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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you from House Top works,

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Speaker 1: not come hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and I feel like we should offer

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Speaker 1: a disclaimer right now that if anyone is uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: the discussion of menstrill blood, this might not be the

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Speaker 1: episode for you. I hope they would have picked up

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Speaker 1: on that by looking at the title and description of

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Speaker 1: the episode first Period Pride, Well, maybe someone might think

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Speaker 1: that it's a grammar oriented episode of No More Semi

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Speaker 1: Colon's Period Bride. Well, yeah, and not putting two spaces

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Speaker 1: after the period, you just put one. WHOA, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit controversy. We are we're getting. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to go that far. Nobody's using typewriters anymore. People

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Speaker 1: just use one space and Caroline. I also feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm not qualified to even be talking about Pierre as

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Speaker 1: in menstrual not grammatical pride, because I'm not currently on

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Speaker 1: my period hashtag t M I because I really feel

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Speaker 1: like part of period pride is being loud and proud

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Speaker 1: about when aunt flow and why is it your aunt

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Speaker 1: because your mom is always there, so it can't be

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Speaker 1: like my flow, or maybe mom's working. Moms working, so

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Speaker 1: aunt flows in town. But aunt flows like the aunt.

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Speaker 1: She's not really your aunt. She's like your mom's friend

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Speaker 1: who just comes around a lot, you know, so she's

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Speaker 1: not literally your biological aunt. Yeah. We recently saw a

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Speaker 1: hashtag pop up that was live tweet your period, right,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't that's not brand new? Is it brand new? Now?

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Speaker 1: It's not brand new. It's been around, but it really

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Speaker 1: hit the mainstream when the New York Times covered it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you like most things in June. Yeah, the New York

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Speaker 1: Times made it official, which was I mean, which was

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Speaker 1: incredible to see that in the New York Times was

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Speaker 1: covering hashtag live tweet your period. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to live tweeting your period because there is some

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Speaker 1: interesting stuff that folks have to say about that, and

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Speaker 1: also funny stuff that folks have live tweeted about their periods.

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Speaker 1: But can we briefly talk about periods in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventies radical feminist period, the period period. Yeah. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Germaine Greer was kind of the original period pride

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Speaker 1: leader because in her vook the female eunuch. She wrote, quote,

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Speaker 1: if the idea makes you sick, you've got a long

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Speaker 1: way to go, baby. And the idea, friends, that Greer

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Speaker 1: is talking about is tasting your own menstrual blood. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had to have a moment. I've read that before

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Speaker 1: and and every time I've read it, I have to

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Speaker 1: take a moment and think, like, am I really my

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Speaker 1: self hater? Do I hate women? Do I my body

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Speaker 1: then I thought of all of the other things that

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Speaker 1: come out of my body on a regular basis, whether

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Speaker 1: it's regular blood, not that I'm bleeding all the time,

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Speaker 1: whether it's regular blood or sweat or like, yeah, who

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Speaker 1: knows what. It's not like I go around putting that

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Speaker 1: on sandwiches either. So I'm so glad for that, Caroline.

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Speaker 1: So I don't feel like that necessarily signals a discomfort

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Speaker 1: with my body. But German Gree, I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: But our bodies ourselves, which came out originally in made

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Speaker 1: a great point about not necessarily needing to see what

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Speaker 1: your own menstrual blood tastes like, but embracing your body

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Speaker 1: and all of its fluids that naturally occur um so

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Speaker 1: in our bodies, ourselves. It says, quote ignorance and certainty,

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Speaker 1: even at worst, shame about our physical selves create in

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Speaker 1: us an alienation from ourselves that keeps us from being

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Speaker 1: the whole people we could be. Yeah. I get behind

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Speaker 1: that absolutely. And it seems like Caroline, in the past

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Speaker 1: have really been embracing that our bodies, ourselves ethos of

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Speaker 1: period pride. We were talking to some women um last

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Speaker 1: week actually, and periods came up, and someone commented, it

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Speaker 1: seems like menstruation is really having a moment right now,

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Speaker 1: and everyone said yes. It seems like everywhere returned, especially

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Speaker 1: there's a hashtag, there's a controversial Instagram photo detailing frankly

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Speaker 1: Before that, I don't think I had ever seen such

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Speaker 1: a public celebration of monarchy. Yeah. And then on the

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Speaker 1: heels of that, in October, a feminist rap trio with

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Speaker 1: period rap video called Shark Week came out, blew up

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Speaker 1: and it's and it's wonderful, and that you know, women

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Speaker 1: of imagery that people sort of freaked out about, which

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Speaker 1: don't know how many of those shirts American Apparel actually

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Speaker 1: As American Apparel sweet probably all know, has been pretty

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Speaker 1: more in your face period talk. Well, don't just take

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Speaker 1: that perspective, there was a desire to just speak frankly

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Speaker 1: And talking about her illustration, Petrock Collins told Vice that

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Speaker 1: squeaky clean robots who don't ever have any sort of

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Speaker 1: bodily function happening. Well, and speaking of squeaky clean, I

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Speaker 1: found it. Hello Flow told the Hairpin about the making

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Speaker 1: And speaking of which, period power got quite a jolt

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Speaker 1: And really with that, it seemed like, especially when we

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Speaker 1: online media outlets, I think you're looking for it even

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Speaker 1: more so. For example, over at BuzzFeed, Sammy Main and

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Speaker 1: how periods have gone viral. Yeah, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Troubled shark infested waters. Absolutely well, Caroline. In the process

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Speaker 1: think some of my my own period nervousness because I

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Speaker 1: our own personal periods and experiences with that, our period

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Speaker 1: underwear thoughts on period sex so personal. I'll even tell

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Speaker 1: Um they're great, bright green, but I never wear them

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Speaker 1: guess they're just always in the laundry. Uh so so

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Speaker 1: much like so much period embarrassment. They're wrapped up in

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Speaker 1: those underpants. So what do you think is the best

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Speaker 1: way then to show your period pride? Well, you could

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Speaker 1: take a cueue from Mesopotamian women who painted conception spell

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Speaker 1: dolls with their minstrual blood. I was going to do

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Speaker 1: that this weekend. And that is to say, maybe we

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Speaker 1: and people who are creating some interesting period art. Carolina,

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Speaker 1: are you going to open up a period art at

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Speaker 1: two store? I feel like I feel like you got

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Speaker 1: a little glimmer in your eye. Well, no, that's the thing, Kristen,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, with my eye, you do you never know? See,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like I'm not I'm not a reliable

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Speaker 1: source of administruation. Yeah, neither ofm I I'm not reliable

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Speaker 1: at all. Well, I guess maybe we need to hear

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Speaker 1: from more reliable sources of administration. Listeners, that's you, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about period pride? And I also want

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Speaker 1: to hear from people who don't have periods, who have

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Speaker 1: never experienced periods about this whole period pride thing. Does

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Speaker 1: it totally weird you out? Mom Stuff at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com is our email address, and if you

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Speaker 1: want to tweet us, you can do that at mom

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Speaker 1: Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook. And we've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of non period related messages to share with you

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Speaker 1: right now. Well, I have a letter here from Lacy

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Speaker 1: on our Bisexual Erasure series. Uh. She says, I was

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Speaker 1: struck by the advice columnist who told a married bisexual

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Speaker 1: woman to essentially stay in the closet. Of course, Lacey's

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Speaker 1: are referring to the Dear Prudence column that Kristen and

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Speaker 1: although I absolutely agreed that no one should have the

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Speaker 1: right to tell someone else whether to come out or not,

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Speaker 1: in some ways I can see where she was coming from.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bisexual woman who came out to most people

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Speaker 1: Nine years later, I'm married a man. My husband knew

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Speaker 1: I was bisexual from the start, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: it on our first couple of dates. However, and now

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Speaker 1: that we're married, it's true that my bisexual identity is

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Speaker 1: mostly invisible. Were monogamous, most of the world assumes him straight,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure some of the people that I came

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Speaker 1: out to have written off my bisexuality as a phase.

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Speaker 1: I think some family members are even relieved that because

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Speaker 1: I married a man, they will never have to explain

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Speaker 1: or defend my more complicated identity to acquaintances, coworkers, and strangers.

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Speaker 1: While bisexual erature is very real, I feel somewhat irritated

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Speaker 1: by the implication that bisexual people have an obligation to

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Speaker 1: come out because of it. I felt compelled to come

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Speaker 1: out fairly widely when I was single because a I

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Speaker 1: didn't want people to be shocked if I started dating

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Speaker 1: a woman, and be I wanted folks to know I

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Speaker 1: was open to meeting and entering into romantic relationships with

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Speaker 1: people of any gender. But now that I'm married, I

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Speaker 1: do not come out as frequently as I used to.

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Speaker 1: In particular, my husband's family and friends do not know

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Speaker 1: that I'm bisexual, and I may not ever tell them.

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Speaker 1: This mostly has to do with privacy. I know some

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Speaker 1: of these people I haven't told harbor prejudice and assumptions

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Speaker 1: about queer people, and would likely be troubled by a

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Speaker 1: whole string of stereotypes about bisexuals that just don't apply

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Speaker 1: to me. I'm not going to leave my husband for

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Speaker 1: a woman. We do not have threesomes, et cetera. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel as if it should be my responsibility to

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Speaker 1: take it upon myself to educate these people about what

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Speaker 1: bisexuals are quote unquote really like, because this ties into

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Speaker 1: my private life and my past, which I should be

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Speaker 1: able to disclose only as into whom I see fit. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the choice to come out or to keep coming out

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Speaker 1: in my life who need to know the whole met

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Speaker 1: my husband, my friends, my families. I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm hiding if I don't tell every acquaintance I come across,

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Speaker 1: if I don't share other intimate details of my life

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Speaker 1: with them, why should I feel a duty to share this?

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Lazy Well. I also have a letter

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Speaker 1: here on our bio Ratiare podcast from someone who would

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Speaker 1: like to remain anonymous, who writes as a bisexual woman.

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Speaker 1: I've become accustomed to assumptions, generalizations, and uncomfortable questions once

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Speaker 1: I've come out as bisexual. Actually quite recently, my roommate

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Speaker 1: since I'm a bisexual woman currently in a relationship with

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Speaker 1: a man, that I'm no longer bisexual. On another occasion,

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Speaker 1: at a party, a woman who I don't know trying

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Speaker 1: to force herself on me once she found out I

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Speaker 1: was bisexual, despite very clearly attending the party with my

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Speaker 1: own significant other. It's uncomfortable experiences such as these that

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Speaker 1: make being bisexual unique challenge all on its own. Not

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Speaker 1: being recognized by many communities only makes it more difficult

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Speaker 1: due to the lack of a strong community and recognition

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Speaker 1: that bisexuals deserve within the broad spectrum that is sexuality.

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Speaker 1: And it's by no means trivializes any of the struggles

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Speaker 1: of those who identify as any other sexualities, but it's

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Speaker 1: fantastic to get some recognition and understanding on a larger scale.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much ladies for doing this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and thank you everyone for sharing your insights with us.

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Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at how stuff works dot com is our

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Speaker 1: podcasts with this one with links to our sources. So

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Speaker 1: you can check out all that period pride happening on

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Speaker 1: the internet. Head on over to stuff Mom Never told

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