1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app on every day from 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: one until four, and then you can hear us on 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: the podcasting posted after four o'clock. It's same as the 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: radio show also on the iHeart app. Luigi Mengioni is 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: captured the whole nation's attention, and we're going to go 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: to Laura Engele from News Nation to tell us the latest. Laura, 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: I hear that there are hit lists and wanted posters 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: of people randomly posting this on the streets of New York, UH, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: targeting other healthcare executives. What do you know about this? 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: That's right? I mean, just when you think this story 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: couldn't get even crazier, that is what we're dealing with today. 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: And this comes, of course, after the arrest, after we 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: saw the suspect to go into court yelling and screaming, 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: and now we've got what sounds to be a positive 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: ID from the water. 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: Bottle, possibly the phone. 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: Some fingerprints or found in New York at the crime 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: scene reportedly do match that of this suspect in custody. 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: So as we're moving through kind of the nuts and 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: bolts of the criminal investigation here on the streets of 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: Manhattan where tensions we have been very high throughout you know, 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: we had this assassination in midtown Manhattan. 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: I know that you know this area. It's over by. 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: Rockefeller Center, Radio sitting music Hall. It's a very well 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: populated area that is, you know, the scene of the 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: crime from a week ago. But now throughout New York 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: there are these wanted posters that have popped up with 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: other CEOs of other healthcare of agencies and saying, you know, 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: it's basically looks like a hit list, And there is 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: one with Brian Thompson, the man who's murdered, the United 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO, with his picture on a wanted poster. 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: With a big red X over it. 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Like complete and so that has really been unnerving the 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: NYPD looking into it. 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: We've made several calls. 37 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: We're trying to find out if there's any cameras that 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: may have picked up somebody putting these posters up on 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: these you know, light poles essentially at the crosswalks where 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: we've seen a couple of images of other CEOs. 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: But it's really unnerving, John. 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: They haven't indicated whether Luigi MANGIONI was connected to any 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: activist group because I wonder if these are trolls putting 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: up these posters, or there's really a subversive group out 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: there and this is their cause. 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: Right. 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, and it was something that 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 2: we looked into. We've all been talking about it ever 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: since we saw him the images before the murder of 50 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: Thompson where he looks like he's talking on the phone 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: to somebody, Right, was that a ruse? Was he pretending 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: that he was talking to somebody on a cell phone 53 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: or was he really talking to somebody? And if you 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: really want to go down the hole, A lot of 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: people have said, I don't know, is that guy in 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: the Starbucks with the mask on just before the murder 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: the same guy that we see at the hostel on 58 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: the Upper West Side with his mask down smiling, same 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: guy in the cab where it's a really clear picture. 60 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: Many people believe it is the same person. Others have 61 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: questions about it, and you're right this, you know, with 62 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: this quote manifesto that was found with him, and along 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: with the ghost gun that is the alleged weapon, many 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: people are wondering is he part of something bigger? Was 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: or is this something with this a break because you 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: know his mother had fold the missing person's report just 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving. 68 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: He'd really fallen off the grid. 69 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: Friend's family couldn't find him, couldn't locate him, didn't show 70 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: up for Thanksgiving, really concerned about him, out of character, 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: and then we have this happened. But what's really Don't 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: you find it interesting John, that like the whole world 73 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: felt like they were looking for this suspect, and everybody 74 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: even down to the customer and the McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania, 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 2: that noticed the bushy eyebrows. Nobody that knew. Nobody knew 76 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: the suspect. Luigi came forward that said, you know, those 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: eyebrows look familiar. I actually thought with that picture of 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: him at the smiling at the late that work behind 79 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: the counter at the youth hostel, I said, you know, 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: it's going to end up happening. It's going to be 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: a dentist because those teeth are really great. But you know, 82 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: as it turns out, all company. 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I did know that if you know, if that was 84 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: my brother, I would have recognized him like with or 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: without the mask, certainly without. And there was absolute silence 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: from imagine the hundreds thousands of people that he knew 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, coming from a prominent family. Then he goes 88 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: to the University of Pennsylvania, he's in San Francisco, he's 89 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: here in Santa Monica, he's in Honolulu, and all those 90 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: thousands of people, nobody recognized that face. I couldn't believe it. 91 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge question right now. And obviously we've 92 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: got the one statement coming from his family saying, you 93 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: know that they're not going to comment right now. Their 94 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: hearts are broken. They're trying to process what has just occurred. 95 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: But didn't you also find it interesting the picture of 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: him and the McDonald's with his hat, his little beanie 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: seemed to be pulled down actually over those telltale bushy eyebrows. 98 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a kudos to the person who 99 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: tipped off the McDonald's employee who called nine one one. 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: And now there's this whole thing about who's going to 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: get the reward, will it be split. There's a process 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: of how this is going to work. But we'll see 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: what happens next. But right now he's fighting extradition. We 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: thought I was prepared to go down to the precinct 105 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: here in midtown Manhattan, but this week thinking that he 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: was going to be transferred from Pennsylvania. But no, that's 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: not how it's going to go down. We've got him 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: fighting extradition. We've been told that that process could take 109 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: up to thirty days. So we're going to go into 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: most likely we're going to go into the new year 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: until we see him back here in Manhattan answering to 112 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: the very serious charges of murder and those gun charges 113 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: as well. So we're just waiting. But honestly, with this, 114 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 2: this has been such a fast moving story. I feel 115 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: like every day, every hour. 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: We're learning something new. 117 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: And then of course you've got all the people on 118 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: social media, people that have been, know, cheering on what happened, 119 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: which is horrible. Now you've got people that are, you know, 120 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: taking mockups of Vogue magazine putting them. 121 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: On the cover. 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: Remember that doesn't sound familiarly like the Boston bombers. Where 123 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: they where they're where they're taking some of the images 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: that we've seen and making mock up t shirts and 125 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: magazine covers. 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: And it's just crazy. It's just wild. 127 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: It's just absolutely wild how this is transpired. 128 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 3: It just just makes you think, what's going to happen tomorrow. 129 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: As soon as I saw his looks, I knew he 130 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: was going to be a mattin a idol. He's probably 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: getting hundreds of the marriage proposals right now because anyone, 132 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean the minute. His brothers have three wives between them. 133 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: That's that's true. 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: And Scott Peterson has a huge fan base if he 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: gets buckets of mail still to this day in I 136 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: own California at Mill Creek State Prison as we round. 137 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: That anniversary here in December. 138 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: But we do have, yeah, we do have the reports 139 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: that there are many people who, you know, what did 140 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: they call him? Like a haughty assassin, and it's just 141 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: it's you know, the names are just going on and on. 142 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Every nice guy who can never get a date is going, 143 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: what do I have to do? 144 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: Right? Right? 145 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: It's right, It's just really weird, weird culture. 146 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: It is a really weird culture. We continue to watch it. 147 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: And now we've got the recovery of the notebook that 148 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: has now you know, gone through kind of this, the 149 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: manifesto that has singled out what he was looking to do, 150 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: and who knows if the back injury, his previous back 151 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: injury has something to do with it, because people have 152 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: made the point John, you know, this isn't somebody who 153 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: was Maybe he was denied a claim. We don't know 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: that private health information. But even if he was, let's 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: just say he was denied coverage of his back surgery 156 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: or treatment afterwards. 157 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 3: He came from a really wealthy family. 158 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't think the family who had have any problem 159 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: covering all his bills, So I don't know how that 160 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: could be a personal point of anger there that that, 161 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, the church company screwed him over, made him 162 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: paid a bill. There was no problem paying bills in 163 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: that family, and he wasn't estranged from the family. He 164 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: cut off contact with the whole world. But I haven't 165 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: read that anybody in the family was upset with him. 166 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: No, we haven't heard that at all. The New York 167 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: Times reporting that it was actually six months ago that 168 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: he stopped communicating with his friends and. 169 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: His family, and we had heard that he was maybe. 170 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: Even supposed to be in a wedding, But it was 171 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: his mom who filed the missing person's report just last 172 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: month and they were actively looking for him. 173 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: So I still that's the story. 174 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: That's you know, another angle of the story that I 175 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: want to hear more on is just what happened with 176 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: the family who had been looking for him, who filed. 177 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: The missing person's report. 178 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: Every person in the country knew about the story, it seemed. 179 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Yes, it's going to go on a while. We haven't 180 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: had one like this in Yeah. 181 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: We're going to have him back here. We'll have them 182 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: back here boots on the ground in New York City 183 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: in a matter of weeks, and we'll be there to 184 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: cover that and. 185 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 3: We'll walk how that goes. 186 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll definitely talk to you then, all right, John, 187 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: all right, Laura, thanks for coming on. 188 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. 189 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: All right. Lori Engel from News Nation on the Luigi 190 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Mangione case killing the United Healthcare executive Brian Thompson. We 191 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: got more coming up, John Cobelt Show, kf I AM 192 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: six forty. 193 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 194 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: six forty. 195 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Got a moistline for this Friday eight seven seven Moist 196 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: eighty six eight seven seven Moist eighty six. Or use 197 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the talk back feature in the iHeartRadio app. It is 198 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: your chance to vent your opinion on anything that's going 199 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: on in the world, and we'll we'll play it twice 200 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: on Friday. Let's continue about Luigi Mangon. We just had 201 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Lori angele On, and you know, when Laura was with 202 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: KFI years ago, we had an amazing run of trials. 203 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: I remember the first thing she covered was Robert Blake's murder, 204 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: not the trial, but the actual murder case when that 205 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: story broke, and then Scott Peterson trial, the Michael Jackson 206 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: molestation trial, the San Diego Westerfield, David Westerfield, Danielle van 207 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Dam that little girl that he kills. Said. She's great 208 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: at covering trials, and she's gone on too quite a 209 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: career at Fox News in our news nation, covering a 210 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of true crime. And so this is the first 211 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: case we've had in a while that really has grabbed 212 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: everyone's attention. I don't think there's anybody I have talked 213 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: to in my life that hasn't started talking about Luigi 214 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Mangion or before they caught him, Who did it and 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: why did he do it? And you can come at 216 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: it from several different ways. Obviously he did it and 217 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: he should get the death penalty, but I don't think 218 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: they have it in New York, so he'll get some 219 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of sentence, you know how they do it. It's 220 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: like twenty years to life or twenty five to life. 221 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's even life without parole anymore, 222 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: because New York is like cal Affordia. Uh, even even 223 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: the sentences that are life without parole turn out not 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: to be life without parole. But any event, he ought 225 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: to get the harshest sentence that New York still has 226 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: in the books. So having said that and that there's 227 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: no excuse for it, I still wonder why, Like what 228 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: goes on in people's heads. All my life, I've been 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: fascinated by mental illness. I don't know why. 230 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 5: Well, we could talk about that another time. 231 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yes, you and and the psychiatrist, we 232 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: could all sit down. But no, when people's brains go badly, 233 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: especially you know, some people are born with bad brains, 234 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: that's not so interesting. You get bad seeds. But the 235 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: ones who live in normal life and then suddenly who 236 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: they're off the off the rails. And that's where Luigi 237 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Mangione has gone completely off the rails, and he's killed 238 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: a guy. Now what what I'm what I'm wondering is 239 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: even if he was denied a claim for his back surgery. 240 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: He comes from this very wealthy family in Baltimore. The 241 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: wealth has been built up for you know, since since 242 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: the middle part of the nineteen hundreds with the grandfather. 243 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: There's plenty of money here. He turned twenty six, so 244 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: at twenty six, you're no longer under the family insurance. 245 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: You're on your own. But I'm sure he had good 246 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: insurance and even if for some reason the surgery was rejected, 247 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: the family would cover it. It's not like I feel 248 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: for these people who suffer devastating illnesses and they really 249 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: have zero way to pay for their treatment, and often 250 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: they don't get it, like if one of those people 251 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: went off, Right, if I saw a guy go off 252 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: because he's got a sick, dying child and the insurance 253 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: is canceling, you still can't go around killing insurance agents. 254 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know what this guy's beef with life was. 255 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: He could not have been handed a bit at our life. Now. 256 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Maybe his path the last few years has been disappointing. 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out he You know, I actually 258 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: did his master's and his bachelor's degree in four years 259 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: at penn at Ivy League. 260 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 6: And that is not an easy school to get into. 261 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: No, and it's not an easy school to perform at. 262 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: And so he does that and he ends up out 263 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: here in Santa Monica working as a software engineer for 264 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: an online used car sales company. Doesn't that seem like 265 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: an odd job choice? 266 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 6: Well, you know. 267 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I was like, why, basically, you're you're coming up with 268 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: a with a more efficient way to sell used cars. 269 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm not really well, I guess I am casting dispersions 270 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: on that. I go, it just seems with the set 271 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: of degrees he walked out of an Ivy League university with, 272 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: it was just a strange place to end up. And 273 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I guess he wasn't satisfied with it, because then he 274 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: goes off to Hawaii for no job at all. 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 6: Well, it's Hawaii. 276 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Well I get that. He went to California. He went 277 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: to Hawaii. 278 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 6: He likes the warm weather, and he. 279 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Apparently was born with this I'm probably not gonna I'm 280 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: not gonna say this word right, spondylosis. It's it's a 281 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: back condition where your vertebrae is out of alignment and 282 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: can press on a nerve and you can have a 283 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: lot of pain and a lot of numbness and it's terrible, 284 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: and he put off getting back surgery. You know, it's 285 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: called spun spondelo spondylisis spondylulis thesis. God bless you. Yeah, 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: that's just way too many letters in which a vertebrae 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: slips out of place. He's either born that way right 288 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: an injured. So he gets the surgery and the surgery 289 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: was successful. Okay, So that's the that's the x rays 290 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: that you see on his social media. And I saw 291 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: him walking yesterday and freaking out in the in the 292 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: outside the courtroom and he's pound on the walls and 293 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: he's wrestling with cops. Doesn't look like a guy who's 294 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: hurting from a back injury. 295 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 6: And let me ask you this. I was wondering. 296 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 5: So he's freaking out, So is he doing that so 297 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: we can get an insanity plea or is he really? 298 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 5: Was he really freaking out? 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Was it a performance? Right? It seems like he's desperate 300 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: to be a hero for the little man who's getting screwed, 301 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: and he wants to show that he's fighting for us. 302 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: All you know, he's killed the health insurance executive and 303 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: he's not going to go down easy, all right, He's 304 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: going to kick and scream all the way because he's 305 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: not given into the man. 306 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: You know, there's an online fundraiser going on. I think 307 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 5: as of this morning for him, it raised thirty thousand. 308 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 5: The goals two hundred thousand. I'm sure it's more than 309 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 5: thirty thousand, now. 310 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's made up of a lot of contributions. 311 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand people angry and frustrated with the 312 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: health insurance system, and probably the entire system needs to 313 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: be bulldozed. But you got the whole system is based 314 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: is based on greed, and the whole it's allowed to 315 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: exist in its form because of all the bribery that 316 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: goes on in Washington, d C. Everybody in Washington who's 317 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: in office gets bribed one way or the other with 318 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: campaign contributions to keep the status quo. 319 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 6: But you can't go around just killing people. 320 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: No, That's why I wonder if that's the whole story. 321 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean that that's certainly a trigger. It's given him 322 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: a justification, it's given him a reason to be right, 323 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: it's given him a cause. It's it's more important in 324 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: his mind than working on software for a used car company. 325 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: You see. Now, because there was this one probably yea 326 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: take a break here, but he all right, here's the 327 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: clue here. January twenty fourth, he posted a thread online 328 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: saying he used to get bummed in math class when 329 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: learning theorems mathematical theorims. 330 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't blame it for that. 331 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: No, you have something in common. 332 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 6: Oh maybe one thing. 333 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: You weren't a great mathematician. 334 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 6: What do you think, John? 335 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: So here's what he wrote. All the low hanging fruit 336 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: has been solved before I was born. If I was 337 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: alive at the time of Pythagoras, I could have easily 338 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: derived the Pythagorean theorem and etched my place in history. 339 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Now was that a joke he's being or is it 340 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: really had this grandiose idea. It's like, I want to 341 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: be a historical figure, okay, but I want to do 342 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: something nobody else has done. 343 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 5: Now, allegedly he committed this murder, right, he hasn't been convicted, 344 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 5: but you really want to go down in history for that? 345 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: If it ended up changing the healthcare industry because everyone 346 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: in the industry where they were all afraid of dying, 347 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: of getting shot, so they decided to make concrete changes 348 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: in the way they do their business. 349 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 5: There has to be another way in my opinion, Well, 350 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I do I think it sucks. I do 351 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 5: I think the healthcare system sucks. And I am not 352 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 5: a fan of insurance companies for lots of different reasons. 353 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 5: But there has to be a better way than what 354 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 5: he allegedly did. 355 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he decided that this is the quickest route 356 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: to infamy. And he's not much different than school shooters. 357 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: They all want to be known, they all want to 358 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: have a place in history, they all want to be 359 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: the subject of a public debate and lead story. 360 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: Well, right, and there's usually some kind of mental illness involved. 361 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, with those people. 362 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: All Right, we got to take a break. 363 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobbel's on demand from KFI AM 364 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: six forty. 365 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: We're on from one to four and then after four o'clock. 366 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: If you miss something, listen to John Cobelt on demand 367 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: the podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We have the final 368 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: totals for the twenty twenty four pasta than for Katerina's 369 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Club in Chef Bruno. You donated one million, two hundred 370 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: and twenty three thousand dollars. No, I did that completely wrong. 371 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: One million, two hundred and twenty three thousand, two hundred 372 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: and seventy dollars. 373 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 6: Wow. 374 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: Got that? Yes, over a million, two and eighty nine 375 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: thousand pounds of pasta and sauce. Wow. Thank you very much. 376 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: And thanks to our partners at Wendy's and Smart and Final, 377 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: because through Wendy's and Smart and Final you donated hundreds 378 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. That's part of the overall total. 379 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: So every every avenue did really well in collecting money 380 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: for Katerina's Club and Chef Bruno and that will keep 381 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: the kids fed for many, many months into next year. Now, 382 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: we were talking about Luigi Mangione and why why did 383 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: he Why did he turn into a murderer? One thing 384 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: I want to play before I forget is this attorney 385 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: at the moment doesn't think there's any evidence that he 386 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: committed a murder. I'm not making this up. He actually 387 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: said that we play cut number one. This is Thomas Dickey. 388 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: My client hasn't faced any actual criminal charges from New 389 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 7: York yet, so he hasn't had an opportunity to make 390 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 7: any plea. I My anticipation is going to be when 391 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 7: and if that happens, he's going to plead, not guilty. 392 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 7: I mean, we've seen no evidence. 393 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 6: We've seen nothing. 394 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 7: And I was reminding people today about you talk about 395 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 7: America a little bit and what wonderful some wonderful things 396 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 7: about this country and particularly in the criminal justice system. 397 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 6: And that's the presumption of innocence. 398 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: And I don't want people. 399 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 7: To jump to, you know, these prejudgment things, because nobody 400 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 7: would ever want that if they were accused or one 401 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 7: of their loved ones were accused and has the big 402 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 7: hearing today. I haven't seen any evidence yet. I don't 403 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 7: even know if this is him or whatever. So we're 404 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 7: going to test those waters and give the government a 405 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 7: chance to bring some evidence for. 406 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence. This is why 407 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: everyone hates lawyers. Everybody hates defense lawyers because they lie. 408 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: Like hell, i've seen Eddie evidence. Well, we don't know 409 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: if that's him in the photo. 410 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 6: Well he has to say all that. 411 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: No, he doesn't, he does, He could tell the truth. 412 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 5: He's a defense attorney, probably getting a lot of money 413 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 5: from the family. 414 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Could be a professional liar, that's what defense attorneys are. Well, 415 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: we'll look at Mangion's own notes. He wrote, what could 416 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: be better than to kill the CEO at his own 417 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: bean counting conference. He also wrote that a shooting would 418 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: be or targeted, a bomb could kill innocence. He's got 419 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: a sense of morality at least. He described health insurance 420 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: companies as being parasitic, and he expressed disdain for corporate 421 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: greed and power. He's correct on this next one. The 422 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world, 423 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: and the profits of major corporations rise while a life 424 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: expectancy does not. Yeah, we have what we among developing countries. 425 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: We have a really bad health outcome score and it 426 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: is the most expensive. He wrote to the FEDS. I'll 427 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: keep this short because I do respect what you do 428 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I 429 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. So anyway, 430 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: maybe Thomas Dickey ought to read his client's own notes. 431 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: He's looking for some evidence. Idiot, and this lame cliche. 432 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you wouldn't want to be prejudged if 433 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: it was your you or your family. It's like, would 434 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: you stop it. I'm not going out murdering anybody, and 435 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: I haven't murdered anybody. And if I did murder somebody 436 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: and it was this obvious. I'd expect everyone to prejudge me, 437 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: and they would be correct to prejudge me. Tired of 438 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: these these these weird protocols, you know, all my life, 439 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: I've got to listen to defense Attorney's like, oh, you 440 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be judged. It's there's a good story 441 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: in uh Wall Street Journal about his life and some 442 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: of the stuff he's done, It says as a teenager, 443 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: Mengione appeared to be a prodigious talent. A prodigious talent 444 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: from established Baltimore family. He designed a mobile game app 445 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: in high school, founded a video video game programming club 446 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: at Penn, completed his bachelor's and master's degrees in computer 447 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: science in four years, although it's senior year was interrupted 448 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: by that stupid COVID lockdown bud. He belonged to a fraternity, 449 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: seemed he had a busy social life. He used to 450 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: fly out to Cabo San Lucas in Mexico, and when 451 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: his name was called during the online graduation ceremony, a 452 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: picture of him smiling flashed on the screen with a 453 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: message for his parents. I don't tell you nearly enough 454 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: how grateful I am for all you do for me. 455 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for all the sacrifices and the lessons you've 456 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: taught me. Then he went to be a data engineer 457 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: with True Car here in Santa Monica. It spent about 458 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: a year there, moving up methodically through the ranks. He 459 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: was rebuilding a data pipeline for used car Loans and 460 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: then suddenly in January of twenty twenty two, he chucked 461 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: it all, went to Hawaii, ended up at a place 462 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: called surf Break, a surfers collective upscale. So these were 463 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: rich kids who wanted to go surfing. He's not working, 464 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: although some are working at remotely at jobs. But I 465 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen any evidence that he was paid two thousand 466 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and a month in rent. 467 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 7: And uh. 468 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: He uh eventually went surfing, and I think on the 469 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: first round of surfing he wrecked his back and that 470 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: led to the surgery because in the photos down there 471 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: he's seen shirtless printing, he's got a six pack chiseled biceps. 472 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: Then I guess he got hurt surfing and that that 473 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and he already had that pre existing condition. Maybe they 474 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: didn't cover the insurance because he had a pre existing condition. 475 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, Like you said, he comes from such 476 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 5: a wealthy family. 477 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, so I'm thinking I'm thinking some kind 478 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: of psychotic break here. 479 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 6: Maybe the meds that he took for the back pain. 480 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. It almost reminds me of the weird guys who 481 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: are in their in their room alone and they end 482 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: up be getting radicalized and they join Isis. It just 483 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: seems to be like a similar trajectory. He decided to 484 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: be a one man retribution army against the healthcare industry, 485 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: and isis is you know, similar in it's like the 486 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: ultimate rebellious act. To make your life important, to have 487 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: have a purpose, to have a goal. I see human 488 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: human beings. Most most of us are stereotypes, and most 489 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: of us follow predictable paths. And even the ones who 490 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: are complete outliers and take a strange path in life, 491 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: like mangeone, A lot of people have gone down that path, 492 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: maybe a very tiny percentage of the overall population. But 493 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: all these guys seen, you know, they often have the 494 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: same story. They usually aren't guys who grew up poor. 495 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: They tend to come from wealth and somewhere along the line, 496 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is rebellion against their family 497 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: and what the family represents. I mean, The family's actually 498 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: sort of in the healthcare industry, and they grandfather founded 499 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: a chain of nursing homes. In fact, they had to 500 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: pay a fifty five thousand dollars fine or reimbursement because somebody, 501 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: an employee, had committed some kind of fraud in his 502 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: grandfather's nursing home chain, and so they had to pay 503 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: back Medicare fifty five grand That was like the only 504 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: dirty thing that they found looking through the records. So 505 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: I don't know why everybody wants to now turn him 506 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: into a hero, which I'm sure he's very pleased by. 507 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: If he has access to the internet, he probably will 508 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: find many pages glorifying what he's done. And this is 509 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: usually the act of angry, frustrated people who can't change 510 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: the world quickly enough, And like Toddler's, this is very 511 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: much like a Toddler temper tantrum. If you give a 512 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: toddler a gun, what would he do? He'd probably start 513 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: shooting you if he didn't get his ice cream treat 514 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: on time. And that's what this is. It's a Toddler's 515 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: reaction to not being able to control the world, not 516 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: to change the world fast enough, or coming. 517 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: Up you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI 518 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 4: A six forty. 519 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Coming up after two o'clock. My councilwoman, Tracy Park, she's 520 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: the councilwoman for the eleventh district from the West side 521 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: of LA And I saw the greatest photo of her, 522 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: Nathan Hakman and the new Chief of Police, Jim McDonnell, 523 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: announcing that they're going to be spending hundreds of thousands 524 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: of dollars to fight crime and make the West Side 525 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: of La safer. And I'm looking at that picture, it's like, Wow, 526 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: you know that used to be George Gascone and Mike 527 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Bonnen and police chief is Michael Moore, and it's like, 528 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: this is a whole new attitude, a whole new group 529 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: to bring to make life normal again, to make it 530 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: good again. So I'm gonna talk to Tracy Park about 531 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: what they're going to do, and she is, she is 532 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: the template for it. Now, every council person ought to 533 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: treat their district. Everybody in Los Angeles deserves a councilperson 534 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: who's going to do with what Tracy is doing for 535 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: the West Side. Uh. So She'll be on we have 536 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: we have Sad News. Gavin Newsom's former wife is now 537 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior's former girlfriend. 538 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 6: She's getting something out of the relationship. 539 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Donald Trump Junior broke up with Kimberly Guilfoyle. 540 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: She's He's now running around with this socialite woman, a 541 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: tall blonde uh named Bettina Palm Beach, socialite, very rich, 542 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: and Kimberly is left by herself. So Dad is exiling 543 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: her to Greece. This is what happens in the Trump 544 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: family when you don't work out. 545 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 6: But there's worse places to be. 546 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: There are if you have to live in exile. Greece 547 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: is a good place to go. But probably she would 548 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: rather be a part of the Trump family. Is Trump 549 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: takes over again at the White House. 550 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 6: Missus Trump. 551 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they were, they were engaged. She was supposed 552 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: to she was supposed to marry Donald Trump Junior. And uh, 553 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people think Donald Trump Junior 554 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: is going to run for president someday, turn it into 555 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: a family dynasty. So she's looking at first lady status. 556 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: She must be pissed, exactly. And now she's in Greece, 557 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: used by a woman who's at at least fifteen years 558 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: younger too. 559 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 6: Of course, that's how you guys roll. 560 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: She was older than Trump Junior. He's forty six. I 561 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: believe she's fifty four, but the new woman's thirty eight. 562 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: Of course she is fifty five. Look at that she 563 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: got older. 564 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: Well, we all age a birthdays. 565 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: Kimberly is aging rapidly. She aged the year in the 566 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: last five minutes. And she was seeing that she was 567 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. And I know she wanted to be first 568 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: Lady because you remember that photo of her and Gavin 569 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: where the headline was something about Camelot and they were 570 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: dressed like John and Jackie Kennedy, and she used to 571 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: wear her hair that way. And these photos that ran 572 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: in a Vanity Fair magazine, I think, no, not Vanity Fair, No, 573 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean something like that. 574 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 575 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: And they got they they sprawled out on this expensive 576 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: carpeting at the at one of the Getty homes, one 577 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: of one of one of the wealthy Gettys gave over 578 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: their living room so that Gavin and Kimberly can do 579 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: their phone New York magazine. It was a New York magazine. 580 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 6: I think that's where it is. 581 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I remember seeing it some years ago, 582 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: and Gavin looks ridiculous. I mean, he was so blatantly 583 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to imitate the Kennedys, and I think Robert Kennedy 584 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: is one of his heroes. 585 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 6: Oh sorry, Harper's Bizarre. 586 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Harper's Bizarre, that's it. One of those magazines used to 587 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: be really popular about, you know, fifty sixty years ago. 588 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: Uh so that's that's when. That's when she fantasized that 589 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: Gavin was going to run for president. I'm sure that's 590 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: what he talked about all the time. He's probably talked 591 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: about that since he was eight. Things didn't work out 592 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: with Gavin, so she moved into a presidential family. Maybe 593 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Don Junior is going to continue the dynasty. But now 594 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: she's out there, and so now she's in Greece all 595 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: by yourself. 596 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 6: She'll find somebody there. 597 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: Maybe she could find Aristotle on Nassas's grant. There you go, 598 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: you kind of complete the whole circle. Are we come back. 599 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Tracy Park on the new 600 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: public safety measures that she and the district attorney and 601 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: the LA Police Chief are taking to get the crime 602 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: out of the West Side. And why isn't every council person, 603 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: why isn't every politician in the state doing this for 604 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: their town, for their county. Why the La County Supervisors, 605 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: why aren't they doing this stuff? Stop coddling the criminals, 606 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: the homeless in the legal aliens. Tho seemed to be 607 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: the only constituency that most politicians in California cater to. 608 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk next Deborah Mark live in the KFI twenty 609 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John 610 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Cobalt Show podcast. 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