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Speaker 2: The first time on the podcast was an incredible, beautiful episode.

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Speaker 2: on recorded audio. It's Jamie Loftus, Jamie, Hi, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: I'm going on my first I'm performing on a cruise.

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Speaker 3: Him on the street. What And then he fell asleep

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Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a it was I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: I guess, right, all right, this is going to be

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, Well, was there anything you liked about?

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Speaker 3: Bad college age seems like a bad time for a cruise. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a beautiful name.

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Speaker 3: It's for for a little girl.

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Speaker 2: If anyone's gonna give birth soon. Drama mean gene drama. Mean, uh,

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Speaker 3: That's really nice.

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Speaker 2: But you should take some with you.

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Speaker 3: I should, yeah, because I because I'm sure they sell

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Speaker 2: Dollars, right, really take advantage.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I think I am. I

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Speaker 4: It seems like something. I'm like, I'm excited to see

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Speaker 3: It'll be different. I'm wondering if people will be very

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Speaker 2: Have you spent any time on any type of boat

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Speaker 3: I've taken the like a faerry, okay, but that's that's.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's just pleasant.

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Speaker 4: We went to this ice cream place and.

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Speaker 2: What did she do? She went, Uma was so cold?

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Speaker 3: She I was really And now every time I see

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Speaker 2: Right, how was Maya's childhood?

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Speaker 3: I want? I hope she got a warmer reception than

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Speaker 2: That, and let's way a far more interesting memory. If

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's yeah, she's a performer. She had to

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Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of shock surprises, you know, oohs, that

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Speaker 2: I was excited to have you back. I thought we're

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Speaker 4: I think the last time I was here was January.

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Speaker 3: And now it looks all the more unhinged that I

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Speaker 4: But I but I stand by it.

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Speaker 2: I mean a little cute bag any time of the year.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a Nutcracker bag. You've got the rat

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Do you like the Nutcracker?

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Speaker 2: I've seen it once. My sister was in it in

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Speaker 2: I remember having a nice time. Are you a fan?

444
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 3: I love it?

445
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: Very magical it is. Have you seen a big production

446
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: where they have the giant doll woman or whatever it

447
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 2: is and the dolls run out from under her skirt?

448
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: Yes, big time. Yeah, I've seen it in Boston and

450
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: I've seen it. I saw in Portland, Oregon this year,

451
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: and they I think that they had like a rotating

452
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: I can't tell if they Either way, they had like

453
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: a famous local drag queen playing that part, and it

454
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 3: was amazing. I wish I remembered what her name was,

455
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, she she came out all the kids ran

456
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 3: out from underneath the skirt. People were losing it. It

457
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 3: was it was really exciting.

458
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 2: The audience is just screaming at the ballot.

459
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 3: It was like it was a bit of a rowdy crowd.

460
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the show. I need to see it again.

461
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 2: It really puts you in a holiday mood. It does,

462
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: and we're in a holiday mood again here in March

463
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 2: because of this little bit festive. Should I reach in

464
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 2: and open it here on the podcast if.

465
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: You wouldn't mind. I mean, I'm sorry for bringing it

466
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: back a second time, but I but I really I

467
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I would have felt wrong not.

468
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: To, Jamie. I did you a big favor here. I

469
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: let you back on the podcast. I know, I know,

470
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 2: a little annoying.

471
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it.

472
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like you're not learning lessons, You're

473
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: not applying these things back into your own life.

474
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: My main thing is I should have switched the back out,

475
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: and I think that that would have softened what's happening now.

476
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: Clear annoyance with me.

477
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to reach you in. Let's see what

478
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: the first thing I bring out.

479
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: Let's see here, see if I remember what I brought

480
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: oh yes.

481
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm having some vague recollections of what this is.

482
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: It's a little essentially a little monster truck with a

483
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: but it's it's an extremely confusing object because it's essentially

484
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: a realistic bearhead on top of four wheels. Yeah right, like.

485
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, and then like sort of a tank

486
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: tank situation on the bottom right.

487
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: And it's from Grizzlies Gifts. It is, yeah, four ninety nine.

488
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: If anyone's interested, Oh.

489
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 3: God, honestly, I don't.

490
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 4: I don't would what would you guess that retailed for?

491
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: That feels like a four ninety nine item.

492
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: I felt reasonable. I feel good about it, and if

493
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: I'm being honest, they give you a discount if you

494
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: buy six, which I did.

495
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: I was like, what a good gift? What a nice gift?

496
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: Is it like a by five get one free?

497
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: I think it was like a five for what five

498
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: for twenty something like that, saving a dollar on each.

499
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: Right, that's kind not a bad deal at Grizzlies. If

500
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: you're in Grizzlies, which.

501
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: Take care of you. It's in Anchorage, Alaska, and it's

502
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: in the mall. It's nuts in downtown downtown Anchorage.

503
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so it's just kind of like an

504
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: Alaskan gift shop. Is that what it is?

505
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was connected to my hotel, and they treat

506
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: you right. If you're staying at the historic Anchorage Hotel

507
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: next door, they treat you really good at Chrissies.

508
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: What were you doing in Alaska?

509
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: I was reporting on a story. I was doing a

510
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: couple of things. I was working on a podcast that

511
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: comes out in June. And then while I was there,

512
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 3: I was working on a story about American malls, and

513
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: so I met up with a photographer and interviewed some

514
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 3: people at the food court and the Fifth Avenue mall

515
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: and Anchorage.

516
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: Right, And I've read this article. It's kind of about,

517
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, mall's dying food courts, this sort of thing,

518
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: and it feels like a lot of the people you

519
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: talked to were kind of reluctant.

520
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: Now that it's the pieces out, I feel comfortable share,

521
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 3: which I don't think I felt as comfortable sharing last

522
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 3: time because I felt bad and I didn't know if

523
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: the piece was gold turn out coherent. But that was

524
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: like maybe the least comfortable reporting experience of my entire life.

525
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: It was so hard and it felt it felt perverted.

526
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: To do kind of the piece you point out, you

527
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: just felt like a pervert every time you approach teens.

528
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: It was pretty bad. Yeah, and they maybe cut out

529
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: some parts.

530
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: I originally expanded on it further because it just felt

531
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: so wrong.

532
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did it and I like how but

533
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: oh it was.

534
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: It was a scary because I went to three different

535
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: cities in three different states, and so for the first

536
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: two times, you're like, this is.

537
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: So hard, this just feels.

538
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: Wrong, and I have to do it again, you know,

539
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: like so soon, and it's not going to go better, And.

540
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: It never did.

541
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: And yeah, Anchorage, I would say maybe you.

542
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: Went the best was the most warm reception you got.

543
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: People in Alaska I found. Really they're big talkers. They

544
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: love they love to be asked questions, and they love

545
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: to to share. It's yeah, like even like I went

546
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: to it a more not remote, but like a more

547
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: suburban area of Alaska and I was taking They don't

548
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: have uber, so they have this thing where you have

549
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: to call an Alaska cab and there's only maybe like

550
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: five Alaska cab drivers. So you're seeing the same people

551
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: over and over and they'll just open up and without prompting,

552
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: and it was just like, I mean, I just learned

553
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot about Alaska and and and their lives.

554
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: Are they just lonely and they need somebody to talk to?

555
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it might just be like

556
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: a cultural thing there where I just know, no matter

557
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: like how similar or different we were, just people in

558
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: Alaska were generally very, very down to chat. And I

559
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: found that to be true at the mall, which was great.

560
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: And I learned a lot about the culture of Alaska

561
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: at the mall. People a little a little tight in

562
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: Oregon and in Arizona.

563
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: A little more keeping you at arm's length.

564
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think reading my physical.

565
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: Nervousness, oh sure, sure, and not me.

566
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the people of Anchorage were a little

567
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: more willing to They almost like wanted to make me

568
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: feel better.

569
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's my interact.

570
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: And you're like, well, clearly this is you know, the

571
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: magazine wanted me to talk to teenagers, which you're like, well,

572
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: this feels wrong because I'm you know, I'm thirty and

573
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm just approaching teenagers being like, hey, I'm from California,

574
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: which is like you like learn that in school, you know,

575
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: to listen to people who say that to you.

576
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: Right, And this is something I want to talk to

577
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: you about. At the beginning of the article, you talk

578
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 2: about like there was like a piece of software you

579
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: used in middle school or something that like what was this?

580
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: I've tried to buy it online, but I ended up

581
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: buying like a different computer game that it seems way scarier,

582
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: so I don't think I'll.

583
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: Be playing it feels illegal.

584
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, I don't I don't want to know,

585
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: and I don't have a disk drive so I can't know.

586
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: But it was this game that I remember when I

587
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: was in It made me feel so old. But it

588
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: was like in middle school we took computer class and

589
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: your computer class would be split into like you play

590
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: a math game, you'd play like reading comprehension game, and

591
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: you play this game which is about like internet safety,

592
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: and so you play as a detective and you find

593
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: out that there's this kid, Zach. He's from he's from camp.

594
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: He's like lives in Vancouver. His parents are going through

595
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: a divorce. He's living with his dad. He and his

596
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: dad are having trouble connecting.

597
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: Wow, this is I mean, they need to adapt this

598
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: to television.

599
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: It's a lot of.

600
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: I really hope that I like, you know, I honestly

601
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: I haven't watched The Last of Us, but yeah, this

602
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: is I've seen a lot of discourse of like we

603
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: should be adapting video games into Syrian and I was

604
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: like this, I could really do something with There's so

605
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: much story. And then I went back and read it

606
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: and I was surprised at how much I remembered, but

607
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: like it was a scary game. I asked my one

608
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: of my close friends from just growing up, and she

609
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: was like, oh God, that like poor Zach.

610
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: So Zach's parents are divorced. He lives with his dad.

611
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and his dad they're having trouble connecting.

612
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: His dad's working a lot, and so Zach finds himself

613
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: on the computer a lot, and he starts like a

614
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: bloggers and he starts posting about like I just want

615
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: to get out of here and I just want to

616
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: live in California. And then lo and behold, Zach starts

617
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: hearing from this guy who runs a sports magazine in

618
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: California and is they strike up a friendship. And this guy,

619
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, listens to how Zac's feeling. Unlike Zach's dad,

620
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: who isn't able to do that. And anyways, Zach is

621
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: abducted and disappears, and it's like, I mean, I don't

622
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: even feel comfortable saying some of the things that happened

623
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: to him. It's shocking. They were like in the game, Yeah,

624
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: you're playing as a detective trying to rescue Zach. You're

625
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: watching these videos of Zach's dad crying his eyes out,

626
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: being like, I just I thought that the computer was

627
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: good for him. I should have, you know, been better

628
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: about connected, like his dad's beside himself. Obviously, I vaguely remember.

629
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: I think you see it like videos of his estranged mother.

630
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: She's also very upset. And then you get messages from

631
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: Zach what from the abductor's house because the less of

632
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: the game is don't talk to people in California.

633
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: He's like sneaking to the phone to call you or.

634
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and then oh, I want to send you

635
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: the video because it's like it's just really really poorly acted.

636
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: But Zach is, you know, trying to I don't even

637
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: think Skype existed at the time. He's trying to video

638
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: chat with you, the detective. Okay, and you're a Canadian detective,

639
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: but you're actually a twelve year old in Massachusetts. You're

640
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: a detective in Vancouver and Zach's trying. You try to

641
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: contact Zach, and Zach's like, I'm here, Like the guy

642
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: from California is taking pictures of Zach. It seems really bad,

643
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: and he's like, I don't know where I am. I

644
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: don't know how to get out of here. And then

645
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: and then the abductor comes into the room.

646
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not becoming scared.

647
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: I don't mean to. It's just so funny the way

648
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: that he says it. He's like, you'll never get him back,

649
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: twirling his mustache, why he doesn't want to come home,

650
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, like showing his face on his vance.

651
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: This is a horrible criminal. I don't know.

652
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: He's thinking, like I live in Canada, Like I won't

653
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: be able to to do anything about it, but but yeah,

654
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: like you have to.

655
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: You just have to eat. Got to save this kid.

656
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: And so do we believe that any of the kidnapper

657
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: story was he actually in California. He was in California,

658
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: so he was telling the truth about his location.

659
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't southern California, So that's a good point.

660
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: He was being completely to.

661
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Be actually in California. If he was lying about the other,

662
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: he should have been in downtown Vancouver or something.

663
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Oh, what is the movie with

664
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: Elliott Page and Patrick Wilson, Oh Hard Candy? Right, you

665
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: would hope that that, but that doesn't really happen.

666
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you do end up saving Zach.

667
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: I do save him by which means.

668
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I know, I would remember if you

669
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: didn't save him, I don't remember how you get him back,

670
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: but I have to believe that that you did. And

671
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: then my teacher of that computer class died in the

672
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: middle of not like in front of us, like in

673
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: the middle of the semester school.

674
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Like, was it like a shock death or was the

675
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: teacher old?

676
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: Well he seemed old to me, but he couldn't.

677
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: Have been thirty five.

678
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: He was like maybe in his fifties. He's too young

679
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: to die.

680
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I know. And then did they have somebody take over? Yeah,

681
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: just some new I'm the new computer teacher. Mysterious.

682
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: I think they just had a permanent sub for the

683
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: rest of it.

684
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 2: Nobody likes a permanent sub no.

685
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: No, especially following such a tragedy. Like I don't know, Yeah,

686
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: I just remember that game very very vividly, and I

687
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: was trying to get a copy of it because I

688
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: couldn't remember the ending. And there's still like a website

689
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: up for it. But of course they're not going to

690
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: give away.

691
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: No, no, what happens to Zach. They don't want to

692
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: spoil it for them.

693
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: I want to be like, are they gonna die?

694
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Like?

695
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: What's the game called?

696
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: I thought I was called Missing?

697
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: I'll I'll send you the website because I think that

698
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: the game I received is called Missing, and that seems

699
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: to be about two journalists who are taking hosts. It

700
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: seems like the same format.

701
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: Where are these games coming from? This is a whole

702
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: different industry from the video game industry. This is like, oh, on,

703
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Lisa's showing us something.

704
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so I guess it's the same title.

705
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: It was part of the Missing franchise's that's Zack's dad.

706
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: This is so bizarre.

707
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: He's beside himself. He should have been a better father

708
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: and this wouldn't have happened, is how he feels. I

709
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: don't think that's true.

710
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: If he had been reading zax blog, he would have

711
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: seen this coming. But he's not a dedicated fan.

712
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: I really love I mean what it's like the longest

713
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: you wouldn't steal a DVD PSA in the whole world.

714
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: I just like, I have no idea how successful the

715
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: game was, Like it seems very specific to South Junior High.

716
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: But we had these thirty copies of this game.

717
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean all of those like elementary and middle school

718
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: computer games that they would have just at the school.

719
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Almost felt like like a fungus that just grew in

720
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: the school. It's like this didn't come from outside of

721
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: the school. It's just here in computers.

722
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: So you can, Yeah, my mom's a second grade teacher

723
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: in they have these little laptops where the same It's

724
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: like a penguin who does math. And I like went

725
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks ago to celebrate this thing

726
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: my mom does called Minion Monday. And so she's like,

727
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: you're here, it's a Monday, you're coming in. It's Minion Monday.

728
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: And so I was, you know, I was like asking,

729
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: I was like, do you like, what is this penguin's name.

730
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't know.

731
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: He's not fun enough to learn.

732
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: He makes them do maths. Why would they why would

733
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: they care?

734
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: He's a drag, total drag. Yeah, I h the one

735
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: type of game I do like educational game is a

736
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: typing game. Oh those are fun, so satisfying.

737
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: What was that one called? There was a podcast about it,

738
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: Mayve's Beacon.

739
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh I don't, I don't I know what is Mayvaspeacon?

740
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: That just sounds like an older woman.

741
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: I think that that's anonymically what, but I think she was.

742
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: I think it was like a fictional woman, Mayva's Beacon,

743
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: who just loved type. She just wanted you to get

744
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: your WPM up.

745
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an incredible fictional name. Or if it's

746
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: just for a piece of software that it feels like literary.

747
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: It's like I'm trying to remember what her I never

748
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: I never played it either, but I remember I was like, oh,

749
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: that's like Carmen san Diego, like top tier computer game

750
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: lady Man.

751
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I can't remember any specific typing games, but

752
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm always thrilled to be playing one of those. The

753
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: rest of them are truly just like it's a calculator

754
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: or something with an animated character.

755
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: That's the penguin situated which Andy and apparently they haven't

756
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: improved on that formula because these kids are still like,

757
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: oh my God.

758
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: Right on a Lisa's got I feel like I have

759
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 5: to share this with you guys. So it says on

760
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: the Wikipedia for this Mavis Beacon's so obviously not a

761
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 5: real person, but Mavis Beacon's first name was taken from

762
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 5: Mayvis Staples, lead vocalist for the Staple Singers. God the

763
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: surname derives from Beacon as in a light to guide

764
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 5: the way.

765
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: That is so bizarre. Who developed that software?

766
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: I really know that someone made a show about it

767
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: because they were just like, who was this woman? What

768
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: is her like? People should be getting excited about her

769
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: the way that like every person in the entire world

770
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: needs to let you know that the E and Chuckie

771
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: Cheese dance for entertainment. And it's like enough, I'm around

772
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: the same.

773
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Page, and who cares.

774
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: I went to the Chuckie Cheese and Anchorage briefly just.

775
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: To see and how was that experience?

776
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: I was actually I was bummed out because I was

777
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: I thought that for sure they haven't taken the animatronics

778
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: out of this one.

779
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: Hm, they were gone, So what is it then?

780
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: What is the novelty?

781
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: It's just an arcade?

782
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean that's so there's no sign of the mouse

783
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: or anything.

784
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: There is a sign of the mouse. The mouse, the

785
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: costumed mouse still comes in.

786
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: And chases the children as he always did, but.

787
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: He chases the children, but he's chasing them around kind

788
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: of a wider space now because the stage is gone.

789
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: And they had these little videos that they make in

790
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: Texas with puppets, okay, the original characters.

791
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, they've really cut the budget.

792
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, no more ballpit, which is for the best.

793
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, the ballpit was never great for anybody. That's

794
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: a bacteria filled playground.

795
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, disgusting.

796
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: Did you eat at the Chuck E Cheese?

797
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 4: I didn't this time.

798
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Now, when was the time? Prior to that?

799
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: I was trying to build out the because I was

800
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: interested in the animatronics because the man who developed the

801
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: animatronics for Chuck E Cheese is like one of the

802
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: most like fucked.

803
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 4: Up people I've ever heard about before.

804
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's I mean, he's he's kind of had

805
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: this tragic life, but his politics are disgusting. But he

806
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: seems to live kind of in an abandoned animatronics factory

807
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: in Florida.

808
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: Oh, this is terrible.

809
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: Each piece of information you learn about this guy, he's.

810
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: Really going to bum you out, and.

811
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: So I was interested in him, and I was trying

812
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: to get a look at the animatronics before they were gone,

813
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: and so I would, you know, I would go, and

814
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: I sometimes would bring friends because they changed it. They

815
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: were doing such bad business that they were like, all right,

816
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: you don't need a kid anymore, which is dangerous.

817
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: That leads to it, you know, Zach situation.

818
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: But you can't drink more than two blue moons and

819
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: then they cut you off.

820
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: They've got a real hard fast rule.

821
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, they don't want any trouble.

822
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: You can't get fucked up or anything.

823
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Dumpling around thee throwing.

824
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 4: Up on people can fight Sarah a lot.

825
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: I believe that. I feel like that's probably a tense

826
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: place for a family to be.

827
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: It feels, yeah, it's like an emotional waterboarding. If you're

828
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: not into the experience, I could see you getting really

829
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, be quick to upset.

830
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: I feel there is a nearby Chuck E Cheese. There's

831
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: one an Eagle Rock. I'm always so curious about that.

832
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 3: Is and I don't because I know that it's Chuck

833
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: E Cheese discourses. It's kind of played out at this point,

834
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: but yeah, about five year yars ago. I was really

835
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time at the Eagle Rock

836
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 3: one because I met this I met this man there who,

837
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: like I went as like a it was like a

838
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: very click baity assignment and they're like, just hang out

839
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: at the Chuck E Cheese, you know, se see what's

840
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 3: going on there. Lots get to the bottom of it.

841
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: But I met this guy there who at the time

842
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: there were still tokens and he was the maintenance guy

843
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 3: for every Chuck E Cheese in all of southern California.

844
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

845
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: And I was like, are you just like exhausted and

846
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: he was like no, and like I've been with the

847
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: company for twenty five years. He came over to me

848
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: and he was much older than me. It wasn't like

849
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: he wasn't making a pass at me, I don't think,

850
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: but I was. I was alone, it was the middle

851
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: of the day and he just like came over and

852
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: it was like it was just very potent because he

853
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: just like slammed down a bunch of tokens onto my

854
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 3: team and he said, go nuts.

855
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: Oh it's so good.

856
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: I should have married that man.

857
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: I really, I mean, I would have crossed a lot

858
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: of boundaries to for that to have worken out. But

859
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: he was he was so nice and he answered all

860
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: my questions and yeah, he just like did like arcade

861
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: game and animatronics maintenance because he's like, well, it's a

862
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: dying art not you know, they're.

863
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: Getting rid of the animatronics.

864
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: Why would you be trained in how to do this?

865
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: And then he was telling me he used to be

866
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: the manager of the Chuck E Cheese in Las Vegas,

867
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: and he said that was a really bad time in

868
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: his life.

869
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: Why did you tell you why?

870
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

871
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: He was just like, you know, it's like a casino and.

872
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: It's was it like their flagship store.

873
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: I don't think it's open anymore and fair enough, but

874
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: or it's like way outside of town. I don't really know.

875
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: But at the time he was working there, I believe

876
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: he said there were two floors.

877
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

878
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounded really stressful and it just sounded like a lot.

879
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, this is like the one thing kids can

880
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: do in Vegas kind of, and so this is their

881
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: casino moments and I don't know, it sounds easy. Yeah,

882
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: So he was he was like maintenance in so cow,

883
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: it's not a problem in comparison to that experience. Yeah,

884
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: he's a company man. He was really interesting and no

885
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: tokens are gone.

886
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got a.

887
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: Dave and Buster situation. Now it's it's a little tap card.

888
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: I wonder where all the tokens have gone? What are

889
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: they doing with all? I mean, there were so many

890
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: you think about all of those tokens. Yeah, in the world.

891
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Uh huh. I have no idea.

892
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: I must possibly be.

893
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I wonder. I feel like there

894
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: are probably some Etsy people that are selling big chunks

895
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: of them. But with the with the animatronic stuff, it's

896
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: so proprietary that like you can't because I've I've bought

897
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: some stuff at auction, Like what, I have a ticket

898
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 3: machine in my house.

899
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, is it big.

900
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: I put my Wi Fi router in it and my printer,

901
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: so he's kind of like a cabinet. I tried to

902
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: make it or my my export friend, my expert friend,

903
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: was like not happy that I had bought it, and

904
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: he was like, we've got to make this functional, and

905
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: so he did. You know, he made it functional.

906
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

907
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: It was pretty impressive.

908
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that called up cycling?

909
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: It was I still I don't think that he ever

910
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: got to being thrilled that it was. It was there,

911
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: But it does, it's untouched, it's got the Yeah, I

912
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: have my printer, i have my WiFi router.

913
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: I've got kind of a lot of a lot of

914
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: stuff set up in there.

915
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, some day that will be a family heirloom.

916
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: There will be some descendant of yours or something that

917
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: is going to inherit that.

918
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it'll be like the kind of situation where

919
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: it's like someone has.

920
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: To take it.

921
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: It would be rude to get I don't know that

922
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: anybody really wants. I mean, I only paid thirty.

923
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Five dollars for Wow, that's a bargain.

924
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 4: It was really Yeah, it was. I felt I felt

925
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: very lucky.

926
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: And was it Did you have to go pick it

927
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: up or was it shipped?

928
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I had to get my friend to drive me

929
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 3: to Santa Monica in her pickup truck and we were able.

930
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: To do it that way.

931
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: But anyways, they don't sell any of the animatronic stuff

932
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: because it's like proprietary technology.

933
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: They don't want anyone else to have it.

934
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Wow, so you just gonna let it die? I guess,

935
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: so we'll how selfish?

936
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: I think so too, but it's really just like it's

937
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: just this guy, this creepy man, this kind of fucked

938
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: up guy who also invented whack a mole technology.

939
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Wow. See that's something that really changed the world.

940
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: He's got a legacy, but he got kind of this

941
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: sounds maybe coarser than I wanted to, but he kind

942
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: of had the the patent for wacka mole kind of

943
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: he got swindled by a Carney kind of what. Yeah,

944
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: someone tricked him out of useless really his whole thing,

945
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: and he's a bad I feel bad that, I know,

946
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: because he's such he seems like a pretty bad person.

947
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: He has this like he has this pattern of like

948
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: he's very easily convinced. I think it's an ego thing

949
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: that like he's really good with technological like robotics. Okay,

950
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: he's always convinced that it's actually the characters that are valuable,

951
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: not the robotics. So he'll sell off the robotics for nothing,

952
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: thinking that there's going to be a movie franchise of

953
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: the Whack a Mole characters.

954
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Or don't count them out there.

955
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: We have to count him out. I don't.

956
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: He's very mysterious guy.

957
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: I love whack them all. I think that's such a

958
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: satisfying game, and it's so adaptable.

959
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: The last time I played Wack the Mole, it was

960
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: like Minions seem.

961
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course brilliant. Yeah, that's some good crossover

962
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: right there. And then there's the other game that's the

963
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: little alligators that come crawling out. Do you know this one?

964
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: Oh what is that called?

965
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't remember, but it is. It's essentially Wack

966
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: a Mole, except for horizontal rather than vertical. Ye're kind

967
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: of crawling out rather than hopping up.

968
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: I like that one.

969
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all so good. Well, let me reach into

970
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: this bag pull out the next item here.

971
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 4: Okay, so okay, we're actually not getting this very.

972
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: Embarrassing for Rainforest Cafe key chain.

973
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that for you in Tempe, Arizona.

974
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Now, this is something I did want to talk about.

975
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: I remember you had kind of like the wettest sandwich

976
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: of your life there, right, I did.

977
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: I had. I probably remembered what the name of the

978
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: sandwich was then. I don't know, but it was like

979
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: it was belt adjacent and it was very tall, and

980
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: it was it was Yeah, I do remember. I think

981
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: I told you that all apologetic. The waiters seemed.

982
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: The waiter knew in advance that it was wet.

983
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: No, he didn't say that, but he just you know,

984
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: I got a cocktail when I went because I wanted

985
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: because what I got for myself there was, well, I

986
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: got a couple of things, but I got the souvenir.

987
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: Glass, so you have to get the souvenir goblet.

988
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and because it says Arizona on it, and you're like, well,

989
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: this is awesome, I should get this. And then I

990
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: got a few things in the gifts, including that. But yeah,

991
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: when he came over to take my order, I think

992
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: he thought I was just going to have a cocktail

993
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: and seemed surprised that I wanted food, and.

994
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 4: He was like, I made sure they made it. Like

995
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 4: I think he just he seemed very like self conscious

996
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 4: about how overpriced the restaurant is.

997
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: But it's like, well, I you know, I came, It's okay,

998
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: I'm expensing it.

999
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: How much are they charging for a sandwich there?

1000
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 3: I think that this wet belt costs me about nineteen dollars.

1001
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh you no expense and expensive sand which.

1002
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: Really expensive, costs more than the cocktail with the souvenir glass.

1003
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: What that was fourteen dollars with the glass, It was

1004
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: like it was pretty unbelievable.

1005
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, they're just an They do not want you

1006
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: ordering food there. It's a huge inconvenience for the staff,

1007
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: so they are doing everything in their power to keep

1008
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: you from it. But you broke through.

1009
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: And they cooked it up nice and wet.

1010
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: For me was the bacon wet?

1011
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 3: It was limp it was, but there was some sort

1012
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: of I don't like it could have been mayonnaise. It

1013
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: tasted more like a proprietary sauce, but I don't could

1014
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: have just been there mayonnaise. But it was just like,

1015
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: you know, very thin, untoasted bread. Okay, oh you know yeah,

1016
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't even toasted.

1017
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: And did you say it was tall?

1018
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Kind of club sandwiches. I don't like club sandwiches.

1019
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: I like a club sandwich as long as we don't

1020
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: have the extra layer of bread. That's yeah, totally unnecessary.

1021
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: Isn't not what makes it a club sandwich?

1022
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Or I've recently come across an excellent club sandwhich at

1023
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Clark Street Diner. Oh nice, no middle bread, just everything

1024
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: you want in the club sandwich between two pieces of

1025
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: bread like a regular sandwich is a.

1026
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: Hearty sand incredible that Yeah, the middle bread, I mean,

1027
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: even in a McDonald's, I've never done the middle.

1028
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: The Big Mac has the thing in the.

1029
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Middle dries your mouth out.

1030
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: Nobody flaunts that element of the sand more of that

1031
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: part of the sandwich.

1032
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: No, And I mean, I guess, to be fair, it

1033
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: appeared in this sandwich.

1034
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: Maybe it did.

1035
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess maybe it did, but it

1036
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: would have been too wet to even really register his bread. Yeah.

1037
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: I don't like tall sandwiches, and I don't like bon

1038
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: me sandwiches.

1039
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: But you don't like bond me. It's too sharp, oh,

1040
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: like the crusty roll it makes.

1041
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: I have gum disease. So it's a non starter for me.

1042
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

1043
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: I understand that. So you can't. You kind of can't

1044
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: eat a bagette.

1045
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: I definitely don't eat a baget. So this, I mean,

1046
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: especially in front of company.

1047
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: All this talk about the sandwich being too wet, it

1048
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: was actually kind of catered to you. This was exactly

1049
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: the sort of sandwich you need to eat.

1050
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't cause me any problems with my gums,

1051
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: for sure. I mean I thought it was fine, and

1052
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: then I took the other half back to back to

1053
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: my hotel for later.

1054
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: And did you eat it later? I did. It must

1055
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 2: have been stopping wet.

1056
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: At that it was pretty wet. It was shorter it

1057
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: contract but I but I don't know. I was like,

1058
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: I got yeah, I gotta finish my food.

1059
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: You know, I made responsible.

1060
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: We may eat your magazine pay for this.

1061
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: I should finish it. Now.

1062
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: Does the Rainforest Cafe do they still have like a

1063
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: show element? Is there like a talking bird or anything?

1064
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't. I never like, there wasn't one near

1065
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 3: me when I grew up, so unlike Chuck E Cheese,

1066
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: I can't speak to how reduced, if at all, it is. Okay,

1067
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: there was definitely a looping story. I was sat near

1068
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 3: the gorillas, which I was thrilled a hat. But yeah,

1069
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: there was some sort of there's a rainstorm at some point.

1070
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: You see the stars on the ceiling. They're kind of

1071
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: going nut. So that's pretty.

1072
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: This is gorgeous.

1073
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: It was really. I thought it was very peaceful. It

1074
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: wasn't disruptive, okay, but it would loop about every twenty minutes.

1075
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: There's some sort of rainstorm. You get kind of like

1076
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: an ASMR experience. The rainstorm's passing over, and then the

1077
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: animals sing a little song about how beautiful it is

1078
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: to live in the rainforest.

1079
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, every twenty minutes to work on their timing.

1080
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: That is not the length of a meal at a restaurant.

1081
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: I don't think they want you to eat there, like

1082
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: they're trying to get.

1083
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: You out of there really quickly.

1084
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 3: But it was I went there like the second it opened,

1085
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: and so it was like me too, a group of friends,

1086
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 3: group of family, you know, who was there? Ironically who

1087
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: isn't pretty clear, but they're trying to like clearly the

1088
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: restaurant hasn't been like at capacity in a long time

1089
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: because they've at different tables just put like large stuffed

1090
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: animals sitting at the tables just to make it appear

1091
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: more full. It's like, yeah, huge panda, you know.

1092
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's strange.

1093
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: I was asking, and then I was interviewing people in

1094
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: the food court later in the day told them that

1095
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: I that I'd been, and they people in who live

1096
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: in this like in Phoenix, Tempe, in that whole area,

1097
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: like apparently it's very notorious where a few guys who

1098
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 3: had guns with them like it was scary, but they

1099
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: were on their way to see Avatar too, and I

1100
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: was interviewing them and they were like, you know, it's

1101
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: the only reason that Rainforest Cafe is there is because

1102
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 3: it would be more expensive to remove because it's so

1103
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: specific interesting, And they're like, it's kind of like it

1104
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: just would be more expensive to remove than just like

1105
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: leave there not operating very successfully. What I know, is.

1106
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: The outside of it strangely shaped or is it just

1107
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: the what's the outside Like, there's I don't know.

1108
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: How hard it would be to remove, but there's definitely

1109
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 3: like you know, statues and like attached to the building

1110
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: of rainforest animals and so it's it would be really

1111
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 3: hard to make it into something.

1112
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 2: Right, What other sort of business can you put in there?

1113
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 2: I mean a spa turned it into a nice little

1114
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: rainforest spa.

1115
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: I would love to see someone try to rethme a

1116
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: rainforest cafe to make sense for their business. That all

1117
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 3: in general, it was I think my favorite because it

1118
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: was just like I got COVID. It was it was

1119
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: like it was kind of an nmare because then I

1120
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: got COVID and I couldn't see anybody on Christmas. But

1121
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: it was just a really funny mall. They had like

1122
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: this story that was called extreme Lifestyle.

1123
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 4: Like it was just such a weird place.

1124
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: What did they sell it? Extreme lifestyle?

1125
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like cosplaying swords. Oh interesting, like

1126
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: cardboard cutouts of Marvel characters.

1127
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: That is not what it came to mind. I was

1128
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: picturing like a bungee jumping hang gliding.

1129
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: I sort of wondered if this was the first iteration

1130
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: of extreme lifestyle or if, oh, the lifestyle had shifted right.

1131
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: They bought the store, and we like, we don't want

1132
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: to get a new sign.

1133
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: It's extreme enough.

1134
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: Everything in every store in this mall cannot be changed.

1135
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: You just have to re move your business in and

1136
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1137
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: You've got to make it work. There's a big carousel

1138
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: in the mill.

1139
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was a huge mall. It's gigantic.

1140
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: What's the name of the mall? That one?

1141
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 4: Oh, Arizona Mills.

1142
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: Okay? And you you do love malls?

1143
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: I like them all a lot.

1144
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1145
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite mall in La?

1146
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: In La? I mean, this is boring, but I like

1147
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: a you know, Americana galeria experience. I know that it's

1148
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: you know, polarizing to choose one or the other, and

1149
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: I don't. I like them both.

1150
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: They both have a little bit of something to offer.

1151
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you can't get what you need from one,

1152
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: I think it's nice that you can usually get what

1153
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 3: you need from the other.

1154
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: What sort of things are you buying at the mall?

1155
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 4: Well, I'm always stopping at the Dunkin Donuts.

1156
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: All right, that's in the galleria.

1157
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: From I'm from Boston area, so that's always kind of

1158
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: a treat going to the gallerya getting it, getting some

1159
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: dunk sized coffee. I go to the Target at the gallery.

1160
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of boring, sure, but I do. I go.

1161
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: That's where I sometimes, Well, I had an eye appointment

1162
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 3: there last. Yes, I love Target Opticle. I've been going

1163
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: for many years. I've gotten some promotional pictures for my

1164
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: podcast taken at the J. C. Penny.

1165
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: Oh, incredibly.

1166
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I guess I kind of do skew.

1167
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: A little more galleria, but I love I love the

1168
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 3: movie theater at the American. Kind of no beating that.

1169
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: I love a Panda Express and I love that in

1170
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: the galleria there's a secret second Panda Express.

1171
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: Oh is that on the second floor towards the third third.

1172
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: Floor, the third floor that's hard to find.

1173
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: That is that floor shouldn't exist.

1174
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 4: No, it's a mistake.

1175
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: It feels like you're getting away with something. When you're

1176
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: on that floor of the mall.

1177
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: It feels like I am like dead, Like yeah, like

1178
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: I've accessed something that I shouldn't be able to. Yeah,

1179
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: I don't.

1180
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: I mean, it's I loving the mall.

1181
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 3: You know, it chafes with my personal politics, but I

1182
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: just I just love it so much.

1183
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: It's so calming, right, it is calming, and it's a

1184
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: place to walk. It's there is something special about it.

1185
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: You can really get your steps in there. It's always

1186
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 3: interesting people there. And the Galleria they're kind of stepping

1187
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: it up over there. They're opening stores that I don't

1188
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: understand what they have. So I'll always go to the

1189
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: secret third floor because there's never a line in the

1190
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: Panda Express. No one knows it's there.

1191
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 4: But nearby there it's like a maternity imaging store.

1192
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 3: Okay, and they have which is you know, I love

1193
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: to celebrate motherhood, so that's great, but they have like

1194
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 3: a window display that I really don't like. Oh no,

1195
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: of a lot of pictures of fetuses and then like

1196
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: some easter bunnies. I just like it makes me really yeah,

1197
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just something about it is very

1198
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: sinister to me. The maternity imaging store, and then it's

1199
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 3: like an army recruitment center and a Panda Express going

1200
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: on up there. Maybe an escape room then might be

1201
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 3: the second floor. Oh yeah.

1202
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: Then there's like a sock like a weird sock store

1203
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: that I've been in, and the socks are god horrible

1204
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: quality and so expensive.

1205
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: The ones that are like sixteen dollars.

1206
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: They're so expensive when you pick them up almost dissolve

1207
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: in your hands. That garbage.

1208
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that no, they whisper like how you know who

1209
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 3: made them? In the name of the poor employee.

1210
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 4: That died the day they made these awful socks.

1211
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: Right, They're truly garbage. I went in there, I was like, Oh,

1212
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: this looks like a place where cheap socks will be sold.

1213
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, there as much as a belt at Rainforest Cafe.

1214
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 3: There's one of those on Sunset too, really, or maybe

1215
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: it's a different socking port.

1216
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 4: There's a place called Happy Socks.

1217
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Oh on Sunset that I'm just like, what he needed?

1218
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: That store they've been they've outlived so many beloved businesses.

1219
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: I don't understand.

1220
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: There's some sort of dark money funneling into the sock stores.

1221
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: There's here's a question in your hometown.

1222
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: Was there ever, like a place that was later exposed

1223
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: to be like a front for something oh interesting?

1224
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: Uh, not that I can think of, but I assume

1225
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: was there one in your hometown?

1226
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: There is just I we didn't. I wish that I

1227
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: had gone. There was near my friend's house. This is

1228
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: a diner called Heidi Okay, And it turns out it wasn't.

1229
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: That's kind of the whole.

1230
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: Some some kind of drug operation.

1231
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: That's such a wholesome name for a front.

1232
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: I think that that's why they like they made it

1233
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: so far into the into the con because it was

1234
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: around for like ever. And then I do remember like

1235
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: reading in whenever the story broke like they're they're like

1236
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: it was a drug front the whole time. It didn't

1237
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, transition at any point. I was like, Wow,

1238
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: that place has been there for you know, at least

1239
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: five years.

1240
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 5: Right.

1241
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm trying to think of stores that are just

1242
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: like remaining open in my hometown, but none come to mind.

1243
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: That feels suspicious. There's got to be one.

1244
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: I feel like there's two places in la that I

1245
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: would suspect happy socks on some d There's no way

1246
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: they're keeping the doors open with the socks. That's almost

1247
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: definitely a front for something. And then also there's Cafe

1248
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: Jack in k Town, which I just am like, there's

1249
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: no way they don't even make the food there, Like.

1250
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: That was like shocked to have you eaten there.

1251
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: Yes, my friend and I would go on the anniversary

1252
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: of the Titanic sinking to get.

1253
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: A sushi roll and just you know, just honor the

1254
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: lives lost.

1255
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: But there was one time we went and I maybe

1256
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: it was like just a day where the kitchen was broken,

1257
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 3: but I can't figure out where the kitchen is. But

1258
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: there is one day where I swear we ordered sushi off.

1259
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: The menu and then a postmate arrived to the restaurant.

1260
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't even know if you can make

1261
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: food here, Like I don't know, and it's never busy,

1262
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: and it looks like a boat and it's you know,

1263
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: all the laser jet pictures of Titanic the movie.

1264
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope it stays open forever, but I'm

1265
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: just like, I don't I.

1266
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: Don't know what's going on there so interesting, but I'm.

1267
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: Almost certain I saw the sushi roll and then I

1268
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't what I had ordered, but it was,

1269
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: you know.

1270
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: The restaurant from a postmate rather than a postmate leaving

1271
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: with it.

1272
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the postman was coming into the restaurant.

1273
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: That's a great idea. I mean, if you're in a

1274
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: if from today, yeah, you get in the back and

1275
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: call postmaates.

1276
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: But then you pay delivery every time.

1277
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: The overhead not a good business.

1278
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know if they're still open,

1279
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: but I was like something else. There had to be

1280
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: a second, you know, revenue stream going on there. It

1281
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: couldn't have been just the sushi.

1282
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: I think we should play a game.

1283
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 4: Let's play a game.

1284
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: Let's play gift Master. I need to number between one

1285
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: and ten from you.

1286
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 4: Oh seven, okay, I.

1287
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: Have to do some like calculating. Okay, to get our

1288
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: game pieces. You have the mic promote, recommend do whatever

1289
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: you want.

1290
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, So you can pre order.

1291
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: My book about hot dogs comes out this spring on

1292
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 4: May twenty third.

1293
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: It's called Raw Dog, and it's about going around the

1294
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: country and trying different hot dogs and learning, you know,

1295
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: good things about hot dogs, bad things about hot dogs.

1296
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: I was checking. I'm not supposed to check the good

1297
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: Reads pay everyone has told me because I'm too sensitive.

1298
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: I can't handle it. But I did check the other

1299
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: day to see what the advanced readers are saying, and

1300
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: one person said, if I hate America so much, then

1301
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: I should just move to Russia.

1302
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 4: So it's proven to be polar.

1303
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: I think so far it's a politically divisive text. You

1304
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: should check it out.

1305
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: If that's the sort of review that you want to get.

1306
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: I was pretty thrilled about it. Yeah, Cheryl did me

1307
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: the favor of a lifetime.

1308
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: But how is Cheryl? Oh? Do publishers send out books

1309
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: to good Reads members?

1310
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: Yes, I like, I don't quite understand how it works,

1311
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, I guess that if you're if you

1312
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: use that website regularly, you can receive advanced copies of

1313
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: books as long as you promise to leave your honest

1314
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: opinion of the book. Oh and so, I mean, I honestly,

1315
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: I was more hurt by, you know, a reviewer who

1316
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: just was like, I don't know, you know, like a man,

1317
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: right right right? That's horrible.

1318
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: No one wants a math but it really I.

1319
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: Mean it Cheryl didn't like it, but she did really

1320
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: think about what I'd said, and I appreciate that.

1321
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know she read it and it made her

1322
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: feel an emotion.

1323
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: It brought something out in her, and what more could

1324
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 4: I ask?

1325
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: I can't believe that Cheryl's getting advanced copies of books.

1326
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 3: That's her, Like, like, you don't have to give any infort,

1327
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: you don't need to say where you are, you know,

1328
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: to see your last name, and your profile picture can

1329
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 3: be a garden. And that's at least with Cheryl's case.

1330
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: They need to have a little bit more stricter policy

1331
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: on that.

1332
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: I think that like, and I mean, if if someone

1333
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: leaves me a nice review, I'm like, they should be

1334
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: doing this professionally. I feel the same way about all

1335
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: Apple podcast reviewers, but on.

1336
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: Good Reads specifically, I feel like it's because it's like

1337
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 4: you're a reader.

1338
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 3: If you use it regularly, people are like really coming

1339
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: in hot, like they are like our Dorothy Parker in

1340
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: every They're like, well, well for me, you know, and

1341
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: you're just.

1342
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: Like okay, enough.

1343
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: Facebook user, Yeah, but then but if you like it,

1344
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 3: please continue.

1345
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, listener when that book comes out get it,

1346
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: regardless of what Cheryl has to say. Jamie, this is

1347
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: how we play gift Master. I'm gonna name three celebrities.

1348
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh I remember, yes, And I'm going to name three

1349
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: gifts you can give away. You're gonna tell me which

1350
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: gift you'll give which celebrity and why. Yes, these are

1351
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: the celebrities we will be doing today. Number one is Mitski, musician.

1352
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: I love Mitsky. Number two is Zack Snyder.

1353
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: Director Last Time.

1354
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: Then you need to do something's happening with Zack Snyder.

1355
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: You're going to meet him at some point. Number three

1356
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: is Lisa Gibbons kind of talk show hosts. She was

1357
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: She hosted Entertainment Tonight for a period and then I

1358
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: think try to do the daytime talk circuit. I think,

1359
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, excess Hollywood type personality.

1360
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 3: Big, big personality.

1361
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: I always kind of felt like Lisa had it in control.

1362
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: She was kind of she was a little more professional

1363
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: than some of her fellow Entertainment Tonight co hosts.

1364
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: Who are you shaving when you say.

1365
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: That, Mary Hart, I'm talking to you, Mary Heart. So

1366
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: these are the gifts you'll be giving away. This is

1367
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: a listener suggestion from someone named Kelsey a tupperware of

1368
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: old nail polishes.

1369
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's.

1370
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: An interesting gift. Number two a trip to wine Country.

1371
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: Very nice. Number three spiritual poverty. So that's kind of,

1372
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a lack of meaning in their

1373
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: life or you know, whatever you want.

1374
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: I've never heard that phrase, so.

1375
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

1376
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 3: I okay, well with Mitzki, who of the three, I'm

1377
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: most attached to by a long.

1378
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 4: By a huge lead.

1379
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 3: I guess I'm coming from the place of whatever I'm

1380
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: giving to Mitski, I would like her to write an

1381
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: album about.

1382
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh sure, that's smart.

1383
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, while I don't want Mitsky

1384
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 3: to experience spiritual poverty, I sort of want to hear.

1385
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: How she would experience spiritual I.

1386
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: Think I've heard flavors of it before, and I would

1387
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: be interested in hearing more.

1388
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: But I don't think that that I but I can't

1389
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 4: give that her. It's not fair.

1390
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: I think she's an incredible album. If she was your

1391
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: favorite artist goes through a rough time, you're going to

1392
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 2: get a good album.

1393
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 3: And I feel like there's sort of an emerging argument

1394
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,479
Speaker 3: of like that's not true, but it's like, it's true,

1395
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: basically true. Yeah, people that are in a good mood

1396
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: don't make stuff that's as good as people in a

1397
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: bad boot.

1398
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 4: It's just true.

1399
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 3: But then the two other things, which is so, wait,

1400
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: a tupperware full of old male polish, right, that sounds

1401
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: like a misky lyric. And the other thing is, uh,

1402
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: I think that would be fun, And I it seems

1403
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 3: like she's going through it a lot, and maybe I

1404
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: would want to give that to her. Zack Snyder, giving

1405
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: him spiritual poverty feels like the easiest thing to do. Sure, sure,

1406
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: but he's been through a lot, like from what I

1407
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: know about him. But it feels mean to give spiritual

1408
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: poverty to Lisa Gibbons because I don't know her. I

1409
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: don't know anything about her, so that seems flippant. My

1410
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: instinct is Lisa Gibbons, and I don't know her vibe.

1411
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 3: I'm assuming most entertainment tonight reporters want to go to

1412
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 3: wine country.

1413
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.

1414
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: I would probably give it to her because I think

1415
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: it's something that she would want, right, I would give

1416
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 3: probably Mitski the tupperware full of old male polish. And

1417
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: if I could add a handwritten letter, I would because

1418
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: that just feels like a misky thing to give a receive, right, right,

1419
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 3: And I would have to stick Zack Snrider with spiritual poverty.

1420
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 4: But it's nothing personal. It's just that he has so much.

1421
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: Of the three, he has the most, and so he

1422
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: has the largest, you know, safety net to fall back

1423
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: on financially.

1424
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he could probably benefit from a lack in

1425
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: some part of his life. I think so. And again,

1426
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: and maybe already watched a movie spiritual poverty.

1427
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: He might be there already, And I wouldn't want to

1428
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 3: deep in what he's already experiencing. But I'm not going

1429
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: to watch the you know, that's I can't even watch

1430
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: the movies as a as a joke, and so so

1431
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: I just don't really I would have to give that

1432
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: to him. I don't know, Or is that chafing with

1433
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 3: you at all?

1434
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: Is just that, I mean that made sense, It felt thoughtful. Uh,

1435
01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 2: Spiritual poverty for Zack Snyder makes sense to me. Yeah,

1436
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: I mean what do you get from the man who

1437
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: has everything? Spiritual poverty a new experience. It's a new experience.

1438
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1439
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 4: People don't want houses, they want experiences.

1440
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: Right, And these two other things Zech we know has

1441
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: been to wine Country. He's tired of wine country, he's

1442
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: sick of it, and he has no use for old

1443
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: nail polish.

1444
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: No, And I don't think that he would have the

1445
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: presence of mind to give it to someone. To be honest,

1446
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 3: I think it would just waste away.

1447
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: I did.

1448
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: I could see the other one flopping. I would, like,

1449
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 3: you know, Mitski, maybe she would enjoy wine Country, or

1450
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 3: maybe she would write a real polemic about it.

1451
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,480
Speaker 4: You know, I would be happy with either of those outcomes.

1452
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, Entertainment Tonight reporters, I

1453
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 3: think you know would use it, would.

1454
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: Use an right right, like last minute, they're about to

1455
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: go on air, they've noticed a crack in the nails. Yeah,

1456
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: I think you played that beautifully. You always last time,

1457
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 2: in our last episode, I remember you playing up beautifully.

1458
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember what you gave Zack Snyder in the

1459
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: last episode.

1460
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: Had a much harder time. Is the last time I

1461
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 3: think we gave someone the key to the city.

1462
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, the key to the city.

1463
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 3: It might have been Viola Davis dass right.

1464
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 2: Because I feel like she seemed like the most responsible

1465
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 2: and kind of had earned the key. To the city.

1466
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could handle the response.

1467
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, she could do it.

1468
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: And I wonder about Zack Snyder. God, I'm sure of us.

1469
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: Probably probably not great.

1470
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: I was perseverating over it.

1471
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: Let me, I'm going to just quickly scroll through this

1472
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: and see if I can even find Wait, you might

1473
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: ever hmmm, this is fun for the listener. No, I

1474
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: can't find it. Well, Zach is we know what he

1475
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: has now, Yeah, and that's all that matters. Uh. This

1476
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: is the last segment of the podcast. It's called I

1477
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: said no emails. The listeners have all sorts of problems

1478
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: issues in their lives. It's not a point of pride

1479
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: for made that. Most of my listener bases, you know,

1480
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: barely making it. But you do all you can. They

1481
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: write in I said no gifts at gmail dot com.

1482
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: I may have already said that God only knows. Uh.

1483
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: With the questions, yeah, will you help me answer a question?

1484
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: Of course?

1485
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get in here and read. Let's see here.

1486
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: Should we read the same one as last time or

1487
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: a new one?

1488
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 3: A new one?

1489
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see here.

1490
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: That's so funny. I was about to be like, I

1491
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 3: just remember the one from last time. I wasn't on

1492
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: their side. Maybe a new one will be.

1493
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try a new one. This is dearest Bridger

1494
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: and Guest. I hope you can help me in these

1495
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: desperate times. I have two nephews, one five years old

1496
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 2: and one three years old. It seems like every month

1497
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: there is an occasion that requires a gift. I can

1498
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: already feel the white knuckling time flies, as they say.

1499
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: For the first few years, I tried to channel my

1500
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: full artistic imagination. I made them dollhouses which I hand

1501
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: painted with floor to see murals. I bought them fun

1502
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: clothes and books. I ordered customized wagons and puzzles from Etsy.

1503
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: But no matter what, the beeping trucks and trains gifted

1504
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: by other members of the family always capture my nephew's

1505
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: full attention. They dump my gifts to the side and

1506
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: want only the gifts with four wheels. Here are my questions.

1507
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,919
Speaker 2: Will my nephews hate me if I keep wasting holidays

1508
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: and gifts they don't want? Is there any merit in

1509
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: trying to use my gifts as a not so subtle

1510
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: attempt to diversify their interests? In short, should I be

1511
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: giving trucks and trains along with everyone else. Thank you

1512
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 2: kindly for all you do. Much love Davy, So Davy,

1513
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: and Davy I believe is an aunt to these young

1514
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: men who I'm just gonna I think I have an

1515
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: answer for one question already. Will my nephews hate me?

1516
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: They already hate me, that's very clear.

1517
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 3: Look, I'm glad you said it.

1518
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 4: And to be honest, I'm not so sure that Davey

1519
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 4: likes them.

1520
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like she's just like doing all of

1521
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: this against her will. She's finding no joy in giving

1522
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: them anything.

1523
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess for Davy, my question for

1524
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: Davy would be like, why do you like to suffer

1525
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: so much? Because it seems like not only are you

1526
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: giving your nephews things they don't want, which I feel like, Okay,

1527
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm a newer aunt, she's three, I should have it

1528
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: better figured it out by now. But I'm trying to

1529
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 3: like figure out the balance of like just giving the

1530
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 3: kid what they want, which is like short term good,

1531
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: long term not memorable, right, and then once a year

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01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: giving the event gift that maybe she won't love now,

1533
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 3: but as an adult she'll be like, I'm glad that

1534
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: my aunt did this, but even so, it just sounds

1535
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 3: like she's spending a lot of time working on gifts

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 3: that she knows they're not gonna like and then getting

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: upset about it.

1538
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 2: Davy loves to be a martyr. She loves for like

1539
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: all the agony I'm going through, everyone look at me,

1540
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: obviously jealous of the rest of the family. She's putting

1541
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: all of her time and energy into these things that

1542
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: she knows are gonna bomb. Yeah, she's asking. I mean,

1543
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: she's just saying, nephews hate me, and uh, she knows

1544
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: what Like the shortcut is here, trucks. Nephews are obsessed

1545
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: with trucks.

1546
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a way to like split the difference.

1547
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 3: And I mean, I was just making fun of people

1548
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: who say that giving experiences are nice, but that's you know,

1549
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 3: a different but less high effort way to show your

1550
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: nephews something. And it would have to be something that

1551
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 3: had wheels. And that's just gonna have to be the

1552
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 3: compromise for Davy.

1553
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: Right, And this is now reminding me of we did

1554
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: talk about monster trucks in the last episode. We did

1555
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: Davy should take these nephews to a monster truck racke.

1556
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 3: I think Davy would be surprised at the It's almost

1557
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: like volume Davy, It's gonna be so damn loud. It's

1558
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: kind of like I think, think that we could get

1559
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 3: to and not to put Davy in a in a box,

1560
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 3: but that that email was really her voice really came through.

1561
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: And so I feel like, even if that's not the

1562
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 3: sort of event that she would respect or want to attend,

1563
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: there's a way you can get there. There's a you know,

1564
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 3: there's a Harper's magazine essay in there.

1565
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: And there's a paint. She can paint it later for.

1566
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: Herself exactly, yes, thrilled, you know. And and and maybe

1567
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: it has to do with how much she hates her nephews.

1568
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. I also would as I think, I

1569
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: think that Davy needs to make some compromise. Not you

1570
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 3: don't need to, you know, completely roll over and just

1571
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: get trucks. I understand that you want your gift to

1572
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 3: reflect a little bit of your personality and your relationship,

1573
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 3: but you got to meet them halfway. I mean, get

1574
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 3: them something that maybe is artisanal, but is a truck.

1575
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 2: You know, paint the truck right, hmm, paint a picture

1576
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 2: of a truck or train.

1577
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: There's ways there's ways to meet them halfway here, right,

1578
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 3: and to be honest, you should be meeting them more

1579
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: than halfway.

1580
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 4: It sounds like they're five or six years old.

1581
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: These are children they're dealing with, Davy. They have, they

1582
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: do not, They need it their way all the time.

1583
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: They don't compromise.

1584
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 3: I would love to see pictures of a hand painted

1585
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: dollhouse though. I mean, I love a handpainted doll house lovely.

1586
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 3: But it sounds like Davy and I are probably much

1587
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: closer good age than she and her nephews. And right,

1588
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 3: if there's a way to meet them halfway, you've got it.

1589
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 3: You just have to.

1590
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: You have to. And she's probably spent thousands on all

1591
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: of these custom items. They're hopefully still in the house

1592
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 2: and the nephews will grow up and learn to appreciate them.

1593
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: Davy, if you were to suddenly, you know, if you

1594
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 3: got hit by a truck, that would suddenly become a

1595
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 3: precious family item more so than if you had gotten

1596
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, a big Tanka thing.

1597
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean. That's not a bad plan.

1598
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: Give some thoughtful gifts and then get hit by a truck.

1599
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 3: Uh, legacy planning. But yeah, I don't I don't know.

1600
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like your heart is in the

1601
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: right place, but also it begs the question, what's the

1602
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: relationship with the parents? Like which sibling? What do you

1603
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 3: think your sibling says, run inside when they see Davy

1604
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 3: all in?

1605
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: What you know, my kids hate this shit.

1606
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: These kids, you know, they watch Minion's Rise of Grouse

1607
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: six times a day.

1608
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 4: They're not going to be able to appreciate that. And

1609
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 4: if you need to.

1610
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 3: Call them, you know, little little uncultured, you know, heathens,

1611
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: then maybe that's what you have to do.

1612
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm fully on the nephew's side here.

1613
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: Davy is a villain in her family's life.

1614
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: I hope that Davy has a five year old of

1615
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: her own that is just so chic.

1616
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: That's probably happening, you have no I mean, she obviously

1617
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: has an example of another child in her life who

1618
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: care for a custom houses or what have you.

1619
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: I bet Davy's fancy kid probably took dictation and wrote

1620
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 3: the email May Yes at eighty five words per minute.

1621
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: I would love to write a thoughtful email at like

1622
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: a hundred words per a minute. What does that look like?

1623
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 3: Drum mean, sit down, she's.

1624
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 2: Burning through a thoughtful one. Oh, well, I feel like

1625
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: we answered. We've solved Davy's problem.

1626
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's gonna it's more work than she would

1627
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 3: She would lie, but I mean she loves a complicated task.

1628
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: It's right. She loves to waste time and energy, money,

1629
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: She'll there's nothing she won't waste.

1630
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one is just you know, the task self searching.

1631
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: Well, Davy, don't write back in you have your answer, Jamie. Yes,

1632
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 2: we've done two episodes together.

1633
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 3: I had a great time.

1634
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: Both times incredible, and one is just our little secret,

1635
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,480
Speaker 2: which is something we can all share and enjoy hopefully.

1636
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if this episode gets demolished.

1637
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: Electro, we'll never see each other again.

1638
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: There's no way I will get hit by a truck.

1639
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 2: That will be the end of me. Thank you so

1640
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 2: much for being here. Oh, it was truly a pleasure listener.

1641
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: The episode's over, you know, I hope that you're kind

1642
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: of just furious you didn't get to listen to the

1643
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: other episode. I hope that your blood is boiling and

1644
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: now you go into the rest of the day with

1645
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: this angry, hateful energy, and I want you to do

1646
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 2: whatever you want with that, and we'll see each other

1647
01:18:51,840 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: again soon the podcast is over. Goodbye, I Love You said.

1648
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 2: No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by

1649
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: our dear friend Annalise Neilson, and it's beautifully mixed by

1650
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: Leona Squilatchi. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker,

1651
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: Patrick Coottner. The theme song, of course, could only come

1652
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the show

1653
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: on Instagram. At I said no gifts, I don't want

1654
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see

1655
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't

1656
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: you want to see pictures of the gifts?

1657
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: The I invit? Did you hear? Funna made myself perfectly clear.

1658
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: When you're a guest to me, you gotta come to

1659
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: me empty. And I said, no guests, your presences presents

1660
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: enough and I'm already too much stuff. So how do

1661
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:14,440
Speaker 1: you dance? Survey me the game with the