00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. Thought I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guest, You're own presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff. So how did you dan to surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridgard Wineger. We're in the backyard. You're catching me at an interesting moment in my life. I'm between house guests. The water that you know I've talked about endlessly coming into my house on the last ninety episodes continues. It's clear at this point that none of you are praying for me. I guess this is just my existence now. The water it comes when it rains. I don't know what to do. I've kind of given myself over to it, and so that's kind of where I am. We're looking down the barrel of another house guest at nine am tomorrow morning, so we'll see what happens over the weekend. Okay, we're here now, this is an interesting episode. This guest is fantastic and this is actually her second time on the podcast. The first time on the podcast was an incredible, beautiful episode. I mean The conversation was absolutely terrific. And then the power went out and the audio file vanished. So she's here for the second time, hopefully for the first time on recorded audio. It's Jamie Loftus, Jamie, Hi, welcome back. 00:02:05 Speaker 3: Oh it's good to be back. I feel right at home now. 00:02:08 Speaker 2: It's great. What an interesting experience that was. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: It really was, and it was such a nice conversation. I considered on the bus right over, I'm like, what if I made it really tense. 00:02:20 Speaker 2: It's a completely different atmosphere this time. 00:02:23 Speaker 3: People wouldn't believe how famously we got along the first time. 00:02:27 Speaker 2: To listen to the second apart, absolutely fell apart. Yeah, yeah, that was an interesting one because we were talking for a while, then the power went out, and we waited for the power to come back on, started talking for a while. Power went out. I think it went out a total of three times. We should have taken the second time. This is some type of sign but we all kind of were hoping, yes, that it would work out well. 00:02:51 Speaker 3: I like that about us. 00:02:53 Speaker 2: It was kind of our personal lost album, just kind of lost time. 00:02:58 Speaker 3: There's going to be, you know, some future technic that allows them to extract it. 00:03:04 Speaker 2: They're going to be digging it up one hundred years from now. Last episode like. 00:03:07 Speaker 3: Whatever our version of like watching an old episode of CSI with like the motion smoothing on that'll exist. 00:03:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, after we discovered that the episode would not be coming out, I just began going over all the topics of my brain and being like trying to reconstruct how will we have the same conversation again and exactly okay, But then kind of gave up and thought, well, just we're gonna have to talk about other things. But we've I mean, there are topics that I would love to discuss again. We touched on things a lot of my favorite subjects. I feel like we talked about the grocery store. 00:03:44 Speaker 3: I was like, we definitely talked about bread, talks about bread and eggs. 00:03:48 Speaker 2: Why are we talking about bread and eggs? 00:03:50 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think maybe that back then, the price of eggs spiking was a new topic. 00:03:57 Speaker 2: It was it was so fresh, it was so new, it was exciting, it was different. But now I feel like eggs are I think stabilized. 00:04:05 Speaker 3: I think a little bit that's interesting to hear because I have Actually I am a little bit stressed out about eggs right now? 00:04:11 Speaker 2: Why still? 00:04:12 Speaker 3: I guess it's more of a constant in my life than I realized. I had a house guest, wonderful house guest, wonderful friend, who before she left, did a showing of I think I couldn't tell you. I think it was done like from a good place where she like got some basics for my fridge. Oh sure, sure, because I don't. We talked about this last time. I don't have a lot of food. 00:04:37 Speaker 2: Neither of us has food to make meals. 00:04:40 Speaker 4: Right, more of a feral approach to eating at home. 00:04:44 Speaker 3: And I guess that having a house guest, really, I think maybe I brought it up a couple of times of like feeling, you know, untethered that I couldn't, you know, prepare something basic for us. 00:04:55 Speaker 4: And so before she left she did a really I mean like it was too much. 00:04:59 Speaker 3: She she filled the fridge with things that were healthy that she thought I would like, and I think she forgot that I was going to be leaving town in like a week and a half, which for most of the things were great. It was like, oh, I can you know, eat a carton of cherry tomatoes in ten days? Now? 00:05:14 Speaker 2: Sure? 00:05:15 Speaker 4: But she got me thirty six eggs. 00:05:17 Speaker 2: Thirty six what even if you were in town that long, unless you were making an omelet every day? 00:05:23 Speaker 3: Three dozen eggs, that is a lot. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: Was a carton of thirty six eggs. 00:05:28 Speaker 4: They make I didn't even know this. They make cartons of eighteen eighteen. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: So she brought you to eighteens. 00:05:33 Speaker 4: Yeah that's the yeah, thirty six, Yeah, thirty six eggs. 00:05:37 Speaker 3: And I leave in you know, thirty six hours, and I haven't eaten a single eggs. 00:05:42 Speaker 2: You haven't eaten any of them? 00:05:44 Speaker 4: I had no. 00:05:44 Speaker 3: It was if she got me twelve, I probably would have eaten at least six by now, you know, in ten days, I could do that, but just the sheer volume of them, and then knowing that they're more valuable than ever. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: Of course they're gold each one. 00:05:59 Speaker 3: And I don't, I don't, I don't. I should have brought maybe you and your. 00:06:03 Speaker 2: House brought into it. I could have been gorging myself on age. How long are you going to be gone for? 00:06:10 Speaker 3: I'm going to be gone for about ten days. So when I come back, and I do have a house sitter, so I'm going. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: To encourage her to go crazy. 00:06:17 Speaker 4: But there's no way. 00:06:19 Speaker 3: She's she's going to blow through thirty six eggs and ten days any more than I could have. And then when I get back, if we I don't know, I know that, like I've heard varying things about expiration dates. 00:06:31 Speaker 4: I'm willing to go a few days beyond. 00:06:33 Speaker 3: But according to the the text, when. 00:06:37 Speaker 4: I get back, I have three days. 00:06:41 Speaker 3: To finish the thirty six eggs. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: What is the is it Brewster's Millions? Is the thing where he has to spend a million dollars in a day? You have to eat thirty six eggs seventy two hours or something. 00:06:52 Speaker 3: I sort of thought about. I could, and maybe I would do it if I wasn't concerned that it would get back to her, because I think that if my friend knew that the eggs were a source of st that was the opposite of what she was trying. She was trying to make my life easier, of course, and was you know, appreciative that she had been able to stay. But the eggs, I don't know. I mean, I would invite a bunch of people over and be like, I got to get rid of these eggs, But I'm just afraid that it would get back to her and she would be like, oh, I stressed her out with the eggs. 00:07:18 Speaker 2: I will say this. I bought like a vintage Martha Stewart cookbook or entertaining book a few years ago, and it was just like different ideas for parties, this kind of thing. And one of the parties was midnight omelet party for thirty that was the title. 00:07:35 Speaker 3: So I feel like that is some house arrest behavior that is amazing. For third, I don't know, I don't. I don't have enough eggs for that. 00:07:45 Speaker 2: Right, everyone gets one egg or like less than a night. 00:07:48 Speaker 3: But the fact that I get to host a midnight omelet party for ten there we go is shocking in. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: And right, everybody gets about three egg omelet. That feels right. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: I think that that's right. 00:07:59 Speaker 4: I don't eat a lot of eggs at home. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: I just don't. 00:08:03 Speaker 4: And the texture of scrambled eggs I have. 00:08:06 Speaker 3: I don't know what the latent memory is, but I just don't like the smell or taste or feel of scrambled eggs. There's got to be one over easy. I love it over easy, aren't they great? 00:08:18 Speaker 2: I love it over medium. Over medium's a little more in control. It's like you're not you know, you're not going to be wiping it off the plate. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: I used to have a joke about over easy eggs because, yeah, it does feel like a more tantric egg. 00:08:30 Speaker 4: It's a conreporation, it's a risk, it's frat. 00:08:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. I occasionally a restaurant will have an over easy egg on a sandwich and it makes absolutely no sense. 00:08:41 Speaker 4: Oh, because it's going to be gushing, it blows. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: Up, and then the egg is essentially no longer in the sandwich. 00:08:48 Speaker 3: And then you and then your sandwich is wet and you Yeah, it's I I but some people really seem to. I feel like those sandwiches are made for people who are They're going in knowing I'm going to eat this really fast. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: You have to. 00:09:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta be with a real, real gobbler to make a said look like that work. 00:09:07 Speaker 2: Where are you going? 00:09:08 Speaker 4: I'm going on my first I'm performing on a cruise. 00:09:12 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know. 00:09:14 Speaker 3: I'm excited about it. I'm also like, if I don't like it, it'll be so unpleasant. But I think I think I'll like it. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: And where does the cruise go? 00:09:22 Speaker 3: It leaves? Oh, I keep forgetting the second place. But it leaves from Fort Lauderdale. OK so we're landing in Fort Latderdale. I think it's like spring break now, okay, perfect, so kind of I'm like mostly excited to and then yeah, and then it goes to Puerto Rico the week of spring break, so that's. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: Gonna be while you're hitting all the spring break spots. 00:09:39 Speaker 4: And then there's like one other it's in the logical, I don't know, there's. 00:09:43 Speaker 3: One more stop. And then you go back to Fort Latderdale at the end of spring break. And then I kind of am excited to even more so than looking at the cruise people. I'm excited to see the people on break now. 00:09:58 Speaker 2: So is this like it's just kind of a vanilla cruz that you just are going to be performing on or is it like a comedy cruise or one of those types. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: It's like it seems to be and there's no way to say this without it sounding pejorative. 00:10:11 Speaker 4: Seems to be like nerd based interests. 00:10:14 Speaker 2: Oh on the criz. I feel like I've heard of this. 00:10:18 Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, everything. And so it's like there's some there's a couple stand ups, there's Amy Man. 00:10:24 Speaker 2: I was gonna say Amy, I was talking to her recently and she said she was going on a cruise the singer of and writer of this podcast theme song, and obviously much more important things there. 00:10:36 Speaker 3: I don't know, that might be her seminal work. I really I'm excited to see I've never seen her before, and before I have never met her, so I'm excited to meet her. And then there's some podcasts and I do some podcasting, okay cruise, which I don't. I mean, I'm just like, I'm fascinated that people want podcasts on a cruise. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: It's interesting, like these cultures kind of meeting cruise culture. Nerd culture doesn't really to me line up. 00:11:01 Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I'm very curious to well, I'm excited to do it. Everyone's been so nice, and I think that, like it seems like it's nice to be in a place where it seems like people want to come to the shows if they go on the cruise, versus other stand ups who are on like the more vanilla cruise, it's like nobody wants to. 00:11:20 Speaker 2: Be no looking at They're kind of reluctantly there because there's nothing else to do on the cruise. They're done gambling and they're done eating, They're like, what else do you have to give me? 00:11:27 Speaker 3: The last stop? So so I like that. It's like, oh, there people are on this cruise because they like comedy and podcasts and music and stuff. I am really excited to see people who are being dragged on the cruise partners. Yes, yeah, that are like you know, I sure I'll listen to a podcast, but then on day I want to see those people on day five and see where they're at mentally emotionally. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: I feel like day five they I've got Day three they break, and day five that they're kind of in the life now that that's who they are. 00:12:02 Speaker 3: They come all the way back around, I hope. So I really like, I'm very and I just have never have you ever been on a cruise? 00:12:09 Speaker 2: I've been. So you've never been on a cruise. I've been on a cruise. Cruises are not for me. Okay, okay, it's not for me in any way I have. I mean, the complaint really comes down to food. You're kind of trapped on this thing with bad food and that's it, and then you're kind of stopping at different islands or whatever, but not actually experiencing the island itself. It's like you pull up to a mall like that they sell jewelry at because there's a lot of duty free type stuff. Yes, you get out and look at all of that. I guess you can go on like the kayaking or ziplining adventures or what have you. But I didn't do any of those things. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: No, and I don't think that I will. I don't really know, at least in Puerto Rico I went to I was a maid of I was a maid of honor in Puerto Rico. Not to brag, but I've already done kayaking. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: Did you kayak through the bioluminescent Bay? 00:13:04 Speaker 3: Yes? 00:13:04 Speaker 2: Yes, How was that experience? 00:13:06 Speaker 3: The girlies and I did it? Well, it was a good experience. It was really beautiful. Everyone was very nice. But there were a few you know, bridesmaids that were arguing and on the kayak, on the kayak and they were not in the same blotch, not in the same kayak. So it was like they should have just been in the same kayak. But they're like, we should, we should suffer it for a while, but the discussion clearly wasn't over. And so there's the other two of us are doing the heavy lifting on the on the kayak and they're you know, wanting to get the kayaks, so they're bumping up and but but the bioluminescent was so beautiful. 00:13:45 Speaker 2: I really was, well, these two women were just bickering across kayaks. 00:13:50 Speaker 3: Oh god knows what, Yeah, because I just didn't I didn't know them very well. But we had a nice we Outside of that, we had we had a nice time. And then the bachelor party, I mean that seemed like it was really fun. What happened there, Well, I was again, you know, you're just like picking up various tasks, and so it is my task to babysit the best man's nine year old daughter for the night of the bad. I was like, that's fine. I like, you know, watch I hadn't seen Turning Red, so this is my opportunity to watch it. And then explained that I was alive during that year and just have you know, watch her kind of lose it. So we had a great time. But then it's like he just like never came back. Even when the other guys came. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: Back, Oh how long have they been gone? 00:14:37 Speaker 3: Initially they were they said, you know, because someone I mean, I think my cousin texted someone there like, oh, we'll be back by you know too, And they're drunk and it's fine, but but yeah, the best man just didn't. 00:14:47 Speaker 4: He came back the next day and then he said that they left. 00:14:50 Speaker 3: Him on the street. What And then he fell asleep on the street and then he. 00:14:55 Speaker 2: Could have killed he could he's a father. 00:14:59 Speaker 3: And then and so she wakes up and she's like where I was like, I have no idea where he is. I don't know. 00:15:04 Speaker 2: Suddenly you're saddled with a nine year. 00:15:06 Speaker 4: Old and yeah, and then now I'm a mother. 00:15:09 Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do? 00:15:10 Speaker 2: It was? 00:15:10 Speaker 3: I mean, it was a it was I'm excited to get a second shot at Puerto Rico. 00:15:15 Speaker 2: I guess, right, all right, this is going to be a new experience for you. I mean the cruise is going to offer so many new feelings. 00:15:22 Speaker 4: It's yeah, Well, was there anything you liked about? 00:15:25 Speaker 3: It? Was anything that like stuck on half? 00:15:26 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess looking at the ocean, but that can be done from other vessels or land. Yeah, you can do it on your own timetable. I feel like I there was really nothing I enjoyed. I mean, I was just kind of you're trapped. I mean, this was a long time ago. This was probably when I was twenty or something, so this was I mean, it was a cruises. 00:15:51 Speaker 3: Bad college age seems like a bad time for a cruise. Yeah. 00:15:54 Speaker 2: Maybe cruises have gotten with the program and are a little bit more fun. But I just remember kind of laundering around. It felt like I was in them all. And I also get seasick. You get sick, you should have led with that. 00:16:09 Speaker 3: I don't know if I. 00:16:10 Speaker 2: Get sy, Oh take some what's the thing you take that? A? 00:16:14 Speaker 3: It's not aqua for but it should. 00:16:15 Speaker 2: Be right starts at the A? Or is it a d oh drama? 00:16:21 Speaker 1: Drama? 00:16:22 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a beautiful name. 00:16:24 Speaker 3: It's for for a little girl. 00:16:27 Speaker 2: If anyone's gonna give birth soon. Drama mean gene drama. Mean, uh, that's a really nice little name. 00:16:34 Speaker 3: That's really nice. 00:16:35 Speaker 2: But you should take some with you. 00:16:36 Speaker 3: I should, yeah, because I because I'm sure they sell it on the boat for nine hundred. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: Dollars, right, really take advantage. 00:16:42 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I think I am. I think I am excited as long as I don't get seasick, which will be the real test. 00:16:49 Speaker 4: It seems like something. I'm like, I'm excited to see the shows because it is like people that. 00:16:54 Speaker 3: I like seeing perform on land. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: Right, and so I feel, let's see what it may. 00:17:00 Speaker 3: It'll be different. I'm wondering if people will be very hostile to me at sea, or if they'll or if they'll be more receptive than usual. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: Have you spent any time on any type of boat outside of a kayak. 00:17:10 Speaker 3: I've taken the like a faerry, okay, but that's that's. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: About like the Staten Island fairy. 00:17:18 Speaker 3: I took that one time. And then I took the ferry to Martha's Vineyard. 00:17:21 Speaker 2: Oh that's just pleasant. 00:17:23 Speaker 4: It's pretty nice. 00:17:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to I went for like a couple of days when I was a kid, I was maybe six, and we had this I don't know. It was like a very like lower middle class arrangement where my aunt's friend's family had a one bedroom house in Martha's Vineyard and we, like our whole family were allowed to go. 00:17:45 Speaker 4: For three days and it was like very exciting. 00:17:48 Speaker 3: So we're trying to cram everything in. 00:17:49 Speaker 4: We went to this ice cream place and. 00:17:51 Speaker 3: I mistook Uma Thurman was there, of course, and I hugged. 00:17:56 Speaker 4: Her legs because I was a child. 00:17:58 Speaker 3: And then I saw a tall one and I assumed it was my mom and she was very hostile to me. 00:18:05 Speaker 2: What did she do? She went, Uma was so cold? 00:18:11 Speaker 3: She I was really And now every time I see Maya hunk, I think of that. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: Right, how was Maya's childhood? 00:18:17 Speaker 3: I want? I hope she got a warmer reception than I did. She was not happy about it, and my dad thought it was so funny. And my mom to this day can't interact with her work, can't do it. 00:18:32 Speaker 2: I just assumed you were a very enthusiastic fan. 00:18:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's huge with the preschool set. So it really makes. 00:18:41 Speaker 2: I get a warmth from Ethan. Maybe maybe that's where Maya found kind of the loving parent. 00:18:47 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't. I mean, I I would hope that he was. He'd be a warm uh, a warm person. Also, I kind of wonder how much of my memory of that is colored by my mom repeating the same story over and over she was so cold, because I don't I can't. Yeah, I can't tell if that memory is like for sure, I recall her going, oh, but I feel like I remember. 00:19:12 Speaker 2: That, and let's way a far more interesting memory. If there was no reaction, What a shame, what a waste? 00:19:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's yeah, she's a performer. She had to have done something. But I don't know, I don't I don't know. Again, I can only speak to my mom's repeated recollection of the event. 00:19:30 Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of shock surprises, you know, oohs, that sort of thing you were on the podcast a few weeks ago. Yeah, we had an incredible time. As we said, I was excited to have you back. I thought we're going to have another good time. Jamie will show up, we'll chat, the audio will be committed to some sort of disc and then shared with the greater public, and everything will be fine. So it was a little surprised, uh, a little thrown when you showed up with a look, what are we saying? This is the same gift you brought last time it was actually here, and I'm the one that brought it back to the backyard. 00:20:19 Speaker 4: I think the last time I was here was January. 00:20:22 Speaker 3: And now it looks all the more unhinged that I brought it in a little Christmas bag because it's March now. 00:20:30 Speaker 4: But I but I stand by it. 00:20:34 Speaker 2: I mean a little cute bag any time of the year. It's kind of a Nutcracker bag. You've got the rat king with his sword, the ballerina, and then Santa Claus, which is off theme. Santa Claus isn't part of the Nutcracker? 00:20:48 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Do you like the Nutcracker? 00:20:50 Speaker 2: I've seen it once. My sister was in it in fifth grade. 00:20:53 Speaker 4: Oh that's exciting. 00:20:54 Speaker 2: Or let's say it was I in fifth grade. It doesn't matter. No one cares what grade anyone was in at any period of time. We were both children. She was in it and I went and saw it and I remember having a nice time. Are you a fan? 00:21:06 Speaker 3: I love it? 00:21:08 Speaker 2: Very magical it is. Have you seen a big production where they have the giant doll woman or whatever it is and the dolls run out from under her skirt? 00:21:15 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:21:15 Speaker 3: Yes, big time. Yeah, I've seen it in Boston and I've seen it. I saw in Portland, Oregon this year, and they I think that they had like a rotating I can't tell if they Either way, they had like a famous local drag queen playing that part, and it was amazing. I wish I remembered what her name was, but yeah, she she came out all the kids ran out from underneath the skirt. People were losing it. It was it was really exciting. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: The audience is just screaming at the ballot. 00:21:45 Speaker 3: It was like it was a bit of a rowdy crowd. 00:21:49 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the show. I need to see it again. It really puts you in a holiday mood. It does, and we're in a holiday mood again here in March because of this little bit festive. Should I reach in and open it here on the podcast if. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: You wouldn't mind. I mean, I'm sorry for bringing it back a second time, but I but I really I don't know. I would have felt wrong not. 00:22:09 Speaker 2: To, Jamie. I did you a big favor here. I let you back on the podcast. I know, I know, a little annoying. 00:22:16 Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. 00:22:18 Speaker 2: I mean I feel like you're not learning lessons, You're not applying these things back into your own life. 00:22:23 Speaker 3: My main thing is I should have switched the back out, and I think that that would have softened what's happening now. Clear annoyance with me. 00:22:51 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to reach you in. Let's see what the first thing I bring out. 00:22:54 Speaker 3: Let's see here, see if I remember what I brought oh yes. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm having some vague recollections of what this is. It's a little essentially a little monster truck with a but it's it's an extremely confusing object because it's essentially a realistic bearhead on top of four wheels. Yeah right, like. 00:23:16 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, and then like sort of a tank tank situation on the bottom right. 00:23:21 Speaker 2: And it's from Grizzlies Gifts. It is, yeah, four ninety nine. If anyone's interested, Oh. 00:23:26 Speaker 3: God, honestly, I don't. 00:23:28 Speaker 4: I don't would what would you guess that retailed for? 00:23:30 Speaker 2: That feels like a four ninety nine item. 00:23:32 Speaker 3: I felt reasonable. I feel good about it, and if I'm being honest, they give you a discount if you buy six, which I did. 00:23:40 Speaker 4: I was like, what a good gift? What a nice gift? 00:23:42 Speaker 2: Is it like a by five get one free? 00:23:45 Speaker 3: I think it was like a five for what five for twenty something like that, saving a dollar on each. 00:23:52 Speaker 2: Right, that's kind not a bad deal at Grizzlies. If you're in Grizzlies, which. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: Take care of you. It's in Anchorage, Alaska, and it's in the mall. It's nuts in downtown downtown Anchorage. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so it's just kind of like an Alaskan gift shop. Is that what it is? 00:24:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was connected to my hotel, and they treat you right. If you're staying at the historic Anchorage Hotel next door, they treat you really good at Chrissies. 00:24:19 Speaker 2: What were you doing in Alaska? 00:24:21 Speaker 3: I was reporting on a story. I was doing a couple of things. I was working on a podcast that comes out in June. And then while I was there, I was working on a story about American malls, and so I met up with a photographer and interviewed some people at the food court and the Fifth Avenue mall and Anchorage. 00:24:40 Speaker 2: Right, And I've read this article. It's kind of about, you know, mall's dying food courts, this sort of thing, and it feels like a lot of the people you talked to were kind of reluctant. 00:24:53 Speaker 3: Now that it's the pieces out, I feel comfortable share, which I don't think I felt as comfortable sharing last time because I felt bad and I didn't know if the piece was gold turn out coherent. But that was like maybe the least comfortable reporting experience of my entire life. It was so hard and it felt it felt perverted. 00:25:15 Speaker 2: To do kind of the piece you point out, you just felt like a pervert every time you approach teens. 00:25:20 Speaker 4: It was pretty bad. Yeah, and they maybe cut out some parts. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: I originally expanded on it further because it just felt so wrong. 00:25:29 Speaker 4: I'm glad I did it and I like how but oh it was. 00:25:33 Speaker 3: It was a scary because I went to three different cities in three different states, and so for the first two times, you're like, this is. 00:25:39 Speaker 4: So hard, this just feels. 00:25:42 Speaker 3: Wrong, and I have to do it again, you know, like so soon, and it's not going to go better, And. 00:25:48 Speaker 4: It never did. 00:25:49 Speaker 3: And yeah, Anchorage, I would say maybe you. 00:25:52 Speaker 2: Went the best was the most warm reception you got. 00:25:56 Speaker 3: People in Alaska I found. Really they're big talkers. They love they love to be asked questions, and they love to to share. It's yeah, like even like I went to it a more not remote, but like a more suburban area of Alaska and I was taking They don't have uber, so they have this thing where you have to call an Alaska cab and there's only maybe like five Alaska cab drivers. So you're seeing the same people over and over and they'll just open up and without prompting, and it was just like, I mean, I just learned a lot about Alaska and and and their lives. 00:26:35 Speaker 2: Are they just lonely and they need somebody to talk to? 00:26:38 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it might just be like a cultural thing there where I just know, no matter like how similar or different we were, just people in Alaska were generally very, very down to chat. And I found that to be true at the mall, which was great. And I learned a lot about the culture of Alaska at the mall. People a little a little tight in Oregon and in Arizona. 00:27:02 Speaker 2: A little more keeping you at arm's length. 00:27:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think reading my physical. 00:27:08 Speaker 2: Nervousness, oh sure, sure, and not me. 00:27:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the people of Anchorage were a little more willing to They almost like wanted to make me feel better. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: Oh that's my interact. 00:27:19 Speaker 3: And you're like, well, clearly this is you know, the magazine wanted me to talk to teenagers, which you're like, well, this feels wrong because I'm you know, I'm thirty and I'm just approaching teenagers being like, hey, I'm from California, which is like you like learn that in school, you know, to listen to people who say that to you. 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Right, And this is something I want to talk to you about. At the beginning of the article, you talk about like there was like a piece of software you used in middle school or something that like what was this? 00:27:48 Speaker 3: I've tried to buy it online, but I ended up buying like a different computer game that it seems way scarier, so I don't think I'll. 00:27:58 Speaker 2: Be playing it feels illegal. 00:28:00 Speaker 3: It was like, oh, I don't I don't want to know, and I don't have a disk drive so I can't know. But it was this game that I remember when I was in It made me feel so old. But it was like in middle school we took computer class and your computer class would be split into like you play a math game, you'd play like reading comprehension game, and you play this game which is about like internet safety, and so you play as a detective and you find out that there's this kid, Zach. He's from he's from camp. He's like lives in Vancouver. His parents are going through a divorce. He's living with his dad. He and his dad are having trouble connecting. 00:28:39 Speaker 2: Wow, this is I mean, they need to adapt this to television. 00:28:43 Speaker 4: It's a lot of. 00:28:46 Speaker 3: I really hope that I like, you know, I honestly I haven't watched The Last of Us, but yeah, this is I've seen a lot of discourse of like we should be adapting video games into Syrian and I was like this, I could really do something with There's so much story. And then I went back and read it and I was surprised at how much I remembered, but like it was a scary game. I asked my one of my close friends from just growing up, and she was like, oh God, that like poor Zach. 00:29:14 Speaker 2: So Zach's parents are divorced. He lives with his dad. 00:29:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and his dad they're having trouble connecting. 00:29:21 Speaker 3: His dad's working a lot, and so Zach finds himself on the computer a lot, and he starts like a bloggers and he starts posting about like I just want to get out of here and I just want to live in California. And then lo and behold, Zach starts hearing from this guy who runs a sports magazine in California and is they strike up a friendship. And this guy, you know, listens to how Zac's feeling. Unlike Zach's dad, who isn't able to do that. And anyways, Zach is abducted and disappears, and it's like, I mean, I don't even feel comfortable saying some of the things that happened to him. It's shocking. They were like in the game, Yeah, you're playing as a detective trying to rescue Zach. You're watching these videos of Zach's dad crying his eyes out, being like, I just I thought that the computer was good for him. I should have, you know, been better about connected, like his dad's beside himself. Obviously, I vaguely remember. I think you see it like videos of his estranged mother. She's also very upset. And then you get messages from Zach what from the abductor's house because the less of the game is don't talk to people in California. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: He's like sneaking to the phone to call you or. 00:30:37 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and then oh, I want to send you the video because it's like it's just really really poorly acted. But Zach is, you know, trying to I don't even think Skype existed at the time. He's trying to video chat with you, the detective. Okay, and you're a Canadian detective, but you're actually a twelve year old in Massachusetts. You're a detective in Vancouver and Zach's trying. You try to contact Zach, and Zach's like, I'm here, Like the guy from California is taking pictures of Zach. It seems really bad, and he's like, I don't know where I am. I don't know how to get out of here. And then and then the abductor comes into the room. 00:31:20 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not becoming scared. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: I don't mean to. It's just so funny the way that he says it. He's like, you'll never get him back, twirling his mustache, why he doesn't want to come home, you know, like showing his face on his vance. 00:31:40 Speaker 2: This is a horrible criminal. I don't know. 00:31:42 Speaker 3: He's thinking, like I live in Canada, Like I won't be able to to do anything about it, but but yeah, like you have to. 00:31:48 Speaker 4: You just have to eat. Got to save this kid. 00:31:50 Speaker 2: And so do we believe that any of the kidnapper story was he actually in California. He was in California, so he was telling the truth about his location. 00:31:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't southern California, So that's a good point. He was being completely to. 00:32:06 Speaker 2: Be actually in California. If he was lying about the other, he should have been in downtown Vancouver or something. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Oh, what is the movie with Elliott Page and Patrick Wilson, Oh Hard Candy? Right, you would hope that that, but that doesn't really happen. 00:32:25 Speaker 4: I mean, you do end up saving Zach. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: I do save him by which means. 00:32:30 Speaker 3: I don't remember. I know, I would remember if you didn't save him, I don't remember how you get him back, but I have to believe that that you did. And then my teacher of that computer class died in the middle of not like in front of us, like in the middle of the semester school. 00:32:51 Speaker 2: Like, was it like a shock death or was the teacher old? 00:32:55 Speaker 3: Well he seemed old to me, but he couldn't. 00:32:57 Speaker 2: Have been thirty five. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: He was like maybe in his fifties. He's too young to die. 00:33:03 Speaker 2: Wow, I know. And then did they have somebody take over? Yeah, just some new I'm the new computer teacher. Mysterious. 00:33:10 Speaker 3: I think they just had a permanent sub for the rest of it. 00:33:13 Speaker 2: Nobody likes a permanent sub no. 00:33:16 Speaker 3: No, especially following such a tragedy. Like I don't know, Yeah, I just remember that game very very vividly, and I was trying to get a copy of it because I couldn't remember the ending. And there's still like a website up for it. But of course they're not going to give away. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: No, no, what happens to Zach. They don't want to spoil it for them. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: I want to be like, are they gonna die? 00:33:35 Speaker 1: Like? 00:33:37 Speaker 2: What's the game called? 00:33:38 Speaker 4: I thought I was called Missing? 00:33:41 Speaker 3: I'll I'll send you the website because I think that the game I received is called Missing, and that seems to be about two journalists who are taking hosts. It seems like the same format. 00:33:52 Speaker 2: Where are these games coming from? This is a whole different industry from the video game industry. This is like, oh, on, Lisa's showing us something. 00:34:00 Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so I guess it's the same title. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: It was part of the Missing franchise's that's Zack's dad. This is so bizarre. 00:34:11 Speaker 3: He's beside himself. He should have been a better father and this wouldn't have happened, is how he feels. I don't think that's true. 00:34:18 Speaker 2: If he had been reading zax blog, he would have seen this coming. But he's not a dedicated fan. 00:34:23 Speaker 3: I really love I mean what it's like the longest you wouldn't steal a DVD PSA in the whole world. I just like, I have no idea how successful the game was, Like it seems very specific to South Junior High. 00:34:38 Speaker 4: But we had these thirty copies of this game. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: I mean all of those like elementary and middle school computer games that they would have just at the school. Almost felt like like a fungus that just grew in the school. It's like this didn't come from outside of the school. It's just here in computers. 00:34:56 Speaker 3: So you can, Yeah, my mom's a second grade teacher in they have these little laptops where the same It's like a penguin who does math. And I like went in a couple of weeks ago to celebrate this thing my mom does called Minion Monday. And so she's like, you're here, it's a Monday, you're coming in. It's Minion Monday. And so I was, you know, I was like asking, I was like, do you like, what is this penguin's name. They're like, we don't know. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: He's not fun enough to learn. 00:35:23 Speaker 3: He makes them do maths. Why would they why would they care? 00:35:26 Speaker 2: He's a drag, total drag. Yeah, I h the one type of game I do like educational game is a typing game. Oh those are fun, so satisfying. 00:35:37 Speaker 3: What was that one called? There was a podcast about it, Mayve's Beacon. 00:35:40 Speaker 2: Oh I don't, I don't I know what is Mayvaspeacon? That just sounds like an older woman. 00:35:46 Speaker 3: I think that that's anonymically what, but I think she was. I think it was like a fictional woman, Mayva's Beacon, who just loved type. She just wanted you to get your WPM up. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: I mean, it's an incredible fictional name. Or if it's just for a piece of software that it feels like literary. 00:36:06 Speaker 3: It's like I'm trying to remember what her I never I never played it either, but I remember I was like, oh, that's like Carmen san Diego, like top tier computer game lady Man. 00:36:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I can't remember any specific typing games, but I'm always thrilled to be playing one of those. The rest of them are truly just like it's a calculator or something with an animated character. 00:36:26 Speaker 3: That's the penguin situated which Andy and apparently they haven't improved on that formula because these kids are still like, oh my God. 00:36:32 Speaker 5: Right on a Lisa's got I feel like I have to share this with you guys. So it says on the Wikipedia for this Mavis Beacon's so obviously not a real person, but Mavis Beacon's first name was taken from Mayvis Staples, lead vocalist for the Staple Singers. God the surname derives from Beacon as in a light to guide the way. 00:36:52 Speaker 2: That is so bizarre. Who developed that software? 00:36:58 Speaker 3: I really know that someone made a show about it because they were just like, who was this woman? What is her like? People should be getting excited about her the way that like every person in the entire world needs to let you know that the E and Chuckie Cheese dance for entertainment. And it's like enough, I'm around the same. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: Page, and who cares. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: I went to the Chuckie Cheese and Anchorage briefly just. 00:37:23 Speaker 2: To see and how was that experience? 00:37:26 Speaker 3: I was actually I was bummed out because I was I thought that for sure they haven't taken the animatronics out of this one. 00:37:32 Speaker 4: Hm, they were gone, So what is it then? 00:37:34 Speaker 2: What is the novelty? 00:37:36 Speaker 4: It's just an arcade? 00:37:38 Speaker 2: I mean that's so there's no sign of the mouse or anything. 00:37:42 Speaker 3: There is a sign of the mouse. The mouse, the costumed mouse still comes in. 00:37:47 Speaker 4: And chases the children as he always did, but. 00:37:51 Speaker 3: He chases the children, but he's chasing them around kind of a wider space now because the stage is gone. And they had these little videos that they make in Texas with puppets, okay, the original characters. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, they've really cut the budget. 00:38:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, no more ballpit, which is for the best. 00:38:10 Speaker 2: But yeah, the ballpit was never great for anybody. That's a bacteria filled playground. 00:38:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, disgusting. 00:38:16 Speaker 2: Did you eat at the Chuck E Cheese? 00:38:18 Speaker 4: I didn't this time. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: Now, when was the time? Prior to that? 00:38:22 Speaker 3: I was trying to build out the because I was interested in the animatronics because the man who developed the animatronics for Chuck E Cheese is like one of the most like fucked. 00:38:33 Speaker 4: Up people I've ever heard about before. 00:38:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's I mean, he's he's kind of had this tragic life, but his politics are disgusting. But he seems to live kind of in an abandoned animatronics factory in Florida. 00:38:45 Speaker 2: Oh, this is terrible. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Each piece of information you learn about this guy, he's. 00:38:50 Speaker 4: Really going to bum you out, and. 00:38:53 Speaker 3: So I was interested in him, and I was trying to get a look at the animatronics before they were gone, and so I would, you know, I would go, and I sometimes would bring friends because they changed it. They were doing such bad business that they were like, all right, you don't need a kid anymore, which is dangerous. 00:39:08 Speaker 4: That leads to it, you know, Zach situation. 00:39:11 Speaker 3: But you can't drink more than two blue moons and then they cut you off. 00:39:17 Speaker 2: They've got a real hard fast rule. 00:39:19 Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, they don't want any trouble. 00:39:24 Speaker 3: You can't get fucked up or anything. 00:39:26 Speaker 2: Dumpling around thee throwing. 00:39:29 Speaker 4: Up on people can fight Sarah a lot. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: I believe that. I feel like that's probably a tense place for a family to be. 00:39:36 Speaker 3: It feels, yeah, it's like an emotional waterboarding. If you're not into the experience, I could see you getting really you know, be quick to upset. 00:39:45 Speaker 2: I feel there is a nearby Chuck E Cheese. There's one an Eagle Rock. I'm always so curious about that. 00:39:52 Speaker 3: Is and I don't because I know that it's Chuck E Cheese discourses. It's kind of played out at this point, but yeah, about five year yars ago. I was really I spent a lot of time at the Eagle Rock one because I met this I met this man there who, like I went as like a it was like a very click baity assignment and they're like, just hang out at the Chuck E Cheese, you know, se see what's going on there. Lots get to the bottom of it. But I met this guy there who at the time there were still tokens and he was the maintenance guy for every Chuck E Cheese in all of southern California. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:40:26 Speaker 3: And I was like, are you just like exhausted and he was like no, and like I've been with the company for twenty five years. He came over to me and he was much older than me. It wasn't like he wasn't making a pass at me, I don't think, but I was. I was alone, it was the middle of the day and he just like came over and it was like it was just very potent because he just like slammed down a bunch of tokens onto my team and he said, go nuts. 00:40:55 Speaker 4: Oh it's so good. 00:40:56 Speaker 2: I should have married that man. 00:40:58 Speaker 3: I really, I mean, I would have crossed a lot of boundaries to for that to have worken out. But he was he was so nice and he answered all my questions and yeah, he just like did like arcade game and animatronics maintenance because he's like, well, it's a dying art not you know, they're. 00:41:15 Speaker 4: Getting rid of the animatronics. 00:41:17 Speaker 3: Why would you be trained in how to do this? And then he was telling me he used to be the manager of the Chuck E Cheese in Las Vegas, and he said that was a really bad time in his life. 00:41:28 Speaker 2: Why did you tell you why? 00:41:31 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:41:31 Speaker 4: He was just like, you know, it's like a casino and. 00:41:35 Speaker 2: It's was it like their flagship store. 00:41:38 Speaker 3: I don't think it's open anymore and fair enough, but or it's like way outside of town. I don't really know. But at the time he was working there, I believe he said there were two floors. 00:41:48 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 00:41:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, sounded really stressful and it just sounded like a lot. You know, this is like the one thing kids can do in Vegas kind of, and so this is their casino moments and I don't know, it sounds easy. Yeah, So he was he was like maintenance in so cow, it's not a problem in comparison to that experience. Yeah, he's a company man. He was really interesting and no tokens are gone. 00:42:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, they got a. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: Dave and Buster situation. Now it's it's a little tap card. 00:42:19 Speaker 2: I wonder where all the tokens have gone? What are they doing with all? I mean, there were so many you think about all of those tokens. Yeah, in the world. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: Uh huh. I have no idea. 00:42:28 Speaker 2: I must possibly be. 00:42:29 Speaker 3: I don't know, and I wonder. I feel like there are probably some Etsy people that are selling big chunks of them. But with the with the animatronic stuff, it's so proprietary that like you can't because I've I've bought some stuff at auction, Like what, I have a ticket machine in my house. 00:42:50 Speaker 2: Oh my god, is it big. 00:42:51 Speaker 3: I put my Wi Fi router in it and my printer, so he's kind of like a cabinet. I tried to make it or my my export friend, my expert friend, was like not happy that I had bought it, and he was like, we've got to make this functional, and so he did. You know, he made it functional. 00:43:08 Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible. 00:43:10 Speaker 4: It was pretty impressive. 00:43:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that called up cycling? 00:43:13 Speaker 3: It was I still I don't think that he ever got to being thrilled that it was. It was there, But it does, it's untouched, it's got the Yeah, I have my printer, i have my WiFi router. 00:43:25 Speaker 4: I've got kind of a lot of a lot of stuff set up in there. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, some day that will be a family heirloom. There will be some descendant of yours or something that is going to inherit that. 00:43:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it'll be like the kind of situation where it's like someone has. 00:43:39 Speaker 4: To take it. 00:43:40 Speaker 3: It would be rude to get I don't know that anybody really wants. I mean, I only paid thirty. 00:43:45 Speaker 2: Five dollars for Wow, that's a bargain. 00:43:47 Speaker 4: It was really Yeah, it was. I felt I felt very lucky. 00:43:50 Speaker 2: And was it Did you have to go pick it up or was it shipped? 00:43:53 Speaker 3: Yeah? I had to get my friend to drive me to Santa Monica in her pickup truck and we were able. 00:43:59 Speaker 4: To do it that way. 00:44:01 Speaker 3: But anyways, they don't sell any of the animatronic stuff because it's like proprietary technology. 00:44:06 Speaker 4: They don't want anyone else to have it. 00:44:07 Speaker 2: Wow, so you just gonna let it die? I guess, so we'll how selfish? 00:44:11 Speaker 3: I think so too, but it's really just like it's just this guy, this creepy man, this kind of fucked up guy who also invented whack a mole technology. 00:44:22 Speaker 2: Wow. See that's something that really changed the world. 00:44:25 Speaker 3: He's got a legacy, but he got kind of this sounds maybe coarser than I wanted to, but he kind of had the the patent for wacka mole kind of he got swindled by a Carney kind of what. Yeah, someone tricked him out of useless really his whole thing, and he's a bad I feel bad that, I know, because he's such he seems like a pretty bad person. He has this like he has this pattern of like he's very easily convinced. I think it's an ego thing that like he's really good with technological like robotics. Okay, he's always convinced that it's actually the characters that are valuable, not the robotics. So he'll sell off the robotics for nothing, thinking that there's going to be a movie franchise of the Whack a Mole characters. 00:45:17 Speaker 2: Or don't count them out there. 00:45:20 Speaker 3: We have to count him out. I don't. 00:45:23 Speaker 4: He's very mysterious guy. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: I love whack them all. I think that's such a satisfying game, and it's so adaptable. 00:45:30 Speaker 3: The last time I played Wack the Mole, it was like Minions seem. 00:45:33 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course brilliant. Yeah, that's some good crossover right there. And then there's the other game that's the little alligators that come crawling out. Do you know this one? 00:45:41 Speaker 3: Oh what is that called? 00:45:42 Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't remember, but it is. It's essentially Wack a Mole, except for horizontal rather than vertical. Ye're kind of crawling out rather than hopping up. 00:45:52 Speaker 3: I like that one. 00:45:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all so good. Well, let me reach into this bag pull out the next item here. 00:45:59 Speaker 4: Okay, so okay, we're actually not getting this very. 00:46:04 Speaker 2: Embarrassing for Rainforest Cafe key chain. 00:46:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that for you in Tempe, Arizona. 00:46:10 Speaker 2: Now, this is something I did want to talk about. I remember you had kind of like the wettest sandwich of your life there, right, I did. 00:46:17 Speaker 3: I had. I probably remembered what the name of the sandwich was then. I don't know, but it was like it was belt adjacent and it was very tall, and it was it was Yeah, I do remember. I think I told you that all apologetic. The waiters seemed. 00:46:36 Speaker 2: The waiter knew in advance that it was wet. 00:46:39 Speaker 3: No, he didn't say that, but he just you know, I got a cocktail when I went because I wanted because what I got for myself there was, well, I got a couple of things, but I got the souvenir. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: Glass, so you have to get the souvenir goblet. 00:46:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, and because it says Arizona on it, and you're like, well, this is awesome, I should get this. And then I got a few things in the gifts, including that. But yeah, when he came over to take my order, I think he thought I was just going to have a cocktail and seemed surprised that I wanted food, and. 00:47:12 Speaker 4: He was like, I made sure they made it. Like I think he just he seemed very like self conscious about how overpriced the restaurant is. 00:47:19 Speaker 3: But it's like, well, I you know, I came, It's okay, I'm expensing it. 00:47:24 Speaker 2: How much are they charging for a sandwich there? 00:47:26 Speaker 3: I think that this wet belt costs me about nineteen dollars. 00:47:30 Speaker 2: Oh you no expense and expensive sand which. 00:47:33 Speaker 3: Really expensive, costs more than the cocktail with the souvenir glass. What that was fourteen dollars with the glass, It was like it was pretty unbelievable. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, they're just an They do not want you ordering food there. It's a huge inconvenience for the staff, so they are doing everything in their power to keep you from it. But you broke through. 00:47:53 Speaker 3: And they cooked it up nice and wet. 00:47:55 Speaker 2: For me was the bacon wet? 00:47:58 Speaker 3: It was limp it was, but there was some sort of I don't like it could have been mayonnaise. It tasted more like a proprietary sauce, but I don't could have just been there mayonnaise. But it was just like, you know, very thin, untoasted bread. Okay, oh you know yeah, it wasn't even toasted. 00:48:16 Speaker 2: And did you say it was tall? 00:48:18 Speaker 3: Yeah? Kind of club sandwiches. I don't like club sandwiches. 00:48:21 Speaker 2: I like a club sandwich as long as we don't have the extra layer of bread. That's yeah, totally unnecessary. 00:48:28 Speaker 4: Isn't not what makes it a club sandwich? 00:48:30 Speaker 2: Or I've recently come across an excellent club sandwhich at Clark Street Diner. Oh nice, no middle bread, just everything you want in the club sandwich between two pieces of bread like a regular sandwich is a. 00:48:43 Speaker 3: Hearty sand incredible that Yeah, the middle bread, I mean, even in a McDonald's, I've never done the middle. 00:48:51 Speaker 2: The Big Mac has the thing in the. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: Middle dries your mouth out. 00:48:54 Speaker 2: Nobody flaunts that element of the sand more of that part of the sandwich. 00:48:58 Speaker 3: No, And I mean, I guess, to be fair, it appeared in this sandwich. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: Maybe it did. 00:49:02 Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess maybe it did, but it would have been too wet to even really register his bread. Yeah. I don't like tall sandwiches, and I don't like bon me sandwiches. 00:49:13 Speaker 2: But you don't like bond me. It's too sharp, oh, like the crusty roll it makes. 00:49:18 Speaker 4: I have gum disease. So it's a non starter for me. 00:49:22 Speaker 3: I can't do it. 00:49:23 Speaker 2: I understand that. So you can't. You kind of can't eat a bagette. 00:49:27 Speaker 3: I definitely don't eat a baget. So this, I mean, especially in front of company. 00:49:33 Speaker 2: All this talk about the sandwich being too wet, it was actually kind of catered to you. This was exactly the sort of sandwich you need to eat. 00:49:40 Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't cause me any problems with my gums, for sure. I mean I thought it was fine, and then I took the other half back to back to my hotel for later. 00:49:50 Speaker 2: And did you eat it later? I did. It must have been stopping wet. 00:49:53 Speaker 3: At that it was pretty wet. It was shorter it contract but I but I don't know. I was like, I got yeah, I gotta finish my food. 00:50:04 Speaker 2: You know, I made responsible. 00:50:06 Speaker 4: We may eat your magazine pay for this. 00:50:08 Speaker 3: I should finish it. Now. 00:50:10 Speaker 2: Does the Rainforest Cafe do they still have like a show element? Is there like a talking bird or anything? 00:50:16 Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't. I never like, there wasn't one near me when I grew up, so unlike Chuck E Cheese, I can't speak to how reduced, if at all, it is. Okay, there was definitely a looping story. I was sat near the gorillas, which I was thrilled a hat. But yeah, there was some sort of there's a rainstorm at some point. You see the stars on the ceiling. They're kind of going nut. So that's pretty. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: This is gorgeous. 00:50:39 Speaker 3: It was really. I thought it was very peaceful. It wasn't disruptive, okay, but it would loop about every twenty minutes. There's some sort of rainstorm. You get kind of like an ASMR experience. The rainstorm's passing over, and then the animals sing a little song about how beautiful it is to live in the rainforest. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: I mean, every twenty minutes to work on their timing. That is not the length of a meal at a restaurant. 00:51:03 Speaker 3: I don't think they want you to eat there, like they're trying to get. 00:51:07 Speaker 4: You out of there really quickly. 00:51:09 Speaker 3: But it was I went there like the second it opened, and so it was like me too, a group of friends, group of family, you know, who was there? Ironically who isn't pretty clear, but they're trying to like clearly the restaurant hasn't been like at capacity in a long time because they've at different tables just put like large stuffed animals sitting at the tables just to make it appear more full. It's like, yeah, huge panda, you know. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: Oh that's strange. 00:51:39 Speaker 3: I was asking, and then I was interviewing people in the food court later in the day told them that I that I'd been, and they people in who live in this like in Phoenix, Tempe, in that whole area, like apparently it's very notorious where a few guys who had guns with them like it was scary, but they were on their way to see Avatar too, and I was interviewing them and they were like, you know, it's the only reason that Rainforest Cafe is there is because it would be more expensive to remove because it's so specific interesting, And they're like, it's kind of like it just would be more expensive to remove than just like leave there not operating very successfully. What I know, is. 00:52:24 Speaker 2: The outside of it strangely shaped or is it just the what's the outside Like, there's I don't know. 00:52:28 Speaker 3: How hard it would be to remove, but there's definitely like you know, statues and like attached to the building of rainforest animals and so it's it would be really hard to make it into something. 00:52:41 Speaker 2: Right, What other sort of business can you put in there? I mean a spa turned it into a nice little rainforest spa. 00:52:47 Speaker 3: I would love to see someone try to rethme a rainforest cafe to make sense for their business. That all in general, it was I think my favorite because it was just like I got COVID. It was it was like it was kind of an nmare because then I got COVID and I couldn't see anybody on Christmas. But it was just a really funny mall. They had like this story that was called extreme Lifestyle. 00:53:12 Speaker 4: Like it was just such a weird place. 00:53:14 Speaker 2: What did they sell it? Extreme lifestyle? 00:53:17 Speaker 3: It's a lot of like cosplaying swords. Oh interesting, like cardboard cutouts of Marvel characters. 00:53:24 Speaker 2: That is not what it came to mind. I was picturing like a bungee jumping hang gliding. 00:53:30 Speaker 3: I sort of wondered if this was the first iteration of extreme lifestyle or if, oh, the lifestyle had shifted right. 00:53:39 Speaker 2: They bought the store, and we like, we don't want to get a new sign. 00:53:42 Speaker 3: It's extreme enough. 00:53:44 Speaker 2: Everything in every store in this mall cannot be changed. You just have to re move your business in and figure it out. 00:53:51 Speaker 4: You've got to make it work. There's a big carousel in the mill. 00:53:54 Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was a huge mall. It's gigantic. 00:53:57 Speaker 2: What's the name of the mall? That one? 00:53:59 Speaker 4: Oh, Arizona Mills. 00:54:01 Speaker 2: Okay? And you you do love malls? 00:54:03 Speaker 4: I like them all a lot. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:54:04 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite mall in La? 00:54:06 Speaker 3: In La? I mean, this is boring, but I like a you know, Americana galeria experience. I know that it's you know, polarizing to choose one or the other, and I don't. I like them both. 00:54:17 Speaker 2: They both have a little bit of something to offer. 00:54:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you can't get what you need from one, I think it's nice that you can usually get what you need from the other. 00:54:25 Speaker 2: What sort of things are you buying at the mall? 00:54:29 Speaker 4: Well, I'm always stopping at the Dunkin Donuts. 00:54:31 Speaker 2: All right, that's in the galleria. 00:54:34 Speaker 3: From I'm from Boston area, so that's always kind of a treat going to the gallerya getting it, getting some dunk sized coffee. I go to the Target at the gallery. It's kind of boring, sure, but I do. I go. That's where I sometimes, Well, I had an eye appointment there last. Yes, I love Target Opticle. I've been going for many years. I've gotten some promotional pictures for my podcast taken at the J. C. Penny. 00:55:03 Speaker 2: Oh, incredibly. 00:55:04 Speaker 4: I guess I kind of do skew. 00:55:05 Speaker 3: A little more galleria, but I love I love the movie theater at the American. Kind of no beating that. I love a Panda Express and I love that in the galleria there's a secret second Panda Express. 00:55:16 Speaker 2: Oh is that on the second floor towards the third third. 00:55:19 Speaker 4: Floor, the third floor that's hard to find. 00:55:21 Speaker 2: That is that floor shouldn't exist. 00:55:23 Speaker 4: No, it's a mistake. 00:55:24 Speaker 2: It feels like you're getting away with something. When you're on that floor of the mall. 00:55:27 Speaker 3: It feels like I am like dead, Like yeah, like I've accessed something that I shouldn't be able to. Yeah, I don't. 00:55:36 Speaker 4: I mean, it's I loving the mall. 00:55:40 Speaker 3: You know, it chafes with my personal politics, but I just I just love it so much. 00:55:44 Speaker 2: It's so calming, right, it is calming, and it's a place to walk. It's there is something special about it. 00:55:51 Speaker 3: You can really get your steps in there. It's always interesting people there. And the Galleria they're kind of stepping it up over there. They're opening stores that I don't understand what they have. So I'll always go to the secret third floor because there's never a line in the Panda Express. No one knows it's there. 00:56:11 Speaker 4: But nearby there it's like a maternity imaging store. 00:56:14 Speaker 3: Okay, and they have which is you know, I love to celebrate motherhood, so that's great, but they have like a window display that I really don't like. Oh no, of a lot of pictures of fetuses and then like some easter bunnies. I just like it makes me really yeah, I don't know, it's just something about it is very sinister to me. The maternity imaging store, and then it's like an army recruitment center and a Panda Express going on up there. Maybe an escape room then might be the second floor. Oh yeah. 00:56:48 Speaker 2: Then there's like a sock like a weird sock store that I've been in, and the socks are god horrible quality and so expensive. 00:56:56 Speaker 3: The ones that are like sixteen dollars. 00:56:58 Speaker 2: They're so expensive when you pick them up almost dissolve in your hands. That garbage. 00:57:02 Speaker 3: Yeah that no, they whisper like how you know who made them? In the name of the poor employee. 00:57:09 Speaker 4: That died the day they made these awful socks. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: Right, They're truly garbage. I went in there, I was like, Oh, this looks like a place where cheap socks will be sold. Oh no, there as much as a belt at Rainforest Cafe. 00:57:21 Speaker 3: There's one of those on Sunset too, really, or maybe it's a different socking port. 00:57:26 Speaker 4: There's a place called Happy Socks. 00:57:28 Speaker 2: Oh on Sunset that I'm just like, what he needed? 00:57:30 Speaker 3: That store they've been they've outlived so many beloved businesses. I don't understand. 00:57:37 Speaker 2: There's some sort of dark money funneling into the sock stores. 00:57:40 Speaker 4: There's here's a question in your hometown. 00:57:43 Speaker 3: Was there ever, like a place that was later exposed to be like a front for something oh interesting? 00:57:49 Speaker 2: Uh, not that I can think of, but I assume was there one in your hometown? 00:57:54 Speaker 3: There is just I we didn't. I wish that I had gone. There was near my friend's house. This is a diner called Heidi Okay, And it turns out it wasn't. That's kind of the whole. 00:58:06 Speaker 4: Some some kind of drug operation. 00:58:10 Speaker 2: That's such a wholesome name for a front. 00:58:13 Speaker 3: I think that that's why they like they made it so far into the into the con because it was around for like ever. And then I do remember like reading in whenever the story broke like they're they're like it was a drug front the whole time. It didn't you know, transition at any point. I was like, Wow, that place has been there for you know, at least five years. 00:58:31 Speaker 5: Right. 00:58:31 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm trying to think of stores that are just like remaining open in my hometown, but none come to mind. That feels suspicious. There's got to be one. 00:58:39 Speaker 3: I feel like there's two places in la that I would suspect happy socks on some d There's no way they're keeping the doors open with the socks. That's almost definitely a front for something. And then also there's Cafe Jack in k Town, which I just am like, there's no way they don't even make the food there, Like. 00:58:59 Speaker 2: That was like shocked to have you eaten there. 00:59:01 Speaker 3: Yes, my friend and I would go on the anniversary of the Titanic sinking to get. 00:59:08 Speaker 4: A sushi roll and just you know, just honor the lives lost. 00:59:15 Speaker 3: But there was one time we went and I maybe it was like just a day where the kitchen was broken, but I can't figure out where the kitchen is. But there is one day where I swear we ordered sushi off. 00:59:27 Speaker 4: The menu and then a postmate arrived to the restaurant. 00:59:31 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't even know if you can make food here, Like I don't know, and it's never busy, and it looks like a boat and it's you know, all the laser jet pictures of Titanic the movie. 00:59:43 Speaker 4: I mean, I hope it stays open forever, but I'm just like, I don't I. 00:59:47 Speaker 2: Don't know what's going on there so interesting, but I'm. 00:59:50 Speaker 3: Almost certain I saw the sushi roll and then I you know, it wasn't what I had ordered, but it was, you know. 00:59:57 Speaker 2: The restaurant from a postmate rather than a postmate leaving with it. 01:00:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, the postman was coming into the restaurant. 01:00:03 Speaker 2: That's a great idea. I mean, if you're in a if from today, yeah, you get in the back and call postmaates. 01:00:09 Speaker 4: But then you pay delivery every time. 01:00:12 Speaker 2: The overhead not a good business. 01:00:16 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know if they're still open, but I was like something else. There had to be a second, you know, revenue stream going on there. It couldn't have been just the sushi. 01:00:25 Speaker 2: I think we should play a game. 01:00:26 Speaker 4: Let's play a game. 01:00:27 Speaker 2: Let's play gift Master. I need to number between one and ten from you. 01:00:30 Speaker 4: Oh seven, okay, I. 01:00:32 Speaker 2: Have to do some like calculating. Okay, to get our game pieces. You have the mic promote, recommend do whatever you want. 01:00:37 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, So you can pre order. 01:00:41 Speaker 4: My book about hot dogs comes out this spring on May twenty third. 01:00:46 Speaker 3: It's called Raw Dog, and it's about going around the country and trying different hot dogs and learning, you know, good things about hot dogs, bad things about hot dogs. I was checking. I'm not supposed to check the good Reads pay everyone has told me because I'm too sensitive. I can't handle it. But I did check the other day to see what the advanced readers are saying, and one person said, if I hate America so much, then I should just move to Russia. 01:01:13 Speaker 4: So it's proven to be polar. 01:01:15 Speaker 3: I think so far it's a politically divisive text. You should check it out. 01:01:21 Speaker 2: If that's the sort of review that you want to get. 01:01:23 Speaker 3: I was pretty thrilled about it. Yeah, Cheryl did me the favor of a lifetime. 01:01:28 Speaker 2: But how is Cheryl? Oh? Do publishers send out books to good Reads members? 01:01:35 Speaker 3: Yes, I like, I don't quite understand how it works, but like, yeah, I guess that if you're if you use that website regularly, you can receive advanced copies of books as long as you promise to leave your honest opinion of the book. Oh and so, I mean, I honestly, I was more hurt by, you know, a reviewer who just was like, I don't know, you know, like a man, right right right? That's horrible. 01:02:00 Speaker 2: No one wants a math but it really I. 01:02:02 Speaker 3: Mean it Cheryl didn't like it, but she did really think about what I'd said, and I appreciate that. 01:02:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know she read it and it made her feel an emotion. 01:02:13 Speaker 4: It brought something out in her, and what more could I ask? 01:02:16 Speaker 2: I can't believe that Cheryl's getting advanced copies of books. 01:02:19 Speaker 3: That's her, Like, like, you don't have to give any infort, you don't need to say where you are, you know, to see your last name, and your profile picture can be a garden. And that's at least with Cheryl's case. 01:02:31 Speaker 2: They need to have a little bit more stricter policy on that. 01:02:35 Speaker 3: I think that like, and I mean, if if someone leaves me a nice review, I'm like, they should be doing this professionally. I feel the same way about all Apple podcast reviewers, but on. 01:02:46 Speaker 4: Good Reads specifically, I feel like it's because it's like you're a reader. 01:02:50 Speaker 3: If you use it regularly, people are like really coming in hot, like they are like our Dorothy Parker in every They're like, well, well for me, you know, and you're just. 01:03:01 Speaker 2: Like okay, enough. 01:03:04 Speaker 3: Facebook user, Yeah, but then but if you like it, please continue. 01:03:09 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, listener when that book comes out get it, regardless of what Cheryl has to say. Jamie, this is how we play gift Master. I'm gonna name three celebrities. Oh I remember, yes, And I'm going to name three gifts you can give away. You're gonna tell me which gift you'll give which celebrity and why. Yes, these are the celebrities we will be doing today. Number one is Mitski, musician. I love Mitsky. Number two is Zack Snyder. 01:03:37 Speaker 3: Director Last Time. 01:03:43 Speaker 2: Then you need to do something's happening with Zack Snyder. You're going to meet him at some point. Number three is Lisa Gibbons kind of talk show hosts. She was She hosted Entertainment Tonight for a period and then I think try to do the daytime talk circuit. I think, you know, excess Hollywood type personality. 01:04:05 Speaker 3: Big, big personality. 01:04:07 Speaker 2: I always kind of felt like Lisa had it in control. She was kind of she was a little more professional than some of her fellow Entertainment Tonight co hosts. 01:04:17 Speaker 3: Who are you shaving when you say. 01:04:19 Speaker 2: That, Mary Hart, I'm talking to you, Mary Heart. So these are the gifts you'll be giving away. This is a listener suggestion from someone named Kelsey a tupperware of old nail polishes. 01:04:34 Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's. 01:04:36 Speaker 2: An interesting gift. Number two a trip to wine Country. Very nice. Number three spiritual poverty. So that's kind of, you know, kind of a lack of meaning in their life or you know, whatever you want. 01:04:52 Speaker 3: I've never heard that phrase, so. 01:04:56 Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. 01:04:59 Speaker 3: I okay, well with Mitzki, who of the three, I'm most attached to by a long. 01:05:08 Speaker 4: By a huge lead. 01:05:10 Speaker 3: I guess I'm coming from the place of whatever I'm giving to Mitski, I would like her to write an album about. 01:05:17 Speaker 2: Oh sure, that's smart. 01:05:19 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, while I don't want Mitsky to experience spiritual poverty, I sort of want to hear. 01:05:27 Speaker 4: How she would experience spiritual I. 01:05:30 Speaker 3: Think I've heard flavors of it before, and I would be interested in hearing more. 01:05:34 Speaker 4: But I don't think that that I but I can't give that her. It's not fair. 01:05:38 Speaker 2: I think she's an incredible album. If she was your favorite artist goes through a rough time, you're going to get a good album. 01:05:44 Speaker 3: And I feel like there's sort of an emerging argument of like that's not true, but it's like, it's true, basically true. Yeah, people that are in a good mood don't make stuff that's as good as people in a bad boot. 01:05:59 Speaker 4: It's just true. 01:06:04 Speaker 3: But then the two other things, which is so, wait, a tupperware full of old male polish, right, that sounds like a misky lyric. And the other thing is, uh, I think that would be fun, And I it seems like she's going through it a lot, and maybe I would want to give that to her. Zack Snyder, giving him spiritual poverty feels like the easiest thing to do. Sure, sure, but he's been through a lot, like from what I know about him. But it feels mean to give spiritual poverty to Lisa Gibbons because I don't know her. I don't know anything about her, so that seems flippant. My instinct is Lisa Gibbons, and I don't know her vibe. I'm assuming most entertainment tonight reporters want to go to wine country. 01:06:51 Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. 01:06:52 Speaker 3: I would probably give it to her because I think it's something that she would want, right, I would give probably Mitski the tupperware full of old male polish. And if I could add a handwritten letter, I would because that just feels like a misky thing to give a receive, right, right, And I would have to stick Zack Snrider with spiritual poverty. 01:07:12 Speaker 4: But it's nothing personal. It's just that he has so much. 01:07:17 Speaker 3: Of the three, he has the most, and so he has the largest, you know, safety net to fall back on financially. 01:07:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he could probably benefit from a lack in some part of his life. I think so. And again, and maybe already watched a movie spiritual poverty. 01:07:34 Speaker 3: He might be there already, And I wouldn't want to deep in what he's already experiencing. But I'm not going to watch the you know, that's I can't even watch the movies as a as a joke, and so so I just don't really I would have to give that to him. I don't know, Or is that chafing with you at all? 01:07:50 Speaker 2: Is just that, I mean that made sense, It felt thoughtful. Uh, Spiritual poverty for Zack Snyder makes sense to me. Yeah, I mean what do you get from the man who has everything? Spiritual poverty a new experience. It's a new experience. 01:08:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:08:09 Speaker 4: People don't want houses, they want experiences. 01:08:14 Speaker 2: Right, And these two other things Zech we know has been to wine Country. He's tired of wine country, he's sick of it, and he has no use for old nail polish. 01:08:23 Speaker 3: No, And I don't think that he would have the presence of mind to give it to someone. To be honest, I think it would just waste away. 01:08:30 Speaker 2: I did. 01:08:30 Speaker 3: I could see the other one flopping. I would, like, you know, Mitski, maybe she would enjoy wine Country, or maybe she would write a real polemic about it. 01:08:39 Speaker 4: You know, I would be happy with either of those outcomes. 01:08:42 Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, Entertainment Tonight reporters, I think you know would use it, would. 01:08:50 Speaker 2: Use an right right, like last minute, they're about to go on air, they've noticed a crack in the nails. Yeah, I think you played that beautifully. You always last time, in our last episode, I remember you playing up beautifully. I can't remember what you gave Zack Snyder in the last episode. 01:09:06 Speaker 3: Had a much harder time. Is the last time I think we gave someone the key to the city. 01:09:12 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, the key to the city. 01:09:14 Speaker 3: It might have been Viola Davis dass right. 01:09:17 Speaker 2: Because I feel like she seemed like the most responsible and kind of had earned the key. To the city. 01:09:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, she could handle the response. 01:09:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, she could do it. 01:09:24 Speaker 2: And I wonder about Zack Snyder. God, I'm sure of us. Probably probably not great. 01:09:30 Speaker 3: I was perseverating over it. 01:09:31 Speaker 2: Let me, I'm going to just quickly scroll through this and see if I can even find Wait, you might ever hmmm, this is fun for the listener. No, I can't find it. Well, Zach is we know what he has now, Yeah, and that's all that matters. Uh. This is the last segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails. The listeners have all sorts of problems issues in their lives. It's not a point of pride for made that. Most of my listener bases, you know, barely making it. But you do all you can. They write in I said no gifts at gmail dot com. I may have already said that God only knows. Uh. With the questions, yeah, will you help me answer a question? 01:10:14 Speaker 3: Of course? 01:10:14 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get in here and read. Let's see here. Should we read the same one as last time or a new one? 01:10:21 Speaker 3: A new one? 01:10:21 Speaker 2: Okay, let's see here. 01:10:24 Speaker 3: That's so funny. I was about to be like, I just remember the one from last time. I wasn't on their side. Maybe a new one will be. 01:10:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try a new one. This is dearest Bridger and Guest. I hope you can help me in these desperate times. I have two nephews, one five years old and one three years old. It seems like every month there is an occasion that requires a gift. I can already feel the white knuckling time flies, as they say. For the first few years, I tried to channel my full artistic imagination. I made them dollhouses which I hand painted with floor to see murals. I bought them fun clothes and books. I ordered customized wagons and puzzles from Etsy. But no matter what, the beeping trucks and trains gifted by other members of the family always capture my nephew's full attention. They dump my gifts to the side and want only the gifts with four wheels. Here are my questions. Will my nephews hate me if I keep wasting holidays and gifts they don't want? Is there any merit in trying to use my gifts as a not so subtle attempt to diversify their interests? In short, should I be giving trucks and trains along with everyone else. Thank you kindly for all you do. Much love Davy, So Davy, and Davy I believe is an aunt to these young men who I'm just gonna I think I have an answer for one question already. Will my nephews hate me? They already hate me, that's very clear. 01:11:54 Speaker 3: Look, I'm glad you said it. 01:11:57 Speaker 4: And to be honest, I'm not so sure that Davey likes them. 01:12:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like she's just like doing all of this against her will. She's finding no joy in giving them anything. 01:12:09 Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess for Davy, my question for Davy would be like, why do you like to suffer so much? Because it seems like not only are you giving your nephews things they don't want, which I feel like, Okay, I'm a newer aunt, she's three, I should have it better figured it out by now. But I'm trying to like figure out the balance of like just giving the kid what they want, which is like short term good, long term not memorable, right, and then once a year giving the event gift that maybe she won't love now, but as an adult she'll be like, I'm glad that my aunt did this, but even so, it just sounds like she's spending a lot of time working on gifts that she knows they're not gonna like and then getting upset about it. 01:12:52 Speaker 2: Davy loves to be a martyr. She loves for like all the agony I'm going through, everyone look at me, obviously jealous of the rest of the family. She's putting all of her time and energy into these things that she knows are gonna bomb. Yeah, she's asking. I mean, she's just saying, nephews hate me, and uh, she knows what Like the shortcut is here, trucks. Nephews are obsessed with trucks. 01:13:21 Speaker 4: Maybe there's a way to like split the difference. 01:13:23 Speaker 3: And I mean, I was just making fun of people who say that giving experiences are nice, but that's you know, a different but less high effort way to show your nephews something. And it would have to be something that had wheels. And that's just gonna have to be the compromise for Davy. 01:13:40 Speaker 2: Right, And this is now reminding me of we did talk about monster trucks in the last episode. We did Davy should take these nephews to a monster truck racke. 01:13:49 Speaker 3: I think Davy would be surprised at the It's almost like volume Davy, It's gonna be so damn loud. It's kind of like I think, think that we could get to and not to put Davy in a in a box, but that that email was really her voice really came through. And so I feel like, even if that's not the sort of event that she would respect or want to attend, there's a way you can get there. There's a you know, there's a Harper's magazine essay in there. 01:14:19 Speaker 2: And there's a paint. She can paint it later for. 01:14:21 Speaker 3: Herself exactly, yes, thrilled, you know. And and and maybe it has to do with how much she hates her nephews. I don't know. I also would as I think, I think that Davy needs to make some compromise. Not you don't need to, you know, completely roll over and just get trucks. I understand that you want your gift to reflect a little bit of your personality and your relationship, but you got to meet them halfway. I mean, get them something that maybe is artisanal, but is a truck. 01:14:57 Speaker 2: You know, paint the truck right, hmm, paint a picture of a truck or train. 01:15:03 Speaker 3: There's ways there's ways to meet them halfway here, right, and to be honest, you should be meeting them more than halfway. 01:15:11 Speaker 4: It sounds like they're five or six years old. 01:15:13 Speaker 2: These are children they're dealing with, Davy. They have, they do not, They need it their way all the time. They don't compromise. 01:15:20 Speaker 3: I would love to see pictures of a hand painted dollhouse though. I mean, I love a handpainted doll house lovely. But it sounds like Davy and I are probably much closer good age than she and her nephews. And right, if there's a way to meet them halfway, you've got it. You just have to. 01:15:36 Speaker 2: You have to. And she's probably spent thousands on all of these custom items. They're hopefully still in the house and the nephews will grow up and learn to appreciate them. 01:15:46 Speaker 3: Davy, if you were to suddenly, you know, if you got hit by a truck, that would suddenly become a precious family item more so than if you had gotten you know, a big Tanka thing. 01:15:57 Speaker 2: So that's what I mean. That's not a bad plan. Give some thoughtful gifts and then get hit by a truck. 01:16:04 Speaker 3: Uh, legacy planning. But yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, it sounds like your heart is in the right place, but also it begs the question, what's the relationship with the parents? Like which sibling? What do you think your sibling says, run inside when they see Davy all in? 01:16:23 Speaker 2: What you know, my kids hate this shit. 01:16:29 Speaker 3: These kids, you know, they watch Minion's Rise of Grouse six times a day. 01:16:33 Speaker 4: They're not going to be able to appreciate that. And if you need to. 01:16:36 Speaker 3: Call them, you know, little little uncultured, you know, heathens, then maybe that's what you have to do. 01:16:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm fully on the nephew's side here. Davy is a villain in her family's life. 01:16:48 Speaker 3: I hope that Davy has a five year old of her own that is just so chic. 01:16:59 Speaker 2: That's probably happening, you have no I mean, she obviously has an example of another child in her life who care for a custom houses or what have you. 01:17:06 Speaker 3: I bet Davy's fancy kid probably took dictation and wrote the email May Yes at eighty five words per minute. 01:17:18 Speaker 2: I would love to write a thoughtful email at like a hundred words per a minute. What does that look like? 01:17:24 Speaker 3: Drum mean, sit down, she's. 01:17:28 Speaker 2: Burning through a thoughtful one. Oh, well, I feel like we answered. We've solved Davy's problem. 01:17:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's gonna it's more work than she would She would lie, but I mean she loves a complicated task. 01:17:43 Speaker 2: It's right. She loves to waste time and energy, money, She'll there's nothing she won't waste. 01:17:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, this one is just you know, the task self searching. 01:17:57 Speaker 2: Well, Davy, don't write back in you have your answer, Jamie. Yes, we've done two episodes together. 01:18:06 Speaker 3: I had a great time. 01:18:07 Speaker 2: Both times incredible, and one is just our little secret, which is something we can all share and enjoy hopefully. I mean, if this episode gets demolished. 01:18:17 Speaker 4: Electro, we'll never see each other again. 01:18:19 Speaker 2: There's no way I will get hit by a truck. That will be the end of me. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, it was truly a pleasure listener. The episode's over, you know, I hope that you're kind of just furious you didn't get to listen to the other episode. I hope that your blood is boiling and now you go into the rest of the day with this angry, hateful energy, and I want you to do whatever you want with that, and we'll see each other again soon the podcast is over. Goodbye, I Love You said. No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Annalise Neilson, and it's beautifully mixed by Leona Squilatchi. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Coottner. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said no gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 01:19:29 Speaker 1: The I invit? Did you hear? Funna made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to me, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, your presences presents enough and I'm already too much stuff. So how do you dance? Survey me the game with the