it from mar

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Speaker 13: A Lago, not from the White House. I can't begin

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Speaker 13: to tell you how poor a performance he exhibited for

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Speaker 13: the American people. Now, his conclusion was very strong, but

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Speaker 13: the opening and for the first hour and almost hour

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Speaker 13: and a half that people just scratching their heads wondering

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Speaker 13: what is up here? Is he actually trying to lose

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Speaker 13: that no human being could could with his experience, could

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Speaker 13: actually be as ineffective, could could say things calling Victor

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Speaker 13: Orbron one of the great leaders in the world. Is

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Speaker 13: I'm literally speechless, and I've never been speechless. I'm bloomberg

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Speaker 13: and never been speechless in politics. It is so absolutely unfathomable.

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Speaker 13: But that's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 2: You made a great point about the closing statements, Frank,

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Speaker 2: this thing went into overtime, by the way, if he

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Speaker 2: didn't watch it in real time. They got their second

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Speaker 2: commercial break, and all of a sudden, we're going five

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Speaker 2: minutes late time for closing statements. And Donald Trump said

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Speaker 2: something that I expected he was going to say, at

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Speaker 2: the very beginning of the debate. If you have all

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Speaker 2: these good ideas for helping average Americans, why haven't you

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Speaker 2: implemented them in the last three and a half years

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Speaker 2: that you've been in the White House. Frank, why didn't

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Speaker 13: And because he was just so poorly prepped or he's

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Speaker 13: just really bad at this. We forget that he's old.

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Speaker 13: That we made fun of Joe Biden for being eighty

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Speaker 13: one and Trump is almost eighty, and that he's not

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Speaker 13: the same person that he was eight years ago or

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Speaker 13: four years ago. Probably he forgot. Probably his irritability wasn't

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Speaker 13: just Harris getting under his skin, but it's simply we

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Speaker 13: know older people. Probably I've done it. Then we get

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Speaker 13: agitated and irritated if things don't go our way, we

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Speaker 13: become more impatient. But you're not supposed to do that

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Speaker 13: when you're running for president. You're not supposed to You're

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Speaker 13: supposed to be have self control. And we didn't see

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Speaker 13: how many people are telling Trump the truth because I've

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Speaker 13: seen the tweets he's been sending out. He says it's

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Speaker 13: his best debate ever. If he really believes that, then

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Speaker 13: he actually is in real trouble emotionally, intellectually, and physically.

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Speaker 2: Well. He does say that this was three on one,

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Speaker 2: and he's not the only one saying that this morning, Frank,

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the moderators, Lindsey Graham tweeted after the debate,

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Speaker 2: the moderators might as well be on the DNC payroll.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. This is the worst moderated debate in

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Speaker 2: him history. The fact is they fact checked Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: four times during that debate, First on abortion when he

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Speaker 2: said that it was legal in some states to kill

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Speaker 2: a baby after it was born, the claims about Haitian immigrants.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned eating people's pets, violent crime, it's up, as

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Speaker 2: you know, the FBI said it was down. And then

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Speaker 2: the stop the Steal thing twenty twenty, whether he actually

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Speaker 2: won the election, was that a justified effort to fact

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Speaker 2: check him? In real time? He's complimenting CNN this morning, Frank,

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Speaker 2: should they have stopped down and fact checked Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: more than what we saw last night.

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Speaker 13: Look perceptions reality, and if the perception is that the

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Speaker 13: moderators are biased, then there's something that's not right about

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Speaker 13: what's happening. ABC had every right to hold people accountable.

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Speaker 13: The public has every right to hear the truth, and

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Speaker 13: the politicians have every response ability to tell the truth.

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Speaker 13: There's no attribute or value more important than the truth

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Speaker 13: in these debates, conversations, and in the debate itself. And

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Speaker 13: they found what Trump was saying to be wanting to

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Speaker 13: be questionable. Should they have done the same thing to Harris? Absolutely?

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Speaker 13: And it did come across as being one sided, and

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Speaker 13: maybe that's because of the things that Trump said. I'm

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Speaker 13: actually surprised that no one has asked me even up

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Speaker 13: to now, why is it that both Mike's returned on

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Speaker 13: why is it you could actually hear the crosstalk between

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Speaker 13: the two candidates that was part of the rules, and

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Speaker 2: Talking about it. They did reserve the right to do that,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad they let it happen at least for

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Speaker 2: a moment. Frank, I wish I had more time with you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your insights as always Frank Lunz this day

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Speaker 2: after the debate fil and of course the familiar voice

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Speaker 2: to our viewers and listeners here on Bloomberg. I'm Joe

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Speaker 2: Matthew in Washington.

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Speaker 2: So much on this eleventh of September. We thank you

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Speaker 2: Live as we bring the program to you live from

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Speaker 2: Washington just hours it feels like, well about twelve hours

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Speaker 2: after we left here after the Grand Debate last night,

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Speaker 2: that we're going to be talking a lot more about

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Speaker 2: with some words, not a lot of specifics, in terms

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Speaker 2: of policy delivered on Ukraine, on Israel, other matters of

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Speaker 2: foreign policy, including the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. But it

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Speaker 2: is Ukraine we want to begin with with our colleague

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Speaker 2: from the Pentagon, Tony Capasio, who's with us today. Following,

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Speaker 2: of course, he had another important and emotional ceremony at

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon this morning. Ukraine asking the US and the

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Speaker 2: UK for that matter, and this has been going on

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Speaker 2: months to allow to be able to use Western made

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Speaker 2: weapons offensively against Russia, beyond the cross border incursion that's

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Speaker 2: already been had. Now add Ben Carden's voice to the story,

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Speaker 2: of course, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair. He says the

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Speaker 2: US must act swiftly to ease these restrictions on Ukraine's

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Speaker 2: use of US provided weapons against Russia, calling for greater

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Speaker 2: flexibility in his statement to target Russian military assets to

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Speaker 2: degrade Moscow's ability to harm the Ukrainian people. It's got

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Speaker 2: a lot in common right now with some Republicans House

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Speaker 2: Armed Services Committee Chair Mike Rogers, House Foreign Affairs Committee

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Speaker 2: Chair Michael McCall making the same call. And you wonder

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Speaker 2: if we are getting close to something, as we've seen

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Speaker 2: this movie before. First it's a no, then it's a maybe,

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Speaker 2: then it ends up being a yes, it seems eventually,

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Speaker 2: whether we're talking about Abrams tanks or F sixteen's Tony.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you. Thank you for being available.

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Speaker 2: On what I know is a busy day for you.

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Speaker 2: Are we about to see evolution in these restricts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my impression that the attacking is issue is

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Speaker 5: going to fall next. The issue these the longer range

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Speaker 5: missiles that they actually gave these two Ukraine in March.

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Speaker 5: They stealthily gave them to them as part of any

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Speaker 5: arms package that they didn't disclose until weeks eleven.

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Speaker 2: Been asked for months to provide them, right, these are

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Speaker 2: the longer range versions.

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Speaker 5: Back in October they started using the shorter range versions

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Speaker 5: with a lot of effectiveness in Crimea, and the longer

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Speaker 5: range versions they've now been using in Crimea and other

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Speaker 5: parts of Ukraine and then the narrow pocket in the

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Speaker 5: north into Russia that the White House allowed. The debate

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Speaker 5: now is whether to allow them to go longer into Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's going to that's going to change

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Speaker 5: interesting other on the sub on below the surface, they

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Speaker 5: have F sixteen's, but also the White House is reviewing

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Speaker 5: whether to give them the jazz and long arranged cruise missile,

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Speaker 5: stealthy cruise missile that has qualified on US aircraft that

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Speaker 5: can go like three or four five hundred miles within

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Speaker 5: and it's a very precise coordinate, has GPS coordinates that

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Speaker 5: could destroy Russian bombers that drop these glide bombs at

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Speaker 5: their basis. If in fact the administration allows that, that

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Speaker 5: will be a bigger kahuna, so to speak, than the

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Speaker 5: attack them's almost.

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Speaker 2: How about that. We have no indication on where the

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Speaker 2: administration is in this evolution, do we, or whether Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris sees this differently than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: No, she's not going to go differently on this subject.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she is the vice president. She doesn't make

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Speaker 5: the policy on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: She advises, but were she elected, you wonder if she

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Speaker 2: might see it differently.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking that it would continue. There's to be continuity there.

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Speaker 5: I don't see any great change. But the Jazzam decision

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Speaker 5: will be a big one, almost bigger than the attack

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Speaker 5: ems issue. But they have attack thems now know how

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Speaker 5: to use them. Jasms of pilots out of sixteens would

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Speaker 5: have to learn how to use them. So there's a

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Speaker 5: learning curve figure picture.

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Speaker 2: With the weapon systems that we've mentioned that we were

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Speaker 2: told were maybe not appropriate or useful or most efficient

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Speaker 2: for Ukraine. I mentioned the abrams tanks, the F sixteen's.

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Speaker 2: Have people been proven wrong or are these toys that

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Speaker 2: are kind of hanging around that aren't being used.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, no, they're being modified. In fact, Kamala Harrison

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Speaker 5: her weapons last night that she talked about in terms

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Speaker 5: of beefing up Ukraine and US, she actually mentioned the

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Speaker 5: Abrams in one of her sentences. Well, no, My understanding

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Speaker 5: is the Ukrainians. Ukrainians have used have come up with

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Speaker 5: ways to protect the Abrams from Kamakazi drones in terms

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Speaker 5: of top cover on the tanks and on the bradley.

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Speaker 5: So there's been no great stories saying that the bradleys

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Speaker 5: haven't been effective where Abrams haven't been affected. The issue

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Speaker 5: is maneuver and visibility. Drones take a lot of that

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Speaker 5: away in terms of you know where the tanks the

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Speaker 5: ground systems are.

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Speaker 2: Interesting to what extent is this argument over government funding

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Speaker 2: going to become a challenge for the Pentagon. I know

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Speaker 2: I'm sneaking up on you on this, but I keep

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Speaker 2: hearing Chair of Armed Services the Pentagon itself a six

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Speaker 2: month stopgap will impact readiness. What do they say? What

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Speaker 2: do they mean when they say that?

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Speaker 5: What it means is that certain funding will not be allocated.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure how operations and maintenance would be effected

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Speaker 5: or pay what would be effected A new contracts, for sure,

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Speaker 5: and the columns.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much of that is blustering you. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about this in a budget debate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is this has been the least. This happens

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Speaker 5: every year, every year, annually. The Pentagon's learn to adjust

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Speaker 5: GEO did a good The General Government Accountability Office did

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Speaker 5: a pretty good report a couple of years ago, three

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Speaker 5: four years ago, talking about how the Pentagons learned to

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Speaker 5: work around these restrictions. So it's not as cataclysmic as

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Speaker 5: it once was, but the language of cataclysm continues. It's

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Speaker 5: just I'm skeptical of how impactful it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, a year.

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Speaker 5: Would be bad, Yes, sure a year would be bad,

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Speaker 5: but the troops would they would get paid. It's new

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Speaker 5: contracts would not be issued, and there would be impacts

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Speaker 5: on current contracts. But it's not new contracts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just know nobody follows the money quite like

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Speaker 2: you do at the Pentagon. I bet you. I thought

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Speaker 2: the same thing that you did when I walked out

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Speaker 2: the front door this morning, go out to walk the dog.

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Speaker 2: You're going to work or whatever it was, walk out

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Speaker 2: the front door. The weather was exactly today like it

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Speaker 2: was twenty three years ago. You're right, it was crystal

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Speaker 2: blue sky, the crisp fall air. It's been twenty three

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Speaker 2: years since nine to eleven. You were going to work

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Speaker 2: that day, coming up the escalator when everybody was coming

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Speaker 2: down there. You can take the metro. People should know

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Speaker 2: to the Pentagon, right. What do you remember from that?

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Speaker 5: I remember pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Did you get in the building.

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Speaker 5: We didn't get into the building. I was going up

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Speaker 5: the escalators, which no longer exist, by the way, ye did.

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Speaker 2: The walls all.

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Speaker 5: Blocked off and the people were coming down the other two.

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Speaker 5: It was urgent, but it wasn't panic. And I heard

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Speaker 5: some people say they'll get out of the buildings about

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Speaker 5: the blow. Nobody knew what happened.

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Speaker 2: Had been struck, but it had been start.

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Speaker 5: But just so you know, we were on the opposite

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Speaker 5: end where the plane hit. It was the day of

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Speaker 5: the Locusts, so to speak. Your phones were crickets. You

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Speaker 5: heard crickets. I had a motoroll of Star Tech. Nobody

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Speaker 5: had smartphones, by the way. We had beepers, yes, we did.

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Speaker 5: For hours and hours. Nobody really knew in that area

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Speaker 5: it was a war zone. In other parts of the

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Speaker 5: building where I was, people were milling, kind of mindlessly

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Speaker 5: milling and confused. We did watch the wedge fall. I

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Speaker 5: was with Tom Bowman, then with the Baltimore Son We

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Speaker 5: were interviewing a guy was in tattered clothing. So it

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Speaker 5: wasn't panic. There wasn't a lot of knowledge. It wasn't

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Speaker 5: untill later in the day that we knew that a

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Speaker 5: plane had hit. But why that wedge just collapsed? It

1028
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Speaker 5: looked like a prize fighter. I told another reporter, well,

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Speaker 5: its teeth knocked out, but the boxer was still standing.

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Speaker 2: Incredible. You've then spent many hours, of course, going through

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Speaker 2: news conferences. I'll never forget walking home. I was in

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Speaker 2: the press building at that time and walking home down

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Speaker 2: the center lane of Connecticut Avenue without a car in site.

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Speaker 2: Is this something that we'll never quite forget, that feeling

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Speaker 2: in Washington by the end of the day, But before

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Speaker 2: those quiet moments came and it was the confusion, the madness.

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Speaker 2: How long was it because we don't have photographs of

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Speaker 2: that impact outside for some stray security camera. Oh how

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Speaker 2: long until you realize what had happened at the Pedaga.

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Speaker 5: It was later that day I was someone pointed to

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Speaker 5: me an FBI agent who knew what was going on.

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Speaker 5: So I ran up to this FBI agent and he

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Speaker 5: turned out to be he worked for US at WUSA nine.

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Speaker 5: He put his and he drove away. He says, I'll

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Speaker 5: talk to you later. So he came back to me

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Speaker 5: later and he gave me a great quote. He actually

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Speaker 5: saw the plane hit. He said, I could see those

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Speaker 5: double as hitting on the plane as it hit the Pentagon.

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Speaker 5: We used a quote in one of our stories, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was it was. The knowledge was there was no

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Speaker 5: knowledge of what happened. Basically, you thought it was a bomb.

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Speaker 5: You thought it was a bomb. I was there till

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Speaker 5: like two in the morning covering a lot of this,

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Speaker 5: and then I covered the Rumsfeldt Henry Shelton press conference.

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Speaker 5: Rumsfelt was very Secretary.

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Speaker 2: Of Defense that night, Yes he was.

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Speaker 5: He said the Pentagon will be open for business the

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Speaker 5: next day.

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Speaker 2: And it was really something. You still were There were

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who were in the building less

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Speaker 2: less and less well. I believe that. And what does

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Speaker 2: it mean though? And it's twenty three years later on

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Speaker 2: a morning like this President of the United States comes by

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Speaker 2: for the memorial.

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Speaker 5: Well, it gives you a sense of the vulnerability of

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Speaker 5: institutions about that and the need for eternal vigilance. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to sound too much like a falk here,

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Speaker 5: but the need for vigilance and the resilience of a

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Speaker 5: human spirit to not only take that tragedy and conculcate it,

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Speaker 5: but keep moving on and keep working.

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Speaker 2: And the building.

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Speaker 5: The building was functional the next day. It's full of

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Speaker 5: smoke in the National Guard armed National Guard, but we

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Speaker 5: found out they didn't have bullets in their eclips, but

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Speaker 5: their built flames are still billowing in parts of the

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Speaker 5: building and clouds of smoke and accurately ugly smoke. So

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Speaker 5: the human spirit survived that day, and you know it

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Speaker 5: was It was a day of resilience that Americans can

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Speaker 5: be proud of.

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Speaker 2: This is why I wanted you to come on today,

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Speaker 2: because this is the stuff that informs your worldview. I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget up but Arlington, you could go up there

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Speaker 2: and look down at the blue drape for a long

1084
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Speaker 2: time before that was repaired. I was on the other

1085
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Speaker 2: side of the river from you, and I came out

1086
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Speaker 2: of Metro Center. I was underground when the Pentagon was

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Speaker 2: hit and I came out to the sound of fighter jets,

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Speaker 2: saw the smoke, and you said it perfectly. People thought

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Speaker 2: it was a bomb. They thought I remember there was

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Speaker 2: a report that the State Department had been bombed that day.

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Speaker 2: It was the confusion in that moment that's hard to forget.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's it was an undocumented crime because nobody

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Speaker 5: had cell phones. I had to buy I ended up

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Speaker 5: buying three rolls of quarters from the Ritz Carlton guest shop.

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Speaker 2: I skiv you down. That's a real reporter.

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Speaker 5: I skiv you down from a highway spider walked down.

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Speaker 5: I borrowed twenty bucks from a flack I knew who

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Speaker 5: he was standing buy Macy's and I bought three rolls

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Speaker 5: of quarters, and we use that throughout the day to

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Speaker 5: make phone calls to my office.

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Speaker 2: And I give you were a reporter's best friend.

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Speaker 10: I was.

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Speaker 2: Everybody who was here that day has a story like that.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who was in New York has a story or Shanksville.

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Speaker 2: Of course, glad that you could come on to talk

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Speaker 2: to us. You know, we spent a lot of time

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Speaker 2: this week on the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: talking about it if it weren't for what happened twenty

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Speaker 2: three years ago today.

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Speaker 5: Twenty three years ago set the stage for a rock

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Speaker 5: that disaster and then Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: I hope you have a good day. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: sharing part of you with us. Tony Capasio doing great

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Speaker 2: work as always on behalf of Bloomberg. Thanks for listening

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