1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I want to 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: talk about some of the most powerful evidence we have 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: for the afterlife. Now. This is cases of young children 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: who remember past lives. This topic of reincarnation is a 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: serious study done by some very smart people at universities. 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: It's led by a remarkable person, doctor Jim Tucker. And 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Tucker is a child psychiatrist and he's in charge 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia, 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: and he has spent his entire career carefully looking at 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: the chance that our consciousness, the you, part of you 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: that thinks and feels, that lives on after our bodies die. 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: On our episode today, I have very interesting stories for you. 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Before we dive into this, I have a small confession 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: to make. I often hesitate to get into a conversation 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: about reincarnation because I have heard from so many frightened 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: parents that feel if their child who passed before them 33 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: is reincarnated, that they may never see them in heaven 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: or the afterlife. So while we're talking about reincarnation, I 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: want to just give you a few facts that have 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: me believe that while reincarnation may very well be real, 37 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to everybody. And there is a good 38 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: possibility that part of us can remain in the afterlife 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: and part of us could come back here. So before 40 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: we dive in. Here's just some basic things that have 41 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: me believe there's much more to reincarnation than meets the eye. 42 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: First of all, in the last two hundred year years, 43 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: our population in the world has multiplied by eight meaning 44 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: in eighteen twenty five, the world's population was around one 45 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: billion people. Now, if reincarnation was true for everyone, we'd 46 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: still have about one billion people. But currently we have 47 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: over eight billion people living on Earth. And also, over 48 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: the course of the world's history, one hundred and seventeen 49 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: billion humans have lived on this planet, so currently seven 50 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: percent of them are alive today. Where are all these 51 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: other billions of souls? I like the idea of reincarnation 52 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: because I recycle. Why would we only get one chance 53 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: to come here? If Earth is a place that we 54 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: get so much out of. However, this is an incredibly 55 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: intelligent universe, and what we've learned about consciousness and the afterlife, 56 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: we must believe that there's so much more that we 57 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: don't understand. Is it possible that part of us comes 58 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: back to Earth and part of us stays in the afterlife? 59 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: Sure it is. Is it possible that we reincarnate in 60 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: soul groups we meet back up with our family and 61 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: friends after many, many, many years, and all choose to 62 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: come back in together. Another possibility is that we don't 63 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: have to, that we choose to, or part of us 64 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: chooses to, something I find very interesting. Of the documented 65 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: over twenty five hundred cases of children reporting past life memories, 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: the majority of these cases are from India, where reincarnation 67 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: is a core belief. Very few come from Europe, North America, Australia, 68 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: very very few. So I ask that you listen to 69 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: this episode with an open mind. Don't have any fear 70 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: that you won't see somebody in the afterlife, because they 71 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: have reincarnated, You will see them. This question of reincarnation 72 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: is so important that doctor Jim Tucker and his team 73 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: at the Division of Perceptual Studies just recently received an 74 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: important grant of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It's 75 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: a two year project that started on January ninth of 76 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five cases of the reincarnation type or cort. Recently, 77 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: doctor Tucker was a guest on miam Bialyx's podcast. They've 78 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: spoken great depth about what doctor Tucker does. His research 79 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: focuses on young children who all on their own started 80 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: talking about memories from the past life. He and his 81 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: team have studied over two thousand such children from around 82 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: the world. The children in these cases I don't just 83 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: have vague memories. They often give surprisingly clear and detailed information. 84 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: They may tell the names of people they knew before, 85 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: places they lived, how they died, and even names of 86 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: family members who had passed away. This led doctor Tucker 87 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: to a big idea that there is a realm of consciousness, 88 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: a part of reality that interacts with our world, but 89 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: is also separate from it. When a person's physical body dies, 90 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: that consciousness can live on in a very different way. 91 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Tucker suggests that consciousness itself might be the most 92 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: basic thing in the universe, and that physical matter actually 93 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: comes from it. This idea is also hinted at by 94 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: very famous early scientists in quantum physics, like Max Plank. 95 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: One of the most powerful examples you might have heard 96 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: of is the case of James Leininger. This little boy, 97 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: the son of a Christian couple in Louisiana, started having 98 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: terrible nightmares around his second birthday. He'd scream airplane crash 99 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: on fire, little man can't get out. During the day, 100 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: he'd crashed his toy airplanes into the coffee table, saying 101 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: the same things over and over. His parents were completely 102 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: confused at first, but then they started asking him about it. 103 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: James said his plane was a coarse air and that 104 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: it was shot down by the Japanese. He also said 105 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: he flew off a boat named Natoma. This happened back 106 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand and his father, who was very skeptical 107 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: at first, started looking things up online. He found out 108 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: about the USS Natoma Bay, an aircraft carrier that was 109 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: indeed in the Pacific Ocean during World War Two, and 110 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: it did carry corsair planes. The specific details just kept 111 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: coming from little James. He mentioned a pilot named Jack 112 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Larson at two and a half years old, looking at 113 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: a book about a place called ewo Jima, James pointed 114 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: to a picture and said, that's where my airplane got 115 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: shot down. As james father looked deeper. Even going to 116 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: a reunion for the Ntoma Bay ship, he learned that 117 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: there was indeed a Jack Larson on that ship. Even 118 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: more amazing, he found out that only one pilot from 119 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: the Tooma Bay was killed during the Ewogima operation. That 120 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: was a young man from Philadelphia named James Houston. That 121 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: meant if young James Leninger was truly remembering a past life, 122 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: he had to be recalling the life of James Houston. 123 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: Young James also said his plane was hit in the 124 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: engine and crashed into the water. People who uaw James 125 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Houston's crash confirmed his plane was hit dead on right 126 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: in the motor and quickly sank into the water. Jack 127 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Larson was confirmed to be flying next to Houston on 128 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: the day he was killed. What makes his case so important, 129 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: as doctor Tucker has pointed out, is that these very 130 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: specific details were written down and known before James Houston 131 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: was even identified. There was even an ABC News television 132 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: interview where James's parents talked about his amazing statements before 133 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: they knew anything about James Houston. Papers including emails, proved 134 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: that these facts were unknown to the family when James 135 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: was saying them. Doctor Talker says he has not heard 136 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: any good explanation that can completely dismiss the case, even 137 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: after someone wrote a long article trying to prove it. 138 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: The exact, provable details are simply far too many and 139 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: far too accurate to be a coincidence of something that 140 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: the parents made up. This case along with the thousands 141 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: of others that doctor Tucker has looked into, strongly suggests 142 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: that these children are not pretending or somehow getting information 143 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,119 Speaker 1: their parents already knew. The way these stories are consistent 144 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: and specific across many different cases and many different cultures 145 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: all over the world gives very powerful proof that consciousness 146 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: can survive beyond the body. Now, if you go on 147 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: YouTube and type in James Lininger Reincarnation, you'll find interviews 148 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and so many more stories of the things that young 149 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: James said that turned out to be true. The full 150 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: story was written in a book by his parents. It's 151 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: called called Soul Survivor The Reincarnation of a World War 152 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Two Fighter Pilot. Here's another story. What does a mother 153 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: do when her two year old son, who has never 154 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: been taught the game, spends his days swinging a bat 155 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: with perfect form. For Kathy Bird, it was a mystery 156 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: that would unravel everything she thought she knew about life 157 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and death. Her son, Christian started talking. He told his 158 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: mom with certainty that only a toddler can possess. I 159 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: used to be a tall baseball player. Of course, Kathy 160 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: was confused. Neither she nor her husband were baseball fans, 161 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,119 Speaker 1: Where was this coming from? Christian started talking about traveling 162 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: on trains, staying in hotels across the country, and a 163 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: rivalry with another baseball player named Babe Ruth. The turning 164 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: point came one day when Cathy showed Christian photo of 165 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: the famed nineteen twenty seven New York Yankees. Do you 166 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: see anyone in the picture who didn't like Babe Ruth? 167 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: She asked, Testing a theory without hesitation, Christian's tiny finger 168 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: pointed directly to a man with kind eyes and prominent 169 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: dimples and said, that's me. He was pointing to legendary 170 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: lou Garig. The puzzle pieces began to lock into place, 171 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: each one more impossible than the last. Christians spoke about 172 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: how Gerig's parents, both German immigrants, were poor. He talked 173 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: about how Garig died not from a specific illness he 174 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: could name, but because, as he put it, his body 175 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: just stopped working. This story is now featured in the 176 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: book The Boy Who Knew Too Much, an astounding true 177 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: story of a young boy's past life memories. It's time 178 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: for our break, and we're going to delve into more 179 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: reincarnation stories when we get back. You're listening to Shades 180 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 181 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 182 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and during the break, I had a thought. 183 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: I remember that some people speculate that reincarnation may not 184 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: be real. But on the other hand, people who claim 185 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: to be reincarnated perhaps are very mediumistic kids that remember 186 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: the past lives of someone else that it may not 187 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: be their own. So just something to think about. However, 188 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about doctor Jim Tucker, who's been given this 189 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars grant to study reincarnation. 190 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: He brings up something very surprising and for many it's 191 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: a very difficult part of the research to believe. We're 192 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about birthmarks and birth defects. Now. Doctor 193 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Ian Stevenson started the Division of Perceptual Studies before doctor Tucker, 194 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: and he found many, many cases where children not only 195 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: remembered a past life, but were also born with birthmarks 196 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: or even physical problems that matched the wounds from the 197 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: person they remembered being. Often these remarks of how the 198 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: person died, like a scar from a knife wound or 199 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: a specific burn mark. I know this could sound like 200 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: a wild idea, and even doctor Tucker himself admitted it 201 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: seems strange to him when he first heard about it, 202 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: but he explained it by thinking about how really bad experiences, 203 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: like a very hurtful injury or a traumatic death, can 204 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: leave a very strong mark on a person's consciousness, their 205 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: soul memory. It's not that the actual physical wound jumps 206 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: from one body to another. Instead, the very strong feeling 207 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: and image of that hurtful event can somehow affect the 208 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: new baby's developing body before it's born. Interesting to think about. 209 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: We already know that strong thoughts can cause real changes 210 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: in our bodies right now, like how feeling nervous can 211 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: make our hearts beat super fast or our stomach's hurt. 212 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: So this idea takes that thought even further, suggesting that 213 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: the very strong, often traumatic feelings of a violent death 214 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: can somehow leave a physical mark on a new physical 215 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: body when a child is born. Anyways, doctor Tucker and 216 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: his team have also seen some interesting patterns in these cases. 217 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: A big discovery is about seven out of ten children 218 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: who remember past lives recall being someone who died in 219 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: a sudden or unnatural way. This includes things like murder, suicide, war, 220 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: or accidents. The number is actually much higher than you'd 221 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: expect in everyday life. Even the people who died naturally 222 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: in these cases often died very young, about one fourth 223 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: of them being under fifteen years old. This makes doctor 224 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: Tucker and his team wonder if life ending too early 225 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: or in a difficult way make it more likely for 226 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that person's consciousness to come back to our world and 227 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: for their memories to show up in a young child. 228 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: It's almost as if these difficult or sudden endings make 229 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: the consciousness stay close to this world and then come 230 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: back in a way that allows the memories to be 231 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: more easily accessed. Here's a story from Ohio about a 232 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: little boy named Luke. At just two years old, Luke 233 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: started telling his parents that he used to be a 234 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: girl named Pam. His family wasn't religious, they certainly hadn't 235 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: talked about past lives. Luke even named a ladybug Pam. 236 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: He insisted he was a girl with black hair and 237 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: earrings in his previous life. When his mom, baffled asked 238 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: him what happened to Pam, Luke calmly replied that he 239 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: died in a fire. He being Pam. He explained he 240 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: had jumped from a burning building in Chicago. His mother, intrigued, 241 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: researched online. She found that in nineteen ninety three, a 242 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: fire at the Paxton Hotel in Chicago, a building that 243 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: housed many African Americans, had indeed trapped residents on an 244 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: upper floor. One of the victims was a woman named 245 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: Pamela Robinson, who died jumping from the building. Luke's mother 246 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: even found a video of Pam and Luke immediately recognized her, saying, Mommy, 247 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: that's Pam. I miss her. This case is striking as 248 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: this is a boy claiming he was a girl in 249 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: a past life, showing that we can change genders. The 250 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: next story takes us to Scotland a boy named Cameron 251 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: born in the year two thousand. Cameron began speaking about 252 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: a previous life on the remote island of Barra from 253 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: the age of two. He spoke constantly about his other 254 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: mommy and daddy and desperately wanted to go back to 255 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: his other family. He gave specific details, including his previous 256 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: family's surname, the color of their old house, and even 257 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that his previous father had been killed by a car. 258 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: These were details a two year old from Glasgow, Scotland 259 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: would have no way of knowing. When Cameron was five, 260 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: his parents, both of course skeptical, decided to take him 261 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: to the town. As they drove around this small island, 262 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Cameron began pointing out landmarks that he recognized, including his 263 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: old house, a beach where he used to play, and 264 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: even the exact spot where his father had been hit 265 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: by the car. They found the house he described, and 266 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: the details matched perfectly. This is one of those cases 267 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: that's so compelling due to verifiable geographical and family details 268 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: provided by such a young child. Now here's a heartwarming case, 269 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: slightly eerie, about a child who claimed to be his 270 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: own grandfather reincarnated. This is the case of a little 271 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: boy named Sam, whose father Ron heard his son say 272 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: a very strange thing before he turned two years old. 273 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: He said, when I it was your age, I changed 274 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: your diaper. Over the next few months, Sam made similar remarks, 275 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: making Ron and his wife Kathy pieced together an odd story. 276 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: Sam believed he was Ron's deceased father, his own grandfather. 277 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: When asked how he came back, Sam, even as a 278 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: little two year old said, I just went whoosh and 279 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I came out the portal. This was the word his 280 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: parents never used. Then the story took a darker turn. 281 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Sam mentioned he had a sister who turned into a fish, 282 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: killed by some bad guys. This is where it gets eerie. 283 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: His grandfather had a sister who had been murdered sixty 284 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: years earlier, her body found floating in San Francisco Bay. 285 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: When asked how he himself died, Sam's slap the top 286 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: of his head, as if in pain. His grandfather had 287 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: in fact died of a cerebral hemorrhage. This remarkable case 288 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: where a young child seemingly embodies his own grandfather with 289 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: memories of family and even the method of death, offers 290 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: a profound glimpse into the continuity of family bonds across lifetimes. 291 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: It suggests that loved ones can return and remain intimately 292 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: connected to us. Doctor Tucker mentioned that his group is 293 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: actively exploring these fascinating links between past life memories and 294 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: physical marks or patterns of death. They are even planning 295 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: to conduct tests with these children similar to those used 296 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: for people who have experienced very tough events like PTSD, 297 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: to see if there are any comparable patterns in their 298 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: brains or minds. They are also looking at individuals with 299 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: exceptional personal memories to see if a heightened memory capacity 300 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: might play a role in how these memories are retrieved. However, 301 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: doctor Tucker noted that most of these children do not 302 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: display other special mind powers like seeing the future, which 303 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: suggests it's not a general open channel, but something more 304 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: specific to the past itself. Ultimately, doctor Tucker's work, particularly 305 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: his careful and systematic study of these cases, offers the 306 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: closest we currently have to a scientific understanding of consciousness 307 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: existing outside of the current physical form through reincarnation. It 308 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: forces us to confront the limits of a purely physical 309 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: way of looking at the world. It asks us to 310 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: think and to assume that there must be more to 311 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: this life than meets the eye, more than just physical 312 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: And you know, we talk about consciousness surviving physical death 313 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: quite often here on Shades of the Afterlife. One last 314 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: quick story and you'll have to hear the whole thing 315 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: way back on episode eight, But I remember talking with 316 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: mom Susan Messino about her son Jamie and his incredible 317 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: experiences related to the ship the Titanic. Jamie was just 318 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: three or four years old when he first saw the 319 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: movie Titanic. From that moment on, he became completely fascinated 320 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: with the ship. Over the next two years, he drew 321 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: and painted over fifty detailed pictures of the Titanic, all 322 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: from memory. He knew how the ship was built, its 323 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: exact layout, and even cried over the men trapped in 324 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: the boiler room, saying it shouldn't have happened that way. 325 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: One detail he revealed was about the ship's smoke stacks. 326 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: Jamie told his mom that one of the four smoke 327 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: stacks on top of the ship was a dummy stack. 328 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: It was just for show and not real. Years later, 329 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: through documentaries about the Titanic, mom Susan discovered that this 330 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: was indeed true. Little Jamie also suffered terrifying nightmares where 331 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: he'd scream She's going down, as if reliving the sinking 332 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: of the ship. With all the details that little Jamie had, 333 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Susan Messino and family believe that Jamie used to be 334 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: Thomas Andrews, the ship's designer who went down with the Titanic. 335 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: Many brilliant minds throughout history have pondered and accepted the 336 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: idea of reincarnation. For instance, the great American writer Ralph 337 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Waldo Emerson beautifully captured this thought when he said, the 338 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: soul passes into other habitations, for the soul is immortal, 339 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: and all things subsist, and do not die, but only 340 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: retire a little from sight, and afterwards return again. And 341 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: poet Walt Whitman said, I know I am deathless. I 342 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: no doubt have died myself ten thousand times before. Even 343 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said live so that thou mayest 344 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: desire to live again, for in any case thou wilt 345 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: live again. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades 346 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, 347 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of 348 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and we're talking about the 349 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: reincarnation research of the fascinating doctor Jim Tucker and the 350 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: survival of consciousness. Before we get onto more stories, you 351 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: may wonder what happens to these children when they begin 352 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: growing up? Do they remember their past life memories? The 353 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: older they get well, usually between five and seven years old, 354 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: these children stop talking about their past life memories. Doctor 355 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: Tucker thinks it's for a few different reasons. They get 356 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: more interested in school friends, playing, you know, doing things 357 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: that kids do. But it also matches how we adults 358 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: often lose our early childhood memories, something that's called childhood amnesia. 359 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: Our brains change a lot as we grow up, and 360 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: old memories, even from this life, can fade. It just 361 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: makes sense that past life memories would fade too. However, 362 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: doctor Tucker and his team recently did a study where 363 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: they talked to adults who were once these children. The 364 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: results were mostly good. These adults were doing just fine 365 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: in life. Many had finished college, and some even had 366 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: higher degrees. They worked in all kinds of jobs. While 367 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 1: none of them remembered things as clearly as they did 368 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: when they were little, almost half still had some vague memories. 369 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: More importantly, many said that their childhood experiences gave them 370 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: a more spiritual way of looking at life, even if 371 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: they didn't remember all the little details. For most of them, 372 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: it was a good experience in the long run, even 373 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: if it was a bit confusing or hard for them 374 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: and their parents when it was happening. This conversation also 375 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: touched on bigger ideas from doctor Tucker's work. He was 376 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: asked to speak simply without his doctor Tucker had on 377 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: about what he truly believes is happening. His answer was 378 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: very deep, as I have become quite convinced that there's 379 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: more than just the physical world. There is this element 380 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: or realm of consciousness, and that we all have a 381 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: piece of it. He believes that sometimes this consciousness comes 382 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: back to the same world in a young child. Even 383 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: though this doesn't give us all the answers, it strongly 384 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: suggests that just looking at the physical world isn't the 385 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: whole picture. It means we're missing this important consciousness piece. 386 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: He even quoted Max Plank, a famous scientist known as 387 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: the father of quantum theory, who said that consciousness is 388 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: the most basic thing, and everything physical comes from it. 389 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: This fits with the idea that our reality, at its 390 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: very core, grows out of consciousness itself. This way of 391 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: thinking opens up a whole new way to see our existence. 392 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: It suggests that the universe and everything in it is 393 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: not meaningless. It's not just some random collection of molecules 394 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: floating around without any purpose. Instead, there is meaning, and 395 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: we can create meaning in our lives as part of 396 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: this bigger connected picture. As for the Akashic records, this 397 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: is an idea from old Eastern spiritual traditions that there 398 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: is somewhere a huge, never ending database of everything that 399 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: has ever happened. Doctor Tucker mentioned it as one possible 400 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: way that information from past lives might be accessed. While 401 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: doctor Tucker doesn't fully support this, he agrees that this 402 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: realm of consciousness could hold all kinds of information that 403 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: just exists and can be retrieved, but not necessarily survives 404 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: in the way we usually think of survival. Now, let's 405 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: get back to some more story that doctor Tucker and 406 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: his team have studied. Our next story takes us to 407 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: the glitz and glamour of old Hollywood, as seen through 408 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: the eyes of a four year old boy named Ryan 409 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. Started telling his mother Cindy, that I used 410 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: to be someone else. He'd point to the Hollywood sign 411 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: on TV and say that was his home and he 412 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: desperately wanted to return there. Ryan gave fifty five specific 413 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: statements about his previous life. He said he was a dancer, 414 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: an actor, and later a talent agent who lived in 415 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: a big house with a pool and fast cars. He 416 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: mentioned his favorite restaurant in Chinatown, his large collection of sunglasses, 417 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: and that he had several wives. He even named his 418 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: Hollywood agent friend George, and a tap dancer friend named Jean. 419 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Mom Cindy initially bewildered borrow books about old Hollywood from 420 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the library. As she and Ryan looked through one particular book, 421 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 1: Ryan became incredibly excited. He pointed to a picture from 422 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: an old movie and shouted, Mommy, that's George. We did 423 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: a picture together. Then he pointed to another man in 424 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: the photo and said, and that's me. The man he 425 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: pointed to was later identified as Marty Martin, a dancer, actor, 426 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: and a talent agent who died in nineteen sixty four. 427 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Marty Martin's daughter later met with doctor Jim Tucker and 428 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Ryan's family, and she confirmed that more than fifty details 429 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: that Ryan had reported about her father's life were true. 430 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: This case is powerful because of the many specific, proven details, 431 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: all given by a young child who had no clear 432 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: way of knowing such information. Now, let's move on to 433 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: Northern India. A child na aimed Bishon Shan Kapoor, at 434 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: only ten months old, Bishen started saying a word that 435 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: sounded like the name of a town about thirty one 436 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: miles away. As he grew, he began speaking more and 437 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: more about a previous life in Pilibate. He consistently mentioned 438 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: specific details, including his previous name lax Me Narrin, and 439 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: even named his former uncle. He said his past father 440 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: was a wealthy landowner. When Bishon was four, an investigator, 441 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: doctor Ian Stephenson, arranged for him to visit the town 442 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: of Pilibit. As their train passed a certain area, Bishin 443 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: demanded to get off, said he recognized it. During the visit, 444 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: he recognized various locations and made accurate statements about his 445 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: previous life as Laxmi Narain, who had died of a 446 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: fever at the age of thirty two. In one amazing moment, 447 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: Bishon was able to reveal the exact room where his 448 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 1: father had hidden a stash of gold coins. He also 449 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: spontaneously recognized a shop that his reincarnated self had owned. 450 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: This case is amazing due to the details and the 451 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: provable facts, including information about a hidden treasure that this 452 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: young child could not have possibly known. Now in Thailand, 453 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: we have a unique story of Bam Kouk Promson born 454 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two at one year and eight months old, 455 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: he began telling his mother, this is not my home. 456 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: Over the next two years, he repeatedly claimed his name 457 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: had been Shamrat and that his family was originally from Laos, 458 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: and disturbingly, that he had been murdered by two men 459 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: while attending a fair in a nearby village. He also 460 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: gave their names and described the event in detail. This 461 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: little boy asked to be taken to the town. When 462 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: they got there, they found the evidence was correct and 463 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: Shamrat had indeed been murdered. In nineteen fifty four, at 464 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: the age of eighteen, the two families, who previously did 465 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: not know each other, met. Shamrat's family checked almost all 466 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: of Bonkuk's statements and proved them to be true. Astonishingly, 467 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: Bonkuk was able to point out and identify the two 468 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: men he claimed were his murderers, and his descriptions matched 469 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: their known identities. This is one of the most powerful 470 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: cases for its specifics, including the naming and identification of 471 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: criminals from the past, making it very hard to explain 472 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: that this could happen by any normal means. The next story, 473 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: also from Thailand, introduces us to Ampan, a girl who 474 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: from the age of one, insisted she had another mother 475 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: and father in a village about fifteen kilometers away. What 476 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: makes Ompan's case particularly striking is that she claimed to 477 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: have been a boy in her previous life. She described 478 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: her former house and various objects within it. She vividly 479 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: recounted how she had died after being bitten by a 480 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: snake and then drowning. As she grew older, Ompan showed 481 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: strong masculine ways, preferring to dress as a boy and 482 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: wear trousers and actively participating in boys games like boxing, 483 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: behaviors very unusual for girls in her culture. When Ompan 484 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: was seven, she suddenly recognized a woman she saw in 485 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: the street as her aunt from her previous life. She 486 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: ran up to the woman, she hugged her, and urgently 487 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: asked her to be taken to her previous family. When 488 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: they visited the village, many of the details matched her accounts. 489 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: Tucker's general advice to parents who have a child with 490 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: unusual memories is both caring and practical. He suggests being 491 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: open and letting the child talk about their experiences, especially 492 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: if they show strong feelings about them. However, he also 493 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: advises avoiding too much focus or constantly asking the child 494 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: about the past life, as this could upset them or 495 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: even lead them to make up answers. Instead, parents should 496 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: listen and accept their child's memories, but also help them 497 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: understand that they are safe and loved in their current life. 498 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: He gently reassures parents that these memories usually fade naturally 499 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: as the child grows older, and most of these children 500 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: grow up and develop just fine. Ultimately, Doctor Jim Tucker's 501 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: work encourages us to reconsider our understanding of who we are. 502 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: We are not just physical bodies. We are souls on 503 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: a profound and continuing journey. Is research, even when it 504 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: goes into areas that some might find strange or hard 505 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: to accept, is fundamentally about understanding that our consciousness never stops. 506 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: It helps us to see the deep purpose behind our 507 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: temporary physical life, reminding us that we are spiritual beings 508 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: having a human experience. We're learning, we're growing, We're expressing 509 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: love as part of an amazing journey that continues on now. 510 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: There are no stories of people remembering past lives as animals, 511 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: But for me, Sander Champlain, if I was to be reincarnated, 512 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: I'd choose to be a Housecat, not for the nine lives, 513 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: but for the eighteen hours of guilt free napping every day. 514 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: It's time for our break. We'll be right back with 515 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: more stories. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 516 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and to cost AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 517 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're 518 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: talking about kids in their past life memories. I am 519 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: reminded that I have talked about reincarnation a few times before. 520 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,959 Speaker 1: Besides the previous episodes I mentioned earlier, Episode seventy two 521 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: gives a bunch of the details about that Hollywood story 522 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: and the incredible evidence. Also, episode one twenty six I 523 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: titled Mom, I Was Your Dad. That's all about the 524 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: incredible kid's past life memories. Now let's get to some 525 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: more story, shall we. Oh, But before I do, if 526 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: you're interested in finding out more of this work, the 527 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: website's kind of confusing, But if you just want to 528 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: type into Google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation, you will 529 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: be taken to the University of Virginia and you can 530 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: explore more there. This next story comes from the country 531 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: of Turkey involving a six year old boy identified as Ka, 532 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: who claimed to remember a past life as a rich 533 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: man in Istanbul, some eight hundred and fifty kilometers away. 534 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: Ka spoke of living in a large three story house 535 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: right on the water, with boats tied up outside and 536 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: a church behind it. He said people called him Fistique 537 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: in that his wife and children had Greek first names. 538 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: He vividly recalled his wedding taking place at Bodrum, a 539 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: coastal village. Disturbingly, he claimed he had been shot and 540 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: killed and that his wife was involved in the murder. 541 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: Researchers later investigated his claims and found a man named 542 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: Caracas who lived in Istanbul, who was indeed a wealthy 543 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: Armenian Christian. He fit many of kas descriptions, including living 544 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: in a large house in Istanbul with boats tied behind it. 545 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: Caracas was also known to have a wife from a 546 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: grief Orthodox family whose family disapproved of the marriage. He 547 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: in fact was shot and killed, and there was indeed 548 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: talk that his wife was involved in his death. Next, 549 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: we have an extraordinary case involving a modern child and 550 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,479 Speaker 1: a famous historical figure. Barbara Carlin born in Sweden, nine 551 00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 1: years after Ann Frank died From a very young age, 552 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: Barbara insisted her real name was Anne and that her 553 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: family should call her that. She even told her parents 554 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: that they weren't her real mother and father. As a child, 555 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: Barbara's family, unfamiliar with the Anne Frank story, even consulted 556 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, thinking she was lost in a fantasy world. However, 557 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: at age ten, during a family trip to Amsterdam, Barbara's 558 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: connection became undeniable. She instinctively knew how to get to 559 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: Anne Frank's house and pointed out the steps outside that 560 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: had been changed. Once inside Anne's room, she felt an 561 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,439 Speaker 1: overwhelming sense of fear, but refused to leave. She told 562 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: her mother that there had been pictures on the wall 563 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: placed there by Anne herself. Anne Frank's father, Otto Frank, 564 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: had removed the pictures after the war for preservation. Barbara's 565 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: mother was stunned, finally understanding her daughter's lifelong insistence. Years later, 566 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: Barbara even met Anne Frank's cousin, who told reporters he 567 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: believed Barbara was the reincarnation of Anne. Here's an interesting 568 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,720 Speaker 1: story for you. It starts out on a golf driving range. 569 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: Imagine a boy not even old enough for preschool picks 570 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: up a golf club and stuns his parents with a 571 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: swing so perfect, so natural, it seems impossible. But his 572 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: incredible talent was just the beginning of the mystery. He 573 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: began to talk about his other house and his other 574 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: mommy and daddy. So his father, looking for answers, showed 575 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: him a book with photos of six legendary golfers. The 576 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: little boy pointed to one man without a moment's hesitation. 577 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: It was the great Bobby Jones. The boy said, that's me. 578 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: The details that followed were chilling. The boy spoke of 579 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: golf courses from the nineteen twenties and thirties. He knew 580 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: all about Jones's famous rival, Walter Hagen, but the most 581 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: stunning detail was his name. Whenever anyone called him Bobby, 582 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: he would get angry, stomping his foot and insisting, I'm 583 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: not Bobby, I'm Bob. It was a small thing, but 584 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: it was a preference that the real Bobby Jones was 585 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: known to have his entire life wanting to be called Bob, 586 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: not Bobby. The next is a modern and chilling story 587 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: coming from Ris White, whose four year old daughter shared 588 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: a disturbing memory in twenty eighteen. Ris was looking at 589 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: the nine to eleven memorial posts on social media when 590 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: her daughter pointed to an image of the Twin Towers 591 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: and calmly said, hey, Mom, I used to work there. Ris, 592 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: feeling uneasy, asked her daughter when this was The young 593 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: girl simply replied before She then described a morning at 594 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: work when the floor got really hot. She and her 595 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: friends tried to escape through a door, but it wouldn't open. 596 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: Her chilling account concluded with her saying she then jumped 597 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: out of the window and flew like a bird. Mom 598 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: Wriss was deeply shaken, especially as her daughter had never 599 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: been told about nine to eleven. The details of the 600 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: hot floor, the jam door, and the jump are strikingly 601 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: specific to actual survivor accounts from the Twin Towers. This 602 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: powerful spontaneous memory from such a young child with no 603 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: known prior exposure to the event is eerie but compelling. 604 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: Modern case doctor Jim Tucker says that he does not 605 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: engage in extensive meditating practices or psychic exploration himself. He 606 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: has come to a point where the question of whether 607 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: we reincarnate or even survive has become less important to 608 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 1: him personally. What truly is important, He says is that 609 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: this life and the experiences and interactions we have with 610 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: people now we should try to be at peace with that, 611 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: regardless of what comes later. So back to the beginning, 612 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: having no fear of do we reincarnate, don't we? We 613 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: will continue on and after close to two hundred and 614 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: fifty episodes, now I hope you can see and be 615 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: comforted that our consciousness does survive death. That will open 616 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: our eyes, be reunited with our loved ones and even 617 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: our pets in a place that's so familiar, similar to Earth. 618 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: What happens in the future, if part of us comes back, 619 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: or if someday our soul chooses to come back, we 620 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: have to trust that our future selves will have it 621 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: all handled. I do believe that if we know that 622 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: our existence extends beyond on this body, it really does 623 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: empower us to live a better life now. Doctor Jim 624 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,240 Speaker 1: Tucker's perspective aligns with the idea of a consciousness system. 625 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: The fact that seventy percent of the cases he studied 626 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: involves traumatic deaths suggests that perhaps these souls are returning 627 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: to process and heal from these experiences, and if they 628 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: do come to this life with specific things to work 629 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: on traumatic deaths may increase the likelihood of memories surfacing 630 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: as part of that healing process. Doctor Tucker also touched 631 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: on near death experiences, which is another area of research 632 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: at the Division of Perceptual Studies spearheaded by his colleague 633 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: doctor Bruce Grayson. NDEs occur when people come very close 634 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: to death or even when their hearts stop, yet instead 635 00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: of their minds shutting down, they experience sharpened awareness. Of course, 636 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: many describe floating above their bodies, observing resuscitation efforts, encountering 637 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: de ceased loved ones, experiencing an overwhelming sense of love 638 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: and light, and we've often talked about the life review. 639 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: These are life transforming experiences, and similarities between endes and 640 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: some of the children's past life memories further suggests a 641 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: continuity of consciousness beyond physical death. Let us not forget 642 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: that some of the great medium readings and these after 643 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: death communications happen when we go into a quiet receptive state, 644 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: the daydream state, or we ask a question and just 645 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: allow it to surface in whichever way it wants to, 646 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: or just before we go to bed at night, or 647 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: just when we wake up in the morning. Recognizing that 648 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: this space in our mind might be our connection to consciousness, 649 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: or another person's consciousness, or the larger consciousness system. The 650 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: more we human beings stay in this open, receptive state, 651 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: I think, the more we might be able to access 652 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: the deeper truths. Doctor Jim Tucker's work reminds us that 653 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: our physical state, our energy levels, our emotional state, even 654 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: external factors like caffeine or illness can affect our ability 655 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: to connect with these vibrational states of consciousness. With that 656 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: grant he is received, he's going to continue with these research. Ultimately. 657 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Tucker's journey and conclusions, of course, deeply resonate with 658 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: our core messages here on Shades of the Afterlife, He 659 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: too believes that our soul never dies, It transforms, integrates, 660 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,280 Speaker 1: and continues its eternal journey. I know this understanding doesn't 661 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: eliminate grief, but it gives us hope. The connections we 662 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: have here, especially through love, do transcend physical back boundaries. 663 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,760 Speaker 1: Our loved ones are not lost. They continue their own journey, 664 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: as will we, maintaining those bonds of affection across dimensions, 665 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: beyond time and through whatever transformations they may bring. To 666 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: learn more about doctor Jim Tucker's incredible work. Again, you 667 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: can just google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation. You can 668 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: also check out his books Life Before Life, a Scientific 669 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: Investigation of children's memories of previous lives and Return to 670 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: Life Extraordinary Cases of children who remember past lives. And 671 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: of course don't forget to come visit me at We 672 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com. If you don't yet have a 673 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: copy of my book, just enter your name and email 674 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: address at the bottom of the page. There's some other 675 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: goodies that you will receive via email for me if 676 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: you do. Also, every Sunday two pm New York time, 677 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: we have a free ninety minute online empowering service called 678 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: our Sunday Gathering. I promise it'll leave you with a 679 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,760 Speaker 1: smile on your face, and we do medium demonstrations within 680 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: every gathering. So I thank you for taking the time 681 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: to delve into this curious topic of reincarnation. I'm Sanders Champlain. 682 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to Shades of the 683 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal 684 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. 685 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 686 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 687 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 688 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com