1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Well, hey, good looking, welcome back to the show. Oh hi, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: they're glad to have you back. Thanks for joining us 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: yet again. Yes, here today on this lovely day. I hope, 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: I hope it's lovely wherever you are. Sticky Georgia summers. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: I just don't like. I don't like sweating. I don't 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: like bugs. I hate who God, I don't like bugs, 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: tolerate bugs. I love a lot of bugs, let's be fair. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: I love like colorful, cool bugs, but I don't like 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: tiny little bugs to get in your eyes. I don't 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: like mosquitoes, gnats, mosquitoes, yellow jackets. You can all go straight, Yeah, 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: just to keep it, you know, great. Yeah, we got 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: to stay in the moment, keep it Roman, you know, 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: or Pluto goes straight to Pluto. Yeah. I wish they would. 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: They would not like it there. Just read that. It's 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: like the fifteenth anniversary of Pluto not being a planet anymore, 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, every and he says, it's when they turned 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: on the large Hadron collider that everything went to ship. 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: We turned into another timeline, but you know what it 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: might have been, and they decided Pluto was not a planet. 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: It works for me, the timeline I live in Pluto 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: is a damn planet? Was that two thousands six? Yeah? 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean maybe why two K screwed it all up? 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we really did shift into a parallel dimension two 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: K where the computers could change from zero zero and 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: all downhill from their computers. That can count. Well, we're 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: glad to have you back for part two of Hadrian 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: and Antonus, one of the most famous and celebrated gay 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Roman stories of all time. So true. Yeah, I think 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: it provided a lot of inspiration and representation and comfort 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: for many gay people through the ages. Yeah. Still still 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: to this day it's celebrated, and we will get into that. 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: When last we left our heroes, Hadrian was bringing Antonist 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: to the Eleusinian mysteries. Uh, this is a ritual and 34 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: one that is was a tightly guarded secret, right. Oh yeah, yeah, 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: So to this day it's hard to tell what they were, 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: but we're going to talk about what they were. We're 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about what it meant and how their 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: relationship developed after that, and what their relationship meant to 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: Rome to the Empire as a whole, how how it 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: impacted people, because it had a lasting impact on many people, 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: The two of them as a couple and as as individuals. 42 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that Antonus is still his name 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: is still one that we know to this day, because, 44 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: as we pointed out in part one, he never tried 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: to have any political influence over Hadrian, so unlike some 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: of our other you know, political matches that we've talked about, 47 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: it's usually the queen or the empress or whatever kind 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: of exceeding her brief you could say, and having a 49 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: lot more influence and power and ideas and stuff going 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, I guess. So I just thought 51 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: this was an interesting departure that he didn't really have 52 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: anything to do with the politics of the day, but 53 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: he's still is so such an important representation of of 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: homosexual love with Hadrian. And plus everything Hadrian is about 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: to do that you only we're going to tell you 56 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: all about, but that just made his their relationship still 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: echo through history so strongly. Yeah, I think that's interesting. Well, um, 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: it's a long story. We got a lot left to 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about these guys, so I say we dive right in. 60 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Let's go, Hey their French, come listen. Well, Elia and 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to there's no matchmaking a romantic 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: tips it's just about ridiculous relationships, a love it might 63 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: be any type of person at all, and abstract consent 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: a concrete wall. But if there's a story where the 65 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: second clinch ridiculous romance, a production of I Heart Radio, 66 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: All right quick, What the hell are the Elusinian Mysteries, 67 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: because it sounds like maybe going to one of those 68 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: like murder Mystery, dinner theater or something like the ship 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: that's funny and you have to figure out who, like 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: it's an among us, but in person. No. The mysteries 71 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: were a set of religious rights for the cult of 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Demeter and Persephone. So the myth is that Persephony was 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: kidnapped by Hades to live in the underworld, and her 74 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: mother Demeter asked the god Zeus to help get her back. 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: Let's go, and Zeus was like reluctant for some reason 76 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: for a while, but he finally agreed Persephone should be 77 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: brought back from Haiti. But by then the god of 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: the underworld had tricked Persephone into eating four or six 79 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: pomegranate seeds, depending on which story, you always bad, right, 80 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: and if you ate anything in the underworld, it meant 81 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: you always had to return to the underworld. Damn, It's like, 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: that's like Denny's. Like, if you eat at Denny's, you're 83 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: going to end up back at a Denny's. Yeah, well 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: we're eating at a Denny's. So so you seeing Denny's, 85 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't escape it. So that meant that 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: Prussephanie had to return to the underworld for four to 87 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: six months out of every year, and Demeter would be 88 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: sad when Persephone was in Hades, accounting for the winter 89 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: months of no harvest. But when Persephone would emerge from 90 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: the underworld, Demeter would be happy again and let flowers 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: and plants grow, marking the first day of spring. Honestly, 92 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that makes more sense to me than all this new 93 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: fangled science and meteorology. We talked about how the oh, 94 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: the whole earth tilts and points further away from the sun, 95 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: and that's why it's okay. Uh, clearly the guy in 96 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: charge is bummed that his girlfriend's gone, so it's winter. Hello. 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: But the religious rites of the Ellucinian mysteries were so 98 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: secret that they were never written down. Some people were 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: even put to death for talking about them publicly, so 100 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: we still don't know to this day exactly what they entailed. God, 101 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: we can't even keep the Spider Man trailer that sea, 102 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: all right, but they kept those Ellucinian mysteries on lock 103 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Take a note, Disney or people who watch Disney. I 104 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: guess Disney's working real hard. Well, they're not enacting harsh 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: enough penalties. Actually had a friend, Nick to Kay, make 106 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: a whole cute, like a funny video about somebody watching 107 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: a pirated copy of like a Marvel movie, and there 108 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: was a Disney swat team he created that like women 109 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: and like bugged in on them, and they even had 110 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: a little like Mickey Punisher kind of logo. It was 111 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: really funny. I was like, this is this is exactly 112 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: this is happening somewhere. I wish because I don't want 113 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: to be spoiled. I know, all right, thank you. Let 114 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: me enjoy the movie in my own fucking time. Yeah, 115 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: in the way that it was meant to be enjoyed. 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, But what what historians think that Allucinian mysteries 117 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: probably involved was a dramatic retelling of the myth of Persephone. 118 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: So you see a little theater and then they showed 119 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: you like some sacred objects and there were stuff like that, 120 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: and some Scholars, including Timothy Leary, suggested that because there's 121 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: many written references to like people having visions, you know, 122 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: and like kind of hallucinations and you know, waking dreams 123 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: or whatever kind of experiences during these rites, that there 124 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: were probably some kind of psychoactive drugs involved, maybe mushrooms. 125 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: See come in here and you're they're like, all right, now, 126 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch dramatic retelling of the myth of Persephone. 127 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Here's a sheet of acid. I've put it on your 128 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: There's some theater that would be improved greatly by a 129 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: sheet of acid. Look, I mean that's well yeah, and 130 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: some theater was meant to be enjoyed that way. I mean, 131 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: that's why we have sir right right exactly, which I 132 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: love in that whatever move was that I love you 133 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: man or something where they go and they're laughing like 134 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: they're at work root now. So anyway, so maybe there 135 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: was some drugs involved, some kind of like tea that 136 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: they would drink or smoke something they would smoke together, 137 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, And once the religious rights were over, 138 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: they'd have drinking, food and dancing for several days. So 139 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: these rights were extremely popular. Cicero and Plato wrote praise 140 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: about them and said that the rights brought initiates to 141 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: a place of pure spiritual enlightenment where they kind of 142 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: like shook off all those humanly down to earth, day 143 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: to day stuff and we're able to attain a greater 144 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: plane of understanding. Blah blah blah. That's another reason why 145 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: they were so Yeah. Basically he and Anton's would drop 146 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: an acid at burning Man for a couple of days. 147 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: That's the Lucinian miss j Yeah, Man, I talked to 148 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: haities Man. I'm telling you, Zeus came right down handed 149 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: me a bolt of lightning. They just started dancing, just 150 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: started dancing with it. Dude, have you eating any pomegranate 151 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: seeds today? Don't trick me mouth. Welcome to Denny's. And 152 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: Hadrian had this epiphany around this time to build a 153 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: pan Hellenian just kind of like a u n of 154 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Greek city states, and it was intended to unify Greece, 155 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: and so he kind of set those plans in motion. 156 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: He's like, figure out who's Greek, because apparently that was 157 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: kind of hard to figure out which city states were 158 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: actually Greek in origin and which we're not nebulous borders yeah, yeah, 159 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: So he's like figure it out, and then he went 160 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: on to Egypt with Antonus and the rest of his entourage. 161 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: I like the idea that he was still tripping with 162 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: this idea, Like I got it, man, We'll just build 163 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: one building where everybody comes in and we just talk 164 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: until it's all p is full. Man, Like we all 165 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: just have peace because we're all in the same place, 166 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: aren't we all just the same thing? Really, God, I 167 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: love you so much. You just your hair we just 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: dout your hair on feels so good. You're so fucking 169 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: hot the way that you've ruled Rome. So Hadrian and 170 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: Antonist everybody get to Egypt his whole tour posse, and 171 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: they restore some tombs and stuff as a way to 172 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: sort of reaffirm Roman hegemony because there'd been some unrest 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: during Trajan's reign in the like egypt territory. And Hadrian 174 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: Antonist also heard about a lion that was messing with 175 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: people in Libya, and they decided they'd go hunt it down. 176 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: And during the lion hunt, Hadrian saved antonuss life, thank you, 177 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: and a lion was killed. But Hadrian doesn't like to brag. 178 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: He's a humble guy, he's not. I'm just I'm just 179 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: doing my thing. I'm just helping people out. I just 180 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: want people to be happy. You know, I don't need 181 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: any big deal made out of this. All he had 182 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: was a bunch of historians right about it. He commissioned 183 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: a poem about it, he cast bronze medallions depicting it, 184 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: and even had a tondo of the event, which is 185 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: a big circular piece of art placed on the Arch 186 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: of Constantinope. Oh you know again, just humble. He's like, 187 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I kill a boa, I build a city, I kill 188 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: a lion. I get a bunch of artworks. Yeah, write 189 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: me an epic poem about this lion I killed and 190 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: the time I saved my lover's life, and make sure 191 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: to put in it that I looked amaze. Yeah. Talk 192 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: about my hair. Yeah, my hair is blowing in the wind, 193 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: muscles flexing and rippling everywhere, sus I want to look 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: like I'm covered in oil. And then in September or 195 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: October of the year one thirty, Hadrian Antonus and his 196 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: all entourage embarked on a flotilla down the Nile River, 197 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: where antonis tragically drowned. You know this is a bit 198 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: of a mystery for the ages, because no one's quite 199 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: sure what happened to Antonus. Hadrian said it's a tragic accident. 200 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: He fell overboard, but some historians have said that Hadrian's 201 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: interest in all things Greek stretched to certain types of magic, 202 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: which included this idea that if a younger person sacrifices 203 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: themselves for you, your life will be prolonged. So wait, 204 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm younger than you, right by about what six months? 205 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: So I'm just saying you don't get any ideas. I 206 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: know your interest in Greek magic, and I just wanted 207 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: to say it's it only goes so far. I could 208 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: really prolong my life by a couple of months. Yes, 209 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: six get an extra six months. You can get a 210 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: lot done in six months. I mean, unless you're me, 211 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: I'd be like cool, six months to rewatch ted lasso. 212 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: One can get a lot done in six months, I 213 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: depends tends. Yeah. Uh So Anyway, Hadrian had been dealing 214 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: with this unexplained chronic illness for a couple of years now, 215 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: so maybe he thought that Antonus's death would cure him, 216 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: or maybe Antonist believed it and killed himself voluntarily as 217 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: like a sacrifice or Hadrian? Uh so kind of, They're like, 218 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: if Antonist did it on purpose or if Hadrian had 219 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: it done you know, that's up for debate, just as 220 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: many scholars thinks it's not likely at all that that 221 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: Hadrian would have had Antonus kill himself for this magical reason, 222 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: because Hadrian was very much against human sacrifice. He had 223 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: strengthened laws against it in the Roman Empire. So they 224 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: were like, that doesn't really make any sense. Yeah, well, 225 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: how many times if leaders strengthened laws against something that 226 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:10,479 Speaker 1: they themselves very true? A very good points. So who knows. 227 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: No one really knows what happened to Antony's It's possible 228 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that he really, legit just fell into the river and died. 229 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Whatever the reason, Adrian was broken up over it, naturally understandably. 230 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: According to the Historia Augusta, he quote wept like a 231 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: woman over his dead lover. Boris. Come on, guys, oh 232 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: you cried over the person you loved for for so long? 233 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: What a girl? Fella? Is is it gay to be 234 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: sad when someone dies, fellas? Is it gay to be 235 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: sad when your gay lover dies? Fella? Is is it 236 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: gay to mourn your gay lover fella, is it gay 237 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: to be gay? Oh? Well, he was very sad. In fact, 238 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: he named a star in the sky for anton Us. 239 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I posed as stars elsewhere, sorry, as opposed to the 240 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: star in the in the Hollywood boulevard. He put a 241 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: star on the sidewalk. He put a little thing on 242 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: the arch of Constantinople. He named a star for Antoni's 243 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: as well as a rosy lotus that grew on the 244 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: banks of the Nile. So it's likely that Hadrian was 245 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: very sad about Antonis understandably. I mean, it makes sense 246 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: they'd spent so much time together bonding. They're very close, 247 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: but there was some shady ship that kind of made 248 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: people wonder and gossip all throughout the empire about what 249 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: really happened. Right, So, first of all, Anthony's is depicted 250 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: as being around twenty years old at this time, and 251 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: so he's growing into being more of a man. He's 252 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: getting bigger and more muscular and harrier. Some people speculate 253 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: that their relationship was changing because of this, like maybe uh, 254 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: Antonus isn't Hadrian's type anymore, or maybe he had another 255 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: boy he was looking at or something, or maybe Antonus 256 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: was growing up and kind of taking a little more 257 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: uh autonomy in the relationship and sort of resisting him 258 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: now that he was kind of old enough and strong 259 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: enough to do so. But I don't know. That feels 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: kind of weird to me to say, like, oh, well, 261 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: we've spent all this time together, We've bonded so much, 262 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: we love doing all the same things. I've taken you 263 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: on all my travels. Like they seemed to really be 264 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: in love. They're totally open about their romance and now 265 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, but your body changed so by I'm 266 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna kill you now. Yeah. I don't see it, especially 267 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: because they're like when Antonus was a young pre teen boy, 268 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Hadrian was not interested. He was interested when he was 269 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: like sixteen, seventeen years old. Yeah, and he found that 270 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: he was smart and cool and right, and they had more. Yeah, 271 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't just about like his body. He was like, no, 272 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm not just hot for your body. I like your brain. 273 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: We have similar interests. So it just seems like a 274 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: really dismissive of that clear connection to say, oh, well, 275 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: he got to be more manly and he liked boys, 276 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: so he wanted a boy and not a man, And 277 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: it kind of out of nowhere brings in this assumption 278 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: that Antonus needed to resist him was being raped, that yeah, 279 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: that he didn't like that, you know, which it is 280 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: definitely possible, but didn't seem to have been the story 281 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: at all. That kind of doesn't come up until this. No, 282 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: And it is hard to say because there's nothing about 283 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: Antonis himself, you know, like he didn't write anything down, 284 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: Nobody asked him a question about the relationship, so who knows. 285 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: You know, it might just be like, let's give him 286 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: the benefits of some agency and say, maybe he's an 287 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: emperor and he wasn't able to say no, and now 288 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: he's kind of able to say no. But again, I 289 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: think that really takes away from a lot of what's 290 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: what we already know about them, which is that they 291 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: have a lot of shared interests and enjoyed talking and 292 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: spending time together. Also, why kill him? Well, and you know, 293 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: if you don't want to have sex anymore, that's fine, 294 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: that's something. But you're talking about a smart, strong, handsome man. 295 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to elevate that person in politics or 296 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: the military or something that you wouldn't just be like 297 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and time for you to die and I hate to 298 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: stop us there, but we have got to go to 299 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: a commercial, so don't go away. Welcome back to the show. 300 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: So the next thing that the Romans were all in 301 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: speculation station about was that immediately after Anthony's death, Hadrian 302 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: bypassed the Roman Senate and deified Antonis and he encouraged 303 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Egyptians to worship him as the Osiris incarnate. And this 304 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: is because the story of Osiris is that he drowned 305 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: in the Nile River and then he was resurrected. So 306 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: it was a long held belief in Egypt that anyone 307 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: who drowned in the Nile would undergo the same journey. 308 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: So that kind of made people think, like, well, is 309 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: this was this part of the plan, just to get 310 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: him deified, to sort of bring this sort of godlike 311 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: connection to his own reign. I guess yeah. They're like, 312 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: what a coincidence he died in the Nile on the 313 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: day of Osiris's resurrection during Osyrius festival, you know, like 314 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: it after the fact seemed like a big coincidence. Yeah. Um, 315 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: so there's like conspiracy theories about this kind of floating around. 316 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it happening on the same exact day was something, 317 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: but it also makes sense that they would be in 318 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: that area festival around this time, and because it happened 319 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: on that day, the Egyptian priests were the ones who 320 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: told Hadrian, hey, you should deify him. He's going to 321 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: undergo the same journey as O Cirius and become O 322 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: Cyrus incarnate, so you may as well go for it. 323 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's so much Hadrian going 324 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: let me drown this kid in the Nile and make 325 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: him a god more than oh, this kid drowned in 326 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: the Nile, and I can make him a god. Make 327 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: it politically makes sense for me, you know, it's sort 328 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: of turning a tragic circumstance to your benefit rather than 329 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: creating a tragic circumstance benefit, which I think we forget 330 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: a lot, I feel like a lot of times modern day, 331 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: and also looking back, we like to ascribe a lot 332 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: of intent unto people when most of the time people 333 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: are reacting blindly to ship that happens and they're going, oh, well, 334 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: this happened, how can I make it work for me? 335 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: And it's it's more likely right, And it's so easy 336 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: to look back at that and and find these coincidences 337 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: and call them intentional because there's coincidence in everything, right, 338 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes people lay a plan. I'm not sure it's 339 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: never true, but it's just funny that I don't know. 340 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of times we really try 341 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: to find some plan where there was any plan. Somebody 342 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: just went, oh, I know what to do, so this 343 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: will make it good for me. I'll do it like this, 344 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: or I'll say it like this, or I'll spin it 345 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: this way. It's kind of like how everything happens for 346 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: a reason is so provable because of causality. Like everything 347 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: that happens happens because something happened before it to end 348 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: up that way. So in retrospect you can say, well 349 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: A happened so that B would happen, when in fact, 350 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: BE happened because it happened, and but it might have 351 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: been C, it might have been D. You know, it's 352 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: hard to say when things happening to cause another thing. 353 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: When it's easy to look at that backwards, it's easy 354 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: to draw that conclusion after the fact anyway. Yeah. Hadrian 355 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: also declared that a city should be built on the 356 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: spot of Antonus's death, which he named Antinopolis. He's really 357 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: gotta somebody's got to tell him about plaques. I know, right, 358 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: It's like build a city, like, just put a just 359 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: mark the location, put a little line up. You don't 360 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: have to build a whole damn city for it. I don't. 361 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: I guess they were thirsty for cities back then. Yeah, 362 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: probably they were just like sure, looks great. But since 363 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: ancient Greece, actually it was pretty common for tomb building 364 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: and town settling to go hand in hand, because I 365 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: guess it, you build a tomb for somebody famous, you 366 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: you got an instant tourist attraction. People come leave gifts 367 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: and ship, so then you can have a market. So 368 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: then you can on and on and on and so 369 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: you become a capital. So it starts with a gift shop. 370 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Whole cities start with a gift shop. Everything starts with 371 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: a gift shop. Buy. You buy your trinkets to leave 372 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: at the grave of Antonis, enter and exit through the gifts. Yeah, 373 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: get them right here. And then somebody's like, man, I 374 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: am buying trinkets for Antona's every day. I should just 375 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: set up a house, I know, right, Let me just 376 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: hang out here and like, oh, you're moving over to 377 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: buy that gift shop. You know what, I've been looking 378 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: for a new spot. Maybe I'll move next door to you. 379 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: It's like, oh god, this is not how I wanted. 380 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: All right, fine, yeah, and then before you know it, 381 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: it's a whole city. You've seen the traffic these days 382 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: with three cards going to the market. That took me 383 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: an extra five minutes. Had uh, Well yeah, the gift shop, 384 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was nice for a while, but it 385 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: just turned into a star Buckets Starbucks Starbucks cous sounds 386 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: like a disease Starbuckus brewer us. But establishing this town 387 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: did a great deal for Hadrian's political positions. So this 388 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: was another element to the conspiracy theory as well, was 389 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: that they were like, oh, he wanted to build this 390 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: town because it let him have a newport in the Nile. 391 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: It was a way to solidify Roman authority in the 392 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Egyptian provinces. So just a lot of a lot of 393 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: convenient ship for Hadrian's political goals. Yeah. I feel like 394 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: there's any number of people he could have killed to 395 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: get a town started his own, or he could have 396 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: just built a town. Yeah, he stopping him. He probably 397 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: could have built a town there a only it was 398 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: it had already been a town like many it was 399 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: like in Ruins, but there was already a port there, 400 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: so when they built the town it was it went 401 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: up very quickly because they already had a lot of 402 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: the infrastructure. So I'm like it might have been the 403 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: plan to put a town there anyway, and he just 404 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: happened to name it for Antonist because of this tragedy, 405 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: but otherwise he would have named it like Hadrianapolis or something. 406 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: And establishing Antonus as a god was helpful to his 407 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Hellenic policies as well. Antonus was Greek, so he's a 408 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: part Greek, part Egyptian deity who was established by a 409 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: Roman emperor. So he was literally a symbol of pan 410 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Hellenic unity all wrapped up in one guy. And it was. 411 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: It became a great way for cities and provinces to 412 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: get Hadrian's attention or to show their loyalty to him. 413 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: For example, there's a city in North Africa that really 414 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: wanted Hadrian to honor them with a visit, so they 415 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: put up a bunch of images of Antonus real fast 416 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: so that they might catch his attention. He'd like, oh, 417 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: I'll go visit because you clearly are a fan of 418 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: mine and like Antonus, you like me. Like he became 419 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: all wrapped up in Hadrian's own legacy. So this cult 420 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: of Antonist grew and grew, and it became popular even 421 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: after Hadrian's death. Likely it was because Anthony's had been 422 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: a real human person once, like not born of the gods, 423 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: but just like your average Joe, and your average was 424 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: into ancient room. Yeah. Uh so Anthonis was like more 425 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: relatable than other gods. And another reason was that, I mean, 426 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: he was smoking hot. This guy was the like, uh 427 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: George Clooney meets Hugh Jackman meets all the boyish charm 428 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: of Ryan Reynolds. Uh, you know, the go get am 429 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: attitude of Stanley Tucci wrapped up into a perfect man. 430 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: But for real, everybody thought he was so hot and 431 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: God's like Apollo or beautiful young people that God's loved 432 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: like narcissists invited imaginary erotic bonding with his worshipers. Oh 433 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: my goodness, Yeah, I don't. I don't think there was 434 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: anything like written down. Like imagine Antonus is coming into 435 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: your room breakfast in bed or whenever, and there's a 436 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: curtain flutthering over your bed. I don't think it was 437 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: anything like that, But it's just something about humans. You know, 438 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: we prefer something beautiful God. We love a hot God. 439 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: Um kind of made me think of all the Christian 440 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: hymns that talk about like letting Jesus come inside you 441 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, or even I mean, if you think about 442 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: Jesus on the crucifix, they make him look hot, they 443 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: give him muscles. There's not a lot of blood pouring out. 444 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: He don't look beat up like he was beat up 445 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: on the on the way there, um until mel Gibson 446 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: came along. Mel Gibson came along. But you know it, 447 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: you want him to look God like. And if you're 448 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: very beautiful like and insanely handsome or whatever, you look 449 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: God like and that makes people go, God, you know, 450 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: he's above my touch. But how much would I love 451 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: to touch? I guess I guess. Yeah. I think that's 452 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's subliminal, but I think it is. They're like, 453 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: we want that idyllic body shape. You're like, if God 454 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: created a man, why would he not create one that 455 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: is the perfect specimens sublime? Yeah? Yeah, like um, like 456 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: Chris Hemsworth, you know, just like chrisms you with I 457 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: believe you have written a few hymns about letting Chris 458 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Hemsworth come into your room, and let him into your 459 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: let him and may he enter my body. He filled 460 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: me with his spirit with all the force of the 461 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: thunder of the kids. Know I've heard you sing that 462 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: maybe your sleep it was a beautiful dream. But this 463 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: cult of Antonist spread very easily in Egypt, but it 464 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: was a little slower to take off in Greece. So 465 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: Hadrian came in and made sure that Antonist worship became 466 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: integrated with the Greek god Hermes, probably because during the 467 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: Hellenistic Age, Hermes was associated with wisdom and learning, as 468 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: well as being a god who existed between the boundaries 469 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: of the underworld and the upper world, so it kind 470 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: of goes along with the Osiris resurrection story as well. 471 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of little elements that make Antonius and 472 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: Hermes seem like a good matchup, but most Greetians actually 473 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: ended up associating him with Dionysus. Hadrian's best efforts necessarily 474 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: that god you want to be tied to, not necessarily, 475 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: although he was also categorized as a dying and rising 476 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: god who communicates between the living and dead. So he 477 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: also had some things in association. I guess with a 478 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: tenus and everybody loved him. Right, he doesn't want to 479 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: hang out with Dina. Yeah, and is a good side, 480 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: like you might not feel great the next morning, but 481 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: you had a good time. Traces of the Cult of 482 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: Antonus have been found in over seventy cities. Over thirty 483 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: cities created coins with Antonus likeness not meant to be 484 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: used as currency. They were meant to be used as 485 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: like medallion's. Some even had a whole drilled in them 486 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: so you could put a string through it and wear 487 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: it like a talisman. Oh, I see your cult of 488 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: antonis Yes, come on in culti Antonus. No cover tonight 489 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: for culti Antonist members. Bring your medallion, get right in. 490 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: And Hadrian also commissioned at least two thousand statues of Antonus, 491 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: and they all, like I mentioned earlier, they all have 492 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, swollen chest, jawline for days, he's usually looking down. Um. 493 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: So people think that Hadrian released a likeness of Antonus 494 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: for people to copy. Yeah, okay, because he was like, 495 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to look like my man Antonus. I don't 496 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: want it to look like something random. He needs to 497 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: look just like this, and around a hundred and fifteen 498 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: of these statues still exists today. They held games in 499 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: honor of Antony's in nine cities, and they would have 500 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: athletic and artistic components in these games. So I like 501 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: you to throw a shot put, but it's covered in 502 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: paint lands on a canvas. This sounds cool. I would 503 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: play back Olympic game like a javelin into like a 504 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: peg board, you know, and you're trying to create like 505 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: an image out of little points. Blind Designs liked, Yes, 506 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: please do a javelin light bright. Come on, we need 507 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: to make the artistic Olympic Games. That would be really fun. Okay, uh, 508 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: the art Olympics, the art Olympics, Olympic commissioners, I know 509 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: you're listening. Um, relinquish your power and give it to us. 510 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to cooking around with these bikinis and ships. 511 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're you're a You're a mess. Handed over 512 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: to us. We're going to create the art limb picks. 513 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is great. Hey, y'all send us 514 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: a message with your idea for Oartlympic Games. We're gonna 515 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: put together a whole and we're going to tell you 516 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: guys about it in a future episode. I'm already I 517 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: love this javelin light bright, Yes, I will watch that. 518 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, they're playing these games, and rumors spread that 519 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: in Antonopolis there were sacred nights held as part of 520 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: the games, which included, of course, drunken revelries and possibly, 521 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: but I'm going to say probably big sexual orgies. I 522 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: wondered if this rumor happened after he was already associated 523 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: with Diana Dionysus, right, because then people would go, oh, 524 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: of course, because he's associated with Dionysus. Or if either 525 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: way around, they heard these rumors and then associated him 526 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: with Dionysus. Yeah. Of course. When Christianity started to spread 527 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: through Rome, the cult of Antonis fell. Everything pagan was outlawed, 528 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: and by the city of Monopolis fell as well. But 529 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: anthoniss popularity lasted longer than even Hadrians, and evidence shows 530 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: that he was worshiped publicly and privately by many families 531 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: throughout the whole empire. Children were even named for him 532 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: in Egypt, Athens, Macedonia, and Italy. Yeah. So hot figure. Yeah, 533 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: people really they liked him, you know what I mean? 534 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: They were into this cult and it wasn't just to 535 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: show Hadrian that they were a big fan of his, 536 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: because again, some of this worship was private within their homes. 537 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: So they clearly found some connection to Antonus somewhere. Yeah, 538 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: it's like Tom Hanks, right, everybody, just like he was 539 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: Roman Empire's sweetheart, sweetcas Hartcas. So this called gaining popularity 540 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: all over over multiple years. What's Hadrian doing? That's a 541 00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: good question. Let's find out after this commercial breaking Welcome 542 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: back everyone, hope you enjoyed those wonderful commercials we left 543 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: with the cult of Antonus gaining popularity all over, and 544 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: what in the world was Hadrian doing in the meantime? Well, 545 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: he kept it moving because he had to rule sure higher, sure, 546 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: can't just can't just put that down, can't just put 547 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: that down true, can't just go high in the corner 548 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: and cry like a woman exactly. Uh. It is well 549 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: documented that he went to see the Colossi Memnon, right, 550 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: which were built by Pharaoh a Meno Teppe the third. Hey, 551 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: I remember that guy, which we did an episode about 552 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: and his wife Queinta. Go check out that episode. Um. 553 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: In the year one thirty, he officially launched the pan Helenini, 554 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: Helene hand it all. Yeah, how does it feel? Hello? 555 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: The Pan Helenian In one thirty, I can't you're in 556 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: it now? How does it feel You're about to get 557 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: the TikTok music? Uh? In one thirty he officially launched 558 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: the Pan Hellenian in Athens, and this had mixed reviews 559 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: in the Empire. UM. Plenty of places were Hellenistic in culture, 560 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: but they didn't fit his very narrow view of greekness. 561 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: You know how that is. I guess we all know 562 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: how that is. Sure very your diaspora isn't diaspora enough. 563 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: A lot of places in Asia Minor were unenthusiastic and 564 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: pretty jealous of how much he liked all that Greek ship. Um. 565 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: They had their own culture and that would rather they 566 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: would rather, for some reason, rather have UH. And some 567 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: places pretended to have historic Grecian ties that we didn't 568 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: actually exist, just because they wanted to be a member 569 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: and curry favor with him. So it wasn't like a 570 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: perfect union show up with like two euros in their hands. 571 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,479 Speaker 1: They're like super Greek. I got a column over here, 572 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: I got some I got some lamb on a spitz 573 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: over very Doric olives. You know me and my olives. 574 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I just can't. I can't stop eating feta cheese. 575 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: I guess it's just my natural culture. So Hadrian's whole 576 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: thing was unity, right, But in one big way he failed, 577 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: and that was with the Jews. In the year one 578 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: thirty two, he visited Jerusalem, probably to rebuild it in 579 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: the Roman style, because it was still in ruins from 580 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: the First Jewish Roman War in the year sixty six. 581 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: The idea was that Jerusalem would be under Roman rule. 582 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: The non Roman population wouldn't have to participate in any 583 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: religious activities, but they did have to support the imperial 584 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: order by serving in the army and things like that. 585 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: So he wanted essentially to assimilate the Jewish Temple into 586 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: the imperial cult, which had been done in other places 587 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 1: with some success. But thanks to a Jewish leader named 588 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: Simon bar Kochba, there was a revolt amongst the Jews. 589 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: In the Talmud, he's portrayed as somewhat irrational and irrascible. 590 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: He presided over an army of two hundred thousand, but 591 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: would make them prove their valor by cutting off one 592 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: of their fingers, thank you, I think people at the 593 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: time we're like, why would you want to mutilate our 594 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: own army? How is that helpful? And how does that 595 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: prove anything? All it proves is that I know you're 596 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: gonna hurt me if I don't do this to myself. 597 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: Doesn't I'm dumb enough to cut off one of my 598 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: fingers gladly, like what do you? I don't know. That 599 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a good thing, but and making people 600 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: mutilate themselves doesn't feel like a good way to build 601 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: loyalty at any rate. When he went into battle, he 602 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: would say, oh, Master of the Universe, there is no 603 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: need for you to assist us against our enemies, but 604 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: do not embarrass us either. Come on, God, don't really 605 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: need you right now, but don't make me look like 606 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: an idiot out here. I got this, Dear Jesus. I 607 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: know we're gonna win today, but please don't embarrass me 608 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: in front of all my friends. That's the football team. 609 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: That's the high school football team, and yeah, that's the 610 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: high school for the high school of a dude. But 611 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: they were super organized. They were so organized that the 612 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: Romans suffered a pretty severe defeat and had to adopt 613 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: the scorched earth policy of raising everything to the ground 614 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: just to demoralize the Judaeans, but eventually they were fully suppressed. 615 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: Cassius Dio wrote that five hundred and eighty thousand Jews 616 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: were killed over the three years the war went on, 617 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: with a number of those dying from famine and disease 618 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: and fire quote past finding out. Hadrian erased Judaea from 619 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: the map, basically mashing together Judaea, Samaria, and Galilee into 620 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: a province that he called Syria Palestina, which of course 621 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: didn't have any lasting repercussions in the region. Everything was fine. 622 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: We've never heard about Syria Palestinia ever again. Oh my god, 623 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: the number of times that you look back in history 624 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: and they say the number of Jews who died was 625 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: past finding out, past finding out is like far too 626 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: many times. It's very insane. So um, but yeah. Celebrations 627 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: and commendations for ending the Second Jewish Roman War were 628 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: kept to a minimum because Hadrian considered it a failure 629 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: in his dream to unite all the peoples of the 630 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: Roman Empire he included Jews in that, and because he 631 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: could not assimilate them into his own culture or I 632 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: guess successfully have a way for them to keep their 633 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: own culture while still being a part of the empire. 634 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: He was like, don't congratulate me. That's not what I wanted. 635 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: I didn't want to suppress and kill a bunch of 636 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: Jewish people. I didn't want to have to kill a 637 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 1: half a million Jewish people, more than half a million, 638 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: but I did do it. You know, why would you 639 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: make me do this? In one thirty six, the Empress 640 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Vibia Sabina died, and though she was deified after her death, 641 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: as was her due, most impresses were everyone knew that 642 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: it was not a happy marriage. The Historia Augustus says 643 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: that at one point Hadrian himself said that his wife's 644 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: ill temper and irritability would be enough of a reason 645 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: for a divorce if he were only a private citizen. 646 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: So he was not much like her temper tantrums in 647 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: front of other people. He was not afraid, I guess, 648 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: at least amongst his own circles, to be pretty clear 649 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: about how he felt about her. Um So there were 650 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: quite a lot of rumors that went around that Hadrian 651 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: poisoned Vibia Sabina, which, again you know from from our 652 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: perspective in the future. A lot of historians were like, 653 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: what why he lived with her for a very long 654 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: thirty six years they were together. Why wouldn't he have 655 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: killed her before that? You know, what would be the 656 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: point at this point of his life to poison her? 657 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, what's the point? They didn't have Peacock, they 658 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: didn't have back then, they didn't have much. They had 659 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: to make their own stories to make up. Now, near 660 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: the end of his life, as he was dying from 661 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: this mysterious illness, Hadrian of course had to name a successor, 662 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: which I mean again, just what a what a creepy 663 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 1: marker of your own mortality and your own impending death. 664 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: Like it's people just starting to be like, hey, it's 665 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: like being nudged at retirement, you know, like, hey, where 666 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: where are you going to move when you retire? And 667 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: you're like, funk is that next year? I'm so old? 668 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: And then being like, hey, time to name time to 669 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: name an air Like funk, I guess I'm almost dead. 670 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: I guess everybody thinks of me as a almost a corpse. 671 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: It kind of makes me me like a real rich guy. 672 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: Right in his will, He's like, I don't want anyone 673 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: to know what's in my will yet, because they might 674 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: kill me if I name them, and if I don't 675 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: name them, they might do something to me, you know, 676 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: Like you need to be careful, but you have to 677 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: get it all in writing at some point, and you 678 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: have to pick your timing really carefully. And anyway, it's 679 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: very weird. So Hadrian's dealing with this, and he's got 680 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: a name of successor. He had originally considered his brother 681 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: in law Servian when he was in the early years 682 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: of his reign, but servianas was in his nineties now, 683 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: so he was way too old to pick. Hadrian had 684 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: moved on to servians grandson, Fuscus Salinator Salinator probably, but 685 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: I like Salinator Senators Salinator sounds like a death robot 686 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: which rules a lot, yeah, or or like shoots lettuce 687 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: at you to Hadrian's like, what's that now? So he 688 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: was grooming the Salinator to be his heir, but in 689 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: the year one thirty six he suddenly changed his mind 690 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: and adopted Lucius Sionius Commodus as his heir. Now this 691 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: really piste off Servians and Salinader because in the year 692 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: one thirty seven, they may have attempted a coup against Hadrian. 693 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: It didn't work, and Hadrian ordered them both to be 694 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: put to death. No, I will chop your salad. The 695 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: salad joke. That's terrible. I'm really embarrassed by it. Uh. 696 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: And according to the Historia Augusta, Servianus is reported to 697 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: have prayed before his execution that Hadrian would quote long 698 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: for death but be unable to die. That's pretty harsh. 699 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: That's a cruel fate, worse than death to wish on someone. 700 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: And sure enough, during his final illness, Hadrian was prevented 701 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: from suicide. On several occasions. Serbianest had like a direct line. Yeah. 702 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: People still don't know what made Hadrian change his mind 703 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: about about Salinader. The best guess is that Lucius was 704 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: the son in law of one of the four senators 705 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: that Hadrian had had executed back in the day, or 706 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: that a Tianas did all on his own. Uh. So 707 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: Hadrian named him like as a way to make amends. 708 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: I guess um years later. But unfortunately Lucius was in 709 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: poor health. He died before Hadrian, so that left Hadrian 710 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: airless once more. I can't win for losing here, so 711 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: then he adopted Titus Aurelius Fulvus Bonus Arius Antoninus, And 712 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: that's all one guy. I know. I keep being like, 713 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: what up ancient Rome and your bonus Antoninus in the hills. Well, 714 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: and we all know Hadrian had a penchant for boonist 715 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: so uh, and that this guy would end up becoming 716 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: the emperor Antoninus pius Us. You all remember Antoninus Pious 717 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 1: from you know, there were so many Roman emperors. Yeah, 718 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, but he adopted Antoninus on the condition 719 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 1: that Antoninus adopt both Lucius commediss son confusingly also named 720 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: Lucius commedist So I know I was going back for 721 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: like what which lucism might talk about luc as well 722 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: as Hadrian's close friends grandson Marcus Aurelius as his heirs. 723 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: So that's how Rome got Marcus Aurelius basically, And apparently 724 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: some historians believe that Hadrian's plan all along was to 725 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: get Marcus on the throne, but Marcus had been too 726 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: young at the time for Hadrian to name himself. The 727 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: whole time, he's like this kid, he should be the guy. 728 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: He's too young for me to name him. Mayor to 729 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: the throne, but I know he's going to be a 730 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: good one. Sometimes you meet a kid and you're just like, 731 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna do ship, kid. But I'm not sure that's 732 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: true because I think mark Cerellius was like twenty two 733 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: or something by the time Hadrian's naming Antoninus. So I'm like, 734 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: that sounds old enough to me. Emperor's coming in at 735 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: fourteen years old now, so I'm not super sure about that. 736 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, he certainly was like, make sure Marcus Aurelius 737 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: is air. I want him in the lineup. So Hadrian's 738 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: pretty old and sickly at this point. Like we said, 739 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: he had attempted suicide several times, all thwarted by Antoninus, 740 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: by the way, so he went to a seaside resort 741 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: on the coast. His condition didn't improve, and he stopped 742 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: following his doctor's recommendations, and he indulged himself in food 743 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: and drink. I kind of get that. I would be like, 744 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: fucking it's over, man, Like every day I hurt, and 745 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: I could keep taking these pills, but why don't I 746 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 1: just enjoy myself as much as I can. I can 747 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: eat salenader every day and still be dead in a 748 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: couple of days, so let me enjoy it. I'd rather 749 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: be eating boons. But close to the end of his 750 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: life he composed a poem. So that's going to take 751 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,280 Speaker 1: us down to poetry corners, where we've got Hadrian, Emperor 752 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: of Rome, with a special poem that he's written here 753 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,280 Speaker 1: at the end of his life. Take it away, Adrian roving, 754 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: amiable little soul bodies, companion and guest, now descending for parts, colorless, unbending, 755 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: and bear your usual distractions. No more shall be there. 756 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: Apparently that poem was very popular. People really enjoyed it. 757 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: But in the Historia Augusta, the historian alias Spartianus recorded 758 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: that Hadrian quote wrote also similar poems in Greek not 759 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: much better than this one. Damn wow, everyone's a critic. 760 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: I give burn what are past? And I was like this, 761 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: I think the historian was written like hundreds of years later, 762 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: wasn't it like? Damn like literature was different than But finally, 763 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: at the end of his life, Hadrian sent for Antoninus 764 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: to come to his little beach resort, and Antoninus was 765 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: by his side when he died on July t in 766 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: the year one. But Hadrian and Antonuss love lived on 767 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: World Queer Story says Anthony's in particular became something of 768 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: an icon for homosexual subculture. During the Renaissance, queer art 769 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: turned from the mythical Ganymede to the real life Antonus 770 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: for inspiration. Oscar Wilde wrote about him in the Picture 771 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: of Dorian Gray, and Victor Hugo wrote in Lay misserab 772 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: about quote an untamed Antonus who seemed to not be 773 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: aware of the existence of a creature called woman, which 774 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: is an interesting take on homosexuality. You just didn't just 775 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: didn't even pay attention to women. You didn't even even 776 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: acknowledge that they were there. Yeah, And I guess you 777 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: couldn't just be like, and this guy was gay and 778 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: he had a boyfriend that he had to be like 779 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: he was an untamed Antonist, like otherwise it would be 780 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: porn pornography almost too to write about a gay They 781 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: would consider it that. Yeah, I think, so they had 782 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: to couch it so carefully. Yeah, they were roommates. Yeah, 783 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: they were roommates. And Rufus Wainwright in two thousand eighteen 784 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: wrote an opera that's all about their relationship. It's called Hadrian. 785 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: And of course it would not be right if these 786 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 1: two athletic guys were forgotten by sports. Um there's also 787 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: an lgbt Q plus rugby tournament called the Hadrian Cup 788 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: held annually and in March they introduced an award called 789 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: the Antonous Plate. Look at that. So they both got 790 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: name checked by the rugby teams, which is nice. So yeah, 791 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's interesting that Hadrian had all the 792 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: power in the time period that they were alive, but 793 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: the cult of Antonists lasted longer than than any one 794 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: was talking about. Hadrian took the downfall of paganism and 795 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: the uprising of Christianity to get rid of it, and 796 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: then even today their love matters. I mean, it matters 797 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 1: to representation. Essentially, they created space for representation in artwork 798 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: throughout the centuries. That's cool. I hope my name, you know, 799 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: is involved in something two thousand plus years from now. 800 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: I hope there's a two thousand plus years from now 801 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: from my name to be involved with them, all right, folks, right, 802 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: they're going to be like, this is the Eli Banks 803 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 1: cooling Dome under which is the only thing we can 804 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: continue to survive as a species. Thanks, it's just fun. 805 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: It's funny too to think about, like the person who 806 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: was trying so hard to go down in history by 807 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: building a town about the boy killed and and all 808 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: the things he did and recording his life actually didn't 809 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: last as long as the guy who wasn't trying to 810 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: do all that. Well. Yeah, I mean it shows you 811 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: where ambition gets you sometimes. I mean he did get 812 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: those things done, he did, and I mean because of 813 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: him Antony's name, you know, he hadn't cared about him then, 814 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: we wouldn't know anything about him now. But but it's 815 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: it is interesting to see which characters people connect to, 816 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, not just an entertainment, but in history. You know, 817 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said and can kind 818 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: of trace it back to television two about you know, well, 819 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: sometimes these little side characters early in the story end 820 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: up being people's favorites, and they end up being you know, 821 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 1: huge main characters a season or two in or get 822 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: their own spinoff. Yeah yeah, because you know, again, you've 823 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: got you built around this whole, big, huge person with 824 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: this epic story, and then people are like, yeah, that's cool, 825 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 1: but what about this little guy in the corner. I 826 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,919 Speaker 1: kind of want to know what's going on with him? Well, 827 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,320 Speaker 1: that was Antonist for people. I guess they were just 828 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: like this guy is hella relatable? He's hot as hale, 829 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: but like he's hot and he was real. I think 830 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: that was extra sexy because it was like, sure, Apollo 831 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 1: is hot, he's a god. When am I going to 832 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: stumble off across a god? But like an Antonists could 833 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: be living next door to me, just like how we 834 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: all love for you know, as a god, as a character, 835 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: as a comic book character, you know, as a as 836 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,280 Speaker 1: just an entity throughout many forms of mythology. But Chris Hemsworth, 837 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a guy. That's the real thing. That's 838 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: the guy. Or Chris Evans is another I know what 839 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: didn't play a god, but I think he's something people like. 840 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: I loved his character and then like the more you 841 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,959 Speaker 1: get to know him as a person, you're like, he's 842 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: actually Captain America, like real anyway, but yeah, somebody give 843 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: that man a shield. So it's like a hot young 844 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: Fabio type and like how old are you? I mean, 845 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm not young, come on. Fabio is like I don't know, 846 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,800 Speaker 1: he just seems to be like a very Greek type 847 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: big son kissed fan in the hair who's a current 848 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: famous Greek actor m or like sex symbol Jennifer Aniston. Sure, okay, 849 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: okay Anniston, that's a that sounds like that could have 850 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: a I mean Nia Vardelos, didn't she do my big 851 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: Greek wedding. Um, he's a modern day Jason men Zucas, 852 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: who probably what a very different energy. I could see 853 00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: Hadrian being Hadrian Pimento. Adrian Pimento. Oh my god. Do 854 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: all right, let's start working on that cross crossover. Speaking 855 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: of spinoffs, speaking of a of a side character who 856 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: became everyone's favorite, who deserves a spinoff, Derek, Oh, we're 857 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: losing it, but we better wrap this up. We're to 858 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: start quoting drunk. Thank you so much for joining us 859 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: the story of Hadrian and Antonu's and thanks to Paronha 860 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: for this suggestion. Again, I'm just really fine, ancient Rome 861 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: k hole as I said that you sent me down 862 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: so appreciate that. We are loving your suggestions. We got 863 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 1: one right here as we're recording, we got another one, 864 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 1: so keep sending them in. Um, some of them are 865 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: so fucked up, Like especially after poo Gash. We got 866 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,919 Speaker 1: like two or three stories where I was like I don't. 867 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: I don't think I have the mind for this right now, 868 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,879 Speaker 1: because they seem dark as the hell. Yeah, we gotta, 869 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: we gotta spread them out a little bit, those crazy 870 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,919 Speaker 1: murder stories of psychopaths, like, oh, we love them. Someone 871 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,359 Speaker 1: sent me I wish I had his name in front 872 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: of me, but he sent one about I think his 873 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: name is Jay, and he sent one about someone who 874 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,319 Speaker 1: made a guy live in her attic as a sex 875 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 1: slave for like seventeen years, and I was like, okay, 876 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,879 Speaker 1: I need a minute, everybody. Yeah, we will get to that. 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