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Speaker 2: I'm Chuck Todd.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. So slight

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Speaker 1: NATO like security agreements to Katar. NATO likes security agreements

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Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia, So in his mind, why wouldn't we

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Speaker 1: give a NATO like security agreement to Ukraine. So I

439
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: guess he's for that if Putin will sign off on that, right.

440
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Speaker 1: So he just wants a deal anyway he can get

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Speaker 1: a deal. So he got to Putin agree to something great.

442
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Speaker 1: Let's see if we enforce you know, Zelenski to take

443
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: this in because Trump just wants to quick win. Problem is,

444
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: there's no quick win here, and I think we're going

445
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: to find out again. You know, this is going to

446
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: be like boy, I think we've all seen this movie before.

447
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: Trump gets it in his head that he's got a

448
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Speaker 1: deal and he's going to get one. Then sort of

449
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Speaker 1: the pro Ukraine side of and this is where I

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Speaker 1: give I want to give Trump credit for this. He

451
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Speaker 1: has people on his team at the moment that he

452
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Speaker 1: listens to that disagree on what on Who's essentially who

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Speaker 1: should have the upper hand in any sort of peace negotiations.

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Speaker 2: You have JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance sort of essentially on the Putin side of things,

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Speaker 1: very skeptical of Ukraine in general, skeptical of Zelensky, skeptical

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Speaker 1: of whether it's a democracy we should trust. You've got

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Speaker 1: a Marco Rubio who feels everything that Vance feels about

459
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Speaker 1: Zelenski and Ukraine is what Rubio feels about Putin and Russia.

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Speaker 1: And so the fact is they both have the presidents here.

461
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: All Trump wants is a win, right. I know some

462
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Speaker 1: of you may think there's other, no other devious motives here.

463
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Speaker 1: All he wants is a win. And I am now

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Speaker 1: of the mindset that the reason he always seems so

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Speaker 1: portive of Putin is because he did know Putin helped

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Speaker 1: him in sixteen, and whether he knew he was coordinating

467
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Speaker 1: with him, I don't think there's been any proof of that.

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Speaker 1: But anybody that's supportive of him and says anything nice

469
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Speaker 1: to him, he's going to say nice things right back.

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Speaker 1: Did we not see that? On Zo on Mam, Donnie,

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Speaker 1: I promise you, mom, Donnie went in there, showed him

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Speaker 1: where they agree on a few things, and he just,

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Speaker 1: you know, great, look at me right whenever it's.

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Speaker 3: About him, him him.

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Speaker 1: So in that sense, Putin publicly flattered him and he's like,

476
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Speaker 1: why not. And if Putin wants to help me, great.

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00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, in Trump's mind he can't be bought off.

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Speaker 1: But he's gladly will take anybody's help. And the truth

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Speaker 1: is it's loyalty with him has always been a one

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Speaker 1: way street. You're loyal to him, great, It doesn't necessarily

481
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Speaker 1: mean he's going to return that loyalty if you're ever

482
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Speaker 1: in trouble. So I'm more inclined to believe that in

483
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Speaker 1: weird way, Trump is kind of agnostic. He just he's

484
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: just impatient and wants a deal and wants to and look,

485
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Speaker 1: there's still a part of Zelensky that he views as

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Speaker 1: somehow part of his first impeachment. And so that is

487
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Speaker 1: something that that I don't think Trump's ever going to drop,

488
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: which is why he's so easily brought back on sort

489
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Speaker 1: of the pro Putin side of things. Whenever somebody gets there,

490
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Speaker 1: get get gets there, uh, get gets sort of into that,

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Speaker 1: you know, gets their claws back into him on that

492
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Speaker 1: side of things, right, it appears at Steve Woodkoff is

493
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: a pretty easy mark for the Russians. They always seem

494
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Speaker 1: to get the best possible version of what they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get across at times even better than they thought

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Speaker 1: they could get.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I'm skeptical that this deal is that this one

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Speaker 1: that that that the US is now shopping to the Russians,

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Speaker 1: that has a lot more security guarantees for Ukraine, probably

501
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Speaker 1: doesn't eliminate the possibility that Ukraine can join NATO. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine Ukraine agreeing to anything that would limit where

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Speaker 1: they could get their security guarantees from. So that's going

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00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: to be if you told me that you know they've tried.

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00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: Zelensky shows up in mar A Lago for Thanksgiving dinner

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Speaker 1: and they have a great relationship.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean we.

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Speaker 1: Get anywhere there on the long term on this front,

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Speaker 1: until Putin is convinced he can't win this militarily. I

510
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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see u ceas fire. And

511
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: right now Putin still thinks that he can. He said,

512
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, there's no Yes, they hold elections, but

513
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Speaker 1: you know there's no pressure for him to get something

514
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Speaker 1: done before he's quote termed out right. Putin will play

515
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Speaker 1: a longer game. I do think that he knows Trump

516
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Speaker 1: is a lamee doc and that he probably only has

517
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Speaker 1: one more year to sort of take advantage of the

518
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Speaker 1: fact that this is going to be the most I

519
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Speaker 1: don't want to say the most pro Putin president you

520
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Speaker 1: could have, but certainly the least oppositional to Putin that

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Speaker 1: you're going to have, whoever the next president is, unless

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Speaker 1: it's JdE Vance. I don't think you're going to have

523
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Speaker 1: somebody as soft on Putin as you have a Trump.

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Speaker 1: And Putin is smart enough to know this and know

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Speaker 1: that his window is closing. So does does he see

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Speaker 1: you know? At one point and this is a this

527
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Speaker 1: is going to be a question of whether Rubyo, Vance

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Speaker 1: and Trump can all get into the same on the

529
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Speaker 1: same page on this, but there might be a window

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Speaker 1: where they can make Putin think the best deal you're

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Speaker 1: ever going to get from an American president is the

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Speaker 1: one that's on the table at some point. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't take this, Trump becomes less powerful, has less

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Speaker 1: ability to get this through, and you get to the

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Speaker 1: point where Zelenski or Ukraine would rather make the bet

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Speaker 1: to see who the next president is. And then there's

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Speaker 1: one other aspect to this deal. It's possible that Trump

538
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Speaker 1: has so retreated from what I mean, we do provide

539
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: valuable intelligence still to the Ukrainians, but we're not providing

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00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: that many weapons anymore. There's sort of an indirect way

541
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Speaker 1: that we're providing weapons of Ukraine. It sell it to NATO.

542
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Speaker 1: NATO then sells it to Ukraine, right and some sort

543
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Speaker 1: of or the EU gives it or sells it to Ukraine.

544
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Speaker 1: But frankly, it's Europe that is providing a lion's share

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Speaker 1: of the military support for Ukraine. So it isn't clear

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Speaker 1: how much leverage Trump actually has over Zelenski. There's I

547
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Speaker 1: think perceived leverage that he has in Zelensky does not

548
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Speaker 1: want an antagonistic relationship with Trump, but given how little

549
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: we're now supporting the Ukrainians beyond intelligence, I think there's

550
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: an open question of really how much leverage does Trump have.

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00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Trump had real leverage yahoo he could force him to

552
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: sign that deal. He does not have the same kind

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00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: of leverage at the moment because he's chosen to take

554
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: that leverage away right by pulling back. You know, most

555
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Speaker 1: of what's being sent over to Ukraine directly from the

556
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: United States are deals that Biden cut, and they're just

557
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: fulfilling the rest of those deals. So I think that

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00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: also will contribute to whether there's you know, whether frankly,

559
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Speaker 1: the United States is the proper mediator here at this point,

560
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: or whether it's going to be the Europeans that are

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Speaker 1: going to have to be the chief negotiating sort of

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Speaker 1: mediator here, or maybe it's Turkey, right, you know, in

563
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: that respect. So I think it's I think we ought

564
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: to be a bit skeptical of any deal coming together.

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: One other thing, by the way, we're noticing with this

566
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: debate about this peace deal, right, Vance and his guy,

567
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, seemed to have been the

568
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: point people getting this very Russia centric deal that has

569
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: since been rejected. Now you've got sort of Marko Rubio

570
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: working with the Europeans getting a bit more of a

571
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Ukrainian centric So we're starting to see the real split, Right,

572
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: there's a Rubio wing, there's a van swing. Perhaps Vance

573
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: and Rubio are partnership that continues forward in twenty twenty eight,

574
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: who knows. And I think that that's the other thing

575
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: that has happened, and I think is why I'm skeptical

576
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Trump has any chance of bringing of sort of keeping

577
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: this coalition from fracturing at the moment. I think you

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00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of folks, whether it's Marjorie Taylor Green,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Ted Cruz, whether it's JD. Vance, whether it's

580
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Speaker 1: Marko Rubio, who are all starting to think about life

581
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: post Trump and seeing what part of the Trump coalition

582
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: can they best appeal to. And I think you're starting

583
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: to see some of those lines start to develop. And

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00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: that's yet another of when your presidency has become has

585
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: hit lame duck status, and why I think suddenly this

586
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: could be almost a slippery slope of Republican despair between

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Speaker 1: now and November of twenty twenty six. Right that you've

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Speaker 1: got more people focused on the post Trump era that

589
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: begins in twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight, You've

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Speaker 1: got more Republicans thinking twenty twenty six isn't going to

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Speaker 1: be a good year to be on the ballot. Do

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Speaker 1: I even bother being on the ballot? Do I decide

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Speaker 1: to sit back, go get a job, and then maybe

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Speaker 1: run for office again in twenty seven or twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: But the point is.

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Speaker 1: We're something is shifted here, right, and we see pieces

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00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: of it. We saw pieces of it with this Marjorie

598
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Speaker 1: Taylor Green resignation and the fallout from that. We actually

599
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: see fracturing of the Trump coalition in this debate about

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Speaker 1: which peace Steel, who was involved in which peace Steel

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Speaker 1: vance involved in the Russian centric peace Steel Rubio being

602
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the godfather a bit of the Ukrainian centric piece deal.

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00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: So this fracturing is starting to You're starting to see

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Speaker 1: it's almost like there's there's more ripples, right. You know,

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00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: first it was the Epstein files that began it, and

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Speaker 1: then now you're starting to see more cracks, and I

607
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: suspect more cracks are coming. And again everybody's going to

608
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: be looking for what's the trigger? What's the trigger? There's

609
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: a simple answer for it. I think no political movement.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're just at the shelf. This is called

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Speaker 1: shelf life. Everybody has a shelf life. Trust me, I'm aware, right,

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Speaker 1: You always want to you always want to be aware

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: from OutKick. Others may know him Clay and Buck. I

651
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Speaker 1: know him through a different variety of ways. We're both

652
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Speaker 1: GW guys, and I know the coach of GW Basketball

653
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: is trying to get the two of us to raise

654
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Speaker 1: more money for their nil.

655
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Speaker 2: So here we are. Clay.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on the podcast.

657
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me on. Yes, hopefully the

658
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Speaker 2: colonials of your returning to the Ncaattornament tournament. Listen to

659
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Speaker 2: colonials colonials. Well, yeah, well that's a good point. The Revolutionaries,

660
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: whatever the heck they're calling them now. I was at

661
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Speaker 2: GW ninety seven to one, and so we went to

662
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Speaker 2: the tournament ninety seven and ninety eight I guess that

663
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Speaker 2: would have been ninety eight ninety nine March, and then

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed Thecarl Hobbs era when we had a lot

665
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Speaker 2: of wins there. But I was at the end of

666
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Speaker 2: Mike Jarvis and Tom Penders. For those of you who

667
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: are diehard college back, I got there. I was there.

668
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Speaker 1: I was ninety to ninety four, and so I got

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Speaker 1: the sweet you were, Yinka Dare you were in I got, Yinka.

670
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Speaker 1: I was at the game in the Kingdome, the old Kingdome.

671
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Speaker 1: GW's in the Sweet sixteen playing Michigan, the Great Michigan team,

672
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Speaker 1: the Fab five team.

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Speaker 3: The timeout.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the team that does the timeout. Two

675
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Speaker 1: games later, if Yinka Dare boxes out Chris Weber once,

676
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Speaker 1: just once because they couldn't hit a free throw. It

677
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: was it was that. It was that, and we narrowly

678
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Speaker 1: lose that game. If we win that game, we should

679
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: have won that game, just one rebound.

680
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: We win that game.

681
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Speaker 1: GW's playing temple for the right to go to the

682
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Speaker 1: final four. That's what that would have been an eight

683
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Speaker 1: all at the time, in all eight ten.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the year that GW went twenty nine

685
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: to one and lost terrible schedule? Yeah, you wunc Wilmington

686
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Speaker 2: in the first round, then lost to Duke in the

687
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Speaker 2: next round. I was there for both those games, which

688
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: was which was a lot of fun in Greensboro, North Carolina,

689
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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. But that year George Mason went

690
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Speaker 2: to the final four.

691
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Speaker 1: If that was a real stomach punch to the they

692
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Speaker 1: came out of nowhere.

693
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Speaker 2: So that was the year. I think GW had the

694
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Speaker 2: best talent since I was a student, to be able

695
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: to make an actual run, and instead George Mason went

696
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: to the Final four with Jim Laernega who would later

697
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: take what Miami to the final four, I think as well.

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Speaker 1: And had that assistant coach named Chris Caputo who were

699
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: now were living with now and I you know, GW's

700
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Speaker 1: not so crappy this.

701
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Speaker 2: Year, I think again. I mean I think they should

702
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Speaker 2: be a twenty one team, and yeah, I had a

703
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Speaker 2: good dinner with Chris and I hope that I hope

704
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Speaker 2: he can put us in the mix to be back

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Speaker 2: in the NCAA tournament. Come come March.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I wrote my check. Jake Sherman of our

707
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: punch Bowl wrote his check. We need you to write

708
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Speaker 1: your check. Brother, I told him I owe him a check.

709
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Speaker 1: I've given a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: I've also grew up a huge University of Tennessee fan,

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Speaker 2: and I've given quite a bit of money to their

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Speaker 2: in il fund.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hurric I'm a University of Miami. But you

714
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Speaker 1: know it's fun about I do University of Miami. That

715
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Speaker 1: way I can give GW seems much more appreciative sometimes

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Speaker 1: than my friends at the U.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot less people who are donating money

718
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Speaker 2: to GW. I think for athletics, so that you're at

719
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: a higher even if you're not necessarily given crazy amounts

720
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Speaker 2: of money, you're at a higher or seme theyor for that.

721
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the It's so funny. My son

722
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Speaker 1: didn't even know I was interviewing you today and he

723
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: threw it and I'm I'm gonna bounce the same question

724
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Speaker 1: off of you that he said me, and he goes, hey, dad,

725
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Speaker 1: what do you think of McAfee interviewing Trump?

726
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Speaker 3: And then he answered his own text. He goes, I

727
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Speaker 3: think it's kind of cool.

728
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Speaker 1: Then on Veterans Day you interviewed the president and then

729
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Speaker 1: he goes, but I wish Trump wouldn't do politics. When

730
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Speaker 1: he did the interview, it was just interesting the way him.

731
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Speaker 2: To receive it.

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Speaker 1: Are you a sports guy that does politics or you

733
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Speaker 1: a politics guy that's doing sports and politics?

734
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Speaker 2: How do you describe yourself? So I think I'll go

735
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Speaker 2: on McAfee first. I would imagine you probably feel this way.

736
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Speaker 2: If the President of the United States is interested in

737
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Speaker 2: coming on your show, you have to say what time?

738
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Speaker 2: What time do I get there to do the interview?

739
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Speaker 3: You know, okay who the president is?

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Speaker 2: Right? You're like, yes, please, yeah, yeah. When I did

741
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Speaker 2: local sports talker radio, we requested Barack Obama because he

742
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Speaker 2: was going to be in Nashville. And what you learn

743
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: is the President's always being requested for interviews and he

744
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Speaker 2: picks and chooses whoever he would like to do. And

745
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Speaker 2: I've interviewed President Trump eleven times now, I've interviewed him

746
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Speaker 2: at mar Lage Go Benminster, the White House Air Force One.

747
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Speaker 2: I feel like I've probably talked to him as much

748
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Speaker 2: or more than almost anybody in the media. But the

749
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Speaker 2: first time I had him on, I got a phone call.

750
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Speaker 2: I thought I was getting pranked, and they said, hey,

751
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Speaker 2: we'd like to put President Trump on your sports talk

752
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Speaker 2: radio show, and so I said immediately yes. So McAfee

753
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Speaker 2: made the right choice. I don't think it's a difficult one. Oh.

754
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Speaker 2: I don't either. When you interview Trump, I mean, he's

755
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a bull in a china shop.

756
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: He goes in so many different directions. Even professional political

757
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: interviewers can be challenged by trying to corral that. So

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Speaker 2: I thought he did a fine job. I went and

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Speaker 2: watched it. I give him a credit. I think a

760
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Speaker 2: lot of people who are criticizing him are jealous because

761
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Speaker 2: they haven't had the President of the United States on

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Speaker 2: their show, and I suspect almost all of them would

763
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Speaker 2: say yes. Now, the second part of your question, I

764
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: think both look sports and politics became so inextricably intertwined

765
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Speaker 2: during COVID that it became impossible. I mean or not

766
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: you were going to play sports was connected with whether

767
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: schools were going to be open, which was whether. And

768
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Speaker 2: I did a sports talk radio show for three hours

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Speaker 2: every day in March, April, May June of twenty twenty

770
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Speaker 2: with no sports, which is something that nobody ever really

771
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: prepares for, and our ratings and our audience skyrocketing during

772
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Speaker 2: that time. And then Rush Limbaud died in February of

773
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and I had the same bosses Premiere

774
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Speaker 2: Radio distributes Fox Sports Radio, Colin Kler, Dan Patrick for

775
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: those of you who know those guys. I was their

776
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: lead in and my boss, Julie Talbot came and said,

777
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Speaker 2: we'd like for you to go with Buck and take

778
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: over this new radio show. So at some point in time,

779
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: maybe the world gets back to being sane and I

780
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Speaker 2: go back. I mean, I've got a daily show on

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Speaker 2: FS one, weekly show. Sorry, I'm done daily shows on

782
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: FS one that are entirely pretty much sports. I love

783
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Speaker 2: college football, It's my favorite thing in the world of sports.

784
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: I love the NFL. But ultimately, when I had that opportunity,

785
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: they pitched me and they said, the biggest sports show

786
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: that you could ever do in the history of the

787
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: country is going to have a Pinprick as influential as

788
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Speaker 2: what you can do if you take over this new

789
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Speaker 2: radio show. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rush was a political guy who clearly wanted

791
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Speaker 1: to get into sports. Yeah, and you know, we had

792
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Speaker 1: that brief moment at ESPN and it became a thing

793
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: and right, you know, and look they made a you know,

794
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: I have any I think publicly traded companies just shouldn't

795
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: own media companies because they're they're two, they don't have

796
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: any spines. Yeah, they're reactionary. They're going to be rare

797
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: and they're always going to be reactionary. That's right, and

798
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Speaker 1: that is what it is. In some ways, the halo

799
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Speaker 1: of independence is better for the person in the actual

800
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Speaker 1: media seat. You've essentially taken the time slot. And do

801
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Speaker 1: you when you think about the three hours, do you

802
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Speaker 1: say to yourself, we're going to do seventy percent sports

803
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Speaker 1: thirty percent politics or do you really just sort of

804
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Speaker 1: let the zeitgeist of the day decide.

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Speaker 2: Well, Buck, my co host is not a sports guy.

806
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Speaker 2: So there are lots of shows where we do almost

807
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: no sports at all. Now I do a show called OutKick,

808
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: the show that comes on as soon as I finish

809
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: the radio program, and it is, to a large extent,

810
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: especially during football season, very much sports driven. So I

811
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Speaker 2: would say, you know, and obviously OutKick, which I'm still

812
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: involved in fairly substantially editorially, and everything else. The site

813
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Speaker 2: that I sold the Fox four years ago. I think

814
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Speaker 2: if you pulled it up at any given time, for instance,

815
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Speaker 2: right now, I think you would see seventy five or

816
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Speaker 2: eighty percent, particularly during October, you know, in November, when

817
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: we're in the middle of football season, that would be

818
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: very clearly sports driven. So I think day to day,

819
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Speaker 2: depending on the stories, I'm not an x as an

820
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: O's guy. I've never been an x as An O's guy,

821
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Speaker 2: but I still think of myself as someone who does both.

822
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Speaker 2: And the bigger context I would say is we've always

823
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: done at out Kick a lot of everything. So whatever

824
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: is popular in pop culture, sports, politics, we kind of

825
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: do it all it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, Bannon said it right. You know, culture

827
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Speaker 1: is downstream from politics, and you know, sports is a

828
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: bigger part of our culture today than it was when

829
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: you and I were kids. Sports was important, but it

830
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: was weirdly separated. Now I would argue sportsism is weaved

831
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Speaker 1: in to culture. The way movies and music the way

832
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: we would have that would have been described as culture before,

833
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: and sports always was considered separate.

834
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Speaker 2: I don't think we do that anymore. Yeah. Well, I

835
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Speaker 2: also think there's a huge demand for authenticity and a

836
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: profoundly and authentic age, and so I think sports matters

837
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: even more because there's less frankly bullshit in sports, like

838
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: you either can you win or you lose?

839
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Speaker 3: Like there's no subjectiveness to it.

840
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Speaker 2: Right, Like in the book I just finished, I have

841
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: the argument you probably would sign onto this that the

842
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: scoreboard is the last trusted objective measure of reality in

843
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: American society because you try to get it right. There

844
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: was a guy on a three point line or not?

845
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: Was the guy put in or not? Everybody aspires to

846
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: the same goal, and both sides still start scoreless, right,

847
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: You still start on an even playing field and everybody.

848
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean we don't have officiating controversies or gambling

849
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: controversies everything else, but the objective reality of the scoreboard.

850
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: At the end of the game, we have a winner

851
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: and a loser, and people accept the result.

852
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: How much Because I think about this a lot, there's

853
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: an audience that I want And then there's the audience

854
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: that you have.

855
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Speaker 3: Have you thought about that?

856
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: There's the audience that you have versus the audience that

857
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: you want, and how hard is it to.

858
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, let me before I follow.

859
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: Up, do you have the audience that you want? Or

860
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: do you have the audience that you have?

861
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: I think I have the audience that likes me, and

862
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: you know that's maybe my wife's answer is, you know, like,

863
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why anybody likes this guy. You know,

864
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Speaker 2: I think for a long time I wanted an audience period.

865
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Speaker 2: So I started writing online in two thousand and four

866
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: as a practicing attorney with an audience board attorney that

867
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: was like with an audience with an audience of zero.

868
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: And I remember writing articles and thinking, boy, if I

869
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: could have one hundred people reading me a day, a

870
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: thousand people reading me to day ten thousand, what a

871
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: pipe dream? You know. I talk to millions of people

872
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: every day now, across radio, TV and certainly the Internet.

873
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: And what I would say is my audience, if I

874
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: had to characterize them, is simply, if you love football,

875
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: if you vote in Trump, and if you think wearing

876
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: masks was bullshit, you hunt I have one hundred percent

877
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: name recognition with that group. Now, I think my arguments

878
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: would appeal to lots of people that have no idea

879
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: I exist, And that has always been the challenge I

880
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: think for any person out there, is how do you

881
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: reach I don't worry about people who are going to

882
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: hate me. They can find me or not find me,

883
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. But I do still think quite

884
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: a lot about, Hey, there's people out there that are

885
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: in an SEC football stadium that might love everything that

886
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: I do or everything that out kick does, and they

887
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: still don't know that we exist. How do we reach

888
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: those people? I definitely think about that quite a lot.

889
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: Because that's something that I, you know, as I've looked

890
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: as my first year sort of being independent, and you

891
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: sit here and you're like, it's you can. You can

892
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: grow an audience fast, But sometimes then your audience is

893
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: in charge of your editorial. Yeah, how often do you

894
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: think about that that I'm going to say something that

895
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: is going to piss off my audience? Now, my guess

896
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: is you're established enough that, in fact, you probably enjoy

897
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: zagging every once in a while because it's kind of fun.

898
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: And you strike me as somebody that actually would prefer

899
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: a debate than an amen choir.

900
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And also remember I came out

901
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: of the Internet, and the analogy that I made in

902
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: my most recent book, and I'll sometimes make it on

903
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: shows too, is the Internet's the ultimate meritocracy because you

904
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: are competing against everybody. There is no group ABC or

905
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: CBS or NBC or Fox News or CNN or MSNBC.

906
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: Isn't saying we have chosen this guy or this gal.

907
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: We believe they are successful and we're going to present

908
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: them to you. I started with nothing, as I said,

909
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: and I had to convince people that they should care

910
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: what my opinion was. And so when we when I

911
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: started doing a lot more of Fox News, which really

912
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: only was about four years ago, that dynamic changed because

913
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: suddenly we were getting the people who had known me

914
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: from the Internet for a long time and the people

915
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: who were being exposed to me on television. And so,

916
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: but don't I don't think about that at all, because

917
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: I think Charles Barkley gave me a great line on

918
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: this a long time ago, said, if you worry about

919
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: the opinions of people who don't like you, then eventually

920
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 2: the people who do like you won't like you either,

921
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: And so I think my you know, my wife says

922
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: my gift to the extent that I have any is

923
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: I say exactly what I think, and then I leave

924
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: my shows and I have no weight on my shoulders

925
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: because I said everything that I want to say. And

926
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: I just don't really care. I mean, I care if

927
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: my kids like me. I care if my wife likes me.

928
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: I care if the people who are in close proximity

929
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: to me. I'm not an energy vampire, right, I don't

930
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: want to make their life miserable. But if a random

931
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: person agrees or disagrees with me, it doesn't really change

932
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: my life in any way. And I just don't particularly care. You, Uh,

933
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: how did you get there?

934
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: Because everybody, look, everybody in this business at first cares

935
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: a lot, and then uh I did, and then I didn't. Yeah,

936
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: And it was just this moment, and you know, sometimes

937
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: it's security in your job, sometimes it's security just in

938
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: your life, whatever it is. Do you remember when you

939
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: decided where it just was like, man, I really don't care,

940
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: and in fact, I'm not checking mentions, I'm not looking

941
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: at that stuff anymore.

942
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think a couple of things. One, when

943
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: I went to college at GW. I'm born and raised Nashville. Nashville.

944
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: Everybody's very friendly. Everybody on the East Coast I thought

945
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: were assholes.

946
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: And so for me for those of these because we

947
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: think everybody in New York's the asshole.

948
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it and it screws up. I remember, like

949
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: almost everybody at GW is from New York, it felt like,

950
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: and a lot of them are fir from Long Island,

951
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: and I had no idea what I was walking in.

952
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: I was a Miami boy. I felt they thought I

953
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: was a Southerner. It was really funny.

954
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: They me with two freshmen, one from Louisiana, one from Alabama,

955
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: because they thought, well, you guys will have something in common,

956
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and we kind of sure we were all from the South.

957
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: But it was like, I joke, when you're from Miami,

958
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: I'm from the sixth Borough of New York.

959
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know. So yeah it was so it

960
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: toughened me up, and I cared a lot when I

961
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: was a freshman in college about what people thought about me.

962
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: By the time I was a sophomore, I didn't even

963
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: care what people really thought about me in college. So

964
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: I think that was important for me because it prepared

965
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: me for the Internet. And on the Internet, everybody's mean

966
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: as hell, So when you're coming out of the Internet,

967
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: people are means to you from the get go. So

968
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: I didn't really ever have that world where I was

969
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: seeking affirmation. Remember, I was a lawyer. Writing online was

970
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: my escape. It was my sanity.

971
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: And even that's a job that everybody hates lawyers but

972
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: until they need one.

973
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also being a lawyer is a really tough job.

974
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: So I was unique in that the Internet was my serenity,

975
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: was my escape from the serious things in life, because

976
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm a twenty five year old kid dealing with a

977
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: lot of complicated legal issues, and frankly, I didn't love

978
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: that job. So even though people might be mean on

979
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: the Internet, I had to creative freedom to be able

980
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 2: to write and say whatever I thought on any issue,

981
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: which was a lot different than being a young lawyer,

982
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: where your job is to advocate for anybody who's paying

983
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: your salary. Right. So young lawyers have to come to

984
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: grips with this because you go to law school for

985
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: three years and it's amazing. You sit around and you

986
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: debate Marmary Madison Brown versus very smart Yeah, and then

987
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: you get into the practice of law, and it's like, hey,

988
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: you've got twenty eight days to have a response on

989
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: this procedural mechanism that you don't care about at all,

990
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: and the client is only caring about you and the

991
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: context of are you making their life better? So I

992
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: put all that out there to say, for me, me

993
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 2: was my happy place where I went to get away

994
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: from the serious things that were going on in life.

995
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: So I think I got tougher in college. But then

996
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: also I wasn't looking for affirmation in the media space.

997
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: I was a lawyer who was doing media, which was

998
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: a different dynamic.

999
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: Do you regret going to law school knowing what you're

1000
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: doing now or do you love that you.

1001
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: Had that education. I think it was the best decision

1002
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: I made because it prepares you. First of all, I

1003
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: met my wife. I've got three boys now because of it.

1004
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: But I loved Vanderbilt Law School. It was the best,

1005
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: most fun three years of my life. Many of my

1006
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: best friends to this day are people that I met

1007
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: in that class in those three years. And really what

1008
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: you learn is how to analyze arguments, how to analyze

1009
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: different perspectives and come to right conclusion. What I would

1010
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: say now is I basically am a judge, right, I

1011
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: look at all the evidence, I consider all the arguments,

1012
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: and then instead of having to be bound by whoever's

1013
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: paying my paycheck, right as a lawyer would be, you

1014
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: advocate for one side or the other, I look at

1015
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: the facts and I say, hey, this is where I

1016
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: come down on this issue, and let me tell you why.

1017
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: But I don't feel bound or obligated to be in

1018
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: any particular decision when it comes to that. In fact,

1019
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: I think of the arguments that I make in many

1020
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: ways in the context of a judge, where you have

1021
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: to be aware of the precedent you're setting every time

1022
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: you adopt a perspective. And I think if you went

1023
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: through all my positions over time, you would say, hey,

1024
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: you know, this guy has built opinions that stand on

1025
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: the precedent over time that sometimes cut across in a

1026
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: significant way political lines.

1027
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Is there a one of the things you noted is

1028
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: how with sports, there's you know, the scoreboard is the

1029
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: ultimate yeah arbiter. What could we do in the world

1030
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: of politics and government to bring that to bring that

1031
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: kind of Is it possible or should it not be?

1032
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: Should it always be?

1033
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: Because ultimately, in a democracy, there's never going to be

1034
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent consensus. If you have it, you're probably

1035
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: not living in a democracy. So are we Just does

1036
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: everybody need to accept the premise that, guess what, sometimes

1037
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: you're on the sixty percent side and sometimes you're on

1038
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: the forty percent side, Welcome to America. Or do we

1039
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: need a better way to cover politics that creates a.

1040
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: That allows people to see what's right and what's wrong.

1041
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: I think the distinction between fact and opinion is one

1042
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: that is not established as well as it could be.

1043
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: To me, you may disagree with a ton of my opinions.

1044
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: That's healthy, that's happy, like, let's go. But if I

1045
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: get factor wrong, I feel sick to my stomach. So

1046
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: because to me, opinions are only as good as the

1047
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: facts upon which they're based. And so I think and

1048
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: again there, I think a lot of times even the

1049
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: fact checkers very vere into the opinion space. But I

1050
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: think the distinction there is super important. My biggest concern

1051
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: in the political sphere is, and I don't know how

1052
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: much time you spent on this, I don't think we're

1053
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: represented by the best and brightest of us. And I

1054
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: think there are tons of super smart people who have

1055
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: success in other facets of life, and success in business

1056
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: pays so much better. Success in media pays so much

1057
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: better that I think a lot of people who would

1058
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: otherwise be very skilled in politics actually just say it's

1059
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: not worth the cost that both financially and personally.

1060
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: This is the biggest problem going No. I mean, the

1061
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: joke about DC was Hollywood for ugly people. Yeah, and

1062
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, I look at a guy like George Santos

1063
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: and this is a guy who just wanted to be famous. Yeah, right,

1064
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, and we have these people, right, you just

1065
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: want to be famous. I mean, there's this new mini

1066
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: series about Garfield on Netflix where and I've done a

1067
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: lot of research on that assassin and that guy who

1068
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: assassinated him good Toe, and that's all good Toe was.

1069
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: He was desperate for relevance and fame. And it does

1070
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: feel as if if you can't find the fame in

1071
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: a in a nice space like Hollywood or entertainment politics,

1072
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, because anybody can do it, right. The only

1073
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: requirement there's an age requirement for Congress, but basically that's it, right,

1074
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: There's no other there's no other thing you have to

1075
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: have other than citizenship and residency in some form. And

1076
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: I do worry that politics now because if you win,

1077
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: you get a platform that suddenly it has become the

1078
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: easier way to find fame if you have failed in

1079
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: every other part of your life.

1080
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if in an ideal world, people would

1081
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: be politicians only if they have been super successful at

1082
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: something else first. And I'll give you I could make it.

1083
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: I could make an argument that I'd rather see our

1084
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: state legislatures filled with people who are doing it like

1085
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: jury duty works that everybody should have to do a term.

1086
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: What I look at is, you know Nick Saban, You're

1087
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: a sports guy. I think Nick Saban would have been

1088
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: hugely successful at anything he did in life, right, He

1089
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: is a supremely talented guy. He could have been a

1090
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: CEO of a company, He could have been a great senator, governor.

1091
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: Instead he ended up coaching football. And I've made jokes

1092
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: about this before. Sometimes I think we waste guys like

1093
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: Nick Saban because, yeah, if you're an Alabama football fan,

1094
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: it's great, you want a bunch of Nationals.

1095
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: Saban, Jimmy Johnson, Bell Check. These guys had really nimble minds.

1096
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Why do we waste it on football?

1097
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, imagine if Abraham Lincoln, instead of being a president,

1098
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: had been a basketball coach, Like in retrospect, maybe he

1099
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: would have won some NCAA tournaments. But you know, like

1100
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: ending the ending we may have had that that maybe

1101
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: John Wooden.

1102
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: The more I've read about John Wooden, the more I've

1103
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: read it, You're like, man, this guy, well we wasted

1104
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: him and wasted Newts because sports is the toy chest

1105
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: of life.

1106
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: But what I mean there is there is a culture

1107
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: of success that would translate I think, and I worry

1108
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: but that both parties have ended up with not the

1109
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: best among us representing US.

1110
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, college football, I am, yeah, I am obsessed myself.

1111
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: I look I part of it always is, you know,

1112
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: your formative years or your formative years. I grew up

1113
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: going to University Miami football games when nobody was going,

1114
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 4: you know, but we win every game.

1115
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Anderson was my first guy. I got to live the eighties.

1116
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: That was, you know. I remember getting an autographed picture

1117
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Johnson before he ever coached a game because

1118
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: he was doing a meet and greet at the Jordan

1119
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: Marsh at Dailian Mall in Miami, and there weren't a

1120
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of people online because that's just sort of what

1121
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: Even after Miami wins a title, they were like, who

1122
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: the hell is this guy?

1123
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: Right? You know, all that thing.

1124
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: So I'm obsessive about it and I am glad to

1125
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: see it's more popular today than it was in the eighties.

1126
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: And I think Miami had a lot to do with

1127
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: that because I think we modernized football. It was a

1128
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: ship game in a lot of other conferences, and Miami

1129
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: brought sort of in Florida state, sort of brought more.

1130
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: Excitement to it.

1131
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: But how do we I hate what's happening here the

1132
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: SEC and Big Ten, the Super league business.

1133
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: I think it's terrible.

1134
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: That a college football fan in Spokane, Washington doesn't have

1135
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: relevance in the college football landscape.

1136
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: And I think that's a mistake.

1137
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: And I think that that is I think the two

1138
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: conferences have made a massive business mistake here by trying

1139
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: to shrink the world of college football. Rather than say

1140
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: to themselves, hey, we can do something the NFL can't.

1141
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: We can sell out a game and spoke cant they can't.

1142
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think the result is going to be what

1143
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: you just said, and has become basically the Big Ten

1144
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: and the SEC are the AFC and the NFC of

1145
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: college sports. And if you're not in one of those

1146
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: two conferences, I think you're going to struggle immensely to

1147
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: cut through the noise.

1148
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: The Miami in the Big Ten. At this point, Miami

1149
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: in Florida State, we're going to the Big Ten. Miami's

1150
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: got all the academic requirements now, AAU, all that business.

1151
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: And the only region the Big ten's not in is

1152
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: essentially the only important place.

1153
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's going to be an amazing battle.

1154
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: Is the ACC television deal is going to come up

1155
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: for people who are not in the weeds on this,

1156
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: and I suspect that there's going to be a flight

1157
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: of the best schools in the ACC into Big ten

1158
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: and SEC, and that's going to be the last kind

1159
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: of cultural marker there. Maybe you see a couple of

1160
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: Big twelve schools also get opportunities to make the move.

1161
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: I think Arizona and when you look at the markets, right,

1162
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: there's Phoenix. You're not going to let Phoenix go, right,

1163
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't you know, Arizona State in Arizona

1164
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: should be feeling alive. I wouldn't want to be in

1165
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. I wouldn't want to be an Iowa state perhaps,

1166
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: And then you see North Carolina and Virginia, those are

1167
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be the two big prizes. Then that'll be price.

1168
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: And it's interesting culturally because the SEC has still, even

1169
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: at sixteen, a unique cultural connection.

1170
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: Eighteen, wasn't it sixteen still? But I thought Oklahoma and

1171
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: next is made at eighteen.

1172
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: I guess maybe it's sixteen from fourteen after Missouri and

1173
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: A and at it. But if you look at it,

1174
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: they're all red states. And if you compare, say the

1175
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: difference between well Georgia, I would argue Georgia is at

1176
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 2: about it. Well, Brian Kimp won by eight but yes,

1177
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: you're right, they're the only it's the only one that's

1178
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: not right that potentially in question. Maybe going forward now

1179
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: North Carolina Virginia to your point, culturally, there might be

1180
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: a little bit different feel there, but there's a big

1181
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: difference between Oregon and Iowa, between Iowa and Maryland. I

1182
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: think the Big Ten has got challenges in that respect

1183
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: more so than the SEC does. And so I think

1184
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting for the Uvas, the North Carolinas of

1185
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: the world when that eventual day comes which conference, because

1186
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: I think the money is going to be somewhat similar.

1187
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: Which conference do they feel is a better cultural fit

1188
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: for their athletic programs And how does that shake out?

1189
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that will matter? I mean, I think

1190
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: I think they want to be national brands, not regional brands.

1191
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: Well, the SEC become a national brand. I mean, I've

1192
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: got a son who's applying to school. We were talking

1193
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: about when we went to GW. When I went away

1194
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: to GW and I talked about the University of Tennessee,

1195
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: it might as well have been like they have outhouses there,

1196
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: like do you still have running water? University of Tennessee

1197
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: has a thirty five percent acceptance right now because all

1198
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: of these kids from New York families, Chicago families, LA families,

1199
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: they're desperate to send their kids to SEC schools. Vanderbilt

1200
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 2: has a five percent acceptance rade now, it's almost impossible

1201
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: to get into Vanderbilt.

1202
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: It's really no Look, Miami's experience said, look all the

1203
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: Southern any southern school with a football or basketball atmosphere, particularly,

1204
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: this is something I think is a COVID hangover because

1205
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: we saw it at the at this you know, they've

1206
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: shown some how pre COVID. The Northeast schools were still

1207
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: and even the Upper Midwest schools were still arguably, at

1208
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: least in the DC area, more popular than going south.

1209
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: And in the last three years it's Southern schools from

1210
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: Georgia particularly like Georgia has been a popular landing spot.

1211
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: Miami and Tulane and the private my son's at SMU,

1212
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: you know that's in the private space, and the obviously

1213
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: ut Alabama.

1214
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: We've seen this really ole Miss.

1215
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: I think two of my son's closest friends are at

1216
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: ole Miss from from high school.

1217
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: So you do see this appeal.

1218
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: And it's in all of it seems to be, Hey,

1219
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: I want more than.

1220
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: Just academics, you know, I want to have a sphere too. No,

1221
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: I think that's called that's a factor and uh and

1222
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: that all kind of plays in in a significant way too.

1223
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: And I think it's also cultural. In the wake of

1224
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: October seventh, I think a lot of people who are

1225
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: Jewish have said, hey, you know, I don't know how

1226
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: I feel about Columbia or UCLA or some of these

1227
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: schools with the huge test even GW compared to the

1228
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: SEC schools where look, they had freedom of speech. But

1229
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: if you look at Vanderbilt. The chancellor just said, hey,

1230
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: you can protest, but you can't come take over our

1231
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: Central Kirkland Hall building like you're out.

1232
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: Innesty, Mimmy had nothing. My daughter is Jewish and yeah,

1233
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: puts it on her profile and there were no issues.

1234
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: It's also a private campus they didn't allow. This was interesting.

1235
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: She works in student affairs and she said, hey, Dad,

1236
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: I hope you're not offended by this, but the university

1237
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: won't let any media on campus without permission. I said, well,

1238
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: they're a private institution. They can Public institutions don't necessarily

1239
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: can necessarily do that.

1240
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as long as the standard is again this

1241
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: goes to the principle. As long as you establish whatever

1242
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: the principle is when it comes to protest on campus

1243
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: and apply it in a content neutral fashion, I think

1244
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: that's how you win. And I think the culture you

1245
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: mentioned old miss it used to be the case that,

1246
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 2: you know, you would send your kid the whole miss

1247
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 2: if they couldn't get in anywhere else. Now you got

1248
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: families in Manhattan Beach and you know, Westchester begging for

1249
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: their people love the velvet.

1250
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: I have a cousin who teaches there. People love the

1251
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: velvet ditch. It's my favorite description of Oxford. Yeah, you know,

1252
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: and the beauty of Oxford. You know, if you live

1253
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: in Oxford, the beauty of Oxford is you're still thirty

1254
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: minutes from Mississippi.

1255
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, that's true, and it's a great spot. I

1256
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: was just down there interviewing Lane Kiffin, and the big

1257
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: question for coaching carousel talk is, you know, everybody is

1258
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 2: waiting to see what Lane's going to do, basically, and

1259
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: if he goes to Florida, or he goes to LSU,

1260
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: or he makes the move, then everybody else starts to

1261
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: adjust their decisions as a result as well.

1262
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: What would be the motivation for him to leave?

1263
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: I think that he believes that he can't get to

1264
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: the championship level at Ole Miss and only he knows.

1265
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he certainly has proven I think that he

1266
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: can get to the playoff but he may see that

1267
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: if he wants to get to the Ohio State or

1268
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: Alabama next verbial levels, so to speak, where you can

1269
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: win multiple playoff games and whin it's titled that maybe

1270
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: he needs to go to Florida or to LSU. I'm

1271
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: not sure that an answer is that he does but

1272
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: I think that's actually a sign of how the expanded

1273
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 2: playoff has maybe convinced people that they don't need to move.

1274
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: But I think that's the thing that he's wrestling with

1275
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: right now. How do we get rid of the because

1276
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: my beef.

1277
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: Look, I am coming at this with my Miami bias

1278
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: about the committee. Excuse me what I referred to as

1279
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 1: the ESPN Invitational, Yeah.

1280
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: Because it is.

1281
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is, the guy went on Tuesday

1282
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: night and talked about how Miami is the only one

1283
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: that's won any significant non conference games. Conveniently forgetting that

1284
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: Florida State beat Alabama? Are we supposed to not count that.

1285
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that a mediocre ACC school defeated Alabama, but

1286
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: those are the facts. And you can't cherry pick when

1287
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: you decide to hold the ACC scheduling to account and

1288
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: when you don't and then convenient and we leave stuff up.

1289
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: This is why if I were the commission of the ACC,

1290
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed off that my business, biggest business partner,

1291
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: ESPN doesn't give doesn't give a damn about me. Well,

1292
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: that's where I get upset about the ACC. It's I

1293
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 1: understand ESPN's they're in business, but they're also in business

1294
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: with you. And the fact that the ACC has done

1295
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: a terrible job of reminding ESPN to that, and if

1296
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: they don't care, then find a better way out of it.

1297
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's certainly a lot of tension for

1298
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: the networks about all of that, and ultimately what they're

1299
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: looking at is ratings and money. It's a TV show.

1300
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: Tony Korneiser loves to say this, it's a TV show, folks.

1301
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sports and Sports is a great television show.

1302
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: What I would say is college football is the only

1303
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: sport where we end up arguing all the time, all

1304
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: the time, right because nobody sits around in debates, Hey,

1305
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: is the AFC East better than the NFC West this

1306
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,480
Speaker 2: year because.

1307
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: You might committee decided the NFL playoffs. Would Dallas ever

1308
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: not make the playoffs?

1309
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: No? And but also we would You can argue maybe

1310
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,799
Speaker 2: it would be incredible for fighting based on which teams

1311
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 2: are better. But they designed the system that I ultimately

1312
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: think would be the best in college football, which is

1313
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: you take, let's say right now, the SEC has sixteen schools.

1314
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: You take four divisions of four and you say, if

1315
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: you win the division, you're in the playoff, right, and

1316
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 2: the Big ten. Now, designing what those divisions are going

1317
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: to be becomes challenging and all those things. But then

1318
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: you have a known expectation and sometimes you can end up,

1319
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: as happens in the NFL, the team that happens to

1320
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: win a division sometimes they have a losing record and

1321
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: you look at it, you say, boy, you know that's

1322
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: screwed up. And people may be upset about it for

1323
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: a short period of time, but you know already going

1324
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: in what the rules of engagement, so to speak, are

1325
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 2: when it comes to playoff.

1326
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: You know determination, Well, and that's the thing, like what

1327
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: you hate about this committee. And to me, nobody has

1328
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: ever answered this question with real clarity. Mean, which is

1329
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: what matters more who you beat or who you lost to?

1330
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I think the answer is. My

1331
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 2: buddy likes to say, you know, college football is just

1332
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: a cake baking contest. So we all and then we

1333
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: all stand around and look and we're like, well, look

1334
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: at the frosting on this one. We'll look at the depth,

1335
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: look at the moisture of this cut. Right Like, ultimately,

1336
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's kind of an evocative This

1337
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: is my big you know, sort of metaphorical take on

1338
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: American society, and I think it applies to college football too.

1339
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: It's do we judge people by their ceilings or their floors? Right?

1340
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 2: My argument would be the Democrat Party of the last

1341
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: generation or so looks at the floor, like what did

1342
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: America get wrong? What did we screw up? What should

1343
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: we be ashamed of? And sort of forces people to

1344
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: marinate in that failure. I would argue the Republican Party,

1345
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: this is my take, tends to focus more on the ceiling.

1346
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: What did you achieve? You know? Or when you talk

1347
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: about Thomas Jefferson, how long do you take to mention

1348
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: Sally Lemmicks, you know? Or do you focus on hey,

1349
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence kind of a good deal, Monticello impressive,

1350
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, Fridge the Louisiana purchased kind of a kind

1351
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: of a significant accomplishment. And so I think it kind

1352
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: of goes in with college football too, right, are you.

1353
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: Just there are some of us who sort of like

1354
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: all of that, And that's always been my prest at

1355
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: the bottom, Right, My frustration is like I sort of

1356
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: love the fact that everybody's complicated in our history, and

1357
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: that ultimately that complication and history does sort of inform

1358
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: the future, and it always does, both good and bad

1359
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: and indifferent. But in some ways, the complication, the fact

1360
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: that Jefferson is complicated is.

1361
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 3: Actually very American.

1362
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: Yes, And also by the way it sort of jumps

1363
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: into what I think is fascinating is you know, if

1364
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: you look at Prestige era at television, almost everyone that

1365
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 2: is a signal defigantly successful show, whether it's Walter White,

1366
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,520
Speaker 2: whether it's Tony Soprano, is you know, filled with substantial

1367
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: measures of light and darkness, as we all are. And

1368
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: so that's a big metaphor for college football. I mean,

1369
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: I think it does turn into a question. Ultimately, I

1370
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: would say I'm more likely to judge a team by

1371
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 2: the body of work, but I would if I had

1372
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: to choose what's more significant, quality wins or bad losses,

1373
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: I would go with quality wins. But here's the deal,

1374
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 2: there is no criterion. The committee can decide whatever is

1375
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: the best argument to do whatever the committee thinks they

1376
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: should do. And so that's why I think, you know,

1377
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: there's Florida State fans that are probably watching this right

1378
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: now still furious over Jordan Travis in the way.

1379
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: They it's not just any Florida State fan that's going

1380
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 1: to be watching this, it's my wife, who's.

1381
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 2: A Florida State alone. Yeah, okay.

1382
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Her anger at kirk Kirbstreet is on a level that

1383
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: will never like, you know, visceral, There's no political figure

1384
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: that would garner.

1385
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: As much hate for her well, And I think that's

1386
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: why college football is so popular because unlike the NFL,

1387
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,879
Speaker 2: which I love, you don't feel that close personal connection

1388
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: to it. And for college athletics, it is all person

1389
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: It evokes an emotional response that is very different than

1390
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: what happens, I think candidly with anything in professional sports.

1391
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: So you would go, what would you like to see

1392
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: a sixteen team playoff? Because the other thought I had

1393
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: is because I'd love to see.

1394
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 3: Like I think it's fun.

1395
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm glad a group of five team is in there,

1396
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: But I actually would like to see a mini tournament

1397
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: of those four conference champions. They play each other, the

1398
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: winner gets to come into the Maybe it's an eighteen playoff,

1399
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: and maybe the SEC has its own tournament, Big ten

1400
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: has its own tournament, acc and then you sort of

1401
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: you do it that way way.

1402
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 2: I would go sixteen, and I would eliminate the conference

1403
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: championship games, and I would finish it by Jan one.

1404
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 1: I think the SCC wants more revenue for I assume

1405
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten. And this is where

1406
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: I think the media partners come in. Does Fox want

1407
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: a Big Ten tournament? Allow the basketball tournaments right? And

1408
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: does ESPN want that out of SEC?

1409
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: And so there's been a discussion where you say, hey,

1410
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: we're going to guarantee four spots for the SEC and

1411
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: four for the Big Ten, but we will have three,

1412
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: four and five six to play in in other words,

1413
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 2: one and two in the conference automatically in the playoffs,

1414
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: and then to replace the conference championship game, you actually

1415
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 2: add two playoff games, but you played and I guess

1416
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: it would be three six four five probably is the

1417
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: way that it would make sense. And then the two

1418
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 2: teams that win those games advanced. So from a capitalistic perspective,

1419
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: you double your value. And what I would like to

1420
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: see is a done.

1421
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, I get more football and you

1422
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: make money, Okay, then we all win.

1423
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: So I think there's an argument that something like that

1424
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: could happen, but I think it's ultimately going to end

1425
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: up sixteen. And what I would like to see them

1426
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: do is actually start college football a bit earlier and

1427
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, like a week or two earlier than they

1428
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: do now, and be able to finish it all on

1429
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: jan one is the national title game.

1430
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: Get out of the NFL's way, never going to beat

1431
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1432
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: And I don't like when they're playing games on random

1433
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Wednesdays to try to avoid the NFL schedule.

1434
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: And I think if you drag it on for too long,

1435
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: it makes people, you know, just kind of lose interest.

1436
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 2: So I would get it done. Jan one is a

1437
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: traditional heavyweight of day for college football.

1438
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: The other thing I would do in my if, if

1439
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: you would, if you in your magic world, if you

1440
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: let me to orchestrate the beginning of the season, is

1441
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: I would take all of the bowl games that are

1442
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: not part of the national title, not part of the

1443
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 1: whole playoff structure, and I would make those matchups play

1444
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: each other at the start of the season. I would

1445
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: that's cool to look at the I'd look at the

1446
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: calendar right now, and the month of August is up

1447
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: for grabs. Every month has a sport that they own, right,

1448
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: but the month of August sits there, and you know,

1449
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: college football has already done a pretty good job of

1450
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: grabbing the last sort of week or two, and those

1451
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: become like people are dying.

1452
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: They're startday. They do a great job of playing games Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

1453
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: But I would start it even earlier and make that

1454
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 2: the focal point of the early part of the season.

1455
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: If I had my Bowl, if you matched up fun

1456
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: little interconference matchups and all that stuff that you did

1457
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: it at the start of the year based on last

1458
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: year's records or whatever, but hey, that is suddenly those

1459
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,839
Speaker 1: games mean something. You're not going to a great players

1460
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,919
Speaker 1: get out of it. And I think you could, and

1461
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: that these cities, I think people would. It's August, it's

1462
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: the end of summer vacation. Maybe it's the last trip

1463
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: you take with your family, you know, to go see

1464
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, you go to l Paso to the Sun Bowl.

1465
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 2: You appreciate the choir on this. I think that the

1466
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 2: college football brain trust need to get out of competing

1467
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: with the NFL, and preseason NFL is garbage. So the

1468
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: more time you can create a distinct, unique, awesome product

1469
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: without having to compete with the NFL, the better. And

1470
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: I think starting in August a little bit earlier, and

1471
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: finishing on jan one. Is that window?

1472
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: Let me get you out of here. On Nashville is

1473
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: a major league market. Yeah, what's the next major sport

1474
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: that's coming.

1475
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: It's fuzzy. I'm going to a meeting about major League

1476
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: Baseball at Nashville. Legitimately, when I hang up the phone

1477
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: with you, I think we're going to get major League

1478
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: Baseball and the NBA. Well, Memphis has got the NBA,

1479
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: and I think that gets into a politically, it's hard

1480
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: for Nashville to take Memphis crown jewel of professional athletics.

1481
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: So that you wouldn't right. I agree, So you wouldn't

1482
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: see it. And you don't think Tennessee can support to NBA.

1483
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 2: I don't think they can support too. And I don't

1484
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: think I think the political tension there is such the

1485
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: that would not be tenable. But I think we're going

1486
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: to get major League baseball. And I'm not sure what

1487
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: the other city. Maybe salt Lake, because I think they

1488
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: want one west of the Lake and Charlotte.

1489
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: There's salt Lake, there's Charlotte, there's Portland, there's Montreal. I

1490
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: have heard the Charlotte has some real money and that

1491
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: you know. But but I've heard the Salt Lake thing.

1492
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 1: So let me get you with a couple of stats

1493
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: that blow my mind. And you may may not have

1494
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 1: thought about this.

1495
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: There are more NHL, NBA, and NFL teams in the

1496
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: SEC footprint than there are MLB teams. It's crazy. And

1497
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: yet so the Braids are kind of the team of

1498
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: the SEC because this is a sport. There's a baseball

1499
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: crazy footprint they haven't served. So actually Nashville and Charlotte

1500
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: should both get them. I don't know that they'll do it,

1501
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: but but that that stat really kind of jumps out,

1502
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: and so I think they want to give Nashville a team.

1503
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing about this. I am told

1504
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: there's likely to be a lockout, shut down.

1505
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: Everybody has said, please, I got my national season ticket.

1506
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: Guy said, I said, give me the best case of

1507
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: why I should sign up for next year.

1508
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: He says, because we probably won't have baseball in twenty seven. Yeah, no,

1509
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 2: I mean, so that's and I think one of the

1510
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: ways that they will reach an agreement going forward is

1511
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: by saying to the players, hey, we're going to add

1512
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 2: two teams, which is going to add you know, sixty

1513
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: jobs or whatever the math is to the overall Major

1514
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 2: League Baseball environment, and haven't expanded very much Baseball compared

1515
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: to the NFL, compared to the NBA, compared to hockey.

1516
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: So I think Nashville is going to get one. I

1517
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 2: would bet on play starting I don't know, twenty thirty one,

1518
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: twenty thirty two something in that arena.

1519
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: They do have a financial problem though, right, because unlike

1520
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 1: the other major sports, baseball teams don't share their revenue.

1521
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: That's right, right, And the Dodgers Japanese media rights more

1522
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: than anything. The Minnesota Twins can sell, that's right, and

1523
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: you cannot have And you know, if the NFL worked

1524
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: the way baseball worked, there'd be no Jaguars, that's right, right,

1525
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: There'd be no Packers.

1526
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, the way to put it is, sports is

1527
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: a unique business where the business itself is the competition. Right.

1528
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 2: Walmart wanted to put Kmart out of business, right like

1529
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: home Depot wants to knock the Lows out of business Coke, PEPSI, whatever,

1530
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 2: dueling businesses. The quality of the sport is entirely determined

1531
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: by the quality of the competition. And if, for instance,

1532
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: the Dodgers because they have showby and all of the

1533
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: money rolling in from Japan are able to spend far

1534
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,919
Speaker 2: more money than anybody else, and they win eight titles

1535
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: in a row. It's not beneficial in any way for them.

1536
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: No, it's like, why, you know, there's a reason college

1537
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: football wasn't popular in the forties and fifties because it

1538
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame, and Army and Navy had all the

1539
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: talent and there wasn't a way.

1540
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 2: To share it around. Look, this has been my concern.

1541
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: We love college football, but that somebody the Elon Musk

1542
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 2: of college football, he doesn't care, but if he did,

1543
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: just suddenly comes in and says, I'm going to give

1544
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: a billion dollars to school in il funds. I think

1545
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: that's why they're trying to set up some form of

1546
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,440
Speaker 2: salary cap inside of college athletics.

1547
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: I was at the University of Illinois doing a talk.

1548
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: I was happened to be hanging out with the coach

1549
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: of the basketball team, Brad Endward there when when they

1550
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 1: found out Larry Ellison, a University of Illinois alum, wrote

1551
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: a check to Michigan to sign to sign.

1552
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: The court under Brice Underwood.

1553
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 1: Brice Underwood and they were just like apoplectic, Yeah, like

1554
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: what what?

1555
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: What? He needs to give us money? Do you? Why

1556
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: are you doing that?

1557
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 1: And it was all because you know, he had the

1558
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: girlfriend who was going to be upset if Michigan football

1559
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: wasn't story of life right right? The things men will

1560
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: do for what we'll do for love. Let me get

1561
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: you out of here on this. Who's four people you'd

1562
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,520
Speaker 1: like to see to run for president in twenty.

1563
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a fantastic question. Well, let's eliminate people that

1564
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 2: we know are going to run. You know Jamie Vance,

1565
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: you know Marco Rubio. I think there's a good chance

1566
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,839
Speaker 2: that they run as a tandem ticket. Gavin Newsom's clearly

1567
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: going to run.

1568
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody the last name of Trump runs

1569
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the sitting president.

1570
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Junior or Eric or I don't think

1571
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: that I know those guys. I don't think that they

1572
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 2: want it. That could change, but I think they like

1573
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 2: the life that they have now, and I think they've

1574
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: seen what the life is required to have. And I'm

1575
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: not sure that you know it's very there's a lot

1576
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 2: of fancy, awesome parts of being involved in politics. You've

1577
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: been there. There's also a lot of standing and posing

1578
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 2: for photos on a rope line for an hour and

1579
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 2: a half and making small talk with every person, like

1580
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that actual. It reminds me, honestly of

1581
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: kind of what people think the practice of law is,

1582
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 2: and then what the practice of law actually is. They

1583
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: think you're to be Tom Cruise all the time and

1584
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: a few good men, or they think it's going to

1585
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: be a time to kill and your Matthew McConaughey talking

1586
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: to a journey and the reality is you're sitting in

1587
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: front of a computer screen on dock review or filing

1588
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: a motion. Now, hey, I'll do all that for you, right,

1589
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: and maybe civil procedure related. So I would like to

1590
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: see successful people in the world of business. I would

1591
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: have liked to have seen he's getting older now. I

1592
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen Nick Saban in politics

1593
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: because I think he would be really good at it.

1594
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 2: I think he's gotten a little bit too old. I

1595
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: think Brian Kemp, Governor of Georgia, really really sharp guy.

1596
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: I think he could be a great unifying candidate. I

1597
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: love Ron DeSantis and what he did. I understand that

1598
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: there's issues there. I love both those guys on the

1599
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: Republican side. On the Democrat side, I'm somewhat impressed by

1600
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 2: what I've seen from Ram Emmanuel because he seems to

1601
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: be rational and be willing to talk like a dude,

1602
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: which I think Democrats are struggling with in general. Just

1603
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: have a beer and watch a game. Who would I

1604
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 2: like to do that with. I've been a bit impressed

1605
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: with Maramamanuel and his ability to cut through there. And

1606
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 2: then I would like people who are not professional politicians

1607
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: to potentially get involved, who have had success in other industry,

1608
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: not unlike Trump did. And you know, there are the

1609
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: mayor Bloomberg's of the world. I would like to see

1610
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: them just kind of look at things analytically and analyze

1611
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 2: facts and just say, hey, let's run the company a

1612
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 2: little bit more like a business. So there are some

1613
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: of those figures that I think could be could be

1614
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: very helpful.

1615
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Do you think I have a feeling the pitchforks are

1616
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: coming though for corporate America left and right.

1617
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 2: It is a profound anger. Yeah.

1618
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if because I you know, instinctively,

1619
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: I'm always looking at for business leaders, and I'm starting

1620
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: to think that even if they're good.

1621
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: That doesn't Matt like.

1622
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: I think Jamie Diamond in another era could be an

1623
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: interesting Yeah, candidate for office, but I think I think

1624
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: the pitchforks would come for a banker, right, you know,

1625
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: you had Steve Jobs had a personality maybe, yeah, you know,

1626
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: But again.

1627
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 2: So I wonder though, if the world.

1628
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Of business just in the next ten years, if that's

1629
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: just going to be a like like that, that it's

1630
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: an anti halo effect on somebody.

1631
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think you're going to see. Let me

1632
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: give you a couple of media Megan Kelly, I think

1633
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: is uniquely talented. I don't know if she would ever right,

1634
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: I could see. You're right, a media personality is gonna

1635
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: is going to try and do it. My big take

1636
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: on twenty eight is I think men have been won

1637
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: by the Republican Party, but I think women have been

1638
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 2: won by the Democrat Party. I mean, talking broadly, I understand.

1639
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh it's pretty it was pretty sharp. I don't know

1640
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: if it'll stay that. What'll be interesting is do both

1641
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: parties attempt to fix their problem?

1642
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,879
Speaker 2: That's right, So if they do, then there's an opening

1643
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: actually for someone who is woman that is able to

1644
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: talk to women. And say, hey, the Republican Party flip side.

1645
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: Is there a man that is just like a dude,

1646
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: just a normal guy. Maybe it's Wes Moore, you know,

1647
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: who rises up on the Democrat side and can have

1648
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 2: normal conversations with men. I think Gavin Newsom is trying

1649
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: to do it, and so to me, that may well

1650
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 2: be the way the election is decided is who's able

1651
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 2: to talk not to their base, certainly, but to the

1652
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: opposite genre. You ever wanted to run for office? My

1653
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: wife is has forbidden it. Look. I love what I

1654
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 2: do right now. I don't ever want to leave Nashville.

1655
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: I've got seventeen, fifteen, eleven year old boys. When all

1656
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 2: my boys are out of the house in seven or

1657
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,919
Speaker 2: eight years, I'll look around, I'll have, you know, hopefully

1658
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: had four years of seasoning and everything else, and see

1659
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: how things look then. But I don't think for the

1660
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 2: next eight years or so. And here's honestly, the thing

1661
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: that I've thought about. I think a lot about how

1662
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: do I be? How am I the most efficient and

1663
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: effective verse of myself? And I'm not trying to be

1664
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: egotistical here, but with our show with Clay and Buck

1665
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: without Kick and everything, else, people know us a lot

1666
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: more than they do a lot of governors, and a

1667
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: lot more than they do certainly a lot of congress people.

1668
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: So I feel like I can have an impact in

1669
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: a positive way in media, in a way. I remember

1670
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Scarborough saying that politicians can't.

1671
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: You know, early on Scarborough the show was going pretty

1672
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: well and somebody was trying to get him to go

1673
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: run for Senate again in Florida. Yeah, this was more

1674
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: this is pre Trump era, so it was sort of

1675
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: he was still sort of a more comfortable Republican, and

1676
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: he came to the conclusion that he had more influence

1677
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: doing what he was doing than to be a senator.

1678
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking that sucks. I'm sorry, like that's

1679
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: not the way it should be.

1680
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,480
Speaker 2: But he's right. I mean, the senators and the governors

1681
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: asked to come on the show all the time, so

1682
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: they off to our audience and reach it.

1683
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: They want to be seen as normal people, so they

1684
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: desperately don't want to be on a political show.

1685
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: They want to be in a non political show, that's right,

1686
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 2: and so they want to do you know, events with us,

1687
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 2: and so look, I mean, I think Paul Finbaum is

1688
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: going to run you didn't ask me about this, like

1689
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: he sat down and talked with me. I don't know

1690
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 2: how well you buy it. You think he's going to run.

1691
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's going to be able to

1692
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: sell MAGA that he's mega.

1693
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I think I think

1694
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 2: he would run. If he runs, I think he'll win.

1695
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 2: So uh. I think college football matters more in Alabama

1696
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 2: than anything. Uh. You've got Tommy Tuppervill who's going to

1697
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: be the governor. You got aj Mccaerron who might be

1698
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: the lieutenant governor.

1699
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 3: You're right, I mean we may see an entire r.

1700
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: Entire fatespired to Wesley Britt, who's a former offensive tackle

1701
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 2: for Alabama and an NFL guy. I think people look

1702
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: at it more their parties are Alabama Auburn. They're not

1703
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 2: necessarily Democrat Republican. Uh. And the one thing I'll say

1704
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 2: about college football but makes fun of me about this,

1705
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: but I actually think America would be better if we

1706
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: thought of each other more like college football fans, because

1707
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: I innately trust other college football fans more than I

1708
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 2: do people who aren't college football fans, even if they

1709
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 2: are rooting for different teams, because I know we speak

1710
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 2: a common language and it's a tribe.

1711
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: You know, it goes back to you know, the best

1712
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: part of being an American is if you're a member

1713
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: of multiple tribes. That's right, and you're right, like, you know,

1714
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: there's my University of Miami tribe, and there may be

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01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: people in there I politically can't stomach. But when we're

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01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: watching a game together, we're high five.

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01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: That's right. And there's a college football tribe, and there's

1718
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 2: a media tribe.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's you know. The only thing bad is

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01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 3: if you're a.

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Speaker 1: Member of only one tribe, and one tribe only well,

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01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: and also if you decide.

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Speaker 2: What I always say is I have tons of friends

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01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 2: who think that my political opinions are crazy, and I'm

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01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 2: open to being convinced that I'm wrong. I wish that

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01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 2: more people were open to being convinced that they were wrong,

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01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 2: because part of being a lawyer is at some point

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01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: you look at the argument, they're like, hey, they got

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01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: a better argument. Like you have to be rational on

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01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 2: some point, because that's the job, is to look at

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01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 2: arguments and deciding makes the better one. I wish more

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01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 2: people did that, and that's why maybe college football is

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01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: the perfect approximation of that because everybody is super passionate.

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01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: But in the end we all argue and then we

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01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 2: come to the conclusion. People may not be satisfied, but

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01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 2: they end up still being engaged as much, if not

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01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 2: more every year.

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Speaker 1: Well like, look like, eventually there's a vote, Eventually there's

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01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: a game that's played.

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01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: That's right, That's exactly right. Hey, I appreciate you doing this, man,

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01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 2: Hey man, I appreciate you having me on. We got

1742
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 2: to get you on some of our shows as well.

1743
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 2: And good luck to the Hurricanes the rest of the way,

1744
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 2: you name it.

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01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: If they look I just wish they wouldn't hold Miami's

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01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,440
Speaker 1: coaching staff against the team. The team itself is probably

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01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: the most talented or as talented as any team in

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01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: the country.

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01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: Just don't have it. We can't get the most out

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01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 2: of them. But I hope camer Woord develops. He was

1751
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 2: a lot of fun to watch last year with Miami.

1752
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: So far hasn't gone very well.

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01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Man, he's already you know what happens these anytime. Look

1754
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: what happened to Trevor Lawrence when he had to go

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: through multiple coaches early. This is such a bad sign.

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01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm so worried about this for him. That sucks to

1757
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: I have to go through a Uh think about it,

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01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: he's had four O season four years. I do think

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01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: he is high level thinker because he's gone through so

1760
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 1: many OC's in college, right, three different systems. I think

1761
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: you're going to be okay. But man, that sucks that

1762
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: he got drafted into a terrible situation with the guy

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01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: that probably doesn't belong in the NFL. In the meantime,

1764
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: something I never would have believed as a Nashville kid

1765
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: growing up. We're going to host a super Bowl in

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01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: this new stadium, and I think we're going to have

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01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: a Major League Baseball team too.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a bad spot to live. You'll have

1769
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: to come down and visit. No, Oh, it's Nashville.

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Speaker 1: What is it that you guys are the new Vegas,

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Speaker 1: the new Austin, the new You're always the Nashville feels

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Speaker 3: It's the new that.

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Speaker 2: When I started out Kick as a media company here

1776
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Speaker 2: based in Nashville, everybody told me you can't succeed, you

1777
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Speaker 2: got to move to New York or LA. Now everybody's

1778
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 2: moving their media companies to Nashville. Now you and Taylor Swift,

1779
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Speaker 2: you guys know something. Thanks appreciating, Thanks you.

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Speaker 2: I think it all depends on what I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what kind of reception I get from Clay's audience.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. I would like to think my audience here,

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01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,799
Speaker 1: you guys expect me to be a little more diverse

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01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: in my selection of guests and selection of topics. So

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Speaker 1: I hope this turns into a more interesting array of conversation.

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01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but I would love your feedback, good, bad

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01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: or otherwise I might as well. It is pretty much

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01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: one of the great I mean, we have taken the

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01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: greatest holiday we could have come up with as Americans, Thanksgiving,

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01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: which I do think of it as the most it is.

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01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: It is it is our attempt to be a more

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01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: perfect union. I believe with Thanksgiving more so than any

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01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: other American holiday, that Thanksgiving is the holiday where we

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01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: all try to be the best version of ourselves right

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01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: and in some form or another. Right we're a bit

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01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: more generous so we find out somebody's not, you know,

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01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: with family and Thanksgiving, we'll come out over to my house. Right,

1831
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: we're the most open door. And I think just it

1832
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: generally turns out to be true. I know that's the

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01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: way I feel. It's my favorite holiday because hey, we

1834
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: don't have to bring a gift. Yes, you should show

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01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: up to my house with a pie. I will demand that.

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01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I prefer a pie over wine or booze,

1837
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: because you know, I've become a little less boozy as

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01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I've gotten older.

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01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 3: I'm a little more into the pies.

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01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Frankly, I'd rather get If you're going to make me

1841
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: eat sugar, I'd rather have a nice piece of pie

1842
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 1: than have that sugar hidden an alcohol.

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01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: But I tease, but I do. I do love me

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01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: some Thanksgiving. In fact, before I get to my college

1846
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: football breakout, I might as well give you my top

1847
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: five list of the five things you've got that I

1848
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:05,480
Speaker 1: think you have to have a Thanksgiving dinner to be satisfied.

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01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Number one is a turkey that isn't a roast turkey,

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01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: whether it's smoke turkey, whether it's fried turkey. At the

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01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: Chuck Todd Thanksgiving, you get all three. By the way,

1852
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: we do roasted, we do fried, and we do smoke

1853
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: because I want I want a variety. Or, as my

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01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: son says, we're doing everything we can to make turkey

1855
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: taste like chicken. He's not wrong about that. But you've

1856
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: got to provide more than just the traditional turkey. If

1857
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: you're not providing another type of turkey, particularly fried or

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01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 1: smoked in particular, and frankly, bonus points. If you're a

1859
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving that wants to add in a brisket or maybe

1860
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: even a ham. If that's your that's your choice. You

1861
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: know we don't we stuck with turkey for a while.

1862
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: You don't have to do turkey. I've taken turkey off

1863
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: the my winter holiday menu, if you will. So that's

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01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 1: number one. Number two macaroni and cheese cast role. I'm sorry,

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01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 1: it is. It is an important staple. If you don't

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01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 1: have it, you're you know now. To me, it is,

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01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: it is I must have. It is not a nice

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01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: to have. And I think there was a time when,

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01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: as a kid, macaroni and cheese was thought of as kids.

1870
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's the kid's plate. And now there's so many

1871
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: better ways. I do one that uses all sorts of

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01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: gourmet cheeses and I really actually bake it. This is

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01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: not out of a box. Don't do out of a

1874
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 1: box mac and cheese. I want I want a real

1875
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: I want a real attempt you where you mixed your

1876
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: cheeses and your pasta and you put some effort into it.

1877
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: Don't don't give me any powdered cheese on that. So

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01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: you got to have diversity of types of turkey. You

1879
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: gotta have your mac and cheese. Number three is a

1880
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: sweet potato castrole of some sort, and it's got to

1881
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: have marshmallows. If you don't have marshmallows, what the what's

1882
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,480
Speaker 1: the point of sweet potatoes?

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01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 2: Right? And go all in?

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01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: It should feel like desserts, Okay, it should be deserty.

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01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: The most deserty, the more deserty, the better, I might argue.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I realized I might like sweet potato pie

1888
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: more than pumpkin pie. Although I will tell you the

1889
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 1: best time to have pumpkin pie, and it's not after

1890
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner. I'll tell you in a minute. Again, these

1891
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: are just my rules. But certainly, if you invite me

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01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: to your Thanksgiving, I'm gonna judge you on whether you

1893
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: have these items. So there you go, right, your sweet

1894
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: potato castle. Very deserty, all right. I don't just want

1895
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: sweet potatoes, I want it. I want a lot of marshmallows.

1896
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 1: I want some brown sugar. I want some pecans, right,

1897
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: and I don't care if they're pecans or pecans right,

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01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: meaning I don't care how you pronounce it. Number four,

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01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: and this is an important one because I have dropped

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01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the ball on this over the last few Thanksgivings. A

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01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: green bean mushroom cast role and you know what I

1902
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: want the can? This is one I said no to

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01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 1: powdered cheese. I do want Campbell's Crema mushroom soup concentrate.

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01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 2: You want that out.

1905
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: Of the can mushroom soup, because let's be honest, you

1906
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 1: don't have time to make a fun scratch cream of

1907
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: mushroom soup. But that cream of mushroom you know, now,

1908
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: you know you've got a diversity of adults there. You

1909
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: might want to get the lower salt version of the

1910
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,839
Speaker 1: cream of mushroom soup, all right, because it does get

1911
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: sometimes canned soup can be a little too salty. So

1912
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. Get those crispy onion rings

1913
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: of some sort, those crispy fried Indians. My god, it's

1914
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: just no reason to make it from scratch. You can

1915
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: buy those, but you don't have those crispy onion things

1916
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: on there, then you're not doing the green bean cast role, right.

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01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 1: And then the fifth thing, and this is the most

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01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: This is very important. It's not the most important. The

1919
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: most important is having an alternative to your roast turkey.

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01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: To your roasted turkey. I'm not saying you can not

1921
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: have one, but you better have an alternative.

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01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 2: Fried.

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01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: I always fry turkey, smoked brisket, you name it, gotta

1924
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 1: have an alternative. But the fifth thing leftover pumpkin pie

1925
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: with coffee the next morning. I think pumpkin pie is

1926
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: the single best breakfast leftover pie to have. I think

1927
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: you do that a little bit of the extra whipped

1928
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 1: cream that you hopefully made the night before, you made

1929
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving dessert night. But you know you're almost too

1930
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: stuffed to eat dessert. You know you'll have you might

1931
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: have a half a piece of pie after that, you know,

1932
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,799
Speaker 1: after the everybody leaves, and you might have a little something.

1933
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 1: But you're pretty stuff. But don't trust me. Piece of

1934
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: pumpkin pie that's been chilled in the refrigerator that Friday morning,

1935
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: throw a little whipped cream on it, get your coffee out.

1936
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: Forget any pumpkin spice, Lotte. That's the best way to

1937
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: enjoy your pumpkin and your coffee. And you have it separately,

1938
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: like a real American, right, you don't have it in

1939
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: some sort of fancy conglomerate pie there Anyway, I'm being

1940
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: a little snarky about real American but why not? Why

1941
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: can't I have a little fun?

1942
01:42:58,960 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 2: So there it is.

1943
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: There's your top five The five must have to truly

1944
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: have what I would say is the correct Thanksgiving and

1945
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: certainly my checklist of a successful Thanksgiving meal. All right,

1946
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: So with my with my authoritarian views on Thanksgiving out

1947
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 1: of the way and having a little fun with that

1948
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: top five, let's let me give you a quick preview

1949
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 1: of the college football weekend.

1950
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you this.

1951
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 1: First of all, I am going to the pit game.

1952
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 1: Looks like I'm going to the pit game. My University

1953
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: of Miami daughter has been on me on this, so

1954
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: we're certainly we are making plans to make that happen.

1955
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: It is a three and a half hour drive. We've

1956
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: already mapped out the drive. This is the same day

1957
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: trip noon kickoff, get up early Saturday morning.

1958
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's doable. It all, it all depends on

1959
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 3: some sort of you know, we got.

1960
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Other visitors to juggle and all of that thing. So

1961
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 1: I may be witnessed there too. As my daughter said,

1962
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: could be the last game of the year for Miami.

1963
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Obviously we hope it is not. And no, some bullshit

1964
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: Pop Tarts Bowl is not that interesting to me.

1965
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 3: I have no interest in it.

1966
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: I have no interest in in any bowl game that

1967
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: has not counts Okay, I am out on those at

1968
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 1: least this year for the nursery of Miami.

1969
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what I am.

1970
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and predict this, and

1971
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,879
Speaker 1: I sort of I think I hinted at you before,

1972
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: but I given how little chaos we got last weekend, Right,

1973
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: there were no major upsets. The top fourteen ranked teams

1974
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: all won. Right, there was literally nothing changes. Well you

1975
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: know it's the top fourteen teams won. But the let

1976
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 1: me just paint you a scenario that is not an

1977
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: unrealistic scenario that after Saturday night is over, we could

1978
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: have the following teams be ten and two. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

1979
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 1: we could have twelve ten and two teams. And this

1980
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: is none of this is unrealistic. Ole miss they lose

1981
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: to Mississippi State. If Utah wins, they're ten and two.

1982
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: If Georgia Tech beats Georgia.

1983
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 2: They're both ten and two. Miami.

1984
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: If they beat pitt their tenant two. If Michigan beat

1985
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 1: Ohio State, they're tenant two. If Texas Tech loses this week,

1986
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 1: they're ten and two. If BYU loses, their ten and two.

1987
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: If Oregon loses to Washington, not an insignificant idea. They

1988
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: could be tenant two. If Vandy beats Tennessee, they would

1989
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 1: be ten and two. If Uva wins, they would be

1990
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: ten and two. If Alabama beats Auburn, they will be

1991
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: ten and two, and if Notre Dame wins, they'll be

1992
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: ten and two. That is your true chaos scenario for

1993
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: the in that way. And I'm not saying you're gonna

1994
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: have all of those ten and two teams, but I'll

1995
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,719
Speaker 1: just say this, I smell a lot of questionable games.

1996
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: So let me let me start with ole Miss Mississippi State.

1997
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: We're going to get that on Friday. Here's a real question.

1998
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: When Florida State lost its starting quarterback, the ESPN Invitational

1999
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 1: Committee decided they didn't want to invite Florida State. They

2000
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:17,560
Speaker 1: for some reason decided winning the conference without Jordan Travis

2001
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 1: shutting out Louisville wasn't enough. It is really an inexplicable

2002
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: decision and only explained by ESPN's desire to just put

2003
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: on a more entertain what they thought would be a

2004
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 1: more entertaining football team, rather than the most worthy who

2005
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: earned it on the field. This is the beginning of

2006
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: their decision on the field. And by the way, I

2007
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 1: see you, Kirk kurb Street, I see you claiming he says,

2008
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: the longer a season goes on, the less head to

2009
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 1: head matters. He is already setting up this narrative that

2010
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame should get in over Miami, regardless of the

2011
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: fact that Notre Dame doesn't have a single victory over

2012
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a top twenty five team unless Pitt gets ranked into

2013
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: the top twenty five this week, because guess what USC

2014
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: is going to be out maybe to put into the

2015
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: top twenty five, but they don't have any top twenty

2016
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 1: five wins, and that is still to me a should

2017
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: be a problem, and for any other team not named

2018
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: Motor Name, it would be a problem. But I see

2019
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing there, mister Herbstreet, by setting up this

2020
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: narrative that somehow head to head should be less and

2021
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: no other sport is head to head. Ever, less head

2022
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: to head is usually the number one tiebreaker you have.

2023
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm going to get off of that.

2024
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, here's a question for you. If

2025
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: Ole miss loses to Mississippi State and Lane Kiffin announces

2026
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: on Saturday that he's going to be the next coach

2027
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: of LSU. Does Old Miss get treated by this committee

2028
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 1: the way Florida State was treated when they lost their quarterback. Hey,

2029
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,640
Speaker 1: you don't have like, at the end of the day,

2030
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: if this is if this is a TV show, as

2031
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: my friend mister Cornheiser likes to say, this is a

2032
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: TV show, this is not. You know, you're not worried

2033
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: about the ethics of whether the most deserving teams are

2034
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 1: getting in there. It's all about putting together your TV show.

2035
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 3: Well, isn't Lane Kiffin the star of Ole Miss?

2036
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 2: Can you?

2037
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:06,760
Speaker 1: I challenge you non Ole Miss fans to name me

2038
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: three players on Old Mess. Trust me, I'm a college

2039
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 1: football obsessive fan, and I know there's the kid that

2040
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 1: was quarterback at a D two school. I can't remember

2041
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: his name, Jackson Dart was the quarterback last year, but

2042
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember the guy this year. The point is

2043
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's the star. If Lane Kiffin's not going to

2044
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 1: be coaching, is that enough to actually plus a lost

2045
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State?

2046
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 2: Does Ole Miss.

2047
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: Get dropped out completely? I don't think that's an a

2048
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: crazy idea. Let me get you to the Georgia Tech

2049
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: Georgia game. On one hand, this game is meaningless. It

2050
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't matter for Georgia. George is in the playoff

2051
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: no matter what. But if Georgia Tech wins a game

2052
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: they almost won last year and went to what seven

2053
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 1: thousand overtimes? If Georgia Tech wins this game in their

2054
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 1: ten and two, it's suddenly of the ten and two teams,

2055
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,600
Speaker 1: the only the only other team with a with a

2056
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: win over George is Alabama. Trust me, as a Miami fan,

2057
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: this has to be really nervous. A went over Georgia

2058
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: by Georgia Tech might be better than Miami's went over

2059
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Just something to think about on the Georgia

2060
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Tech front. Then, of course there's the Miami situation. How

2061
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 1: about Michigan beating Ohio State ten and two? Michigan that

2062
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: beats Ohio State, They're a lot for the playoff?

2063
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 2: Right? Well?

2064
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Whose spot did they take? Yet another spot that I'm

2065
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: worried about. Put it this way, I'm worried about U

2066
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:42,679
Speaker 1: of M taking um spot on that one b YU

2067
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 1: in Texas Tech. Are they the big twelve? Not going

2068
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: to get two teams? And what happens If b YU

2069
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 1: beats Texas Tech in the in the Big twelve title game,

2070
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: that's that's obviously a next week problem. We still have

2071
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: it this week problem and nothing again, nothing should surprise

2072
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 1: you this week. And that's why Washington defeating Oregon does

2073
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: this drop how much you know Oregon doesn't have? If

2074
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 1: they lose to Washington, there's gonna be real questions. Has

2075
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: Oregon beaten anybody? They lost Indiana? If USC is not

2076
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 1: considered a top twenty five team, and they may not

2077
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 1: be after this week, their victory over Penn State isn't aging. Wow,

2078
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: is Oregon going to be suddenly especially if Michigan wins

2079
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and there's a decision made by this committee they don't.

2080
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: You know?

2081
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 1: And then South you've got Notre Dame, You've got Miami.

2082
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, is Oregon on the outside looking in? And

2083
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: does that become problematic to them? Just something to think

2084
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: about there. Vanderbilt, if they beat Tennessee, they don't have

2085
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 1: great wins, but their losses are not bad either. Right,

2086
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: they have the Alabama loss, I think they have a

2087
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: Texas loss that was pretty close. I think they need

2088
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 1: an old miss loss. Uh that had to be considered.

2089
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: And if you told me Old Miss without Lane Kevin

2090
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: versus Diego Pavia with Vandy. I think again, if you're

2091
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 1: just making a TV show, you're gonna put Diego Pavia.

2092
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Vandy's the dieg of Pavia h Vandy team in over

2093
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: the lane, kiffenless Old Miss rebels. Just something to think about.

2094
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: And then finally I want to close with this. I

2095
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: know that we're just assuming Notre Dame beats Stanford, but

2096
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 1: Notre Dame plays Stanford all the every year Stanford cares

2097
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: about this game. Andrew luck is the general manager there.

2098
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: He sort of also appears to be the guy that

2099
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 1: helps motivate these players at times. He got them all

2100
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:43,759
Speaker 1: fired up for that col game.

2101
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 3: Let's just say that.

2102
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 1: I look, do I think if they play ten times,

2103
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: seven of those times Notre Dame wins by five touchdowns

2104
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: or more. Yes, But we all know this weird last

2105
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: game of the season business. Stanford's not going anywhere. This

2106
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 1: is the lat for some players on Stanford will be

2107
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 1: the last time they ever played football, and you just

2108
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 1: never know. And again, there's this sort of Stanford pride.

2109
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: There's sort of a bit of an academic rivalry with

2110
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

2111
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:18,839
Speaker 3: At times.

2112
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not as convinced. I certainly am

2113
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: not going to be touching this game financially in either direction,

2114
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 1: because the uncertainty would concern me in the same way

2115
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: that Alabama should be at Auburn and the Iron Bowl.

2116
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: But my god, my son's first memory in college football

2117
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: is the infamous kick six. You know, he distinctly remembers

2118
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: just the pandemonium that my wife and I had, and

2119
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 1: we didn't even care about the outcome. We sort of

2120
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 1: root for Auburn because we've got family members that went

2121
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to Auburn and root for Auburn, and we're if you're

2122
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: going to make us pick between Auburn and Alabama, we're

2123
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: going to root for Auburn each time. And it was

2124
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 1: just such an amazing thing, something you've never seen before,

2125
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: probably will never see in another thirty years, in the

2126
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 1: same way that anything can happen in that game. Just

2127
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: trust me, don't be shocked if anything can happen in

2128
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame Stanford game. You may be saying, maybe

2129
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 1: Chuck just wants this to happen because a Notre Dame

2130
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 1: loss would be so helpful to Miami. You know, I'm

2131
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: not saying I wouldn't.

2132
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:27,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

2133
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: I certainly would be smiling if it happened. I'm just

2134
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: being realistic here. If I didn't care so much, I

2135
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: will tell you this, all these ten and two teams

2136
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 1: hurt Miami's chances. Trust me, I don't want more ten

2137
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 1: and two teams. I want fewer ten and two teams.

2138
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 3: But the amount of.

2139
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Speaker 1: Potential chaos we have, and we get twelve ten and

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01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: two teams that don't include the teams that we know

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01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: are already going to be in the playoff Indiana, Ohio, State, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: And I guess at text A and M so you

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01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 1: already sort of so you're gonna have essentially six spots

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01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 1: because you have these other conference heats. You're going to

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01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: six spot twelve ten and two teams vying.

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01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 2: For six slots.

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01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,719
Speaker 1: Put it this way, the big ten idea of twenty

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01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: four teams in the playoff will suddenly be a lot

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01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 1: more interesting, uh and a lot more accommodating.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: I am sort of prepared for chaos this weekend. And hell,

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01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 1: I actually somehow think Miami's going to end up in

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01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 1: the a SEC title game. And it was it will

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01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: absolve the ESPN executives from that from the horrible decision

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01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: that they clearly want to make, and it will be

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01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: decided on the field between a Miami and SUMU. But

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01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 1: I can tell you what I feel like it's coming

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01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: in my Todd household is that I have my two kids'

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01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 1: schools playing against each other in the ACC title game.

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Speaker 1: Is that is, if Miami beats Pitt, SMU beats Cal,

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01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: and Duke and Virginia both lose, then I think it's

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01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: Miami and SMU loses to Cal and UVA and Duke

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01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 1: lose too. That's where I'm not sure how this plays out.

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01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: It may end up being Miami and Georgia Tech. Not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure on that one, but I'm not

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01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:18,879
Speaker 1: betting on that three way outcome. I have this sneaking

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01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: suspicion that if Miami ends up in this ACC title game,

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Speaker 1: it's going to end up being.

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Speaker 2: A rematch with that s all right? So with that,

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Speaker 2: let me sneak in a few questions ask Chuck.

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Speaker 3: First question comes from Dan.

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Speaker 1: Dear Chuck, if AI becomes capable of taking over nearly

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01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: every job, wouldn't that include the roles held by CEO

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Speaker 1: billionaires as well. What would an economic reckoning in that

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01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 1: scenario look like? Does AI present a threat to capitalism

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01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 1: if it eliminates upward mobility? And if upward mobility disappears,

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01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: could we see a resurgence of communism or some other

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01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: economic model. Dan, you know, it's funny. I've seen more

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01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 1: and more stories about how actually the job, that the

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01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 1: job of CEO would actually be best suited to be taken

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01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 1: over by AI, because you would you would you would

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01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: want pros and cons and every decision and that if

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01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: you just a if a CEO. And apparently more CEOs

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01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: are using AI to help them in the decision making

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01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 1: process on tough decisions. So the more you use it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean at that point, you know, look at how

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01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 1: many we're hearing this that football coaches are using AI,

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01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: Baseball teams are using AI to make decisions on certain scenarios.

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01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to know how many high school

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01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 1: football coaches might be using artificial intelligence to decide whether

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01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 1: to go for it on fourth and three depending on

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Speaker 1: where they are in a certain situation. So I continue,

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01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: I know where you're going here, and I think that

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01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 1: that I hear you, But here's just can I here's

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01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 1: a question that I think we all forget when it

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01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 1: comes to AI. Where's these large language models going to

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 1: get their new information? Do we think that there's no

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01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 1: new Is there a point where they don't? A large

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01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 1: language model needs no new information to come up with

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01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: new information?

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Speaker 2: You sure I'm going here?

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01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: I know it sounds like it sounds overly meta and

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01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 1: what I'm describing, but you know it's like, you know,

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01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 1: could AI take over journalism? Okay, but don't you need

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01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: the live person to observe something new happening and report

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01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: on it. Like in order for a large language model

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01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:46,080
Speaker 1: to get more information, somebody has got to be providing

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01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 1: this information. And I know that there's this idea that

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Speaker 1: what we're going to have a large language models are

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01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 1: going to create new information based on old information and

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01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:58,680
Speaker 1: then consume that new information and then make that their

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01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: new information. I know it sounds it's probably making it's

2213
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: making my head hurt trying to describe what I just did.

2214
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: It's probably just made your head hurt hearing it. So

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01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: while I understand the point you're making, this is where

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01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: I really think that.

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Speaker 2: That there are limits here to AI. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the look what Elon Musk may

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01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 1: be doing all of us a favor. The fact that

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01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: he programmed his AI to claim that Elon Musk is

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01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 1: like the superhuman, you know, the best athlete, the best intelligence,

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01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 1: the best dresser, the best sex fiend, whatever it is. Right,

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01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 1: Groc says, Elon Musk is the perfect human specimen.

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01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: I look at a sort of a weird looking dude,

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01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 1: so I don't think we've perfected anything. He's got a

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01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 1: weird personality, so he's I don't think he's the ideal

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01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:56,040
Speaker 1: of any version of the human being a human species,

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01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 1: because I don't think there is such thing as an ideal. Right,

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01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: one person's ideal is another person's problem. But the point

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01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 1: is the fact that he programmed his AI to come

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01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: up with those answers, in some ways is reassuring because

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01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 1: it should send the message that hey, AI doesn't have

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01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: all the answers and that you're still going to want

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01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: the human element. And this is where I go back

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01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 1: to something man, the human species has survived quite a

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 1: long time in this planet. And if you don't think

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01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 1: the human species isn't going to fight for its own

2239
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 1: existence over some frickin' robots, then you really underestimate the

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Speaker 1: human species.

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01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 2: Darwin didn't and I wouldn't either. Dan.

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01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: Our next question comes from Chad hey Check. I am

2243
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 1: an Army civil affairs officer, and during a recent union discussion,

2244
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 1: I argue that World War One, not World War Two,

2245
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: has been more impactful in today's global conflicts from the

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01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 1: Middle East to Ukraine. Americans often view wars through a

2247
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 1: narrow US centric lens, but World War One's legacy is everywhere.

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01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: I recommend the First World War by John Keegan and

2249
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 1: Martin Gilbert and the podcast World War One Not So

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Speaker 1: Quiet on the Western Front. One last question, has Trump

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02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,320
Speaker 1: given license for racist and misogynists to become more overt in?

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02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: How do we move forward when so many feel emboldened

2253
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: by his example? Well, I certainly think that we're in

2254
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: a moment where they think they're to answer your last question,

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02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,480
Speaker 1: where there's you're not going to quote unquote get canceled

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02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 1: for expressing some of these forms. But you know, all

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02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: I would say is to these folks that express this

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02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: racism and narcissism, good luck breeding, good luck mating. You

2259
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 1: know you're not going to find many mates out there

2260
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 1: that want to breed with racist and misogynists.

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02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 3: So there's a part of.

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02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: Me that just believes that, particularly the women of society

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02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 1: in general, are just not going to want to date

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02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 1: these misogynists, if you will. So maybe I'm being a

2265
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: little Pollyannish on this, but I kind of think that

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02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate people self iding as racist and misogynists because

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02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 1: I know who I want nothing to do with, and

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02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 1: I think they do this for a lot of folk.

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02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 1: So I do think that while they think that they've

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02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: gotten stationed because you know, Trump has insisted that certain

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02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: certain of these people, you know, you give them a

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02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:14,120
Speaker 1: second chance or a third chance or a fourth chance,

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02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 1: or you know, you pardon them or whatever. I guess

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02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't fully I don't fully believe that that. Like,

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02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 1: I kind of think we're gonna actually turn hard against

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02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 1: these folks in the post Trump era.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I have a couple more though, I have a

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02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 1: couple more recommendations on the World War One front that

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02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to share. I promised you a few others.

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02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a more formal uh version in my

2282
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 1: substack next week. I took this week off of substack.

2283
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 2: But uh.

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02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: The uh, there's a set of podcasts that a friend

2285
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:56,640
Speaker 1: alerted me to and I've started them and it's really good.

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02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:00,040
Speaker 1: It's called Empire, uh. And they did one on the

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02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 1: East India Company and it's a pretty long set of episodes.

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02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:09,520
Speaker 1: And then they also that was its first season they

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02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:11,680
Speaker 1: did on the British Empire in India, and the second

2290
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 1: season is on the Ottoman Empire. So people were asking

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02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 1: me about a good podcast on the Ottoman Empire, the

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02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: Empire podcast series, and again if you look up Empire,

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02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:26,560
Speaker 1: East India Company and the second seasons on the Ottoman Empire,

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02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 1: you can take a look at that. I'll have these

2295
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 1: links in my sub stack next week. And then, of course,

2296
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Dan Carlin's hardcore history. He's done this, He's done a

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02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 1: variety of episodes on various various parts of the Ottoman Empire.

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02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: I would recommend. I feel like the Dan Carlin stuff

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02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 1: has always been pretty thorough and presents opposing points of

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02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:55,360
Speaker 1: view and when there's some disagreement on historical analysis. So

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02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 1: I've I've been fairly pleased with his work over the

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02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 1: years as well. Again, I'm going to have a more

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02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 1: concrete set of recommendations. I'm going to take a look

2304
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:06,560
Speaker 1: at these as well from Chad and curate a whole

2305
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Three or four books that are worth

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02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 1: reading and three or four podcasts that are worth listening to.

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02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,280
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chris k from Greenville, South Carolina.

2308
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,840
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, the Ann Apple Bomb interview was grounding.

2309
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 1: It was a good reminder of things that may not

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02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: have the nation's attention. My question, I'm sitting here watching

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02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Pitt throttle Georgia Tech. Is it possible that teams would

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02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 1: play down against Notre Dame. If so, what does that

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02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 1: mean for the program? Will they be forced into a conference?

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02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 2: I love this.

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02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 1: I love that I've got an audience that's willing to

2316
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 1: absorb an Apple bomb and then ask me about.

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02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:43,760
Speaker 2: Pitt George Tech. This is why I love this new

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02:03:44,360 --> 02:03:46,440
Speaker 2: world of media.

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02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:51,480
Speaker 1: Look, I think it does especially Here's what I will say.

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02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: As popular as Notre Dame might be with ESPN executives

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02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 1: for TV ratings purposes, I will tell you that the

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02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: other people on that committee, coming from the powerful conferences,

2323
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 1: know what a pain in the ass. Conference games are

2324
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 1: conference road games against whether if you're in the SEC,

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02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: it's never easy playing don't I know, Missippi State's doesn't

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02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,040
Speaker 1: look like they're a tough team to play. It's never

2327
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:16,360
Speaker 1: easy to play with that goddamn cow bell ringing in

2328
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 1: your ear right and in the ACC. Trust me, it

2329
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:23,840
Speaker 1: sucks to play in the cold weather in Boston when

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02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 1: you're playing Boston College and I hate playing on that

2331
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 1: horrible surface, that horrible turf up in BC. Or ask

2332
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 1: SMU what it's like to play in Winston Salem to

2333
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:36,560
Speaker 1: play Wake Forest. So again, these may be places that

2334
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:39,280
Speaker 1: you think are cake walks, but when you're playing these

2335
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 1: folks every year and you these conference road games, they're

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02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass. And the fact is it

2337
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:49,000
Speaker 1: is true that Pitt didn't play their best players that

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02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:52,240
Speaker 1: were questionable on health in that Notre dameing game. Saved

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02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:55,840
Speaker 1: them for Georgia Tech because they have a path to

2340
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff just through the ACC. They were

2341
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 1: never going to get an at large bit, so they

2342
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:04,120
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing and their coach was probably right,

2343
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:07,080
Speaker 1: you're going to get more of this. For instance, does

2344
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: Georgia need the Georgia Tech win? You know, yeah, you

2345
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:12,839
Speaker 1: could say it's you know, wouldn't be great for Georgia's

2346
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 1: recruiting George is not going to be recruiting problems. If

2347
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 1: you're Georgia, how seriously do you take this game? And frankly,

2348
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 1: if you know you're in the College Football Playoff, if

2349
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 1: you're in the SEC, if you're Texas A and M,

2350
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 1: how seriously do you take the Texas game? So you're

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Speaker 1: going to have some of that, But until Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: doesn't make the playoff because of the fact that they

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Speaker 1: have teams that essentially took the Notre Dame week off. Right,

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02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 1: Navy did it and they rested players and instead saved

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02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 1: them for the week later. And Pitt, Now you might

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Speaker 1: think nobody who ever did that before against Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: That's true, but conferences have never mattered more in the

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Speaker 1: path to the playoff, so I and now that conferences.

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Speaker 1: So Miami just had to cancel a series with South

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Speaker 1: Carolina because both the SEC and the ACC went to

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Speaker 1: a mandatory nine conference games and ten Power four games.

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Speaker 1: What that really means is, so South Carolina already has

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Speaker 1: an out of conference home and home with Clemson that

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Speaker 1: they play every year, and they were going to do

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Speaker 1: a second game for a home and home over the

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Speaker 1: next two years with Miami. Well, with these with both

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Speaker 1: the SEC going to a ninth conference game and the

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Speaker 1: ACC agreed to a ninth conference game, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to have as many of these cross conference games. So

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Speaker 1: it's actually gonna be harder for Notre Dame. I think

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Speaker 1: to schedule in general. You know Miami wants to is

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Speaker 1: going to try to schedule Notre Dame as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that Notre Dame in order to

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Speaker 1: schedule teams, especially with the mandatory ninth conference game, that

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Speaker 1: all these conferences are going to frankly because ESPN and

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02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 1: Fox want want more of that content for them, That

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Speaker 1: could be the trigger to force Notre Dame into a conference.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Lisa VI. He says, Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: please pursue the Qatar Air Force base that is going

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Speaker 1: to be built out in Home, Idaho.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: I live in Idaho and I have seen news coverage

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Speaker 1: on this and have seen nothing on the national news.

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Speaker 1: I've watched you for years and believe you're the one

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Speaker 1: to blow this up.

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Speaker 2: Lisa B.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. I will look into it.

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Speaker 1: I will admit that seemed I cannot imagine we are

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Speaker 1: letting a foreign country build a base on our soil.

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Speaker 1: That would be a bit unusual and would be pretty

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Speaker 1: bad politics. And I would say this if we did

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Speaker 1: do it, the last place I would expect Katar to

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Speaker 1: do this would be an Idaho, where they would I

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02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:34,080
Speaker 1: think be even less welcome. I say that meaning I

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Speaker 1: don't think we would want any foreign power there, but

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think Idaho would be a place

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Speaker 1: for that. If you did it, if you told me

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico or why you know, one of our something

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02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 1: in the Pacific of the Atlantic, I guess you could

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Speaker 1: come up with a scenario. And certainly we've done stuff

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02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 1: with the UK and with sort of near you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of close in allies, but this would be something else.

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02:07:58,160 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: So I have got to take a look at what

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Speaker 1: that's about, and I will get back to you. Appreciate

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02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:08,360
Speaker 1: the question, and then finally do There's one more question

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Speaker 1: from Judd in Montreal.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I just.

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Speaker 1: My daughter and wife just took a trip to Montreal,

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Speaker 1: their first time there. Hello, check Love, you're on biased

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02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:21,440
Speaker 1: historical perspective to the current political chaos. Well appreciate you

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Speaker 1: noticing and thank you. Would you please find a guest

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Speaker 1: to explore the paradox between the recent Supreme Court ruling

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Speaker 1: that the president is immune for prosecution on official acts

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02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: with the take care clause of the US Constitution, our

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02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:34,160
Speaker 1: Article two, section three, clause four that the president quote

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Speaker 1: shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed versus

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Speaker 1: all the administration's federal court losses. Thanks, that's a very

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Speaker 1: good topic. I just that is that is a fair point.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what some of my legal experts

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Speaker 1: would have to say on that. I have an interview

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Speaker 1: I did with one of my favorite legal experts, Sarah Eskert,

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Speaker 1: who works for The Dispatch. We didn't get into that

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02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:07,520
Speaker 1: specific issue because I've already taped it. But if we hadn't,

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02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,920
Speaker 1: I would have gotten into that. But I will, I

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02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 1: promise I will. I will get a better answer to

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Speaker 1: this question because I don't have Look, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think Trump really knows the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be honest. I don't think he really knows it.

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Speaker 2: He certainly doesn't, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, give me a member of Congress that carries

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Speaker 1: around a pocket Constitution any day of the week. I

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02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,800
Speaker 1: love those guys, whether they're the left or the right.

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02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,640
Speaker 1: Because they look at it, they care, and it means

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Speaker 1: that they want everything to be seen as constitutional. Let's

2435
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 1: just say, I don't think Donald Trump's ever been caught

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Speaker 1: with a pocket Constitution in his coat pocket, so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he views that at all.

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Speaker 1: But let's remember there are I do think there's it

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02:09:55,520 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 1: is it is still quite difficult. I go back to

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Speaker 1: something that the founders understood about prosecuting a president and

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Speaker 1: how you hold a president accountable.

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Speaker 3: That the only.

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Speaker 1: Place to do it was with a jury of his peers,

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Speaker 1: and that is the United States Senate. And if you're

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02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 1: frustrated by this decision, I would argue that your frustration

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02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 1: should be focused on one Mitch McConnell, because he made

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Speaker 1: the decision that somehow you couldn't convict somebody after they

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02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:30,920
Speaker 1: were out of office. That was his rationale for not

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Speaker 1: voting to convict.

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Speaker 2: He didn't.

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Speaker 1: He implied that the case had been proven that Trump

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02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:39,800
Speaker 1: had violated the Constitution, and certainly, certainly, and if he

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02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,920
Speaker 1: were in office, would be he would have voted to convict.

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Speaker 1: But that's why we ended up with this ruling, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we ended up in this scenario is because

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Speaker 1: the US Senate, which was what the founder's thought was

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Speaker 1: the best possible place you could have this, because no

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Speaker 1: matter where you're going to do it, it was going to

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02:10:55,440 --> 02:11:00,800
Speaker 1: be very difficult, as we've now learned. Ultimately, I give

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Speaker 1: the founder's credit. I think they're right. I think it

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Speaker 1: was the best venue, and it was the one venue

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Speaker 1: that all this belonged. And this is where I might

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Speaker 1: argue that the Biden Justice Apartment, uh, you know, probably

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Speaker 1: should have pursued cases against a whole bunch of other people,

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02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:21,280
Speaker 1: but maybe had accepted the premise that when the impeachment

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Speaker 1: conviction didn't stick didn't happen, that there was no you know,

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Speaker 1: if you couldn't get it done in the Senate, where

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Speaker 1: where how you were expecting to get it done under

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02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 1: the normal rule of law. So it's easy to say now,

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Speaker 1: given the circumstances that we are in, but I think.

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Speaker 3: That that that should have been that should have been.

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Speaker 1: More of a of a of a warning to the

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Speaker 1: Biden Justice Department about how hard pursuing these cases were

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Speaker 1: going to be. All Right with that, I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy your Thanksgiving weekend. I hope you enjoy all the football.

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Speaker 1: If you don't care about football. I'm not going to

2477
02:12:02,240 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: apologize because you can fast throw it through all my

2478
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 1: football talk. I have been heartened by the folks that

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02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 1: say I never cared about college football, but you've made

2480
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 1: me care. That makes me happy, because I do find

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Speaker 1: I just think college football.

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Speaker 3: Look, I like the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I love the NFL, but college football is different, right.

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02:12:21,960 --> 02:12:26,400
Speaker 1: It just it's weirdly more personal. And because it's more personal,

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02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:31,280
Speaker 1: it's more emotional, and you know, there's something about I

2486
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,720
Speaker 1: know that they're more professional now than they've ever been,

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02:12:33,800 --> 02:12:36,480
Speaker 1: but there's still kids, and you know, no matter how

2488
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 1: much money at twenty year old's making, there's still got

2489
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:43,000
Speaker 1: the you know, they still may overse you know, you

2490
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. There's still an unpredictability

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Speaker 1: sometimes just based on how old these kids are. And

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Speaker 1: yes I'm because I'm a middle aged fifty something, I'm

2493
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 1: going to call them kids. That add the volatility to it,

2494
02:12:56,640 --> 02:12:59,520
Speaker 1: which is why the best team doesn't always win on

2495
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:04,240
Speaker 1: any given Saturday, or any given Friday, or any given Thursday,

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02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:07,760
Speaker 1: as we're going to have this week. So anyway, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason why I love college football so much, and

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02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:14,720
Speaker 1: it's because While it is weirdly predictable from sixty thousand

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02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:19,880
Speaker 1: feet from week to week, it is incredibly unpredictable and

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Speaker 1: a blast to follow. So that enjoy the most quintessential

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Speaker 1: American holiday that there is, and the one that.

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Speaker 2: I think we have made.

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Speaker 1: A holiday that best represents what America wants to be.

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Speaker 2: I'll see it in forty eight hours.