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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick. I'm the pastor of Elevation

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Speaker 1: Church and this is our podcast. I wanted to thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us today. Hope this inspires you. Hope

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Speaker 1: it builds your faith. Hope it gives your perspective to

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Speaker 1: see God is moving in your life. Enjoy the message.

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Speaker 1: I thought what I wanted to ask you before we

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Speaker 1: sit down. All right, I've been thinking about this for

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Speaker 1: a month. No, I haven't lost. Yeah, about one pound.

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Speaker 1: If you were going to preach right now, Let's say,

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Speaker 1: let's say a Sunday morning at the Potter's house and uh,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Joel was scheduled to preach. Where's Pastor Joel? But

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Speaker 1: he got he got injured doing five hundred pounds bench press. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they say, Bishop, Pastor Joel's not preaching, and the

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Speaker 1: praise team is finished and Marcus has dragged out the

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Speaker 1: music as long as he can. And you've got to preach?

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Speaker 1: What text you preach? I think I know, but I

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Speaker 1: want to see if I'm right. What Texa? You don't know?

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Speaker 1: You don't you know? For God said she had appointed

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Speaker 1: me another seed in the stead of Cain, who Abele slew?

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Speaker 1: My subject is he'll do it again. No, I didn't

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Speaker 1: guess that one. Have a seat, Yeah, have a seat everybody.

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Speaker 1: So that's in the Bible, that verse. How many you

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Speaker 1: have ever listened to Bishop Jake's preaching? You're like, does

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Speaker 1: he have the same Bible that I have? I never, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was going to tell you this. So my oldest

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Speaker 1: Elijah the other day, can I tell him? We're on

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Speaker 1: the porch, and I quoted Bishop quote to him and

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, well, Bishop always says blah blah

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Speaker 1: little parables that you spit out like they're you know,

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Speaker 1: just this beautiful, beautiful, beautifully crafted thing, right. And he goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's Bishop. I always thought that was a Bible verse.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you is you are so loved

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Speaker 1: in the Ferdic home that my kids think you wrote

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Speaker 1: parts of the Bible that aren't in the Bible. That's

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Speaker 1: how much you mean to us. I've never been told

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Speaker 1: that before a boy life. I can't make that all.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love you all too. What does that

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Speaker 1: feel like, though, to have the to be the most

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Speaker 1: imitated preacher in the last fifty years. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that's true, assuming that it is, because assuming that that

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Speaker 1: would be true, imitation is the highest form of flattery.

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Speaker 1: But if there is anything higher than that and more

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Speaker 1: important and flattering itself, is to find the true power

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Speaker 1: of being you. Yeah, yeah, why be a cheap copy

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Speaker 1: of a great original when you have the option to

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Speaker 1: do yourself. So when you're starting to preach, people say,

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Speaker 1: be yourself, be yourself. But when you're first starting to

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Speaker 1: preach yourself sucks, like not as a human being, but

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Speaker 1: as a preacher. It's true. So then you hear, oh,

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Speaker 1: don't imitate anyone else. But like I wanted, I actually

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Speaker 1: wanted to start the conversation tonight because this book is

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Speaker 1: a gift, and thank you for taking the time at

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Speaker 1: this stage in your ministry to share this. I think

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Speaker 1: it's so relevant and I've I've been waiting for this,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people have. But

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start not just talking about communication in general,

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Speaker 1: but im okay, right, because imitation isn't always a bad thing, right, No, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: you want me to go pass? No okay, no, Well

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Speaker 1: it's freach like it's a bad thing. It's the spiritual danger.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain what mentorship really means. It means that

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Speaker 1: when Samuel grew up and was brought by Hannah into

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Speaker 1: distinctives between the sound of Eli's voice and God. That

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Speaker 1: who mentored you. Gradually you come to a point that

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Speaker 1: to lay down. The third time before he recognized that

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Speaker 1: Eli says, when you hear the voice again, go and

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Speaker 1: lay down in the same place and say, speak Lord,

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Speaker 1: that servant here. So it is my job to gradually

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Speaker 1: lead you from God sounding like me until you can

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Speaker 1: hear that God sounds like God, and you see, you see.

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Speaker 1: And so that weaning process starts with him being weaned

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Speaker 1: that he might draw the breast milk from the breasted

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Speaker 1: The other thing that's important to realize is that we

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Speaker 1: Eli couldn't hear the voice. He was sleeping. Okay. Samuel,

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Speaker 1: adventurous curiosity that allows him to hear the unhearable. This

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Speaker 1: through him. So the promise of God is bigger than

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Speaker 1: the reality of the individual, and he has to grow

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Speaker 1: into it, just like he had to grow into his

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Speaker 1: big enough that he can grow into it, and greatness

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Speaker 1: must be grown into. Yeah. Okay, so when you're first

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Speaker 1: book isn't just for preachers, right, but we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: preaching because we love to talk about preaching. Let's do that.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know that, by the way, my

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Speaker 1: whole goal for this experience is for you to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a taste of like this would

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Speaker 1: about growing into it. When you're inspired by somebody like

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Speaker 1: the way I've been inspired by you. First of all,

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Speaker 1: did you have somebody that you studied the way that

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Speaker 1: I have studied, you had several and I still do.

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Speaker 1: I listen at every orator imaginable, whether I agree with

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Speaker 1: technique and the style. You can learn from litigators, you

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Speaker 1: can learn from comedians. You can learn from preachers. I

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Speaker 1: know the content I want to deliver it, but the

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Speaker 1: conglomerate of all of these different styles and the propensity.

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Speaker 1: It's like asking a gospel artist, can you learn anything

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Speaker 1: classical pianist? Absolutely? And incorporate all of those different modalities

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Speaker 1: the broader your stage becomes. So what are you listening for?

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Speaker 1: When you're listening, I'm listening at how they connect with

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Speaker 1: I'm listening at the rhythm. See, great preaching is almost musical.

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Speaker 1: conveying information, and then in the middle of the pace

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Speaker 1: and the rhythm us pause. The pause is what I

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Speaker 1: of God does not need crutches. And to those that

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Speaker 1: truth needs no If it is true, it is true.

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Speaker 1: And the human ability to sense truth is utterly amazing.

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Speaker 1: It is not just the verbalization of paragraphs and the

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Speaker 1: conglomerates of chapters. It is we hear with more than

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Speaker 1: body language. We hear through voice inflection, we hear through

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Speaker 1: pitch and tone. This is what's wrong with marriage, is

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Speaker 1: The Bible teacher is with the heart man believeth unto salvation,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's saying I'm sweating through my clothes. I

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Speaker 1: would stutter so bad. And I think I think it

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Speaker 1: took me a minute to believe that, because I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe that that same voice that talks to me that

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Speaker 1: way talks to you the same way. I guarantee you,

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Speaker 1: I scrutinize, I will go home, I will go back

434
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Speaker 1: to my hotel and scrutinize everything that we said still

435
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Speaker 1: yes tonight, because that's the only way to get better.

436
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Speaker 1: And when you stop getting better, you start dying. When

437
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Speaker 1: a teacher ceases to be a student, they begin to

438
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Speaker 1: be irrelevant. So to have the courage to critique yourself

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Speaker 1: and say, I could have done this better, I could

440
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Speaker 1: have done that better, I could have explained this. Wonder

441
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Speaker 1: did they really get what I was saying? Are still

442
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Speaker 1: the voices that live in my head, but they don't

443
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Speaker 1: live too loud? See See, the art of it is

444
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Speaker 1: not to kill the voice, is to cut the volume down.

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Speaker 1: So instead of existing out a ten, maybe it exists

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Speaker 1: at a three. I don't want to kill it because

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Speaker 1: if I kill it, I'll become arrogant. And if I

448
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Speaker 1: become arrogant, the Bible says, when you were small in

449
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Speaker 1: your own eyes, I bless you, And if I become arrogant,

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Speaker 1: I will lose my knowinging. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: kill that voice of dissension that balances my accomplishments. And

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Speaker 1: so God balances my accomplishment with the throwing in my

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Speaker 1: flesh that makes me question myself. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: him to remove the throwing in my flesh because I

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Speaker 1: need balance for the weight of the glory that he

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Speaker 1: placed in my life. But I don't want that voice

457
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Speaker 1: to become so loud that it cannibalizes what He has

458
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Speaker 1: created in me. And so when I say don't drop

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Speaker 1: the mic, I'm passing on to younger, newer, because everything

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Speaker 1: new isn't young. There may be somebody who's forty or

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Speaker 1: fifty who has spent their life doing one thing, and

462
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Speaker 1: yet they're about to be new to doing something they've

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Speaker 1: never done before. So this you understand, so new isn't

464
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Speaker 1: about chronological agent. On the other hand, there may be

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Speaker 1: somebody who's twenty five who's stuck on being fifteen and

466
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Speaker 1: refuses to grow up, and they're not ready yet, and

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Speaker 1: they're not precocious enough to evolve into the magnitude of

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Speaker 1: what God has called them to do. So instead I'll

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Speaker 1: just leave it a very neutral statement. To whoever's new

470
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Speaker 1: and whoever's next, I want them to understand what's normal

471
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Speaker 1: with communication and to respect communication, so that you don't

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Speaker 1: just say us anything to anybody, and you don't become

473
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Speaker 1: a troll on Twitter because you know that words have power,

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Speaker 1: and you don't keep saying things to your wife that

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Speaker 1: you have to apologize for because you let them incubate

476
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Speaker 1: in your mind. Some of them are aborted and not

477
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: birthed because you find out it was and as important

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Speaker 1: as you thought it was. Because eventually she will get

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Speaker 1: tired of I'm sorry, and you will lose somebody you

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Speaker 1: need because you drove them away with the with the acrimonious,

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Speaker 1: vicious tone in which you attack who you love, because

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Speaker 1: we often attack who we love, and we're polite with

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Speaker 1: people we don't love because of yeah, am I daughter.

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Speaker 1: She this is a problem. Listen, men, listen women. A

485
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Speaker 1: lot of times, when a man thinks you won't leave,

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Speaker 1: he will. He will abuse you because he is frustrated

487
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Speaker 1: by life and circumstances, and he has to be polite

488
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Speaker 1: to whom he doesn't know, but he feels free to

489
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Speaker 1: attack you because he is attacking him. You treat your

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Speaker 1: woman like you treat yourself, and she gets caught up

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Speaker 1: in the orbit of your reality. She treats you like

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Speaker 1: she treats herself. And so we're two planets connecting, and

493
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: those two orbits come together. And if you are cynical

494
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Speaker 1: and doubtful and a fread, you have nobody else to

495
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Speaker 1: vent that on, but somebody who you think won't leave.

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Speaker 1: And so what we have to do is to be

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Speaker 1: ride or die enough to stay with you, but not

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Speaker 1: enough to allow my stain to give you license to

499
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Speaker 1: abuse me. Okay, so we can talk about anything, but

500
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Speaker 1: you can't vent on me because you're insecure about you.

501
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: So when you said turn it down, I felt every

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Speaker 1: one of us in the room kind of asking the question,

503
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: how how to turn it? You know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: a knob for the internal critic, for the shame for

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Speaker 1: the and so you turn it down? How First of all,

506
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Speaker 1: you have an inner circle of people that you trust

507
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: to reaffirm you. We need each other. We need each

508
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Speaker 1: other no matter who you are, A large or small,

509
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Speaker 1: you need. You need a girlfriend. Every woman in here

510
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Speaker 1: needs a girlfriend who can tell her that that dress

511
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Speaker 1: is not for you. My wife says. My wife says,

512
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Speaker 1: this is why my wife says it. She says she

513
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: either needed a friend or a mirror. You need somebody

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Speaker 1: who needs to tell you that purple lipstick is not

515
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Speaker 1: your calling, okay, because you want to try different things,

516
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Speaker 1: and you need somebody who is who has license to

517
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Speaker 1: be honest with you and who can affirm you when

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Speaker 1: you're just a friend and tell you you're not worried

519
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Speaker 1: about nothing. You were awesome, You were incredible, and you

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00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: need to let them reaffirm you. Now, here's the bigger

521
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Speaker 1: problem with turning it down. Sometimes we won't let people

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Speaker 1: encourage us because we will reject what they say by

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Speaker 1: trivializing them. Or you're just saying that because you're my wife.

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Speaker 1: You're just saying that because you're my mother, because you're

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Speaker 1: addicted to pain. You refuse the physician because you're addicted

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Speaker 1: to the pain, and so in order to recover from that,

527
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Speaker 1: you have to let the physician come and bill you

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Speaker 1: until you echo what they are saying about you. And

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Speaker 1: little by little you come into a place where you think,

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Speaker 1: not I can do all things, but I can do

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Speaker 1: all things through Christ, which strengthens me. And whatever I

532
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Speaker 1: did and whatever style I did it in as long

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Speaker 1: as it accomplished His purpose, not mine, it was enough.

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Speaker 1: I was nervous one day and I was going to

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Speaker 1: speak in West Virginia. I was a young man, about

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Speaker 1: twenty something, and I was real, real nervous, and it

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Speaker 1: was in here, what's up, I gotta I got a

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Speaker 1: hill billy up in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, take me

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Speaker 1: home country, roll to the place I belong, West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: My mama when you know all the wordst of that,

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Speaker 1: that's you horizinal I learned on acoustic guitar. Really, that's

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Speaker 1: my jam boy. Okay, but but what you have to

543
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Speaker 1: your pastor is crazy. I hate to tell you this,

544
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Speaker 1: but your pastor is crazy. He's one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: people in all the world. And talk to h He's incredible.

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Speaker 1: He's inquisitive, he's intellectual, he's articulate, he's creative, he's annoying

547
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Speaker 1: it he's amazing. And part of my call in his

548
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Speaker 1: life is to turn down the tone of the other

549
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: voices by saying that was amazing and fighting through the propensity.

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Speaker 1: All great people have to be self critical. One of

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Speaker 1: the signs of greatness is to be self critical because

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Speaker 1: you're a perfectionist. And it's people who hang up a

553
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Speaker 1: code any kind of way, who can leave a closet

554
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Speaker 1: in any condition, who cannot spell check a statement before

555
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Speaker 1: they release it are telling you that I won't be great,

556
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Speaker 1: because greatness is in details, not platforms. So you don't

557
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: have to be rich, you don't have to be famous.

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00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: The more you care about details, the closer you get

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Speaker 1: to greatness. You know, and when your details are wrong,

560
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Speaker 1: you want to correct them immediately because it matters to

561
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Speaker 1: you because the moment, the moment you open your mouth,

562
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Speaker 1: you start to teach people who you are. If you

563
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Speaker 1: and I sit down here and nobody knew us in

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Speaker 1: the room, and we sat down in the chair, as

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Speaker 1: long as we didn't open our mouths, they wouldn't know

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Speaker 1: whether we were lawyers or doctors, or gangsters or drug dealers.

567
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: They wouldn't know. They would make certain assessments by our clothing.

568
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: But the moment we utter a word out of our mouths,

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Speaker 1: immediately the computer of their brain begins to scan to

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Speaker 1: learn about who we are. That's why language is important,

571
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Speaker 1: because it teaches people who you are, and it teaches

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00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: people what you need. A lot of times we're angry

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00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: with people. I have let me confess, I have been

574
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: angry with my wife, really angry, deeply hidden, and angry

575
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Speaker 1: about something she wasn't giving me that I never asked

576
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Speaker 1: her for. And it took me a while to realize

577
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: that women don't read sign language, so men tend to

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: talk in sign language. So when we want something, we

579
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Speaker 1: give you a signal, and the signal is so clear

580
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: to us that when you miss the signal, we get

581
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Speaker 1: secretly mad that she that fellas that I write about it.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell what that meant, that that I sent

583
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Speaker 1: you the signal, that that is the signal, and you

584
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Speaker 1: miss the signal. How could you miss the sea and

585
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Speaker 1: not realizing that I had to learn how to talk

586
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Speaker 1: because I was angry with her over something she was

587
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Speaker 1: willing to give, but she couldn't read sign language. So

588
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: don't drop the mic on your marriage, don't drop the

589
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: mic on your ministry, don't drop the micael on your career,

590
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: don't drop the Michael on your children, don't drop the

591
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: Michael on the next generation. Just keep talking. If black

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00:42:51,320 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: folks and white folks keep talking, we will at least

593
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: we will at least get to be as smart as

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Speaker 1: great danes. You don't see brown great danes fighting with

595
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Speaker 1: black great danes. You don't see a white Doberman pincher

596
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: arguing with the brown Doberman pincher. We are the only

597
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: species that allow the color of our exterior to deny

598
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Speaker 1: our common experience. You don't if you know deep sea dibin,

599
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: you don't see all the goldfish hanging out on one

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Speaker 1: side and all the bluefish are on the other side,

601
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: and the bluefish are snaring at the goldfish, talking about

602
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm better than you. What does the animal kingdom know

603
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: about species that the human species has yet to learn.

604
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: They know that we are the same species. They know

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Speaker 1: that if you start bleeding and I have the same

606
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: type of blood that you do, the difference in our

607
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: skin will not stop the transfusion. They know that my

608
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: kidney will replace your kidney, and your body will accept

609
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Speaker 1: my kidney. Even though I'm a black man and you're

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Speaker 1: a white man, we're still men. Why aren't we still

611
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Speaker 1: having this stupid conversation about power when we need to

612
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: allocate power equally and honestly and fairly, and killing me

613
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: won't make you king. So so you're not any greater

614
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: by looking down at somebody. You actually become greater by

615
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: looking up at somebody, because the further you push me,

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Speaker 1: the higher you go. You understand what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: so so these types of things I thought, I thought,

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Speaker 1: for can I talk about the von Trail for a minute? Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I thought the Derk charvon Traill talk many things. I

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Speaker 1: thought I talked many things. Uh, personally, I agreed with

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Speaker 1: the verdict. I thought it was quite obvious you can

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Speaker 1: tie my hands all day and lay me face down

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Speaker 1: on concrete, and I will not die. And I have

624
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: high blood pressure, I will not die. I might get

625
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: a cramp, and I might get hungry, I might even

626
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: I might even pass gas. But I will not die. Okay,

627
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: I will not die. So offering that as an understanding

628
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: for reasoning of why he is dead seems a little

629
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Speaker 1: bit acidine to me. However, there are greater lessons to

630
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Speaker 1: be learned. You had six white jurors, four African American jewors,

631
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Speaker 1: and two biracial jurors who, when exposed to the same truth,

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00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: drew the same conclusion unanimously. So think about this for

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Speaker 1: a minute. That means that if we're not getting along,

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Speaker 1: we're not being exposed to the same truth. The Chavin

635
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: case is the greatest argument for democracy in the world.

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00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: It proved that officers could testify against bad officers, and

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00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: that speaking against a bad officer doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 1: are disloyal to good officers. Is shut down every argument

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Speaker 1: we had. What we are at war with is not

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00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: the police, and we're not at war with each other.

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00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: We are at war with abuse and wickedness and human

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Speaker 1: depravity and the loss of dignity. We are at war

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Speaker 1: with your son laying down in the street, bleeding out

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Speaker 1: on a sidewalk, screaming for his mama. And yes he

645
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Speaker 1: is flawed, and yes he has problems, and yes he

646
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Speaker 1: has issues, and yes he may need to be arrested,

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Speaker 1: but he does not need to be tried on the sidewalk.

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Speaker 1: That's all we're saying. We're not saying he's sub virgin married.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying to Guy's mother, Teresa. We are saying

650
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Speaker 1: that when you find something wrong with us, treat us

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Speaker 1: like you do when you find something wrong with your

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Speaker 1: nephew and your niece. That's all. I'm gonna ask an

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Speaker 1: honest question in here. Everybody who's ever been drunk at

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Speaker 1: least once in your life, would you stand up for

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Speaker 1: a minute if you've ever been drunk in your entire life.

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Speaker 1: There are as many white folks standing as black drogs,

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Speaker 1: There are as many women standing as men. Now let

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Speaker 1: me ask your question, did you want to be choked

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Speaker 1: to death for it? That's what we're saying. Bishop. We've

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Speaker 1: lost them, found out the beginning to hit the souls

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Speaker 1: at one point, God bless you, brother. I want I

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Speaker 1: wanted to publicly thank you for your patience and and

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Speaker 1: guidance on this. I called you when at Mother Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: Amy in Charleston. I wanted to speak about it to

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Speaker 1: my church, and you picked up the phone to guide

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Speaker 1: me through it. You know, you could have you could

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Speaker 1: have talked to me. Our church wasn't always diverse, and

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Speaker 1: the more diverse our church became, the more I needed

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Speaker 1: to learn and the more I needed to listen. And Uh,

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Speaker 1: you were there for me, not with judgment or how

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Speaker 1: could you be so stupid not to know how to

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Speaker 1: speak to this or to not get it. But it

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00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: took many conversations for you to help me even understand

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Speaker 1: what I was speaking to and what my silence communicated.

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have known that without you in my life.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known that without you in my life.

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Speaker 1: I also think that a lot of people don't have

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Speaker 1: that kind of relationship where they can admit their ignorance

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Speaker 1: right without the fear of judgment. You're right, and so

680
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: they practice on Facebook. It's true. Yeah, it's funny, but

681
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Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, where you can get slaughtered. My advice

682
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Speaker 1: to all the white folks, black folks and brown folks

683
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Speaker 1: in the row is if you have an idea about

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Speaker 1: a racial issue, don't try it out on Twitter or Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Find you a couple of people that you want to

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Speaker 1: talk to about it and say, how does this sound

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Speaker 1: to you? And it's not that I'm trying to change

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Speaker 1: your opinion, but how do I need to word it

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Speaker 1: where it can be heard? Because how you word it

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Speaker 1: determines how the other person hears it. And you can

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Speaker 1: have the opinion of your choice, but you need to

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Speaker 1: be able to word it. It's like talking to your wife.

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Speaker 1: It's how you worded you know, you know, does my

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Speaker 1: behindling big and disease? Now? Is how you answer this

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Speaker 1: question determines the next seven dinners that you're going to

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Speaker 1: eat in this house. Evening activities, yes, every evening activities

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Speaker 1: and everything are going to be deterred for a long

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Speaker 1: time if you don't answer this question right. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you have to know whether big is a compliment to

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Speaker 1: her or not in one group of communities. Cut the

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Speaker 1: camera and cut the camera. You've been on lockdown so long. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing you let me out of the house. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get it wrong. Here is the thing, though, it's

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Speaker 1: a funny illustration, but it's a good one. Your cultural

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Speaker 1: background controls what you think is good. So what is

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Speaker 1: bad in one community is a compliment in another community.

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Speaker 1: And so in the book I talk about studying your

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Speaker 1: audience before you make your statement, because you will know

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Speaker 1: whether you are insulting them by what you're saying or not.

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Speaker 1: You know. And all of this is not just to

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Speaker 1: make better orators. In the Manable, God used the most

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00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: bilingual people to do the biggest assignments. Moses, who is

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Speaker 1: born a slave on the hitless of Pharaoh, destined to

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Speaker 1: die hidden in his mama's tent, built She built a

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Speaker 1: art and put him in the bulrushes and selled him down.

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Speaker 1: The noun Pharaoh's daughter picked him up and brought him

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Speaker 1: in the palace. So he's a slave raised like a prince.

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Speaker 1: He is educated like an Egyptian, but he is connected

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Speaker 1: to the slaves. God can use him to go back

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Speaker 1: and speak to Pharaoh because he knows the protocol of

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Speaker 1: the house in a way that a slave would never know.

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Speaker 1: The broader girth of your experiences, the more diversely God

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Speaker 1: can use you. Now, Peter walked with Jesus the longest

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Speaker 1: Paul was a Christian killer. But Paul spoke in five

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Speaker 1: different languages, and Peter only spoke in one, and he

726
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: was a fisherman, and it limited how God could use him.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't send Peter to Mars Hill to speak to

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Speaker 1: them at Athens because Peter couldn't speak Greek. But because

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Speaker 1: Paul was bilingual, he is responsible for most of the

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Speaker 1: epistles of the New Testament because of the broadness of

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Speaker 1: his exposure, and so not all people get to be

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Speaker 1: exposed to all the things that I have been exposed to.

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Speaker 1: I went to President Lusevani. His wife hosted a breakfast

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Speaker 1: for me and brought in all of the aristocracy of

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Speaker 1: Uganda to attend a breakfast on my behalf. The King

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Speaker 1: of Swaziland through a dinner party for me, and I

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Speaker 1: was a guest of the King of Swaziland. I was

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Speaker 1: entertained by Nelson Mandela's family. I have been in the

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Speaker 1: oval office of three Democrat, Republican and then Democrat heads

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Speaker 1: of state. I spoke on the National Day of Prayer.

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Speaker 1: I have spoken many times with Larry King, to Oprah Winfrey,

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Speaker 1: to Matt Crouch, to Paul Crouch. Today Star. I have

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Speaker 1: spoken to Pat Robertson, I had spoken to Puffy. I

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Speaker 1: just did an interview with jez and I just did

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Speaker 1: just got off the phone texting Joel Ostein. From Jeezi

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Speaker 1: to Joel, is I like that? Oh? Can I ask

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Speaker 1: you one question? Sure, if Pastor Stephen Ferdick and Pastor

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Speaker 1: Joel Ostein were both on a boat and you had

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Speaker 1: to throw one overboard, who had left? Let me find

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00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: out who can swim the best. And I'll answer the question.

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00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: Because I can't afford to lose neither one of you.

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Speaker 1: I would left it. See how you get out of it?

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Speaker 1: Did you write that down? That's how you get out

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Speaker 1: of it when he dress you up. My point is

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00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: not everybody will get those opportunities. I was on death

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Speaker 1: row with a girl named Erica, right before they were

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00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: scheduled to execute her. I know what it is to

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00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: say last rites over somebody before they're terminated. I have

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00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: baptized mongoloid babies and talk with the family as they

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: let them go off of life support. I spent three

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Speaker 1: days in San Quentin mining the ministering the gospel where

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Speaker 1: there are no offerings to inmate that have been forgotten

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Speaker 1: about him forsaken. I've had thirty thousand formally incarcerated inmates

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Speaker 1: to go through our Texas Offenders re Entry Initiative, and

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00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: we were just invited to Canada to appear before Parliament

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Speaker 1: to make a case for re entry programs in Canada.

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00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: You can't amass that plethora of information and that exposure

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Speaker 1: not effect how you think. I was in the dressing

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Speaker 1: room many times with Aretha Franklin. Her number, her cell

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: phone is still in my phone. I never erased it.

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00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: You know. I was in behind the scenes with Anita

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Baker on her final tour and was a personal friend

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Speaker 1: of mine. I have met gospel artist, jazz artist, hip

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Speaker 1: hop artists, some of the greats. Some of them are dead,

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: some of them have passed on. My mother went to

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Speaker 1: school with Coretta Scott King. My mother went singing the

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00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: choir with Corretta. I had the privilege of having dinner

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Speaker 1: in her home on several occasions. She came to the

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Speaker 1: dedication of our first church. I had Corretta Scott King

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00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: in the same room with Pat Robinson, in the same

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00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: room with Al Gore, in the same room with James Robinson.

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00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Now that's confusing that's as diverse and broad as you

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Speaker 1: can go. At the end of the day, all of

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Speaker 1: those experiences helped to inform me. The first thing I

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: did to Dallas when I came to Dollars was not

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Speaker 1: run a revival. I rented the Dallas Convention Center and

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: threw a party for homeless people, and we fed them

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Speaker 1: and we clothed them, and we had a job fare.

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Speaker 1: That's how I introduced my ministry to Dallas. Twenty five

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Speaker 1: years later, we are still doing that. We are still

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Speaker 1: feeding and clothing and serving and giving and helping the

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Speaker 1: disenfranchise and the marginalized. I don't say that to break

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Speaker 1: I am saying not everybody will go to Buckingham Palace,

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00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: not everybody will go to the Oval Office. But when

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Speaker 1: you read what I share, you will gather my conclusions

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00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: without making the trip, and should you go, you will

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Speaker 1: have some preparation for understanding that the language you use

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: in your circle is not the same language you use

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Speaker 1: when you are doing an interview with a business journalist

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00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: or a conservative talk show radio. It's different than doing

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Speaker 1: a morning Did you learn that the hard way? I listened?

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01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I listened. Everybody is your teacher my mother

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01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: told me the world is a university, and everybody in

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Speaker 1: it is a teacher. When you wake up in the morning,

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01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: be sure you go to school. Everybody teaches you something.

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: The people who do it wrong teach you as much

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Speaker 1: as the people who do it right. They all teach

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: you something. My material is best served to people who

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Speaker 1: aren't finished with themselves yet, who still have mountains to conquer,

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: who still have dreams to dream, who still have valleys

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Speaker 1: to cross and rivers to ford. My material is not

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Speaker 1: really good for people who are finished and satisfied and comfortable,

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Speaker 1: and the only thing you want to do is lay

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Speaker 1: on to be somewhere and count how much sand you

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Speaker 1: can get on your thigh. I want to empower and

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Speaker 1: empot and invest in whose next to lower your learning

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: curve of becoming whatever it is you were created to become.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. And little, my little phrase,

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Speaker 1: don't drop the mic. If. Yes, it's for preachers, but

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Speaker 1: it's for dreamers and thinkers, and people who want to

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Speaker 1: write scripts and films and do movies, and people who

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Speaker 1: want to do more than one thing and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to pick which thing to do, and people who have

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Speaker 1: diverse talents and interests, but you haven't galvanized them into

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Speaker 1: one setting. Because I can relate to that. I was

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Speaker 1: called to preach the gospel. I live to preach the gospel.

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Speaker 1: I'm never more alive than when I'm preaching the gospel.

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Speaker 1: But I was also called to produce films. I just

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Speaker 1: did two movies of Lifetime, Lust and Envy. Yeah, seven

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Speaker 1: deadly sins, and I was able to share our faith

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Speaker 1: on Lifetime's platform. That's an amazing opportunity, and it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a powerful opportunity. You only get innovative opportunities

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Speaker 1: when you give up on being traditional. That's a quotable

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Speaker 1: right there. You only get innovative opportunities when you give

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Speaker 1: up on being traditional. Now make it a sermon, put

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Speaker 1: a scripture to it. Oh wow, that I haven't used yet.

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Speaker 1: Ruth leaves, which is tradition, to follow Naomi into the unknown,

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Speaker 1: not knowing what she will have to do or what

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Speaker 1: she will have to become. And she travels on her

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Speaker 1: donkey down the path into the unknown. She makes a

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Speaker 1: commitment by God, shall be by people, my people. And

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Speaker 1: whether I dwell as I will dwelling, whether I dies,

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Speaker 1: I shall die but she had never seen bethela have.

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Speaker 1: She was just courageous enough to walk into the unfamiliar

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Speaker 1: and had the dexterity of thought and the nimbleness of

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Speaker 1: mine to say to herself, I'll figure it out when

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Speaker 1: I get there. Yeah. And so I feel excited. I

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Speaker 1: feel excited like I'm feeding somebody. There's a feeling I

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Speaker 1: get when I'm feeding somebody that is in this room

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm feeding somebody. I don't know who it is,

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Speaker 1: but I can tell I can feel it in my spirit.

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Speaker 1: I can feel it in my belly. I am feeding

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Speaker 1: somebody in this room. I can feel it in my soul.

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: You don't fit the pattern. You broke the mole. You're

855
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: out of the box. You think differently. You got ideas

856
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: and concept that you're afraid to share with anybody because

857
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: they don't get you. And God sent me here to

858
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: tell you you're not crazy. That you can be this as,

859
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: that you can produce film and preach the gospel and

860
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: write books and write up as and do commentaries, and

861
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: that you can do more than one thing. That you

862
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: can be an architect and an accountant, that you can

863
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: open up a donut shop and do hair, that you

864
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: don't have to be locked into a prison of how

865
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: people describe you. There is more inside of you than

866
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: what you have discovered. Yet I don't know who I'm

867
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: talking to. Maybe they're streaming online, maybe they're reaching from

868
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: across the waters. But God sent me here to say,

869
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: don't drop the mic. Keep on talking about it, keep

870
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: on dreaming about it, keep on fighting for it, keep

871
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: on saying it, even if you don't have nobody to hear.

872
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: You walk around the house talking to yourself, talking to yourself,

873
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: telling yourself, if I made a touch, if I may

874
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: but touch, if I may but touch the him of

875
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: his garment, I will be may hold. And if you

876
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: have to crawl for it, and if you have to

877
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: get money for it, and if you have to press

878
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: through the crowds of people who don't think you deserve

879
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: to be that close, then push on in there anyway

880
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: and get your touch from God. Most people who have

881
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: greatness inside of them are the last to know it.

882
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: And when you talked earlier about the many times we've

883
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: had conversation, it was oftentimes to help you see what

884
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: is obvious to everybody but you if it were not

885
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: obvious to everybody, else they wouldn't be in here. But

886
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: what they don't realize is that you can see everybody

887
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: but you. And that's what I tell people about me.

888
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: I can see all of you, but I can't see me.

889
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: So if my shirt isn't hand right or my collars up,

890
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: when I see the picture, I hate myself. But the

891
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: reason my collar is up in my pocket square may

892
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,959
Speaker 1: not be straight up, and and and maybe my softs

893
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: will run down is because I cannot see myself. Now.

894
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: Catch this the way that it's true about my appearance,

895
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: it's also true about my gifting. When you are truly gifted,

896
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: you often cannot see it. So you could be gifted

897
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: and see everybody's gift but your own. Yeah, And and

898
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: what I was telling you was being a mirror, so

899
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: you could see that was great, that needs work, that

900
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: was awesome, that was not your best sod That trust

901
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: between us creates mentorship because I know you have a

902
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: blind spot like I have a blind spot. Where you

903
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: cannot see yourself like you have a blind spot. And

904
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: if you're not careful, your blind spot will always leave

905
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: you thinking that you are not enough, that you're not

906
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: tall enough, or short enough, or thin enough, or handsome

907
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: enough or cute enough, or smart enough, or bright enough,

908
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: or gifted enough. But even the greats question themselves. I've

909
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: met them. They have the little voice that ran home

910
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: with them too. They double think themselves too. The difference

911
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: between them and us is that they feel the fear

912
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: and do it anyway. They feel the fear and do it.

913
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: This is why I love coming to you, This is

914
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: why I spend my opening night with you, because there

915
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: is an energy in this place of transparency. Then you

916
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: get to have the most intimate, intelligent conversations because you

917
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: draw intelligent, thinking people. Not everybody who's spiritual is also intelligent.

918
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: Crazy people love Jesus too. You could come that out.

919
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: I probably should have said that you have something to

920
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: live for, to go for, to evolve into. I don't

921
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: care if you're seventy, if God was finished within you

922
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: be dead. There's still something in you to contribute. And

923
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: whether you are seven or seventy, don't drop the mic.

924
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: Don't let the enemy talk you into dropping the mic,

925
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: because all of us have a commission to do in

926
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: the earth, and to do that thing that you were

927
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: created to do is what makes your soul dance. It's

928
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: what makes creativity spring up like flowers in springtime and

929
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: decorate the canvas of a ground that has never been plowed.

930
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that some of the most beautiful

931
01:10:53,680 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: flowers were never planted. They just grew up arbitrarily because

932
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: the season was right. And I want to say to

933
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: you that amissed all of the craziness and chaos and

934
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: confusion in the world today, that it has just broken

935
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: up the soil for the season to be right. And

936
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 1: I think we have an obligation to tell what we learned,

937
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: how it felt, what we know and what we do

938
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: not know to you so you don't waste time taking

939
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: my classes to jump start you to go to the

940
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: next dimension. And for me, the book is a legacy piece.

941
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: For me, the book is to say to you, I

942
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: know you're scared. I know you overthink things, and I

943
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: know sometimes you don't think you're enough and sometimes you

944
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: feel like an impostor because you know all sides of

945
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: you don't line up with the best of you. Work

946
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: on yourself, improve yourself, repent, confess, cry, crawl, take classes, courses,

947
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: do pilates, whatever you need to do, but do not

948
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: drop the knight because it's your turn and it's your

949
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: time and want I prayed when I was a young man,

950
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: young man pre twenty, I said, Lord, if you ever

951
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: bless me, don't ever let me be know any young

952
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: man's soul. Let me live a life so fulfilled that

953
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: when David comes, I can clap. I don't want to

954
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: get old and get jealous, so that if I digress

955
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: from playing the game, I can always coach and be

956
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: just as fulfilled because I lived everything in its own season.

957
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: You see, And this is the goal you want to

958
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: set for yourself in life, is to live everything in

959
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: it season, so that when the season changes, you're not

960
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: living in the past trying to recreate what is gone,

961
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: and to do you the way you do you and

962
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: enhance that and grow that by your exposure every book

963
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: I ever read, every movie I ever saw, every staff

964
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: meeting I have ever been in. I have got to

965
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: be in the staff meetings of some of the sharpest

966
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: people in the nation. Not to brag. See, we get

967
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: in the room and we do selfies. That's dumb. Get

968
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: in the room, past the selfie. Get the experience. Show

969
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: me you were in the room by what you do

970
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: with your life, not by what your post with your picture.

971
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: If you do that, If you do that, if you

972
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: take more notes than you tweet, wow, then you won't

973
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: feed the house and starve to death. Because when you tweet,

974
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: you feed the house. When you take notes, you eat yourself.

975
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: So be sure. I'm not saying don't tweet. I want

976
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: you to tweet. Tweet tonight. Hashtag don't drop the bike.

977
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: Back home, y'all hear me? Hashtag don't drop the mic,

978
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: watch it on line? Hashtag don't drop the mic, hashtag,

979
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: don't drop the monkey. What's that hashtag again? Hashtag don't

980
01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: drop the mike? Yeah, do all of that. There will

981
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: come a day that this room will not be possible,

982
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: But you were here. I sat with Maya Angelou and

983
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: had her be a guest at Magifest. I was sitting

984
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: not too far from her when she quoted her poem.

985
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: At President Obama's inauguration, I was sitting right behind Aretha's

986
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: hat and besides Colin Powell on the stage in the

987
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: freezing cold and the inauguration, and I was there. That

988
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: moment will never happen again. I rode over with Rick

989
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: Warren that moment will never happen again because some of

990
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: the people that it would take to recreate it. Are

991
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: not even here so cherish every moment. I was just

992
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: having a flashback Bishop the first time that we spoke

993
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: at a meal, somebody came to the table and shared

994
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: with me how the church had changed their life. And

995
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: you you did this thing, because I think the greatest

996
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: sermons that you have preached to me have been something

997
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: that was never on YouTube. And I think that's something

998
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: people should should understand about you, is that your best

999
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: sermons usually aren't recorded. It's the way you live your

1000
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: life and minister to people. And I remember when the

1001
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: guy finished telling me, you know, this is where I

1002
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: was in the church changed my life. And you said,

1003
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: you did that thing, the thing that you do with

1004
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: your eyes where you look and passed my stern them

1005
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: into my guts and you go and you had I

1006
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: remember this. You had a steak knife and you were

1007
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: pointing the steak knife when you said this. So it's

1008
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: very very effective communication tool. And you said, that's an

1009
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: amazing moment. And I was like, yes, sir, and you

1010
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: said and you said, we had just been talking about

1011
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: critics and controversy, and you said, don't let them have

1012
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: your moment. That's your moment, and that's the knife that's

1013
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: still here. And you're saying, I'm just trying to recreate

1014
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: it for you, you said, and you you said it

1015
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: about about four or five times. What moments have you

1016
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: allowed to be stolen that you wish you could take back?

1017
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: I was invited to write op eds. Sally Quinn, who

1018
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: was with the Washington Post who ran the on Faith section,

1019
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: invited me to write op eds for the on Face

1020
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: section of the Washington Posts. And I wrote about three

1021
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,520
Speaker 1: of them, and I got on and read the comments

1022
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: beneath them, and they so discouraged me that I gradually quit.

1023
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: And when I saw Sally again, she said, why have

1024
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: you stopped submitting your up eds? I said, well, I

1025
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: thought I wasn't very good at it because when I

1026
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: read the comments beneath them, I thought they don't like me.

1027
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: And she looked at me and burst out laughing, and

1028
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: she said to me, the average reader of the Washington

1029
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: Post has a master's and the average person in the

1030
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: comments can't spell. And I then realize that I had

1031
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: allowed people to talk me out of a platform who

1032
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: weren't even a part of the intention of the founder.

1033
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: The reason I stressed that to you is that if

1034
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: you're not careful, you'll let somebody who has never been

1035
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: in your seat talk you down from the place that

1036
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: God has given you. You'll let somebody who can't run

1037
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: a barber shop critique you on how you run the church,

1038
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: and you will go home and hurt and humiliate it

1039
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: because they insulted and tell you what you are to

1040
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,480
Speaker 1: do with a platform that God never gave to them.

1041
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 1: They don't seem to realize that if God likes your plan,

1042
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: he would have given you the platform. But you have

1043
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: to know that, even if you don't say that, you

1044
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: have to know that so that you don't fool around

1045
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: and walk away from a master's level opportunity because of

1046
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:56,520
Speaker 1: a mediocre comment. I lost that opportunity. I lost that opportunity,

1047
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: And I think about I texted you a few weeks

1048
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: ago about a sermon that you did on shame. Yes,

1049
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: he still wants you. Yeah, And when I watched you

1050
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: preach that sermon, I think I actually called you and

1051
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: said that was amazing. And then I said that sermon

1052
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: looked expensive. You said it was expensive. Yeah, Can you

1053
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the expense of that kind

1054
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: of ministry? I think that I invested at preaching texts

1055
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: that somehow resonate with the repertoire of my own experiences.

1056
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: I think that you cannot preach about my phibus chef

1057
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: if you have not been dropped by someone you trusted.

1058
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that you can talk about him adequately

1059
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: into your cripple has a cause that was out of

1060
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: your control. I don't think just studying commentaries and Hebrew

1061
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: words will adequately enunciate what drives a prince to lodo

1062
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: bar and makes him be carried out and lay flat

1063
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: on the floor. And for a prince, the child, the

1064
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: grandchild of a king, to say I am a dead dog,

1065
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: that kind of depletion and loss a pedigree can only

1066
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: come within the gaze of someone who can relate to

1067
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:11,520
Speaker 1: that kind of experience of a basement in your life.

1068
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 1: That is the part of preaching that cannot be taught,

1069
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: that must be caught, and it must be personal enough

1070
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: to you that you are talking about him, but you

1071
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: are drawing from you until you and he have become

1072
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: so fused together that getting him up off the floor

1073
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: is getting you up off the floor. I remember you

1074
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: do this to me, See you do this? Why do

1075
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: you do this day. I've preached this in London years

1076
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: ago my boys were little. One of my sons is

1077
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: here tonight. He was there, and I was crawling across

1078
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: the floor, trying to make it from the floor to

1079
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: the chair, and in dramatizing the approach of the fibers

1080
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: Chef who was laid on the floor like a thing

1081
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: but called to a chair like a king, and the

1082
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 1: space between the two realities in his life, I started

1083
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: crawling because in order to get yourself up off the

1084
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: floor to the chair, you have to crawl to get there.

1085
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: And as I was crawling and I was almost there,

1086
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: the crowd crumbled, and I was glad they crumbled so

1087
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: that they couldn't see me crying because I was preaching

1088
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: about him, but I was also talking about me, and

1089
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: I lost it, And I hope Pestor Matthew sees this tonight.

1090
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: I literally lost it myself in the message, because there's

1091
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: a point where you are the message, you become someone

1092
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: with the message until John one Pin fourteen materializes on

1093
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: that stage, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt

1094
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: among us, and we beheld the wonder of his glory,

1095
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: the only begotten of the Father full of truth and grace,

1096
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: until the word is made flesh and you are willing

1097
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: to pay the price of the kind of investment that

1098
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: personalizes the deliverance of the text, until you are really

1099
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: that that you are declaring you will always be impotent.

1100
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: Potency that penetrates the human soul is connectivity. And as

1101
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: you extrapolate from the text, the facts are nice to

1102
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: know that if you're not willing to invest your own pain,

1103
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: your own tears, and your own struggle, if you're not

1104
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: willing to re examine who dropped you and what you

1105
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: would have been had they not dropped you, and how

1106
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: you ended up in Lodobarrow when you should have been

1107
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: in the succession of Kings. And here comes a second

1108
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: chance that by bloodline you deserve, but by situation you

1109
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: can't imagine. And yet you start crawling. That crawl, brother,

1110
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: is what got you to this day. That crawl is

1111
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: what got me to this. That crawl is what gets

1112
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: everybody to wherever they're trying to go, crawling against the

1113
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: resistance of the adverse winds and the gravitational pool to mediocrity.

1114
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: Let me say this. I know we're running a town,

1115
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: but this is important for you to get Failing is easy.

1116
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: If we're climbing a rope, all you have to do

1117
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: to fall is let go. You don't have to study

1118
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: books on failing. Falling is simple. Just let go on

1119
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: a rope. The gravitational pool will always take you as

1120
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: low as it can until there is an obstruction. If

1121
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the floor gives way, it'll take you lower, if the

1122
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: ground gives where to take you lower. The gravitational pool

1123
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: is never satisfied at how low it will take you.

1124
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: And the only thing standing between you and it it's

1125
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: the grip you have on the rope. And so though

1126
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: your body weight is heavy, maybe not as heavy as mind,

1127
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: but heavy, and it is hard to pull the weight

1128
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: up higher, and your arms are aching and your sweating,

1129
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: and you're tired of everything and everybody drawing off of you.

1130
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: All you have to do is look down and remember

1131
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: that if you let go of the rope, your fate

1132
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: is sealed. And that's what makes you keep climbing. That's

1133
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: what keeps you on the wall, and that's why you

1134
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,719
Speaker 1: can't drop the mic. I want to say one other

1135
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: thing to you. You don't realize you have not met

1136
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: all the people that you were talking to. And the

1137
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: book talks about my ancestry and the antiquities of my

1138
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: faith and the ancestry of my bloodline. And my ancestors

1139
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: were what is now Nigerian, and they were from the

1140
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: tribe of Ebo, and they came as a couple and

1141
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: survived the tempestuous mental passage and did not throw themselves

1142
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: overboard in an attempt to drown themselves. Rather than to

1143
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: be penalized with the next four hundred years of slavery,

1144
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:37,480
Speaker 1: they chose to withstand the atrocities of the times and continue.

1145
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: And that's why I am here, and all of them

1146
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 1: are sitting in this chair with me, my grandmother, my

1147
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: great grandmother, and Grandma Nancy Jakes, who was born a

1148
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 1: slave and died a free woman that I remember. She's

1149
01:30:53,760 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: sitting here tonight too, and her father and mother are

1150
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: sitting here too, And my great grandfather, Willie James Smiley,

1151
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: whose brothers who lived on the other side of the

1152
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: street were called Williams because you got the last name

1153
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,799
Speaker 1: of who owned you. And though they were full blooded brothers,

1154
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: the street that separated them chains the name that defined them.

1155
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 1: And I cannot find them all, but they are all

1156
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: sitting in this chair with me today, I am saying

1157
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: that we are the sum total of everything that happened

1158
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: to all of those who came before us. That your

1159
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: grandmother is not dead. She's still living down inside of you.

1160
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: And your great grandmother, though you may not remember her,

1161
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: has some morsel of wisdom in the way you think

1162
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: and drink and process and move and live. And I

1163
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: am saying that, on the blood of all of those

1164
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: who went before you, you cannot be the generation that

1165
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 1: drops the mikes. You cannot, you cannot, you cannot set up.

1166
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: I want to say to you, if you're a white

1167
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: American and your people came over on aboute with much

1168
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: of nothing, running away from Great Britain and came to

1169
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: the possibility of another country, the wow foreboding tempestuous opportunity

1170
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: to break away from the domain and the dominion of

1171
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Great Britain and dare to establish a different kind of

1172
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: republic that promised freedom and liberty and justice for all

1173
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that it didn't fully live

1174
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: up to the promise, it dared to make the assertion.

1175
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: And if they own wagons with pairs of depth and

1176
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,520
Speaker 1: sickness and destruction, pressed their way into the inner fibers

1177
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: of this nation and took something and built something, and

1178
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: became something out of nothing, with no running water and

1179
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: no plumbing systems and no highways, no trains and no

1180
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: buses and no ovens and no microwaves and no Apple

1181
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: phones and no emojis and no twitters and nothing like

1182
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that to help them, and with drawing water out of

1183
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: wales and walking for mouths and cooking over live rocks

1184
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: and stones that were placed on wood instead of ovens.

1185
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: If they survived, then how dare you sit here, with

1186
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: all the stuff you've got and let anybody make you

1187
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: fair that you cannot make it, that you cannot take it,

1188
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: that you cannot rise above the fray and be something

1189
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself. If they survived cholera and disease and

1190
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: death and pneumonia and plague and freezing cold and bears

1191
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: and lions and prey, and build their houses out of logs,

1192
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: then how dare you sit in your nice brick house

1193
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: and your jacuzzi in the bags and say that life

1194
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: is not worth living. I stuck my hands in the

1195
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:54,839
Speaker 1: claw marks of the Africans, whose claw marks are still

1196
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: on the walls of Elmina, where they were fighting not

1197
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: to come to America. I ran my fingers down their

1198
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: nail prints. I smelled the stench of their body fluids

1199
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: that are still existing in the Spanish castles where they

1200
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: were held hostage, waiting on the next ship to come.

1201
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: I stared at the church that was above it, then

1202
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: noticed that the missionaries were also masters, who raped their

1203
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: daughters while they sang Amazing Grace. And I listened against

1204
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: the waters beating against the rocks, and thought, what kind

1205
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: of stuff must my ancestors must have been made out

1206
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: of to withstand all the perils and injustices and steal

1207
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: insist on sobriety. If we got up at four and

1208
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: we were in the cotton fields by six, and we

1209
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: picked till the sun went down, with bleeding hands and

1210
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: aching feet for days and days until we died, and

1211
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: never knew what a paycheck was. Ever, we were the

1212
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: first people to come to America with the sign will

1213
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: work for food. And the food was the pot liquor

1214
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: that the master left. And we eat what we eat,

1215
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: because that was all we could have with the feet

1216
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: of the pig and the neck of the pig, and

1217
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 1: the chintlings of the pig, because all of the finer

1218
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: cuts went to the master. And still we lived, and

1219
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: still we lived. And not only did we live, we sang.

1220
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 1: We sang while our fathers were hung and our mothers

1221
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: were raped. We sang, having got long to stay here.

1222
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: We sang against oppression and death and destruction from the

1223
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: enormous Pettis Bridge, with dogs turned loose and water holes

1224
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: its beating us down. We sang. We sang as the

1225
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: charred bodies of dead little girls were brought out of

1226
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: burning churches. We kept singing when they shot the thirty

1227
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: nine year old doctor Martin Luther King Jr. In the head,

1228
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 1: We sang while we cried, and we made it. If

1229
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: we survived colored bathrooms and extra water fountains, and survived

1230
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: the separations of having to learn in the basement of

1231
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: the churches and they were burning down by the KKK.

1232
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: If Black Wall Street was burned down in Tulsa, if

1233
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: we had to endure Rosewood and we still made it.

1234
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: You cannot sit there with your apple watch and your

1235
01:37:56,120 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: black skin and tell me you can't make it. There

1236
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: ought to be enough fight cavern. There ought to be

1237
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: anough fire cover. There up to be enough drive govern

1238
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: the conrectis come Hell or our water. I'm on the

1239
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: blood of all of my ancestry. I will not be

1240
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: the one who drops the light. I will not in

1241
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: here and let it die. Will not drop this my sad.

1242
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: I will not drop this SI again. I will not

1243
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: drop this slike side of gin. Will lot drop this

1244
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: slike giming my frid. If you survived the Holocaust, if

1245
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: you survived diversity, if you survived the Great Depression, if

1246
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 1: they survived the plans of the past, and all of

1247
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: the pneumonias and all of the dephtherias and all of

1248
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: the polios and all of the diseases and COVID, will

1249
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: not take me out. I will do whatever I have

1250
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 1: to do, and I will fight whatever I have to fight.

1251
01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: But I refuse to let it take me out, because

1252
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: I have too many ancestors who survive to get here

1253
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 1: and die without doing what I was created to do.

1254
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: I let nothing separate me from the love of God,

1255
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: neither height nor death, nor powers, nor principalities, nor things pasant,

1256
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 1: nor things to come. So this is my little down payment.

1257
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Don't drop the mic. It's just my little way of saying,

1258
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: don't you let nobody turn you round. That's the way

1259
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 1: we were saying, don't you let nobody turn you around.

1260
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: That's why they were singing on the Norman Pettis brig

1261
01:40:55,400 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Don't you let nobody turn you round, turn you around,

1262
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: turn you round, don't shoe let no bad turn you around.

1263
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 1: She poll walking up the Jeez Hollway. Don't you let

1264
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: no body turn you round, turn you around, turn you.

1265
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: Don't shoot yet, nobody turn you round. You got to

1266
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: keep on walking up the tee away. Don't shoot that nobody.

1267
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Don't let him turn you round. Don't let them turn you.

1268
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:54,879
Speaker 1: Don't you line, nobody turn you got the tiba walking

1269
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: up the cheese. They had the water holes on them,

1270
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: They had the dogs baiting them. They were bleeding and

1271
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: the hoses were cutting into their flesh. And all the

1272
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: while they were bleeding, they couple singing us on, I

1273
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let you turn it around. Keep Paul walking

1274
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: up the key highway. Don't choo let it what. I

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Speaker 1: can't hear you. I can't hear you. Don't to that nobody,

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Speaker 1: You got your teeth, poll walks, don't chew that. Nobody

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Speaker 1: turn you not author riders not hit replacement, not back sogery.

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Speaker 1: Don't you lighting tat you lie? You got your teeth

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Speaker 1: ball walking up the team. How don't you that? Nobody

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Speaker 1: turn you more? Tell you ah time, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Nobody tied you. You got some kippoll walking. This is America,

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Speaker 1: This is America, and we're doing one more time. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna help me. Don't do that, no bad time. You

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Speaker 1: don't love to turn you. Don't let her tell you.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that? Nobody you got some kidpoll whoa whoa

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Speaker 1: whoa Bishophidi DAGs everybody you got litening. It's over. It's ye,

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