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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this week's Ozone podcast. We're here at the NFL Owners

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Speaker 1: Meetings two edition at the Got Breakers in Palm Beach,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined today by somebod. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: talking to Uh because of his NFL knowledge, but also

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Speaker 1: because of his intimate knowledge of Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Dan Pompey of The Athletic, a longtime

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Speaker 1: NFL writer, one of the best around, who also co

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Speaker 1: wrote Doug Peterson's book Fearless. And after that lengthy introduction, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us today. It's good to be

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Speaker 1: with you. John. Always enjoy talking a little football with

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Speaker 1: you and talking a little Jaguars. I think it's uh

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Speaker 1: kind of an exciting new era in Jaguars football with

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Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson. Sarah's will, well, that's for sure, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. What did you, Uh? And we'll get into

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Speaker 1: what you learned about Doug Peterson, but maybe tell Jaguars

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Speaker 1: fans um you know your nutgraph, if you will, your

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Speaker 1: summary of Doug as a as a leader person that

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Speaker 1: you learned from writing his book. Well, I think there's

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Speaker 1: a few things about him that stand out to me.

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Speaker 1: The first is, um, you know, he would rate is

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Speaker 1: high on the EQ scale as any head coach. So

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Speaker 1: to me, that's probably something that's become increasingly important to

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Speaker 1: and kind of uh understand where they're coming from and

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Speaker 1: push the right buttons. And I think that's you know,

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Speaker 1: he does adds as well as anybody. And then the

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Speaker 1: other thing is, you know, you look at, uh the

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Speaker 1: experience level that he has in the league as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: all the different people and systems programs he's been exposed to,

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Speaker 1: and how that blends into the person he is and

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Speaker 1: his ability to put together a playbook and a game

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Speaker 1: plan that brings out the best in the athletes around him,

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Speaker 1: the personalities around him. Um, he's got a willingness to

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Speaker 1: take risks, and UM, I think he's got a great

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Speaker 1: there's a lot about Doug Peterson that's pretty impressive to me. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a kind of things I want to get to.

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Speaker 1: But uh, I guess the writer junkie in me is

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Speaker 1: fascinated by how the pro says work. You guys wrote

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Speaker 1: this book right in the Super Bowl, we did, and

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Speaker 1: that means he wasn't sitting around at the beach with

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Speaker 1: a lot of free time. So how good was he

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Speaker 1: as a writing partner as a subject, because there's huge

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Speaker 1: he's still preparing and doing his job. He was great,

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Speaker 1: you know. And we had three major interview times. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Two of them were we spent weekends together in the Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: I went out to Philadelphia and spent an entire weekend

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Speaker 1: with him twice. Uh. And then the third time was actually,

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Speaker 1: some time here. And then after that it was a

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Speaker 1: lot of phone calls and texts or you know, emails

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Speaker 1: that can be an invasive thing, even if he's involved

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Speaker 1: you know. So if he wasn't on board, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have worked, you know, because he had to really give

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Speaker 1: with it that way, no doubt. You mentioned something about

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Speaker 1: And how you know? I guess to reiterate, Doug's really

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Speaker 1: And and now I think you will never have those

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Speaker 1: appreciate your insight, long one of the best NFL writers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining in the own podcast. Okay my pleasure,

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Speaker 1: Jaasaank you appreciate you, buddy.