Speaker 1: It's taken so many years of like reflection and growth
Speaker 1: and like doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me
Speaker 1: into the person that I am. And I look back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm so grateful for all of it.
Speaker 1: But like by leaning in and like not putting them
Speaker 1: into like a storage unit in my mind, but like
Speaker 1: actually processing them and like growing and evolving from it
Speaker 1: has allowed me to have confidence in myself because I'm
Speaker 1: just like I know that I'm enough. Hey, everyone, welcome
Speaker 1: back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in
Speaker 1: the world. Thanks to each and every one of you
Speaker 1: that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.
Speaker 1: Now you know that I love sitting down with friends,
Speaker 1: people that have connected with people that I share space
Speaker 1: and energy with on this podcast. But sometimes something funny happens.
Speaker 1: I have a guest on who I feel I know
Speaker 1: I've connected them with them several times digitally, virtually, but
Speaker 1: never physically, and then finally when I get to experience
Speaker 1: their energy in person, I just go, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: my kind of person. And today's guest is someone that
Speaker 1: feels just like that. Her name, of course, is Vanessa Hudgins,
Speaker 1: an American actress, singer, entrepreneur and producer. After making her
Speaker 1: feature film debut in thirteen, she rose to fame portraying
Speaker 1: Gabrillo Montez in the High School Musical film series, which
Speaker 1: brought her significant mainstream success. Since the release of her
Speaker 1: studio albums and the High School Musical franchise, Vanessa has
Speaker 1: focused on her acting career. She's appeared in films like Bandslam, Beastly,
Speaker 1: Sucker Punch, Journey to the Mysterious Island, Spring Breakers, The
Speaker 1: Princess Switch, Second Act, and Bad Boys for Life. She
Speaker 1: also launched her beverage business, Callie Water, a line of
Speaker 1: Cactus water, and her own skincare brand, No Beauty, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Show, My Dear Friend, and becoming a Deeper Friend.
Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens and our beautiful Darla, thank you for me.
Speaker 1: And you're so good at this. Wow. Oh I just
Speaker 1: I meant all of it. You've had this, you know.
Speaker 1: I Actually I grew up watching high school musical because
Speaker 1: of my sister. I'm a sister that's four and a
Speaker 1: half years younger than me. Yeah, she loves you, loves
Speaker 1: high school musical, So I watched it through her lands
Speaker 1: yea and a connecting thing for the two of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And then obviously we connected through Joe and
Speaker 1: our Zen zone. Yeah, which is so funny, which is
Speaker 1: just amazing what Joe started and built. It's so incredible.
Speaker 1: It's like, if it wasn't for that, I never would
Speaker 1: have met Cole. I know, yes, and that, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, hallelujah. So you are officially giving me and
Speaker 1: Joe the credit. No, yes, completely. Actually, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a thing if it wasn't for you, guys, for Joe,
Speaker 1: for Joe. Joe, you can take all the credit you
Speaker 1: deserve it. Darla, I just do want to acknowledge you
Speaker 1: are the first ever dog to appear on a purpose.
Speaker 1: She jumped up here and seated herself like a human.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm so grateful she's here. She's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful energy too, and I'm so happy she's lady. I
Speaker 1: was told that she was a French girl in the
Speaker 1: past life. Oh that's very cool. Well, this is the thing, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: that you know, I think when people view you from afar,
Speaker 1: of course, you have this amazing career. You do an
Speaker 1: incredible job, whether you're hosting, whether you're acting. With you
Speaker 1: I thought you were awesome and bad boys for life.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love the movie, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: just how your roles and those characters evolved into the
Speaker 1: franchise was amazing. You're doing so many incredible things with
Speaker 1: Callie Water, and I know we've got so many other
Speaker 1: things to talk about, but I think for me, what
Speaker 1: got me deeply intrigued in you and wanting this conversation
Speaker 1: with you is the conversations we had through zen Zone.
Speaker 1: And so for those of you who don't know what
Speaker 1: zen Zone is, this is something that Joe Jonas had
Speaker 1: the idea for at the beginning of the pandemic. And
Speaker 1: you can tell me how you heard about it, because
Speaker 1: I don't know how. So Joe reached out to me
Speaker 1: and he said to me that we did this meditation
Speaker 1: as part of a charity event for the WE Foundation,
Speaker 1: and I was asked to teach meditation. Me and Joe
Speaker 1: had never met before we were on this live I
Speaker 1: lead this meditation and Joe said he had a great time.
Speaker 1: We got introduced over text. He texted me and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're doing We're getting to my friends this Saturday. It's
Speaker 1: the pandemic. I'd love for you to teach a meditation.
Speaker 1: I was like, sure, I thought we'd do it once.
Speaker 1: We've now done it every week for seventy five weeks.
Speaker 1: We've had a bit of a hiatus for the last
Speaker 1: couple of months, and he would just invite his friends
Speaker 1: and I hadn't even met him, let alone everyone. That's
Speaker 1: where I met you, And for anyone who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: I lead a meditation, but then I opened it out
Speaker 1: to a beautiful group of people to reflect share their insights.
Speaker 1: And we did this every week during the pandemic. And
Speaker 1: when you'd come on and you'd talk and share your election,
Speaker 1: I was just like, I had no idea that Vanessa
Speaker 1: had this like intentional mindful practice in her life. And
Speaker 1: I was so that was so endearing and intriguing. But
Speaker 1: tell us about how you Me and Alexander Ship were
Speaker 1: both working on Tick Tick Boom. Yes, um, and we
Speaker 1: like had the rehearsal space and then we had to
Speaker 1: shut down production because of COVID and locking down and everything,
Speaker 1: and um, when we finally got back to it, it
Speaker 1: was in September, like pre vaccine, so we were in
Speaker 1: like a bubble. But we She was like, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this meditation I think that you would really enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so down love a meditation um and
Speaker 1: I got on there and I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is so beautiful. And your meditation that
Speaker 1: you lad was so so like grounding and centering and
Speaker 1: just like fulfilling for my soul, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is amazing. And then I remember
Speaker 1: I got added to the group chat, and then we
Speaker 1: got sent the zoom. For the next zoom, Everyone's sending
Speaker 1: confirmations of himself, like Joe's sending one, Wilmer sends one,
Speaker 1: I send one. And then I thought someone was making
Speaker 1: a joke by sending a baseball player sliding onto a
Speaker 1: base and lifting his head and going like so I
Speaker 1: was like hot and responded in all cabs hot. And
Speaker 1: then I got on the zoom and Alex was sitting
Speaker 1: next to me, and I remember seeing Cole and just
Speaker 1: being like, who's that and She's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then like he smiled, and then I was like
Speaker 1: who's that. She's like, I don't know. I found like
Speaker 1: his name and then like found him on Instagram and
Speaker 1: sent follow and then I was like, oh, he's the
Speaker 1: baseball player hilarious, larious. Well, I already shot my shot,
Speaker 1: so he knows. And then later I come to find
Speaker 1: out that like he was watching me hit al and
Speaker 1: he was like, there's either like something on my face
Speaker 1: or like this girl hates me, or like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he could like see me. Because it's like that meditation.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like sitting and like so still, and I'm here
Speaker 1: like slapping Alex, like losing my mind. But it's been
Speaker 1: so beautiful, Like I love the practice so much, and
Speaker 1: it's so it's so nice having you there leading the
Speaker 1: charge and just like feeling so safe in this space
Speaker 1: to like reflect and to hear how different things affects
Speaker 1: each other and like listening to each other, and the
Speaker 1: reflection is so conducive to growth. So it's just like
Speaker 1: been so beautiful. I'm so grateful of it. You're genuinely
Speaker 1: so kind. I really appreciate those beautiful words. But I
Speaker 1: find it fascinating that this beautiful relationship for you as involved.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, but I'm surprised we haven't yet
Speaker 1: had one. So Joe also comes up with funny zen
Speaker 1: names for every episode, So I think we've had Zandia
Speaker 1: had I mean, there's so many I have to look through.
Speaker 1: But we haven't had a Vanessa Hudson. We haven't done that.
Speaker 1: We haven't done that yet. I have to throw that
Speaker 1: out to him as an option for the next one.
Speaker 1: He hasn't done that yet. No, But but when did you?
Speaker 1: When I when I heard your reflections, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Vanessa has been in this space for a long time,
Speaker 1: like spirituality, whatever you call it, I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: it through your language. I was like, Oh, she she's
Speaker 1: involved being. This is something she has invested in for
Speaker 1: many years before this. This is not her first meditation.
Speaker 1: This is part of her life. When did any of
Speaker 1: these ideas get introduced to you? And how did they
Speaker 1: exist in your world? I'm genuinely fascinating. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like I've always been a meditative person. I
Speaker 1: remember I used to live in San Diego and I
Speaker 1: my parents would drive me up to Alway all the
Speaker 1: time for auditions. Um, and it's a long drive, and
Speaker 1: I was like three enough hours. And I'm young, I'm
Speaker 1: probably like eight years old, nine years old, And I
Speaker 1: remember one time just sitting with the window down, like
Speaker 1: feeling the breeze on my face, just like clear mind
Speaker 1: staring out and my dad being like, what are you
Speaker 1: thinking about? I was like, literally nothing. And then I
Speaker 1: think that as I got older, that moment, for some
Speaker 1: reason would come back to me and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like am I stupid? Like does that mean that I
Speaker 1: have nothing going on in my mind? And then as
Speaker 1: I continued to evolve, the more that I realized that
Speaker 1: was a state of zen, a state of peace, and
Speaker 1: like meditation practice is something that has naturally just like
Speaker 1: come for me. I feel like I started actually getting
Speaker 1: introduced to it when I was probably sixteen. I was
Speaker 1: in Brazil. This was like after high school musical had
Speaker 1: come out and me and zac Efron were dating and
Speaker 1: we went to this island like in Brazil somewhere and
Speaker 1: it was a magazine and they were like, we can
Speaker 1: offer you yoga classes if you want, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've never done, though, like I'd love to try. I'm
Speaker 1: always down to try new things. And I remember it
Speaker 1: was like outside under this canopy of trees and it
Speaker 1: was like the first time that I feel like I
Speaker 1: had a mindful practice where I was like aware of
Speaker 1: what I was actually doing and I just became hooked.
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, straight off the bat, I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I need to become a yoga instructor.
Speaker 1: I think that's just something that literally I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sold. And then I think that like that really
Speaker 1: led to like mindfulness and like practice, and and then
Speaker 1: when did meditation actually come into play? Honestly, probably Deepak Chropra.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like I came across
Speaker 1: like an audio something of his on meditations, and I
Speaker 1: remember doing that and just being like, oh wow, there's
Speaker 1: like so much here, and like noticing how it affected
Speaker 1: my everyday life and just my state of mind. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like the sit down to actually
Speaker 1: meditate doesn't fully happen that often, which is why I
Speaker 1: love our zend Zone, because I get gives me a
Speaker 1: reason to actually do it. But the state of mindfulness,
Speaker 1: I think, is something that is carried into so many
Speaker 1: different aspects of spirituality, and spirituality itself has been like
Speaker 1: such an evolving journey for me. I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: I was how old as I was filming Journey to
Speaker 1: the Mysterious Island, and I was on the Big Island
Speaker 1: where they shot Jurassic Park, and so it's just like
Speaker 1: beautiful rolling mountains. It's like dunning. And I remember thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, oh, like I am spiritual because I
Speaker 1: don't can't like relate anymore to religion practices that were
Speaker 1: instilled with me as a child. But like, I feel
Speaker 1: so much and I know that I'm a part of
Speaker 1: something bigger, and I feel like vibration of the land,
Speaker 1: and I just feel connected to spirit and then that
Speaker 1: itself has evolved so much, and like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm back at that place where I'm like, I am very,
Speaker 1: very spiritual. I take time to connect to my spirit
Speaker 1: but also spirit around me, and I make sure I
Speaker 1: take time to connect to nature. And I give praise
Speaker 1: when magic happens, because it happens all the time, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so important to acknowledge it and
Speaker 1: to give it gratitude because then it starts coming into
Speaker 1: your life so much more. It's just it's like it's
Speaker 1: really insane when you start acknowledging them. How like it's
Speaker 1: it's an abundance of magic. Wow, I'm I'm like that
Speaker 1: is so infectious. It's just it's so true though, and
Speaker 1: like it's so beautiful because then you're filling your life
Speaker 1: with like this, these moments of wonder. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: I think that's so important as an adult because it's children.
Speaker 1: We have that all the time. Yeah, but like as
Speaker 1: you grow up, you kind of forget how important it
Speaker 1: is to have that. Yeah, I'm like such a big kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah that like she's always like a child at heart.
Speaker 1: But like wonderment, I think is something that's so important
Speaker 1: for the soul. I couldn't agree more. I love that,
Speaker 1: And I think it's when I think about wonder and childlikeness,
Speaker 1: it's the same as what I feel my wife's brought
Speaker 1: back into my life. And I felt for so long
Speaker 1: I started to take life too seriously or I was
Speaker 1: very I was very focused, and yeah, man, the woman
Speaker 1: to bring him back. And my wife has just bought
Speaker 1: this like childlike energy back in my life, and it's
Speaker 1: something you have to protect totally. I feel like the
Speaker 1: childlike energy is something you have to nurture and protect
Speaker 1: in yourself, in the people you love, totally, your inner
Speaker 1: child like I remember that being like a big, big
Speaker 1: wake up moment for me. I think it was in
Speaker 1: like Larry Moss's acting classes. I was doing like one
Speaker 1: of his intensive workshops, and he talks about how important
Speaker 1: it is to like nurture your inner child, because there
Speaker 1: we all have that. We all have that like little
Speaker 1: boy or a girl inside of us that's like kind
Speaker 1: of scared at times, but it's like so explorative and
Speaker 1: like has wonderment. But you have to nurture that, and
Speaker 1: if you don't, like it gets neglected, and you can't
Speaker 1: neglect your inner child. Definitely. Do you think that's what's
Speaker 1: I mean for yourself? Like you've been in the industry
Speaker 1: a long time now, since you're extremely young, and I
Speaker 1: feel like you've been great like navigating it with grace
Speaker 1: and pivoting and figuring things out. And obviously from the
Speaker 1: time we've been getting to know each other through his
Speaker 1: zen zone and even today, I can tell that there's
Speaker 1: so much thoughtfulness and so much clarity for you. Do
Speaker 1: you think that nurturing that inner child is what has
Speaker 1: helped you navigate a very tough industry or what has
Speaker 1: that been? What? I feel like that's definitely part of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, because it allows me to stay extraordinarily passionate
Speaker 1: about my loves, which is like everything you know, like
Speaker 1: in my work and in my life and in the
Speaker 1: way I spend my time. But I think the thing
Speaker 1: that honestly has kept me going is accepting change and
Speaker 1: evolving and knowing that ever lucition is like a positive thing,
Speaker 1: and leaning into the like scary scary things that like
Speaker 1: could hurt me, and and like just constantly re evaluating
Speaker 1: what it is to be a human in this experience
Speaker 1: and like who do I want to be? Because it's
Speaker 1: like that's genuinely like a choice you like have. We
Speaker 1: have so many choices every single day on like how
Speaker 1: we build our character, how we present ourselves to the world,
Speaker 1: And like, I feel like I've had multiple moments where
Speaker 1: I've had to like really look at myself and reassess
Speaker 1: and say what kind of woman do I want to be?
Speaker 1: And like who am I? Truly? Like what is my core?
Speaker 1: What is what are my values? And I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just allowed me to feel really confident and strong
Speaker 1: in who I am as a person, because I think
Speaker 1: that that's that's where a lot of people have difficulties
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, because you end up like morphing into different
Speaker 1: people because it's a it's a tough grind, but because
Speaker 1: people morph into the roles they play. They morph into
Speaker 1: the role they have to play portray totally. They morph
Speaker 1: into the role that their manager or their agent thinks
Speaker 1: they need to be, or the person who came before
Speaker 1: them that they're trying to be. Like totally, there's all
Speaker 1: these identities. Totally, Yeah, you're trying to morph into that.
Speaker 1: It's hard to remember your own I guess what was
Speaker 1: a formative experience at a younger age that you think
Speaker 1: has given you a sense of groundedness as you've gone on.
Speaker 1: Were there any formative experiences as you at any point
Speaker 1: in your childhood or no, I mean many teenagers. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know if this is like
Speaker 1: actually first is the best best. I was the kid
Speaker 1: that loved playing in the dirt, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: was always the kid that was like in the garden,
Speaker 1: like grabbing like pieces of plants and like smushing them
Speaker 1: together and like having the flowers and like doing like
Speaker 1: little collages and the dirt. Like I've always like been.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've always felt very connected to earth,
Speaker 1: And I look back at it now and I'm just
Speaker 1: like it's so funny because and now I'm I like
Speaker 1: love practicing like witchcraft and having rituals and like playing
Speaker 1: and being a part of Earth and connecting with it
Speaker 1: is such a big part of it. And I'm just like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: she was always there. Yeah, she was always there. She
Speaker 1: was always playing in the dart. But yeah, like I
Speaker 1: feel like I also was raised in a way where
Speaker 1: like my parents didn't have a lot. My dad was
Speaker 1: a firefighter. My mom was from the Philippines, like came
Speaker 1: out to the stage when she was twenty four with
Speaker 1: my dad and it was like the first man she'd
Speaker 1: ever even been with, like first guy actually ever kissed,
Speaker 1: like crazy. Um. But I was raised very modestly, So
Speaker 1: I think that like that definitely shaped me into who
Speaker 1: I am because I'm very mindful about like where I
Speaker 1: spend my money and and like what I'm doing with
Speaker 1: it and like, but like it also I think makes
Speaker 1: me work harder and want to do the work myself,
Speaker 1: do the dirty work. He was bringing it back. I
Speaker 1: love it. But yeah, like because that's just like my character,
Speaker 1: that's how I was raised. Yeah, that's that's beautiful to hear.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm going to ask you now to define
Speaker 1: what witchcraft is for the end, you know, for those
Speaker 1: who may not be aware and those rituals because I think,
Speaker 1: as you say those words, i'd love you to extrapolate
Speaker 1: them because I've seen so I've seen you post when
Speaker 1: you get new tattoos, and it's cool, but I would
Speaker 1: love I'd love for you to explain that totally. I
Speaker 1: think like being a witch genuinely is like so many
Speaker 1: different things for each person. To me, it's it's a
Speaker 1: mindfulness for sure. Um, it's connecting to your elements. Um.
Speaker 1: It's about understanding the fact that everything is energetic and
Speaker 1: we can push and pull things, um, if we set
Speaker 1: our mind to it and ask for it. Um. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of manifesting on which m and rituals are.
Speaker 1: Like I love like a full moon ritual where I'll
Speaker 1: like sage my space and like cleanse my energy and
Speaker 1: my aura and then like ask my angels and my
Speaker 1: ancestors and my spirit guides to be there with me
Speaker 1: and to help carry out my message. And then like
Speaker 1: honestly writing things down on some baileys and burning them.
Speaker 1: It's really exciting because it burns, and like it's really
Speaker 1: it's like it really catches flame. Yeah, it feels magical, um,
Speaker 1: But like it's like connecting to earth and like to
Speaker 1: spirit and like tapping in Yeah, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you really can. Yeah. I mean I love hearing that
Speaker 1: because I think when people hear the word witchcraft or
Speaker 1: which is we have a very dated view, yes, stigmatized ye,
Speaker 1: where you hear a witch and like people are like
Speaker 1: burner at the state exactly. And I mean I grew
Speaker 1: up in London where one of the attractions to visit
Speaker 1: as a tourist was the London Dungeons. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: you'd go to see these London dungeons and they would
Speaker 1: show you how women and many women who are wrongly
Speaker 1: accused of being witches and of course witches in the
Speaker 1: stigmatized or the negative senses we've seen portrait in movies
Speaker 1: and things like that. Yeah, and you'd see how they
Speaker 1: would be burned and the kind of dungeons that they
Speaker 1: had to stay in and the states that is in.
Speaker 1: And now obviously when you say the word, you're looking
Speaker 1: at it from like the good witch, like you know,
Speaker 1: like Thetate shit, yeah exactly, joy and kindness and like
Speaker 1: that's the modern witch. Yes, yes, And redefining that word
Speaker 1: is so important because language, I think today is so
Speaker 1: much of the reason we have disagreement, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why we don't understand each other. And when you
Speaker 1: start to explaining what the witches, I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like what's the witch in um Blender? Yes, exactly, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what that's it. And I was like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: was a witch and she's called a witch in the movie.
Speaker 1: But when you think about it, the witch, you remember her, right,
Speaker 1: And so it's so fascinating when you think about it
Speaker 1: from that way. What if I love those rituals you
Speaker 1: just walked us through. When you're doing those rituals or
Speaker 1: when you've built those practices up, what has given you
Speaker 1: strength to believe that they have an impact? Is it
Speaker 1: something you feel, is it something you've heard? Is it
Speaker 1: is it a connection? Like how do you go? Yes,
Speaker 1: this works for me, This matters in my life. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's such an intuitive thing. Yes, And like
Speaker 1: I said, I was the little girl playing in the
Speaker 1: dirty mushing curves and it does. It feels it feels
Speaker 1: really grounding and connecting to me, and like I've manifested
Speaker 1: for years and like, if you're very clear and intentional
Speaker 1: on what you want, you have a much better chance
Speaker 1: at getting it can tell can you tell us one
Speaker 1: that it feels worth sharing that? Yeah? I mean, like
Speaker 1: even like Cole, like I I was very clear, very
Speaker 1: intentional about what it is exactly. It's like I was like,
Speaker 1: I want someone who, oh man, I wish I have
Speaker 1: I literally have like a list. Um. It was I
Speaker 1: want someone who loves themselves wholeheartedly. Um, someone who understands
Speaker 1: the importance of like having a good time. Someone who
Speaker 1: has like the right priorities in life, you know, like
Speaker 1: has the same fundamentals as me, um, which is like
Speaker 1: you live, you don't what is it You don't live
Speaker 1: to work? No, you don't live to work, work to live?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like someone who understands like the
Speaker 1: importance of life outside of work. There's a whole list,
Speaker 1: but literally when I met Cole, I was like, you
Speaker 1: literally check all my boxes. What I love about your
Speaker 1: list though, And that's why I asked you because I
Speaker 1: expected that your list that is the most mature, refined
Speaker 1: list I have ever heard of, because because most lists
Speaker 1: do not go that deep like that. That is a
Speaker 1: very genuinely and I'm not saying this to flatter you
Speaker 1: at all. I'm genuinely saying it because I hear a
Speaker 1: lot of lists in my coaching work and when I'm
Speaker 1: with clients and over the years, people that I've worked
Speaker 1: with and lists, those are all like incredible attributes which
Speaker 1: show your self awareness of who you are and what
Speaker 1: you need in your life. But they're also not so
Speaker 1: specifically defined that it's kind of very difficult that that exists.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. It's not like I want this
Speaker 1: and I want that and he should have this, and
Speaker 1: it's not stuff about he should have no, No, it's
Speaker 1: about his mindset and his belief system. Walk us through
Speaker 1: how do you assess and assesses the wrong word, because
Speaker 1: in a relationship, you're not assessing someone. How do you
Speaker 1: engage with someone in a way to know that those
Speaker 1: things exist within them? And I'm asking you this for
Speaker 1: yourself because I find that sometimes people may make a
Speaker 1: list or they have a list, And first of all,
Speaker 1: I would like to remind anyone if you are going
Speaker 1: to make a list, think about Vanessa's list and just
Speaker 1: think about how I'm trying to find the right word
Speaker 1: to define your list. I would say that it is
Speaker 1: extremely mindset bay and it's extremely an approach to life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're looking with someone who has a specific approach to
Speaker 1: life exactly. Yeah, it's not that they have a specific
Speaker 1: life very true? Yeah right, yeah does that make And
Speaker 1: so how did you you know ascertain that Cole had
Speaker 1: some of these things? Because I think what often happens
Speaker 1: is when we get attracted to someone, or we feel
Speaker 1: a sense of infatuation, or we feel some chemistry or
Speaker 1: a spark with someone, often that ability to ascertain whether
Speaker 1: we're really going to be a good match goes out
Speaker 1: the window totally. How are you able to hold both?
Speaker 1: Because I think we do need attraction and chemistry of course,
Speaker 1: But at the same time you're saying, well, I was
Speaker 1: able to assess that he does have satin. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I was in an eight year long relationship before him. Um.
Speaker 1: So after that, I was like, okay, we're getting serious,
Speaker 1: Like we are going to make a list of things
Speaker 1: that I need, like genuinely like not one but actually need. Um.
Speaker 1: And with some of it it was being very straightforward, um,
Speaker 1: with like my questions as to like how he goes
Speaker 1: about life, and then in other ways it was just
Speaker 1: like really observing him and like genuinely his approach to life, um,
Speaker 1: like he has like an infectious spirit, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is something that is so beautiful and so wonderful,
Speaker 1: and I'm like I see myself in that as well.
Speaker 1: But like we just like had the same the same spirit,
Speaker 1: and I think that, like straight off the bat, I
Speaker 1: was very forthright with like what it is that I
Speaker 1: want in a relationship, and like I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: so you're down, you you're into those things as well.
Speaker 1: Love that, but like just being very straightforward, like you
Speaker 1: plan on getting married one day, Like you plan on
Speaker 1: having kids? You like kids? What's your relationship with your parents? Like,
Speaker 1: what's your relationship with your friends? How do you enjoy
Speaker 1: your work? Like everything just like diving in because like
Speaker 1: if you don't like those things get lost in the
Speaker 1: shuffle and then you end up investing time on people
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't. Is that date one? Yeah? I am
Speaker 1: so happy hearing you say that. I and I just
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that while we're having this conversation,
Speaker 1: I do not know this story in depth the way
Speaker 1: Venus is explaining it, So this is also my first
Speaker 1: reaction to it. I am so happy hearing you say that,
Speaker 1: Like it gives me so much assurance and confidence in
Speaker 1: what I hope people will do to find love in
Speaker 1: their life. Yeah. I did the same with RADI. We
Speaker 1: had the same conversations. We talked about children, we talked
Speaker 1: about our values, we talked about our beliefs, we talked
Speaker 1: about expectations. I was very clear with rather of the
Speaker 1: man that I think I am and the man that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be. I was clear about what
Speaker 1: my aspirations and priorities were and what I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to prioritize exactly. And it was uncomfortable to say
Speaker 1: those things. Scared that like, well, maybe this person is
Speaker 1: going to run away totally when they hear what I'm
Speaker 1: actually like, Yeah, but then if they stay exactly and
Speaker 1: they actually signed on for and it's like you give.
Speaker 1: Like my my sister actually it does a podcast as well,
Speaker 1: and I was like listening to it the other day
Speaker 1: and she was like, it's so important to like tell
Speaker 1: your friends or your partner if something's bothering you, because
Speaker 1: then you give them the opportunity to adjust, like otherwise
Speaker 1: they don't know. Shout out cell and that's crazy, that's crazy. Okay,
Speaker 1: listen to that episode. What was the episode about it
Speaker 1: was about this, Um, what was that one about? Just
Speaker 1: like friends and like you know, feeling foamo it? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: because it's it's also just like I know that we
Speaker 1: got a message, Um, I think you send it to
Speaker 1: my team saying kind of bring Dalla today. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I love that you said that, And I'm so glad
Speaker 1: she came because I would have been so sad if
Speaker 1: I as a friend. It's like if you if you
Speaker 1: felt that, but then you didn't tell me. Yeah, totally
Speaker 1: I know, And then I got to ask you just
Speaker 1: gotta you just gotta know, Like, and I'm so happy
Speaker 1: she's here and I'm so happy to meet her, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and when you told me the reason you like, I've
Speaker 1: been traveling and I haven't seen it for like that
Speaker 1: is so beautiful, Like why would you not? But we're
Speaker 1: so we're so scared, yeah, of showing that side of
Speaker 1: ourselves to someone and being like this is what I
Speaker 1: need and honoring our truths. Yes, I think, like it's
Speaker 1: so easy to disregard our truths when you like have
Speaker 1: a thought and you're like, oh, like I wish that
Speaker 1: this would happened, and like but no, like it shouldn't matter,
Speaker 1: like it's it's okay, it's fine. I don't really care,
Speaker 1: and like you don't honor your truth, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like it's something that you have to be actually
Speaker 1: mindful about and to like really listen to your intuition
Speaker 1: and like your inner voice, your inner child, Like you
Speaker 1: really have to like honor all of yourself because if
Speaker 1: you're not, then you're suppressing yourself, and then it's going
Speaker 1: to seem okay for someone else to suppress you because
Speaker 1: you're doing it to yourself. Yes, wow, that is that's
Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, that is so true. That and then
Speaker 1: that's just like a toxic tale starts off topic and
Speaker 1: that's the point, right. It's like if you plant a
Speaker 1: toxic seed exactly, like that's what's going to grow. Yes,
Speaker 1: And it's really hard to then switch to a rosebush
Speaker 1: or you know, to grow a beautiful tree or plant
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Like, I wonder, then how do
Speaker 1: you then navigate obviously when you do that, when you
Speaker 1: are like, well, here's what I'm looking for and here's
Speaker 1: what's important to me, how do you then navigate it
Speaker 1: when you don't necessarily align or agree? How have you
Speaker 1: dealt with that? Because I think that's another healthy thing
Speaker 1: to think about. I think we often have this romantic
Speaker 1: view of manifestation totally, and I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: you're suggesting. But I think a lot of people at
Speaker 1: this romantic view that when you're clear, you get exactly
Speaker 1: what you want the way you want it. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what you no, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: definitely not the case as well. Like I think that
Speaker 1: like everything does come back, yes, not always in the
Speaker 1: way that you expect it to exactly, not always at
Speaker 1: the time that you wanted to, but it always does
Speaker 1: in one form of the And I like, I truly
Speaker 1: believe that, and I like see that happening because I'll
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll ask for something and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. That's not like how I expected it
Speaker 1: to come, like like you know, like our on our zoom,
Speaker 1: like a tiny little like screen, not like at all
Speaker 1: when I was like expecting at all, but like it's
Speaker 1: it's the best thing that's ever happens to me. Um.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it always it always comes back around. Um.
Speaker 1: But like the mindfulness is like so important. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I love hearing about it. And I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see you both together and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hang out. Who by the way, for anyone who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: he'll join the meditation when he's like on the field,
Speaker 1: like he'll be like in this stance, he'll be, you know,
Speaker 1: walking to a game, like you'll be driving to get
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and he's he's always on. And I
Speaker 1: think there's so much to be said for that as well,
Speaker 1: to find people in places of similar values. I've always
Speaker 1: been a great encourager of that, is that you're going
Speaker 1: to find people when you're doing things that you're both
Speaker 1: passionate about and you're not going there to date. Like
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I literally was on the phone with
Speaker 1: my friend Vince this morning and I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's so funny because I feel
Speaker 1: like all my best relationships have like such an interesting
Speaker 1: story as to how we met. Like my friend Vince,
Speaker 1: who I was on the phone with, we met in
Speaker 1: a yoga class. Wow, and he's like one of my
Speaker 1: best friends. My other best friend Gigi, we met like
Speaker 1: in Bali because I was there with Oakley, like doing
Speaker 1: a surf thing. Even though I'm not a surfer, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I'm all about like trying new
Speaker 1: things and having new experiences because I feel like it
Speaker 1: builds character and it's also just like a great time.
Speaker 1: But like it was like one of those moments as well.
Speaker 1: And then like me and Gigi sat across from each
Speaker 1: other at the table and we like locked eyes and
Speaker 1: we were like, I see you. I see you in
Speaker 1: a way that's like different, like my soul sees you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like it's just so many of my relationships. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. How like you put yourself into the
Speaker 1: right place, in a place of love and you will
Speaker 1: attract it. Yeah, definitely, And this is GG you do
Speaker 1: workouts with, right, Yes, yes, a lot of things together,
Speaker 1: a lot of things in the work during quarantine, we
Speaker 1: like really put our minds together and we're like, let's
Speaker 1: be creative, Like let's let's keep the ball rolling, and
Speaker 1: we like we developed an animated show. We developed like
Speaker 1: a reality show for ourselves. We like wrote a future
Speaker 1: with our friend and we're just like yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but like all because we sat across from each other
Speaker 1: in Bali, that's incredible and I love that that's a
Speaker 1: recurring pattern in your life. Oh. Completely that the deepest
Speaker 1: relationships you have, whether it's Vince or Gig as you
Speaker 1: said now, call that they've come from these places where
Speaker 1: you weren't looking for that. Yeah. And so I think
Speaker 1: we often hear this idea of like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to look for love, and that's not what we're saying.
Speaker 1: What we're saying is that you often find it in
Speaker 1: a place of mutual value when you're loving yourself and
Speaker 1: honoring yourself. Yeah, that's that's the key, That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: And and and so much happens when you spend time in
Speaker 1: places of purpose totally. Like I feel like when you're
Speaker 1: going there for a purpose based reason, yeah, you're more
Speaker 1: likely to have this synergy happen. Oh my gosh, the
Speaker 1: amount of stuff that happened to me when I went
Speaker 1: to Paris for fashion week on my own was like
Speaker 1: just what I felt like I had team for months,
Speaker 1: but like it was just so cool because I'm like,
Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Week is something that I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to for a long time, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to go on my own because
Speaker 1: like it'll like it'll really like put me in there
Speaker 1: and I and I love that, Like I love those
Speaker 1: solo moments where I'm just like out there in the
Speaker 1: wilderness on my own, and like you meet people and
Speaker 1: like connect with people, and I'm like, some of my
Speaker 1: favorite memories that I've had like have been because I've
Speaker 1: gone places on my own. How what's given you that?
Speaker 1: I love hearing that because I'm the kind of person.
Speaker 1: So rather he's been away for three months and we
Speaker 1: haven't seen each other. I miss it. Yeah, And she's
Speaker 1: coming back in a month and I miss it. So
Speaker 1: it will be four months since we've seen each other,
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait. I'm about to throw her apart
Speaker 1: when she comes back and like fill on, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to go away and all the rest of
Speaker 1: it catch up and make make up for a last time.
Speaker 1: But I find that I'm the kind of person that
Speaker 1: will take myself out for a three course meal and
Speaker 1: I go away and go out or whatever. It is.
Speaker 1: What has given you the confidence in doing things alone?
Speaker 1: Because I think that is such a healthy habit. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that people should spend all the time alone
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, but how have you developed that habit?
Speaker 1: Is it just by practice? Is it just by throwing
Speaker 1: yourself out there, or now it sounds like it's something
Speaker 1: you intentionally do, like Paris Fashion Week. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you could have taken anyone you wanted to take, but
Speaker 1: you went on your own. Yeah. I feel like my
Speaker 1: first solo trip was when I was like, it was
Speaker 1: right after I did a stint of like really heavy,
Speaker 1: emotionally demanding movies. I think Give Me Shelter was the
Speaker 1: last one of that, and I came home and I
Speaker 1: like genuinely did not know who Vanesso was. I had
Speaker 1: like gotten so off on becoming this other person and
Speaker 1: like genuinely changed my mindset the way that I looked.
Speaker 1: I put on like twenty pounds, cut off all my hair,
Speaker 1: like all the things that made me me were not
Speaker 1: there anymore. And I was like, I need to do
Speaker 1: something because I'm like scared because I don't know who
Speaker 1: I am. And I was like, Okay, We're going to
Speaker 1: go on a yoga retreat. Of my publicist at the
Speaker 1: time was like, either's this retreat. They're doing it the
Speaker 1: four seasons. It was like a practice, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like go on my own because that
Speaker 1: scares me. And I was very much in that place
Speaker 1: of like do the things that scare you, because you
Speaker 1: will evolve, like you're forced to um. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like a yoga retreat in Hawaii, like pick
Speaker 1: gives me an excuse to be in Hawaii, but also
Speaker 1: like have something to do and like know that I'll
Speaker 1: be around people because like filming as well as an adult,
Speaker 1: Like when I hit eighteen, I would go off to
Speaker 1: film things all the time, and I would be on
Speaker 1: my own, and so like if I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to dinner, like a lot of times, I would just
Speaker 1: go by myself and like bring a book, and I
Speaker 1: definitely would have those moments where I'm like looking around
Speaker 1: like kind of trying to like lock eyes and engage
Speaker 1: with anyone. Probably would sit at the bar so I
Speaker 1: could like talk to the bartender because like I love
Speaker 1: I love people like I love I love just like
Speaker 1: talking to people. Yeah, but you start using a different
Speaker 1: part of your brain when you do that, Like you
Speaker 1: start using a different part of your energy where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can make something out of nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly said that you lose as we get older, that's
Speaker 1: because most of your life is surround about the same people,
Speaker 1: same work people, same life people, and so like when
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm trying to talk to the bartender
Speaker 1: or I'm trying to look even the idea of locking
Speaker 1: eyes with someone random overcome. Yeah, but it's favorite thing.
Speaker 1: I literally will like be driving and like well like
Speaker 1: turn and just like look at people if I'm stopped
Speaker 1: at a red light, and like try to like dance
Speaker 1: with people. The other day, this guy was like listening
Speaker 1: to a song. We had our windows down, he had
Speaker 1: his windows down, and me and my girlfriend were just
Speaker 1: like body well and like just like lock and I
Speaker 1: was trying to make this person laugh, like it's I
Speaker 1: love that. But the trip the yoga retreat in Hawaii
Speaker 1: ended up just being like so freeing because I was
Speaker 1: just like okay, like I'm here on my own, like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like talk to people that I connect
Speaker 1: with and like go from there, and like genuinely forced
Speaker 1: me to stay as present as possible because I was
Speaker 1: engaging with people I know nothing about. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the thing I love about talking to people that
Speaker 1: you don't know, Like you're forced to be present because
Speaker 1: It's like if you're actually trying to engage, which not
Speaker 1: everybody that Yeah, and then those are the people you
Speaker 1: don't need to engage with. But when you find people
Speaker 1: who you can like, it's you say, you're so present
Speaker 1: because you're actually listening. Yeah. What I love about hearing
Speaker 1: about your life that I'm learning about you today by
Speaker 1: being present with you is just you. You are very
Speaker 1: present because you have all these beautiful memories, and I
Speaker 1: find like these are not ideas in your life. They're
Speaker 1: not like just concepts that you intellectually understand. It's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like your whole life is an experience. Oh
Speaker 1: I went to fashion week because it is, and I
Speaker 1: was in this place because to have deep memories, you
Speaker 1: have to be deeply present totally, because otherwise you forget
Speaker 1: where you were last week or where you were even
Speaker 1: yesterday totally. And so how have you become more present?
Speaker 1: I mean, how have you practiced that? Or is you've
Speaker 1: been like that? Obviously it sounds like, but it's also
Speaker 1: sounds like it's very intentional. Again, like how have you
Speaker 1: raising your presence when when you're in a space or
Speaker 1: in an environment. I think like, honestly, it's come from
Speaker 1: the reflection and growth that I've done to like actually
Speaker 1: have confidence in myself, to like feel like I can
Speaker 1: take up as much space or as little space as
Speaker 1: I want, and knowing that I have that choice. I've
Speaker 1: always been very present person, and I think that I
Speaker 1: positioned myself now. Like It's taken so many years of
Speaker 1: like reflection and growth and like doing all the uncomfortable
Speaker 1: work to shape me into the person that I am,
Speaker 1: and I look back and I'm like, I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for all of it, so grateful for all the achy times,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of icky times in life, but
Speaker 1: like by leaning in and like not putting them into
Speaker 1: like a storage unit in my mind, but like actually
Speaker 1: processing them and like growing and evolving from it has
Speaker 1: allowed me to like have confidence in myself because I'm
Speaker 1: just like I know that I'm enough, like and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know that, like my point on life is beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I know that, like what I want to contribute
Speaker 1: to people and to the world is beautiful, and so
Speaker 1: I'm like it's all good. It's all good. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, right, Like when you make sense of your
Speaker 1: inner world on your own totally, that's where it has
Speaker 1: to click, because if it clicks for me, then like
Speaker 1: it's okay if it doesn't click for everybody, but like
Speaker 1: I know if that like I'm locked in. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you know. I always say to people like, if you
Speaker 1: have a decision or a choice you want to make,
Speaker 1: and if you know why you're doing it, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're clear on that, it will not bother you if
Speaker 1: other people don't understand exactly, but if you don't know
Speaker 1: why you're doing it, just like, and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing from you. It's that that that inner click has
Speaker 1: has has fit for you. And it sounds like during
Speaker 1: the pandemic you were extremely innovative, collaborative, seemed like you
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of cool stuff. We both shared
Speaker 1: this in common. We both launched a different type of
Speaker 1: beverage line during the pandemic, and afterwards you launched Cali Water,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. Yeah, And I want to hear about
Speaker 1: just when when I first th I was like Cactus.
Speaker 1: I was like that is so unique, Like it is
Speaker 1: so different. I didn't even I didn't even know. And
Speaker 1: there's gonna sound really silly, but I was like I
Speaker 1: didn't even know you could get totally like I have
Speaker 1: cactus to my house, so I'm like, I have no
Speaker 1: idea if you can drink it? Yeah, exact us through
Speaker 1: some of the some of the and that that's one
Speaker 1: of them. I'm sure there's plenty of others. But where
Speaker 1: did those ideas and innovations start because that requires such
Speaker 1: a different mindset and it sounds like you had this
Speaker 1: space to be innovative and creative. You said you were
Speaker 1: doing what would Gigi doing this? I love a collaboration. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I live for a collaboration because I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: what I can bring to the table, and then you
Speaker 1: collaborate with people who knows what they can bring to
Speaker 1: the table, and it's like you guys have fun doing
Speaker 1: it together. Yeah, okay go And that's literally how I
Speaker 1: feel like all my business ventures have been, um, you know,
Speaker 1: with Callie Water. It was our friend Oliver Trena, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: who is my business partner, and like he came to
Speaker 1: me and he was like we should we need to
Speaker 1: like do something together, and he's like there's we could
Speaker 1: do like beverages, and he's like, there's like cactus, there's
Speaker 1: a lot, there's something there. And like I went to
Speaker 1: New Mexico on a road trip and was drinking Prickly
Speaker 1: pear Margharita's and I was like, what is this heavenly nectar?
Speaker 1: And like why do I know nothing about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then started like researching what prickly pears and then
Speaker 1: like realized all the health benefits and then you know,
Speaker 1: like we're like okay, cool, so like that's like a thing.
Speaker 1: There's something there. And then like him like taking the
Speaker 1: reins and putting together an incredible team to like put
Speaker 1: together this drink and like bring it to life, and
Speaker 1: then like me doing like the creative and like the tastings,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nuts a little off, Like I need
Speaker 1: something more of this, like maybe a little like more
Speaker 1: monkf or like you know, like something um and packaging. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too, But it's just like it's such a
Speaker 1: fun creative outlet for me that like I really enjoy,
Speaker 1: Like it's so stimulating to me and exciting and it's
Speaker 1: just like really cool being able to be passionate about
Speaker 1: something and then like sharing that passion with the masses. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. No, I highly recommend everyone grabs it because
Speaker 1: it's I just love seeing people find multiple ways to
Speaker 1: express themselves and not being scared and not feeling limited
Speaker 1: by like, oh, I'm an actress, as should be that,
Speaker 1: or like I'm at this. Yeah, I'm like, but we're
Speaker 1: all just creative artists individuals, and when we can just
Speaker 1: like paint through every single color and every single brush,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that, and I think it should
Speaker 1: be encouraged more. And I think often we feel limited
Speaker 1: and restricted by what we think people will think and
Speaker 1: what they literally and we stop realizing that we just
Speaker 1: have to color more and paint more and get out
Speaker 1: there more. Is there something you do to tap into
Speaker 1: more creativity or innovation? Is there any habits or any
Speaker 1: rituals you have or is that also same connected with
Speaker 1: doing the intuitive work. It's literally all intuitive, I feel,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's the magic thing. I think
Speaker 1: that like when I'm doing things that I'm inspired to
Speaker 1: do and I honor those inspirations, the thrill and the
Speaker 1: fulfillment that comes along with it is like what I
Speaker 1: imagine it's like to have kids. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: because you're put I'm like such a vulnerable piece of
Speaker 1: uniquely you into something and then and then sharing it
Speaker 1: and so it's like it's such a vulnerable thing. Um.
Speaker 1: Like I I came up with like a reality show
Speaker 1: for me and Gigi, and I'm like, it's so funny
Speaker 1: because I, like fifteen years ago would be like I
Speaker 1: would never do a reality show, like I am a
Speaker 1: serious actress. Um, But this this show, like I I
Speaker 1: came up with, like I birthed it from my mind
Speaker 1: and I was just like, this is something that I
Speaker 1: love and like would love to do because I feel
Speaker 1: like it would be hilarious and it's a great time.
Speaker 1: But also like yeah, we're hysterical if we have something. Um,
Speaker 1: but like also so creative and like down to what
Speaker 1: we're wearing in our show and like who we're partnered
Speaker 1: with and like just putting on the business hat. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's really exciting. I'm like, she's a she's a woman,
Speaker 1: Like she's making moves just because I'm like leaning into
Speaker 1: my interest and like honoring the ideas that I have
Speaker 1: rather than like pushing them down. And the show's happening.
Speaker 1: You know, we're waiting on something. But like it's been
Speaker 1: so exciting because we've like literally gotten so many of
Speaker 1: our ducks in the row where we're like this would
Speaker 1: be the dream and then like it's falling into place,
Speaker 1: and I love that. It's just so nice because I'm
Speaker 1: doing it all like with people that I love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love hearing about ideas when they're being formed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's it's special. Like we usually hear about like oh,
Speaker 1: we just made the show. Yeah, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: but this is the part that's so interesting because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we did this, and now we did this and we're
Speaker 1: waiting for this and we're figuring this out and I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that everyone who's listening or watching is hearing it, going, oh,
Speaker 1: that's normal, Like yeah, literally stems from an idea, Yeah
Speaker 1: what if? What if? And then like building it off
Speaker 1: of there, and like that's why I love doing things
Speaker 1: with my friends because the snowballing is so real, you know,
Speaker 1: Like is that what it's called? Yeah, And it's just
Speaker 1: like the best thing because like even like the future
Speaker 1: feature that we did, like it was me, Gigi and
Speaker 1: our friend Asha, who has written for like American Horror
Speaker 1: Story and like we love American Horror Story and it
Speaker 1: totally fits with a vibe of like our idea and
Speaker 1: she was like, you guys are at a feature and
Speaker 1: we were like yeah, and then we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: so what if it starts here and it's about like
Speaker 1: these four witches and like it just snowballs from there
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's so cool because I feel
Speaker 1: like everything that I'm doing is something that I'm like
Speaker 1: so passionate about, and like I'm really like carving out
Speaker 1: time to like stay super engaged in everything that I'm
Speaker 1: doing and not just like taking a back seat. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna ask you, Like, how are you?
Speaker 1: And I can see that, I mean every idea, everything
Speaker 1: we've spoken about today, I can tell how passionate you.
Speaker 1: It's in flow, it's in your heart, it's it's there.
Speaker 1: So that's so evident to me as someone who I
Speaker 1: feel like I live a very similar life and that
Speaker 1: I do a lot of different things that I'm passionate about.
Speaker 1: How are you prioritizing making time to do all of that?
Speaker 1: Like what works for you? Because I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people going, oh wow, Like you know, Vanessa
Speaker 1: is doing a ton of stuff. I mean, she has
Speaker 1: new movies coming out, she's doing this, and she's doing this,
Speaker 1: and she's building this, Like how do you make sense
Speaker 1: of doing so many different things? And how do you
Speaker 1: balance it? Because you're still you're still working out, you're
Speaker 1: still doing your your own personal practices. How are you
Speaker 1: balancing and managing that? All? I think it's about like
Speaker 1: really honoring my my my needs and like having a
Speaker 1: strong priority list. Um, I feel like right now I'm
Speaker 1: being very clear and intentional with my my career. Um.
Speaker 1: In acting, I'm like, I'm not doing anything unless like
Speaker 1: it pushes me in a new way, challenges me in
Speaker 1: a new way, or it's with people that I can
Speaker 1: work with that I like really respect and I know
Speaker 1: will help me evolve and grow. Um. Otherwise, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I only want to be doing things that like I'm
Speaker 1: producing because then I'm like I have like a say
Speaker 1: on the story and like the way that it looks
Speaker 1: and like the way that shot. Like you know, like
Speaker 1: I can be like so much more creative to like
Speaker 1: the overall outcome of the movie because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like so many things end up on the cutting room
Speaker 1: floor and like that's fine, but you're like you watch
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh they went with that take interesting,
Speaker 1: and You've like no say over yeah, it's tough, but
Speaker 1: like I'm like as a producer, I like can come
Speaker 1: in and like can help like build out projects, and
Speaker 1: like I can I can actually dream them up myself
Speaker 1: and like bring them to the table and like find
Speaker 1: producers that I really respect and admire and like use
Speaker 1: their minds to like snow of all with and see
Speaker 1: how we can work together to bring it to life.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it's it's so much more
Speaker 1: fulfilling for me as an actress to be able to
Speaker 1: be a part of that creative which is why I'm
Speaker 1: like one day, one day I will direct because I'm
Speaker 1: like it's something that I love so much, and I'm
Speaker 1: like my point of view is, i think, not what
Speaker 1: a lot of people would think because they did like
Speaker 1: get to know me from high school musical. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my taste is like weird and it's trippy and it's
Speaker 1: dark sometimes. So I'm like that's something that I would
Speaker 1: love to eventually get to. But like I have that
Speaker 1: aspect of my life, and then I have like the
Speaker 1: business side of things where I'm like making sure I
Speaker 1: just gone assistant like for the first time because I
Speaker 1: was like I am too busy and I need to
Speaker 1: like honor my time and like I need help. I
Speaker 1: was just like doing everything on my own, but so
Speaker 1: like I have her and I'm like now I'm like
Speaker 1: every top of the week, I'm like, Okay, we need
Speaker 1: to check in with these people, like set up calls
Speaker 1: and we'll get it done. And I'm like sure to
Speaker 1: check in with all the businesses, like see what they need,
Speaker 1: see where we're at, and then like making sure that
Speaker 1: I have my me time, which is hard because i
Speaker 1: feel like the me time also funnels into like my
Speaker 1: relationship because that is what I want, Like I want
Speaker 1: to be with my partner. But I'm like, also my
Speaker 1: work I feel also drives my slight me time too
Speaker 1: because I'm like I'm I'm here in La. I'm not
Speaker 1: with him at the moment because i have things that
Speaker 1: I'm doing here and like like my flat Papletics collection
Speaker 1: is coming out in April, and I'm like that is
Speaker 1: something that I like designed myself, like another full creativity step.
Speaker 1: But I'm like here and I like get to talk
Speaker 1: about it and like I feel like it's just so
Speaker 1: like I said, so nice to have these things that
Speaker 1: I'm like putting a lot of myself into and being
Speaker 1: able to talk about them and like share them with
Speaker 1: others and like hopefully that connects me with other people
Speaker 1: who are like minded as well. You know, well, all
Speaker 1: I experience from you today is this abundance, Like there's
Speaker 1: an abundance of creativity in your life. There's an abundance
Speaker 1: of expression. There's also an abundance of like genuine confidence
Speaker 1: in who you are and how you show up and
Speaker 1: and everything you're doing. And I love seeing it, Like
Speaker 1: it's so fun. I find it's so fun to observe
Speaker 1: that in someone, Yeah, because I appreciate that it's taken
Speaker 1: work and that it's not something that that person was
Speaker 1: just given totally. And so yeah, just just viewing you
Speaker 1: today and observing you today and like it's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: electric to experience that through someone. Thank you, And I
Speaker 1: congratulated for all those aspects. Thank you, because it's I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's lots of people listening and watching, going, oh,
Speaker 1: I can be everything I want to be. Yeah, you'll care,
Speaker 1: it's okay, Yeah, totally. You know, we don't have to
Speaker 1: like we don't have to choose anymore you have to limit.
Speaker 1: You can be everything. And that was like a big
Speaker 1: wake up call for me. I was like, no one
Speaker 1: is one thing, Like we're so allowed, and like it
Speaker 1: should be celebrated to be as many different things as
Speaker 1: you can be, as long as they're honest and truthful
Speaker 1: and like coming from within, not from an idea of
Speaker 1: what you think you should be doing. That's it. Yeah, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: You've been so generous with your time. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: could sit here and talk forever. I mean, you've been
Speaker 1: I know you've been traveling, and I've been moving around.
Speaker 1: I know you're catching up. So I want to express
Speaker 1: to you so much gratitude from my heart for your time,
Speaker 1: your energy turning up to the zen zones, your friendship,
Speaker 1: your reflections in the zen zones, Like I always feel
Speaker 1: like you'll come in and you'll open up, and then
Speaker 1: everyone else feels inspired to open up some more as well,
Speaker 1: and and even today, like it has truly been wonderful
Speaker 1: to witness just what exudes from you. And I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I appreciate you. You're very kind. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and we all do sentence which which energies are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we end every on Purpose episode with what we
Speaker 1: call the Final Five. These are five fast questions that
Speaker 1: have to be answered in one word to one sentence
Speaker 1: maximum love it. You can take your time to think
Speaker 1: about them, but the answers attire so all right. So
Speaker 1: the first question is what is the best advice you've
Speaker 1: ever received or herd in this moment of my life
Speaker 1: where I am honor yourself. M that's great advice. We've
Speaker 1: never had that before in the show. Great advice. It's
Speaker 1: a good short sentence too. It is beautiful, easy to remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so because I feel like it's so easy to
Speaker 1: not in so many different aspects, and it's like if
Speaker 1: you actually do, then like you can like live your
Speaker 1: truth and that's what we're all trying to do right.
Speaker 1: Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever received? Ahead? Um,
Speaker 1: like maybe always say yes. I feel like, um, saying
Speaker 1: yes can like definitely be a wonderful thing. But I
Speaker 1: think it's what you say no to that shapes you
Speaker 1: your character. That's great advice. I really like that. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: See good. Yeah, the stillness is good. Yeah, it does
Speaker 1: it does, okay. Question number three, how would you define
Speaker 1: your current purpose or the current impact you're trying to
Speaker 1: have in the world? And spread joy. Honestly, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have an abundance of it. If I
Speaker 1: can share it, that's like the most beautiful thing I
Speaker 1: can offer. I love that. Yeah, that's beautiful. All right.
Speaker 1: Question number four, what's the first thing you do in
Speaker 1: the morning and the last thing you do at night?
Speaker 1: Oh God, I hate my answer, but if I'm going
Speaker 1: to answer truth, it's probably like, well, it depends on
Speaker 1: where I am. Yes, Like if I'm with Darla, I
Speaker 1: like just find her and like hold her, Yes, have
Speaker 1: a little cuddle and like I think I like I'm
Speaker 1: a big like deep breather in the morning, like get
Speaker 1: back into breath, but like check my phone. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: it also like depends like on if I'm on my
Speaker 1: own or if I'm with Cole, Yeah, because I'm like
Speaker 1: if I'm with him, then it's like, oh, like my
Speaker 1: first thing is like, oh, gratitude and just like love. Um.
Speaker 1: If I'm on my own, I'm just like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: do we got for this? Thank you for the honesty.
Speaker 1: But I also like the answers, all right. Fifth and
Speaker 1: final question, if you could create one law that everyone
Speaker 1: in the world had to follow or one habit that
Speaker 1: everyone had to do every day? What would it be
Speaker 1: think before you speak? Oh wow, that was I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's like the that's just the first one
Speaker 1: that popped into my mind, but like it's it's I
Speaker 1: feel like we all, we all could navigate through life
Speaker 1: a bit better if we really stopped to, like really
Speaker 1: think before we spoke and be impeccable with your word. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go into the four group. Done.
Speaker 1: Great book changed my life. Yeah, but yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I'm such a such a lover,
Speaker 1: and it really bums me out when people get into
Speaker 1: arguments and they say things that they don't mean because
Speaker 1: they're not thinking before they speak, and like the miscommunication
Speaker 1: that comes along with it. It's just like it's it's
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to me when relationships can be like just deeply
Speaker 1: tarnished and those moments of like heighted heightened emotions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because we didn't just because we didn't pause. You're
Speaker 1: so right that I feel like relationships have ruined just
Speaker 1: because we didn't breathe literally didn't pause. Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: take that moment of stillness to respond and not react.
Speaker 1: You destroy lifelong relationships because you misinterpreted a word, or
Speaker 1: you misunderstood an emotion exactly, or you misconstrued a feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. Also like just speak your mind. I think balance,
Speaker 1: it's like the balance of it because I feel like
Speaker 1: I grew growing up in the industry is like tough.
Speaker 1: This is not an answer we said one sentence now,
Speaker 1: Like growing up in the industry is tough. And I
Speaker 1: feel like it was really easy for me to just
Speaker 1: like put on my professional face because like I was
Speaker 1: doing what I loved like such an early age. So
Speaker 1: for me, I was like, okay, like this is my
Speaker 1: adult voice, Like this is my adult thoughts. Um, And
Speaker 1: it was like so easy for me to like not
Speaker 1: just like speak up. And I, like I said, like,
Speaker 1: if you're suppressing one aspect of yourself, then like it
Speaker 1: dripples into everything. And I feel like in relationships through
Speaker 1: the years, like I look back and I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: there's so many moments where I'm like if I just
Speaker 1: would have like spoken up and like said how I how,
Speaker 1: I've actually felt like so much pain and like tears
Speaker 1: could have been avoided. Um. But like by going through that,
Speaker 1: like I now know like how important it is to
Speaker 1: like speak up and like honor yourself. Because of the
Speaker 1: times that I didn't, it doesn't make it any easier,
Speaker 1: Like it's still like something that like even I have
Speaker 1: to like be like okay, brave face, we're talking about
Speaker 1: this now, and like genuinely have to hide myself up
Speaker 1: for um But I I feel like so many women
Speaker 1: get into relationships where they're suppressing themselves and like or
Speaker 1: probably men too, you know, like and I just I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so about like living as openly and freely and
Speaker 1: truthfully as possible because that's where I feel like the
Speaker 1: magic sits, the creativity sits, Like that's where if there's
Speaker 1: an abundance of all of it. Um So, I think
Speaker 1: it's so important to like push yourself to get there.
Speaker 1: That is a beautiful thing to end up like that
Speaker 1: is such a great like grounding message for us to
Speaker 1: throw into the world. Vanessa, As I said before, I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for your time and your presence, just what
Speaker 1: you've brought to this today, for bringing Dala having a
Speaker 1: little wonderful Dala. Do you have anything you'd like to say,
Speaker 1: any any message for our audience. I love life. That's
Speaker 1: a great message, and I want to thank everyone who's
Speaker 1: been listening and watching today, And what I'd love for
Speaker 1: you to do is tag Vanessa and I when you
Speaker 1: share the messages that resonated, the magic that came through
Speaker 1: the maybe ideas or insights that Vanessa mentioned that you're
Speaker 1: going to try and practice and apply in your life.
Speaker 1: I love knowing what you're switching from information to action.
Speaker 1: That gives me so much joy knowing that you listen
Speaker 1: to this podcast but then you make a shift in
Speaker 1: your life. Please tag me and Vanessa on all social
Speaker 1: media platforms to let us know what's resonating with you
Speaker 1: and what's connecting with you. Keep listening to on purpose,
Speaker 1: and please, please please go and shower Vanessa with so
Speaker 1: much love. She has so much exciting stuff coming up,
Speaker 1: whether it's her new line with Fabletics, whether it's Cali Water.
Speaker 1: She's this is probably gonna come out later, but she
Speaker 1: hosted the pre show at the Oscars. I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited to see what you're going to continue to do.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this movie you're going to direct, this
Speaker 1: reality show, but more than anything, I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: deep enough friendship connection with Cole as well with Raley too,
Speaker 1: and I love how you show up in the world
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that I get to know you.
Speaker 1: So thanks for Nan, Thank you so much. You