1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, West Hodkowitz. Were coming to 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and unfortunately 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: West to talk about another loss, this one one at 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Washington against the Commanders. And uh, this one started out 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: in good shape for green Bay, a touchdown, a pick six, 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: a fourteen to three lead, but then twenty straight points 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: by the Commanders over a stretch of about two and 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: a half quarters that nothing really went right on either 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: side of the ball for the Packers, and then a 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: late comeback just came up short. Yeah. I mean, if 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: they want to start playing these games for thirty minutes, 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: that's what everybody was asking after London, and uh, yeah, 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: that's not how it's played. However, No, it isn't. And 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: it's the stretches of like scoring that are that have 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: been the most concerning. I think when you look at 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: what the Giants did to rally back from ten point 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: deficit at halftime this game, the Packers are up to 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: fourteen to three again and by and large, Mike, the 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: main things that you and I hit on last week, 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: we're kind of ringing true. I mean, the Packers were 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: controlling the line of scrimmage defensively, uh, Taylor. Heineke started 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: off with more passes batted down than he had actual completions, 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: and it just seemed like from the moment that he 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: started to be able to scramble a little bit and 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: start making some plays with his feet and moving the chains. 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's been the biggest um common thread through 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: all this is Green Bay starts off really strong with 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: their third down defense over three, over four, did it 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: against the Giants too, and then they struggle whether it's 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: third and short or third and long to find an answer. 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: And it just seemed like once Heineke started being able 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: to extend plays a little bit, Terry McLaurin made some 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: adjustments to be able to himself up from Gerry Alexander's 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: coverage and the attention the Packers were giving him, it 37 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: all kind of started to boil down from there. Yeah, 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: it was one of those things the way I looked 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: at it, and I didn't necessarily realize that as much 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: watching the game, but then going back and watching rewatching 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the film on Monday, Heineck making his first start of 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: the year, and quite frankly, he wasn't very good in 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: the first half, but the Packers simply didn't take advantage 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: of the plays that were there. Campbell did have the 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: pick six. Unfortunately, the Packers had the fumble return for 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: a touchdown called back on a penalty, which was a 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: Heineke fumble when he got hit on a scramble by 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Rashawn Gary. But aside from those two plays, the Packers 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: had you could argue four other pretty legitimate chances for 50 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: interceptions in that first half, um when Heineke was simply 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: not really throwing the ball all that well. But the 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: Packers didn't make those grabs. In the second half, Washington, 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: in particular Terry mclauren did. And then when you look 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: at the way the comeback unfolded, the Packers get or 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: down ten, you get a touchdown, it's one. You need 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: to get a stop. Washington is still in its own territory. 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Third and nine, there's plenty of time on the clock 58 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: and Heineke, under pressure kind of throws up a prayer 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: quite frankly, towards the sideline, but throwing it towards his 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: best receiver, and Terry McLaren And you know you talked 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: about the third down conversions, This was probably the biggest 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: one of the game. Third nine. McLaurin happened to see 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the ball before Alexander did, was able to go and 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: attack it by the sideline and got it um and 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: converted the third nine with a twelve yard pickup and 66 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: uh and that was essentially the ball game. Packers defense 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: couldn't get off the field on third down in the 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: second half, and a lot of that, as we'll talk 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: about here in a minute, also had to do with 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the fact that they were just on the field too 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: much throughout the game, even in the first half when 72 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: the Packers were winning. I thought the third and nine 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: play was actually a really good embodiment of really that 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: entire game for Green Bay's defense, because I saw that 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: stat about how Green Bay had like twenty nine pressures 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus but only one sack, and you know, 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: short of being actually physically shot out of a cannon, 78 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what Kenny Clark could have done to 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback any faster than he did. Yeah, 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Clark was all over Heineke on that on that third nine, 81 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: but you know, Heineke got rid of the ball. Give 82 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: him credit in nine times out of ten. Those are 83 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the type of plays. I'm not saying this would have 84 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: turned into a pick six or anything, but when a 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: quarterback is under that much duress and a defender of 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Calark's caliber is in his face like that, those are 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: typically the plays that you end up seeing the guy 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: throw a terrible ball that ends up being an interception. 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: And McLaurin just made the plays that needed to be 90 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: made in this game. I just felt like, you know, 91 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: for the Packers, it goes back to that first half defensively. 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: We'll talk about the offense here in a second, but 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: when you get your hands on passes. My headline for 94 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: Saritay's inboxes, they just have to capitalize, and I get it. 95 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: It's easier said than done. But you know, Rasul Douglas 96 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: has three passes defense in this game. Jr. Alexander came 97 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: incredibly close to a pick on the first target that 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: McClaren got. Um. Yeah, that was that was flat out 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: of bad throw over the middle behind his receiver. Wasn't 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: even catchable for me. It wasn't it wasn't catchable for McLaurin. 101 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: Was very catchable for Alexander and he just couldn't quite 102 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: come up with it. You have to make those plays. 103 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: And then I mean, I want to not get too 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: much in the officiating because it can be a slippery 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: slope there for everybody involved. And there's really nothing you 106 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: can gain out of getting upset about anything. But you know, 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: if they do finally force to turn over, Rasul Douglass 108 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: picks up the ball, appears to run it back for 109 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the touchdown, and then there's the illegal contact penalty over 110 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: on Washington sideline. It is what it is. The Packers 111 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: have to play above those things. You can't have thirty 112 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: eight rushing yards, two hundred sixty six rushing yards. You 113 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: can't be over six and third downs when the opposition 114 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: has converted more third downs than you've even attempted, and 115 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: that this is the end result. Yeah, And we've we've 116 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: talked about how in the during this three game losing 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: streak now that's dropped the Packers to three and four, 118 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: how the defense has started out pretty well in all 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: the games but then has faded as the game has 120 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: gone on this one in particular, when you look when 121 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: you look back at it, the Packers defense was just 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: on the field too much in the first half, and 123 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: I think that's what contributed to wearing down in the 124 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: second half. Now, there was a back to back possessions, 125 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: obviously because of the pick six by Devandre Campbell. So 126 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: you take that right, that's a touchdown. Your defense put 127 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: seven points on the board, but they have to be 128 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: out there for back to back possessions. But before that, 129 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: there's another back to back possessions because Amari Rodgers muff 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: to punt. The defense gets to stop, but then the 131 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: punk gets muffed, so Washington's offense is right back on 132 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: the field and the defense gets the stop in the 133 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: red zone forces the field goal, which is a big 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: win after a turnover like that. But yet again, those 135 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: are the those are the snaps, the plays that that 136 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: add up to a defense not being necessarily at full 137 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: strength or having enough in the tank down the stretch 138 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: to stop a third nine. When if you get that 139 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: stop and get the ball back to Aaron Rodgers, maybe 140 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: you escape Washington with a winning field goal three. But 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: my point is that everything from the early stages of 142 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: the game, even when the Packers are winning, it's adding 143 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: up to the problems that they're seeing later on when 144 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: they can't figure out how to come away with a victor, 145 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: and you know, you lose Rashan Gary at the end 146 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: of that game to the concussion, and you know, Gary 147 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: and Preston Smith I make, I think, make up such 148 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: a good combination because Gary is more of the hair 149 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: on fire get after the quarterback guy where pressing is 150 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: the traditional out three or four outside linebacker in this 151 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: defense where he's going to give you some whish, she's 152 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: gonna give me some pressure. But he's also incredibly assignment 153 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: sure against the run. And when you lose Gary like 154 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: that in a situation, in those two minute situations where 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: you haven't you want to have a guy that is 156 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: going to be able to get after the quarterback when 157 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: you know Washington, you know, especially if they get shut 158 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: down in first down, isn't necessarily gonna be looking to 159 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: run the ball a lot um and you don't have 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: him available. And I mean, you give Taylor Heineke a 161 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of credit, Mike last week, you 162 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: and I said it over and over and over again. 163 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this young man may not end up being 164 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback for a team that you know week 165 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: one that's gonna be our guy. But this is what 166 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: you do to be a productive back up in this 167 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: league is that when Carson Wentz breaks his finger and 168 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be out for a month, you get called upon. 169 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: And he won his eighth game for Ron Rivera in 170 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: Washington and for Green Bay. I think it goes back 171 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: to the takeaways. It goes back to too many turnovers 172 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: and not enough takeaways, and in this game in particular, 173 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: not to lay it all at Marie's feet, but when 174 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: they had that fumble, and give credit to the defense 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: Dom Caper's the old adversity defense phrase, it stepped up. 176 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: They held him to a field goal there. But realistically, 177 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: that was the only real charge that Washington mounted in 178 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: the first half, and it came off a turnover. And 179 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: when you have turnovers and you don't get enough takeaways, 180 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: that the hill gets taller and taller in terms of 181 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: what you're trying to climb. Yeah, the Packers just they 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: weren't able to take advantage of Heineke's poor throws in 183 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: the first half. And then Heineke kind of settled in 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: and started to make the throws he needed to make 185 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: in the second half, which is why Washington converted so 186 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: many third downs in in the second half, he got 187 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: going when the Packers could have made his life absolutely 188 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: miserable by being able to snag some of those really 189 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: poor throws early on. Yeah. Absolutely, And you saw why 190 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel too is gonna end up having a ten 191 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: year career in this league. I mean, I don't know 192 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: how many thousand yards seasons he's gonna have, but those 193 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: gadget type players, it almost kind of reminds me in 194 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: a way what Ted Gin became later in his career 195 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: in terms of the guy that is going to be 196 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: a acountable. They're gonna use them in different ways, and 197 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to help them move the 198 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: chains and stay in third and favor rolls. Washington had 199 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: an excellent game plan for how they attacked Green Bay. 200 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: It took while to get into it, but once they 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: did get into their rhythm in the second half, it 202 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: was a winnable formula for them to not only be 203 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: able to extend the lead, get the twenty unanswered, but 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: then also it's four minute defense wise, being able to 205 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: really step up. Yeah. The other the other thing too, 206 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: that I wanted to say with regard to and this 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,119 Speaker 1: just speaks to This speaks to the offensive struggles Um 208 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: with regard to with regard to the Packers defense being 209 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: on the field so much in the first half after 210 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: after the back to back where Um Campbell gets the 211 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: pick six, the defense has to go right back out there. 212 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: Washington does march down and get a touchdown. A couple 213 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: of missed interception opportunities on that drive, but Washington gets 214 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: the touchdown. So the defense has been on the field 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: a heck of a lot over the over that stretch 216 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: of the game. But then the Packers get the ball 217 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: back on off fense, they lose six yards on a 218 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: first down running play, they get called for holding on 219 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: a second down running play when they're just trying to 220 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: get back on track and give themselves a chance on 221 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: third down. So then you're in third and forever and 222 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: it ends up being ends up being a three and 223 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: out and the defense has to go right back out 224 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: there again. I mean it was. It was practically a 225 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: back to back to back in the sense of in 226 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the sense of how much the defense had to had 227 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to play, and the Packers are just the Packers are 228 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: in a rut offensively. Um there were once again much 229 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: like the Jets game, there were penalties that put them 230 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: in long yardage situations that were negative negative yardage plays. 231 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: Not the sacks this time, because the game plan was 232 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: get the ball out of Aaron Rodgers hands quickly, which 233 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: for the most part was accomplished. But too many dropped passes, 234 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: some passes that were off target, um and uh, and 235 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: just breakdowns fundamentally on offense, illegal formations, guys not lining 236 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: up properly, you know, breakdowns in the in the fundamental 237 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: all aspect that just that just made it impossible to 238 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: get any kind of a flow or rhythm going on 239 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: offense at all. And it wasn't until you know, Rogers 240 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: makes the great, really the great off schedule play, the 241 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: late touchdown to Aaron Jones on on an extended play 242 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: kind of a scramble drill that that the offense showed 243 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: any kinds of life from the second quarter on. Yeah, 244 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: and Rodgers making just an incredible throw on that play 245 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: with Aaron Jones being able to take his route from 246 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: the flat up the sideline on a wheel option. They've 247 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: done that time and time again. It's becoming one of 248 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: the the real go twos and must have situations for 249 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: Green Bay. But to get to that point again, it 250 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: goes back to the consistency piece, and um, you go 251 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: over six. I think that was the first time they 252 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: did not convert a third down since if I remember 253 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: that right. Yeah, the only third down conversions for the 254 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: Packers were due to some penalties by Washington and getting 255 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: behind the sticks early I think was the main culprit 256 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: for that. Certainly there were some third and mandable that 257 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Green Bay didn't convert on, but there were too many 258 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: times where it was thirty third and nine plus that 259 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: they're trying to convert. And it's just not a winnable formula, 260 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: especially when you're playing two high safeties, especially when you're 261 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: rushing for Washington wasn't taking a lot of chances. They 262 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: were going to keep the ball in front of them 263 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: and trust their defensive backs and their guys at the 264 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: second level to tackle for green Bay. It's such a 265 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: difficult thing because I know so many people, especially from 266 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: a national level, we're trying to dog on the fact 267 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 1: the Packers I think, and only had what was a 268 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: twelve carries. Yeah, that was that. That was kind of 269 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: a statistical thing based on the way the you know, 270 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: we can kind of just so fans understand. Where we're 271 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: sitting in the press box at FedEx Field, we're actually 272 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: sort of near where the official statisticians are, and so 273 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: as every play is happening, we're sort of hearing them 274 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: kind of talking and barking to each other as they're 275 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: punching things into their computers. And and you know these 276 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: sideways pitches to Aaron Jone, which which are running plays 277 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: in every sense of the word, the way the packers 278 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: are blocking the flow of the play and everything. And 279 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: they were saying that those pitches were forwards, so they 280 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: were calling those forward passes. There were at least three 281 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: or four of those. So the run pass ratio, if 282 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: you just look at the final statistics, it was it 283 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: was out of whack and I think quite frankly inaccurate. Um. 284 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: But that's just the way that particular statistical couldn't decided 285 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: to chart the game. We're gonna sorry for the side no, 286 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: but on Wednesday, depending on when you're we're going to 287 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: get the NFL's updated statistics too. So the NFL take 288 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: a look at and see if there's any modifications there 289 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: be that as it may, as Matt Lafleur said, it 290 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: as podium and his press conference on Monday. It wasn't 291 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: necessarily a problem they didn't run the ball enough, or 292 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: they didn't get the ball there and Jones enough. It 293 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: was just they didn't run enough plays. There wasn't enough 294 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: synergy tote was I mean, what was of offensive? I mean, 295 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: that's a that's a discrepancy that's really really hard to 296 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: overcomet seven oh seven to fifty three. If you talked 297 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: about those time of possession since for the last three years, 298 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: you are and you have to bet your savings on it. 299 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: You're taking the Packers as being the ones with thirty seven. 300 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: That's just the way they've offensively played under Matt Lafleur. 301 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: This was not Matt Lafleur football. And for the Packers 302 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: it's a difficult position they're in because al Lazard now 303 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: has a shoulder injury. We saw him in the locker 304 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: room with the with the sling on his arm. We're 305 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,239 Speaker 1: gonna see exactly what this week holds for him. Um, 306 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: he is the guy in this offense and you hate 307 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: to see that happen with him. I give him a 308 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: lot of credit. He came out of the game, he 309 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: tried to go back in the game had to come 310 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: out again. They don't have Randall Cobb right now. Christian Watson, 311 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you know you would hope it's gonna be back here. 312 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: He has never placed on injured reserve, so he makes 313 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: that makes you think they felt he was on the 314 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: early side of the four week um. You know limited 315 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: would have ben if you would have went on the 316 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: injured list. Green Bay needs playmakers to step up. It's 317 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: not just about getting the ball to Aaron Jones and 318 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: a J. Dillon, although that is two of their big 319 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: primary playmakers. It's about guys taking care of their opportunities 320 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Once again, too many drop passes. Aaron 321 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: Jones even put that on himself. There was a screen 322 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: pass that he had that he wasn't able to bring in. 323 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: It was a third and long. But still it's those 324 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: plays where guys know they can catch the ball. It's 325 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: it's it isn't like they're trying to catch a hundred 326 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: fifty fastball from Aaron Rodgers. It's being out in the 327 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: space and trying to look up field and not securing 328 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: that ball. It comes back to fundamentals. People don't want 329 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: to hear about it. It gets tiring. I know, but 330 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: as you wrote an inbox on Monday, then I reiterated 331 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, it's a game of basic execution. The Packers 332 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: are not getting enough of that right now. Yeah, you 333 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the injuries. The Packers are dealing with a wide 334 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: receiver Lazard. Lazard goes out his status right now certainly 335 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: very much in doubt. Randall Cobb is currently on injury reserve. 336 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: The Packers got Sammy Watkins back, but Christian Watson is 337 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: not back yet from uh from his hamstring injury. So 338 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things in flux with regard to what 339 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: exactly the wide receiver corps will be for this week's 340 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: upcoming road trip to Buffalo. And then the Packers are 341 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: also trying to figure some things out on the offensive line. 342 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: They spent the week with a with a reconfigured line 343 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: that had Josh and i'man taking over at right tackle. 344 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins was moved from right tackle to his more 345 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: traditional position of left guard, where he was a pro 346 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: bowler a couple of years ago. John Runyon was flipped 347 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: from left guard over to right guard. Josh Myers obviously 348 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: stayed at center, but then at the eleventh hour, David 349 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: Baktiers knee was not feeling up to par, and a 350 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: pregame workout um at the stadium a couple hours before 351 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: the game wasn't good enough for bok tr to be 352 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: able to go. So rookie fourth round pick from Wake Forest, 353 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: Zach Tom ended up starting at left tackle, getting his 354 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: his first NFL start on the road. Difficult situation, obviously, 355 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: and the Packers went with it that way because rather 356 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: than you know, flip Josh and Iiman back to left 357 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: tackle and and ad just because that was the way 358 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: they had practiced all week as far as those first 359 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: three guys that I had mentioned, So they plugged in 360 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: Zack Tom at left tackle. Now, certainly the performance of 361 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the offensive line was better than it was against the Jets. 362 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: The game plan in terms of a lot of quick throws, 363 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: three step drop, get rid of the ball, not a 364 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: lot of not a lot of uh um, you know, 365 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: seven step drop and and extended route concepts and all 366 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: of that. Not a whole lot of that in the 367 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: game plan. So that helped from a past protection standpoint, 368 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: and there certainly was some some production in the ground game. 369 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: But yet there you know, they're still this is this 370 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: is a group and whether or not box Tr is 371 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: going to be back next week or if they're they're 372 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to ride with Tom for a while. This 373 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: is the group that the Packers are gonna go with. Here, 374 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: this this alignment, health permitting and uh and try to 375 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: make it work. It wasn't. It wasn't at its best, 376 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't think in the first outing. But there were 377 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: some encouraging signs and we'll see if this group can 378 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: sort of come together and develop the cohesion that you 379 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: hope for. Yeah, and and that was the big idea 380 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: with all this is that you're getting you know, John 381 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: Running who's worked for the basically a bulk of the 382 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: past year with yosh Naim, and you move both of 383 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: them over the right side. You allow Elton to go 384 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: back to the position he was a pro bowler at 385 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: josh Meyer's in the middle as your stationary, and then 386 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: bok Tr is at left tackle. The one interesting thing 387 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: about all this is bok Tr even before there was 388 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: the he was added with the game designation on Saturday. 389 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: He was always on the injury report with the name, 390 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: but the he got added with the game designation, it's questionable. 391 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: He was still limited during practice so Zach Tom was 392 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: the one spelling him. So the idea being is that 393 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: not only is it about letting elk or I should 394 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: say Yosh get comfortable at the right tackle spot, it's 395 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: the fact that if you did push Josh over to 396 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: left tackle, well now you don't have anyone that's really 397 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: taken reps at right tackle this week. So that's the 398 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: perplection that they were kind of presented. With that being said, 399 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: I like the adjustments they made. They used a little 400 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: bit more, you know, they shaded you know, Mercedes Lewis 401 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: over to that side with Tom, which he appreciated being 402 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: able to work with Jenkins. He felt comfortable in that role. 403 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: And Mike I've said it time and time again. I 404 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: mean everybody the more recent media, which is cool. Everyone 405 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: has their own proclivities. But they talked a lot about 406 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: him and Elton. You know all that Tom moves around 407 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: like Elton. My big thing for the bulk of the 408 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: last few months has been he reminds me a lot 409 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: more of J. C. Treader and that he's a guy 410 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: that was, you know, a left tackle at in college. 411 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: You know, maybe not the biggest guy at that spot. 412 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Maybe you project him to be inside, whether it be 413 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: a center spot or a guard spot. But he can 414 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: hold his own out there. And I thought, you know, 415 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Tom showed incredible footwork during training camp. I think he's 416 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a really smart kid and and he survived just fine. 417 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: The big question for the Packers is, as Matt Lafleur 418 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: reiterated on Monday, this line is better when David bak 419 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: tr is better. The run offense is better when David 420 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: Bakti is out there. That's where we have to monitor 421 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: this thing because it isn't just about David Bakti being 422 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: on the field. It's about David Botr, the five time 423 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: All Pro, the guy we're talking about being a potential 424 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Famer. That's the guy you need back. 425 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: And whether it's they're gonna have to do some adjustments 426 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: with his practice, scheduling practice all last week, whatever it is. 427 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 1: Um if the Packers are going to get this thing 428 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: turned around, offensively is a big part of that. So 429 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna allow the rest that line to settle in. 430 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: If Dave isn't able to go, I would imagine you're 431 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: gonna see more Zack Tom at left tackle. They want 432 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: to give Yash that opportunity at right tackle. Now that's 433 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: how that's how I see it unfolded. And now if 434 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: now the real question becomes if Botr is back, but 435 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: you gotta do the rotation, then what do you do. 436 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: They'll figure that out on a different day. But ultimately 437 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: this was the path forward for Green Bay. And as 438 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: first impressions go, considering all of the adjustments they made 439 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: without the benefit of a bye week or any huge, 440 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: you know, time off, and then a major change at 441 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: the eleventh hour, I felt like it went pretty well 442 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: for them. And yeah, it went it. Uh, it certainly 443 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: was um, it certainly was an improvement over where the 444 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: offensive line was against the Jets, and I think I 445 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: think there's at least some comfort level with the changes 446 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: that have been made. But as you said, they would 447 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: love to get David Batieri back at left tackle as 448 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: as that anchor, because because the offense just you know, 449 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: it functions better with a player like that on the field. 450 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: A little bit of sponsored business here. 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All right, I want to throw out a 458 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff at you with regard to what 459 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: happened in Week seven in the NFL, and I'll let 460 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: you comment on what you what you think is worth 461 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: comment and see what I take care. The New York 462 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: Giants are six and one after yet another fourth quarter comeback. 463 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys are five and two, and that defense 464 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: looks every bit as real as it was potentially as 465 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: it was projected to be. In the a f c 466 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Um Joe Burrow and the Bengals might have found something 467 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: and hit their stride. Meanwhile, there's a quarterback change going 468 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: on in Indianapolis, Um. And then back in the NFC, 469 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, San Francisco forty Niners, and now 470 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears are all three and four, just like the 471 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Packers are. That's sort of my laundry list of Week 472 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: seven in the NFL, So go ahead. I think it's 473 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: another reminder again that you can't just take a look 474 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: at what the schedule is. You can't look at, oh, well, 475 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: how's the strength of schedule gonna line up? You know, 476 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: because so much changes. And you look at a team 477 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: like Carolina that they start a fire sale there on 478 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: what their third string quarterback. I doubt anybody gave them 479 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: a chance. And in a lot of ways, I think 480 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: people viewed that game for the Buccaneers a lot like 481 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: they viewed this game for the Packers against the Commanders. 482 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: It's an interim interim head coach in Carolina, interim head coach, um, 483 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: and they handed it to him. Uh, you know it's 484 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: this is gonna be one of those years, Mike, and 485 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: I think we're learning something about Daniel Jones and the Giants. Um. 486 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: I think we've learned something about that defense too with 487 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: New York. I mean, when you when you are the 488 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: when you are the best team, when you are the 489 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: best team in the fourth quarter every single week, you're 490 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games. What the Giants are doing, 491 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: quite frankly, and this is this kind of just occurred 492 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: to me. What the Giants are doing, quite frankly, reminds 493 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: me a lot of the Packers under Matt Lafleur. In 494 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: nineteens first year as head coach, they were not a 495 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: dominant team. They had a lot of attractive pieces, a 496 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of things that looked really interesting. They were in 497 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: every game, just about every game. There were a couple 498 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: of hiccups, but they were in just about every game, 499 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: and every game they were in they were more likely 500 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: than not the better team in the fourth quarter making 501 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: the plays late in the game. And that's how that's 502 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: how a not impressive statistically, you know, team like the 503 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: Packers in nineteen ended up with thirteen victories. The New 504 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: York Giants are looking very much, in my opinion, like 505 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: that kind of team. Very different personnel, very different style 506 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: of play, but in terms of those parameters, that's what 507 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: it feels like to me. And there's so much good 508 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: coaching going on, not just in New York but throughout 509 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: the league. I mean, you look at what Brian Dabbles 510 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: has put together for Daniel Jones. I mean, there's a 511 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: reason why the Giants have been so devoted to him 512 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: the last three years is because they felt like talent 513 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: was there. He maybe is going to have to do 514 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: it in kind of a gamer, you know, kind of 515 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: man's mindset. But whether it's the the ability to scrambles, 516 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: just making plays and clutch moments. I mean, he's proven 517 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: to have the mental toughness for it. I mean Geno 518 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: Smith is doing very similar stuff in Seattle right now. 519 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: But Seattle Seahawks are four and three. Who would have 520 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: Who would have thought? Nobody the supposed rebuild that Pete 521 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Carroll and that crew was was going through. Everybody was 522 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: signing them up for you know, one A, one B 523 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: with the Texans as far as the first pick for 524 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: next year, and it just shows you all these different 525 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: directions things can go for Green Bay. I think it's 526 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: another reminder. You look at Chicago UM and what teams 527 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: in the National Football League was saying about the Bears 528 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: after those first few weeks, and you know, I I 529 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: commend Luke Getsy and the offensive coaching staff and with 530 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: the Bears to be able to it seemed like develop 531 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more friendly game plan for their young 532 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: quarterback in that game and allowed him to do use 533 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: his feet a little bit more. It can all turn 534 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: around in one week, is the moral of the story here. 535 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of create your own narrative 536 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: in these mount moments, and that's why this week for 537 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the Packers. You and I are going to talk about 538 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: it on Thursday. It's gonna be a challenging week. We 539 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: already know what the point spread looks like. It's going 540 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: to be an underdog type mentality. But if you're going 541 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: to drop one to the Commanders, I mean, you could 542 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: say what you want about the Giants at six and one, 543 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: you can say what you want about the Jets. So 544 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: now they lose Breeese Hall. Now, yeah, Jets are Jets 545 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: are five and two, but yeah they lost. They lost 546 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: their biggest playmaker on offense. Both of those teams I 547 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: think are a lot better than everybody, myself included gave 548 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: them credit for me to Washington was a little bit 549 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: more that one where you get that feeling that it's 550 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: like you lose two close games, you lose a game 551 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: at LAMB, but you do not expect to lose to 552 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: the Jets. You kind of have that quote unquote letdown, 553 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: and everybody was guarding against that when last week, but 554 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: it happened. Well, if you want to be able to 555 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: get yourself back in this thing, if you want to 556 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: put yourself back in that quote unquote play off hunt, 557 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: when people start talking about that stuff. It has to 558 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: start against the New York excuse me, A Buffalo Bills 559 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: team that not a lot of people are giving you 560 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: a chance against. Yeah, and a Buffalo Bills team that 561 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: will be coming off of by they have just one 562 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: loss on the season, a team that that has been 563 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: thinking nothing but super Bowl since uh since you know, 564 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: really um disappointing playoff endings for them the last couple 565 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: of years, especially last year the way they let the 566 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: game at the at Arrowhead against the Chiefs get away 567 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: so um. As Aaron Rodgers said after the game, you know, 568 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe this is the best thing for the Packers because 569 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: all they're going to hear, whether they want to listen 570 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: to it or not, all they're going to hear is 571 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: how they have no chance going into Buffalo in primetime 572 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: on Sunday night football. Everybody that has watched the success 573 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: of this team over the last however many years, you 574 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: want to say, the organization has been successful. People, what 575 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: people want to put a nail in the coffin on 576 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: the season for the Green Bay Packers if if they 577 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: get their fifth loss in in Buffalo on Sunday night 578 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: and uh, and it's up to the it's up to 579 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: the Packers to see how they respond to this situation. 580 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: You know. The crazy thing about this will preview the 581 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: game on Thursday. We'll get to it then. But what 582 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: an incredibly lazy narrative that's going to be. We haven't 583 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: even heard it yet, but you can see it coming 584 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: down the Yeah, that's that's that's why I said it. 585 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: You know, you know that that's with this game being 586 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: in prime time, you know, Sunday night football, all the 587 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: all the talk all week is going to be is 588 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: going to be that that this is, you know, is 589 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: going to be some sort of this is the end 590 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: of you know, this Packers era and the passing of 591 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: the torch and all this kind of stuff, and you know, 592 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, hey, you know, regardless of what 593 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: happens in Buffalo on Sunday night, there's still gonna be 594 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: nine more games left in the regular season. And the 595 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: other thing that's kind of weird about this is if, okay, 596 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: if the Packers were five and two, Green may matches 597 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: up really well with Buffalo, Like if you think about it, like, yes, 598 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the Bills are incredibly explosive, they have an incredible quarterback, 599 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: they have weapons on the perimeter. They don't run the ball, 600 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: and that's been one of the things that have hurt 601 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: the Packers at this point. Now, maybe they'll switch their 602 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: colors and Devin single Terry, I'll get a bunch of carries, 603 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: but they don't this This Bill's team is a lot 604 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: like the Packers in two thousand eleven and how they 605 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: operate offensively. So it's funny that people aren't giving them 606 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: a chance because Green Bay, despite their record, with their 607 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: past defense and in some of the options they actually 608 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: do match up with them, all right, But you know, 609 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: because of where they are and losing three straight, that's 610 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: the reason everybody is going to be doubting them. Yeah, 611 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: there's the three straight, there's the injuries, there's there's just 612 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: and and it's not just losing three straight, but it's 613 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: it's playing a level of football that's just that the 614 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Packers are not accustomed to. And uh and and they've 615 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: got they've got to get things straightened out and turned 616 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: around and and we'll see if they can do it. 617 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: But we will talk more about the Buffalo Bills on 618 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: our next show. For now, we'll call it a wrap 619 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Own Script, And be sure 620 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team West, 621 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: and I have all kinds of content for you on 622 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike. Thank you for 623 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, See you next time.