WEBVTT - It’s Power Not Partisanship 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Native Lampod is a production of Ireheart Radio in partnership 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:11.760 with reisent Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all's Native Lampod Episode one, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 O six and we are your co host. I'm Tiffany 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.440 Cross here with Angela Rai, Andrew Gillham and Bacari Sellery's 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:19.480 last on purpose. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.960 No, no, this uh, it's been a bit week, so 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:25.919 I want to get right into it. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.600 What are we talking about today? 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:29.560 Now? 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.880 I'm going first, since y'all like to call me out. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.279 I'm gonna I believe in myself and I'm gonna use 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:40.560 my voice. I'm reclaiming my time, all right, MAXI No, 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.520 I want to talk about these Epstein files because it's 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.240 something interesting going on as we have this discussion, because 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.360 Republicans are conflating Democrats who are fundraising and Democrats who 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.800 are communicating with their constituents and the words of Representative 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.000 Plasquet and the individuals who are converting with him on 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.800 Epstein Island and had untoward. Did I pronounce that right? Andrew? 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.880 Yeah, you got it, and you know you got two seconds? 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.960 Yeah no, And those who were those last. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.440 Rich rich coming from me? 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.920 Yeah no, and exactly, thank you, and those individuals who 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.480 were doing that on those untoward or participating in that 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.319 in that untoward behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, they're not that. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.840 I don't want to know what impact is going to 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.959 have this Epstein stuff on the Margarine. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.000 So what'd you got? Angela? 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.320 I'm excited to talk to the Massachusetts Attorney General today, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.280 Andrea Campbell, who will join us to talk about all 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.080 things we know that Snap was certainly up for grabs 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.199 in that war. Snap battle is just getting started along 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.640 with DEI and all of the many accomplishments he has, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.720 including suing Donald Trump several times, with lots of other things. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.200 With that, Andrew, what you got? 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.920 You know, it's hard to choose, but I think I'm 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:59.000 going to camp out in the area of I actually don't. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.080 Know what was he go stay tuned for into surprise topic. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.040 We got a lot of newer questions to get to. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.040 That's why he likes That's why he liked to go 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.400 first a second because it. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:11.519 Is still the first. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.840 It's like, I don't watch. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.200 They don't know nothing about that to be continued when 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.680 you have to wait a whole week, so to be 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.240 continued to see what Andrew. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.440 Wants to talk about Well, we've been a lot of 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.880 newer questions, so we're going to get to those. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.639 Something I want to get into is a new law 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.680 popping up in a lot of Red states to allow 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.000 pregnant women the ability to park in handicapped spaces, which 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.880 sounds like may not be a bad thing, right, I'm going. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.400 To say why I got a problem with that. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.160 So we're going to get into that and more tif Tiff. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.400 It's come to me and it is a serious topic. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.320 So I regret that I didn't recall it initially. But 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.040 we're going to talk about this Trump administration again. This 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.600 Justice Department, the arm of the of the Trump White House, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:05.320 who is seeking to have the killer of Breonna Taylor, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.000 one of the killers who was found guilty. I believe 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.680 after the third trial, their effort to roll back his 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.600 sentence more on that than the Trump. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.520 All right, just get into all of that on this 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:24.360 episode of Native Land. Let's jump right into it right now. Okay, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.440 So Becry, since you went first, we'll go with your 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.120 topic first. I definitely want to get into the whole 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.680 Trump Epstein files, because it was a lot happening this 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.120 week on Capitol Hill, the House and the Senate voted 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.960 almost unanimously. There was one vote, I believe in the House, Angela, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.080 is that correct. Yeah, in the House, one person voted 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.520 against releasing the files. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.800 But there is a vote. We will see. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.200 At the time of this recording, we don't know Donald 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.680 Trump has signed this bill into law to release the file, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.400 so we'll see. But I'm sorry I did it again, Bakari. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:02.920 He got more head. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.400 I got a good head that. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.200 Was making his wife fuzzy because his WiFi fuzzy. Again. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.200 I thought it'd be better when he finally went. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:19.080 Home find it could be clear. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.400 I still don't mind calling it out because it's fuzzy. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:28.080 I was talking about the challenge with the how how 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.440 people are perceiving this. I have a lot of thoughts 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.120 on this, but I want to let you leave the 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.000 discussion because I I don't think this is going to 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.479 matter at all, But I want you to lay it 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:37.480 out first. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.440 Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. So I think 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.320 that this is the only thing that separates MAGA from Trump. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.960 I think that you're seeing the far right because Trump 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.000 is the first person. Let's set the historical context. Trump 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.400 in twenty fifteen was the first person to put Epstein 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.320 files on the radar when he was running against Hillary Clinton, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.080 when Hillary Clinton was the front runner for the Democratic nominee, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.760 when he wanted to lump Bill Clinton in with Jeffrey 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.800 Epps and everyone else. He made this the issue d 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.960 jure and they built so many conspiracy theories just off 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.240 pedophilia in the left. I don't know if you recall, 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.039 but allegedly Democrats were molesting children and some pizzeria in 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.200 Washington in Washington, DC, right, and so this was the 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.920 underbellion undercurrent for a lot of MAGA. Even earlier this year, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.880 you had GOP influencers coming out of the White House 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.680 with trapper keepers talking about we got the first set 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.880 of the Epstein files, and low and behold they had nothing. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.000 Or you had Pam Bondi who said I had the 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.440 Epstein files on my desk and lo and behold she 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.599 had nothing. And so maybe, well maybe I believe that 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.039 the I believe that this is a it's a through 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.920 line here. And the first thing is I believe that 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.839 this is the only thing that the far right or 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.520 MAGA base turns against Donald Trump on. Now how long 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.320 standing that is, I'm not sure, but you're already seeing 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.120 that fracturing with people like Nancy Mace, Thomas Massey, and 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.599 Marjorie Taylor, Nancy Mason, Marjorie Taylor Green being the cheerleaders 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.160 for MAGA. I think they just have like little m 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.000 AGA cheers that they do in the bathroom every day 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.479 they go to Congress, right, And so that's first. The 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.279 second thing is that Bill actually gave Pam Bondi in 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.040 the Department of Justice a lot of opportunity to go 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.280 in and scrub the list for things they don't like, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.279 for names they don't like, for individuals they don't like, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.200 for witnesses they don't like. So that gives me some 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.640 pause that you're not going to have full transparency. And last, 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.880 but not least, I think that it's very weird. And 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.120 this is this is somewhat of a reach, Tiffany, and 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.840 this is why you're the journalist, and you're gonna be like, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.200 I'm making a journalistic reach. But I do think you 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.880 can have a conversation about Andrew Tate and the interference 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.279 of the Department of Justice with Andrew Tate, who is 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.960 himself a certified tax you know, a toxic man who 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.960 is a misogynist, who is under investigation for sexual trafficking, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.880 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and the interference from 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:59.599 the White House with their reluctance of showing up the 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.120 or showing out or showing off the Epstein files. I 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.599 just think that there is an underbelly of toxic toxicity 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.440 that deals with the lack of caring for young people 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.360 women that we have to discuss this emanating from the right, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.160 And I think that there's a through line that still 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.600 trumps and that may be, that may be, that may 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:19.480 that may be a leap. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.640 So I'm just saying, for my clarification and for the audience, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.840 what exactly is Trump's role and Andrew. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.680 T so So when so one when Andrew Tate, who 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.840 many people may or may not know because he is 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.800 in what they call the manosphere, which is where unfortunately 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.200 a lot of men, even I was talking to some 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.800 of my nephews, but young black men, actually ascribed to 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.040 his podcast as words He's literally beat women on campus, 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.440 He's allegedly held them as slaves, he's trafficked them, et cetera. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.160 He was under investigation in Romania. As soon as Donald 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.000 Trump won, he put out a tweet saying that the 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.840 Tate Boys are coming home. He ended up on a 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:00.280 flight to Florida and they confiscated Yeah, they confiscated his 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.640 phones on the plane. And the young gentleman I pronounced 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.000 his last name wrong all the time, who was up 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.320 for an appointment to the Department of Justice just recently 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:14.640 and political ran the story exposing his Nazi tweets. Made 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.480 a phone call to the border agents to give the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.400 Tape Brothers back their devices after they were seized at 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.560 the border, something that had never been done before. It 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.320 had a very chilling effect. They interfered on behalf and 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.240 Pro Publica has written an amazing piece about it. But 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.920 they interfered on behalf of people who are under investigation 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.920 for sex trafficking, which by the way, sounds eerily like 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.320 Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it ties into this whole 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.880 conversation about the Mantle sphare. I think it ties into 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.360 a whole conversation we're having about what's in the files. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.720 Who was protecting these people Paul and Gracia if I 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.280 pronounced it right, and Gracia and Gracia. But he is 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.560 someone right now who works and got a job without 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.360 having secure without having to go through the nomination process, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.200 So I think it all ties in together. There's a 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.920 lot that you on there. I sounded like Andrew Gillham 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:13.520 and my recitation of where we were, But but that's 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.400 just those things have been bothering me, and Epstein has 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:18.800 been bothering my core for a while. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.920 Angela, I muted because I'm I hear the comments all 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.600 the times. Please stop talking over each other. But I 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.320 hear everything Makari said, and I want to bring us 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.360 back to Epstein unless you had something on this, but 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.560 something that was really frustrating me. We were in our 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.080 group chat talking about this because I saw time and 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:40.200 again this week Republican members of Congress totally railroaded interviews. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.920 Anytime they were asked about, you know, Trump and Epstein, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.520 they would deflect. And one person that kept deflecting to 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.720 was Congress froman Stacey Plasket. So I don't know what 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.959 you're about to say, but I definitely wanted to ask 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.640 you about Stacey Plaskett and all this. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:52.880 I'll go back on mute. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.160 Yeah, I think to stay I ask I'm sorry, no, no, Angela, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.480 if you're going there or if you I wouldn't sure 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.360 if you're making comments on Bacari Pacar's introduction or Plasket. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.720 I was about to talk about Stacey Blasket, So go ahead. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.680 Okay, before you transition there, if I could just Tiffany, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.640 you raised some doubt as to whether or not you 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.400 think there's some lasting impact to what's occurred this week, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.439 and frankly, the build up and all the Republican fumbling 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:28.000 around this issue pretty basic to me that when you're 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:34.080 dealing with child's sex trafficking, that there's no partisanship to that. Right. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.320 Everybody ought to be pretty clear that we are against 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:42.360 people who traffic children. But now they've begun to split 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.559 hairs on the right, basically saying a fourteen year old 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.760 in an eight year old or a five year old 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:53.400 are different without acknowledging that you cannot be under the 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.319 age of eighteen and give consent legal consent for the 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:02.280 business of sex. It just and some people have a 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.720 harder line, like where Angela, you know, affiliates church wise, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.120 I was coaching two at one point. You know, we 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.880 take harder lines around this thing. It's not just what 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.440 you are legally able to do, but then there's morally 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.400 ethically and so on and so forth. But but but 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:22.000 I would say they've majorly fumbled the ball here, mostly 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.160 because they've treated it like a ball and not like 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.000 the individual lives that are at stake and that have 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.240 been impacted. Tiff, I think you may have some silf 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.839 the press conference this week. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.319 Well before we played the clip, because I wanted to 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.480 set it up if you guys don't mind. So yeah, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.600 so my point Andrew about I don't think any of 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:47.120 this matters, Like, yeah, obviously we all agree that we 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.000 should all agree that pedophilia is a problem. But here's 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:56.760 my challenge with this. We already knew who Donald Trump 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.319 was before he was ever elected. And yes, but Kry, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.480 I take your point that he was that he introduced 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.400 us because and the right was they were salivating over 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.440 this because they thought the Clintons were attacked. They thought 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.319 this was a democratic problem, which it turns out it's 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.200 an everyone problem. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:13.840 And so. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.080 We already knew that Trump was a liar before any 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.480 of this happened. He asked Attorney General Pam Bondi. She 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.959 told him his name does appear in the Epstein files, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.920 and he told the Wall Street Journal that she never 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.000 said that. So these lies are pretty open and apparent. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.760 We already knew that Trump had many problems with women, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.920 and so I'll say all of his challenges with women 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.920 after we hear from one of the survivors who spoke 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.280 this week at a press conference. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:49.880 Take a listen, and we'll talk about it. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.000 On the other side, I beg you, President Trump, please 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:58.040 stop making this political show, some class show, some real leadership, 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.760 show that you actually care about the people other than yourself. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.640 I voted for you, but your behavior. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:11.200 On this issue has been an national embarrassment. It is 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.320 time to take the honest moral ground and support the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:16.720 release of these files. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.960 Okay, So that was Jenna Lisa Jones, one of the 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.439 survivors of Epstein, And here is my challenge. Jenna Lisa 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.200 Jones voted for Donald Trump prior to his election for 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.680 this second time. By the way, we already knew that 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.640 he had challenges with women. He's on record talking about 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.920 you know you women, to let you do what you 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.560 want if you can grab him by the p there. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:43.280 According to reporting by BuzzFeed, he would go when he 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.680 was running the beauty pageant, the Miss USA I Believe 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.760 beauty pageant, he would go in where Miss teen USA 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.800 forgive me, where young girls as young as fifteen were 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.840 dressing and make jokes about his obligation or his ability 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.600 to be able to sleep with them if he wanted. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.760 He would look at young women and say, you know, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.520 if you were a little older, I'd be dating you. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.760 He's made these kind of sick comments about his own 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:12.480 daughter right now. In these detention facilities. Ice detention facilities, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.320 we have seen evidence previously of alleged child abuse. There 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.160 was the largest US operator for some of these shelters 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.520 for migrant children face allegations of sexual abuse and harassment 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.560 of miners at these facilities. The abuse allegedly took place 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.320 at Southwest Key Program, someplace that was still operating up 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.200 until a year ago, could potentially still be operating now. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.720 It's a very shadowy operation. So I kind of feel like, yes, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.480 obviously these women are survivors and they deserve justice, But 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.000 the fact that they voted for this man and vote 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.640 for policies that put other children in harm's weight, not 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.520 just of abuse, but of sexual abuse. I find it 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.400 a little difficult to reach down inside myself and my 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.760 own humanity and have sympathy because you're My challenge with 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.920 this is Andrew. You don't want it to happen to you, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.800 But it was okay when these things were happening to 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.480 someone else. It's okay when you put other children in hers. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.800 I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't take that. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.480 I take a shoe at that, and let me let 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.760 me just first first. I don't think that we can 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.920 allow them to change who we are in our core. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.320 And I think that having a level of sympathy and 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.040 or empathy for someone who was the victim of Jeffrey 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.960 Epstein can be looked at in a vacuum and mutually 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.359 exclusive from who they voted for on this particular issue. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.080 For me, it's not a challenge for me to support 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.400 her through her healing journey because she went through something 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:48.320 indescribable when she was a child perpetrated by a predator 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.920 and by that predator's friends who were only protected by 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:58.680 other powerful people and government. And you know, I don't. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.040 I can't. I can in my heart separate my sympathy 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.960 and empathy for her from who she voted for, because 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.800 I refuse to allow them to take away the heart 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.680 that I believe helps makes me whole and see the 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:15.800 world in the way that I do. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.400 I'm not saying she doesn't deserve symphony. Think I'm saying 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.280 she voted in favor of someone who perpetuates the same 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.480 thing that she claims she doesn't want. A few weeks 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:25.880 on this show, a few weeks ago, on this show, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.160 we played the clip of Nancy Mace running out the 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.400 testimonial room in tears. Well, she votes with Trump ninety 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.720 eight percent of the times, like they vote in favor 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.880 of policy that allows this type of behavior to continue. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.320 And if this type of behavior was happening to little 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.880 white kids, it would be tragic. But when it's happening 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.880 to little brown kids again, please, I would ask the audience, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.320 I don't want to go down a whole rabbit hole. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.600 But Southwest Key Programs was a huge It was an 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.200 awful thing. Our failure of legacy. Media never covered this 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.120 with the intention and shit, but in print media you 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.200 could see a lot of stories about it where children 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.560 were abused all the time. This was during his first 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:04.639 ad ministration. So my challenge Bakari and Andrew is I, yes, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.280 obviously nobody deserves to be abused as a child, But 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.600 my problem is this happened to you, and you still 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.600 voted for a man who was allowing whose policies are 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.639 allowing this to happen to someone else? You voted for 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.240 a man where it was public knowledge and it was BuzzFeed. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:22.680 I can't remember what I said, but it was BuzzFeed 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.120 who did the reporting about his inappropriate behavior with fifteen 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:31.159 year old pageant contestants. So I'm not saying they deserve it. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.720 I find the hypocrisy in this quite disgusting personally, but 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:36.560 go for it. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.679 I don't know that the hypocrisy is as black and 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:44.200 white as we describe it now. One. I don't think 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.800 that people drew the conclusion that Donald Trump was a 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.040 abuser of underage children not doing the campaign. No one 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.360 made that allegation. Yes, he was inappropriate, and by the way, 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.920 that's inexcusable as well for a grown a man. But 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.120 people treated. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.240 That like boys will be boys if you are out 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:08.080 of that line during the kid No, I don't condone 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:09.720 it by any means, but I don't think there was 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.760 a serious allegation at the time that he had participated 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.920 and child molestation and child abuse. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.119 He was off color about his daughter, he was off 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.160 color about about these these pageants participants, and by the way, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.920 we could absolutely go down the you know circle, the 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.720 the the drain on all of the kinds of ways 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.639 in which Donald Trump is inappropriate. I don't believe that 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.800 these women voted for a man who they believed was 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:46.000 sexually abusing children. He may have been an association, and again, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.280 they may, like all adults, be able to make complicated, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.639 you know, decision making and say, yeah, well, such and 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.879 such was associated with my family, but I never knew 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.960 what was happening behind closed doors, so they make allowance 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.119 for those things. What really cut through for me with 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.320 these women in their messaging is that it was the 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.040 women who voted for Donald Trump who I thought were 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:14.040 most excoriating of him, his behavior and his record. Now 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.840 it may feel like a little too too little, too late, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.679 but I actually applaud these folks for being able to 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.240 rise above whatever the partisanship was in the moment to say, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.119 don't look at me where I am today, the voter, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.720 the thirty eight year old, forty eight year old woman, 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.800 look at me as the fourteen year old who did 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.120 not have defense, who did not have the adults who 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.840 should have been paying attention, who should have had my back, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.720 who should have prevented all of these travesties from happening 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:46.960 to me and to a thousand other girls like me. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.400 They didn't have a defense. They didn't have a defender, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.800 they didn't have a champion, they didn't have the basic 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.199 modicum of justice available to them. I don't want to 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.800 over extreme this thing, but when those women during their 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.960 pre conferences, we asked us to close our eyes and 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.280 sort of think about the the women in our lives, 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.280 the girls in our lives at their age at fourteen, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.199 think about what they smell like, what they sound like, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.600 how they laugh. I just could not help but to 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.000 put myself in that place and consider all the all 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.800 the women I know, including you all, and think what 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.639 the hell I wouldn't do in defense of you. And 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.000 the fact that the whole system laid down on its 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.320 back for Jeffrey Epstein in the and and in the 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:43.560 in the, in the the the depth of a diabolical 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:49.000 behavior that took place there, I'm beyond Jeffrey Epstein. I 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.880 want these files because I want to. I want I 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.879 want to unmask the system that allow for that to happen. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.000 Because it wasn't just that colorable, that's for sure. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.399 But if I can, if I can, if I can 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.480 believe been very patient the soult, But I just want 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:05.359 to make this point because I. 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.400 Think, yes, twenty three minutes podcast you yielded the mic. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.240 I just want to make one quick point after every 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.960 one of them, three minutes an adult conversation. I just 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.919 want to make this quick point. Southwest Key Programs is 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.479 still allowing for multiple abuse to happen, So the system 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:23.360 still exists. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.080 That's not okay. Care, So that's the only point. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:30.200 Absolutely not okay. Agree, agreed, Agreed, Angela. 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.040 Yes, So I hope that we can all agree that 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:37.160 child abuse, elder abuse, abuse of any adult, any abusive, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.760 any kind, tiffany thinking of you with dogs is not okay. Right, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.840 It's not okay, And that is the adult conversation. The 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.600 adult conversation is to acknowledge that this isn't a partisan 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.600 conversation at all. It's a conversation about power. The conversation 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:54.720 is the fact that there are people who are not 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.600 blameless on either side of the aisle. The conversation is 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.000 about the way in which this issue has been made 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.119 to be a political football. Andrew, I think use the 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:10.000 analogy of a ball as well, and both parties are 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.879 to blame here. Larry Summers is in front of a 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:18.040 Harvard class just on Tuesday talking about his role and 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.520 how he was going to take a step back. But 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.720 if it's okay, I'm going to proceed to teach this class. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.119 We have no idea who is all in it, like 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.840 literally to blame for this, and it is not. I 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.760 hate to do this because I want to blame Donald 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.400 Trump for everything possible. 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.000 But the reality of it is, there are a lot. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.639 Of people who were playing ball with Jeffrey Epstein, no 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.320 pun intended, a lot of people. There are women, there 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.240 are men, there are elders, there are youngers, everybody in between. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.560 So it is about power and the ways in which 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:57.480 we are proximity. Our proximity to power colors our conviction. 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.320 It blind us to what is right. You know, emails 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.400 being sent by fundraisers and like, yes, I get it. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.840 I was one of the people that would send emails 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.800 for my bosses for fundraisers and turn a blind eye 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.440 to people who we know we wouldn't want to even 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.280 be in the same room with, but because they're a donor, 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.320 because they could cut a goddamn check, we're fine with it. Right, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.600 I understand, Like there are there's a lot here that 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.280 needs to be unpacked, and we have to do this 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.879 in earnest right, like we should not ever be treating 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.480 abuse of anyone as a partisan game. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.560 It's not. It really is not. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.119 And I think that is what is most unfortunate here, 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.160 because even after this vote, it is still being handled 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.520 this way. Donald Trump played a mean, terrible game here, 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.080 and he did not add up the consequences during the election. 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.160 But those people there are. For some people, what's. 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.879 Fine for us to allow them to be single issue voters, 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.359 but for them it's not. I wish that Donald Trump 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:00.880 never set foot in the White House. He is an 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.360 embarrassment to this country. And yet, and still I understand 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.359 how someone could say, well, this person is finally saying 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.480 after decades that they are going to bring us justice 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.520 on this issue where I felt unseen and unheard. I 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.400 would hate to be in that position, But I can 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.879 understand it. As sick as it is, I can understand it, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.439 I really can. And what I think is really unfortunate 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.399 here is on the day of the vote, the Senate 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:28.359 says that the Senate said that they would do you 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.679 see a unanimous concept vote, so they don't even have 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.840 to be recorded for whatever reason you see happen. Bill 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.199 is on the President's desk at the time we record 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.520 this podcast, still not signed it to the law into 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.560 law at the time we record this podcast. 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.040 But the reality of it is they still made it. 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.480 A game because on the House floor Tuesday night, instead 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.960 of focusing on keeping the main thing, the main thing 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:56.440 for Epstein survivors, they turned their ire towards Delegate Stacey Plaskett, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.800 who is a non voting member on the floor and 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:00.720 censured her. 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.520 Sought to censure her. The vote failed. But I do 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.800 want to play this clip since we're talking about felons. 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.360 You don't want to talk about what is really happening here. 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.960 Your a tax on working families, your protection of powerful 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:18.040 predators and corporate criminals. You want to talk about texting, 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:23.000 texting felons. How often do you text President Donald J. Trump? 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.280 That's the individual we should be concerned about. 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:32.440 I loves behind her with absolute. 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.919 The Congressional Black Caucus, chaired by Evatt Clark, made a 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.600 statement in support of Stacy Plaskett. And of course this 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:43.240 is regarding the hearing where Michael Cohen testified before Congress 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.679 last year and in that hearing, Stacey Plaskett uh was 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.200 texting with Jeffrey Epstein. She they they made the allegation 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.080 that he prepped her to question the witness before the hearing, 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.000 that he was feeding her questions. This is a career 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.520 long prosecutor. She didn't need any help from Jeffrey Epstein 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.760 and yet instilled. The issue remains, why is he even 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.840 in your phone? We have to be able to hold 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:10.679 both truths. 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:11.840 Should she be centured for it? 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.560 No, because he was texting and email and talking to 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.359 a whole lot more than just Stacy Plasket. But we 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.480 have to acknowledge what people are battling in this moment 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.000 where we're dealing with proximity to power, abuses of power, 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.680 someone who is trying to undermine and dismantle frankly democracy. 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.720 People want real answers about the way. 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.840 That the He'll moves, the way that politicians move, and 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.359 what needs to change. And I think it is an 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.080 invitation for all of us to figure out what needs 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:41.720 to shift so that we can do right by the 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.280 American people at all time, regardless of our proximity to power. 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.879 Can I throw in one little random fact since we're here, Yeah, 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.560 one of the things that I found to be a 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.520 great deal ironic throughout this whole thing, and going through 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.080 some of the people who are able to kind of 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.200 code the emails for us, is there was one email 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.919 the Tiffany's point a little earlier. We were talking about 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.639 just the systems of power and the Clintons and things 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.280 that happened, but there was one email that actually stated 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.959 that Bill Clinton had never actually been on Epstein Island 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.360 throughout all this entire kind of and this goes back 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.920 to your point, Andrew, we have more questions than answers, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.560 and it should not be that case when you have 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.520 young women and we know that we're victimized, and I mean, 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.760 I yeah, I mean, let's be very clear and intentional 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.120 about our language. Young girls who were victimized, and still 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.679 yet and still to this day, we're talking about someone 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.800 who's sentence and I do criminal law a lot, somebody 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.400 who's sentenced for the crimes in which he pled guilty, 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.119 allowed him free reign to come and go to the 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.560 jail as he pleased, and that person ended up becoming 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.879 the Labor Secretary of the United States, And it just 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.439 it kind of goes to show the person who was 0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.199 up again. Yeah, so it goes to show you that 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.720 some of the things we held to be true may 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.920 not be and some of the questions that we that 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.280 we've had in our heart for a long period of time. 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.439 And this is the I said this before. This is 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:16.040 the fascination of Donald Trump that I have. We talked 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.000 about it last week when we when we talked about 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.880 him speaking for poor people and shitting on a golden toilet, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.640 but poor people believing that he spoke for them. Well, 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.520 in this particular case, the kind of Tiffany's point and 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:33.120 Angela's point to put a bow on it, there are 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.480 women in this country, particularly those victimized by Jeffrey Epstein, 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.240 that felt like Donald Trump is the only one who 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:43.080 spoke for them. And for me, I don't know how 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.240 people go through there. I don't. I can't sit here 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.840 with the audacity to say I know what it's like 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.480 to go through that particular healing journey. But I refuse 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.200 to be like them. So I'm gonna give them that 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:55.959 space to do what's necessary. 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:05.640 I have so many thoughts on that, but I don't 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.080 I don't know if that was a deciding factor for 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.280 those particular set of women. But we talked about this 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.840 last week. We had our disagreement on this last week, 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.040 Bakari and Andrew, we were on opposite sides because I 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.160 think the system of white supremacy was always the. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.920 Top thing for for them. 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.280 It's hard for me to reckon to reconcile that you 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.160 vote for an ACUS sex offender because he's the person 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.000 who's going to. 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:30.840 Speak for you. 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:32.840 I think there were a lot of other factors that 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.680 contributed to that. But I hear you, I hear you. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.360 The chief stands alone, and I think all three of 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.040 y'all probably disagree with No. 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.120 It could it could be. 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:39.880 You could be. 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.920 Right that they're both true. A matter of priority though 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.840 right now was first and foremost of these women was 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.640 there was a candidate running for president who, regardless of 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:55.760 his motivations, because we know they were maniacal, he was 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.920 trying to do an in run around. But regardless of 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.160 his motivations, there was the candidate for president who was 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.680 saying that this kind of behavior is unacceptable and we're 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.200 going to unearth all of it. Lo and behold, he 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.440 is the damn thought right. 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.360 Definitely, we're going to see I mean, they're saying categories 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.240 are going to be blacked out obviously information about the 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.520 victims and explicit details about the actual abuse. But here's 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:24.200 where I'm my Spidey sense, because they're saying information that 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.920 is properly classified to protect national security. And I just wonder, 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.640 who are the people who's going to determine what is 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.480 national security what we can't see. I would imagine that 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.360 some of these folks are going to be Trump acolytes 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.760 and have a political interest in protecting people in these files. 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:47.920 Or have direct complement or or the other thing, which 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.200 is something which is going to catch a wide swath 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.600 of this information as he's going to as he already 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.560 did say that he wanted to put other people under investigation, 0:30:55.840 --> 0:31:00.000 and you cannot disclose information. Oh can I say something 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:00.920 real quick here? 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:01.080 Ye? 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:06.400 All right? This goes out to our Tiffany and Angela's 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.600 good friend, Steven A. Smith. So there were a lot 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:16.600 of people who question why Democrats did not release the 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:20.920 Epstein files when Joe Biden was president. I need to 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:27.360 remind people that Julane Maxwell was not convicted until twoenty 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:32.560 and twenty one, and she was still undergoing her appeals process, 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:37.320 which means that those records could not be opened. While 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:41.320 you're going through that judicial process. And furthermore, there were 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:46.160 still people who were the targets, not official FBI targets, 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.920 but targets of the Epstein investigation, and you dare not 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:54.640 release information while those investigations are ongoing. And so there 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.480 was this conversation that happened kind of around the water cooler. Well, 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.600 Democrats didn't care. They should have released it when Joe 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.040 Biden was president, and I just wanted to fact check 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:05.960 that while we had the microphone. 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.080 But moreover, we actually believe in the system of justice 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:13.000 where the executive does not direct the work of the 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.040 Department of Justice, and you had a Department of Justice 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.040 who was set aside doing its own thing. But moreover, 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.800 we didn't choose this issue to weaponize, to use as 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:26.600 a cudgel over Democrats, to make it a political issue 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.800 that will cause voters to vote one way or another. 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.880 That's not how this issue was treated by Democrats. But 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.080 I'm over the partisan because I think this is going 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.320 to be one of those areas that is going to 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:43.320 cross it if done properly, and I don't have full confidence, 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:46.400 actually I don't have half confidence that properly is going 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.720 to be in the factor here. But if let's say 0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.680 a future president comes along who's interested in real justice here, 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:59.680 perhaps they will make sure that nobody slips through the 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.520 skill that we are able to hold not just the individuals, 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.120 but the systems that allowed it to take place under 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.520 the cover of every clandestine organization in this country, be 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.440 it the CIA, the FBI. Again, we're talking about international 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:17.680 trade of girl. 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.520 I guess the thing that I just would say, and 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.040 I'm not saying that you were directing this response to me, 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.600 but I just want to clarify I'm not talking about 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.560 the release of the files when I say that these 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.280 women waited for decades for justice. They just wanted Jeffrey 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:33.880 Epstein to be held accountable. 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:35.360 Files released or. 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:39.040 Not about Yes, I'm just clarifying for the listener, that's 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.000 not what I'm saying. I'm saying it wasn't that they've 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.080 been pleading for the files to be released. They were 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:47.160 pleading for this man, the people who you know, rape, harassed, 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:49.560 abuse them, to be held accountable. 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.080 And they had not seen that. 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.280 And finally it looked like, you know, especially when you're 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.040 in pain, you're in trauma, it looks like, oh, there's 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.480 someone that's going to do this, not thinking that it 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.480 is again a polittle football for them, so they're thinking like, 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.200 oh my Hope is finally in something, and then you 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.040 know whatever. 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.200 Well, the biggest loser goes to Speaker of the House 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:10.240 period enough. 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.120 Said, oh, I know he should have played that clip. 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.480 Completely responsible next to next to next to President Trump 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.799 for their there being making it necessary for a vote 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.359 to have been having been taken. 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.319 No, making it necessary for a motion to discharge to 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:31.399 have to happen, bring it to the floor, even went 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.959 on recess, they went off the house floor. 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.240 Wouldn't do any house business during this shut down. 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.160 Not six weeks. 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:39.279 I'm not touching this. 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.640 And he wouldn't even he wouldn't even seet the person 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.120 who was the vote for the discharge. 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.640 Petition, Rob Gave's daughter. 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.279 Yes, So let me just also say something that's gonna 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:54.200 make since we all just jumped Tiffany Cross, something that's 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.000 gonna make her feel better. I want to give a 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.160 shot out. I want to give a shout out to 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:07.520 Julie Brown from the Miami Hero because without local journalism, 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.680 which is why I always tell folks, you know, you 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.880 got to support local journalism, you got to support true journalism. 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.680 You got to support independent journalism when it's there. You know, 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.279 Jeffrey Epstein's story, it wouldn't be something that came to 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.880 the forefront, It wouldn't have risen to that level because 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.719 it was because of these It was because of these 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.560 local journalists who decided to listen to the voices of 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:30.280 these girls, who gave a voice to the voice lesson. 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.440 So as we're talking about the white we've talked about 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.879 every angle of this story. I wanted to make sure 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.120 we didn't overlook Julie Brown from the Miami Herald, who 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.239 was one of the many but at the forefront of 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.560 making sure that this story actually saw what do they say, 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.960 They say sunshine is the best disinfectant, and she was 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.920 able to provide a little sunshine to the Jeffrey Epstein story. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.640 Thank you for that, I think really important point. 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.160 All Right, Well, certainly we'll probably revisit this conversation a 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.600 few times, but we do have a guest coming up, 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:14.800 So let's shift gears to that. M all right, joining 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:23.840 Native lamp Pod. Now is the Masssachusetts Massissachusetts? 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:30.040 Okay, he said, you're thinking about Mississippi. 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:31.439 Letter. 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.799 The general is going to be obliged to have to 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.239 correct you, right, that's okay. 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.120 That is how you don't introduce the guess. I was 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:45.719 doing that for your benefits, so. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.520 I know how to introduce a guess and how not 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.520 to around here on these n O P streets. 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.720 Now that's gonna be a T shirt now to. 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.000 Now let's really get into it, you guys. 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.920 Uh any who joining Native. 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:03.000 Lampard now is Theuse's Attorney General, Andrea Joy Campbell. She 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.439 has served as the Commonwealth's forty fifth Attorney General since 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.960 twenty twenty three. She's a member of the Democratic Party, 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:10.840 and before that, she was a member of the Boston 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.839 City Council. Madam Age, thank you so much for joining us. 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.799 We're very pleased to have you. Welcome home, as we 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:17.680 say around. 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.200 Here, welcome home. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.040 Thank you for having me. 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.000 I know you're super busy, so I'm gonna kick us 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.120 off with the question. All my colleagues have a lot 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.040 of questions. I'll be quick with my questions. I think 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.080 one of the heavy things that's big on our minds 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.400 right now. We're seeing what's happening this week with Ice 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:41.120 in Charlotte and our co host Bakari's neck of the Woods, 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.080 and you've been on the forefront fighting the Trump administration 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:45.920 on a lot of this. You seem to be at 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:50.919 odds with the US State's Attorney there in Massachusetts. I've 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.160 seen you guys had a few moments of back and 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.879 forth over what's happening there. But one thing that you've 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:03.200 really been out front on EPs holders Temporary protected status Massachusetts, 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.640 which I was not aware has one of the highest 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:10.640 Haitian populations in Massachusetts. Yeah, I didn't know that, Andrew, 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.880 outside of Florida, and you have been really out front 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:21.000 with protecting that that community of Haitians and Venezuelan's even 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.520 going as far as joining a lawsuit against the federal 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.040 government who's essentially going after what we call sanctuary cities 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.239 where you know, people are allowed to live freely and 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.400 not being disappeared off the streets, but they're holding hostage 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.520 funding basically trying to punish some of these cities. Can 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.719 you let us know what is the latest in that 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:44.239 particular fight and where that stands, particularly as we see 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.520 what's happening in other cities across the country. 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.720 We are doing a lot to protect immigrants and frankly, 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.799 to push back on a cruel immigration policy that we're 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.320 seeing not just in Massachusetts, but as you said, across 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:03.359 the country. And they would have Folks think that the 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:08.080 immigration policy is about promoting public safety, it is exact opposite. 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.800 It is about perpetuating fear in our communities. It's also 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.360 not only perpetuating fear, those who might come forward to 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.959 report a crime are less likely to do so. It's 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:23.120 absolutely undermining the trust between law enforcement and communities that 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.680 have been built over decades and having just the opposite effect. 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.000 And I will just say, with no transparency and very 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.359 little accountability for the agregious tactics that ICE is using 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.960 in our communities, if I had my state police conducting 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.640 operations as ICE is right now, there would be transparency, accountability. 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.680 I would be called to every agency to speak up 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.480 for their tactics. And here you have no accountability whatsoever. 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.719 So we're doing our part to push back, doing a 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.360 lot of know your rights training, filing a lot of litigation. 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.720 We've filed several litigation efforts, I should say, on protecting 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.560 stif including TPS for Venezuelan Haitians. We have a large 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:07.000 Haitian population here in Massachusetts, and so much so that 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.520 if we were to deport every Haitian in Massachusetts, our 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.960 elder care system, our PCA care system, our healthcare system 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.120 would come crumbling down. And so there are real economic 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:23.880 consequences in addition to that cultural contributions, of course, and frankly, 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.560 we're making a crystal clear that these policies do nothing 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.480 to promote the well being of our citizens, do nothing 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.080 to bring about economic prosperity, and absolutely nothing to address 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.839 the cost of living crisis that we're seeing in Massachusetts 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:37.520 and in this country. 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.920 That's right, General, I am coming from Florida, having been 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.520 born and raised in Miami. I actually one of the 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.680 key stops that I made when I was running for 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.000 governor of Florida was to Massachusetts to get rack up 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.640 some endorsements of some of the Haitian leaders in your state. 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.040 Oddly enough, General, you have the distinction of being only 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:03.760 the second africa An American elected statewide UH in Massachusetts 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:10.680 behind UH Edward W. Brooks, who I knew through my 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.120 former boss who was his chief of staff for a 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.080 number of years. When when when Edward W. Brooks was 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:22.040 in in the United States Senate, I am curious to 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:28.160 know whether or not the legal maneuverings of this current 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:32.520 administration in Washington, d C. Very specifically the U. S. 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:38.480 Attorney General's Office has in their targeting of your fellow 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.160 Attorney General, Leticia James of New York State. 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.320 If that. 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:54.480 Targeted, very cruel, unsubstantiated attack on her has caused or 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.200 created any kind of a chilling effect amongst your fellow 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:04.360 attorney general's attorneys general across the country. You all have 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.080 been on the front lines. In fact, when we couldn't 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.759 look around anywhere DC or any other community around the 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:15.560 state and find front line, the attorney's generals were out 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.120 there holding this administration accountable and standing on the side 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.040 of law and justice. But I am curious to know 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.800 whether or not you all have experienced any kind of 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.200 a chilling effect or what concerns it causes you to 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:31.600 see this administration personally go after defenders of democracy and 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.600 of law and of justice such as yourselves as Attorney's general. 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.080 I appreciate the question, and I stand on his shoulders 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:45.080 as well as Duval Patrick's right folks who came ahead 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.960 of me in Massachusetts who paved the way, and I 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.040 used to be an attorney for Governor Patricks, so we're 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.000 quite close in fighting the fight, and I will tell 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.799 you I am inspired by them and all the other 0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:00.000 unnamed black folks that I stand on their shoulders, especially 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.200 black women. I was recently in Montgomery, Alabama, with Brian 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.279 Stevenson talking about the wrongful conviction work he's doing and 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.000 what we could be doing here in Massachusetts, and taking 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.840 in obviously all of the sites that he continues to 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.600 create to lift up our stories. I got on a 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.520 plane and I came back absolutely inspired. So yes, there 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:22.240 are targets on the backs of ags, only Democratic ags 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.160 of course, who are stepping up in this moment in time, 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.840 targets on our back, but I've been leaning into it 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.120 and saying, bring it on, inspired by the history of 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.480 my folks, inspired by the history here in Massachusetts, and 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:37.480 inspired by the stories are real people that without us, 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.040 would not see relief and accountability, wouldn't have snap benefits, 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:44.320 wouldn't have a public education, wouldn't have a clinical trial 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.080 for pediatric cancer if we didn't step up and fight 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.680 the fight. And so I know many of my colleagues 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.319 feel the same. We of course have AG James's back 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.400 all day every day, but we know why we do 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:57.840 this work, and I would add one personal layer for 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.960 me is I'm very faith driven, aim that everywhere I 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.040 go I know not only who I am, I know 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.719 whose I am. So I'm just praying more knowing that 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.600 my God goes ahead of me, behind me, and all 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.319 around me. And I think in this moment in time, 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.960 we need to lean on our personal stories, our history, 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:13.960 and our faith. 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.759 I love that. And I want to please excuse me, 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.319 Duval Patrick, Governor, for that blatant domssion when I talked 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.160 about only one of two state wise, of course there is, 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.320 Governor Patrick. I appreciate the correction. 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.240 No, I was running to correct your Andrew, don't don't worry. 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.120 Thank you. I know you before you started. 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.600 Madam Attorney General. I love you, I adore you. For 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.680 those of you all on Native Land who don't know, 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:45.080 we were in Iowa and a cold, cold Iowa, and 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.880 she was pregnant and we were out there eating cold 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:52.080 pizza and knocking on doors for then presidential candidate Kamala Harris. 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:53.480 So shout out to that baby that was in your 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.520 right next month. 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.719 So we were running the street six years ago. 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.560 My goodness. Let me ask you just a personal question 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.120 because I feel like I know you and supported you 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.799 throughout the way. But people don't know that when they 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.960 see you and they see your smile today, that everything 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.920 don't always go right. In twenty twenty one, you should 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.000 have been, as we thought, the next mayor of the 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.400 City of Boston, and things didn't work out for you. 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.560 Talk about that defeat and how that spurred you on 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.759 to be able to do the great things you're doing now. 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.920 I mean, whether or not you're talking about snap benefits, 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.000 or you're talking about children who aren't in school because 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.359 they're afraid of ice or all those things. It did 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:36.799 not happen if you didn't have that defeat. And we're 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.960 able to gain some moment of clarity, I guess relying 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:40.359 on your face. So how did you get knocked down 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:41.160 and get back up again? 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.840 Definitely my faith even in that loss. I tell folks, 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.080 it's how it's your perspective, right. I flipped the loss 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.560 and saw it as an opportunity, and I said to God, Okay, 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.760 if that wasn't it, then where are we going next? 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.720 And I think it's really important you're going to have losses. 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.319 But if anything, I learned more about myself during that race. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.960 I learned that I carried deeply about politics and government 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.680 helping people and not harming people. And so when the 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.439 opportunity came along to run for Attorney General, I said, 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.960 do I want that job? And let me tell you, 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.840 everything works out as it should, especially when it's connected 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.879 to something bigger than you and when it's not about you. 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.400 And so this work of service is not about me. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.720 But it's not just my faith. You know, my personal story. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.520 I've had so many defeats along the way. You know, 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.040 when I was eight months old, my mom died in 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.440 a car accident going to visit my father, who was 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:30.360 in prison at the time. I didn't even meet my 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.799 father until I was eight, and so my brothers and 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.040 I we bounced around. We lived with my grandmother, who 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.640 did the best she could but struggled with alcoholism at times. 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.560 And when she was struggling, we're in a foster care 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.040 system or with a relative. And then my dad would 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.000 get out of prison. I'd meet him for the first 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:47.920 time when I was eight, but he would live to 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.360 see me graduate from Princeton. I talked to him one morning. 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.000 He died the same evening when I was nineteen years old, 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.719 and then fast forward. My twin brother, Andre would die 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.399 while in the custody of the Department of Correction at 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.319 the age of twenty nine as a pre trial detainee 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.480 as a result of receiving inadequate health care. So I 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.719 sit here today. My middle name is Joy, so I 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.640 have no choice but to stand in that, but it 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.799 comes from my biological mother. And in addition to that, 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.799 just reflecting on all that loss and thinking about how 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.399 do I use this job that I'm privileged to have 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:23.160 to break other cycles of poverty, criminalization, mediocrity for other 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:28.040 families in Massachusetts and families by our work outside of Massachusetts. 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.799 So it's purpose driven work and I'm already breaking those 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:34.240 cycles from my two beautiful boys. So anything that comes 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.200 my way now, I'm just like, bring it on, because 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.480 if I got through all that, I know I'll be 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.640 okay going forward. And I think this is our time 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.520 to remind our people not to be ashamed of their stories, 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.920 to be vulnerable in it, because it gives you tremendous power. 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.239 So when you come across a professional loss, it's not 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.719 that it's a learning opportunity. It's an opportunity to keep 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.520 moving ahead and who knows where you might end. 0:47:55.480 --> 0:48:01.080 Up Attorney General Campbell you talk to about your legacy 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:02.960 and the shoulders you stand on. I can't help but 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.920 to notice the picture of Muhammad Ali you have on 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.080 the wall behind you, and I want to bring that 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.200 up just for a moment, because I think it's important 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.360 for people to understand how many knockout blows you've given 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:18.760 to this administration, the Trump administration, with almost two dozen 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.120 lawsuits against the Trump administration. Would love to talk to 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:26.200 you about how you feel about that record, and now 0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:29.239 that we know that the Trump administration is continuing down 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.760 the very treacherous path of dismantling the Department of Education, 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:37.600 including outsourcing the work of the Civil Rights Division there, 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.719 I'd love to hear about the work that you are 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:44.000 doing and leading with state's attorneys general around DEIA. 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.839 I really appreciate that, and I have Muhammad al lead 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.239 because I feel like in this moment in time, he's 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:53.000 like my muse, I guess, and Fanny lou Hamer too, 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.959 both of them, and maybe Kendrick Lamar. Right now, I'm 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.280 just relying on all of them in so many different ways. 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.680 And I tell folks here in Massachusetts, we're small, but 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.439 we're a mighty state, and we punch above our weight 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.800 every day, and I feel like Muhammad Ali punching above 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.360 our weight. We have now forty one lawsuits against this 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.879 Trump administration. They try to come for three point two 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.840 four billion dollars in Massachusetts investments. Our lawsuits have protected 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.600 three point zero two billion dollars of Massachusetts investments. 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:27.640 So who your. 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.960 AG is in your state matters, And most of these 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:35.440 lawsuits are across state lines to protect DEI and DEA 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.759 initiatives and to do it unapologetically. There is nothing right now, 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.040 even as we sit in this conversation and on this platform, 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.120 there is nothing that this administration at the federal level 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.640 has done that has made DEI initiatives, diversity, equity, and 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:53.439 inclusion unlawful. It is still lawful. So if anything, we're 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:57.000 telling folks not to succumb to their fear, but to 0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.320 keep exercising their leadership. And us ags have their and 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.440 the education context and the employment context, you name it. 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.560 We're also fighting for public schools and public education. The 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.799 three billion I mentioned, they tried to come for close 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.840 to two hundred million of funding for our public schools 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.120 here in Massachusetts, which would not have opened on time 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.880 and delivered educational services for our students and our educators 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.680 if we didn't follow that lawsuit. And we have another 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.520 lawsuit of course against the dismantling of the Department of Education, 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:29.040 so we'll continue that. But all to say, not only 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:30.920 do we need to keep punching above our weight in 0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:34.760 this moment, ags have I think the most impactful tool 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.560 to fight back because litigation in particular is what we 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:39.560 need to hold them accountable. 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:43.760 That's excellent. 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.920 I know we also have a question we'd like to 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.320 hear from our native lampire community. We have a question 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.160 on veterans and how they are being protected or not 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.640 so protected with the hands at the hands of Ice. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.560 Creating's native lampire. My name is April from that Lansa. 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.040 I absolutely love your podcast. I want to thank you 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:06.080 for your comments on Veterans Day. We definitely want to 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.040 praise our veterans and thank them for their service and 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.719 their sacrifice. I have several members in my family that 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.839 have service country. My question is, are you aware that 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.360 there are immigrant veterans that are currently sitting in detention 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.920 centers and are facing deportation. One of those people is 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.480 my loved one who signed up in the military, serve 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:30.520 this country, and in spite of that, is facing deportation 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:34.040 to his native country. It is not right, it is unjust, 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.239 and I would like to know your thoughts about it. 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.799 How can we bring greater awareness to these veterans that 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.920 could be facing deportation and are currently sitting in detention centers. 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:45.040 Thank you so very. 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.720 Much, Attorney General Campbell your thoughts. 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.120 First of all, thank you for lifting up that story, 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.120 because I think people often when we're talking about this work, 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.480 will refer to some spreadsheet and just numbers. These are 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.799 real people. These are Americans or folks who want to 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.799 be in this country because they love this country, and 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.799 in this case, obviously veterans. So in the context of 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:09.640 even the snap conversation this happened before Veterans Day, we 0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:11.839 had so many veterans that were reaching out to our 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.799 office because they were food and secure and grateful for 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.320 our lawsuit to protect access to food benefits for them, 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.160 a population that's often forgotten. We're doing a lot in 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.200 this space, including in the housing context and for folks 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.040 who are returning, in the mental health space, job and employment, 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.720 you name it. We have no partner at the federal 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:33.200 level whatsoever. When it comes to this work. In name, 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.560 they may say, oh, Happy Veterans Day, but in action 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.880 and substance, there're no way to be found. And the 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.160 fact that we have folks who are willing to die 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:43.960 for this country sitting in detention facilities is absolutely unconscionable 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:48.960 and ridiculous. And I'm not surprised the folks that they 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:53.080 would say they're detaining. They're saying they're criminals. It's nonsense. 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:55.359 We are not seeing that. If there are maybe one 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.759 person they pick up with the criminal record, when you 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:01.400 pull back, if they're able to obtain the information, it 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.840 is folks who have no criminal record, folks who are 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:08.040 actively seeking asylum, maybe they're veterans or folks who've had 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:12.000 cases dismissed, and so they're picking up folks who, for 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:15.680 whatever reason shouldn't be in detention. So what we're doing 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.800 is doing rapid response, making sure people have access to lawyers. 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.480 Were also helping with bond and making sure folks can 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.239 be released on bond while they go through some proceedings. 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:25.840 But the end of the day, I think it's a 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.960 reminder to everyone in this country. Our ags will keep 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.000 fighting the fight, but our tools at some point will 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:34.640 hit a wall. The trauma that folks are experiencing is real. 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.040 And if you don't like the immigration policy coming from 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:40.760 this White House, get typically engaged, get out and vote, 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:44.240 do your part. It's equally important and it's just as powerful. 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.319 Well, I love you. I'm thankful that you came by. 0:53:51.400 --> 0:54:00.320 Some of my met some of my friends. 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.120 You've also taken care of us. 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.520 Yeah, I'm I'm glad you went there because I actually 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.520 wanted you to end there, which is on I'm just 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:14.279 out of curiosity, wondering how you let your hair down? 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.239 What is relaxation for an attorney general who's at war 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:22.120 twenty four to seven? It seems on every side, what 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.319 does the calming down? Is it a reality show? Is 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:30.120 it some yoga? Is it it collar greens cooked Kamala 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:30.840 Harris style. 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.759 Well, I'm definitely looking forward to Thanksgiving for sure my 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:38.839 family because it would be all of that and then 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:42.840 some more. But it's running running around with my kids, 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:46.560 playing with them. It's starting my day in prayer even 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.080 before my kids wake up, before my husband wakes up, 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.799 and just centering my spirit and just realizing I'm not 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.040 doing this by myself, and I'm certainly not doing it 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.719 in my own strength. And it's also surrounding myself with 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:04.520 positive people, people who know that yes it's hard, but 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.600 rolling up their sleeves to say, well, what are we 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:09.080 going to do about it? Not accepting it right and 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.120 not lowering their expectations of what they should get from 0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:15.280 government or anything else. And so this space right here 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.600 does that for me. So just surrounding myself with folks 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.000 who pour into me and I'm grateful. Then I have 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.880 an incredible team. I work with folks who are dedicated 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.560 to public service and I'm inspired by them every single day. 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:26.680 Thank you. 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:34.120 I love that general. Thank you, and welcome home. You're welcome, y'all. 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.640 Make sure y'all write some checks, write some checks to 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.520 this ain't this job, and don't run off love and prayers. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:47.160 Champagne contributions, campaign contributions. I just want to make sure 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:48.120 we're not trump. 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.360 A new ballroom. 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.320 Right Andred campbelled up for a j Campbell m A 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:01.279 on social media. So thank you all for having me 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.400 stay blast happy, Thanks, happy holidays, Thank you. 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:07.839 So much, thank you so much. 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:16.600 Nobody knows. 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:20.960 Yeah, very happy that that she was able to join. 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:22.120 That was a really good conversation. 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.800 I love that she punctuated the point of how important 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.919 attorneys general are across this country because I keep saying 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.719 the courts will not hold. I know, you know, I 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:33.880 have two lawyers on the show, but I just I 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.160 don't have a lot of faith in the Justice Department. 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:37.640 And right now that seems to be who's on the 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:41.080 front line, the judges and the attorneys general, and I 0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:42.560 just don't know how much they're going to hold. And 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:46.480 speaking to that, Angela, you dropped in our chat speaking 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:49.680 of the courts not holding. What federal prosecutors are trying 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.520 to do when it comes to Brehonna Taylor's convicted killer. 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:54.839 What is the latest there. 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.960 I just want to back into this a little different, 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.400 and it's because you know, when we have this conversation 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.080 and people say, you know, I'm choosing the lesser of 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.160 two evils, or both parties are just as bad, or 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:14.120 all of these things, there are pointed examples where we 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:19.320 can show people the stark distinction between two different parties 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:21.880 and the people that they put in place, and I 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.960 think this is one of them. I remember when Donald 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.480 Trump was elected the first time and Jeff Sessions was 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.680 Attorney general. I was calling it the Department of Injustice. 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:33.680 And we've seen just how far this department will go 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:39.560 to protect Donald Trump's friends, you know, people that have 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:44.040 protected him. We've seen Donald Trump abuse his pardon power. 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:48.800 We've seen the Pardon Office run by Ed Martin, an 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.680 attorney of Donald Trump's, abuse that office. And we're seeing 0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:57.280 the ways in which not only did they eliminate the 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.360 transparency database around police office officers who have had passed 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:07.520 issues around abuse, harm, harassment, even killing of different citizens 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.840 in various states and cities. 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:13.240 But now a case that our folks fought hard for. 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.600 When you think about the convergence of what happened in 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:18.560 the summer of twenty twenty with George Floyd, certainly that 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:22.240 was met with amaud Arbury and Breonna Taylor, and now 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.840 the thing that we fought for, the thing that her mother, 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:28.520 to Miika Palmer, cried for, which was to ensure that 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:31.480 her daughter eventually would receive some type of justice. I 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:34.560 wouldn't call thirty three months justice at all. But now 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:37.640 we have the Department of Injustice, led by Pam Bondi, 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:42.600 seeking to ensure that this man, detective and now I'm 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:49.000 friging his name is it Hankerson, Yes, when now we're 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.920 seeing them fight for him to be out of jail 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:56.000 while they await his appeal. And I'm saying this knowing 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.040 that Donald Trump is going after Tis James for a 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:02.320 mortgage fraud that does not in fact exist, going after 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.360 Adam Schiff and all the rest, all of his political enemies. 0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:10.040 But they will protect law enforcement who abuse the power 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:14.760 of the badge and kill us, willfully, abuse us, willfully, 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:17.640 and then seek for them to be out on bail 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:22.200 and then out of jail, altogether undermining what the Biden 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.640 Harris administration's Justice Department did. 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:29.200 So that's the law enforcement that was brutalized by the 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:34.200 January sisters, who who we are responsible for the death 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.480 of of folks who were standing in the Gafford democracy. 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.920 That falls in the category of the pardon power being abused, 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.120 given the fact that I started there. 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.440 Yeah, the pardon and then let's not even forget that 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.520 we just found out this week. You like that timing note, 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:50.960 don't you, Tiffany. We just found out this week that 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:56.800 the raggedy District attorney or United States attorney from the 0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:00.360 northern part of Virginia didn't even show the Grand the 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:05.120 second amended indictment for James Comey. They completely circumvented the 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:07.920 process to indict another one of their political enemies. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:09.360 This is. 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:16.320 Fascinating to me. It's fascinating to me, and it's hurtful 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:20.480 to me. And it's not surprising to me because on 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.120 the very bare minimum, I think we all started this 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:29.840 journey and quote unquote civil rights with a few fundamental 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:31.760 facts that we all held true, no matter if you 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:34.040 were the four of us, or you in Black Lives Matter, 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.440 you were just somebody randomly protesting or whatever. It was 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.080 the nexus that brought us all together for a lot 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.680 of those voices that people who watch our show have 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:46.280 been hearing for the past fifteen twenty years, is that one. 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:51.120 We understand that Breonna Taylor, We understand the Motte Aubrey, 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:54.080 We understand George Floyd, we understand. Everything that happened since 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:58.400 then is not justice. Justice is them being alive. Everything 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.120 that happened since then is may be a monocrum of accountability, 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.880 if that so, That's kind of first, and then we 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.320 realized how difficult it was even to get that accountability. 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.960 We realized that we had to move heaven and earth 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:14.640 to get that accountability, and only with a blink of 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.840 an eye, only with a vote or an election, does 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.840 all of that accountability roll back. And the last thing 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:23.480 is fundamentally all of us. I mean, I know, we 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.440 have our disagreements on whatever the particular issue is. You 1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:28.680 even have movements of black folk who were trying to 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:30.920 get to the same place that have disagreements on how 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.240 to get there, right, but all of us believe that 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:36.240 we're in this position because people do not give us 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:39.760 the benefit of our humanity. And Brianna Taylor is the 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:42.800 perfect part of that. She didn't get the benefit of 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.040 her humanity in life, and she damned sure not getting 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:49.520 it in death. And so the troublesome part is Brianna 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:53.640 is not even able to rest. That is the that's 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:54.560 the sad part of this. 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.560 I do think that it's important to also know to 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.880 this point around rest, the attorneys that work in the 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.800 Department of Justice have also reached a crossroads. There is 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:08.680 a peace in The New York Times this week a 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:11.720 deep dive where they interview more than sixty lawyers who 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:14.800 talked about leaving the Department of Justice. Hundreds we have 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.600 been fired, and thousands more have left the Department. At 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:21.760 least over a thousand have left because they can't defend 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:25.240 what this administration is doing, which is not upholding or 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:26.120 protecting the law. 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:28.400 Could I just add, while we're on this topic, that 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:31.160 there are so that our audience isn't surprise, and we're 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:34.960 not surprised, there are conversations and justice around what it 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:42.920 might mean to pardon Derek Chauvin of his murderous acts. 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:47.480 And the truth is is that I'm not even I'm 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:50.360 disgusted by it, but not even surprised that this is 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.560 part of the conversation. There is a wing that has 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:57.720 kept Donald Trump afloat, including in these latest polls that 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:02.840 overall have been pretty you know, disastrous for Donald Trump 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.440 of late a moment in time, of course. But but 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:09.840 the people who keep buoying him are these hardcore radical 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:14.280 right racists who he can do no wrong. Why because, 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:18.160 as you've already pointed out, Tiffany repeatedly, is that they 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:21.800 are in common cause around right white supremacy. And they 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:23.600 know at the end of the day, the beginning of 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.000 the day, through the evening and and you know, whatever 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:29.600 the hour, that Donald Trump is always going to stand 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:32.680 at the at the at the at the at the 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:38.560 goddamn gates like he's bull Connor at the doorway between 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:47.960 what's right, what's fair, what's equitable, what's qualified, and white supremacy. 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:50.280 And I don't mean to say that all those things 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:53.480 are opposite white supremacy. But if that's your if that's 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:56.000 your modus of operandi, if that's what you live and 1:03:56.120 --> 1:04:00.840 die to defend, then we can't make room for your qualifications, 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:04.960 your meritocracy. We can't make room for that when all 1:04:05.040 --> 1:04:08.160 I know is that you're motivated by making sure that 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:12.160 the supremacy that has foregone us four hundred plus years 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:15.480 is what follows for the next four hundred years. That's 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.280 what they're in defense of. So this I just want 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:21.000 to ready our community that there's probably gonna be a 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.680 lot more pain, a lot more hurt, a lot more 1:04:23.840 --> 1:04:27.680 rolling back of accountability, if we could say it, certainly 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:32.160 not justice, but the symbols of justice that we've gotten. 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:36.520 This officer fired into an apartment where he could. 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:40.320 Not see into it ten times blinds up. 1:04:41.080 --> 1:04:41.600 I mean, this is. 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:46.640 Against any protocol of any law enforcement official blindly shooting 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.280 into a space and he has no line of sight. 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:52.160 And this is the thing this is not just unique 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:56.160 to Breonna Taylor's case. Of course, Andrew just referenced George 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:59.800 Floyd as well, and Derek Shavin and the efforts that 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:03.560 are a largely based in white supremacy to get him 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:06.120 part and and we have a clip from Ben Shapiro 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:06.560 on that. 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:09.479 And there are a bunch of reasons why Derek Chauvin 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:12.040 should be parted. By the way, while in federal custody, 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:15.240 he was stabbed recently twenty one times by fellow inmates. 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:19.200 It's quite dangerous for him. The reason why we now 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.440 know all of this is because we know from jurors 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:23.520 that they were pressured, that they felt the pressure, that 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.320 they were scared to rule in favor of Derek Chauvin. 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:29.240 That we now know, and we could see it at 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.080 the time, the amount of public pressure that was brought 1:05:31.360 --> 1:05:34.440 in that particular case. The mayor of Minneapolis was signing 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.520 settlements with the family of George Floyd on behalf of 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.760 the city in the middle of the trial. The governor 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:41.200 of Minnesota at the time was, of course Tim Walls, 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:44.000 and Tim Walls was basically out there proclaiming the guilt 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:45.600 of Derek Chauvin. 1:05:46.480 --> 1:05:49.160 So let me just say this really quickly. I think 1:05:49.320 --> 1:05:52.560 Ben Shapiro is brilliant, right, I think that he is 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.720 just a brilliant, brilliant person who articulates his views. We 1:05:56.840 --> 1:06:00.840 disagree with them. Whatever. Now that was some bolls because 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:03.880 none of that is legally sound or justified. Right. There 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.160 was nothing in that which reaches the level to have 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:11.120 a conviction overturned, let alone a pardon like duror pressure one. 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.320 There's no evidence of that. There's no evidence that a 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:15.160 juror would have because you know what happens out there. 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:19.040 Every after every guilty plea, they actually or guilty verdict, 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:22.840 they pull every jurors and say, is this your Do 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:25.200 you want to pull the jury? Yes? Is this your verdict? 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:25.440 Yes? 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:26.560 Blah blah blah blah blah. 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:27.560 So that that is. 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:33.120 Settlements happened pre criminal case all the time, like this 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:36.040 is not anything. But I think it's necessary that we 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:39.480 hear somebody on the other side articulate their reasoning so 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:41.800 that then we can come in and stand on our 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:43.880 platform and be like, this is the reason why this 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:46.760 isn't true. Not rooted in emotion, not rooted and I 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:49.240 hate you you're on a but rooted in the fact that. No, 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:52.800 this just isn't legally sound. And the crazy part about 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:56.960 it is Andrew Gillum, it's not legally sound. And Donald 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:58.200 Trump still may do to shit. 1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:02.200 Yeah, absolutely likely will. 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:02.600 Yeah. 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:05.919 I just have a slight disagreement there, not a slight 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:07.880 a major disagreement there with Acari. I think if we're 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:10.680 calling Ben Shapiro brilliant, then our standard for brilliant is 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:11.240 very low. 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:16.440 That's his I don't mind calling people. I mean, I 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:18.480 think he's a very I think he's very smart, very 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:21.000 well read, very articulate. I mean, we can disagree with you, 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:24.880 we can disagree with people who we think are smart, disagree. 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:25.920 With people I think he's smart all the time. He 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:27.200 just doesn't fall into that category. 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:27.960 But I hear you. 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:29.760 If you think he's brilliant, I yield to the I 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:30.640 yield to your point. 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:35.000 But I think it's just he's in all our brilliant meetings, 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:36.520 you know. That's what I'm saying when we have our 1:07:36.520 --> 1:07:38.000 little meaning the brilliant people. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.800 No wonder, I'm not invited to that meeting, but I 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:43.600 do think that they mask a lot of policy and 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:46.000 white supremacy. And I want to switch gears here and 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:48.160 shift us to something that I want to talk about, 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.920 and that is in your neck of the woods, Bakari, 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.400 and in your neck of the woods, Andrew, there is 1:07:54.720 --> 1:07:57.880 a state law trying to be introduced. But in order 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:59.480 for us to talk about that, I want to take 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:03.360 us back to last year. We were in Philadelphia and 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:05.600 did a show leading up to the election, and we 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:08.640 had a wonderful question asked from a young man there 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.040 who's a member of Alpha Fay Alpha Fraternity Incorporated and 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:12.200 stood up and asked this question. 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:12.840 Take a listen. 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:15.120 Say your name and where you're from. Please. 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:15.720 Hi. 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:21.920 My name is Shauna Alaone. I'm a junior here at 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:30.080 Tembo University. As a African American man that have a disability, 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:36.800 I was told by a white teacher that college was 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:42.640 not for me. Here I am in college with a 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:52.360 high GPA. But but but what I don't understand. We 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:57.240 talked about the black boat, the black woman both the 1:08:57.439 --> 1:09:04.559 back LGBT two boat. What is amazing we're talkt about 1:09:05.640 --> 1:09:10.920 all that, but we don't talk about the black disable 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:17.320 boat and people like myself of Tiger or being treated 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:22.920 as psychic past says it. So if y'all can just 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:28.800 talk about what we need to do as a community 1:09:29.600 --> 1:09:35.000 to uplift the black disabled boat as well, so that 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:40.240 more people like myself can be a success story. 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:44.120 We got a lot of response from that question, and 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.200 I just shout out to him for standing up and 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:49.000 asking and challenging us to talk more about that. And 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.679 so ever since then, every week, I've wanted to revisit 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:55.160 that topic. But again, during the Trump administration, it's like 1:09:55.280 --> 1:09:58.960 trying to catch competti covering all the travesty. So while 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:01.400 we had time to, I just wanted to follow up 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:03.560 with that since there's a story in the news this 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.559 week that speaks directly to it. But first, black people 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:09.800 with disability are more likely to spend outside regular classroom. 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:14.080 Students are typically checked out of classrooms, They're more likely 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:16.600 to be placed in correctional facilities, and less likely to 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.479 have completed high school. And so he bucks all those trends. 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:22.839 There are more than three point six million black adults 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:27.120 who have a disability here in America, and students with 1:10:27.200 --> 1:10:32.080 these disabilities, as you see, are disproportionately discriminated against. And 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:37.000 the ADA the American Disabilities Act passed in nineteen ninety 1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:40.840 and that, just like every other civil rights in this 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:44.720 country past because of the work of black people. It 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:47.280 was more out of the Civil rights movement. People stayed 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:51.000 sit ins literally just copied the Civil rights movement to 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:53.200 get it. And there's intersectionality, of course, as we know 1:10:53.880 --> 1:10:58.760 with black folks in every underclass community, but certainly with 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:00.559 black folks in the American discs Abilities Act. 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:01.680 Why are we talking about this? 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:02.320 Uh? 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:04.880 Where are you going? Where are you going with this? 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:05.439 Yes? 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:06.000 If I can. 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:15.680 Why why this matters on a serious note is because 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:20.160 there is an effort underway in several red states, including 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:24.640 yours Bakari and yours Andrew, to allow pregnant women to 1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:30.320 use handicapped parking spaces. And that sounds like a noble 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:35.600 enough gesture. However, this is not what it appears to be. 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:40.200 This is an initiative from right wing extremists. I think 1:11:40.200 --> 1:11:43.040 we have to stop calling them conservatives. Right wing extremists 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:48.000 to encourage more women to have children. So a typical 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.880 tactic of right wing extremists is to pit one group 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:54.439 against the other. And so there are communities, including in 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:58.280 South Carolina and in Florida, who are filing a lawsuit 1:11:58.439 --> 1:12:01.360 to stop this. So instead of saying, let's provide parking 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.200 for pregnant women. They're saying, we're going to take away 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:08.840 these parking spots and make them accessible to pregnant women. Now, 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:12.439 this is in direct violation of the American Disabilities Act, 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:17.360 and pregnancy is not qualified as a disability. And nobody's 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:19.680 saying that that pregnant women should not be able to 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:23.400 have these parking spaces. But there is a huge ground swell. 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:26.559 And so because that gentlemen so bravely asked that question, 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:30.320 this is precisely the intersection of people who are black, 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:34.559 who have disabilities, who are voters, and where policy butts 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.400 upright against them. There was a testimony from a woman 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:41.280 in Tallahassee Andrew who was one of the outspoken opponents 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:43.599 of this bill. But this is a state law happening 1:12:43.600 --> 1:12:46.200 all across country across and I don't want people to 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:49.680 hear it and think, oh, this isn't a bad thing. No, 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:54.639 this is coming from white men, right wing extremists masking 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:58.640 this and policy, and it's rooted in turning America into Gilead. 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:00.880 And I thought this was some and really important to 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.280 raise to the viewers. But I get it's out of 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:05.200 interest to you, Bricari. 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:06.800 So that point. 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:09.000 Oh no, I was letting you finish, but I wanted 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.000 to say one thing. I had to clarify one point. 1:13:11.320 --> 1:13:14.880 If you are pregnant, yes, you do qualify for short 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:21.040 term disability. That's firm you and after you give birth 1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:23.519 there are a few weeks in which you qualify for 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.240 short term disability. The reason I bring that up, just 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:28.519 as a clarification of your point is you know the 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:31.440 people who don't take advantage of that short term disability, 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:36.400 often enough pregnant that are black. Right, So I do 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:39.920 want to and your point is so nuanced that I'm 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:42.360 going to sit my ignorant butt down on the side. 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:45.519 But I did want to make sure that I that 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:50.000 I did articulate the fact that, yes, the pregnant women 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:53.200 do qualify as being disabled. I think they should take 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:55.320 advantage of it. And I think that those pregnant women 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.599 should get parking spots. But that's about the same I'm 1:13:57.600 --> 1:13:57.840 going on. 1:13:58.000 --> 1:14:03.640 Any private businesses I've seen actually create parking spots for 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:04.880 women who are pregnant. 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.439 Yeah, I tell y'all. 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:10.040 Can I confess somebody quick? Can I confess something out 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:13.560 one time? So if you tell me you park, No, 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:17.800 it's worse than that what so like, I had to 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:20.320 get on the zoom one day and so I was 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:23.600 in the Fort Lauda Deal airport and I downloaded the 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:30.040 app so I could go in and use the the 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:36.800 the breastfeeding, you know, the little that I can think of. 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:39.519 The women need to feed their child. 1:14:39.800 --> 1:14:48.840 Man, But there carrying that burden with that might have 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:50.479 been the reason I had to wait in line with 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:53.200 y'all before they get into heaven. So I'm just happy. 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:55.760 Streak in here, man. 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:58.040 I downloaded that app so quick. They were like, aren't 1:14:58.040 --> 1:14:59.519 you for your zoom? And I said it there and 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:01.439 logged in. They were like, you got a beautiful background. 1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:02.000 It was all. 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:08.120 Scotty because I did want to just make that quick point. 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:10.679 That is a part of the lawsuit that they're saying 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:14.439 pregnant women can apply for a parking path for a 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:15.520 short term disability. 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:16.720 So thank you for pointing that out. 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:19.160 Well, let me tell you my wife couldn't get nowhere 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:23.680 carrying them to babies with her feet the way they 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:25.439 were in those last couple of weeks. But I will 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:28.000 say this, what you want us to do is to 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:31.280 look at this from I think the view of how 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:37.120 we expand, right, you don't have to absolutely then put 1:15:37.960 --> 1:15:42.280 certain communities against other communities, notwithstanding the correction, the legal, 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:46.400 important legal correction that you made, Bookar. This again is 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:49.040 first of all, bless the woman who wants to have 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:52.240 a child now to get a closer parking spot, because 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:55.719 I they're gonna have to try harder on the incentive side. 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:58.120 But I definitely know that that is part of the 1:15:58.200 --> 1:16:01.559 right wing extreme that this. You know, they're they're obsessed 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:05.280 by their replacement theory and they are terrified by the 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:09.040 low birth rates of of of of of white women, 1:16:10.200 --> 1:16:12.560 So surely you know they go down that track. But 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:14.439 I think we want to see this through the lens 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:19.720 of expansion rather than you know, contraction of support for 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:23.920 people who needed when they need correct and what we're 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:25.640 doing and what we're seeing many of these states is 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:28.360 the pitting against which is again what they do. 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:31.920 Well, and especially when you think about things from a 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:36.679 scarcity model. I think it's really important. You know, I'm 1:16:36.720 --> 1:16:41.160 grateful that you brought up Andrew the idea that or Bakari, 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:43.479 whichever one of you, you guys you know the same, 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:47.920 all black people are the same. But talked about the 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.920 fact that black women very rarely take advantage of this, 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:54.240 of this benefit, if we can call it that. But 1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:57.280 when I think about all the work that Kamala Harris 1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:59.880 and Lauren Underwood and other black women did in cong 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:03.360 or really trying to make sure that we bring black 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.040 maternal health to the forefront, and the many ways in 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:11.519 which our humanity is not seen carrying children in this 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:13.920 country in part because we did it for labor. 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:15.559 That is the history of this country. 1:17:15.600 --> 1:17:20.000 What I don't want to do is dehumanize us even 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:22.560 more when we do need this type of support. So 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:25.200 one thing that I think is important in just for 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:27.800 a moment, because I think it would behoove us not 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:31.559 to miss something that has been on the radar talking 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:33.880 about black pregnant women. There was a woman in Dallas, 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:37.160 there's a woman in Indiana who both were kicked out 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:40.560 of hospitals just recently. And I want to play the 1:17:40.600 --> 1:17:43.479 clip of the woman in Dallas who is clearly in 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:46.360 a disabled position, and as she is going through intake, 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:48.560 which she should have not had to do while she 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:51.959 was in active labor, she's sitting in a wheelchair, definitely 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:53.320 in a disabled position. 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:54.559 Can we row that clip. 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:57.080 Right now? 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:10.000 As at home, here's your. 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:12.160 Doctor laying is her doctor? 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:16.439 Are your patients like this? 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:17.599 Are just the black ones? 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:28.160 Is the tenth? I bet you y'all listen next time. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:33.879 When you found out you was delivering at this hospital, 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:36.439 your ass should have changed doctors. 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:40.839 I'm believable. 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:46.479 It's not. It's not, it's not even so, you know, 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:48.680 I think my story is kind of well known. You know, 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:50.920 Ellen almost died during childbirth, so I don't even want 1:18:50.960 --> 1:18:52.559 to go down that path. In fact, my number one 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:56.479 political issue is African American female mortality because that happens 1:18:56.600 --> 1:18:59.160 more than people know, of course, and the reason being 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.479 is because of our implicit bias we have in our 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:03.840 healthcare delivery system, and people like, what does that mean? 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:07.439 If any person ask you, does racism still exists the 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:09.920 number one example as it exists when black women are 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:13.800 giving childbirth, because it crosses over socioeconomic levels. It doesn't 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:16.000 matter if you're on Medicaid, it doesn't matter if you 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:20.439 are Serena Williams or Ellen Sellars. It can affect you equally, right, 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:24.559 And it's because in their studies that people inherently believe 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:28.640 that black women have a higher pain tolerance or that 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:31.559 they're more likely to fake the pain that they're going through. 1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:33.560 But Andrew, this is the point that I wanted to 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:37.680 make by laying that out. This is why black men 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:43.280 have a very very very important role in a woman's 1:19:43.880 --> 1:19:50.040 pregnancy and childbirth because many times, many times, in that room, 1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:55.040 you have to be your partners number one advocate, because 1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:59.679 oftentimes those individuals cannot speak up for themselves because they're 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:03.080 going going through that process. And unless you were there 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:08.160 yelling and screaming, kicking and shouting, cursing, threatening lawsuits, call 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.080 the police, doing everything necessary to protect the life of 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:14.679 the woman you love and the little people you ain't 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:19.200 even met yet, then sometimes, and too often, more often 1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:20.920 than not, those black women will die. 1:20:21.439 --> 1:20:24.840 And Bacari that I was listening to a NPR story 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:27.560 the other day, really right down these lines. One of 1:20:27.600 --> 1:20:32.080 the most effective ways of getting medical staff's attention during 1:20:32.240 --> 1:20:37.240 your partner's pregnancy and delivery is for a husband to 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:41.160 be the advocate. With one exception husbands of color. 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:43.240 That's because they want to take. 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:49.680 Chimes, who oftentimes call security. Security is then escorting the 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:54.599 husband every single place he goes. The message goes out 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:57.400 through the hospital staff that this is a problem man, 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:01.960 and I mean in the story, I was listening to 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:05.280 this immigrant not immigrant. I'm sorry he was of Latino 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:14.840 dissent father was arrested while his wife gave birth, complained 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:19.559 about the pain that she was experiencing, and nearly died, right, 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:25.320 I said during your comments, Bacary, thanks Charles Johnson, who 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:31.240 is the husband to Kira, and they have an organization, 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:32.120 he has a foundation. 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:36.519 What is it for care for life? 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:38.160 I believe it is I need to look at I 1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:42.120 need to four care of for moms and shows. He's 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:44.640 been a guest on our show. But Charles Johnson an 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:50.519 incredible advocate for just the most unspeakable tragedy. His wife 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:56.080 bled internally after a c section for ten straight hours. Right, people, 1:21:56.320 --> 1:22:00.560 she said something is not right, something's not right with me, 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:06.719 and dismissed again her pain not perceived as real pain 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:11.519 being manufactured of some sort. And then a life cuts short, 1:22:12.000 --> 1:22:15.040 a child who won't have his mom, a husband who 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:18.720 has lost his wife, all of it preventable. 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:19.280 Right. 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:22.439 So, I couldn't agree with you more that that we 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:27.040 husbands have to be there, but we have to systematically 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:31.840 demand better. There is no reason for black mortality rates 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:33.960 to be at the level that they are, and for 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:37.720 us to still be scrutinizing individual cases when we know 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:42.000 that that is only the case because of systematic racists, 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:48.920 not just policies, but practices and in practice, and hospitals 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:53.240 in healthcare systems all throughout the country everywhere, and lots 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:53.960 have to change. 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.439 I think the important thing here is I know we 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:00.559 have to wrap is that we don't keep pitying different 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:06.240 groups against each other. Pregnant women, black, white, Asian, whatever, 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:09.960 deserve to have access that is easy, deserve to have 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:13.479 a life that isn't making their pregnancies harder. And I 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:17.280 think that they can do that without taking away from 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:20.320 parking spaces that already exist. If they can make space 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:23.400 for electric cars, certainly they can make space for pregnant 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.720 women and so. But I do not think that it 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:28.720 is smart for us to pit these groups against each other. 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:31.640 And we should focus really hard on making sure that 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:35.080 it is easy to bear children and to be pregnant 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:36.880 in this country, and we should also make sure we're 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.599 protecting accessibility for other people. 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:42.360 We are not pitting them against each other. It's these 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:44.679 right wing extremists, And to your point, if they really 1:23:44.800 --> 1:23:47.360 gave a shit about pregnant women like you just gave 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.080 a testimony. Angela just talked about the work that I'm 1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:53.080 Vice President Harris did on this, Congressman Lauren Underwoock, Illinois 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:56.840 did on this. If they really cared about people bringing 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.559 life into this world, they would put their resources there, 1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:03.680 not into some BS legislation taking away. And so that 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:07.439 sets up a war between two communities who both, like 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:11.160 Angela made the point, deserve to have accessible parking spaces. 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:12.400 Sorry, but go ahead. 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:13.800 No. 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:16.799 I was just saying, thank you for introducing the subject, 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:18.880 and I like, I like this show. I mean, I 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:20.840 know I add a great deal of value. But the 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:23.200 way that you three, the way that you three are 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:25.760 able to take that topic and be able to I mean, 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.840 we extrapolated that with such death depth. I just I 1:24:28.880 --> 1:24:30.720 mean I oftentimes when we talk with our friends, we 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:33.479 don't ever just say thank you for the conversation and 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:34.080 thank you. 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:34.920 For adding to it. 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.800 That clip that we played with the pregnant woman, it's 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:42.559 hard to watch, but I'm happy that we were playing 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:46.799 it in full because hearing her screen, her guttural cries 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:49.280 and the way that that woman was talking, the way 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:58.760 the white nurse was talking to her, very dismissive, and 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:00.920 then see her she wasn't even listening. 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:05.120 I did see a post afterwards because she got fired, 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:07.760 and the nurse did acknowledge, and she said that there 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.439 are a lot of good nurses out there. Don't let 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:13.320 her behavior. She she had a I don't know what 1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:13.760 to call it. 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:17.519 It isn't just about her, it is a at the 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:22.560 rate as you know, it's systemic. 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.280 All right, Well, it's time for cause and action. So 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:25.920 let's get to that. 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:34.680 Who cares about truth? When the last morning's seen it? 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:37.120 All right? 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:39.439 Is that time in the show for calls to action? 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:41.479 And I'm going to kick us off because I let 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.519 Macari kick us off in the beginning, and so my 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:48.439 call to action, uh, this week is another selfish ask 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.479 of all of you. I want to know what y'all 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:55.680 are reading this holiday season. Every year in my book club, 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:57.759 we read a classic. So we're reading The Great Gatsby. 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:00.280 So drop me in comment and let me know y'all 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:03.679 are reading you and Trump. Yeah exactly. But I'm trying 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:05.160 to get back up to a book a week. And 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:06.880 I'm not like some of these people who are like 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:07.679 I don't read fiction. 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:10.200 I love fiction. So if y'all got good fiction, good 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:12.320 non fiction, whatever, let me know. 1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:18.720 So my CTA is also very personal. I have been 1:26:18.880 --> 1:26:22.879 dealing with my mother, who is currently in the hospital, 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:27.320 and one of the things that I'm understanding and being 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:28.960 baptized by fire by, is. 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:30.519 How ill prepared. 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:35.000 I feel like my generation is to deal with aging parents, 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.880 and so what I really want to do is a 1:26:38.000 --> 1:26:43.439 joint project with our Native Lampod community where we can 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:48.040 put together a shared memo of all the resources that 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:51.720 we need, making sure that our parents have wills and 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.719 trusts and that they're updated, making sure that our parents 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:57.519 have you know, power of attorney done. I had to 1:26:57.560 --> 1:26:59.600 call Medicare earlier for something and he was like, I 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:02.000 can't tell you about that. You're not authorized, right, Like 1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:05.519 all of these things that are small and they don't 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:07.320 take a lot of time, but when you have to 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:09.519 deal with the convergence of all of them at the 1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:12.479 same time, it's overwhelming. So I want to hear from 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:14.600 you all your stories, what you all have done to 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:18.120 succeed in this space, how you supported your parents. 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:19.120 Their adults. 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:21.200 They make their own decisions, but they need a little 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:23.320 more support, and they do not like being treated like 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.120 your grown kids. So if you got tips for that, 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:29.080 I'm a bossy child too, help assist out. I definitely 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:31.160 want to get this right and want my mom to 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:35.240 feel loved and supported and held with the dignity of 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.200 a queen, which she deserves. So I know y'all have 1:27:37.320 --> 1:27:40.280 probably been through that with your own parents. Andrew, I 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:42.120 know you're going through that with your mom too right now. 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:44.439 So whatever tips y'all have, please send them to meet 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:46.080 and Andrew. I'll make sure he reads them too. 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.560 Yeah, I appreciate that ask going on our behalf and 1:27:49.560 --> 1:27:51.080 I got to just give a shout out to my 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:55.160 sister the I'm glad my mama didn't stop at six children. 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:58.080 I'm glad she went for seven. The only girl of 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:02.280 the bunch, My baby sister, attorney counselor Monique Gillham, who 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:06.200 has been there every step of the way like I had, 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:08.800 was at a funeral this weekend and I just want 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:11.840 to speak about this issue of aging parents and our 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:15.320 lack of preparation for it. I want to lift in 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:19.840 prayer my good friend brother Alvin Benton, on the passing 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:24.400 of his mother. Gwendolyn Benton, an educator, was a personal 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:29.599 assistant I think too. Ceo, Uh, maybe it was. Coca 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:33.719 Colage was a principal elementary school principal, gave her life 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.519 and service to people. And one of the things that 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:40.760 Alvin said during the funeral as he was given reflections 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.719 on his mom and her her impact on his life, 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:47.000 he's a mama's boy, he says, I can confirm he's yeah, 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:53.120 he I do. But but in truth, Alvin said during 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.720 his reflections, to say a prayer for and check up 1:28:57.760 --> 1:29:01.200 on your strong friends. And I think about you, all 1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:03.840 the folks who I get to share this platform with, 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:06.080 and when I think about strong friends, the ones who 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:08.920 are always in the gap for other people. But it 1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:12.160 really resonated with me, and maybe I was in need, 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:16.439 maybe myself. I don't know strong people really ever do 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:21.000 the asking, But it made me think about the people 1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:24.479 in our lives who are always carrying, who are always doing, 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:27.320 who are always looking out. So I just want to 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:34.679 echo Alvin's Alvin's directive to check on your strong friends, 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.639 the ones who always checking on us and always doing, 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.840 and always going check in on them and just see 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:45.040 that they're okay. Like he said, they need a little sunshine, 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:51.519 a little rain drops to flourish as well. So shout 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:56.240 out to to Gwendolen Benton life. She lived two weeks 1:29:56.280 --> 1:30:02.719 prior to my cousin Michael Sam's who passes well. Men, brothers, 1:30:03.240 --> 1:30:05.760 check up on your health, but check in on your 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:07.800 on your strong friends. What you gotta be. 1:30:08.240 --> 1:30:10.040 Yeah, No, you're bridging a gap because you got to 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.519 raise your parents and you gotta raise your kids. And 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:14.560 so one of the things that I wanted to do 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:19.519 was just talk about whether or not it's Epstein that 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:21.519 we were talking about earlier, some of the things that 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:24.800 I've been kind of going through in my work day. 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:30.360 Be very mindful of your children. Be very mindful of 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:32.920 the things that your children are doing and that they're into. 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:36.160 My call to action is I have a young lady 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:40.800 who I represent, who her child was playing Fortnite and 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:45.479 she heard some things that were untoward being said on Fortnite, 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.599 and so she began to ask her daughter if anything 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:52.240 like that had ever happened to her. She's under the 1:30:52.280 --> 1:30:54.519 age of ten, and she began to tell her mother 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:58.400 how she was being sexually abused at after school program. 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:01.599 And so I just want as to while we're talking 1:31:01.640 --> 1:31:04.679 about the things we need to do for the adults 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:07.519 in our lives and our parents to also make sure 1:31:07.560 --> 1:31:10.320 that we're raising that level of awareness with the young 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:13.240 people that are around us, because this world is a 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:16.040 hell of fied place outside, and so just make sure 1:31:16.040 --> 1:31:17.599 that we're being mindful on both sides. 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:27.840 All right, we need to pick me up. Call tough stuff. 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:30.680 Yeah, no, I got my I gotta pick me up. 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:34.320 What I'm gonna do for Tiffany Cross's book club is 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:38.120 one of my co workers, Scott Jennings. His new book 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.240 just came out in time for Christmas, and I'm gonna 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:42.360 send it over to Tiffany. 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:47.720 Did somebody pick up against on the internet. Nobody want to. 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.439 Hear this, So I'm gonna get Cross. I'm gonna get 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:54.960 tif Cross Scott Jennings' new book for her book club, 1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:55.880 and y'all read it. 1:32:01.240 --> 1:32:04.120 Thank you the car I picked up what he puts. 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:06.240 Yeah, thank you. 1:32:06.840 --> 1:32:10.200 No, but seriously, I actually will take that book for that. 1:32:11.000 --> 1:32:14.960 I go away every winter with some friends of mine 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:17.800 in my book club, and sometimes we rent the house 1:32:17.840 --> 1:32:20.120 and we run out of firewood and we're always like, oh, 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:21.320 we need paper to burn. 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:22.360 That is. 1:32:24.600 --> 1:32:25.559 Good Scott, Scott. 1:32:25.600 --> 1:32:27.799 If they buy it, if they buy it, they buy it, Scott, 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:29.799 it don't matter what they buying. 1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:31.120 That they. 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:39.200 Sorry to this band anyway, She's not anyway. 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