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Speaker 2: So, like I mentioned earlier, we've treaked the criteria each

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Speaker 2: Jamal if you get over the top, but you're separated

433
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: at all because you get caught a little bit on

434
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: the pick, or he just shed you with a move

435
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: that sets you up for the pick. He can score

436
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: effectively in the mid range. He's forty six percent on

437
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: mid range pull out twos, and he's just as efficient

438
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: outside as seventeen feet as he is inside of seventeen feet.

439
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: A very good mid range jump shooter, forty three percent

440
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: on floaters, so he can make the shots in the

441
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: short to mid range that you get if you run

442
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: into the pick. And then he finishes at the rim

443
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: better than most guards. He was sixty percent at the

444
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: rim last year. Five attempts per game. That's really good.

445
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: And then he's an underrated playmaker out of action. He's

446
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: averaged six point two assists per game in the three

447
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: seasons since his knee injury, at roughly a three to

448
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: one assist The turnover ratio not an offensive engine like

449
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: some of the other guys we will discuss on this list,

450
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: but he can make the reads. But most importantly, and

451
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: this is the separator from Jamal, for Jamal from many

452
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: of the other players, even some guys that are above

453
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: him on this list. In the event of a switch

454
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: or a situation that calls for one on one, he

455
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: is still one of the very best one on one

456
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: players in the NBA. He ran two hundred and five

457
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 2: fifty ISOs and post ups last year including passes, and

458
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: generated two hundred and sixty five points out of them.

459
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: That's one point zero six point per possession, which is

460
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: very good for one on one play, specifically with ISOs.

461
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: His one point zero four points per possession including passes

462
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: ranked thirteenth out of the fifty two players to run

463
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: at least one hundred and fifty ISOs last year, ahead

464
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: of big names like Steph Curry, Lebron James, Jason Tatum,

465
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell. He is remarkably gifted at getting separation with

466
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 2: dribble combinations. In footwork, he can shoot step backs and

467
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: side steps and turn around jump shots over both shoulders.

468
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: He can get wherever he wants to on the floor,

469
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: get separation from defenders, and his shot making ability is incredible,

470
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: and so that's what makes him such an incredible two

471
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: man game partner with Nikola JOKICCH Jokic is an excellent

472
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: screener and he has great role man gravity. Right guys

473
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: gravitate towards him on the roll, so he gets good

474
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: separation in ball screens and in those situations forty percent

475
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: on pull up threes, forty six percent on pull up twos,

476
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: forty three percent on floaters, sixty percent at the rim.

477
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: He's very efficient making any shot that he might need

478
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: to make coming off of action with Nikola JOKICCH. But

479
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: then if you switch, he's going to be able to

480
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: burn a big man or to post up a small

481
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: He's got the versatility as a one on one player

482
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: to fulfill the other side of the two man game

483
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: equation with Nikola Jokic. That is the separator. That's what

484
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: makes him so uniquely impactful alongside NIKOLEA. Jokic relative to

485
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: his like in a vacuum type of value, he doesn't

486
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: really have a weakness on offense. If you leave him

487
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: wide open, he's a great catch and shoot player. He's

488
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: forty one point four percent on unguarded catch and shoot

489
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: jump shot. Last year, he can drive a close out.

490
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: He finishes extremely well on cuts for a guard. He

491
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: shoots seventy one percent on cuts because he's a good

492
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: rim finisher. In the playoffs, he had his late his

493
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: like ups and downs. This is worth mentioning with Jamal,

494
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: but one of the things that's kind of prevented his

495
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: up and down shot making In terms of postseason consistency,

496
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: He's been so good late in games that it undoes

497
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: most of the damage from that kind of inconsistent shooting.

498
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: He's hit in the last three playoff runs sixteen clut shots,

499
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: including multiple buzzer beaters. He is one of the most

500
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: dependable late game shot makers in the NBA, which gives

501
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: him a ton of postseason utility. Now he has his downsides,

502
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: Jamal can be a very frustrating player because of his lows.

503
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: He's notorious for coming into training camp out of shape

504
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: and then playing his way into shape. His seasons tend

505
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: to take on this repetitive flow where he gets in

506
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: shape and plays really well in the middle portion of

507
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: the season, but then his body starts to break down.

508
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: He's had to miss a decent chunk of time right

509
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: before the postseason in each of the last two years,

510
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: those injuries end up then disrupting his rhythm and preventing

511
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: him from getting to that level of consistency. Again, if

512
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: you look during the title run, he averaged twenty six

513
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: point six rebounds and seven assists on fifty nine percent

514
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: true shooting. He's shown it before that for four playoff

515
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: rounds he can be a reliable score. He just hasn't

516
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: been able to replicate the necessary conditioning in that conditioning

517
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: is directly related to you being able to sustain certain

518
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: little bang up injuries that you might get over the

519
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: course of the year. The stuff with defense with Jamal

520
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm less concerned with. Again, like we talked about earlier,

521
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: there are two different kinds of bad defenders. Guys who

522
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: just straight up don't understand defense and are constantly in

523
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: the wrong place. These are mistake makers. They incessantly make mistakes,

524
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: and it makes them impossible to bring or build a

525
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: good defense around. Then there's the guys that are limited

526
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: athletes and because of their offensive focus, they might have

527
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: a lot of like laziness in the regular season, or

528
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: it's less about them not understanding where to be, but

529
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: them just being like bah, fuck it, We'll try it

530
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: again on the next possession, or we'll do it at

531
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: the end of the game when we need to. Right,

532
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys who fall into that category.

533
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: Jamal falls into that category. And in that category, these

534
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: are guys that have high IQ, that do understand defense,

535
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: do know where to be, do know when to rotate,

536
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: when not to, how to fulfill a role in a defense.

537
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: Those guys can scale up their defense when they need to.

538
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: And it's absolutely worth mentioning that the Nuggets have been

539
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: able to scale up their defense to where they need

540
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: to get in the playoffs, winning the title in twenty

541
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: twenty three. Last year, they did about as good a

542
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: job guarding Oklahoma City as anybody in that playoff run

543
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: because of their intelligence, their overall cumulative intelligence on the

544
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: defensive end of the floor. And Jamal Murray was part

545
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: of that. And he's a good defensive playmaker. But the

546
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: conditioning stuff is real and it obviously comes with inconsistency

547
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: that has hurt his team at times over the years.

548
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: That's what prevents Jamal from reaching his potential again. I've

549
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: had him as high as number sixteen on this list

550
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: two summers ago. After they won the title. He is

551
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: capable of getting back to that level if he can

552
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: work on those conditioning details and maximize his talent over

553
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: the course of an entire season. For all to talk about,

554
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, Nikole Jochitz never playing with an All Star

555
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: or an All NBA player, we all know.

556
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: That Jamal Murray can get to that level.

557
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Maybe not All NBA, but he certainly can get to

558
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: that All Star level as one of the top, you know,

559
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: sixteen to twenty five players in the NBA. He just

560
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: has to maximize through his conditioning to start seasons. But

561
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: even in his current state as a basketball player, he's

562
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: one of the most valuable players in the league, especially

563
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: in his very specific role alongside Nikole Yokic, which is

564
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: his ability to score and playmake out of every conceivable situation,

565
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: including switches. It's truly unique. There's not a lot of guards,

566
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: including the next guy we're going to discuss on this list,

567
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: that have that level of versatility, and it's what allows

568
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: Jamal to come in at number twenty five on this

569
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: year's list. Number twenty four Tray Young. Last season in review,

570
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: he played in seventy six games, average twenty four points,

571
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: three rebounds and twelve assists, one point four stocks. Decent

572
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: steels guy. Over the course of the last couple seasons,

573
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: his efficiency forty one percent from the field, thirty four

574
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: percent from three eighty eight percent from the foul line

575
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: represents forty nine percent an effective field goal percentage fifty

576
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: seven percent in true shooting. This is a lot having

577
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: to do with his throw rate. He's a high free

578
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: throw rate, and he shoots the ball well when he

579
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: gets to the foul line. That allows him to have

580
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: a high true shooting percentage relative to his actual ability

581
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: to put the ball in the basket. Play type data

582
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: consistently one of the highest volume pick and roll players

583
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: in the NBA. He ran over two thousand pick and

584
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: rolls last year including passes. For perspective, when I've done

585
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: the high volume pick and roll list each summer, I

586
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: typically have the cutoff at one thousand. He's ran over

587
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: two thousand. Shake Gilges Alexander ran the second most last year,

588
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: fourteen hundred and ten, so a massive gap in pick

589
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: and roll volume between Trey and the rest of the league.

590
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Trey ran two thousand and seventy eight pick and rolls

591
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: last year, generating twenty two hundred points. It's one point

592
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: zero six points per possession. That's very good on the

593
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: high volume list. Out of the thirteen players to run

594
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: at least one thousand pick and rolls, his one point

595
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: zero six points per possession ranked eight. Now, before we

596
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: go any further, I want to shout out Tyres Haliburton

597
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: and Damian Lillard here. Those two guys actually came in

598
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: at number one and number two on this list as

599
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: the most efficient pick and role players in the NBA,

600
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: but obviously they didn't make the list this year because

601
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: of their Achilles tears. I want to particularly draw attention

602
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: to Tyrese Halliburton. He ran over fifteen hundred pick and

603
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: rolls last year, including the playoffs, and got one point

604
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: one to three points per possession, which was far and

605
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: away number one in the NBA and total efficiency. I've

606
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: talked a lot about Tyrese Haliburton's kind of like offensive

607
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: engine capabilities and just how uniquely valuable it is in

608
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: the modern NBA that he can constantly set guys up

609
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: with advantages, and I just wanted to shine a light

610
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: on Tyree's for a second, because, like again, including the postseason,

611
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: massive volume over fifteen hundred pick and rolls. His efficiency

612
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: was three points better per one hundred possessions than anyone

613
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: else in the NBA. Just one of the very best

614
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: offensive engines in the sport. I just wanted to take

615
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: a minute to shout out Tyre Saliburton. With Trey, it's

616
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: important to acknowledge he's playing with less offensive talent than

617
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: many of the high volume pick and roll guys in

618
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: the league. The Hawks ranked eighteenth in spot of efficiency.

619
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: They were a bottom half catch and shoot team. They

620
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: generated more roleman touches than anyone in the league, but

621
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: they were very mediocre at finishing them. This is not

622
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: a team that surrounds Trey Young with super high level

623
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: offensive talent. Trey was a remarkable offensive engine for a

624
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: group of pretty young and pretty flawed offensive players. Yet

625
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: they still had a one point fifteen point two offensive

626
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: rating when he was on the floor last year that

627
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: would crack the top ten among teams in the NBA.

628
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 2: Their offense cratered to eight points worse per one hundred

629
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: possessions when he was off the floor. For Trey, he

630
00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: falls into that category of relentless advantage creation concept we've

631
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: discussed with respect to James Harden, you know, Nikola Jokic,

632
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic, Tyrese Halliburton. This idea of these players that

633
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: just set up their teammates with a massive volume of

634
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: possessions where they have the ball with the player sprinting

635
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: at them rather than the player standing directly in front

636
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: of them, and that manifests with easier opportunities that even

637
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: flawed basketball players can capitalize on. Trey is a relentless

638
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: advantage creator. It is that rather than versatility that he

639
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: brings to the table. A guy like Jamal brings that

640
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: versatility the ISO play, the ability to beat switches, things

641
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: along those lines. For Trey, it's the singular talent of

642
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 2: advantage creation. Trey Jung is not.

643
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: A very good ISO player.

644
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: He shot just thirty percent from the field last year

645
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: from the field out of ISO to zero point eight

646
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 2: points per possession. He wasn't good including passes either. He's

647
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: not an ISO player. He's not nearly the tough shot

648
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: maker that Jamal Murray is. He doesn't get to the

649
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: rim a ton. He misses more than half the time

650
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: when he gets there, so he is vulnerable to switching schemes.

651
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: That's the big offensive weakness. For a guy like Treyo.

652
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: But he provides a reasonable vacsimile of what Tyrese Haliburton

653
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: brings to the table as a lead guard. Excellent transition passing,

654
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: kick ahead passes that unlocks the athletes on this Hawks roster.

655
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm specifically super excited to see a full season of

656
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: a healthy Jalen Johnson and Zachary Risasche running the wings.

657
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Those are two of the best floor runners in the NBA.

658
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: Obviously more athletic depth with Dyson Daniels and Nikhil Alexander Walker.

659
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Trey is relentless with kick ahead passes. That is going

660
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 2: to be a super high value add for the Hawks

661
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: this year. That is what I mean when I say

662
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: like that reasonable facts of what Tyre's Halliburton brings to

663
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: the table. But he's also the quintessential pick and role

664
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: player against against like traditional coverages, Like if you're chasing

665
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: Trey over the top of screens instead of switching, He's

666
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: got everything you need to succeed there. He's a good

667
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: drop coverage scorer, like with his pull up three point

668
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: shitt And this is a perfect example of the difference

669
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: between him and Iso versus at a ball screen so

670
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: envision a pull up three, so and off the dribble

671
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: three in a ball screen, it's probably going to be

672
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: because you dribbled off the screen and.

673
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: The guy got hit. Because he got hit, big.

674
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: Man's too far back, there's an opening for him to

675
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: settle into a pull up three.

676
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: A pull up three out of ISO.

677
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: The defender is squared up with him and he has

678
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: to make some kind of move to get separation. A

679
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: side step, a step back, something along those lines, maybe

680
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: a hesitation, dribble, pulling the ball further away from the basket,

681
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: whatever he needs to do to get that pull up

682
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: three off. Very different type of shot. Trey Young was

683
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: below twenty percent on pull up three's out of ISO

684
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: last year. He was thirty seven percent on pull up

685
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: threes out of pick and roll. That is a perfect

686
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: example of that dynamic that I'm talking about. The same

687
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: thing goes with two point shooting. What does a two

688
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: point jump shot look like, or two point shot of

689
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: any kind look like out of a ball screen. It's

690
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: a floater because the guard got caught on the screen

691
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: and the bigs too far back, or a little mid

692
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: range pull up, something along those lines. They are open

693
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: shots that are being conceded in the action, whereas a

694
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: two point shot out of ISO that's more of I've

695
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 2: got to get separation from an on ball defender. Trey

696
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Jung shot thirty six percent on twos out of ISO

697
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: last year, forty six percent on twos out of ball screens.

698
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: That's kind of the dynamic with Trey. That's what makes

699
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: him so susceptible to switching schemes. That's why their front

700
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: office went out to go get a guy like Chris

701
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: tops porzingis to help give him an ability to have

702
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: some resilience against pick and roll switching, but against traditional coverages.

703
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: He scores the ball plenty well enough to unlock his

704
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: greatest strength, which is that he's one of the great

705
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: passers in the NBA. He's incredibly gifted in ball screens

706
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: at looking off back line defenders with no look passes

707
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: that open up angles for bounce passes and lobs to

708
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: biggs that are on the roll or cutting along the baseline.

709
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: He can make skip passes to the corner with either hand.

710
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: He's a great left handed passer. That ability to relentlessly

711
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: create advantages for his teammates is what puts him into

712
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: that special category of elite offensive engines in the NBA.

713
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Jamal Murray example. Jamal Murray

714
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: can credibly make the reads. He can reach a certain

715
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: floor as a playmaker that can allow him to run

716
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: a bench group or to be a reasonably good lead

717
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: ball handler right ball, could never come close to leading

718
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: a team like this Hawks team to the offensive heights

719
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: that Trey Young has lifted them to. It's not something

720
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: he's capable of doing because he's not the relentless advantage

721
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: hunter and creator that Trey Young is. Conversely, if the

722
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: roles were reversed and Trey was in Denver, he wouldn't

723
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: be as successful with Jokic as Jamal Murray is. Jokic

724
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: doesn't need Trey's relentless advantage creation. He's a relentless advantage

725
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: creator himself. There's a redundancy there, diminishing return, and Trey

726
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: isn't nearly as gifted as a tough shot maker. So

727
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: Trey's vulnerability to switching would be a ceiling lowering effect

728
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: in that Denver Nuggets offense in a way that Jamal

729
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: is not. That's why I always talk about your specific

730
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: value relative to your specific situation. Basketball is more art

731
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: than science in that particular way. My belief in the

732
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Hawks as a team this year lies in the unique

733
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: way that Trey Young accentuates this particular group.

734
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: The roster is.

735
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Chock full of talented young athletes, but none of them

736
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: are particularly good at all at breaking down a set defense.

737
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: They will not be able to score when Trey Young

738
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: is off the floor, but each of the players on

739
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 2: that roster can score if they have an advantage given

740
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: to them. Zachary Resasche and Jalen Johnson are two of

741
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: the best transition floor running wings in the league. They

742
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: can score effectively there. Both of them are improving as

743
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: spot up jump shooters and his close out attackers. The

744
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Keil Alexander Walker is an excellent catch and shoot player

745
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: and has a little bit of close out attacking of

746
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: his own. Dyson Daniels is super raw, but has some

747
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: tools and has good touch in the short range and

748
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: a lot of things that will allow him to score

749
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: with openings. And Yakakongu can score on the role. And

750
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Chris Porzingis should again help them be able to deal

751
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: with Trey's biggest offensive weakness, which is his vulnerability to

752
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: switching in Washington three years ago one point one to

753
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: three points per posed up including passes. First year in

754
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: Boston one point three to one, last year in Boston

755
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: one point two to three. He is a reliable efficient

756
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: on an island post up player, especially against advantages that

757
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: come out of switches, which teams will inevitably deploy because

758
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: that's the best way to kind of contend with what

759
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Trey Young does.

760
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: Now.

761
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: On the defensive end, I think Trey falls into the

762
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: high IQ player that has good defensive instincts and knows

763
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: where to be. He's just especially lazy and especially limited

764
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: as an athlete, and that puts him at the very

765
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: bottom of that type of defensive player. Most famously recently

766
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: his putrid effort at the end of that play in

767
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: game against Miami where he's just kind of floating around

768
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: and watching the heat grab multiple offensive rebounds that ends

769
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: in a dagger by Davion Mitchell along the left wing right,

770
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: although it's worth mentioning the game is basically how to

771
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: reach at that point, but he does understand defense, he

772
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: does know where to be, and I have seen him

773
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: at various points over the course of the last few

774
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: years be a serviceable defender for short stretches. He's a

775
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: quick guard, he can cover ground in rotation, and like

776
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier, he does understand where to be. But

777
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: his limitations are so loud because of his lack of

778
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: physical tools, and so that kind of prevents him from

779
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: getting to the same level of the other great offensive

780
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: engines in the NBA, like Tyres Halliburton, for instance, like

781
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: is in that category, but is much more active, more consistently,

782
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: and has like legitimate length, so he can be a

783
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: defensive playmaker in a way that Trey Young can't be,

784
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: so that prevents him from getting higher on the Like.

785
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: You guys know how much I value offensive advantage creation,

786
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: and Trey has always been like on the outside looking

787
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: in on this list or barely cracking this list, in

788
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: large part because those defensive shortcomings are so loud with

789
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: his physical limitations. But I still think advantage creation is

790
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: one of the most valuable traits for an NBA player

791
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: to have, and Trey brings it in spades, and I'm

792
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: especially excited to see him play with this young and

793
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: deep Hawks team this year. So he comes in at

794
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: twenty four on this year's player rankings list. All right, guys,

795
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: this is all I have for today. As I mentioned,

796
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: we are going to have four more on Wednesday. Then

797
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: we'll go three at a time through till we get

798
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: to the top ten, and then we're going one out

799
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: of time through the top ten. We're going to mail

800
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: bags on Fridays throughout the way. We're going to stretch

801
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: this out. There's no reason to rush. We got lots

802
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: of time to kill before we get into September and

803
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: we start our season previews. So again, anything you disagree

804
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: with a player I didn't have on the list that

805
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: you think should have been ranked, a player that I

806
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: listed to day that you think is too high or

807
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: too low, whatever it might be, drop it in the

808
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: mailbag questions. Provide a brief like kind of concise elevator

809
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: pitch for why you feel that that ranking should be different,

810
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: and we will get to them in our mailbags throughout

811
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: the remainder of this list. Again, I appreciate you guys

812
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: for rocking with us in sport and show. Now see

813
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: you guys on Wednesday,