1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Guess what mango with I will So I can't remember 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: if we've talked about this on the show before, but 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: but you know what the Wicked Bible is, right, definitely, 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: it's the Bible with that printing error that says, uh, 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: thou shalt commit adultery instead of thou shalt not commit auldulter. Yeah, 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: that one word. There's a slight difference in the meaning there. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: But I've always wanted to see one of these, and 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: there are actually only a few left in the world 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: right now, and it it took about a year for 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: people to realize the error. But when King Charles the 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: first caught on, he was livid. He decided to find 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: the printers something like three hundred pounds. He had their 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: printing licenses revoked and basically shame them out of their positions. 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: And of course the book was immediately banned. There was 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: this massive bonfire to collect and burn every copy of 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: these so called Wicked Bibles, but somehow, I think ten 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: or eleven copies managed to get through, and there of 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: course insanely valuable now. And actually, there's one other thing 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I didn't realize about the book, that the adultery mistake 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: wasn't the only air in the book. What else was 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: wrong with it? According to the Washington Post and Deuteronomy five, 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: it's supposed to say, behold, the Lord hath showed us 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: his glory and his greatness, but instead it says, behold, 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: our Lord has showed us his glory and his great arts. 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that does seem problematic and just like a 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: little bit different than what it actually says, but it 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: points to a bigger theory. So Biblical scholars used to 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: think the Wicked Bible got its name because of one 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: unfortunate printing air, But with this second mistake, it actually 30 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: brings up the idea of sabotage. And there's all these 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: great conspiracy theories about who could have caused it and 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: who wanted to get these royal printers in trouble, and 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: it it makes the Wicked story even more fun. So 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: today's episode is about all the stories of banned books, 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, from political exposes to Ulysses two, Where's Waldo 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: and how it got banned from prisons? So let's dive 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: in m hei their podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm Will Pearson and is always I'm joined by my 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: good friend Man guesh Ticketer and sitting on the other 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: side of that soundproof glass proudly displaying his first edition 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: Captain Underpant's book. That's our Palin producer, Tristan McNeil. So, 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's a cute gag from Tristan 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: showing off how many Captain Underpan's books he has. But 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: did you realize that in two thousand twelve, Captain Underpant's 45 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: was actually the number one band book in America? No? Really, yeah, 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: apparently the a l A or the American Library Association 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: releases this annual list of the titles that were most 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: challenged or banned at libraries and schools and um that year. 49 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: Captain Underpan's actually beat out Fifty Shades of Gray for 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: the time, as well as books like Thirteen Reasons Why, 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: which you know some say glorified suicide. It also beat 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: out classics like Brave New World and To Kill a Mockingbird. 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: That said, I I do have to say the book 54 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: does come with a warning on it that warns readers 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: and parents of readers from the outset. It's a sturgeon 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: General's warning, and he reads some material in this book 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: might be considered offensive by those who don't wear underwear. 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: That's a helpful warning. I mean, you can see how 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: the word underpants might set off some alarm bells for parents, 60 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: and it seems like it's going to be this rude 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: book instead of actually a very sweet one. But you know, 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: on the other hand, the word underpants is exactly why 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: kids get excited to read the book. I mean, the 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: only movie my parents banned me from watching was Ferris 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Bueller's Day Off, which I know, you know, but I 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: still think it's weird. And obviously it's because my dad 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: went to college at like thirteen or something and then 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: failed out because he was working on this underground newspaper 69 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: and playing in the Rolling Stones cover band and entering 70 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: Jitterbug contest apparently, but ovisually he was doing everything except 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: going to school. But my mom didn't want me to 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: get any ideas from the movie. So did you ever 73 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: actually get to see Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Yeah? I 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: saw it like the weekend after it came out on 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: VHS at my uncle's house. You know, it immediately became 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: my favorite movie. Yeah, and it is a great movie. 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you finally got to see it, and 78 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: I like that. We've already talked a little bit about 79 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Captain Underpant's one of my kids favorites, of course when 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: they first discover it. But let me read you a 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: few other children's books that have been banned that that 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: actually kind of surprised me. And I'm going to kick 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: it off with Winnie the Pooh, which oddly has been 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: banned in a lot of countries. So is this because 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the piglet, Because I know Miss Peggy was banned in 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia for I guess for just being a pig um. 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: But actually, you know, before I let you go, I've 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: got this tangent about pigs. Did you see that Pepper 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Pig was banned in China? Which is just so sad? 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: But I did see this. This was just last week, right, 91 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: I didn't actually see why it was banned. So friendly. 92 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: The cartoon character has been, as those say, with like 93 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: laziness and slackers and also gangsters for some reason, like 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: people who are getting Pepper Pig tattoos, which makes no sense. 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: But the countries instead asking its citizen institune into the 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: government created alternative. It's called Little Pig Dodo. But I 97 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: got you off, so tell me a little bit more 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: about Winnie the Pooh. Well, you were right with one 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: of the guesses, and that that's that Some Muslim nations 100 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: have banned the book because of Piglet. But you know, 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: according to the book's enthusiast site, Bookster, it has this 102 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: long history of being banned. And when Winnie the Pooh 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: first came out, some American and Polish leaders were outraged 104 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: because talking animals can, I guess, be seen as an 105 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: insult to God. But the more interesting thing, and something 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about, was that the books are often 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: banned in communist countries, and that's for a different reason. 108 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: It's because the animals are seen as representing the seven 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: deadly sins. So if you think about it, poo is 110 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: a glutton, owl is too proud. I guess you've got 111 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: Piglet who's in he is and or is of course slothful. 112 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Rabbit gets a little too angry or wrathful, and who 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: does that leave? I guess that leads us with Tiger, 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: who is I don't know, bouncy is that one of 115 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: the seven deadly sent But the books are read as 116 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: trying to inspire religion, which is of course problematic in 117 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: communist nations. So I mean that makes sense. But what 118 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: are some of the other surprises you found? All right, well, 119 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: let's see the other ones that have on the list. 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Are you got Ferdinand the Bull that was banned for 121 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: being too pacifists and Gandhi and Franklin Roosevelt loved it, 122 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: and of course Hitler called it degenerate democratic propaganda. I mean, 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: I feel like those quotes should be on the book jacket, right, like, 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: if it's not part of Hitler's Children's book club, that 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: feels like it's a good thing. But what else that 126 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: idea of Hitler's children's book club? All right? Well, the 127 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: one that surprised me the most. And you'll remember this 128 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: from reading it to your kids as as like babies, 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: even as brown Bear, brown Bear, You remember this book, right, yeah, definitely. 130 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: Well that this was a rare case where a book 131 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: was banned by accident. Yeah, I mean, I was about 132 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: to say, it's hard to imagine it being banned for 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: introducing colors and animals to kids. Well, the story is 134 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: that someone on the state Board of Education in Texas 135 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: was doing their research and googled the author's name. His 136 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: name is Bill Martin and confused him with a different 137 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Bill Martin who had written a book called Ethical Marxism. 138 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: So that's why there's not quite the juicy story behind it. 139 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: I was hoping they had been offended for some ridiculous reason, 140 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: but they're just so many interesting ones on this list. Also, 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: one of our favorite authors or kids authors, Shel Silverstein, 142 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: his book A Light in the Attic, was banned in Wisconsin. 143 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: So this is confusing to me because I mean, it 144 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: would make sense to me if The Giving Tree was banned, 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: because you know, the hero of that book is so selfish, 146 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: but a lightened attics just so good. Oh, no kidding it. 147 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: And I you'll remember this poem when you hear it. 148 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: But this is the offending poem, and and you can 149 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: decide for yourself. It's called how not to have to 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: dry the dishes. It goes like us, if you have 151 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to dry the dishes, such an awful, boring chore. If 152 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: you have to dry the dishes intead of going to 153 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: the store. If you have to dry the dishes and 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: you drop one on the floor, maybe they won't let 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: you dry the dishes anymore. So basically, you know, parents 156 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: were worried about kids breaking their china, I guess, or 157 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: having kids manipulate their way out of chores or something. 158 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: It's just so weird that this was banned for that. 159 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous, right, Like, don't we want mischievous kids, 160 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: like not too mischievous, but you want a little Zanian 161 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: nous and creativity and the kind of kid who laughs 162 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: at poems like that. Also, I do think if you're 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: gonna take things so literally, shouldn't we be stopping kids 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: from fables about like mice taking thorns out of lions 165 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: pause because you really shouldn't be touching lions pause, Or 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: from like watching things like Honey, I shrunk the kids 167 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: because shrinking your kids isn't great parenting. You're right, it's 168 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: really not a good idea if you're a parent. I'm 169 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: glad that we've learned that now that we're both parents. 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: But it feels like, you know, when you look at 171 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: the breakdown of the types of books that have been banned, 172 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: especially kids books that have been banned, you can break 173 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: them down in a couple of ways. Some of the 174 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: bands are about the type of kid that you want 175 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: to raise. Obviously, a good communist who's banning Winnie the 176 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: Pooh is trying to protect future generations from what they 177 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: see as the shackles of religion, I guess. And it's 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: the same with Shell Silverstein or Captain Underpants. And you know, 179 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: whether right or wrong, their parents who want to raise 180 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: a certain kind of good kid who's never exposed to 181 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: any rude ideas. But then there's another type of book 182 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: that gets banned, and that's a little bit more about 183 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: these difficult conversations. So how do you mean, Well, there 184 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: was this interesting article in the Atlantic and it was 185 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: written by Paul Ringel, who's a history professor, and this 186 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: from back in two thousand and sixteen. But he was 187 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: talking about about fifty two percent of books that were 188 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: banned or challenged in the ten years prior to two 189 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen were what you'd label as diverse content. 190 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Now these are books like The Hate You Give or Wonder, 191 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: which you know about race, or religion, or gender, sexual orientation, 192 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: many cases, even disabilities. But you know, he points out 193 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: that this isn't a new issue. Parents have always been 194 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: wary of having difficult conversations with their kids. In the 195 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: eight hundreds, there was this magazine called Juvenile Miscellany, which 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: I guess was kind of like the highlights of the 197 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Cricket magazine of its time, and it was filled with 198 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: stories for children, and it was distributed mostly in New England. 199 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: But you know, then started running these anti slavery stories 200 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: which really worked to humanize the slaves. And this was 201 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: in the eighteen thirties, and immediately the readership dropped. Then 202 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: the magazine folded about a year or so after that, 203 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: I think, and as he puts it quote, the outcome 204 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: had a chilling effect on other publications. Everyone was scared 205 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: of talking about issues of slavery, even though this audience 206 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: is actually in the Northeast. But his point was that 207 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: the publishers have always had this divide. You know, do 208 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: you write to please your kid readers while encouraging them 209 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: to think about the larger world, or do you please 210 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: the parent and stay in this comfy, rble safe zone. 211 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: And then the case of something like shel Silverstein, isn't 212 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: having a conversation about how to read. You know that 213 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: you don't just trust something because it's imprinted. It seems 214 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: like that's a good conversation to have pretty early in 215 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: a kid's life. Yeah, it's a good question, and I've 216 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: actually heard a similar argument that the reason it took 217 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: so long for books like Corduroy or Ezra Jack's Keith 218 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Snowy Day to break the color barrier and children's books 219 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: with African American heroes was that publishers had actually been 220 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: hesitant to publish anything that made parents feel uncomfortable. But 221 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: during the era of civil rights, those worries were breaking down. Yeah, 222 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: and actually, while we're talking about race, let's let's take 223 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: a second to talk about Huck Finn, which, of course 224 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: you know we've known has been on the band Books 225 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: list over the years. And it's funny how this book 226 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: caused controversy from the very beginning, and for very different reasons. 227 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: At first, Mark Twain's classic was banned for being too 228 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: progressive and humanizing slaves, and it was also banned for 229 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: having low class language and conquered Massachusetts librarians called the 230 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: trash and said it was suitable only for the slums. 231 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Then people in Missouri thought it showed them as backwards 232 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: talking as well, and then, you know, you fast forward 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: later in the fifties, then Double A CP raised the 234 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: issue of how many times rachel slurs are used in 235 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: the book, and eventually it got banned for being racist. 236 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: So I love The Adventures of Huckleberry Fin. I I 237 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: think when I read it, I was just so taken 238 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: with this idea of um, I don't know, like an 239 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: unreliable and mischievous storyteller and who just pulls you through 240 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: an adventure. And it was just so funny and unpretentious 241 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: to me and totally different from everything else I'd read. 242 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: But I just saw this thing in g Q. They 243 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: put out a list of twenty one books you don't 244 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: have to read, and it's kind of a read this 245 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: not that for classic literature. And Katie Weaver, who we 246 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: love from our mental flast days and is one of 247 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: my favorite writers. She she made a really smart point, 248 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: she writes, quote, the worst crime committed by the Adventures 249 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: of Huckleberry Finn is that it makes first time Twin 250 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: readers think that Twain wrote tedious meandering stories. He did, 251 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: as is evidenced by this his book of Tedious Meandering Stories, 252 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: but he also wrote a lot of richly entertaining meandering 253 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: stories that are not constrained by the ham fisted narration 254 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: of a fictional backcountry child or suffused with his sweaty 255 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: imitation of a slave talking. Alternatively, read Frederick Douglas's firsthand 256 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: account of slavery, which is equal parts shocking and heartbreaking. 257 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: While Jim, the affable slave friend of Huck Finn exclaims 258 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: things like lawsy as mighty glad, Frederick Douglas makes observations 259 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: like I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ. 260 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding women, whipping cradle plundering, 261 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. I mean, I 262 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: condenced to writing some And she goes on to talk 263 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: about how amazing the plot of narrative of the life 264 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglas is. But uh, it's a smart point 265 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: that we too often tell this like slave with the 266 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: smile type story to kids and our cultural reference point 267 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: for a slave who's escaped as Jim from Huck Finn, 268 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: instead of this unbelievably eloquent and really powerful Frederick Douglas. Yeah, 269 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: that's a great point, and I do love Katie's writing. 270 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: That's a that's a really really powerful quote from that. 271 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: But I actually want to talk about an equally important 272 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: book and one that might be seen as as powerful 273 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: and that not surprisingly mango, it's Where's Waldo? So, but 274 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: before we chat about why you can't read it in prisons, 275 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. Welcome back to Part Time Genius. 276 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: We we're talking banned books and specifically Where's Waldo? Now? Well, 277 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: I do have to confess. One of my favorite little 278 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: stories from our friend Jake Rosson is on the Where's Waldo? 279 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: Topless beach scandal? And every time I see a Where's 280 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Waldo book, I think about that. But I don't think 281 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: this is what you were talking about when you said 282 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: Waldo was banned to prisons. Now that the Walldo that 283 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: got banned at prisons was Where's Waldo? Santa Spectacular? But 284 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: tell me what is this topless candal? It's really delicious. 285 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: So apparently it started when some kid in East Hampton, 286 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: New York got a Waldo book out of the library 287 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: and found that one of the tiny women in this 288 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: big beach scene was topless. She's a sunbathing on her 289 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: stomach and lying on top of her top and this 290 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: kid with an ice cream cone kind of touches the 291 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: cone to her back, so in the pic she's captured 292 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: arching her back up in shock. Yeah, I can see 293 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: why parents might have been a little concerned by this, 294 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: but I'm curious to know how much breast is little 295 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: Johnny seeing here. Well, from my initial reading, I thought 296 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: it was just a little side boop, but apparently there's 297 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: definitely some nipple in there as well. And according to 298 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: Jake's reporting, the kid was quote as quote being disgusted 299 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and upon finding not Waldo, he kind of immediately ran 300 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: to tell his mom, but not before showing it to 301 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: his younger brother first. But anyway, the mom got the 302 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: book banned from American libraries and bookstores, which is reasonable, 303 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: I guess, but I had forgotten this. The books are 304 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: actually from or Oh, that's right, He's what's he called? Here? 305 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Is Where's Wally? Right exactly? And you know, nudity and 306 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: topless sunbathing isn't exactly controversial there. So while Where's Waldo 307 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: was on the top of this books list throughout the nineties, 308 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: right next to Howard Stern's Private Parts, Where's Wally actually 309 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: got to keep hanging out with the topless woman on 310 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: the beach, And of course it wasn't long before she 311 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: covered up for American audiences. But tell me about this 312 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Santa Spectacular because I'm super curious. Well, I'm glad you 313 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: took us on that on that tangent. I never thought 314 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: the word side boob would be said on Part Time Genius, 315 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: but we managed to to pull that off. But when 316 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: you talk about this one, actually the band in Texas 317 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: prisons was based less about a war on sand and 318 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: it was more about the fact that the book came 319 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: with stickers. Apparently, stickers are banned in prison for a 320 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: number of reasons. First, you can you can make band 321 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: aids with them, which is a problem because jails want 322 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: to know about injuries, both major and minor, that are 323 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: going on there. And also, stickers are an easy way 324 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: to cover up a camera or a glass, and that 325 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: might keep the guards from looking at you, So it 326 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: makes sense for the prison to ban them. But the 327 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: author was partially pointing out the absurdity of the fact 328 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: that books like mine comp and The Holy Book of 329 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler they're considered acceptable literature while being seen with 330 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: a copy of Where's Waldo Santa Spectacular will land you 331 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: in solitary. I love that you could be a badass 332 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: in jail for just smuggling in a copy of Wear's 333 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: Waldo And speaking of smuggling, uh, I know, we wanted 334 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: to talk about my favorite story of all time, how 335 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: Ulysses by James Joyce got to the US, and this 336 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: involves one of our favorite publishers, Bennett Surf. That's right. 337 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: So Bennett Surf is the publisher who founded Random House, 338 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: and we've talked about him a couple of times. He's, 339 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: of course the guy who bet Dr Seuss that he 340 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: couldn't write a book with less than fifty words. We 341 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: mentioned that before and that the book ended up being 342 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: Green Eggs in Ham, But actually before we talked about 343 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: this anymore, can I tell you my favorite Bennett Surf fact? Definitely? 344 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: So Bennett Surf loved writers and he liked hanging out 345 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: with them and talking to them about literature, and he 346 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: actually liked make edits. He once pleaded with iron Ran 347 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: to cut the John Galt speech, and I love her 348 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: response to this, She said, would you cut the Bible? 349 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: Which is just kind of like peaque iron Ran. But 350 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: my favorite fact is that he loved Gertrude Stein and 351 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: he would publish her books just a kind of be 352 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: in her orbit. And Surf enjoyed big personalities and challenging authors, 353 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: and he even admitted in his introduction to her book 354 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: the book was called Geographical History of America or the 355 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Relation of Human Nature to the Human Mind. It's quite 356 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: a long title, but this is how his intro to 357 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: the book starts. I must admit, frankly, I do not 358 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: know what ms Stein is talking about. I do not 359 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: even understand the title. That's ridiculous. Apparently she was fine 360 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: with it, and they had this relationship that was pretty playful, 361 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: and when he asked her to explain the line arose 362 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: as a rose as a rose, she just responded, Bennett, 363 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: you're a very nice boy, but you're rather stupid. And 364 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: I just always kind of was amused by that quote. 365 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: But let's talk about the Ultimate band Book, which is 366 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: of course Ulysses definitely. So this telling is based on 367 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: a story I worked on in Metal Flass with my 368 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: pal Lucas Adams. But I'm gonna try to keep it 369 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: as quick as I can. So Surf, as you listeners 370 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: have probably figured out by now, is this charismatic and 371 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: savvy and really energized character and he's trying to make 372 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: a name for his new company, Random House, and Ulysses 373 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: has been around for a while, but it gained a 374 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: reputation for being obscene. A Harvard professor at the time 375 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: it claimed that the work showed that Joyce was quote 376 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: in an advanced stage of psychic disintegration, and places like 377 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Quarterly Review talked about the book like it was trying 378 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: to destroy Western civilization. And of course all of this 379 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: baffled James Joyce right like he was a little irritated 380 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: that he had written this masterpiece and poured all his 381 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: effort into this and he just couldn't make any money 382 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: off it. When it was being serialized in the US, 383 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: the courts banned it on similar obscenity grounds. The New 384 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: York Society for the Suppression of Vice had actually set 385 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: up this court case against it, and it made it 386 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: so that just owning a copy of the book was 387 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: this arrestable offense. I mean, this is crazy, right for Joyce, 388 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: it was just this book that he couldn't get anyone 389 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: to take on anyway. In the famous indie bookstore in 390 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: Paris called the Shakespeare Publishing Company starts publishing the book 391 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: in this light blue cover, and to be seen with 392 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: these books was kind of a thing for the literarty. 393 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: So if you wanted to read the book in the US, 394 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: you'd have to go there or sneak a copy over. 395 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: And it was kind of fun and illegal. But if 396 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: the Postal Service got their hands on the book, they 397 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: were under strict orders to burn it immediately, and you 398 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: could actually get arrested for owning a copy if you 399 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: really flaunted it. So it progresses like this for a while, 400 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: and then about ten years later in two and this 401 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: is when Surf is really launching Random House. He's hanging 402 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: out with this brilliant lawyer friend of his name, Morris Ernst, 403 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: and Ernest is talking about how disgusted he is with 404 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: censorship and the censorship of this book in particular, and 405 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Surf immediately hatches a plan. He really smells opportunity for 406 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: his little company, so he thinks, what if he can 407 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: get Earnest to represent him in court. He paid the 408 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: court fees, and if Ernst wins, he gets a cut 409 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: of the royalties. So he proposes this to Earns and 410 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: Earns degrees and now he just has to get James 411 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: Joyce on for so he writes this letter on why 412 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: Joyce should take a chance on him, and of course 413 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: Joyce is delighted because he hasn't made a cent off 414 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: this thing in England or in the US. And just 415 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: one little detail here that's just so funny to be 416 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: When Surf meets Joyce in Paris, Joyce shows up in 417 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: a sling and foot and head bandages and also this 418 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: eye patch over his left eye, and Surf didn't know 419 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: what was going on. He actually didn't realize that Joyce 420 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: always wore the eye patch, but the rest of the 421 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: injuries were fresh. And apparently when Joyce had heard the 422 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: news about this Masterfiees getting published or possibly published in America, 423 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: he was so giddy that he accidentally walked right into 424 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: traffic and got slammed by a taxi cab. Anyway, he 425 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: still somehow makes it to Paris, where Surf makes a 426 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: deal with him. He's going to give him dollars and 427 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, royalties whether or not they win the court case. 428 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: And Joyce is over joyed. So Surf has this Ace 429 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: lawyer and he is the blessing of the novelist. But 430 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: here's where things get absolutely bonkers. So Surf now has 431 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: to do the worst and most important smuggling job in 432 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: the world. He and Ernest want to bring the book 433 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: back to the US, but they need to be caught 434 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: with it so that they can start a court case 435 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: over it. And so this is unbelievably planned out like 436 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: the book World's Oceans eleven. First, Surf and Earnest look 437 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: for a favorable judge, someone with an artsy bent, who 438 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: you know, might be in favor of the arts and 439 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: would rule and favor of the arts. They need an 440 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: intellectual and they find it in this judge named John M. Woolsley. 441 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: And then they have to locate the specific port to 442 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: get caught at so that they can get that judge. 443 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: So somehow they figured that out, but it turns out 444 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: he's on vacation, so they actually have to delay till 445 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: he's back. But then they don't just want to give 446 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: him a book, right, They want to stack the deck 447 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: a little. So they take a copy of this light 448 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: blue book from Paris and they start pasting in as 449 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: much critical praise in the book as possible. Inside the covers, 450 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: they actually attached praise from Ezra Pound and Ford Madox 451 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: Ward and all these other giants of literature and critics 452 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: who loved the book. And as Surf put it, by 453 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: the time we were finished, the covers were bulging, and 454 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: now all they have to do is find a terrible 455 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: smuggler and pay him to get caught with the book 456 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: at customs, which sounds easy, but here's where it gets hilarious. 457 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: So the smuggler has this book in his suitcase. He's 458 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: getting off of the right port, but it's so hot 459 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: and there's so many people on this summer day at 460 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: customs that the officers are just waving people through. And 461 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: this was not the plan. This guy had been paid 462 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: explicitly to get caught, and if he goes through customs, 463 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 1: his whole journey to Paris and back would have been 464 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: for not so he starts making a fuss. He tells 465 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: the inspector, I insist you open the bag and search it, 466 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: and the officer is just like, it's too hot, and 467 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: so the smuggler starts confessing. He says there's something in 468 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: there that's contraband, and I insist that it be searched. 469 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: So they just keep bickering, and the officer finally does 470 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: it and finds this copy of Ulysses and he sort 471 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: of just shrugs him through. And then the smuggler says, 472 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I demand that you sees this book, and while the 473 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: officers tell him, look, it's a hundred degrees in here, 474 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: and I'm saying, you can just go through some motherlers 475 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: going on about what the officers duties are, and what 476 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: the officers duties are as an American official and laws, 477 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: and finally he just keeps ranting for such a long 478 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: time that the manager comes over, and of course, you know, 479 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: the supervising official also just wants to get this over with. 480 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: He wants the irritating passengers to go through, but uh, 481 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: he keeps complaining. And finally they realized this dude isn't 482 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: going to stop, and then they impound the book. And 483 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: the case was pretty breezy, right, very it took just 484 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: two days. And you know this Judge Wolseley read the 485 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: book and all the criticism, and then he actually consulted 486 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: two of his friends were also fans of literature, and 487 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: while he said the book wasn't easy to read or understand, 488 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: he wrote, quote, each word of the book contributes like 489 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a mosaic to the detail of the 490 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: picture which Joyce is seeking to construct for his readers. 491 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: He also called Ulysses a sincere and serious attempt to 492 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: devise a new literary method for the observation and description 493 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: of mankind, and you know, in remove this ban on 494 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: the book. Welsley's point was that the average readers should 495 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: be given access to books like ULYSSI is because it's 496 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: only the normal person that the law is concerned with, 497 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty important, right. I mean, it's often the 498 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: squeaky wheels on these extreme ends who get the judgments 499 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: and the laws passed. But Wilsey was deciding for the 500 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, I guess the normal person. Yeah, I mean, 501 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: it's amazing how fast Surf also jumped on this decision, 502 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: like he had the printing press raid to kick on 503 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: ten minutes after they got the verdict. And the case 504 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: actually got appealed, but it one two to one in 505 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: circuit court. And Joyce, for his part, was super excited. 506 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that this case one in America 507 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: meant that the floodgates would open, and he knew England 508 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be far behind. In fact, Surf actually said 509 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: that Joyce was so excited he thought he might emigrate 510 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: to the US, but then it turned out he was 511 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: too afraid to get on a boat to make the 512 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: journey and as for the case itself, it actually ended 513 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: up being this landmark judgment that was cited in future 514 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: obscenity cases, including Tropic of Cancer. I mean, that's funny 515 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: because I read this New Yorker story about Walter Minton. 516 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: He was the publisher at Putnam and he was responsible 517 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: for publishing Tropic of Cancer as well as Lolita and 518 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: quite a few other important books. And when he was 519 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: about to publish Norman Mailer, Bennett Serf actually called him 520 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: up and warned him not to publish the books because 521 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: he was afraid the censors would come down on everybody 522 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: as a result. And of course Minton, who was in 523 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: the same mold as Serf, actually took out an ad 524 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: for the book that said the book six publishers refused 525 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: to bring you. It's kind of funny how cyclical this 526 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: stuff is. But anyway, we we've got a few more 527 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: stories to get through. But before we do that, let's 528 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: take a quick break. Welcome back to Part time Genius. 529 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: So Mango, one of the things I've been thinking about 530 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: a lot is how would you ban a book you 531 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: actually just give it so much more attention. And yeah, 532 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: we we did this story a while back on this book. 533 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: It was called the Minute Book of the General Council 534 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: of the International Working Men's Association, and you know that's 535 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: a long title, but it was actually supposedly seen as 536 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: this foundational document of Karl Marx and this group. It 537 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: ended up somehow getting locked up in this British library, 538 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: was protected by this very strict British librarian for years, 539 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: and people just kept obsessing over how important this book 540 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: was and they couldn't get their hands on it. And 541 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: you know, they thought I would actually show you how 542 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: to start revolutions and how to turn capitalists into socialists, 543 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: and instead, when it was finally revealed to the public, 544 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: what was in it, it just ended up being this 545 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: like little balanced book of accounts. It was a ledger 546 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: for the club essentially, and it was totally anti climatic. 547 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: But when the uss are finally published it, you know, 548 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: no one paid attention to it. I mean, it's interesting 549 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: to hear what's been happening in Hong Kong. I don't 550 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: know if you heard this episode about this from from 551 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: The Daily, one of our our favorite podcast. I mean, 552 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: I love The Daily, but I actually haven't heard this one. Well, 553 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: there's this publisher there that have been publishing books on 554 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: the sex lives and seedy gossip about ministers, and it 555 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: was all nonfiction, I believe, and he had some cover 556 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: by operating from Hong Kong, which has of course been 557 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: part of China since nine but it has that British 558 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: legacy there, so just like Surf, he'd figured out which 559 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: ports were important, though he was actually smuggling and was 560 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: getting like of the books through. But when he published 561 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: a book about the President's extra marital affairs, he and 562 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: his colleagues were kidnapped in the mainland for months I 563 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: think it was, And it's a crazy story and eventually 564 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: he gets out and starts operating again from Taiwan. But 565 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: it's just so good and it's also an amazing reminder 566 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: of how good we have it here. But anyway, before 567 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: we close out the show, I wanted to tell you 568 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: one quick story about Judy Bloom. So, I mean, Judic 569 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: Boom is my favorite. Like I actually just got my 570 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: son hooked onto Super Funch series partially because he was 571 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: missing New York City and those books actually talk a 572 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: lot about the city and moving and also what it's 573 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: like to have a ridiculous and irritating younger. But are 574 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: you going to talk about are you there? God, it's me, Margaret, Well, 575 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: that's definitely part of it. So so Judy Balloons had 576 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: a few books that have been banned, but that's probably 577 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: her most famous because it talks about puberty and getting 578 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: your period. And I read this story in the Times 579 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: where she talked about why she thought the book was banned, 580 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: and she said, quote, I think the feeling was if 581 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: my child doesn't read this, my child won't know about it, 582 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: and it's not going to happen to my child. And 583 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: I used to get up there on stage and say, 584 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: I have news for you. Your kids are going through puberty, 585 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, So why not help them. 586 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: It's going to happen whether they read my books or 587 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: no books or someone else's books. Man, I love that. Again, 588 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: it does go back to that difficult conversation, those things 589 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: you try to avoid with your kids. Yeah. But the 590 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: funniest part is that when people come to visit the 591 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: bookstore she founded in Key West, it's called Books and Books. 592 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: She takes great pleasure in pushing banned books onto them. 593 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: As she told The Times, it's my new thrill as 594 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: a bookseller to put that right e book into the 595 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: hands of someone who appreciates what it's saying, which is 596 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: what she said after she'd sold a couple of book 597 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: about two male penguins who hatch and raise a baby 598 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: bird together and it's called and Tango Makes Three. I 599 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: like that she's still out there fighting for ben books. 600 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: What a superhero. Well why don't we end on that note. 601 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: But before we go, let's get in a fact off 602 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: and instead of just doing it on banned books, how 603 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: about we opened it up to all banned things. All right, 604 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: let's do it. Well. I think we all remember that 605 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush hated broccoli. But what I've forgotten 606 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: was the statement he made about banning broccoli from being 607 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: served on Air Force One. And here's what it said. 608 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't like broccoli and I haven't liked it since 609 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: I was a little kid and my mother made me 610 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: eat it. And I'm president of the United States and 611 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to eat broccoli anymore. Also, apparently he 612 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: just used to shovel down junk food. I saw this 613 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: in the Time Times, but they described the food he 614 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: ate as everything that quote can be procured at baseball games, 615 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: fast food joints or seven eleven, beef, jerky, nachos, tacos, 616 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: chili ree, fried beans, hamburgers, hot dogs, barbecue, ribs, candy, popcorn, 617 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: ice cream, and cake. Actually that makes me hungry just 618 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: reading that quote. But when Peggy Noonan saw him eat, 619 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: she described it like an embarrassed teenage boy. And on 620 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: a few occasions he tried to eat something healthy like yogurt, 621 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: he'd quote spice it up with butter fingers. That's pretty amazing. 622 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: And I had no idea he was such a poor eater. 623 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: Slash also my eating soulmate. But exactly, I actually remember 624 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: when he said that thing about broccoli, and I feel 625 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: like his poll numbers in my fourth grade class just 626 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: shut up immediately. So here's one about divis and butt head. Basically, 627 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: they got banned early in the show from shouting fire 628 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: because people thought the cartoon was leading to arson cases, 629 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: so to avoid the sensors, they would shout words like 630 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: fryer instead. Oh gosh, that's so ridiculous. Al Right, Well, 631 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: according to The New York Or, China has a band 632 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: on time traveling books and movies because it quote disrespects history. Also, 633 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: if you're in Beijing, you should be where there's a 634 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: height limit on dogs, so keep your pets under fourteen inches. Also, 635 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: if you don't have permission from China's government, you can't 636 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: reincarnate their mango. Just keep that in mind. Got it. 637 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: So no hot tub time machine, no traveling with a 638 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: great day, and no reincarnation to actually feel it's like 639 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: the hot tub time machine part. That's the hardest for me. 640 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: So here's what I like. When the Soviet Union was 641 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: still a thing, comedians had to run all their jokes 642 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: by the Department of Jokes. It was actually called the 643 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Humor Department of the Censorship Apparatus of the Soviet Ministry 644 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: of Culture, and they would cut any joke you said 645 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: about politics, religion, or sex, which meant that most routines 646 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: were based on animal jokes. I just love the idea 647 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: that if you're really trying to carve out like a 648 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: career as a comedian, you'd have to have like a 649 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: tight five on hamsters. All right, Well, here's something else 650 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: that I had forgotten. The n C double A at 651 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: one point banned the slam dunk basically because they wanted 652 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: to keep one player from scoring. It was actually called 653 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: the lu al cinder rule, and it was introduced just 654 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: to keep Kareem Abdul Jabbar from scoring. There's an article 655 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: in Cracked about this, and as they put it, n 656 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: C double A officials claimed that they were simply banning 657 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: a non skillful shot, while Kareem saw it as a 658 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: racist attempt to stop black people from invading the game. 659 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: And it's Crack rightly points out that might sound far 660 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: fetched until you remember that this was a mere three 661 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: years after the Civil Rights Act. Um, and that's interesting. 662 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I can't beat a Kareem fact I. 663 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I think you have to take home today's trophy. I 664 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: think we probably all understand that you really cannot be 665 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: a Kareem abdul Jabbar fact. So thanks so much. I 666 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of knew that was gonna be my winner today. 667 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: But I'm sure there are plenty of great facts about 668 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: banned books or anything that was banned in general, and 669 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: we would love to hear those from you. As always. 670 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: You can email us part time genius at how stuff 671 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: Works dot com or call us on our two seven 672 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: fact hotline one eight four four PTG Genius. We also 673 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: love to hear from you on Facebook or Twitter. 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