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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: And Getty and he Armstrong and Yetty. Did you watched

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Speaker 2: India last night? Michael? Did you watch Anhima? I saw

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Speaker 2: the Force Quarter? Oh really?

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Speaker 3: How was it?

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Speaker 2: It was great?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oklahoma's got to be worried. Indiana has the ability

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Speaker 3: to come back on anybody anytime.

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Speaker 2: I just love Indiana. Wow, how did you have that?

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Speaker 2: I know you are. You are an idiot savant.

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Speaker 4: If everybody is saying, uh, nobody can touch the Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: City Thunder and you lose game one on your home court.

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Speaker 2: That's sick. That gets your attention.

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Speaker 3: What our grandma showers? No, it's not when your mom

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Speaker 3: is a little gamy after exercize. It's something different, grandma showers.

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Speaker 3: M good lord, it's not when granny needs to get

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Speaker 3: the funk offer.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy.

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Speaker 4: And continuing updates of the feud that's shaking the earth,

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Speaker 4: Trump Musk, there's an updates?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there actually is. Okay, it's kind of now. People

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Speaker 2: are weighing in from the Peanut Gallory.

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Speaker 3: It was something for Elon to retweet an impeachment tweet,

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Speaker 3: although he made the point. I don't know if it

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Speaker 3: was the same tweet or not. He made the point

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Speaker 3: that if the Dems take the House, or he was saying,

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Speaker 3: the tariffs are going to cause a recession, which is

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Speaker 3: going to cause the Dems to take the House, and

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Speaker 3: they will impeach Trump.

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Speaker 2: That'll be the whole two years as lets you know.

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Speaker 3: The National Review podcast the other day and they went around,

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Speaker 3: if Dems take the House, will they impeach Trump?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent yes, every one of them. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're wrong.

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Speaker 3: I wonder over what, I don't know, pick anything, the

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Speaker 3: Muslim band, the you know, whatever you want to do

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Speaker 3: with Tariff's name.

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Speaker 4: Something Harvard, something exactly. So this is not a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to answer it now. But what kind

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Speaker 4: of person doesn't I mean, given how closely they worked

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Speaker 4: for a while, even if it was kind of phony

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Speaker 4: and just for politics and all, what kind of person

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Speaker 4: doesn't like one or two tweets in pick up the

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Speaker 4: phone and say, hey, this is getting kind of ugly.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't but I wouldn't engage in it in the

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Speaker 3: first place. So it's kind of hard to put myself

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Speaker 3: in that place. I'm putting myself in a place I

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Speaker 3: would never get. I can't imagine reacting that way publicly.

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Speaker 3: I just can't even imagine it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I just have always always been a

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Speaker 4: believer in a not hitting send when you're angry, and

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Speaker 4: b if it's a good idea to say it today,

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Speaker 4: it'll still be a good idea tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So why don't you think about it?

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Speaker 4: I think about how you want to play those cards

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Speaker 4: and not shoot your mouthfall.

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Speaker 3: I want to discuss the term alpha male after we

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Speaker 3: do clips of the week, also, because that kept coming

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Speaker 3: up yesterday.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm not agreeing to it because I'm sort of

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Speaker 4: sort of beta male. I'm also an alpha male and

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Speaker 4: agree with Jack the alpha male.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Charlie male. I'm way down of the road.

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Speaker 2: I don't take murders from.

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Speaker 3: Nobody or Delphi or something. It's Friday tradition, It's beloved.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a fond look back at the week that was.

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Speaker 3: It's cow clips of the week.

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Speaker 2: Well breaking news, the lasser raptor mounted Border patrol agents.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be big. The Slips of the week.

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Speaker 3: Russia reeling from Ukraine's astonishing and unprecedented drone attacks.

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Speaker 2: More than forty aircraft ablaze.

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Speaker 4: We also have stronger tactical solutions. Our operation Spider Web

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Speaker 4: yesterday proved that.

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Speaker 2: I made it very clear. He said, we have no

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Speaker 2: choice but to attack. With Elon Musk and Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: are going through a divorce.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was like disappointed to see the massive

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Speaker 2: Wat Elon Musk and I agree. I agree with Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Elon and I.

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Speaker 2: Had a great relationship. I don't know what well anymore.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised Musk and writing time to drop the

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Speaker 2: Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real

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Speaker 2: reason they've not been made public. And then he said

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Speaker 2: he's got a problem. The poor guy's got a problem.

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Speaker 2: President Trump tonight should sign an executive order and seize

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Speaker 2: SpaceX tonight before midnight. Witnesses say Solomon was dressed like

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Speaker 4: Solomon brought eighteen Molotov cocktails for the park.

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Speaker 2: He was about to use a makeshift flamethrower and all

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Speaker 2: I saw was someone on fire.

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Speaker 3: The Travel Band is indeed back, and nothing will stop

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Speaker 3: us from Keeping America, saying, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Scares the hell out of me. I've been doing this

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Speaker 2: for forty years because we don't have I love people.

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Speaker 6: Show and discus momination.

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Speaker 2: What I have decided to do is to follow my

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Speaker 2: own compass.

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Speaker 1: I don't make my kids go to school the last

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Speaker 2: I don't see the point is how should eat a banana? Now?

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Speaker 2: We don't pick it up and peel it like a primate. Instead,

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Speaker 2: we use a knife and fork. In my target that

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Speaker 2: used to have the pride section. It's now all USA.

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Speaker 6: Heay.

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Speaker 7: Just a few hours later, mom and dad and little

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Speaker 2: Nancy has a headache and requires treatment. I will need

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Speaker 2: about an hour and a bottle of USTe Spermonte.

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Speaker 6: Show tap down the shade, Maybe we do man.

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Speaker 2: So Michael's got his phone out with the light on,

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Speaker 4: That's the wonder we were in a malaise in the

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Speaker 4: seventies that pop music sucks the will to live out

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Speaker 3: The summer anthem. I blame Jimmy Carter for bread and

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter. They sucked the masculinity out of America.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the.

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Speaker 3: NBA Finals last night, so uh, Indiana heavy underdogs they

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Speaker 3: they would have to win four straight, which has only

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Speaker 3: story behind the story on that is he has three

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Speaker 3: And obviously, even if he loses the fact that he

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Speaker 3: this company he's invested in, that's the whole point, right right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: smart listening stunt. And he's married to current country music

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Speaker 3: Now, other things that we teased, what are grandma showers?

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Speaker 3: It's another way for families to celebrate newborn's. I guess

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Speaker 3: it's caught on as a thing. The internet is clapped back,

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Speaker 3: calling it peake narcissism. Okay, you found one tweet where

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Speaker 3: somebody complained about it, But anyway, it's a new thing

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Speaker 3: like reveal parties and whatever grandma showers or grand baby

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Speaker 3: showers in addition to all the other things that you do,

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Speaker 3: and then you post online and get like, so knock

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Speaker 3: yourself out. If you're that sort of person, if you're

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Speaker 4: Go for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't come from it. Don't demand everybody else go

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Speaker 2: to it, please? Right?

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Speaker 3: Ah? Okay, so I heard several times yesterday the whole well,

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Speaker 3: what do you expect when you've got two alpha males?

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Speaker 3: Trump and Elon going at it like that? How do

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Speaker 3: you define alpha male? The way it's used thrown around

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Speaker 3: all the time, not like the dictionary definition, but the

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Speaker 3: misapplied regularly. Just because you lose your temper and shoot

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Speaker 3: off a bunch of stuff you didn't need to, that

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Speaker 3: the other.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's the other that's more important. Point. The

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Speaker 2: fact that you don't do that doesn't mean you're not

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Speaker 3: I don't use the term ever because I think it's

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Speaker 2: I don't like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. To me, it's

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Speaker 4: Dynamic man, a leader somebody others look up to, just

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's interesting. Usually it goes with like kinda

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Speaker 2: That's not the way I see it now.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why it's used like with Elon and

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Speaker 3: I think your definition is better. I think about our

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Speaker 3: Gentle and quiet and and and maybe even meek would

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Speaker 2: As anybody's I've ever known. And he was in charge

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Speaker 4: and I don't think a lot of people would consider

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he led through thoughtful uh consideration and conversation and

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, does that is he an alpha

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Speaker 3: male or not? He's literally the alpha male affle person

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Speaker 4: He might be the ultimate alpha male in that he

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of way to use the term, he

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Speaker 2: Him out and he would win that battle.

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Speaker 3: If people were using the definition the way you use it,

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with it whatsoever. But I think

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Speaker 3: and I'm not a guy that believes that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't like the toxic masculinity term or whatever, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like that that's what they go for when

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Speaker 3: they use the term alpha male. It's anybody that's like,

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Speaker 3: what kind of a jackass really is an alpha male?

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Speaker 3: You know, like, what's his name? Ramsey from the Cooking Show? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so you yell at people in belittle. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't like using that sort of thing as like a

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Speaker 3: you get a cool title for that.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what is an alpha male? Is that what

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Speaker 2: But once again, of the emphasis is on length of life.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know you wanted an embryo that would turn

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Speaker 4: Pretty comfortable with eliminating negatives. It's when you start demanding

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Speaker 3: Anytime you start playing this though, I'm thinking of several

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Speaker 2: So do we is it good for mankind to eliminate that?

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Speaker 4: We're going to be a race of big good looking,

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Speaker 2: Or dancing real estate agents. Dancing real estate we have

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Speaker 4: If you think of modular homes as kind of a cheaper,

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Speaker 2: You were wrong, you idiot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a stupid idiot and should take a long

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 7: Wall Street Journal this week published a guide on how

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Speaker 8: Hold interesting?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there are donuts all over the place today.

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Speaker 4: I'm wracked with guilt now because I haven't been in

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Speaker 3: Interesting, well, they've always and there's always been really good

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Speaker 3: the walls were were like paper.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So listen to this, would you.

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Speaker 2: But they are they are concrete houses that look.

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Speaker 3: A little you're selling me this with the idea that

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Speaker 4: Well no, I just said it doesn't in a way

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Speaker 2: You're the third little pig exactly. Yes, And and these

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're not gonna see them like in upscale

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Speaker 3: I lived in a mobile home in college for my

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Speaker 2: And I'm old. But that was nothing then, I mean

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Speaker 3: Then it was ridiculous. We paid sixty two dollars and

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Speaker 4: When I was a kid, we lived in a ground

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Speaker 3: worked hard and got us out of there and on

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Speaker 3: the bigger and better things. Well, on the upside is

447
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Speaker 3: a college kid of living in a crappy place is

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Speaker 3: you don't have to worry that much about taking care

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Speaker 3: of it. And we would have We would play darts

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Speaker 3: a lot, and we put the dart board all the

451
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Speaker 3: way down the hallway in the kitchen, and you have

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Speaker 3: to try to throw the dart so hard and.

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Speaker 2: Flat like a like a like a baby pitch to

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Speaker 2: really fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, through the hallway all the way to the kitchen,

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Speaker 3: maybe constantly sticking in the walls of the ceiling room.

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Speaker 4: Places like crap, right right, yeah, So this is an

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Speaker 4: interesting story from the world of science that perhaps I

459
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Speaker 4: don't know, Donald J. Trump and Elon Musk might listen to.

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Speaker 4: Really interesting. The neuroscience of vengeance. Hmmm, now you got

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Speaker 4: my attention.

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Speaker 3: It can be as addictive as drugs. I like to

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Speaker 3: serve piping hot. How should you serve vengeance?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, no again, you rue no cold?

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Speaker 3: Uh? And that forgiveness works like detox neurologically speaking, can

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Speaker 3: you get addicted to revenge?

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Speaker 2: Wow? This this writer is actually talking about This is.

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Speaker 3: A troubling notion. And I think I can pick people

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've done that in their lives. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: or family, you know what this is so interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's longish.

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Speaker 4: He talks about his childhood and some really significant ugly

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Speaker 4: stuff as a kid, and his family and revenge, and

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Speaker 4: then he says, I didn't get revenge that night, but

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Speaker 4: I eventually went into the professional revenge business. I became

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Speaker 4: a lawyer. The way I saw lawyers get paid a

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Speaker 4: lot for selling revenge to the masses. Wow, and getting

479
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Speaker 4: revenge from my clients occupied the next twenty years of

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Speaker 4: my life. And then then he says how it affected

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Speaker 4: his life, and he said, it seems like I was

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Speaker 4: addicted to revenge, but so were people everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Gives a bunch of examples. I began to hate what

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 4: For a living and descended into a professional and psychological crisis.

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Speaker 4: One night, I found myself alone contemplating suicide. Can you

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Speaker 4: become addicted to revenge? I stopped being a litigator and

488
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Speaker 4: spent much of the next two decades trying to find out.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, isn't that crazy.

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Speaker 3: Don't you feel like you've known people that seem to

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Speaker 3: be addicted to revenge? They're always they've always like they're

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Speaker 3: always trying to.

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Speaker 2: Get back at somebody.

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Speaker 3: Just seems so time consuming and obviously takes up a

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Speaker 3: lot of your mental efforts.

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Speaker 4: I think we've all known families like that, that everybody

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Speaker 4: wants to have a psychological advantage over someone else because

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Speaker 4: they've been wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, break and I'll come back and tell you

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Speaker 4: about We got some of the things the scientists figured out.

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Speaker 2: We got a little tribute to D Day. We're going

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Speaker 2: to do when we come back. I don't know, Sorry, No,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be. Yeah, why don't we We got

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Speaker 2: revenge on the Nazis? All right, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's spend another minute ninety seconds on this then,

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Speaker 4: and we'll come back with the D Day thing, because

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Speaker 4: I absolutely love that idea.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, this guy becomes obsessed.

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Speaker 4: With the idea of being addicted to revenge, and he

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Speaker 4: mentions that science right around them. Right around then, around

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Speaker 4: twenty oh four or so, we're starting to get really

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Speaker 4: good at brain scans and that sort of thing. Turns

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Speaker 4: out that your brain on revenge looks very much like

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Speaker 4: your brain on drugs. In an zero four study in

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Speaker 4: the journal Science, participants were given the opportunity to retaliate

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Speaker 4: against players who betrayed them during economic games, but at

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Speaker 4: the cost of bankrupting themselves. PET scans of the brains

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Speaker 4: showed activation of the dorsal stradium, part of the circuitry

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Speaker 4: involved in habit formation and dediction. Then he describes a

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Speaker 4: similar study. The brains of participants who did not seek

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Speaker 4: revenge showed successful intervention by the prefrontal cortex, the area

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Speaker 4: of the brain responsible for executive function and self control,

524
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Speaker 4: which appears to be hijacked during addiction.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm glad I've never had that happen. I think

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Speaker 3: I feel like part of it is I'm too lazy

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Speaker 3: for this. Grievances I have too bad a memory. I

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Speaker 3: can't remember who I'm supposed to be angry at. Grievance

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Speaker 3: is real or imagined, appear to cue the brain to

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Speaker 3: crave revenge in much the same way that stress and

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Speaker 3: anxiety are seeing. Drug paraphernalia or places or drug use

532
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Speaker 3: cue the brains of addicts to crave narcotics.

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Speaker 2: You crave revenge just like drugs.

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Speaker 4: Addiction scientists describe this mechanism as part of the brain

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Speaker 4: system for maintaining balance between pleasure and pain, calibrated partly

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Speaker 4: by levels of dopamine blah, blah blah. You can be

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Speaker 4: addicted to revenge and your brain looks just like a

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Speaker 4: drug addict.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that? Well, watch out for that, I guess, and.

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Speaker 3: Knowing that if it is an addiction, like all addictions,

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Speaker 3: it's something you could get away from with effort. Probably Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 3: I hope we've helped at least one person with the

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Speaker 3: show today. Well, we the Allies got revenge on the

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Speaker 3: Nazis eighty one years ago. Today take that eight off, huh,

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Speaker 3: A little tribute to that when we come back.

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Speaker 8: This is London, London calling in the Home Overseas and

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Speaker 8: European services of the BBC and through United Nations Radio Mediterranean,

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Speaker 8: and this is John snag Speed, Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary

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Speaker 8: Forts have just issued Communicate number one, and in a

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Speaker 8: few seconds I will read it TOIL. Communicate number one.

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Speaker 8: Under the command of General Eisenhower, Allied naval forces supported

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Speaker 8: by strong air forces began landing Allied armies this morning

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Speaker 8: on the northern coast of France. I repeat that Communica

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Speaker 8: Communica number one, under the command of General Eisenhower, Allied

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Speaker 8: naval forces supported by strong air forces began landing Allied

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Speaker 8: Armies this morning on the northern coast of France. This

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Speaker 8: ends the reading of Communicate number one from Supreme Headquarters,

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Speaker 8: Expedition Revolse Ah.

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Speaker 3: That was the very first announcement anywhere in the world

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Speaker 3: that D Day had begun. And if you haven't watched

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Speaker 3: Saving Private Ryan for that opening scene, what that would

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Speaker 3: have been like I was in my mind as he

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Speaker 3: was reading that.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's worth remembering is those words were being read.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's like, oh my god, the effort to retake France's begun,

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Speaker 4: and D Day might end up being disaster Day. Sure,

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Speaker 4: the loss of you know, Europe to the Fascist Day,

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Speaker 4: it might not have worked.

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Speaker 3: And that was BBC, you know, broadcasting out of London,

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Speaker 3: which just a couple of years earlier had been almost

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Speaker 3: bombed out of existence, so not an academic matter for

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Speaker 3: them at all. It reminded me hearing.

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Speaker 2: That guy's voice.

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Speaker 3: So just a few weeks ago in May, remember, we

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Speaker 3: celebrated the eightieth anniversary of Victory in Europe Day and

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Speaker 3: it got a lot of attention and we talked about.

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Speaker 2: It a lot.

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Speaker 3: I heard a feature on Public Radio NPR are a

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Speaker 3: long like our long, full hour long feature on that

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Speaker 3: was unbelievable. It was the best that sort of thing

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Speaker 3: I'd ever heard in my life. As they went through

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Speaker 3: the day from broadcast to broadcast New York, London, various cities,

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Speaker 3: as the world became aware of the world of the

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Speaker 3: war ending, and then statements from Churchill and Truman and

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Speaker 3: whoever else, and it was just absolutely fantastic. And one,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, God, there's so many people I know

588
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Speaker 3: would love this. I wish I could lurk to them

589
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Speaker 3: to hear this. And two, of course, you can pull

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Speaker 3: off something this fantastic. You don't have to live by

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Speaker 3: the regular rules of commercial radio because you get taxpayer funding,

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Speaker 3: so you can pull off something this complicated and expensive

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Speaker 3: to put together.

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Speaker 2: But it was so good.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's available online or what. I'd

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Speaker 3: never and I'd been a World War two buff for

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Speaker 3: so many years and taken in so much so I'd

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Speaker 3: never heard anything that good about the end of the

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Speaker 3: warner ever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I'd like to hear that. I'll

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Speaker 4: have to dig into some good d Day stuff today.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's hard to, I think, for a

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Speaker 3: lot of people to conceive of the fact that we

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Speaker 3: could have lost.

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Speaker 2: It didn't have to turn out the way it turned

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Speaker 2: out to where the good.

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Speaker 4: Guys won, right, Yeah, which is why I made my comment,

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Speaker 4: because it's easy to look back at history as inevitable

609
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Speaker 4: or well, of course it was going to come out

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Speaker 4: one way or another, or everybody knew. D Day meant

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Speaker 4: that the victory was on the way now, right. It

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Speaker 4: was very iffy and many months of bloody battles followed.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's time for the final thought with Tom

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Speaker 5: strug at Getty and you know, we hope it's about

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Speaker 5: Elog because he went bad. He went so bad. He's

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Speaker 5: a nasty guy, a nasty guy. We also heard that

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Speaker 5: Joe's coming out with a new party called the Empiolic Kids.

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Speaker 5: What a terrible idea, just to disgrace of a day,

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Speaker 5: but the party and Joe's been an oyal guy, but

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Speaker 5: now he's turning like e love. We Hopie comes to

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Speaker 5: his Sits is a bunday, but.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see. That's kind of a combo Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump Darth Vader thing there. I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty amusing. Yeah, here's you crically done. Who

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Speaker 2: did that? As great? Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe.

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Speaker 4: Getty, Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on

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Speaker 4: the crew to wrap things up for the day, beginning

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Speaker 4: with our technic Cule director Michaelangelo. Michael final thought, all Right,

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Speaker 4: I've decided I have got to get good at AI.

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Speaker 3: I've got to find the best you know, Chat GBT,

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Speaker 3: all the different AI apps and get good.

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Speaker 2: At this stuff. Yeah, yeah, you might as well. We

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Speaker 2: all need to. Katie Green are Esteemed Newswoman. As a

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Speaker 2: final thought, Katie.

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Speaker 7: I am one hundred percent chot team chat GPT. I'm

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Speaker 7: using it more and more every day.

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Speaker 3: It's something and then once once you get started in

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Speaker 3: the habit, it's just it's it's there for so many things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Jack. Final thought for us, I am fighting so hard

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Speaker 3: the desire to eat a donut. Their donuts everywhere. I'm starving.

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Speaker 3: It's National Donut Day. I feel like I'm a bad

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Speaker 3: American if I don't take one.

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Speaker 2: In something or something. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My final thought is getting back to the whole addicted

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Speaker 4: to vengeance thing I was reading about. You know that

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Speaker 4: feeling you get when somebody like cuts in line or

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Speaker 4: is driving like a moron, and you really want to

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Speaker 4: punish him, and you're imagining what you'd like to do.

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Speaker 4: That pleasure is what people get addicted to actually doing.

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Speaker 2: Hanson just came in with the box of donuts and

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Speaker 2: waved them around my head. That was cool, not helpful.

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Speaker 2: I was not helpful. Hey, why does he want me

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Speaker 2: to be fat?

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Speaker 3: Armstrong in Getty wrapping up another grueling for hour workday.

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Speaker 2: Same reason A drunk wants everybody to drink. So many

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Speaker 2: people saying, so little time.

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Speaker 3: Go to Armstrong Yeddy dot com for the swag, the hotlings,

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Speaker 3: Katie's corners, Katie's she only has one corner. Plus drop

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Speaker 3: us a note something you see over the weekend we

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Speaker 3: ought to be talking about. Send it along mail bag

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Speaker 3: at Armstrongygetdy dot com. Corner spilled with the cake charming

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Speaker 3: See you Monday. God bless America. Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: Is an unpredictable beast. What a powerful metaphor. I was wondering.

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Speaker 2: You know what you felt about that? Whatever you say

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Speaker 2: that and child, listen, it's one final message.

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Speaker 1: It's child to put this word behind us. Just count down, Shade,

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Speaker 1: have a great Friday.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Geddy