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Speaker 2: here we go, Let's chop it up for over an hour.

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, has his own podcasts Three

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Speaker 2: and Out and twenty seven to twenty five Bills Win.

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Speaker 2: I had a three and oh weekend, which is rare

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Speaker 2: because I've been awful this year. Listen, I feel so

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Speaker 2: bad for Mark Andrews. Who's I just think he's a

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Speaker 2: tremendous player. I remember in Oklahoma, I thought that fumble felt,

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Speaker 2: I mean to me, for Baltimore come back down and

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Speaker 2: score and have a chance to tie it. After that

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Speaker 2: fumble by Mark Andrews. Then the drop by Mark Andrews

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Speaker 2: which he catches ninety nine out of one hundred times,

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Speaker 2: before we get into Lamar. This has been one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite tight ends in the league. I thought that

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Speaker 2: like Buffalo didn't score until he got a field goal.

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Speaker 2: I think in some of my notes here, somewhere in

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Speaker 2: the third quarter, I thought the fumble really sucked the

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Speaker 2: emotion out of Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Romo had mentioned it. They had scored

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Speaker 1: on it essentially three straight drives, one of them was

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Speaker 1: a kneel down at the end of the half. But

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Speaker 1: Buffalo couldn't stop them. I mean, the game had kind

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Speaker 1: of shifted. Lamar had settled down. They were running the

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Speaker 1: saw tonight and we saw last night. The games were

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Speaker 1: different because obviously this was much lower scoring than the

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Speaker 1: Commander game. You can't turn the ball over at the

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Speaker 1: rates in which the Lions and the Ravens did and

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Speaker 1: lose and win the game. It can't. This is not

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Speaker 1: basketball or baseball where it's a seven or five game series.

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Speaker 1: You your margin for air in a sixty minute game.

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Speaker 1: In a half, you could lose a game in a half. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I honestly I thought when he threw the interception

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Speaker 1: don't know if they can overcome that. But the Rave

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Speaker 1: have a good defense. They settled down, they started stopping

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Speaker 1: Josh Brady started kind of calling some lateral plays. But

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Speaker 1: that Andrews, I'm with you, Mark Andrews is a stud. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean for him to have that fumble and that drop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Lamar is gonna take the heat because

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Speaker 2: he had a multiple turnover game. I mean, Buffalo, I

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Speaker 2: also the fumble that von Miller picked up, and so

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Speaker 2: it was just you know, Mark Andrews drop, the Mark

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Speaker 2: thought Lamar played well enough. Obviously one awful pick. I

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Speaker 2: thought he played well enough to win. Hell, if Mark

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Speaker 2: Andrews catches it, I would not want to play Baltimore

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Speaker 2: But I you know, like I'm not blaming C. J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud for the loss in can City. The Texan special

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Speaker 2: teams were awful. They were like collegiate goff, he can

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Speaker 2: take the hit. I thought Lamar wasn't as good as

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen did. One of the takeaways for me was

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Speaker 2: they really they didn't ask Josh to do a lot

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Speaker 2: it to be a Lamar versus Josh. I think they

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Speaker 2: death by a thousand cuts. They didn't ask him to

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Speaker 1: To me, this is a coaching loss for the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: feels like when they played last year Mahomes and they

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Speaker 1: played Josh to night. They're obsessed with trying to prove

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Speaker 1: he could pass early in the game. It's like you

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Speaker 1: that doesn't work for a pass heavy team. We've seen

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Speaker 1: like this game was not gonna be like last night.

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be lower scoring. Every yard mattered, every

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Speaker 1: first down mattered. And Sean McDermott deserves credit because his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think Davis. By the way, if you

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Speaker 2: It's his life is remarkable. He's bounced around and it's

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Speaker 2: But I find myself really wanting Buffalo to get to

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Speaker 2: Jackson's a really special quarterback, but it's hard when Josh

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Speaker 2: My takeaway today, I liked Sean McDermott and Buffalo's game plan.

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Speaker 2: I like how they created They were physical early. They

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Speaker 2: didn't ask Josh to be superman. It's almost like they

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Speaker 2: prepared a game plan John expecting whether to be worse

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Speaker 1: The one thing they're going to go back to Lamar

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Speaker 1: about running. It's one thing to run into mahomes when

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Speaker 1: it was on the road and you have multiple turnovers,

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Speaker 1: and I will defend his overall play. He was much

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Speaker 1: better today than he was in that AFC Championship game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you get to the point where if he ends

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Speaker 1: care about awards. You win three MVPs, you're on a

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Speaker 1: I saw on Twitter this is his fourth game in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs where he has multiple turnovers, yes, and that

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Speaker 1: right right. It was like Jared Goff's pick six. It's like, Jared,

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Speaker 1: where are you throwing this? That. It's one thing to

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Speaker 1: the fumble, it's like you're trying to do too much.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to learn to go down. I mean

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Speaker 1: like you said, Like I thought the Raven. I had

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Speaker 1: I was like, why don't they just run it NonStop?

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Speaker 1: sometimes it feels like, no, we have to prove final drive.

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Speaker 1: Totally get it. But in the EBB and flow of

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Speaker 2: Like the end of the game, Yeah, in the third

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Speaker 2: We don't know what The weather could get worse than

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Speaker 2: But I really got to give McDermott credit. I thought

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Speaker 2: it would what do they have one penalty? No turnovers?

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Speaker 2: of just felt I really did John.

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Speaker 3: It's easy in hindsight to say this. I had Buffalo too.

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Speaker 2: I I really thought Buffalo the entire day was going

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Speaker 2: So I mean, listen, Kansas City Buffalo is I think

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Speaker 2: So I think it's been established obviously where you land matters,

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Speaker 2: kind of feel like I've watched these NFC teams, John,

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Speaker 2: I do not believe. I think Kansas City and Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Agree or disagree, totally agree. This game feels like forty

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Speaker 1: But this is the game. It's Josh vers Moms and listen,

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Speaker 1: it goes Mahomes, Josh, then Joe Burrow and then Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: We'll get the Jade and Daniels later. Philadelphia twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: Rams twenty two. It was thirteen to ten Philly at half,

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 2: I kept watching this game thinking, how in the hell

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Speaker 2: are the Rams as close? They don't have the personnel

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Speaker 2: they just I thought their offensive line played well. There

435
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Speaker 2: was it was one of those games that got really loose,

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Speaker 2: really fast. It's almost like, you know, it's like when

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Speaker 2: you played the Dodgers in the playoffs. At some point

438
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Speaker 2: if you go up against Otani Betson Freeman, there's guys

439
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Speaker 2: on bass Taoscar Hernandez. You're like, shit, we can't. We

440
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Speaker 2: don't get a break here. Philadelphia can can just make

441
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Speaker 2: play after play after play on both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 2: and the Rams you really have to be smartly designed

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Speaker 2: to face Philadelphia because the games go sideways. They can

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Speaker 2: go on a four play drive and it's Saquon Goddard,

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Speaker 2: AJ Brown hurts and you're like, shit, that's eighty yards

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Speaker 2: and four plays. But I thought the Rams did a

447
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Speaker 2: good job to hang around in like really bad weather

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Speaker 2: for an LA team on a short week.

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Speaker 1: I think the conversation has dramatically changed this year, but

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Speaker 1: I think the way Mike Tomlin was talked about, probably

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Speaker 1: from like twenty fifteen up until like last year, is

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Speaker 1: actually what Sean McVay is. I mean, what he does

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Speaker 1: to overcome as an underdog. I am totally with you.

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Speaker 1: One last week was like a Picasso moment for the guy.

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Speaker 1: His city's on fire. He has to pick up this whole,

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Speaker 1: not just his team, but they're family and their animals

457
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Speaker 1: and fly out to what was a road game at Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Then take a team. I mean, think about this. We

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Speaker 1: talk about Miami NonStop. Well they're in seventy five degree weather. Well,

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Speaker 1: what Weather's la in. The difference is the way him

461
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Speaker 1: and Less build that team. Like they take Jared Versu

462
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Speaker 1: and Braden Fisk. You know where those guys translate to.

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Speaker 1: They could play in Alaska, They'd be awesome players. They

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Speaker 1: build a tough team. This is what the Niners did

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Speaker 1: for years. Build a tough team. It doesn't matter where

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Speaker 1: you play. Part of the reason Miami sucks in cold weather.

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Speaker 1: They have a soft team for him to go and

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Speaker 1: do that. I mean Jared Verse. The three best players

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Speaker 1: on the field today were Saquon Barkley, Jalen Carter, and

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Speaker 1: Jared Verse, who was a man amongst boys. And the

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Speaker 1: difference is is Listen, Jalen's has a matchup problem against

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Speaker 1: the You know, unless you're playing Larry Allen, he's gonna

473
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Speaker 1: be better than your guarter center. Jared Versus going up

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Speaker 1: against two of the better tackles in the league.

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Speaker 2: I was watching, John, I was watching. I was watching

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Speaker 2: today and the two best defensive players I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: in my life are Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I was just thinking against Philadelphia's old line and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, holy, holy shit, are we looking at like,

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Speaker 2: not Lawrence Taylor, but the closest thing to Lawrence Taylor. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think Lawrence a lot of what Verse does is

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Speaker 2: he just bulldozes you.

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Speaker 1: He goes right at you.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have kind of the ability. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's quite as athletic as Lawrence Taylor, who was. But

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Speaker 2: you look at Philadelphia's tackles and you watch what Verse

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Speaker 2: did as a rookie. I mean it, I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: if you're if you're Kyle Shanahan, or you're McDonald and Seattle,

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Speaker 2: or you're the guy down in Arizona. I mean when

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Speaker 2: you look you when you put that film in, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna draft an offensive tackle this year, Like you have

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Speaker 2: to get that right. You cannot face the Rams and

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Speaker 2: Verse for the next seven years if you don't have

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Speaker 2: your tackles right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I talked to someone who was at a joint

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Speaker 1: practice this year with the Rams, and he said, about

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Speaker 1: five snaps in to their first practice with him, some

498
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Speaker 1: of their veteran guys on their team were like, Holy Molly,

499
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? You know? And the thing with

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Speaker 1: Jared Verse, do you know who he reminds me of?

501
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Speaker 1: Is young? Is and I don't know if he's gonna

502
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Speaker 1: become this good. But what Khalil Mack was early on

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Speaker 1: in his career with the Raiders, because Khalil Mack's first

504
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Speaker 1: year for the Raiders, he had four and a half

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Speaker 1: sacks because the pushbacks always well first only had four

506
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Speaker 1: and a half sacks. It was pretty clear. I remember

507
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Speaker 1: a buddy on that coaching staff with the Raiders. Now,

508
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Speaker 1: their talent on that team wasn't very good. The first

509
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Speaker 1: OTA practice, He's like, this guy's the best player on

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Speaker 1: our team by a mile. Now that's not necessarily the

511
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Speaker 1: case on the Rams because they got Pooka and Stafford, right,

512
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Speaker 1: but he clearly has a chance. Like this guy could

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Speaker 1: win Defensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: I think he is the Belay I think I think

515
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Speaker 2: right now him or Pooka, Yeah, Matt Puka and Jared Vers.

516
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Speaker 2: Jared Verse was on the field today with a shirt

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Speaker 2: off for the game. Dude, I it just doesn't look normal,

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Speaker 2: Like it's like, I mean his speed. Remember last week

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Speaker 2: against Men when he's picked up the Fumbland scored and

520
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Speaker 2: then he was chasing down Sam Darnel and you're like,

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Speaker 2: does he run like a four four five like, how

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Speaker 2: fast is he for two sixty five?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's one thing to have the nine sacks last

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Speaker 1: week against that offensive line. What they have to day

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Speaker 1: six or seven. I mean they had sixteen sacks in

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Speaker 1: two games. They said on the broadcast they had under

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Speaker 1: forty on the season. I was like, where is this

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Speaker 1: coming from? And to me is really And Braydon Fisk

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Speaker 1: went out of the game, which I thought, you know

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Speaker 1: on some of Saquon's runs, Braiden Fisk having him in

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Speaker 1: there as an extra body, that's a big deal. You

532
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Speaker 1: only dressed so many guys in a game. He gets

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Speaker 1: hurt early. I think you saw as the game went

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Speaker 1: on the attrition of just the guys being out there.

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Speaker 1: But I'm listen, the Eagles should win that they were

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Speaker 1: basically a touchdown favorite for a reason. Their talent is

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Speaker 1: I would say. Now, then the Chiefs and the Bills,

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Speaker 1: you would say, subtract the quarterback. They are the most

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Speaker 1: talented team. But the coaching job by McVeigh and him

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Speaker 1: hiring his buddy Shula, where there's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: He felt a little insecure about how what is that

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Speaker 1: guy Dan? I mean down the stretch, getting those guys

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Speaker 1: going I thought today was I was kind of rooting

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Speaker 1: for the Rams to win because I like like historic

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Speaker 1: moments from coaches, and it's like, how is McVeigh has

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Speaker 1: this team on the brink of a super Bowl with

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Speaker 1: this talent and stafford. He's been so bad outside and

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Speaker 1: I know his numbers weren't great, but I guess it's

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Speaker 1: a big time plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a couple of no lookers.

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley against the Rams this year rushed for four

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four yards, four rushing touchdowns, eight receptions

553
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Speaker 2: for seventy four yards. A he's a superhero. He basically

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Speaker 2: saved Nick Sirianni from getting canned, Jalen Hurts from harsh criticism,

555
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Speaker 2: and AJ Brown going off the rails. I mean, really,

556
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Speaker 2: this team is about Saquon Barkley. To me, it really is.

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Speaker 2: He's a superhero.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what's amazing about that I have

560
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Speaker 2: this conversation with people around the league, either reporters or executives.

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Speaker 2: This letting him go to the Eagles from the Giants

562
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Speaker 2: is to me a fireable offense. And I'm never calling

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Speaker 2: for a GM job, but Jesus, like, like I remember

564
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Speaker 2: when they made that move, and I remember saying on

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Speaker 2: the air, so he's going from arguably the bottom three

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Speaker 2: to zero line to the best with Jalen Hurts and

567
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Speaker 2: two receivers that will. You can't cheat in the box

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Speaker 2: like Barkley and New York had a quarterback that didn't

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Speaker 2: move or they didn't they didn't do a lot of

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Speaker 2: running with him, and they were bad at receiver because

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Speaker 2: it was pre Malik Neighbors. So you could just cheat,

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Speaker 2: you could bring a strong safety in the box. So

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Speaker 2: it was like, guys, you can't put a safety in

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Speaker 2: the box against Philip. He's gonna be He's gonna I mean,

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Speaker 2: it is the least. It's like KD to the Warriors.

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00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, although with KD, you thought, well, geez,

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Speaker 2: they got so many guys that want to shoot on

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Speaker 2: this team because Jalen's so limited as a passer. He's

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Speaker 2: you know, as we've discussed, nobody in the league I

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Speaker 2: talked to, everybody went, oh, he may rush for two

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Speaker 2: thousand arms with his team.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think John Mara got a lot of like

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Speaker 1: weird criticism for his comments in that in Joe Shane's

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Speaker 1: office when he said, I don't think I could sleep

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Speaker 1: at night if I lose him, And everyone's like, why

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Speaker 1: is he so obsessed with his star player? And it's

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Speaker 1: as simple as this guy's been around the team for

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Speaker 1: a long long time and seeing obviously Lawrence Taylor's one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest players. He's seen some of the ELI teams.

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Speaker 1: He has a pretty good understanding of what a superstar

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Speaker 1: player looks like. And it feels a little bit like

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Speaker 1: when Joe Shane said, I don't think he's going to

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Speaker 1: go to the Eagles. Then he goes and he has

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Speaker 1: a historic season. Now he has a historic playoff game.

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Speaker 1: Like when you tell your parents like and they're just like,

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Speaker 1: do not do this, do not do this, and you

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Speaker 1: do it anyway and then it just blows up in

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Speaker 1: your face and you have to walk back and look

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Speaker 1: them in the eye. How can those guys walk into

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Speaker 1: the office tomorrow and if they have to cross John

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Speaker 1: Mara in the hallway. I mean, this guy just carried

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Speaker 1: the team, your bitter rival, this right down the street.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a superstar. Like you say, his individual

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Speaker 1: years is good of a year. I mean Terrell Davis

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Speaker 1: got to the Hall of Fame based on two years,

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Speaker 1: if they were to win the Super Bowl and this

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Speaker 1: guy has another one hundred and fifty yards and another

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty yards in the playoffs, and he

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Speaker 1: would run for a lot of yards if they played

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Speaker 1: Buffalo because they don't have a great run defense. That like,

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Speaker 1: that's one of those Obviously they kept their jobs this year.

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Speaker 1: How could you look at them the same You cannot

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Speaker 1: look them in the face and go, I can't. I

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Speaker 1: can't and listen even well, it's running backs and the

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Speaker 1: value and we get it, but there aren't that many

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Speaker 1: humans that can play like that on the field. I

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Speaker 1: would say the same thing about the Titans. GM got fired.

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Speaker 1: You're like, wait, Derek Henry just cost the Ravens eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars. That's what it cost the Ravens eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars and he ran for sixteen seventeen hundred yards and

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Speaker 1: he's clearly one of the best players on the planet.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't have just used that this year. Like I think,

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Speaker 1: sometimes these decisions, you know, get a lot of people

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Speaker 1: fired really fast. I think Joe Shane and Brian Dable

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Speaker 1: are the only reason they have a job right now.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you. Like, I don't want these guys

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Speaker 1: to lose their job and at the back of their family.

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Speaker 1: But is John Morris said, like he doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: fire anyone anymore, Like he's just tired of firing people.

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Speaker 1: If he had had like if these guys have replaced

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, these guys would have been fired three weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he doesn't want to be the Raiders. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to a Raiders story before the end of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: com and discover a legend in a bottle today. So

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Jaden Daniels in Detroit. So I'm going

647
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Speaker 2: to get to Detroit first. So Philadelphia, Nick Sirianni is

648
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Speaker 2: not a scheme wizard, nor is Dan Campbell. So when

649
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: siriani lost his coordinators, that team circle the drain about Thanksgiving.

650
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Campbell's not a scheme guy as well. McVeigh is Andy

651
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Reid is. They can lose coordinators. It doesn't affect the

652
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Speaker 2: outcome or the momentum of the franchise. But Dan Campbell

653
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Speaker 2: probably isn't going to land Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn

654
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: and I think because of their own line and running game.

655
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Speaker 2: I think offensively, they're a double digit win team for

656
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Speaker 2: the next three to four years. But I think there's

657
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Speaker 2: a chance Detroit takes a slight step back because.

658
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Speaker 3: Coordinators.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it through the playoffs. Spagnola is

660
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: worth it feels like a touchdown. I mean, he's that

661
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Speaker 2: valuable in situational football, we're watching McVeigh. I mean, look

662
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Speaker 2: what Flores did to the Vikings defense.

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Speaker 1: We know that coordinators, you can say McDermott, I mean

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Speaker 1: with his personnel, he's a defensive guy. He knows what

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Speaker 1: he's doing.

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Speaker 2: So I look at the Lions and they'll be good,

667
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Speaker 2: but they're gonna lose both coordinators and I and I

668
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Speaker 2: also do you think they're looking at golf because look

669
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Speaker 2: at this weekend golf and Stafford, the last two pocket

670
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the playoff lost. If it was a really

671
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Speaker 2: good quarterback year in the draft, I think Detroit would

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Speaker 2: draft one. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think Golf after he got his head slammed, you know,

674
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Speaker 1: might have been playing a little fuzzy because he had

675
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Speaker 1: not looked like that really for two years he had,

676
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Speaker 1: especially in the Dome. I think looking back on Detroit,

677
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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens fall under this too. Last year

678
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Speaker 1: was your shot. I mean, they could they kick a

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Speaker 1: field goal. They have a seventeen point lead against the

680
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers on the road in the second half.

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Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens had Mike McDonald as their defensive coordinator,

682
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Speaker 1: the number one defense in the league, the MVPA quarterback,

683
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Speaker 1: and we're hosting the Chiefs. So both those two teams

684
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Speaker 1: get bounced to the second round this year. It's like

685
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Speaker 1: last year they were controlling their own destiny. I understand,

686
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Speaker 1: you know, the Lions head home field. But that team

687
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Speaker 1: on defense. I mean, what happens on that first drive.

688
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Speaker 1: The guy that just locked up justin Jefferson two weeks ago,

689
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Speaker 1: his arms pointing the opposite way, So they lose their

690
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Speaker 1: best corner. It's like their team's already banged up and

691
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: they just ran into the greatest rookie quarterback we've ever seen.

692
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Speaker 1: And they had even if they wouldn't have turned it over.

693
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Speaker 1: One of them was a pick six. You can't win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game if the offense is gonna score thirty

695
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Speaker 1: five plus points at home. You know, Jared Goff obviously

696
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Speaker 1: was atrocious. I thought Ben Johnson kind of got weird.

697
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Speaker 1: I mean, anytime you call a double pass, like the

698
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Speaker 1: one thing with Jared Goff, he does have a long

699
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Speaker 1: body of work for you to just turn on him

700
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Speaker 1: in that moment. The wide receiver is very inclined, whether

701
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Speaker 1: the guy's open or not, to always throw the ball,

702
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Speaker 1: and I know the coaches tell him, hey it's not open,

703
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Speaker 1: throw the ball away. They always throw it, and he

704
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Speaker 1: threw it. You're like, hey, you can't do that, but

705
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Speaker 1: that's just you call that play. It's it's I thought

706
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Speaker 1: it was pretty unnecessary. I know, you got that he

707
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Speaker 1: was getting cute, and I tend to agree. I don't

708
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Speaker 1: know if he's showing off for a Brady at that moment.

709
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Speaker 1: I dodn't think he's necessarily showing off, But I just

710
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Speaker 1: thought it was a poorly timed moment and it felt

711
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Speaker 1: like he had turned on jer Goff. He didn't trust

712
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Speaker 1: him because to call that play in that spot they

713
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Speaker 1: were down ten points.

714
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Speaker 2: How about this, Josh Harris in twenty eleven buys with

715
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Speaker 2: a group the Sixers. He still hasn't gotten to an

716
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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference championship. With Joel Embiid, who's always hurt. He

717
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Speaker 2: buys the Commander's first year NFC championship, which shows you

718
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Speaker 2: why this league is so great. Houston was the embarrassment

719
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Speaker 2: of the league playoffs. Washington had a fifteen year smell

720
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Speaker 2: with Dan Snyder NFC Championship. One of the reasons I

721
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Speaker 2: love this league. I mean two a year ago, we

722
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Speaker 2: thought Denver was just you know, they were a heap

723
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Speaker 2: of tires on the freeway on fire. The Commanders for

724
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Speaker 2: the next three years can just surround Jaden Daniels with talent,

725
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Speaker 2: and I want to talk about him. I had a

726
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Speaker 2: five game stretch middle of the season, he got banged up,

727
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: bo Nick started to surge, and you were like, Okay,

728
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Jaden's more athletic maybe, but you know, but his last

729
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Speaker 2: like eight games, his ability, I've never seen anything like this.

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Speaker 2: His last ten games, it says here, twenty touchdowns, seven picks,

731
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Speaker 2: ninety eight passer rating, and they played some good teams.

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Speaker 2: His ability to he's not Lamar the runner. And I'll

733
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Speaker 2: tell you why it's an advantage. Lamar is so gifted

734
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Speaker 2: as a runner, So was Michael Vick, Steve Young was

735
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Speaker 2: to a large degree to and Josh Allen. That you're

736
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Speaker 2: so great as a runner, it's always an easy out,

737
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Speaker 2: especially in high school and college.

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Speaker 3: It's just an easy.

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Speaker 2: Jaden's fast, but he's not quite a vic or a

740
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen when he can roll over you. But what

741
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Speaker 2: he is he's evasive more so than like Kyler Murray.

742
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Speaker 2: So he's he's fast enough to get out of trouble.

743
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Speaker 2: But he's not as big and strong as Allen, or

744
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Speaker 2: as shifty or pure speed as Lamar. So he's never

745
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Speaker 2: he's always relied on the pocket. Right like he sits

746
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Speaker 2: in the pocket. He feels so advanced to me, is

747
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Speaker 2: a late game pocket passer. I thought Andrew Lucke was

748
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: the best rookie quarterback I ever saw, but you got

749
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Speaker 2: downside with him. He was a risk taker. He had

750
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Speaker 2: little sam Donold and Carson Wentz. I get no downside

751
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Speaker 2: with this kid.

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Speaker 3: None.

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Speaker 1: If you just look at the best players in the

754
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Speaker 1: NFL at quarterback, there's like three or four guys, and

755
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Speaker 1: you know, I think Mahomes and Josh Allen are much

756
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Speaker 1: more playmakers than Drew pocket quarterbacks. Obviously, Lamar's a hybrid.

757
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Speaker 1: It would really be Burrow and what to Burrow and

758
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Speaker 1: Jayden have in common. They both had a transfer to LSU.

759
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Their first year at LSU did not go well, and

760
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Speaker 1: their second year they kind of mastered it. Well, think

761
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Speaker 1: about this. You know, Burrow's the talent he went against

762
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Speaker 1: on defense every day in practice was better than Jaden's.

763
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Speaker 1: But think about you play every year Alabama a Nick

764
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Saban Alabama, So with several NFL guys on the front,

765
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Speaker 1: you play A and M who's always loaded with talent,

766
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Speaker 1: and you just play an SEC schedule. So over the

767
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Speaker 1: course of a couple of years, after you had already

768
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Speaker 1: been in another school, got some reps Jayden had played

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Speaker 1: today as U Burrow hadn't, and you kind of get

770
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Speaker 1: to master your craft because I watched Jayden Daniels and

771
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Speaker 1: you go, he's pretty calm like Joe Burrow in the pocket,

772
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Speaker 1: you know which, And he was considered this dual threat

773
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Speaker 1: because last year was like, well, he's really good neat

774
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: ball thrower, that was like his Russell Wilson thing. But

775
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Speaker 1: over the middle of the field, blitzes can get him.

776
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Speaker 1: He looks completely under control. That's the craziest part about

777
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Speaker 1: his game is how cool, calm and collected he is.

778
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Speaker 1: To me, he's the more athletic running version of Burrow

779
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: because he really plays much more like a pocket quarterback.

780
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Speaker 1: How good is he throwing over the middle of the field.

781
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's he's the crazy part.

782
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Speaker 3: In congested areas, He's just credible. It's just incredible.

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Speaker 2: And you know, my favorite part of this is I

784
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Speaker 2: love I thought like cam Ward was a winner this weekend.

785
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Speaker 2: You know you're watching You're watching Jade and Daniels come

786
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: out of that draft and Tennessee's probably thinking, well, I mean,

787
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Speaker 2: cam Ward's like a thicker version of him like Jade

788
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: and Daniels' ability to just improvise. I mean Cliff Kingsbury.

789
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Speaker 2: Steve Kaiin was texting me, He's like Cliff Kingsbury, you know,

790
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: after that mess at USC in Arizona. He's like, he

791
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: earned this and deserved it. But I just think sometimes

792
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: people are special. And whereas Mahomes gott to sit for

793
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Speaker 2: his first year and Lamar didn't play until week eleven,

794
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: this kid was inserted onto a really I would argue

795
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Speaker 2: at best, second, probably third, best roster in that division.

796
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Speaker 2: And and the other thing is that Brian Kelly said

797
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Speaker 2: us in college, he said, he's just he's just a

798
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Speaker 2: great student of the game. He was good early, little

799
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Speaker 2: turbulent middle of the season, got banged up. He's just

800
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Speaker 2: gotten better. He's a better quarterback now than he was

801
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Speaker 2: ten weeks ago.

802
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Speaker 1: He's just totally I was thinking about this, think about

803
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Speaker 1: the first three quarterbacks, Caleb, him and Drake. You know,

804
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: Caleb goes to a place where every coach got fired

805
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: halfway through the season. Drake goes to a place where

806
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: clearly the guy was in over his head. And this

807
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Speaker 1: guy gets to go to Dan Quinn, who had taken

808
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Speaker 1: a team to a super Bowl, had gone to Kingsbury,

809
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: who had coached in the NFL, had been a head

810
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Speaker 1: coach for a long long time as the play caller,

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Speaker 1: head coach in college, and the pros of just a

812
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: very stable place immediately because they don't have that much talent.

813
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: Mclaurin's a good player, but Zach Hurtz is like my age,

814
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Speaker 1: the brown guy. Most people that follow the NFL don't

815
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Speaker 1: know that much about defensively, Bobby Wagner's been in the

816
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: league forever. I mean he's on whole seventeen or eighteen

817
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Speaker 1: of his career.

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Speaker 2: It gets best John at best, it's the twelfth to

819
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Speaker 2: fifteenth best roster in the league.

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Speaker 1: At best, I think it's probably closer to low twenties.

821
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Speaker 1: And what he's doing and the coaching staff's doing. And

822
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: there's something in football right more than these other sports,

823
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Speaker 1: Like in baseball, I can't even if Bochie's my manager,

824
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Speaker 1: if I don't have the talent. I can't overachieve against

825
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: the Dodgers over six seven games. Right if I'm playing

826
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: the Kadie Warriors or the Shaq Kobe Lakers, I'm fucked.

827
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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson and doesn't John Wooden could be the coach

828
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Speaker 1: in football coaching staffs won just the belief coming into

829
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Speaker 1: a game. I think we saw it today with McDermott

830
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Speaker 1: and the Bills. They believe they could win that game.

831
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Speaker 1: That matters a lot. The Lions have had this for

832
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Speaker 1: a couple of years with Dan Campbell and then the

833
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: schematics of everything, But there is just an element that

834
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Speaker 1: they just got this guy. I mean they go for

835
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Speaker 1: it a lot on these fourth and shorts because they

836
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Speaker 1: got this guy. That's right, four fourth and two with

837
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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston or some random quarterbacks is not the same, Like,

838
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Speaker 1: I think part of the reason he's going for it

839
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Speaker 1: constantly is this guy. The Lions do it a lot.

840
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Speaker 1: They got the best defensive line in the league. They

841
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: got a star tight end, they got a star wide receiver,

842
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: they got multiple backs. It's a high percentage play. It's

843
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: not the same if you've got Tommy DeVito in that

844
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: offensive line, right, So things aren't all equal. I don't

845
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Speaker 1: think he's this crazy gun slinger. He's just going we

846
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Speaker 1: have one of the most dynamic players I've probably ever seen.

847
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said this yesterday in my pod, you

848
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: knew you had something special when a veteran coach Dan

849
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: Quinn and you know a guy who had been a

850
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: head coach in two plays is Cliff Kingsbury. In camp

851
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: were effusive with their praise. I mean, the rule with

852
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: rookie quarterbacks is he'll get there, let's lower expectations. And

853
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: they kept talking to Dan Quinn zach Ertz told me

854
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: this last week. He's like, yeah, this is different. This

855
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: doesn't look like this. This is way better than a

856
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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback. And I remember people saying that about Andrew Lock,

857
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: how he memorized the Colts playbook in like two and

858
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: a half days. The instincts, the poise, to me, it's

859
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: just unprecedented. I've never seen anything like it. And again,

860
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have guessed he would be the greatest rookie

861
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: quarterback of all time. In Week eight, they had played

862
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: bad against Pittsburgh, a couple of picks against the Cowboys.

863
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: He was banged up his last like eight weeks. It's like,

864
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: is he a top five quarterback in the league.

865
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: He may be.

866
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: I had a scouting buddy texted me last night and said,

867
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, the Bears didn't even bring in Jade Daniels

868
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: for a visit, and listen, I'm not trying to write

869
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: off Caleb's career. We've seen Peyton Manning as bad as

870
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: a rookie by all means he can give.

871
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: Caleb is not this accurate, no way.

872
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: But your job as a GM Adam Peters took a

873
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: lot of crap because remember he had like all five

874
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks not named Caleb Williams. He took him to top golf.

875
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: That's kind of his job. Do we evaluate everybody who's

876
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: going to be available. So I think you look back

877
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: at Ryan Poles. It would have taken a lot of

878
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: balls to not take Caleb Williams. It was the easy pick.

879
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: But his job isn't to playgate to the media. His

880
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: job is to get it right and get the right player.

881
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: And they didn't even look at this guy and listen,

882
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: Caleb can become a good player. This guy is. It's

883
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: mind blowing because his team's not that talented. It'd be

884
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: one thing. It's like, well, he inherited this great roster.

885
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: They actually traded up from pick twenty to pick two

886
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: to get them. No, like this team was terrible. It's

887
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: essentially the same roster that we all made fun of

888
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: last year with Ron Rivera that ended up at number two.

889
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: And it's actually not because remember they traded sweat mid season.

890
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: They traded sweat Chase Young. They don't even have a

891
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: great defensive line. I mean, they don't have many defensive

892
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: line beside the tackles. It's crazy what he's doing. They're

893
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: the running backs for Eckler, who's a good little scat back. Yeah,

894
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: McK nichols, who Adam Peters likes. And Brian Robinson, who

895
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: a couple you know. Mid season started fumbling, so they

896
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of kicked to the curve. It's not like they're

897
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: handing the ball to Saquon. That's not what's going on here.

898
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

899
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,480
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Speaker 2: This stuff is remarkable. Let's talk Kansas City Houston. So

909
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: Houston had the worst special teams performance by any team

910
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: in the playoffs that I can remember, starting with the

911
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: opening kickoff by the Chiefs. They also had eight penalties.

912
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: There were a couple of calls. I thought the referees

913
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: over the course of the weekend let guys play, and

914
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: then they clearly on two instances got over protective of Mahomes.

915
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's what happens when you're the marque player

916
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: in the league. The team only had Kansas City and

917
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: it had two hundred and twelve yards and Travis Kelcey

918
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: at one hundred and seventeen of them. It's interesting because dynasties,

919
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: it reminds me a lot of grong dynasties tend to

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: do this. New England had at Kansas City has it,

921
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: and I've seen this. You know, Steelers had this probably

922
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: if you go back to their dynasty, maybe the Niners

923
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: did you know that dynasty very well. In television terms

924
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: and local TV, you know, there's kind of a term

925
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: like red light guys, like when the red light of

926
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: the camera goes on you're on a live shot. My

927
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: buddy I worked with for years, Trace Gallagher, is a

928
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: good friend he's at Fox News. We bounced around the

929
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: country together, getting jobs in the same stations or markets.

930
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: And the first thing I noticed his first job in

931
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Las Vegas is I'd never seen anybody that could get

932
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: dropped off in front of a hotel fire and we

933
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: could go twelve minutes with very little information and just talk.

934
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's a red light guy. And that's

935
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: Travis kelce Like when you look at this season, and

936
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: I mean there are there have been times the last

937
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: two years, John I've looked at him in Week four

938
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: and thought he looks overweight, Like I'm not even.

939
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I don't even know what you do

940
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: with him.

941
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: It's like Gronk. You get those big mits and big games,

942
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: he gets open. He is just I mean, dynasties always

943
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: have one of these guys. And and by the way,

944
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: you can tell who Mahomes trusts he's getting. He's building

945
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: a trust.

946
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: With Xavier Worthy.

947
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: He really likes Kareem Haunt, but he is looking for

948
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: Travis kelcey on big plays.

949
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, you hear a lot is like, why

950
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: how's he How's eighty seven always open in these big moments.

951
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: It's like, well, guys, he's not running just routes that

952
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: these teams have prepared for. Right, there are plays that

953
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: every team runs, and you know, if you're running this

954
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: defense kind of cheat here. This is where he wants

955
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: to go. He will go wherever you don't, and Mahomes

956
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: knows that, and then we'll go to him. So in

957
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: these biggest moments, it's like, well, we know what play

958
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna run, and he should end up in this

959
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: like two yard radius instead in the hangar left, he'll

960
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: hang a right because he knows you know that, and

961
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: he'll be wide open. It kind of feels like almost

962
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: like John Stock and Karl Malone in the pick and Roll.

963
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some basic defensive rules for coaches,

964
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: but they knew each other so well. By the peak

965
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: of their powers. You could go left, they could go right,

966
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: and he knew he would go right. And that's what

967
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: it feels like in these big moments, because he gets open,

968
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: and it's not because someone's just screwing up. It's because

969
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: they're playing chess and you can't play on their level.

970
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: They're Bobby Fisher at this point, those two guys, because

971
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: on his big play that kind of exploded the game open.

972
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: He's not as fast as he once was. His top

973
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: ten speed used to be elite for a tight end

974
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: and now it's probably average, like NFL average. But his

975
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: instincts with the ball in his hands are still elite

976
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: as it gets. Just like Gronk, because he got older,

977
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: he couldn't move like he wants could, but he still

978
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: had the strength and he still had the size. That

979
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: was his separating factor, Travis. The separating factor is his

980
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: instinctive athleticism. He's like you know at this point Michael

981
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: Jordan nineteen ninety eight. Michael Jordan wasn't jumping and dunking

982
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: over guys then, but he was so much smarter than

983
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: you and his instincts were so elite that to me

984
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: is Travis. So it's like, yes, ninth one hundred yard

985
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: game does not look like the game in seventeen when

986
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: he was run by guys because he's not really running

987
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: by guys now, he's making moves to get around guys.

988
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: So I listen. He's one of the greatest champions this

989
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: league has ever seen. And Andy said it last night.

990
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Mahomes said it. He's just he's not just a bright

991
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: lights guy like I just think he's smarter than you.

992
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: I think his football intellect in IQ is Peyton Manning,

993
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Steve Young at tight end, which

994
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: I would say is pretty rare.

995
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Kansas City gets ding done because

996
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: we say, you know, it's kind of lucky. But the

997
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: john they are taking leads on people. You know, that's

998
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: what they do. They kind of come out, they take

999
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: a lead on you a lot of the times. Now

1000
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: they don't make many mistakes. And then what they do

1001
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: in the second half is they start getting really situationally

1002
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: great on third, on fourth down, on goal line stands.

1003
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: And I think, Johnny, you and I have talked about this,

1004
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: and I think this is now more true than ever.

1005
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: The five things you have to be really good at

1006
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: the NFL, like head coach, quarterback. You have to have

1007
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: a stable ow line, one reliable weapon. It can be Kelsey,

1008
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: it could be Puka, it could be Saquon Barkley. You

1009
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: have to have a reliable weapon, and you have to

1010
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 2: have some defensive presence on the D line, a difference maker,

1011
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: which now the Lions don't really have. The Bills have

1012
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: a Von Miller. The by the way, their weapons they're

1013
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: running backs in Buffalo are underrated in my opinion. But

1014
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: I think about Kansas City is this weekend two or

1015
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: three things were really on display. Quarterback Jayden Daniels probably

1016
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: was one of the stars of the weekend. But I

1017
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: think when you watch McVeagh and Andy Reeve's teams, they

1018
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: are so resourceful, like they just figure out ways to

1019
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: convert and even if it's a field position, even if

1020
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: it's stopping you on third or getting an extra first down.

1021
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 3: I just feel like they're always winning the margins. And

1022
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: that's why it's not luck. They just do that regularly.

1023
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: Why I think one knock on Ay and Philly Fair

1024
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: or not was the situational stuff. And I think situationally,

1025
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: you look back, well like was it him or was

1026
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: it you know, Donovan Nabb was really out of shape

1027
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and not make some great decisions.

1028
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Vick was just a hard guy to

1029
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: coach because of the way he played. And I think

1030
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: he's like he Bill wallsh finally found his found his

1031
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Andy Reid found his Mahomes and now I

1032
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: think he's situationally brilliant. And Demiko yesterday like it's it's

1033
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: two sided. Demiko is a stud like that team showed

1034
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: up ready to win. Dimiko is a high level coach.

1035
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the best, if not

1036
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: the best young coach in the league. On defense. I

1037
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: mean just Demiko is awesome. But kicking that ball into

1038
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: the win for the field goal, It's like, this is

1039
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It's almost like a par

1040
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: five over the waters, like lay up. You know this

1041
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: is not a good decision. And then late in the game,

1042
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: who was calling that game, was Collinsworth or Brady whoever

1043
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: was calling that game, was like, oh was Apeman. He's like,

1044
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: I'd call time out because it was fourth and long, yes,

1045
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: And Aikman's like I called they're all discombobulated. Call timeout.

1046
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: You either got a call timeout or just take the

1047
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: delay game and punt. He was just in no man's land.

1048
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: And that was this is not week four or week ten.

1049
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: That was John.

1050
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm glad you mentioned that.

1051
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: That is mcvahan Reid.

1052
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: That's the difference between mcvaann Reid Aikman, a former quarterback

1053
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: is screaming on TV, take a time out. You've got

1054
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: to take a time out. The defensive coaches and I

1055
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: like Demiko, but I swear if mcveighor Reid in that situation,

1056
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: they would have called a time out. And when when

1057
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: you're on the road and your special teams are a

1058
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: grease fire, you have to get that play right. That's

1059
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: one of those classic Nobody in Houston wants to talk

1060
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: about it. It's about the officiating. That play is why

1061
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: I tend to lean toward offensive coaches. It's that playoff football, situational,

1062
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: circumstantial moment. I'm glad you brought that up, because that,

1063
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 2: to me, was a seminal play in the game.

1064
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: I do think this, and I love Andy Naggi v

1065
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: those guys are my guys. But the mahomes going out

1066
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: of bounds and stopping is not just unbecoming. It's got

1067
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: to stop it. It's got to be penalized. I remember

1068
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: when it happened against the Niners earlier this season and

1069
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa said, it's all the officiating is against these

1070
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: defensive players. I mean, there was a play today when

1071
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith got blown up. In the history of the

1072
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: NFL up until three or four years ago, that's called

1073
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: the hospital ball. When you throw that ball in the

1074
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and get him killed. Now it's

1075
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard penalty. The Mahomes thing of stopping at

1076
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: the sideline, and look, they didn't end up calling a

1077
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: penalty there, but one he's gonna get hurt. It's just stupid.

1078
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: Just go out of bounds. It's it's and he does

1079
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: this sometimes he stops and you stop and then he

1080
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: gains a couple extra yards that I don't blame the

1081
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Mahomes like it's like Chris Paul and James Harden.

1082
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: That's his version of what he's doing. The league has

1083
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: to say, if that happens again, we're gonna penalize you.

1084
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly how they do it. And listen,

1085
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: I thought the second penalty on Mahomes, you know, the

1086
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: the unnecessary roughness where they hit each other in the

1087
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: head and he didn't even get really touched, was pretty egregious.

1088
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: But that was the worst moment of all. And that

1089
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: this is to me a Mahomes thing of like, I'm

1090
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: pro you guys, but that's it's starting to get embarrassing

1091
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: because it's like this is unfair. It's already not fair

1092
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: to the defense what the rules are, but that moment

1093
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: is like you talk, I'm all for loopholes in life.

1094
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: That feels like a loophole that is just screwing over

1095
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: people and that I honestly, I was surprised they didn't

1096
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: throw the fifteen yard penalty.

1097
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to touch on this. So we're gonna

1098
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: start seeing here in the next week some coaches, I

1099
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: imagine this this week. Do you think we'll see some

1100
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: coaches take jobs? Because I saw a story today, and

1101
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: there's so much information out there, I can't separate fact

1102
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: from fiction, like rumor from substantial unless it's somebody I trust.

1103
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: But one of the things floated out there is Ben

1104
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: Johnson actually is leaning Raiders, And I thought, whoa, whoa

1105
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: whoa toughest division, no quarterback, impulsive owner and one of

1106
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: the poorest owners, mahomes Herbert, even bo Nicks. I'm like,

1107
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: week quarterback draft, what in the hell are you doing?

1108
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Give me your feeling? And maybe that's the power of Brady,

1109
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: who's clearly running the franchise right now. Like that, that's

1110
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: clear obvious if you were Ben Johnson, Because I thought

1111
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: I thought New England was the best job, and I

1112
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: thought Rabel was the best candidate, Like I thought Harbaugh

1113
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: was the best candidate in the Chargers was the best

1114
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: job last year. I don't think it's hard to spot.

1115
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: You could see it a mile away. Where would you

1116
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: go if you were Ben Johnson. They're all somewhat dysfunctional.

1117
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: To me, I could understand go to the Raiders if

1118
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: you told me Tom Brady lived in Las Vegas and

1119
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: was gonna be doing this full time, and I essentially

1120
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: answered to him. But that is not what is happening.

1121
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna stay in Florida and buy all reports, go

1122
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: keep rocking with Fox. Mark Davis is the guy in

1123
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: that building every single day. So even if you just go,

1124
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: don't even factor in the roster or the division with

1125
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: the coaches and the quarterbacks. The Mark Davis situation is

1126
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: not one that I could get into business if I

1127
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: have options. The problem is what are his other options?

1128
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: The Bears. I'm sorry, like at least with if you

1129
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: can't fix Caleb, it'll kind of be on you, not

1130
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: him because of the hype coming in and you're gonna

1131
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: have to coach him for a couple of years, and

1132
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: what if you're not that indu him and you got

1133
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: to answer to Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren. I'm sorry

1134
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: the Jags, like if Trent Balky's there, I'm not taking

1135
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: that job, say the Jets. He didn't even interview. So

1136
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: I do understand the Raiders like Tom Brady. Maybe he's

1137
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: just an all time great salesman. But if I was

1138
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: recommending to Ben Johnson, I'd go, well, is he to

1139
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: be there every day? Because if he's not, like Mark

1140
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: Davis used to yell at assistant coaches on the plane,

1141
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not people are gonna say you're just a

1142
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: Raider hater. No, I'm just telling you this that used

1143
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: to happen a lot. Well, it's been reported on like

1144
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: it's just a chaotic organization, right, I mean, it's just

1145
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: I think going there, especially when then if you factor

1146
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: in the division no quarterback, it's not like a quarterback draft.

1147
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: Pretty nuts. And I would have been like, well, maybe

1148
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: he can take his you know, Matt shabb with him

1149
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. His backup quarterback last night, Hendon Hooker. They

1150
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: clearly don't trust him because they made him the third

1151
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: string quarterback in Teddy Bridgewater, whose coach in high school

1152
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: was the backup quarterback. That shows you it's not like

1153
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: even likes the backup guy to take with him. So

1154
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: I would say talent just on the roster the Bears,

1155
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: but that situation's kind of messed up. The only good

1156
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: thing the Raiders have going for him is you get

1157
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: to essentially hire your GM as well. But like I've

1158
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: seen that Dog and Pony show, Gruden and got to

1159
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: hire what's his name from the NFL network, Josh McDaniel's

1160
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: got to bring Ziegel. They all fail. You could argue

1161
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: this cycles just awful. Maybe just stay with the Lions.

1162
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: Don't touch any of these jobs. No, And I get

1163
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money on the line, Chefter saying

1164
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: he's good as gone. I think all these jobs are terrible, Colin,

1165
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean not terrible.

1166
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: The only one I like, because remember we thought the

1167
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: Washington job was a bit of a risk. I think

1168
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 2: I actually think I've been lucky on this three years

1169
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 2: in a row. I've picked the double digit win team

1170
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: Denver this year, Rams last year, Minnesota before where there's

1171
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: a team, and I think they are twice as good

1172
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: as Vegas things. I actually think because the Jets in

1173
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: Miami are pretty dysfunctional, and I actually think between Craft

1174
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: Drake May.

1175
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not counting that one. I agree with you.

1176
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a pretty good job. Actually, I

1177
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: think I think the next year they're gonna Patriots could

1178
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, because I mean, let's be honest about it,

1179
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: like Steelers are going backwards.

1180
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: They can't.

1181
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: We know who's gonna win. Divisions like the AFC is

1182
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: pretty damn predictable. If you told me the same four

1183
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: teams ended up back here, I would say, I think

1184
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: the Chargers with another four or five players with Harbor

1185
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: Herbert will be better. But I just thought that that

1186
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: rumor for Ben Johnson to the Raiders. I And it's

1187
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: funny because I've bounced around the country before, and you know,

1188
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: I get people and the things I always think about

1189
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: whenever I join a job. I've had to replace really

1190
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: good people. I replaced Tony Kornheiser at ESPN, even locally,

1191
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: I replaced a couple of really talented people.

1192
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: It Fox.

1193
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: It was easier because the network was FS one was

1194
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: kind of you know, it just wasn't substantial. But one

1195
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: of the things I look at is you know who

1196
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: was the predecessor, and so that's the one thing I

1197
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: like about the job is you know you're going to

1198
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: be a really clever offensive coach. But I got to

1199
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: tell you there, they'd have to give up so much

1200
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: draft capital to get cam Ward and they just don't

1201
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: have a roster good enough.

1202
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: I just and yet, I don't.

1203
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: Know how you don't consider read Harbond, Sean Payton. How

1204
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 2: do you not consider that?

1205
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: You know? I started texting around because Mike Porgazzi viaches

1206
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: number two took the Titans job, and I texted my

1207
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: buddies on different teams. I said, what's the difference, because

1208
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: you would say the Titans job. I mean they've just

1209
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: run through two GMS in like a year, so that's

1210
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: a pretty risky job, right, even though they got the

1211
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. But it's not like viewed as

1212
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning in this draft, cam Ward is

1213
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: a very risky player. I mean, I've texted my friends.

1214
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: They're college directors. Draft grades are all over the board

1215
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: on that kid. This is not viewed in shador. And

1216
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: they said, simply because as the number two, depending on

1217
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: your organization, you make anywhere between seven hundred to one

1218
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: million dollars depending on your experience. As a GM, you

1219
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: get a five year contract. Usually somewhere three to four

1220
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: million dollars, and that's obviously substantial, game changing money. But

1221
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach for Ben Johnson, let's say he's

1222
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: making four or five million dollars, and it's for how

1223
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: are the Lions not going to be good on offense

1224
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: next year?

1225
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: Oh?

1226
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: They will? Yeah, his star wouldn't diminish. Now as a

1227
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: head CoA, he might get ten to twelve. But that's

1228
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: a big difference of like going from one hundred grand

1229
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,959
Speaker 1: to five hundred grand, which changes your life. He's making

1230
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: five million dollars, he's at the office ninety hours. His

1231
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: life doesn't change at all. When he makes twelve million dollars,

1232
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: he gets more money in the bank. But he's thirty nine,

1233
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: forty years old. He's going to be a head coach.

1234
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: These jobs like, okay, you get a four year contract.

1235
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: I see the Raiders fire someone every other year. I

1236
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: see the Bears is not a conducive place to win.

1237
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: The Jags with Trent Bulky, he will stab you in

1238
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: the back if the offense looks terrible. If these jobs,

1239
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't He didn't interview with the Jets and the

1240
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys field dead set on Kellen Moore that like, these

1241
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: jobs are places where people go to get fired and

1242
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: it changes your career.

1243
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said this before. Next year is a much

1244
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: better college quarterback class. And you also have the potential

1245
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: that like Joe Burrow would need a coach.

1246
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1247
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: There you kind of look around and you're like, oh,

1248
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: there's next year is interesting. There could be some interesting

1249
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: job openings. And if you look at the last two years,

1250
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean just think of the last four or five

1251
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: jobs that a coach took that we considered really good jobs.

1252
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur, Aaron Rodgers in his prime, Mike McCarthy, Dak

1253
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: in his prime, Jim Harbaugh, Justin Herbert going into his prime,

1254
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: and Mike Frabele Drake may looks like he could be

1255
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: really special, kind of a Justin Herbert comp. What you

1256
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: look at as a head coach is do they have

1257
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback? Right in the Raiders, you face two of

1258
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: the top eight quarterbacks and the best quarterback and arguably

1259
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: two of the top four coaches, and you don't have

1260
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: a quarterback.

1261
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: Like to me, I.

1262
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: Listed a couple of weeks ago of the seven openings

1263
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: one through seven, I put the Raiders last. So to me,

1264
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: it's just Tom Brady has this gravitas or this aura

1265
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: and Ben Johnson's kind of starry eyed. But I would

1266
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: stand Detroit.

1267
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Bears is a sexy job in theory,

1268
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: but also a lot like the Raiders' division's really good.

1269
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: All three teams, I mean, you know, I know they've

1270
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: went oh and three in the playoffs, like would Shakas

1271
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: have had minimum two of those three teams are back

1272
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Another job I would put as this

1273
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: being like doesn't quite fit the criteria of dak or

1274
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: definitely Aaron Rodgers, but Seattle ton of talent. They had

1275
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: a guy that you can function with, and they have

1276
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: a high level GM and a team that had just

1277
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Speaker 1: been kind of winning not big, but nine games a

1278
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: year and Mike McDonald that was a safe job. Seattle

1279
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: last year is way better than any of these jobs

1280
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: when you factor in GM that knows what he's doing,

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: a ton of talent on the roster in just a

1282
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: stable place. I think I think the Bears and I

1283
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: got a DM, an unsolicited beat DM that said they

1284
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: thought this Raider thing, he could still end up in Chicago,

1285
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: because listen, he's trying to get a lot of money.

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01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean there is a chance that, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he gets a couple of teams bidding against him, that

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01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: his salary, instead of being ten million dollars, could be

1289
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: like fifty. He could be one of the higher paid

1290
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: coaches in the league, just based on like NFL free agency,

1291
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: right when guys get overpaid because you got people driving

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Speaker 1: up the price. I don't know, man, I'd have a

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01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: hard time accepting any I couldn't do the Bears because

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01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: of the setup and the Raiders thing. I get it,

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01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: you bring in your guy, but that is a tough

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01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: building to change when the number one reason you'd be

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01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: doing it is because Tom and he lives on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the country.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we go into Ohio state and Notre Dame.

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01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,479
Speaker 2: I think we both probably like the Buckeyes. I'll throw

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: this out to you. I said this last week.

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Speaker 3: On radio on TV.

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't think Marcus Freeman has the horses to win,

1304
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: but if he kept it close or by chance won

1305
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's not the second best candidate to

1306
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel. I mean, there's a Sean McVay quality to

1307
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: this guy that people that have met him are just

1308
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: kind of blown away by him. Yeah, And first, do

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: you think Notre Dame has a chance? And do you

1310
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: think if he again he put on a make vaylight

1311
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: classic work. I mean they the fact that the Rams

1312
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: had the ball late with a chance to win made

1313
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: no sense, right like, it just made no sense at all.

1314
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: Did you follow your chair when he had Pooka down

1315
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: the sideline?

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01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: I could not believe you.

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: I went, you have got to be kidding me. I

1318
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: literally Tethern thought, this is going to be the ultimate theft.

1319
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: They have no business being in this game, and I

1320
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: don't think Notre Dame has any business being in that game.

1321
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: If it was thirty to ten, I wouldn't be shocked

1322
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: if you were Marcus Freeman knowing that Notre Dame the

1323
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: academic umbrella, the religious realities. You know, the campus is

1324
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: in a cold weather campus, not in the big ten.

1325
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: If you're Marcus Freeman in won would you go to

1326
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: the NFL?

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: No, because these jobs are terrible. I think we just

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01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: saw Sark re up with Texas coach in college now

1329
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: pays ten to twelve million dollars. You're the coach GM

1330
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: and your owner does not exist. Now with the nil

1331
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: situations why Belichick was kind of intrigued. It's actually much

1332
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: more like the NFL, and you don't have an owner

1333
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: breathing down today morning, yeah, with his three kids telling

1334
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: you seven different ideas of what plays to call. I

1335
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: actually think college has kind of changed in the sense

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: the money's huge and a place like Notre Dame you

1337
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: can pay your coordinators. There's no different than the NFL.

1338
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: Where's he gonna go? Like, I guess you'd go the

1339
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: Bears right down the street, but I just don't think

1340
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: the Bears a good job. He then has to answer

1341
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: to Kevin Warren and deal with Ryan Poles where he's

1342
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: the Ryan Polse and his Kevin Warren is who the

1343
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: father you know, was like, as long as he's winning,

1344
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: they leave him alone.

1345
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: And you know, I was thinking about this. Ryan Day

1346
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: was going to get run out of town without the playoff,

1347
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: right because he wouldn't have got into the Final four

1348
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: because of that Home lost to Michigan and that in

1349
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: a weird way, the twelve team playoff is a little

1350
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: like March Madness. March Madness because it's so vast with

1351
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: sixty eight teams. You know, guys like Jim Beheim you

1352
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: could always say, well, I made the tournament. I've made

1353
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: the tournament fourteen straight years.

1354
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: I think this, well, that's Calipari's thing for a decade.

1355
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: He hasn't done shit.

1356
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was losing to Oakland School in Michigan.

1357
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: He was losing. But in the end, you could always say, well,

1358
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: I made the tournament. I made the tournament twenty two

1359
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: years and I won a couple games in the tournament.

1360
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: I made the sweet sixteen, which pretty isn't that hard

1361
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: if you're like a Yukon and who you face in

1362
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: the first two games. But I think if you get

1363
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: to the twelve team playoff every year and you win

1364
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: your opening game, it's hard to fire a guy because

1365
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: the reality is Chad Melman and I talked about this.

1366
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: Northern schools in the NIL most of them have more money.

1367
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: I think it's twelve of the top twenty three schools

1368
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: in terms of enrollment size are big ten schools. They

1369
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of graduates, a lot of those kids

1370
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: make a lot of money. They give money back to

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: the university, and that I think. I think the money

1372
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: between Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, even

1373
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, God, USC's up in the twenty million. Now.

1374
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: They may not spend it wisely, but they have a

1375
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: lot of money in their collective. And my take is

1376
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: nobody's going undefeated in college football. You will be able

1377
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: to eventually get in with three losses, but certainly two

1378
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: you can lose to your rival at home as a

1379
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: twenty one point favorite Ohio State, and that I think

1380
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: guys like if Ryan Day wins Natty, he set for

1381
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 2: the next four years. I think this playoff was great

1382
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: for college coaches.

1383
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: Well think about this, if you know, remember when baseball,

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: if there were no wildcards, you had to win your

1385
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: division to get into the playoffs. If that would have

1386
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: been in the NFL, Tom Coughlin wouldn't have made it

1387
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: past like two thousand and eight. I mean he won

1388
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: both his Super Bowls as a wild card, so forever.

1389
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: Like you said, neither one of these teams would have

1390
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: been in the final four. So I do give them

1391
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: a five chance to notre Dame because I think you

1392
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: saw with Texas. If you have a really good defense,

1393
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: ugly the thing up. Just stay in the game and

1394
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: then your quarterback needs to make some plays. Your guy

1395
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard's coming around on me. He made some big

1396
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: throws in that game against Penn State, two huge throws.

1397
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: If he can be superman, control the clock, run the ball.

1398
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: You know, I heard people saying they run a lot

1399
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: of man demand defense, where Texas played a lot of

1400
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: zone against them and it's slowed down Jeremiah Smith, So

1401
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 1: can they change their defensive game plan? Al Golden's a

1402
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: really good defense. Like the coaching in this game, and

1403
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: really in the Final four, I mean, all these coordinators

1404
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: are seven figure guys. I thought the Final four in

1405
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: college football felt like today in the end, it was

1406
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: really high level two nights, and I do think, you know,

1407
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: coaching belief, like if you're Notre Dame right now, you've

1408
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: just beat Georgia and Penn State. You just talked about

1409
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: the talent both those rosters. If you pulled the top

1410
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: thirty college coaches, they would take Georgia and Penn State's

1411
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: roster over Notre Dame right over Marcus from They have

1412
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: to be believing that they can win. Now, this is

1413
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: going to be the toughest test. But what if Will Howard,

1414
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: who had a little stretch where he looked like Peyton

1415
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: Manning in his prime, just has an off half a turnover.

1416
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just get a freaky fumble. First split second,

1417
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: I thought the Ravens were gonna win, and then Mark

1418
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: Andrews fumbles the ball right right. I thought the Rams

1419
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: were gonna win, and then all of a sudden, Jalen

1420
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: Carter sacks a big play and a key moment. These

1421
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: are nineteen year old guys, not thirty two year old

1422
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: four time pro bowler, guy worth one hundred million dollars,

1423
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: who's seen you know, already been divorced, seen a lot

1424
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: in his life. Things can change fast. We saw Ohio

1425
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: State they gotten that weird game with Michigan and kind

1426
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: of crumbled. The only thing is, I do think from

1427
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: that moment on it's been like an enlightening moment for

1428
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: the team. But I think you can say the same

1429
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: thing about Notre Dame. That NIU loss right kind of

1430
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: was an enlightening moment for them. They have not looked

1431
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 1: back since. So I'm running for Notre Dame. I'm Ohio

1432
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: State hater, but I just think it'd be a pretty

1433
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: cool story. If Notre Dame it'd be one of the

1434
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: bigger upsets. What are they eight and a half point.

1435
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: Underdock, Marcus Freeman with his energy, and I think you

1436
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: see this now in college football a lot of these

1437
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: older coaches like Brian Kelly, I'm not sure. I don't

1438
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: think he wants the I mean, Chip Kelly wouldn't recruit

1439
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: at the end. I don't think Brian Kelly's He's not.

1440
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: Dabble the best recruiters. It's Kirby, you know, Dabbo for

1441
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: a long time, who's kind of viewed a little older now.

1442
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: But Ryan Day, Steve Sarkisian. I mean that's the thing

1443
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: with Lincoln. It's like Lincoln, you're young. Where's your energy

1444
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,919
Speaker 1: with this? Dan Lanning, It's like you guys, Kenny Dillingham,

1445
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you need some.

1446
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 3: It's a lot, It is all right.

1447
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff love chopping it up for about an hour

1448
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: and ten to fifteen minutes.

1449
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: Loved it.

1450
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 2: He has a podcast, three and out former NFL Scout

1451
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: and Ohio State Notre Dame.

1452
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

1453
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: We're doing this Sunday night on the docket for tomorrow.

1454
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, see you tomorrow.

1455
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: The volume