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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Price Chill. Say that's got Todaysto and now
Speaker 1: your hosts, Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans. You know, it's only been about like five
Speaker 1: days or so, but it is oh so good to
Speaker 1: be back. And it's been longer. It's been a full
Speaker 1: week since we've had the Talking Cowboys crew back together again.
Speaker 1: Come on that, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, Kyle Yeomans
Speaker 1: were all back and we're ready. We're well rested, We're
Speaker 1: ready for the rest of the season. Exactly. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: It's not even a say it with your chest Friday.
Speaker 1: Yet it's a say it with your chest Monday again.
Speaker 1: Here on talking back in the Trust Tree. I missed
Speaker 1: you guy in the Trust Tree. Missed you guys. I
Speaker 1: missed you guys. So imagine imagine that Rob and Isaiah
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Robin Heckmer are the ones that said
Speaker 1: we miss people. And then Isaiah's you're sitting there smiling.
Speaker 1: He didn't miss any of this smoke. I didn't miss
Speaker 1: you guys, man, I miss you guys. It's been too long,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been too long. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, like we used to go on dates all
Speaker 1: the time and now we're just you know, now we
Speaker 1: had a little hiatus and now we're back, you know,
Speaker 1: so it feels kind of good to be back with
Speaker 1: the crew. Yeah, it's been a hole what six days?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like a yeah, that's like a middle
Speaker 1: school thing, like, no, you get off the phone. No,
Speaker 1: you get off the that's what That's how you feel.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it felt like whenever we pop
Speaker 1: back on the call today and we were like, goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: this this feels good, Like it just feels right, and
Speaker 1: we're ready to roll for another week of talking cowboys.
Speaker 1: And that's the fun thing is we're back for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year this way. Nope, no more switch ups.
Speaker 1: It was definitely fun. We had Nate Newton and Nick
Speaker 1: Eatman specifically on this show, and then of course outside
Speaker 1: what do you what do you like that he was there?
Speaker 1: Something that happened. Now, now here's the thing you are
Speaker 1: used to me and Isaiah getting to it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you had you didn't you were not ready? You would
Speaker 1: I could tell the look on your face. How when Nick,
Speaker 1: when Nick and Nate got into it, ye, you was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, well how do I get
Speaker 1: this show back on the He was ready on Wednesday
Speaker 1: because he brought props, when on Tuesday he was not ready.
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, I was. I had a feeling that
Speaker 1: was going to happen because because listen a little pull
Speaker 1: back of the curtain here. Nick actually kind of he
Speaker 1: at one point early before the show, he kind of
Speaker 1: looked at me and said, hey, bring up moral victories
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, Like I'll bring it up.
Speaker 1: I was like why, and he was like, just trust me,
Speaker 1: just bring it home. When I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: feel like something's coming here, and so I brought it up,
Speaker 1: and of course insanity ensued, and it went back and
Speaker 1: forth the rest of the show and even spilling over
Speaker 1: into Wednesday. So I was more prepared on Wednesday, but
Speaker 1: it was It was a blast and a ton of
Speaker 1: fun with with both those guys, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys had a ton of fun on your various shows
Speaker 1: as well, but there's nothing like the Talking Cowboys crew.
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you that right right now, there's nothing
Speaker 1: we Well, we appreciate you taking us off a suspension.
Speaker 1: We recognize that you kicked us out of the cool club.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're here, you're inviting us back, so we're
Speaker 1: grateful that, right, Yeah, the Commissioner's example list. Thank you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: You're welcome. But I doubt that's even remotely close to
Speaker 1: my pay grade. I don't think that's even close to
Speaker 1: the amount. No, no, I mean I mean for Heck
Speaker 1: and Rob Pie. I'm not sure if you guys remember,
Speaker 1: but when we asked why is it that you get
Speaker 1: to stay, Kyle, you said because I'm the host. Here
Speaker 1: was me and let us know where we were in
Speaker 1: a pecking order. Oh my goodness. Well, if you want to,
Speaker 1: if we want to talk about pecking order, I got
Speaker 1: a fun one for you to start off the day,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about specifically a stat that
Speaker 1: just blows my mind at the moment, and it's the
Speaker 1: fact that we are now in two week eleven, so
Speaker 1: going into week eleven of the twenty twenty NFL season,
Speaker 1: the division that the Cowboys are in the NFC East
Speaker 1: has a combined eleven wins. Eleven wins going into week
Speaker 1: eleven because of what happened over the bye week. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't lose, which is great. That's the first win
Speaker 1: of the bye week. The second win of the bye
Speaker 1: week is that Washington lost. The third win of the
Speaker 1: bye week is the fact that the Giants beat the Eagles.
Speaker 1: And so now you've got once again a week where
Speaker 1: you're going up against a good Minnesota team, but you're
Speaker 1: still a game and a half out of first place
Speaker 1: in the NFC East and it still seems like everyone
Speaker 1: else is reeling. Rob did you get a chance to
Speaker 1: watch any of those games? What is your thought on
Speaker 1: the NFC East right now? Because it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire at the moment. So you're saying there's
Speaker 1: a chance, a chance for people don't want to hear it,
Speaker 1: there is a chance. I think. I think if you're
Speaker 1: a fan, like it's the battle, I call it the
Speaker 1: Battle of the Gems. You got Jim Carrey who's saying
Speaker 1: saying there's a chance, and then you've got you know,
Speaker 1: the Jim Mora video from back in the day with
Speaker 1: the Colts where it's the whole playoffs thing, like playoffs, seriously, playoffs.
Speaker 1: I think that's the that's what you've got away if
Speaker 1: you're a fan. And I think if you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, I'm pulling for my team to always
Speaker 1: win games and try to get into the playoffs and
Speaker 1: try to make something of your season. But I think
Speaker 1: there's there's obviously a fan segment out there because we
Speaker 1: see it on Twitter all the time, you know, hashtag
Speaker 1: team tank and all that kind of stuff because they
Speaker 1: don't see this season ending with a championship because of
Speaker 1: all the injuries and you know, no Dak and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So but yeah, I mean, it's it is
Speaker 1: right there. It was such a weird day, like you said,
Speaker 1: because they dropped to last place, but in a way
Speaker 1: they close the gap just by sitting on their couch.
Speaker 1: So that's twenty twenty for you, and that's the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NFC East for you. And actually, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, and talk about moral victories, that's there. We
Speaker 1: are right there with all the losses in the NFC East.
Speaker 1: But Rob came up short of just calling the NFC
Speaker 1: East to complete dumpster fire and that's what's bad with it.
Speaker 1: It's bad. And and you know, I had my popcorn
Speaker 1: ready getting ready to watch the Giants and Eagles game
Speaker 1: and had the rud snatch from under me. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that about with Chris Beam a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but I did get a chance to see the game. Uh. Man,
Speaker 1: the Eagles are they suck. They are bad as bad
Speaker 1: as as we saw them last when we had been
Speaker 1: to Nuccia and man, if we had had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to just have any type of putting any drives together
Speaker 1: anything like, we would have beat those guys easily. That's
Speaker 1: just my feeling on how bad they are. But the
Speaker 1: NFC East is just there. And so every time, you know,
Speaker 1: we try and get out, they pull us back in.
Speaker 1: You start to seeing those little percentages start to add
Speaker 1: up and say to yourself, oh my god, we have
Speaker 1: a chance. And even with all of the injuries that
Speaker 1: we have, if you just look at the horizon, you
Speaker 1: it clearly there is a pathway to actually getting into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Crazy. We said it a long time ago,
Speaker 1: at least I know I said something. I said it
Speaker 1: a while back. It doesn't matter how you get in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It doesn't matter how ugly it is. But
Speaker 1: as long as you get in there, everything resets and
Speaker 1: you're now in a four game season, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. So it could look as ugly
Speaker 1: as it wants to. But as long as these guys
Speaker 1: have opportunity, they always have a chance to turn it
Speaker 1: on and start playing better ball. We recognize over the
Speaker 1: past few games they have been playing better ball. Right,
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit better, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that the actual bye week, everybody thinks it came at
Speaker 1: a good time, I think it came at a bad
Speaker 1: time because they would be that momentum. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 1: playing better. So we'll see how these guys bounce back
Speaker 1: against another great opponent. But I think I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Man, there's a chance. There's a chance, And
Speaker 1: that's all we gotta ask for this league. Rather whether
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're you're freaking nine and nine and
Speaker 1: oh or yeah, two and set, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: As long as you got a chance to win year
Speaker 1: and win your division. That's what the goal is. The
Speaker 1: first goal that you set forth in it when you
Speaker 1: go to camp. Now, and I actually gave the division
Speaker 1: a little bit too much credit. They actually only have
Speaker 1: ten combined wins through ten weeks of the season, so
Speaker 1: they're averaging they're averaging one win per week out of
Speaker 1: four teams. That's pretty darn bad. That's pretty awful. So,
Speaker 1: but Isaiah, I wanted to kind of turn that back
Speaker 1: around on you here and as a player in a
Speaker 1: bye week, what is it like coming back from a
Speaker 1: bye week? Because I mean, of course, like you said,
Speaker 1: it kills momentum from one standpoint, but you rest up
Speaker 1: in other standpoints and they kind of you have that
Speaker 1: balance back and forth. How tough is it to balance?
Speaker 1: And where does it start from a player's standpoint? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really depends on on the players. I would imagine
Speaker 1: with this, hopefully with the leadership from Mike McCarthy, I
Speaker 1: would assume that he that he probably made all his
Speaker 1: guys aware that he didn't want them to leave town.
Speaker 1: That that had been my advice. If I was him,
Speaker 1: I would want guys to stay close. I would want guys,
Speaker 1: even though it's a bye week, it's a bye week
Speaker 1: off of your legs and off of your body, um
Speaker 1: so much so versus actually just like leaving like we
Speaker 1: have to be engaged where we're in to think of
Speaker 1: these things. If you're if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 1: you're hitting your bye week and you're nine and old,
Speaker 1: guess what, guys, go kick it for you know, four days,
Speaker 1: go go hang out, have a good time, come back,
Speaker 1: be ready to grow. But when you're two and seven, fellas,
Speaker 1: I need you guys in the facility once a day
Speaker 1: watching film or at least hop hopping onto your tablet
Speaker 1: and watching film and staying engaged because we can't afford
Speaker 1: at any point in time right now to to to
Speaker 1: you know, slack off. You know, I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that what what what you just said, Isaiah is
Speaker 1: right on queue with what this team needs. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, if coaches having to tell them that,
Speaker 1: especially where they are, uh, that would kind of be disheartening.
Speaker 1: You're two and seven, You're you're starting to catch some
Speaker 1: type of rhythm, but guys have to stay in their playbooks.
Speaker 1: And you know, for me, over the bye week, I
Speaker 1: had an off oportunity to look over all the games
Speaker 1: again and just looking at the first quarter of the
Speaker 1: season and just seeing how in disarray we were with
Speaker 1: our whole scheme, and God's not especially on defense. God's
Speaker 1: just not understanding what was going on. You're still even
Speaker 1: up until this day seeing guys trying to get lined up,
Speaker 1: and I think those last minute trying to get aligned
Speaker 1: is allowing for gaping holes in our defense. Offensively, the
Speaker 1: offensive line has just not been healthy, so these guys
Speaker 1: have got to try. Well. Can see that if by
Speaker 1: being healthy, playing together, and just getting better as a team,
Speaker 1: it's gonna help the second half of the season be
Speaker 1: a success. Yeah, I didn't go back and watch the
Speaker 1: games like you did, heck, but I can only imagine
Speaker 1: the difference defensively, like what it looked like compared to
Speaker 1: the last couple of games, because it has been an improvement.
Speaker 1: To your point, Isaiah, I'd be surprised if anybody left
Speaker 1: town just because of the COVID stuff. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that's a message across the league trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: ensure don't leave town, stay, bubble up the best you
Speaker 1: can and try to get through this season, and especially
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys being in that intensive protocol last week
Speaker 1: as a precaution, the goal I think is to get
Speaker 1: back today and get back into meetings and I think
Speaker 1: we're going to hear from from Mike McCarthy later this
Speaker 1: afternoon for his press conference, so we'll see kind of
Speaker 1: where they are. But that's that's the whole other dynamic
Speaker 1: with this season. You know, it's a bye week and
Speaker 1: probably the best, the only thing you could do, or
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do, is just stay home
Speaker 1: and rest and try to heal up if you've been
Speaker 1: banged up. Now, we just learned that heckma did his
Speaker 1: homework over the bye week. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: homework we all did. I put my phone away. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get on Twitter. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: watch a ton of football. I watched the NFC East games,
Speaker 1: but that was about it. I didn't do any film
Speaker 1: or anything this past week. But heck, when when you
Speaker 1: were going about its short timers, man, whatever, whatever. So
Speaker 1: I do want to ask, so when you went back
Speaker 1: and you watch these games, was there specifics that stuck
Speaker 1: out to you that that kind of either caught your
Speaker 1: eye or raised questions in terms of not only the
Speaker 1: growth but maybe even in decay of some players. Whenever
Speaker 1: he comes from week one to week nine of the year, Man,
Speaker 1: you just had so many problems at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. I mean, if you could just categorize the
Speaker 1: first four games, it was like an amusement park. You
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were gonna get. Some of the
Speaker 1: coaching decisions things like that. I mean, it was really funny, man,
Speaker 1: the punts, the fake punts, and just it was comedy. Man,
Speaker 1: our first four games and says Cowboy fans, I'm sure, man,
Speaker 1: that roller coaster rod is not fun. But then over
Speaker 1: the next couple of games, it was just disaster. Defensively,
Speaker 1: guys just couldn't get a line. And with done Terry
Speaker 1: pole Man, it just it never clicked for him, and
Speaker 1: he was a lot of the problems that we were
Speaker 1: having in the middle of our defense. Him just getting
Speaker 1: dug out of there. And that's why those running those
Speaker 1: teams could just run on us at will. You know,
Speaker 1: they're just safety wise. I know we started off the
Speaker 1: season talking about what we needed, bringing guys in from
Speaker 1: off the street. Safety wise, Man, we don't have a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, Exavier Woods, you know, Blessed, it is hard.
Speaker 1: I think he's playing to the best of his potential,
Speaker 1: but it's just he's leaving a lot to be desired
Speaker 1: at the safety position, and we just haven't found that
Speaker 1: balance there. There are a lot of guys that need
Speaker 1: to be looked at, and I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are still on the roster that we need
Speaker 1: to talk about and see if they're gonna be here
Speaker 1: next year because we're not getting effort out of guys
Speaker 1: that we're actually paying big, good money to be here.
Speaker 1: So those are the things that I want to see
Speaker 1: over the second half of the season, just how those
Speaker 1: guys start to perform well. Whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: players that are gonna be here next year, And we
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this a little bit, but now,
Speaker 1: of course with especially the defense, and we saw the
Speaker 1: the addition via subtraction with Dantari Poe, and we've seen
Speaker 1: a little bit of a shift in the thinking of
Speaker 1: the interior of that defensive line over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: But also in the secondary, there's guys playing for their jobs.
Speaker 1: And I think Isaiah said this last week where it
Speaker 1: came to the point of Trayvon Diggs is now out
Speaker 1: for four to six weeks with his ankle injury or
Speaker 1: his foot injury. Now you're starting to find out who's
Speaker 1: gonna play alongside Trayvon Diggs next year in this secondary,
Speaker 1: whether it's the safety position or the corner opposite of them.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's the only one that's under contract past this season,
Speaker 1: so we've got a lot to talk about when we
Speaker 1: come back here on Talking Cowboys. We're actually gonna address
Speaker 1: some of those issues and address some of those players
Speaker 1: back and forth in a game I like to call
Speaker 1: groove on or move on. We're gonna take some of
Speaker 1: these guys that are contract players and we're gonna play
Speaker 1: gm on whether or not we want them to be
Speaker 1: back based on the first part of the season when
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Speaker 1: To Talking Cowboys, it's the second segment here of Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys here on this beautiful Monday morning from Frisco conle
Speaker 1: Yomans Hech Mohrrison, the great Rob Phillips, and our resident
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Champion isaiahs. Dan Back. Glad you're with us
Speaker 1: here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios, and man, it's
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, it's very very good to be
Speaker 1: back with you boys and talking some Cowboys football after
Speaker 1: the bye week. Hope everybody had a nice and rested
Speaker 1: bye week and the ready to get after it this
Speaker 1: week as the Minnesota Vikings are up next on the schedule,
Speaker 1: so I'd ease this going into the break. But there's
Speaker 1: a couple of players, to say the least, probably not
Speaker 1: as much as last year. I think last year we
Speaker 1: saw more roster turnover at least potential roster turnover than
Speaker 1: we are going to see this offseason. But I kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to get your gauge, your feelings on some
Speaker 1: guys through the first half of the season, or at
Speaker 1: least up until the bye week over half of the
Speaker 1: season now, and I wanted to hear whether or not
Speaker 1: you would keep these guys around if you were the GM.
Speaker 1: We're calling it groove on or move on in terms
Speaker 1: of the players that you have to deal with. And
Speaker 1: I've got one of two ways we can do this,
Speaker 1: and I'll let you guys decide this on air. We
Speaker 1: could either pick a specific player and debate about it
Speaker 1: for each person, or I could run down the list
Speaker 1: of avail or I guess unrestricted free agents going into
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one off season, which we're out there.
Speaker 1: You want me to throw it out there and I'll
Speaker 1: talk about him. Yeah, okay, so this is this is
Speaker 1: if the money is right, do we even want them
Speaker 1: on our team? Is ultimately what we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about here in terms of these guys moving into twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and Rob, you said it last week very well.
Speaker 1: I thought, based off of what Stephen Jones said and
Speaker 1: based off of what Jerry said and basically running it
Speaker 1: back from a Cowboys perspective. And we're gonna try and
Speaker 1: figure out who we're gonna run it back with. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start on the offensive line. Joe Looney. Do you
Speaker 1: think Joe Looney could be a valuable piece to this
Speaker 1: franchise moving forward at the center position. He is an
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent. We'll start with you, Isaiah. I'm keeping
Speaker 1: him only if he's willing to move to guard. You're
Speaker 1: still on that guard. I'm on, I'm on if he's
Speaker 1: playing a guard. Okay, Yeah, I'm okay, I'm I'm moving on,
Speaker 1: and I'm moving on because I want to develop McGovern.
Speaker 1: I think he gave you a little bit of something,
Speaker 1: a glimpse. Uh And be honest, is you know we
Speaker 1: know we're getting with beyondest. He's uh, he's the next
Speaker 1: guy up, and he's a lone lineage of great sinners
Speaker 1: and offensive linemen that are coming from Wisconsin. So I'm
Speaker 1: all in, Rob, I'm I'm grooving on Joe Jumbo. I think,
Speaker 1: uh now, is there. Are you saying, like maybe because
Speaker 1: you'd like to move one of the guards out to
Speaker 1: tackle potentially like a Connor Williams. Is that kind of
Speaker 1: what are you thinking or just in terms of that's
Speaker 1: a better spot for Joe. I think it's a better
Speaker 1: spot for him. I don't think Carter Williams is our
Speaker 1: is our guard. I don't think he can do that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like I like Blooney at guard. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously give him a whole offseason of working at it.
Speaker 1: I like his size, I like his experience there. You
Speaker 1: put him on a you know him, you know next
Speaker 1: to be honest, I like that combination there. I like
Speaker 1: him in his role that he he's going to be in,
Speaker 1: well he would have been in yeah. Yeah, where he's
Speaker 1: he's your backup center. And like Isaiah said, he could
Speaker 1: help you really either guard spot. Um, he hasn't played
Speaker 1: guard in a while really, but but I think that's
Speaker 1: the kind of valuable veteran depth, you know, like you said, Kyle,
Speaker 1: depending on the price, that I think can help your
Speaker 1: offensive line for sure moving forward. And I think you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to get him back for a
Speaker 1: reasonable bull contract. I think it's definitely doable to get
Speaker 1: Joe Looney back, but I agree it needs to be
Speaker 1: a depth piece. If he's coming back to be a starter,
Speaker 1: then that means something's wrong on your offensive line. That
Speaker 1: means either you you had somebody leave that you weren't
Speaker 1: expecting to leave, or you didn't necessarily get the draft
Speaker 1: pick you wanted. So I think ultimately, if Joe Looney's
Speaker 1: coming back to be a starter, you're in a little
Speaker 1: bit of trouble. Okay, So moving on, There's not a
Speaker 1: ton of unrestricted free agents that I don't see or
Speaker 1: that that I see on the offensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: or Cam Irving's another one, but we'll leave that where
Speaker 1: it's at. But let's go to Let's go to the
Speaker 1: defense and subside, and this is where the majority of
Speaker 1: them are. We're gonna start with Tyrone Crawford. Heckmu this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's been around forever. Are you moving
Speaker 1: on and grooving on? Man? And this is tough for
Speaker 1: me to say, because I liked Tyrone Man. He's he's
Speaker 1: given us a lot, He's been a leader on and
Speaker 1: off the field. But I'm moving on. I think in
Speaker 1: the new scheme he doesn't fit at just he's not
Speaker 1: able to make the plays or or I don't know
Speaker 1: how healthy is from the hip surgery. Also, so all
Speaker 1: things being considered, I think for the money that we're
Speaker 1: paying him, we could we could get more out of
Speaker 1: that position. So I'm moving on Rob. Yeah, I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's a situation for Tyrone
Speaker 1: where we'll see where he's at after the season, because
Speaker 1: I know, like Heckma mentioned it, the double hip surgery
Speaker 1: was something I think he had to weigh whether he
Speaker 1: wanted to fight through that, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: he talked to us earlier in the season about how,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a battle trying to battle through this,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been on the injury port, he hasn't
Speaker 1: been limited going through. But you know, we'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: at his age and the injuries he's had, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got to make a decision too on on whether
Speaker 1: where he's at in his career going forward. I did
Speaker 1: I didn't think he gave him something in the pass
Speaker 1: rush last week in that in that kind of they
Speaker 1: had a four man line where he's rushing from the
Speaker 1: in spot and they had I think they had tank
Speaker 1: and Alden inside so and with Gregory on the other
Speaker 1: spot outside that that that's that's a package just working
Speaker 1: for him. So we'll see, you know, we'll see how
Speaker 1: these last seven games go. I think they made a
Speaker 1: call Tyron, tell him to go get his stuff. He
Speaker 1: gonna get him about it here. Man. Yeah, he's making
Speaker 1: he's making a lot of money. Man, he's making a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And uh, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think you got some young some young goons out there
Speaker 1: that want to play some ball, and you know a
Speaker 1: place you got the draft, So I think you's got
Speaker 1: to move off for you. Tell him thank you, pat
Speaker 1: him on the button, Jason Garrett, huh all, I tell
Speaker 1: him gone and wrap up his career. Man. But he's done.
Speaker 1: He's done well for an organization. I know everybody's grateful
Speaker 1: for it. But it's time to shuit have downplayer. So
Speaker 1: and he's making nine nine point one million at the moment,
Speaker 1: he's already he's already thirty plus years old. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask the question, though, does it make a
Speaker 1: big difference the fact that he has been playing better
Speaker 1: over the last couple of games, Because I don't even
Speaker 1: think it was just this past week. I thought he
Speaker 1: played maybe his best two games of the year in
Speaker 1: a row. He played against Philly decently well, and then
Speaker 1: he figured out how to play better than that game
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh in Week nine. So does it change your
Speaker 1: mind at all? No, I'm not moving on because of
Speaker 1: his lack of um, you know production. I'm moving on
Speaker 1: just simply because it's just time to move on. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's been through a lot, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: like the stock market, right he writing it high. You
Speaker 1: know at some point in time it's gonna drop, so
Speaker 1: you want to you want to shake it before it drops. Man,
Speaker 1: I will say he's been he's one of my favorite guys,
Speaker 1: not just in the locker room, but also he's I
Speaker 1: know he's made a lot of money, but he has
Speaker 1: done a job that is not recognize enough over the
Speaker 1: years in terms of like he's had to play wherever
Speaker 1: he's needed. You know, he's never really been able to
Speaker 1: settle in one spot and I and that's that's a
Speaker 1: credit to him for being willing to play. Hey, I've
Speaker 1: kind of slimmed down for this position, maybe on the edge,
Speaker 1: but they need me inside. Okay, I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: pounding in there. You know, he's kind of doing he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's always been the good soldier, you know.
Speaker 1: I like that, and I think that's something that's undervalued
Speaker 1: with Tyrone Crawford as a whole, and it's been that
Speaker 1: way throughout his career. But I'm gonna move to a
Speaker 1: spot next to Tyrone. And you just mentioned the stock market, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned selling high, buying low. You want to make
Speaker 1: sure and kind of ride that star stock market market wave.
Speaker 1: Where's the stock for Alden Smith at the moment in
Speaker 1: terms of move on or groove on? Are you going
Speaker 1: to hi high on it? So you're grooving no matter what.
Speaker 1: I'm grooving for a nice little two year contract. I mean,
Speaker 1: give me, give me augu Smith for two years please. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a no brainer. I'm going, Yeah, I'm going. I'm
Speaker 1: grooving with all the smith Man he is. He's giving us.
Speaker 1: And you talk about a guy that four and a
Speaker 1: half years of not playing football that has come back
Speaker 1: and given us everything, and that's been all the smith Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely grooving. I'm grooving depending on the price.
Speaker 1: I keep saying that, But I mean I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about Robert Quinn last year, and you know, the market
Speaker 1: for him was really high, higher than maybe the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: definitely higher than the Cowboys that hoped. And yeah, Alton's
Speaker 1: been all. He got to a really hot start, and
Speaker 1: I think he still leads him in sacks. I think
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have traded They wouldn't they wouldn't have resisted
Speaker 1: trade offers if they didn't hope to get him back
Speaker 1: in the off season. But I do wonder. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be up against it with the cap and
Speaker 1: they've got other decisions to make. We'll get into it.
Speaker 1: So if he gets into a bidding war, potentially, if
Speaker 1: he hits the market first, then they might have to
Speaker 1: move on. But what's your price, RAPI, what's your price?
Speaker 1: What are you willing to pay him? Well? I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's like a two year deal and
Speaker 1: it's it's um you know, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: signing bonus would be, you know, if he if it's
Speaker 1: a deal like Robert Quinn where he's getting you know,
Speaker 1: ten twelve million bucks a year, I just don't know
Speaker 1: if you can do that, you know, But so you're
Speaker 1: willing to pay Crawford nine a year, but not Aldon
Speaker 1: Smith nine a year. Well, Crawford's not gonna be He's
Speaker 1: not gonna make that. That's a renegotiating thing. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no way. It's not gonna be the same salary. Just wondering,
Speaker 1: I know where you're going. Remind me never, never to
Speaker 1: go shopping with Rob. It's like, man, that would be
Speaker 1: really cool, but for the price. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't you know what it is. It's it's
Speaker 1: all these damn years with Mickey on the podcast because
Speaker 1: it's like everything it's like, well, how much is it
Speaker 1: gonna be? What's the know? How much does it cost?
Speaker 1: Much does it actually cost? Like shopping with your dad?
Speaker 1: There's a reason that that not wanting so right to be.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, you should probably go shopping
Speaker 1: with Rob. Probably help your style. Absolutely true. You're probably right.
Speaker 1: Rob's got he's got the drift today. Look at that jacket.
Speaker 1: Look at this jacket's the Cowboys Pro Shop. Heck, was
Speaker 1: just jealous because I can actually unbutton one of my
Speaker 1: my top buttons on my polo. Oh my god. So
Speaker 1: moving on before we continue on this, so before we
Speaker 1: keep going here, this is a restricted free agent? How
Speaker 1: about Antoine Woods? Heck, mo, would you keep Antoine around?
Speaker 1: That's how damn. That's how I know y'all are friends
Speaker 1: because like we have not been doing this show long enough.
Speaker 1: Beside Jones friendship outside of the show, that was cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let him let him live, man, it's all good. It's
Speaker 1: all good. H Antoine. He's a restricted free agent. Some
Speaker 1: money at this point is not really an option, or
Speaker 1: I guess it's not. I've been I really have been
Speaker 1: up and down on Antoine. Was but after done Terry
Speaker 1: Poe leaving and just seeing the win it he's filled in. Um.
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about the job
Speaker 1: that he's doing. And also just look, man, the Micael.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be looking at him for the next seven games,
Speaker 1: so let's see how he performs. And man, I was
Speaker 1: really you know, protecting the star, what he did with Juju,
Speaker 1: letting him know, hey, don't you walk to that star.
Speaker 1: He's probably one of my favorites right there right now.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it'd be hard to say anything bad
Speaker 1: about Antoine boy, you know. And I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: that approving. I'm glad you brought that up. Heck money,
Speaker 1: does that change a lot of what you thought about
Speaker 1: Antoine Wood specifically as a player. The fact that you
Speaker 1: know he's thinking about that and he wants to be here,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we've kind of been calling for
Speaker 1: on this defense. Yeah, well, I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: when you going back and looking at the other games,
Speaker 1: I mean, guys have definitely been trying to shame us
Speaker 1: and bully us, and you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers were
Speaker 1: just trying to continue that. And finally you see a
Speaker 1: game where guys are just saying, Noah, this is not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and his damn show not gonna happen at
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium. So you know, just taking pride
Speaker 1: in what you do and taking pride in your football
Speaker 1: team is won. So I mean that just lets me
Speaker 1: know that Antoine Woods is all in all making sure
Speaker 1: that he protects the brand. And that's you know, the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So I'm with him. He's front of West Coast, you know,
Speaker 1: he's about that life. Heck, so he won't let that happen.
Speaker 1: But I'm a ride with him because we got him
Speaker 1: for a discount double check right now, So I think
Speaker 1: we can. I think we can bring him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Mike Nolan said last week that he's becoming
Speaker 1: he's kind of emerged as a leader for those guys inside.
Speaker 1: You know what he's trying, you know, patch together this
Speaker 1: defensive line interior wise, with some of the injuries they've
Speaker 1: had and obviously moving on from Poe. So I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked to him in the offseason. I know he
Speaker 1: dealt with some injuries last year, had the knee, had
Speaker 1: a hip deal, and that was kind of frustrating for him.
Speaker 1: But I think he's come in and he's helped, He's
Speaker 1: given him something, especially those last two weeks. I think
Speaker 1: that's a huge credit to Antoine. Not only the protecting
Speaker 1: of the Star because I thought that was fantastic and
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman wrote a really nice piece about it on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com as well. And also not to
Speaker 1: mention Juju was his college teammate. I mean they both
Speaker 1: were USC guys and they were teammates at USC, and
Speaker 1: so not only did he say okay, throw the college
Speaker 1: allegiance aside, I'm still protecting the star here. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really cool, but also not to mention when
Speaker 1: we were at training camp prob it almost looked like
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods was the odd man out in terms of
Speaker 1: the interior of the defensive line. Whenever we had Poe
Speaker 1: come in and you had Gerald McCoy come in, and
Speaker 1: it looked like they were building something new. It almost
Speaker 1: looked as if Woods was going to be the last
Speaker 1: man standing, or at least the last man in the line,
Speaker 1: because you wanted to keep Tristan Hill, you wanted to
Speaker 1: keep Neville Gallimore, and then where's where's Antoine Woods. Well,
Speaker 1: he not only stuck around, but he's played better and
Speaker 1: he's continued to improve, and like you said a moment ago,
Speaker 1: he stepped up as a leader. Yeah, I would groove
Speaker 1: on with him one. I think he's somebody that's a
Speaker 1: little like kind of what we said earlier, a little
Speaker 1: underrated in terms of what he does and what he brings,
Speaker 1: but it's something this defense absolutely needs in the middle
Speaker 1: of it, for sure. The other thing with him is
Speaker 1: he was an exclusive rights free agent and he didn't
Speaker 1: sign his tender until right before training camp. I think,
Speaker 1: and you know, he wanted it. He wanted an extension,
Speaker 1: he has said that, and he didn't get it, and
Speaker 1: I think he was pretty motivated by it. So we'll
Speaker 1: see what they do in the offseason. When I mean,
Speaker 1: when they're at full strength. Obviously they're they're excited about
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, They're excited about Nevil Gallimore. But there's obviously
Speaker 1: gonna be rotation in there, and you know, a spot
Speaker 1: for a rotation next year. I like it. I like it. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the secondary. And these are three
Speaker 1: of the bigger, bigger, undrestricted free agent names coming up
Speaker 1: in this offseason. We're gonna start at the corner spot.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, What have you guys thought about him this year?
Speaker 1: And would you move on or groove on? Rob Man?
Speaker 1: This is tough. I love Jordan Man, He's um I
Speaker 1: would I would say, I'm gonna cop out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say we're gonna find out the last seven games. And
Speaker 1: I will say, when you're talking about a trio of
Speaker 1: dbs that are the seventeen draft pick guys that are
Speaker 1: all up, Cheeto, Xavier and Jordan, I don't expect all
Speaker 1: three to be back. I mean, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: make some changes, but we'll see. I mean, they haven't
Speaker 1: made enough plays on the ball this year. Let's let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, and I think going forward, they've
Speaker 1: got to be able to get more of that ball
Speaker 1: hawking at the cornerback position, kind of what we've seen
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs do a little bit. So um, I do
Speaker 1: think in his role as a slot guy, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna get to play more now we'll see. But they
Speaker 1: they've got to be able to be more active, getting
Speaker 1: hands on balls, being more productive in that regard the spotlight.
Speaker 1: The spotlight. The spotlight's gonna be on Jay Lou and
Speaker 1: uh A Woozier, and so these guys are gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some plays because they came into this this
Speaker 1: year knowing that they had to have big hears. I've
Speaker 1: been disappointed and Jay Lou Man, I think that he's
Speaker 1: giving up a lot even when he was playing in
Speaker 1: the interior. Um it's he just it's just giving up
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. So, um, I'm moving on. It's
Speaker 1: tough to say that I'm moving on, is zam. I
Speaker 1: like Jay luke Man. I like his fight. I like
Speaker 1: his fight, but at one hundred and thirty three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a game, mmm, I gotta I gotta roll on. Mmmm. Okay,
Speaker 1: so broke that broke down? Kind of going, yeah, he
Speaker 1: did broke that contract down pretty quick, didn't he. How
Speaker 1: about that math? That's the you doub that's your dog
Speaker 1: coming out the quick math. I have a large computer screen.
Speaker 1: You're not going task there. I like it. I like
Speaker 1: it there now, Rob, I kind of want to go
Speaker 1: based off of what you were saying a moment ago,
Speaker 1: and it actually adds to what Heckma said too. But
Speaker 1: you talked about playing it plays on the ball and
Speaker 1: with Jordan Lewis, this is a guy who, at least
Speaker 1: the last couple years, has been the big play guy,
Speaker 1: multi sacks, multi interceptions. He's always been around the ball,
Speaker 1: even in limited snaps. Well, this is the first year
Speaker 1: he's really had an abundance of snaps, or at least
Speaker 1: it seems like he's had an abundance of snaps. But
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that same sort of production. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Trey Von Diggs and with him now being out, is
Speaker 1: it up to Jordan Lewis to be that ball hawking
Speaker 1: type of player and somebody that's going to have to
Speaker 1: not only make interceptions but have find a way to
Speaker 1: get a sack or two in the last couple of
Speaker 1: games of the year. Oh. Absolutely. But that's why I've
Speaker 1: said I think I think this last seven games is
Speaker 1: a really important evaluation. If your defense can continue doing
Speaker 1: what they've done the last couple of weeks, where you're
Speaker 1: you're playing complimentary, you're getting a push up front, your
Speaker 1: linebackers are playing a little better. I think you're going
Speaker 1: to see an opportunities for the corners to play better too,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So I think I think they've
Speaker 1: just been on their heels the entire year. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been playing from behind, and so the play action
Speaker 1: comes into into play and all those things. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, absolutely, I mean they need
Speaker 1: they need more of that from their dbs. And you know, Trayvon,
Speaker 1: despite his mistakes and we've talked about that, that's got
Speaker 1: to improved. But some of his strengths I think are
Speaker 1: exactly what they're looking forward from the cornerback position moving forward. Heckma, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just where it is with Jay Lou.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is so much to be desired from
Speaker 1: our secondary period defensive line wise, I mean, if we
Speaker 1: could give more push and more pressure. That was sure
Speaker 1: make the job a lot easier on our corners as well.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of these guys have just been
Speaker 1: the usual suspects behind some of these big plays that
Speaker 1: you see. And so, I mean, we give terms all
Speaker 1: the time, like ball hawk, but if you're not a
Speaker 1: ball hawk, then let's just move on from the title
Speaker 1: and call you what you are. You know, you're a reserve,
Speaker 1: feeling guy. And we need for this young defense. We
Speaker 1: for this young defense, we need guys that are ball
Speaker 1: hawks and guys that want to make plays, and we
Speaker 1: haven't been getting it. So I don't want to say, well,
Speaker 1: you did good in the past, but you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: You know. Look, man, you're only as good as your
Speaker 1: last hit. Brother. That was harsh, No, it was that
Speaker 1: was nice. It's a season of giving. Heckma is so
Speaker 1: quiet reserve today. You just in the Christmas spirit already.
Speaker 1: You know, it's another week. It's another opportunity. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm renewed, I'm refreshed that opportunity to to you know,
Speaker 1: to simmer down from the last week's uh you know,
Speaker 1: the wee game, before the comments, the postgame comments. I
Speaker 1: had opportunity to woo saw who saw and I'm good
Speaker 1: now yeah? Oh man God, Okay, Well we're gonna pro linebackers.
Speaker 1: Uh well, there's just a couple of them. We might
Speaker 1: get to them here in a minute. I'm gonna finish
Speaker 1: this up. I gotta take away, gotta take a break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll hit the last two secondary guys.
Speaker 1: We'll probably do the linebackers tomorrow on Fans on the
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Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys. The crew's back at it again. Heck
Speaker 1: Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: Each of these three guys so glad to have them
Speaker 1: back here on Talking Cowboys. Each of them in their
Speaker 1: own rights are cornerstones to this show. And I just
Speaker 1: I know they all bring the fire whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to everything, every effort, every piece of Yeah, they're all cornerstones.
Speaker 1: What what damn it? What? Isaiah? What? What do you want?
Speaker 1: I just you're your your vocabulary today. I mean, is
Speaker 1: this Haven't heard you use that term before the corner stages.
Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good term. I like it.
Speaker 1: It's usually spot on when I say it that way.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're upset about it. I wonder why I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. So with that being said, let's
Speaker 1: move on to the secondary and just talk about the
Speaker 1: secondary and not talk about the linebackers that could potentially
Speaker 1: not be on this team. In twenty twenty one. So
Speaker 1: let's go to Xavier Woods. Heckma, you brought them up earlier,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have you started as well. But you
Speaker 1: talked about it whenever you went back and looked at
Speaker 1: the film, Xavier Woods stuck out as a as a
Speaker 1: big negative in terms of being just one of those
Speaker 1: neutral players that you needed to have something from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm moving on quick. Um, we're gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it a career here. Uh if if
Speaker 1: it were me, you like if he so uh yeah
Speaker 1: playing TM. Yeah, We're moving on. I mean it's just look, man,
Speaker 1: there's so many plays. I mean, this miss tackles, bad coverage,
Speaker 1: not really breaking on balls well at all for safety
Speaker 1: being it you know. I guess you want to blame
Speaker 1: it on the scheme a lot of times, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that may have been a quarter of it, but men,
Speaker 1: the majority of it is just missing assignments and missing
Speaker 1: tackles and just not making being able to make a
Speaker 1: play on ball. So I'm moving on, Rob Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think there there are some things
Speaker 1: he does well, or we see him do well recently.
Speaker 1: He'll come up in the box and he'll make some
Speaker 1: tackles and and and be physical that way. Um. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think we've talked about safety all year long,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, Diamond Wilson has showed them
Speaker 1: something I think in a rotation on the other at
Speaker 1: the other spot. But to me, that's going to be
Speaker 1: a spot in the draft where you look at and say,
Speaker 1: can we find somebody that, uh can really be a
Speaker 1: difference at one of those two spots, Be a difference maker,
Speaker 1: Be a guy that can you know, you know, affect
Speaker 1: things matchup wise and maybe played linebacker a little bit,
Speaker 1: do those kind of things. So they don't they haven't
Speaker 1: had that and maybe they maybe that's something they gotta
Speaker 1: find the off season. Isaiah, I'm going with the X
Speaker 1: on Xavier, we gotta get them up out of here. Uh.
Speaker 1: I like his effort, man. One thing you always didn't
Speaker 1: get from Xavier's effort right every play, even when he
Speaker 1: says that every play, Uh No, you gotta move on man.
Speaker 1: That's a position that we've been talking about for a
Speaker 1: very long time. I think that you need to obviously
Speaker 1: get some young guys and developed them. Reggie Robinson can't
Speaker 1: seen him, but then you also gotta get a veteran,
Speaker 1: approven veteran in there, approven veteran, uh to kind of
Speaker 1: be you know, the big big, the big dog back there,
Speaker 1: to kind of lead these guys, to show them the way,
Speaker 1: like the Mandalorian. So I think I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: they need that going into this offseason. But as far
Speaker 1: as the Xavier was, I think his his first initial
Speaker 1: kind of gives everything we need. Do you have something
Speaker 1: to add to that? Heckma Mandalorian. I love he got,
Speaker 1: he got the Mandalorian. He's bought out Erica Badu, we
Speaker 1: came Tarow. I mean, this guy's good. This the floors Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I've never met somebody that's so quick and witty with
Speaker 1: his random references as Isaiah is on not only this show,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing, like for all of you listening,
Speaker 1: like you might think he only has these ready for
Speaker 1: the show where it's the Jamesport backpack and it's the
Speaker 1: Mandalorian and this stuff in life. No, this is how
Speaker 1: he talks on a normal basis. Like we're just walking
Speaker 1: down the hall to go get coffee, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Isaiah just came up with a super witty reference I
Speaker 1: just wanted to throw that out there is it's it's fantastic,
Speaker 1: and that's where it's true. No, it's true. His head.
Speaker 1: His head is full of sayings from nineties sit Tom's like, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: you remind me. You remind me and my friends growing up,
Speaker 1: we're like we talk in movie quotes bases, like we're
Speaker 1: quoting like Adam Sandler movie Vias and stuff like that's
Speaker 1: what That's what we still do to this day. I
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, final guy, move on or groove on
Speaker 1: today and then we'll wrap things up here on talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But Cheeto Wi Lousier. I'm grooving on with Cheeto. And
Speaker 1: I know that he's had injuries throughout the year and
Speaker 1: it's kind of tough, and I know there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot that plays into that, Isaiah, but ultimately, this is
Speaker 1: still somebody I want to see with Treyvon Diggs in
Speaker 1: the future, and I want to have that back and forth.
Speaker 1: You can go out and draft another corner, and I
Speaker 1: actually advise going out and drafting another corner, but I
Speaker 1: still want Cheeto to be a part of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna ahead ride on it. I'm gonna go ahead,
Speaker 1: and I'm being a block I'm gonna roll with him,
Speaker 1: um something, because you know, I think we can get
Speaker 1: it for a good price, and we got him right
Speaker 1: now for a good price. I think he's a competitor.
Speaker 1: He's had he's had his injuries, but who hasn't on
Speaker 1: this team already, and uh, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think he's a really good competitor. I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: ever questioned his effort. I don't think anybody's ever questioned
Speaker 1: any aspect of what he does, simply about the side
Speaker 1: for the fact that he just has a team to
Speaker 1: get better. But as everybody else us, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ride with him, I'm gonna let him go ahead and compete.
Speaker 1: I think he's shocked. I'm thinking he's probably the only
Speaker 1: guy that you're probably sound with, aside from you know,
Speaker 1: developing digs. That's the only guy that you feel good about.
Speaker 1: You know, when when he's out there, you feel you
Speaker 1: feel you feel a lot better. You know, when you
Speaker 1: have you know Jordan Lewis, or when you have you know,
Speaker 1: any of these other guys out there, you don't feel
Speaker 1: as secure. And I think that's a testament regardless of
Speaker 1: how bad your team is, He's still one of the
Speaker 1: whate hundred defensive backs in this league, right, so you
Speaker 1: gotta respect him somehow. But yeah, I'm riding with him.
Speaker 1: I'm moving. Yeah, I'm moving. Um, yeah, I'm moving on.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, really just for him. I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that may benefit from a fresh start,
Speaker 1: some start somewhere else. I mean, I just I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it. I don't think we're ever gonna get it,
Speaker 1: And it's like wishing for something that's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get myself in trouble with Santa Claus
Speaker 1: in the tooth Fairy again. But but I want to
Speaker 1: say is that we could do better. We could do
Speaker 1: at a free agency uh, with another guy. I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think that he's going to
Speaker 1: be a part of our plans in the future. I
Speaker 1: would have said before this season, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Heckman did not get a Pepperman
Speaker 1: on his desk today, because I can tell he's a
Speaker 1: little angry as I mean these guys. Yeah, he's he did,
Speaker 1: I'm grooving. I guess I would have said before the season,
Speaker 1: probably no, just because the market could turn out where
Speaker 1: it's just not something you'd want to spend the money
Speaker 1: and resign. But he's been out for half the year,
Speaker 1: most of the year, so you know, there may be
Speaker 1: away financially to bring him back. And and I kind
Speaker 1: of think Xavier is the same boat. Like I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's out there, to bring guys
Speaker 1: back and compete for a spot in a rotation, I
Speaker 1: think that makes sense. But as far as like cornerstones go,
Speaker 1: I think when you're look talking about both these positions,
Speaker 1: cowboys need to be looking in the draft and looking
Speaker 1: in free agency to kind of see, you know, how
Speaker 1: can we get better, how can we create more competition
Speaker 1: at this these two positions, because you know, for most
Speaker 1: of the year it just hasn't been their proactivity wise.
Speaker 1: It's been that way for the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: If we're being honest, that word again, Yeah, cornerstone, Well
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it here for talking cowboys. We're gonna
Speaker 1: end it on that note from Isaiah in the bottom
Speaker 1: left hand corner just smirking his way into the final
Speaker 1: couple seconds of the show. But like we just talked
Speaker 1: about I mean, whenever it comes to the secondary, there's
Speaker 1: question marks like there has been in the past, and
Speaker 1: it's going to continue to be that way. The next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, in the last seven games of the
Speaker 1: year is going to tell a whole lot on how
Speaker 1: this team is going to look heading into twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of tryouts being had for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year and players going to have to
Speaker 1: step it up and continue playing better like we've seen
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. But that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us, for Chris Beam in the back, for heckm. Harrison,
Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, for Isaiah stand Back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: glad to have you back here after the bye week.
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