1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number two Clay Travis 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Buck is in Scotland. He would love 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: to be here right now in Milwaukee in our studio 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: because our friend Senator Ron Johnson six more years representing 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: the great state of Wisconsin, is in studio with us 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: right now as everyone turns their attention to Milwaukee to 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: his home state of Wisconsin. A little bit of a 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: preview for the Republican National Convention that's going to be 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: up here next year about this time. First of all, 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: it's great to have you in studio. We've had you 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: on the program many times, but I want to say 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: congratulations face to face on winning I think one of 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: the most important elections in all of twenty twenty two. 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: You get six more years to bring the truth and 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: to actually speak truth to power, which is supposedly what 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: politicians are often supposed to do. Doesn't happen very often, 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: So congratulations. It's great to have you in studio with 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: us here. Well, first of all, welcome to Wisconsin. Thank you. 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: I think you've already realized the real value. Wisconsin's just 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 2: really nice people, fantastic. Hopefully you got some fresh cheese curds. Yeah, 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: but and appreciate the congratulations here. It was it was 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: a tough phrase. Wisconsin's not easy. I agree with you. 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: This is pretty well the bell Weather state. As Wisconsin goes, 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: I think as goes the nation. So people need to 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: we need to win this Ford eight. 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: So you won, I believe, by twenty six thousand votes, 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: and Trump won by around You'll know better than me, 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: but around twenty thousand votes in sixteen. He lost by 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: around twenty thousand votes in twenty twenty. In your mind, 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: we're sitting here sixteen months out roughly from the twenty 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: twenty four election. How optimistic are you about Wisconsin going 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: back red? Regardless of who the nominee is. What needs 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: to happen for Wisconsin to be in the Republican camp 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: ground game. 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: It's really that simple. The Democrats have a very easy 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: time of mining votes in Madison, in Milwaukee. Republicans we 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: have to get our votes from all over the state. 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: It's just a much more difficult task. And you know, 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, the abortion was a big issue. 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: It certainly drove their vote enthusiasm, particularly in Madison. We've 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: got to come to grips with that here in the state. 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if there's going to be any kind 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: of ballot measure in November, but it really is. It's about, 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: instead of spending all the millions of dollars on ads, 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: which you have to spend, some take a pretty good 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: chunk of that money. I'd say this is true in 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: every state, spend a lot more money on paid field 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: staff where it's legal to ballot harvest. 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: We have to do it. We've got to get in. 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: We've got to get in that same process, and we 52 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: need to mind the votes early and just keep identifying 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: voters and getting them out to vote. 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Eight candidates tonight are going to be on the stage 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: in the Milwaukee Buck Arena. What do you expect to 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: see from those eight candidates? And with out Trump being there, 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: what does it do to the debate in your mind 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: in terms of allowing people to assess the field. 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: It's going to be really interesting thought Trump there. Are 60 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: they going to a few of them attack Trump, challenge 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: some things he did, whether it's on COVID or whatever. 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: Are they going to strike a more positive tone? Are 63 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: they going to be telling America what their vision for 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: a future is. 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I really don't know. 66 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: I haven't really spoken to any of them, so it'll 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: just be really interesting to see exactly how each one 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: of those primary candace handles the debate. 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: You've been in a lot of debates over your career. 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: What have you found works when it comes to the debate? 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Not necessarily the arguments you're going to make, but as 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: you well know, it's oftentimes how you respond to attacks, 73 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: meaning physically, how you look. I know you're a student 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: of history too. Kennedy beats Nixon for everybody who watched 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: on television, he loses on radio, Optics, cosmetics matter a lot. 76 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: If you were giving advice to a republic and presidential 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: candidate as they get ready for this debate, and also 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: as we think about we'll get to whether Biden can 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: even debate or whether we think he will be a nominee. 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: But what advice would you give? What have you found 81 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: that works well for you in debate? 82 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: Primarily, be yourself, Be knowledgeable enough to about the issues 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: so you can respond to a question without having a 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: canned response. Now, I think what the public responds to 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: is somebody they've views genuine They may not necessarily agree 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: with what you're saying. But if they think that you 87 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: believe what you're saying, they appreciate that fact. You know, 88 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: they don't like people making things up or you know, 89 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: trying to be somebody they're not trying to be. So 90 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: I think genuineness is probably the one quality that is 91 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: missing in so many candidates, and it's the value of 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: the quality that most people value. 93 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: Now, I've said this on the radio show before. You 94 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: may or may not have heard it. If I were 95 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: the presidential nominee, you would be on my supreme short 96 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: list of vice presidential nominees, whether it's Trum, whether it's DeSantis, 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: whomever it were, who might be the presidential nominee if 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: you were on the ticket. Do you think you could 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: deliver Wisconsin if they just if I was pretend that 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: I was the presidential candidate, I came to you and 101 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I said, look, Wisconsin's going to decide this election. You've 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: won in Wisconsin a bunch of times. I just want 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: you to hit the ground running in Wisconsin. Figure out 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: what we need to do to win here. Do you 105 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: think if you were the VP, Wisconsin would be read. 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. It's what I could do to 107 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: influence Wisconsin's what I could do to influence how we 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: run campaigns in the key states. Yeah, I would be 109 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: talking to the campaign consultants who I'm not real fond of. 110 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: Now, tell me about I want I want to cut 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: you off there for a secon because I'm fascinated by it. 112 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: You know, every single hotel in Milwaukee right now is 113 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: filled with campaign consultants. Everybody's got their blow dry hair experts. 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: They've got there wear this tie expert, make sure that 115 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: you have this color jacket on. They're all gurus of 116 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: presentation as a candidate. How do you assess all of 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: the periphery what I would call the p number of 118 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: candidate advisement? 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, you ignore the consultants at your own peril because 120 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: you know they know exactly how they'll twist your words. 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: So yes, okay, so you have to listen to them, 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: but you can't totally rely on them. You got to 123 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: use your own gut instinct because too many campaign consultants. 124 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: It's all cookie cutter campaigns. Yeah, cookie cutter polls, cookie 125 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: cutter approach. It's easy for me, you know, campaign after campaign. 126 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: I don't fault them for it, but you. Candidates have 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: to understand that. And so unfortunately consultants make their money. 128 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: You know, they get a cut on the advertising. They 129 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: don't make good business to be They don't make money, 130 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: for example, really exploring what we can do to make 131 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: sure that we have integratory elections. They don't make money 132 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: hiring the paid field staff so that you can get 133 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: out there and you can mind every vote that you 134 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: have to mind. It's just not where the money comes 135 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: into the campaign consultants. So I just don't think they 136 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: run the type of campaign that needs to be wage 137 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: in order to actually win. 138 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Midwest is going to decide this election. I feel confident, 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: you may not be. I think we can win back 140 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: Georgia and Arizona regardless of who the nominee is. But 141 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: even if you win Georgia and Arizona, you have to 142 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: win somewhere in the Midwest in order to put the 143 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: presidency back in the control of the Republicans. Wisconsin was closest. 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: Trump obviously had a great deal of success in Michigan. 145 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: In Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the voting laws got changed different 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: aspects of that. But when you go back and you 147 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: look and you study twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. What 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: did Trump get right in twenty sixteen that didn't necessarily 149 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: translate in the big ten states in twenty twenty. 150 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think enough for Republicans Wisconsin 151 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: recognized that Hillary Clinton was a criminal and I couldn't 152 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: vote for right. 153 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm gain no, I think, I mean that's well said. 154 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: What we did right in twenty twenty versus twenty eighteen, 155 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: when we lost the governorship, we only had sixty nine 156 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: Assembly Republican candidates in two thousand eighteen, I made sure, 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: with help of a very generous donor, that we funded 158 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: the campaigns of ninety two Assembly Republican candidates and made 159 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: all the difference. 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: So I'll give you the numbers. 161 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: I used to be the record vote getter as Republican candidate. 162 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 2: I got a million, four hundred and eighty thousand votes. 163 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: Here Obama is the record holder with a million, six 164 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: 't eighty two one. 165 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Thousand vote difference. 166 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: Right by having a fuller slate of a Republican Assembly 167 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: candidates collectively in twenty twenty, they got one million, six 168 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty one thousand votes, almost Obama's record. What 169 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: proves the concept is we also had a full slate 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: of congressional candidates, eight of them. They also got a million, 171 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: six hundred sixty one thousand votes. The totals within a 172 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: couple hundred votes. So Republicans came out and they voted 173 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: for Republicans. If you don't have candidates on the ballot, 174 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: you're gonna have people that are going to stay home. 175 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: You get your I always say bring out your second, fifth, 176 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: and fifteenth cousin, right, So we Republicans need as many 177 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: candidates down ballot as well as at the top par 178 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: ticket as well. But that's again, that's all grow own game. 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 2: It's all grassroots, you know. So every local office it's 180 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: contended in November, we need to have Republican candidate on 181 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: the ballot. 182 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: They're trying to bring back masks. I don't know if 183 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: you saw. I hope you could see the video over 184 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: Yack scene mandates. No, it's just awful. It's awful what 185 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: we're doing. You were right on everything COVID, and I 186 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: give you tremendous credit for being willing to speak truth 187 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: again to the massive array of power as you well 188 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: know that tried to prevent truth from being spoken and 189 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: still is when you see college kids being mandated to 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: wear masks. A Hollywood studio I think it was lions 191 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: Gate came out and said everybody on the studio has 192 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: to wear masks. Now, how do we return people to sanity. 193 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I was up at the University of Michigan. My oldest 194 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: son was to do in summer camp there. I couldn't 195 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: believe the number of teenagers and twenty somethings I saw 196 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: outdoors and ann arbor walking around. I'm sure the same 197 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: thing as hapen happening on the University of Wisconsin campus 198 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: in Madison. All over these places, kids are still wearing 199 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: masks when you see that happen. What do you think? Oh? 200 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: Remember, the massive stroke of the left was taking over 201 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: our university systems in the sixties by the radical left, 202 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: so they controlled all colleges, but in particular colleges of 203 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: education and of journalism. So we're not graduating teachers anymore. 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: We're graduating people that indoctrinate our children for you know, 205 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: twelve years and then they come into college, which is 206 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: the main indoctrination site. We're not graduating journalists anymore. We're 207 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: graduating advocates for the left. So that gives the left 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: all their power. That's why they've been able to infiltrate 209 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: every institution of this country. And now it's showing so 210 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: on college campuses in particular. What a great way to 211 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: educate our young people to obey, you know, scare that. 212 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: You know what odd of them. I mean, here's a virus, 213 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: it's going to kill you. No, if you're young and healthy, 214 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: it's not. Yeah, but they've put the fear of the 215 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: Lord in them, whether it's on climate change, the world's 216 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: going to end the I guess climate change didn't give 217 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: them enough control. So the pandemic they seize that and 218 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: they're just not letting go even though you know, young 219 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: people didn't die unless you've got maya charitez from the 220 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: vaccine yep okay. I saw a recent poll about a 221 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: third of Americans agree the fact that vaccines killed people, 222 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: but the other two thirds are either unsure or absolutely 223 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: think that's false. So, you know, we're not necessarily winning 224 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: that argument. We're winning over some of the population, but 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: the majority of the population continues to listen to the 226 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: COVID cartel. You know, the administration of the federal health agencies, 227 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: big farm who's captured the agencies as well as the 228 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: media and big tex social media giants. I mean, we're 229 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: we're fighting powerful forces here to Clay. Can you come 230 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: back spend one more segment with us. Absolutely, we're talking 231 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: to Center Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. You can reach out 232 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 2: ask some questions. I want to ask you about a 233 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: couple of things when we come back. For sure, I 234 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: want to ask you about the Biden crime family. And 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: I also want to ask you whether you think, based 236 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: on your experience, Joe Biden is or is not going 237 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: to run and what conversations inside of the Senate about 238 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: Biden's abilities actually sound like. We'll talk about that with 239 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: Senator Ron Johnson. 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As the Republican Debate inches 265 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: closer and closer, with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a 266 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: quote that you gave to The New York Times, which 267 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: was not fully revealed. I loved it. I retweeted it. 268 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: Joe Biden went after you on a recent trip to Wisconsin. 269 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: You were asked for comment by the New York Times, 270 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing here, but it's a pretty succinct quo. 271 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: He is senile and he is lying. That was you 272 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden, which is fabulously I think well said. 273 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: Is Joe Biden going to be the nominee? And what 274 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: in Capitol Hill circles as senators sit around and talk 275 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: is said about Joe Biden. Because I know many of 276 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: them in the Senate would know him from his time 277 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: in the Senate. 278 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: Still, I honestly would be surprised if he were the nominee. 279 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: And my guess they'll, you know, drag him along and 280 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: tell convention and then there'll be obviously you can't be 281 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: and they'll name somebody and America won't have time to 282 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: really vet that person. The media will praise this person 283 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: as you know, the savior of the country and the 284 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: Democrat Party, and you know that's what they'll try and 285 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: do to get to Democrat elected. But I just have 286 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: a hard time. I mean, he's he's he's obviously unfit 287 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: for the job. He's he's corrupt, he lies, and he's declining. 288 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. And I don't say that 289 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: with any joy. I mean, it's sad to see that 290 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: happen with people with age, but that's what's happening to 291 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: the president. 292 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: We're slowly finally getting the true ruth about the cover 293 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: up and the rig job surrounding the Biden crime family. 294 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: You have found yourself centrally located here. I'm going to 295 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit later on the show. 296 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: I read an editorial yesterday in the Washington Post where 297 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: they said, oh, by the way, Joe Biden may have 298 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: actually been involved with Hunter Biden. I said, oh, my goodness. Really, 299 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm shocked. So what do you think ends up happening 300 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: with the investigations into Hunter Biden and his relationship with 301 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden? And where do you see that going? 302 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: Listen, it has been so obvious for so long that 303 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: he's a liar, that he has corrupt, that it's the 304 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: Biden crime family. I don't think we'll ever have enough 305 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: evidence for the media to really report on this. Honestly, 306 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: they may do their modified limited hangout, you know, just 307 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: you know, they're starting to do that right now, but 308 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: they'll never give the American public the full truth here. 309 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: So my guest was, we'll continue to find peace. 310 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: The puzzle will kind of fill it in until it's 311 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: so glaringly obvious that maybe the mainstream media will have 312 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: start covering this, stop ignoring it and covering it honestly, 313 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: but I'm not holding my breath. 314 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: You actually were directly involved in this, and you've talked 315 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: about it on this program in many other places, the 316 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: FBI tried to tell you that you were being used 317 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: basically by Russian disinformation agents, and then they leaked that 318 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: they gave you that briefing. I think this is an 319 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: integral part of the whole story. Listen. 320 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: I think the FBI was trying to pre sabotage the 321 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: disclosure of the Hunter by Laptop ever since they picked 322 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: it up. Yep, they warned Macguyas that you know, hey, 323 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: our experiences people and talk about these things, don't get hurt. 324 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: We were accused by our Democrat ranking members of soliciting 325 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: and dissemining Russian disinformation all of twenty twenty during our 326 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: investigation in August of twenty twenty, both Centergrass and I 327 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: get separate unsolicited briefings from the FBI. Will they tell 328 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: us that I just rolled my eyes. Now you tell 329 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: us we're targets for Russian disinformation? Huh do you have 330 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: more information? They had nothing. I said, Okay, who told 331 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: you to brief us? Three years later, Clay, they will 332 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: not tell us who directed that briefing. Of course, then 333 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: they eleitd that briefing in May of twenty twenty one, 334 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: basically calling me a Russian stooge. This guy was warned. 335 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: Of course, none of our information was Russian disinformation. 336 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: It was all true. 337 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: It came from US Treasury records, from interviews with US persons, 338 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: but we only had piece of the puzzle. And of 339 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: course the media, because they bought what the Democrats were 340 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: saying is Russian disinformation, completely ignored our report, as they 341 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: ignored the hunter Byen laptop. 342 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: So all this was known. 343 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I've known for a long time that Joe 344 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: Biden never should have been elected president, but the majority 345 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: of Americans didn't realize it. 346 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: Biggest question, most important question, probably the most controversial debate 347 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: topic going on all over the state of Wisconsin. Right now. 348 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: How is Jordan Love going to do taking over for 349 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Got to hope he does well. 350 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: I really do, Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers, can you have 351 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: in a row? You got your packer? Fans are spoiled. 352 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: You don't know how tough it is for the rest 353 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: of us in the NFL. Senator Ron Johnson, keep up 354 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 2: the good work. We appreciate it. Have fun tonight and 355 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us here. 356 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: You too, take care. I gotta tell you. Think about 357 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: all the times you've bought stuff online. 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I'm not kidding. 371 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: If I were the presidential nominee, whether it's Trump, whether 372 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: it's DeSantis, whether it is Tim Scott, the Veake, Ramaswami, 373 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Nikki Hayley Christ, whoever ends up the nominee, I would 374 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: one hundred percent have Senator Ron Johnson on my short list. 375 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: I love the guy, straight talker right about so much 376 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and fearless in being willing to say the truth at 377 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: a time when so many people are sheep. We need 378 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot more lions in this country. And I absolutely 379 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: love the guy, and so I hope you guys enjoyed 380 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: talking with him as much as I did. I hadn't 381 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: actually met him face to face before. We've had him 382 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot on the program. Big News that is breaking 383 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: right now as it pertains to the Ukraine and Russia 384 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Khan inflict. This story just came down about four minutes ago. 385 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: It's not even up on television yet. I'm reading from 386 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: the wall Street Journal. A business jet that had Yevgeny Progozen, 387 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: the owner of the Wagner paramilitary group, among its passengers, 388 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: crashed northwest of Moscow. Russia's State Task news agency said, 389 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: and all ten people aboard have been killed. It's a 390 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: big story. Progozen, you'll remember, was going to lead the 391 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: coup that could potentially have overthrown Vladimir Putin. It is 392 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: him who was in charge of the Wagner Mercenary paramilitary group. 393 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: About a month ago they started the march on Moscow, 394 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: they pulled back. They said that they had reached some 395 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: sort of agreement. And here I'm still reading from the 396 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. Footage posted by onlookers in the Tiev 397 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: region showed what seemed like the trail of an anti 398 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: aircraft missile, and then the jet and emberor Legacy six 399 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: hundred falling out of the sky with one wing missing. 400 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: Social media channels close to Wagner said Russian air defenses 401 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: shot down the plane, which was one of several aircraft 402 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: owned by Progozen. This is a big story, particularly in 403 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: advance of the Republican primary debate that is going to 404 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: be occurring again, according to The Wall Street Journal and 405 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: reports Russia shot down Progozen's jet and he, along with 406 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: nine others do in that shootdown of the jet. Now, 407 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: they're an awful lot of people in Russia who have 408 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: gotten on the wrong side of Vladimir Putin and ended 409 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: up finding a way to fall out of hotel windows, 410 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: out of apartment windows, out of condo windows. It's amazing 411 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: how often Russians who don't get along with Vladimir Putin 412 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: end up falling to their death. But maybe it's just 413 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: a coincidence. But if you don't get along with Vladimir Putin, 414 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: I would say conservatively, your chances of falling to your 415 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: death off a balcony or out of window basically ten 416 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: thousand percent increased, maybe one hundred thousand percent increased. But 417 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: what's interesting about that is usually they try to give 418 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: some form of possibility that the Russians weren't involved in 419 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: those deaths. Here, based on the reports they shot down 420 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: the jet of the head of Wagner. What does this 421 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: mean for the Russia Ukraine conflict? Remember Russia Ukraine, the 422 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: war that's going on that we're spending hundreds of billions 423 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: of dollars on, and everybody just stopped talking about basically 424 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago, because things have 425 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: really kind of just entered a deadly, a deadly total 426 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: breastwork challenged, no movement at all, dead walk story came 427 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: out last week. I believe that five hundred thousand Russian 428 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: and Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or wounded. Five hundred thousand, 429 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: and that both Ukraine and Russia, and this is a 430 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: staggering number, have had more soldiers die in the one 431 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: year war that has been going on then happened in 432 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: America during the entirety of the Vietnam War. You think 433 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: about the death toll, and that certainly doesn't even include 434 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: the large civilian casualty list five hundred thousand. Most American 435 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: media not covering it. But you effectively have entered into 436 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: a deadlock. Both sides completely entrenched. You've got very limited 437 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: movement that's occurring in one direction or another. That lack 438 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: of movement seemed to have precipitated anger from Progozen, who 439 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: was the leader of the Wagner Group, a Russian billionaire, 440 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: and that was why he decided to turn on the 441 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: Russian military. And now he has been shot out of 442 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 1: the skies. This news just now breaking as I am 443 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: speaking to you on Fox News, that the Wagner group 444 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: chief has been killed. And again it appears that Pergozen 445 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: was shot down by Russian military according to the report 446 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: that is up on the Wall Street Journal. Just to 447 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: confirm again, there's footage that is posted online and you 448 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: can see the trail of an anti aircraft missile and 449 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: then the jet falling out of the sky with one 450 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: wing missing. So Wagner, which is again this Russian paramilitary 451 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: mercenary group, their social media channels are saying that Russian 452 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: air defense is shot down, the plane forgoes and dead. 453 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: The nine people on board the plane with him also dead. 454 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: What happens now? What happens now to Wagner which had 455 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: been a substantial component of the Russian military effort. Putin 456 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: obviously had and felt that his authority was being challenged. 457 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: But given all of the evidence out there, this is 458 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: not something where the Russian government can claim, oh, you know, 459 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: this is just another situation where somebody fell out of 460 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: a window. The Russian military itself inside of Russia shooting 461 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: down Pergozen. Now, to be fair, there's always the possibility 462 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: that this was some sort of action that was undertaken 463 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: by someone other than the Russian military, because there's all 464 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: these different groups that are fighting in Ukraine and there's 465 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: constantly all these different attacks that are going on subterfuge. Remember, 466 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: Russia said that Ukraine had sent in some of these 467 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: drones and they had been attacking. So maybe there will 468 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: be some argument that someone else has involved, but it 469 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: seems unlikely that a jet would be capable of being 470 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: shot down outside of Moscow in Russia without the Russian 471 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: military and or Vladimir Putin being directly involved here. And 472 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: to me, what it further illustrates is just the dendlock 473 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: that we are in right now that is leading to 474 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: the death of tens of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians 475 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: with virtually nothing happening in terms of the lines moving 476 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: in a substantial way. We're spending hundreds of billions of 477 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: dollars and it feels like effectively we've ended up in 478 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: a stalemate. Neither side is able to advance in one 479 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: direction or the other. They're massive amounts of battle lines 480 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: that have been set up minds everywhere. The advance that 481 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: was supposed to occur in Ukraine that was going to 482 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: be so successful this summer has to a large extent 483 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: bogged down. But again, Yevgeny progos In, he challenged the power, 484 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: the supremacy, the leadership of Vladimir Putin, and he now 485 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: is following in many other people who have also been killed. 486 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: This major breaking news, I would presume will be a 487 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: big component in the Republican debate tonight, with all eight 488 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: of those contenders on the stage. All right, I'm gonna 489 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: set up your phone calls eight hundred and two two 490 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: two eight A two. We will continue to react to 491 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: this breaking news. 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Catch up on any part of the show 518 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: you might have missed. Find every podcast as they're released 519 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: and listen. Fine the Clay and Buck app in your 520 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: app store and make it part of your day. Welcome 521 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Again breaking news. 522 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: Russian state media now acknowledging that the Wagner Group chief 523 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: you have Gety Progozen, who led a coup of sorts 524 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: against Vladimir Putin, began to have his troops march on 525 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: Moscow and then said, oh, everything's fine, and decided to 526 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: call off that advance. He's been killed, shot down in 527 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: a plane along with nine other people on that aircraft, 528 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: according to reports that are now out everywhere. This will 529 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: be a major topic of discussion, one would suspect, in 530 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: the debate tonight, because it calls into question what exactly 531 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: is going on in Ukraine. As I mentioned to you, 532 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand people killed and wounded according to the 533 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: most recent estimates that have come out in the last 534 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in the war in Ukraine, and nothing 535 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: is happening. Basically, we have a stalemate in place. I 536 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: think one thing that Trump has been one hundred percent 537 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: correct about is Vladimir Putin would have never invaded Ukraine 538 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: if Trump were still in the Oval office. But how 539 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: do we end this battle now that an effective stalemate 540 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: has set in and neither side is able to advance 541 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: much in either direction despite a tremendous loss of life? 542 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: And what does the murder I think it's fair to 543 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: say the murder of Jef Guinea Progosen, the head of Wagner, 544 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: What does that say about the Russian war effort and 545 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: about Vladimir Putin's control on power in Russia? Was yefginey 546 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Progosen continuing to defy the authority of Vladimir Putin in 547 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: some way challenging his grip on power? 548 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: Was Putin? 549 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: And I think this is probably the truth, so embarrassed 550 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: by Progosen deciding to march on Russia that he has 551 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: been biding his time and finally decided to kill him. 552 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: Or was there some other impetus in place that Putin 553 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: felt compelled to demonstrate his raw power by killing Progosen 554 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: in Russia? And what does it say that instead of 555 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: coming to an untimely end via poor as the Russians 556 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: have frequently done with the KGB, or throwing people out 557 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: the windows and then claiming that they fell, what does 558 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: this raw and unadulterated exercise of power, the murder of 559 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: a powerful figure in Russia say about Putin's grip on power. 560 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: If you feel the need, as Putin may have to 561 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: demonstrate your raw political power by killing this man and 562 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: not being able to argue, oh, this was just a 563 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: plane crash, a jet malfunction. Again, there is a video 564 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: showing a Russian missile knocking off one of the wings 565 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: of this plane, which then led to the death of 566 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: all ten people on board. If Putin fills the need 567 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: to exercise publicly this amount of power so that everyone 568 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: knows that he killed this man, assuming that he was involved, 569 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: and this couldn't occur in Russia from the military, without 570 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Putin's direct authority, what does that say that he now 571 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: feels the need to exercise his power publicly. And I 572 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: just think this is important to remember everyone out there 573 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: who is saying Vladimir Putin needs to be removed from power, 574 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: He's a dictator, he's an authoritarian, He's a modern day Hitler. 575 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: That's the argument. Why do we presume that Putin is 576 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: going to be replaced by someone who is better for America? 577 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: To me, the likelihood if Vladimir Putin is removed from 578 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: power in Russia is just as likely that someone worse 579 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: than Putin emerges to take over power in Russia. And 580 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: if Putin is now feeling compelled to act out strategically 581 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: to show his power. What does that mean about the 582 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: acceleration that he might be willing to embrace inside of Ukraine. 583 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: There are a lot of different ways to read this. 584 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: Maybe this means Putin is going to draw back in 585 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Ukraine a bit and he wants to still demonstrate that 586 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: he is strong enough to be able to kill his 587 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: chief political adversaries, challengers for power. It's hard to exactly 588 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: read the tea leaves of what is going on for 589 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: sure in the Kremlin. But you can watch this plane, 590 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: and everyone all through Russia is going to be watching 591 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: this plane. You can watch this plane be shot right 592 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: out of the air and you can watch it plummeting 593 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: to the Earth with everyone on that plane dying instantaneously 594 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: on impact. This is MESSI this is ugly, and I 595 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: would think it characterizes a new form of discord but 596 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: also questionable power dynamics in play in Russia. Does anyone 597 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: out there listening to me right now think to themselves, oh, 598 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: you know who is definitely going to be able to 599 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: handle this challenging geopolitical situation with a nuclear power in 600 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: midst of war in Europe now feeling compelled to kill 601 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: a chief political adversary who used to be a chief 602 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: political asset. Does anyone feel like, oh, Joe Biden, he's 603 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: up to this whenever they wake him up and tell 604 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: him what happened in Russia? Does anyone feel like Joe 605 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: Biden is going to be able to analyze this in 606 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: a rational, credible, intelligent fashion and come up with a 607 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: coherent American policy response to this. I certainly don't. The 608 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: guy can't even go to Hawaii and manage to avoid 609 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 1: comparing a kitchen fire to the biggest wildfire death toll 610 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: we've seen in one hundred years, And now we think 611 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: he's going to handle putin killing chief political adversaries in 612 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: the middle of a war. Not hardly