WEBVTT - Special Series: The Election Day Massacre. Part 2.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sean Braswell. Welcome to Flashback. We're doing something a

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<v Speaker 1>little different in this episode. We're running a special series

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<v Speaker 1>about the worst incident of election violence in American history,

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<v Speaker 1>an event that is almost forgotten today. It happened a

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<v Speaker 1>century ago on election Day nine and the town of

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<v Speaker 1>a Koe, Florida. The victims were hundreds of black residents.

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<v Speaker 1>The perpetrators were their white neighbors. And the reason was

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<v Speaker 1>that black citizens had gone to the polls and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to vote. Our grandmother was one of the most rags females,

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<v Speaker 1>and the word grave is probably not strong enough. She

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<v Speaker 1>was not afraid of anything, nor anybody nobody. That's Janice

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson and her brother, Pastor Stephen Nunne. Their grandmother was

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<v Speaker 1>Caretha Perry Caldwell. She was a constant presence in their

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<v Speaker 1>lives growing up in Tampa, Florida. She just decided, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, to talk to Steve and I when we

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<v Speaker 1>were kids, to just, you know, tell us this story,

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<v Speaker 1>really the story of what happened in Caretha's hometown of Koe,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida on Election Day nineteen. I remember driving over to

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<v Speaker 1>her home that particular morning because I wanted her to

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<v Speaker 1>make me breakfast. She had the old iron skillet pan

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<v Speaker 1>and she would fry up some reb bacon and grits

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<v Speaker 1>and eggs. Here's what Caretha Perry wanted her grandchildren to know.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was a teenager, her father, Julius July Perry,

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<v Speaker 1>and his good friend Mose Norman were prosperous landowners. There

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<v Speaker 1>were leaders of the sizable black community in a central

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<v Speaker 1>Florida town called the Koe. On election day nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>Mose Norman tried to vote. A few hours later, an

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<v Speaker 1>armed white mob surrounded the Perry's family farmhouse. Caretha Perry

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<v Speaker 1>told her grandchildren that before long, the white men were

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<v Speaker 1>shooting into the house. It was surreal. I really I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe it. I couldn't wrap my head around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet I knew it was real. It makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me now. Then it didn't really make sense. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew this, I knew it happened, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take that in at that time. As a child,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I couldn't fanthom all of that. Caretha told

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<v Speaker 1>them she was shot in the arm. She wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to know about the bullet will so she would always

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<v Speaker 1>show me in point to it, and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>after she did that, she would tell me, um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know about what took place. I saw her pain, but

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<v Speaker 1>I also knew she wanted me to know how courageous

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<v Speaker 1>she was, and she was willing to stay there next

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<v Speaker 1>to her dad to the death if it. If it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to take that, she had every intent to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. It hurt her, and yet it drove her

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<v Speaker 1>also to be very angry, and she did not really

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention the name of o Koe or ever

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Okoe again. I'm Eugenius Robinson. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Election Day Massacre from Ozzie Media. Warning. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>contains graphic descriptions of racial violence. There was some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a confrontation and they knew that July heard and

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<v Speaker 1>those nominal among the activists, Bobbin thought, so the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of the white people sort of focused on them. Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Dunn is the author of a history of Florida through

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<v Speaker 1>Black Eyes. The initial group that went out was led

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<v Speaker 1>by an n named Sam Salisberry, who was a well

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<v Speaker 1>known white man, very popular man, not a law enforcement officer,

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<v Speaker 1>but was deputized to go out and find out what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to the the Poles. Sam Salisbury was a veteran, a

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<v Speaker 1>former Army colonel. Marvin Dunn says, a heavily armed white

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<v Speaker 1>man he led to July Perry's farmhouse called themselves a posse.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Ortiz, a historian at the University of Florida, did

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<v Speaker 1>seminal research on the incident. In a sense, what they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to just pacify him, to kind of take him

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<v Speaker 1>out of the equation. They feel if they can silence him,

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<v Speaker 1>then they can stop all this voting nonsense and save

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy. What happened at July Perry's house? Why Why

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<v Speaker 1>did it get so violent so quickly? Pamela Schwartz, chief

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<v Speaker 1>your read of the Orange County Regional History Center put

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<v Speaker 1>together a major exhibition of the Koe massacre. Who actually

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<v Speaker 1>shot who? Who actually said what? There's so many different versions.

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<v Speaker 1>July Perry's daughter, Caretha Janice Nelson, and Stephen Nunn's grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>was inside the house when the mob showed up. She

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<v Speaker 1>told me that at a certain point in time, um,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the white residents men of the city of

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<v Speaker 1>o Koe came to their home and basically made a

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<v Speaker 1>demand for a father to come outside, and they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. I've always owned a gun, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in a gun culture. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone comes up to my doorstep and tells me that

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<v Speaker 1>I need to to come out of my house unarmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want to talk with me. Um, that's a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Sam Salisbury demanded July Parr to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of this house, Perry came out of his house and

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<v Speaker 1>Um asked to go back inside to get his coat.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one of this this struggling food. Someone attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to force their way in and there was some gunfire,

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<v Speaker 1>both from Um those outside of the house firing in,

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<v Speaker 1>and from her and her father inside of the house

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<v Speaker 1>firing out. She said that the gunfire was so great

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<v Speaker 1>that you could see the bullet tracers coming through all

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<v Speaker 1>angles in the house, just flying in all over the places.

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<v Speaker 1>Careita was not the only person shot that night. Her

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<v Speaker 1>father was shot multiple times. He told her that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted her to get her mother and the children out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. Careita's mother, Estelle, was not in good health.

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<v Speaker 1>Careita's brothers and sister were young children. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he was saying, you know what on the captain of

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<v Speaker 1>the ship here and so guess what, you guys, go

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<v Speaker 1>get out if you can. But I've got to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think even if he hadn't been wounded he brought,

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<v Speaker 1>he would he was gonna stay in fight to the

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<v Speaker 1>bitter end no matter what. She recalls asking herself and him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how we're going to get out because they

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<v Speaker 1>were surrounded, and he said, pray, and the Lord I'll

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<v Speaker 1>show you away. And she says she started praying, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord, help us to get out of or help

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<v Speaker 1>me to get my mom and my brother's and sister

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. And she said, Um, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>caphole or some type of an open means in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the door. She lifted the little hatch, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that there was a beam of light light

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<v Speaker 1>from the moon, but it was just this beam of

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<v Speaker 1>light that shined the path through this particular high growth

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<v Speaker 1>or corn field. And she said they proceeded on their

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<v Speaker 1>stomachs to crawl through that path that had been illuminated.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said while they were couli, she said, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we could see the feet of the men who were

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the home. Some of them, we could literally see

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<v Speaker 1>their feet and we could hear them talking and and

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<v Speaker 1>still firing, and yet they never saw us. Caretha, A Stelle,

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<v Speaker 1>and the children escaped through the field. Members of the

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<v Speaker 1>white mob would later claim that quote thirty seven armed

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<v Speaker 1>negroes in quote participated in the shootout, but it's more

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<v Speaker 1>likely that it was just the Perry family and a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hired hands who held off the assailants. At

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<v Speaker 1>least six members of the white mob were wounded in

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<v Speaker 1>the gun battle. Two others died. They were killed that

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<v Speaker 1>friendless fire. Other white men shot through the house and

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<v Speaker 1>killed their comrades. And I found this out by examining

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral home records of the Manuel Derek, which included

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<v Speaker 1>a note from the sheriff documenting that the men had

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<v Speaker 1>been killed by friendly fire. It's one of the few

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<v Speaker 1>records of what happened that night. You know, there's all

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<v Speaker 1>of these details that will never factually, no, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>no way, because no records and accounts were kept, no

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<v Speaker 1>full investigation was done. Perry's family made it to safety,

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<v Speaker 1>but not for long. July, Perry's wife and daughter, Estella

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<v Speaker 1>and Caretha, respectively, are captured. They're taken to the jail

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<v Speaker 1>in Tampa, Caretha and a Stell were charged with murdering

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<v Speaker 1>the two members of the white mob who were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>The charges were eventually dropped, but not before Caretha and

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<v Speaker 1>her mother had spent a month in jail. She said

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<v Speaker 1>they came in and told them that they were free

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<v Speaker 1>to go, but to never ever return to Okoe again.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, Careta Perry was asked by an Orlando newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>if she had ever gone back to a Koe. She replied, no, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't ever want to see it, not even on

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<v Speaker 1>a map. H In Mildred Board was a little girl

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<v Speaker 1>in the next town over a Papca, Florida. Ms. Board

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<v Speaker 1>has since passed away, but she recorded in oral history

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. We're playing excerpts of the courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>of the Orange County Regional History Center. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>just a few firsthand accounts of the events of that

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<v Speaker 1>election day. The night of the riot, most Non came

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<v Speaker 1>to this house, and I remembered that he had on

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<v Speaker 1>a night shirt. And I don't know whether my dad

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<v Speaker 1>came with him or he got that ball, and they

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<v Speaker 1>brought him on hire and my dad said to him, well,

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<v Speaker 1>most how did you get out of Okoe. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>just like a rabbit in the wind, I shall never

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<v Speaker 1>forget it. Most Norman eskipped from a koe in his car.

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<v Speaker 1>There were reports that he eventually settled up north in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. July Perry did not escape. He meted

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<v Speaker 1>out of the farmhouse into a nearby sugarcane field, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was soon discovered. His little dog betrayed him. When

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<v Speaker 1>July Perry was shot, he went down in the cane

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<v Speaker 1>padge and Jip was the little dog's name. He went

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<v Speaker 1>down and barred, and that's when the mob found him

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<v Speaker 1>in the king page. The deputized mob arrested Perry. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many different stories they shot him there, but

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<v Speaker 1>they supposed to have carried him at the two the

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<v Speaker 1>police station in Okoe, but you know that can remember

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a police station in the court. More likely

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<v Speaker 1>July Perry was taken to the police station in Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>a much bigger town. Word gets to Orlando as far

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<v Speaker 1>away as Orlando that there's a Negro uprising. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>a code for Negroes are trying to vote, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Carlo's of white people begin h mobilizing from as far

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<v Speaker 1>away as Orlando. I mean drive to Koe. There's an

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<v Speaker 1>electronic cybordin in Orlando and it's used in election day,

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<v Speaker 1>but not only to tally votes. Then someone changes that

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<v Speaker 1>sign board to direct people to a Koe. Fifty car

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<v Speaker 1>loads of white men from Orlando descended on the black

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods and a Kowe. It's like, you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>third generation military veteran, and so when I look at

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<v Speaker 1>places like a Koe, I see intelligence, I see supply,

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<v Speaker 1>I see planning. And what I mean by this is

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<v Speaker 1>that carloads of white individuals, many of them, start from Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>and they drive all the way into Koe and they

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<v Speaker 1>knew who to target, they knew who the leadership was named.

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<v Speaker 1>Drive to a Koe and they began to torch and

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<v Speaker 1>burn and loot and village this this entire community. That

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<v Speaker 1>evening and into the night, white vigilantes sit fire to

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<v Speaker 1>black people's homes, businesses, and churches. In a cold they

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<v Speaker 1>shot at people trying to escape the flames. I mean, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>people are defending their homes as this white you know,

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<v Speaker 1>para military operation is tearing through their their their neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>People put up a defense in a koe. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>just lay down and offer themselves up today to the

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<v Speaker 1>firing squad, if you will. But we could smell somebody

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<v Speaker 1>say well, how would you smell the smoke? As they

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<v Speaker 1>act can sumel the smoke coming from Africa. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was something that you could sume out of smoke. You

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<v Speaker 1>knew something was going on. It's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic days in American history all across the state. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what happens in for it is really an example.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a metaphor for American you know, American

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<v Speaker 1>history and systematic purging, ethnic cleansing of black people. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really the outcome. We don't like to use the term

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic cleansing unless we can use in Eastern Europe, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We don't like to use the word of gram unless

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<v Speaker 1>we can use it in you know, in Africa or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, someplace else. But it happens here. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no way we will ever factually probably know how many

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<v Speaker 1>black people were killed that night. Records were intentionally not kept.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the current research, we as historians will say that

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<v Speaker 1>at least four black people were murdered, but many accounts

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<v Speaker 1>put the death toll much higher. Between thirty and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>black residents were killed. Historian Marvin Dunn, they've learned such

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<v Speaker 1>on the Black Union. We don't know if they were

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<v Speaker 1>suppos burned up to those houses or not. Probably that weren't. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a choice. You can leave and get shot,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can stay and burn. Uh. And they burned

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<v Speaker 1>to death, and they were put in Popper's caskets and

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<v Speaker 1>buried in a mass grave. Once the white mob started

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<v Speaker 1>burning people's homes and churches, people left. Every single black

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<v Speaker 1>person in a Koe that night, living or visiting, lost something,

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<v Speaker 1>their sense of safety, their home, their property, whether they

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<v Speaker 1>were a renter or a landowner, um sometimes their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who survived the flames and gunfire escaped into the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding swamps. The Florida Times Union reported the next day

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<v Speaker 1>the black survivors were seen walking along highways many miles

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<v Speaker 1>from a Koe. In the weeks and months that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>virtually every single black person fled the town. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like refugees from from a war zone. Now

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<v Speaker 1>those those are the pans. We have people leaving in

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<v Speaker 1>wagons with all of their possessions. White people lining the roads, cheering, jeering,

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<v Speaker 1>you lost. We won. A day that had begun with

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<v Speaker 1>hopes of a better life and a stronger democracy in

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<v Speaker 1>Florida came to an almost unthinkable end as a coe

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<v Speaker 1>burned into the night. Back in Orlando, another violent crowd

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<v Speaker 1>had gathered. July Perry is in mortal danger in the

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<v Speaker 1>jail in Orlando. He is taken by a lynch mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Pamela Schwartz. He is brutalized. There are many versions of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to him, some very very descriptive and graphic,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is taken, is lynched. He's hanged. If you

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<v Speaker 1>leave a Papa and going through the country Club road

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<v Speaker 1>of block from Colonial, there was an old tree. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where's the same old creep, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>a big old tree right now. They are turned him

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<v Speaker 1>up and let him hang from that tree for a wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The tree was near the entrance to the Orlando Country Club,

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<v Speaker 1>by some accounts, in view of the house of John Cheney,

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<v Speaker 1>a white judge who tried to help black citizens of

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<v Speaker 1>a coale vote. The story went that July was intentionally hanged, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in view of Chinese house, but that it

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<v Speaker 1>was across this lake and it was up by Country

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<v Speaker 1>Fund at the time, the way the trees and everything were,

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<v Speaker 1>like when we look back at historic photos of that

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<v Speaker 1>lake in different things like, I don't think anybody could

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<v Speaker 1>have seen anything from the judge's house. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that is a thing that became part of the lore.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was an unmistakable message. That's what was about

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<v Speaker 1>historian Paul Ortiz. It was really about sending a lesson

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<v Speaker 1>to the entire black and white and his communities. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was in the Southwest or in Florida, wherever.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in charge here and we don't follow the law,

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<v Speaker 1>we are the law. A local black undertaker took down

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<v Speaker 1>Perry's corpse from the tree the next day. Oh, he

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<v Speaker 1>had done so many things to his body. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>too much left hanging because they had just put his

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<v Speaker 1>body up in pieces, but they took whatever they could

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<v Speaker 1>and am show. They embombed him and they buried him.

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<v Speaker 1>The terror inflicted on the black sessens of a coo.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't end with election day. The story has always

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<v Speaker 1>gone that everybody left immediately the black community left, they

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<v Speaker 1>never came back. The story after it's far more nuanced

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<v Speaker 1>and horrific. I think personally um then that there's an

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<v Speaker 1>official cover up that goes on for decades after the event.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just so so much to the story. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the most horrific thing is that we don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know by design. By design, we don't have records,

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have names for the people who were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what homes burned and which ones don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what happened to people and where they went.

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<v Speaker 1>What we do know is that the terror in a

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<v Speaker 1>Koe was not carried out only by people in masks

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<v Speaker 1>and robes. Much of it was committed openly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign to keep black people from voting in Florida was

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<v Speaker 1>not limited to anonymous letters from the Ku Klux Klan.

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<v Speaker 1>Editorials were printed in the most prominent newspapers in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Atlanto Sentinel, the Mommy Heralds say that white supremacy,

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<v Speaker 1>that our foundation, the foundation of our civilization, White supremacy

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<v Speaker 1>is in danger. We have to take them seriously. And

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<v Speaker 1>when we take them seriously, we realize that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything they can to break up any challenge

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<v Speaker 1>to their power system. And this is why so many

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<v Speaker 1>white people descend upon it color because they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>send a lesson to that not only are you not

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<v Speaker 1>going to vote today, You're never going to vote. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the Koe was not just about one election.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened next would take years to orchestrate and execute.

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<v Speaker 1>In Part three of the Election Day Massacre, where did

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<v Speaker 1>everybody go? And then you look for the families and

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<v Speaker 1>the histories and you try to find where they are

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<v Speaker 1>today and you can't find people. You can't find them.

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<v Speaker 1>They just lost and gone. Nobody's ever held responsible in

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<v Speaker 1>any way, shape or form for what happens out of Koe.

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<v Speaker 1>It was government supported landa The script is says thou

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<v Speaker 1>shalt not steal. They stole it and they need to

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<v Speaker 1>give it back. M This episode of Flashback, The Election

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<v Speaker 1>Day Massacre was written by Sean Braswell and voiced by

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<v Speaker 1>me Eugene S. Robinson, was produced by Maeve mcgoran and

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<v Speaker 1>or A Oh Diggi Zua. Chris Haff engineered our show.

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