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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of Ireheart Radio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with reisent Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all's Native Lampod Episode one,

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Speaker 1: O six and we are your co host. I'm Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Cross here with Angela Rai, Andrew Gillham and Bacari Sellery's

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Speaker 1: last on purpose.

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Speaker 2: No, no, this uh, it's been a bit week, so

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Speaker 2: I want to get right into it.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about today?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: I'm going first, since y'all like to call me out.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I believe in myself and I'm gonna use

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Speaker 4: my voice. I'm reclaiming my time, all right, MAXI No,

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about these Epstein files because it's

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Speaker 4: something interesting going on as we have this discussion, because

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Speaker 4: Republicans are conflating Democrats who are fundraising and Democrats who

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Speaker 4: are communicating with their constituents and the words of Representative

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Speaker 4: Plasquet and the individuals who are converting with him on

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Speaker 4: Epstein Island and had untoward. Did I pronounce that right? Andrew?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you got it, and you know you got two seconds?

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, And those who were those last.

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Speaker 5: Rich rich coming from me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, and exactly, thank you, and those individuals who

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Speaker 4: were doing that on those untoward or participating in that

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Speaker 4: in that untoward behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, they're not that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know what impact is going to

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Speaker 1: have this Epstein stuff on the Margarine.

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Speaker 2: So what'd you got? Angela?

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Speaker 6: I'm excited to talk to the Massachusetts Attorney General today,

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Speaker 6: Andrea Campbell, who will join us to talk about all

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Speaker 6: things we know that Snap was certainly up for grabs

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Speaker 6: in that war. Snap battle is just getting started along

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Speaker 6: with DEI and all of the many accomplishments he has,

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Speaker 6: including suing Donald Trump several times, with lots of other things.

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Speaker 2: With that, Andrew, what you got?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to choose, but I think I'm

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Speaker 5: going to camp out in the area of I actually don't.

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Speaker 2: Know what was he go stay tuned for into surprise topic.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of newer questions to get to.

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Speaker 4: That's why he likes That's why he liked to go

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Speaker 4: first a second because it.

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Speaker 5: Is still the first.

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Speaker 6: It's like, I don't watch.

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Speaker 1: They don't know nothing about that to be continued when

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Speaker 1: you have to wait a whole week, so to be

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Speaker 1: continued to see what Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Wants to talk about Well, we've been a lot of

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Speaker 2: newer questions, so we're going to get to those.

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Speaker 1: Something I want to get into is a new law

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Speaker 1: popping up in a lot of Red states to allow

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Speaker 1: pregnant women the ability to park in handicapped spaces, which

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Speaker 1: sounds like may not be a bad thing, right, I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To say why I got a problem with that.

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Speaker 5: So we're going to get into that and more tif Tiff.

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Speaker 5: It's come to me and it is a serious topic.

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Speaker 5: So I regret that I didn't recall it initially. But

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Speaker 5: we're going to talk about this Trump administration again. This

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Speaker 5: Justice Department, the arm of the of the Trump White House,

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Speaker 5: who is seeking to have the killer of Breonna Taylor,

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Speaker 5: one of the killers who was found guilty. I believe

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Speaker 5: after the third trial, their effort to roll back his

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Speaker 5: sentence more on that than the Trump.

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Speaker 1: All right, just get into all of that on this

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Speaker 1: episode of Native Land. Let's jump right into it right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Becry, since you went first, we'll go with your

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Speaker 1: topic first. I definitely want to get into the whole

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Speaker 1: Trump Epstein files, because it was a lot happening this

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Speaker 1: week on Capitol Hill, the House and the Senate voted

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Speaker 1: almost unanimously. There was one vote, I believe in the House, Angela,

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Speaker 1: is that correct. Yeah, in the House, one person voted

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Speaker 1: against releasing the files.

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Speaker 2: But there is a vote. We will see.

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Speaker 1: At the time of this recording, we don't know Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has signed this bill into law to release the file,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. But I'm sorry I did it again, Bakari.

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Speaker 5: He got more head.

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Speaker 4: I got a good head that.

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Speaker 7: Was making his wife fuzzy because his WiFi fuzzy. Again.

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Speaker 7: I thought it'd be better when he finally went.

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Speaker 2: Home find it could be clear.

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Speaker 7: I still don't mind calling it out because it's fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about the challenge with the how how

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Speaker 1: people are perceiving this. I have a lot of thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this, but I want to let you leave the

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Speaker 1: discussion because I I don't think this is going to

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Speaker 1: matter at all, But I want you to lay it

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. So I think

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Speaker 4: that this is the only thing that separates MAGA from Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think that you're seeing the far right because Trump

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Speaker 4: is the first person. Let's set the historical context. Trump

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Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen was the first person to put Epstein

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Speaker 4: files on the radar when he was running against Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 4: when Hillary Clinton was the front runner for the Democratic nominee,

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Speaker 4: when he wanted to lump Bill Clinton in with Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Epps and everyone else. He made this the issue d

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Speaker 4: jure and they built so many conspiracy theories just off

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Speaker 4: pedophilia in the left. I don't know if you recall,

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Speaker 4: but allegedly Democrats were molesting children and some pizzeria in

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Speaker 4: Washington in Washington, DC, right, and so this was the

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Speaker 4: underbellion undercurrent for a lot of MAGA. Even earlier this year,

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Speaker 4: you had GOP influencers coming out of the White House

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Speaker 4: with trapper keepers talking about we got the first set

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Speaker 4: of the Epstein files, and low and behold they had nothing.

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Speaker 4: Or you had Pam Bondi who said I had the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files on my desk and lo and behold she

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Speaker 4: had nothing. And so maybe, well maybe I believe that

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Speaker 4: the I believe that this is a it's a through

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Speaker 4: line here. And the first thing is I believe that

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Speaker 4: this is the only thing that the far right or

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Speaker 4: MAGA base turns against Donald Trump on. Now how long

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Speaker 4: standing that is, I'm not sure, but you're already seeing

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Speaker 4: that fracturing with people like Nancy Mace, Thomas Massey, and

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Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor, Nancy Mason, Marjorie Taylor Green being the cheerleaders

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Speaker 4: they go to Congress, right, And so that's first. The

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Speaker 4: second thing is that Bill actually gave Pam Bondi in

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice a lot of opportunity to go

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Speaker 4: in and scrub the list for things they don't like,

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Speaker 4: for names they don't like, for individuals they don't like,

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Speaker 4: for witnesses they don't like. So that gives me some

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Speaker 4: but not least, I think that it's very weird. And

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Speaker 4: this is this is somewhat of a reach, Tiffany, and

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Speaker 4: this is why you're the journalist, and you're gonna be like,

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Speaker 4: I'm making a journalistic reach. But I do think you

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Speaker 4: can have a conversation about Andrew Tate and the interference

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Speaker 4: of the Department of Justice with Andrew Tate, who is

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Speaker 4: himself a certified tax you know, a toxic man who

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Speaker 4: is a misogynist, who is under investigation for sexual trafficking,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and the interference from

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Speaker 4: just think that there is an underbelly of toxic toxicity

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Speaker 4: that deals with the lack of caring for young people

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Speaker 4: women that we have to discuss this emanating from the right,

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Speaker 4: And I think that there's a through line that still

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Speaker 4: trumps and that may be, that may be, that may

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Speaker 4: that may be a leap.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, for my clarification and for the audience,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is Trump's role and Andrew.

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Speaker 4: T so So when so one when Andrew Tate, who

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Speaker 4: in what they call the manosphere, which is where unfortunately

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Speaker 4: a lot of men, even I was talking to some

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Speaker 4: of my nephews, but young black men, actually ascribed to

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Speaker 4: his podcast as words He's literally beat women on campus,

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Speaker 4: He's allegedly held them as slaves, he's trafficked them, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: He was under investigation in Romania. As soon as Donald

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Speaker 4: flight to Florida and they confiscated Yeah, they confiscated his

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Speaker 4: phones on the plane. And the young gentleman I pronounced

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Speaker 4: his last name wrong all the time, who was up

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Speaker 4: and political ran the story exposing his Nazi tweets. Made

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Speaker 4: a phone call to the border agents to give the

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Speaker 4: Tape Brothers back their devices after they were seized at

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Speaker 4: the border, something that had never been done before. It

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Speaker 4: had a very chilling effect. They interfered on behalf and

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Speaker 4: Pro Publica has written an amazing piece about it. But

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Speaker 4: they interfered on behalf of people who are under investigation

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Speaker 4: for sex trafficking, which by the way, sounds eerily like

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it ties into this whole

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Speaker 4: Who was protecting these people Paul and Gracia if I

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Speaker 4: pronounced it right, and Gracia and Gracia. But he is

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Speaker 4: someone right now who works and got a job without

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Speaker 4: So I think it all ties in together. There's a

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Speaker 4: just those things have been bothering me, and Epstein has

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Speaker 4: been bothering my core for a while.

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Speaker 1: Angela, I muted because I'm I hear the comments all

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Speaker 1: the times. Please stop talking over each other. But I

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Speaker 1: hear everything Makari said, and I want to bring us

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Speaker 1: back to Epstein unless you had something on this, but

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Speaker 1: something that was really frustrating me. We were in our

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Speaker 1: again this week Republican members of Congress totally railroaded interviews.

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Speaker 1: Anytime they were asked about, you know, Trump and Epstein,

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Speaker 1: they would deflect. And one person that kept deflecting to

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Speaker 1: was Congress froman Stacey Plasket. So I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I'll go back on mute.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think to stay I ask I'm sorry, no, no, Angela,

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Speaker 5: if you're going there or if you I wouldn't sure

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Speaker 5: if you're making comments on Bacari Pacar's introduction or Plasket.

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Speaker 7: I was about to talk about Stacey Blasket, So go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Okay, before you transition there, if I could just Tiffany,

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Speaker 5: you raised some doubt as to whether or not you

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Speaker 5: think there's some lasting impact to what's occurred this week,

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Speaker 5: and frankly, the build up and all the Republican fumbling

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Speaker 5: around this issue pretty basic to me that when you're

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Speaker 5: dealing with child's sex trafficking, that there's no partisanship to that. Right.

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Speaker 5: Everybody ought to be pretty clear that we are against

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Speaker 5: people who traffic children. But now they've begun to split

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Speaker 5: hairs on the right, basically saying a fourteen year old

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Speaker 5: age of eighteen and give consent legal consent for the

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Speaker 5: business of sex. It just and some people have a

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Speaker 5: harder line, like where Angela, you know, affiliates church wise,

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Speaker 5: I was coaching two at one point. You know, we

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Speaker 5: take harder lines around this thing. It's not just what

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Speaker 5: ethically and so on and so forth. But but but

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Speaker 5: I would say they've majorly fumbled the ball here, mostly

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Speaker 5: the individual lives that are at stake and that have

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Speaker 6: We have no idea who is all in it, like

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Speaker 7: But the reality of it is, there are a lot.

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Speaker 6: Fine for us to allow them to be single issue voters,

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Speaker 6: but for them it's not. I wish that Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: never set foot in the White House. He is an

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Speaker 6: embarrassment to this country. And yet, and still I understand

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Speaker 6: how someone could say, well, this person is finally saying

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Speaker 6: after decades that they are going to bring us justice

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Speaker 6: on this issue where I felt unseen and unheard. I

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Speaker 6: would hate to be in that position, But I can

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Speaker 6: understand it. As sick as it is, I can understand it,

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Speaker 6: I really can. And what I think is really unfortunate

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Speaker 6: here is on the day of the vote, the Senate

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Speaker 6: says that the Senate said that they would do you

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Speaker 6: see a unanimous concept vote, so they don't even have

447
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Speaker 6: to be recorded for whatever reason you see happen. Bill

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Speaker 6: is on the President's desk at the time we record

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Speaker 6: this podcast, still not signed it to the law into

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Speaker 6: law at the time we record this podcast.

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Speaker 7: But the reality of it is they still made it.

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Speaker 6: A game because on the House floor Tuesday night, instead

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Speaker 6: of focusing on keeping the main thing, the main thing

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Speaker 6: for Epstein survivors, they turned their ire towards Delegate Stacey Plaskett,

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Speaker 6: who is a non voting member on the floor and

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Speaker 6: censured her.

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Speaker 7: Sought to censure her. The vote failed. But I do

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Speaker 7: want to play this clip since we're talking about felons.

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Speaker 9: You don't want to talk about what is really happening here.

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Speaker 9: Your a tax on working families, your protection of powerful

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Speaker 9: predators and corporate criminals. You want to talk about texting,

462
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Speaker 9: texting felons. How often do you text President Donald J. Trump?

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Speaker 9: That's the individual we should be concerned about.

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Speaker 5: I loves behind her with absolute.

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Speaker 6: The Congressional Black Caucus, chaired by Evatt Clark, made a

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Speaker 6: statement in support of Stacy Plaskett. And of course this

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Speaker 6: is regarding the hearing where Michael Cohen testified before Congress

468
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Speaker 6: last year and in that hearing, Stacey Plaskett uh was

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Speaker 6: texting with Jeffrey Epstein. She they they made the allegation

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Speaker 6: that he prepped her to question the witness before the hearing,

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Speaker 6: that he was feeding her questions. This is a career

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Speaker 6: long prosecutor. She didn't need any help from Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 6: and yet instilled. The issue remains, why is he even

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Speaker 6: in your phone? We have to be able to hold

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Speaker 6: both truths.

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Speaker 7: Should she be centured for it?

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Speaker 6: No, because he was texting and email and talking to

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Speaker 6: a whole lot more than just Stacy Plasket. But we

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Speaker 6: have to acknowledge what people are battling in this moment

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Speaker 6: where we're dealing with proximity to power, abuses of power,

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Speaker 6: someone who is trying to undermine and dismantle frankly democracy.

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Speaker 7: People want real answers about the way.

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Speaker 6: That the He'll moves, the way that politicians move, and

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Speaker 6: what needs to change. And I think it is an

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Speaker 6: invitation for all of us to figure out what needs

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Speaker 6: to shift so that we can do right by the

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Speaker 6: American people at all time, regardless of our proximity to power.

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Speaker 4: Can I throw in one little random fact since we're here, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I found to be a

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Speaker 4: great deal ironic throughout this whole thing, and going through

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Speaker 4: some of the people who are able to kind of

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Speaker 4: code the emails for us, is there was one email

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Speaker 4: the Tiffany's point a little earlier. We were talking about

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Speaker 4: just the systems of power and the Clintons and things

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Speaker 4: that happened, but there was one email that actually stated

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Speaker 4: that Bill Clinton had never actually been on Epstein Island

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Speaker 4: throughout all this entire kind of and this goes back

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Speaker 4: to your point, Andrew, we have more questions than answers,

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Speaker 4: and it should not be that case when you have

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Speaker 4: young women and we know that we're victimized, and I mean,

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Speaker 4: I yeah, I mean, let's be very clear and intentional

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Speaker 4: about our language. Young girls who were victimized, and still

503
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Speaker 4: yet and still to this day, we're talking about someone

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Speaker 4: who's sentence and I do criminal law a lot, somebody

505
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Speaker 4: who's sentenced for the crimes in which he pled guilty,

506
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Speaker 4: allowed him free reign to come and go to the

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Speaker 4: jail as he pleased, and that person ended up becoming

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Speaker 4: the Labor Secretary of the United States, And it just

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Speaker 4: it kind of goes to show the person who was

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Speaker 4: up again. Yeah, so it goes to show you that

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Speaker 4: some of the things we held to be true may

512
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Speaker 4: not be and some of the questions that we that

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Speaker 4: we've had in our heart for a long period of time.

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Speaker 4: And this is the I said this before. This is

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Speaker 4: the fascination of Donald Trump that I have. We talked

516
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Speaker 4: about it last week when we when we talked about

517
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Speaker 4: him speaking for poor people and shitting on a golden toilet,

518
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Speaker 4: but poor people believing that he spoke for them. Well,

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Speaker 4: in this particular case, the kind of Tiffany's point and

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Speaker 4: Angela's point to put a bow on it, there are

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Speaker 4: women in this country, particularly those victimized by Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 4: that felt like Donald Trump is the only one who

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Speaker 4: spoke for them. And for me, I don't know how

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Speaker 4: people go through there. I don't. I can't sit here

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Speaker 4: with the audacity to say I know what it's like

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Speaker 4: to go through that particular healing journey. But I refuse

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Speaker 4: to be like them. So I'm gonna give them that

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Speaker 4: space to do what's necessary.

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Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts on that, but I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was a deciding factor for

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Speaker 1: those particular set of women. But we talked about this

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Speaker 1: last week. We had our disagreement on this last week,

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Speaker 1: Bakari and Andrew, we were on opposite sides because I

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Speaker 1: think the system of white supremacy was always the.

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Speaker 2: Top thing for for them.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to reckon to reconcile that you

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Speaker 1: vote for an ACUS sex offender because he's the person

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Speaker 1: who's going to.

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Speaker 2: Speak for you.

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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of other factors that

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Speaker 1: contributed to that. But I hear you, I hear you.

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Speaker 1: The chief stands alone, and I think all three of

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Speaker 1: y'all probably disagree with No.

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Speaker 5: It could it could be.

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Speaker 4: You could be.

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Speaker 5: Right that they're both true. A matter of priority though

547
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Speaker 5: right now was first and foremost of these women was

548
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Speaker 5: there was a candidate running for president who, regardless of

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Speaker 5: his motivations, because we know they were maniacal, he was

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Speaker 5: trying to do an in run around. But regardless of

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Speaker 5: his motivations, there was the candidate for president who was

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Speaker 5: saying that this kind of behavior is unacceptable and we're

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Speaker 5: going to unearth all of it. Lo and behold, he

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Speaker 5: is the damn thought right.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, we're going to see I mean, they're saying categories

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Speaker 1: are going to be blacked out obviously information about the

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Speaker 1: victims and explicit details about the actual abuse. But here's

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Speaker 1: where I'm my Spidey sense, because they're saying information that

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Speaker 1: is properly classified to protect national security. And I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: who are the people who's going to determine what is

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Speaker 1: national security what we can't see. I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: some of these folks are going to be Trump acolytes

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Speaker 1: and have a political interest in protecting people in these files.

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Speaker 4: Or have direct complement or or the other thing, which

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Speaker 4: is something which is going to catch a wide swath

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Speaker 4: of this information as he's going to as he already

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Speaker 4: did say that he wanted to put other people under investigation,

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Speaker 4: and you cannot disclose information. Oh can I say something

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Speaker 4: real quick here?

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Speaker 9: Ye?

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Speaker 4: All right? This goes out to our Tiffany and Angela's

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Speaker 4: good friend, Steven A. Smith. So there were a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who question why Democrats did not release the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files when Joe Biden was president. I need to

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Speaker 4: remind people that Julane Maxwell was not convicted until twoenty

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Speaker 4: and twenty one, and she was still undergoing her appeals process,

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Speaker 4: which means that those records could not be opened. While

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Speaker 4: you're going through that judicial process. And furthermore, there were

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Speaker 4: still people who were the targets, not official FBI targets,

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Speaker 4: but targets of the Epstein investigation, and you dare not

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Speaker 4: release information while those investigations are ongoing. And so there

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Speaker 4: was this conversation that happened kind of around the water cooler. Well,

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Speaker 4: Democrats didn't care. They should have released it when Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden was president, and I just wanted to fact check

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Speaker 4: that while we had the microphone.

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Speaker 5: But moreover, we actually believe in the system of justice

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Speaker 5: where the executive does not direct the work of the

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Speaker 5: Department of Justice, and you had a Department of Justice

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Speaker 5: who was set aside doing its own thing. But moreover,

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Speaker 5: we didn't choose this issue to weaponize, to use as

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Speaker 5: a cudgel over Democrats, to make it a political issue

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Speaker 5: that will cause voters to vote one way or another.

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Speaker 5: That's not how this issue was treated by Democrats. But

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Speaker 5: I'm over the partisan because I think this is going

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Speaker 5: to be one of those areas that is going to

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Speaker 5: cross it if done properly, and I don't have full confidence,

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Speaker 5: actually I don't have half confidence that properly is going

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Speaker 5: to be in the factor here. But if let's say

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Speaker 5: a future president comes along who's interested in real justice here,

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Speaker 5: perhaps they will make sure that nobody slips through the

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Speaker 5: skill that we are able to hold not just the individuals,

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Speaker 5: but the systems that allowed it to take place under

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Speaker 5: the cover of every clandestine organization in this country, be

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Speaker 5: it the CIA, the FBI. Again, we're talking about international

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Speaker 5: trade of girl.

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Speaker 6: I guess the thing that I just would say, and

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that you were directing this response to me,

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Speaker 6: but I just want to clarify I'm not talking about

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Speaker 6: the release of the files when I say that these

610
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Speaker 6: women waited for decades for justice. They just wanted Jeffrey

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Speaker 6: Epstein to be held accountable.

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Speaker 7: Files released or.

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Speaker 6: Not about Yes, I'm just clarifying for the listener, that's

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Speaker 6: not what I'm saying. I'm saying it wasn't that they've

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Speaker 6: been pleading for the files to be released. They were

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Speaker 6: pleading for this man, the people who you know, rape, harassed,

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Speaker 6: abuse them, to be held accountable.

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Speaker 7: And they had not seen that.

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Speaker 6: And finally it looked like, you know, especially when you're

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Speaker 6: in pain, you're in trauma, it looks like, oh, there's

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Speaker 6: someone that's going to do this, not thinking that it

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Speaker 6: is again a polittle football for them, so they're thinking like,

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Speaker 6: oh my Hope is finally in something, and then you

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Speaker 6: know whatever.

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Speaker 5: Well, the biggest loser goes to Speaker of the House

626
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Speaker 5: period enough.

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Speaker 7: Said, oh, I know he should have played that clip.

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Speaker 5: Completely responsible next to next to next to President Trump

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Speaker 5: for their there being making it necessary for a vote

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Speaker 5: to have been having been taken.

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Speaker 6: No, making it necessary for a motion to discharge to

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Speaker 6: have to happen, bring it to the floor, even went

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Speaker 6: on recess, they went off the house floor.

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Speaker 7: Wouldn't do any house business during this shut down.

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Speaker 5: Not six weeks.

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Speaker 7: I'm not touching this.

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Speaker 4: And he wouldn't even he wouldn't even seet the person

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Speaker 4: who was the vote for the discharge.

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Speaker 7: Petition, Rob Gave's daughter.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So let me just also say something that's gonna

641
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Speaker 4: make since we all just jumped Tiffany Cross, something that's

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Speaker 4: gonna make her feel better. I want to give a

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Speaker 4: shot out. I want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 4: Julie Brown from the Miami Hero because without local journalism,

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Speaker 4: which is why I always tell folks, you know, you

646
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Speaker 4: got to support local journalism, you got to support true journalism.

647
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Speaker 4: You got to support independent journalism when it's there. You know,

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein's story, it wouldn't be something that came to

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Speaker 4: the forefront, It wouldn't have risen to that level because

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Speaker 4: it was because of these It was because of these

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Speaker 4: local journalists who decided to listen to the voices of

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Speaker 4: these girls, who gave a voice to the voice lesson.

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Speaker 4: So as we're talking about the white we've talked about

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Speaker 4: every angle of this story. I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 4: we didn't overlook Julie Brown from the Miami Herald, who

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Speaker 4: was one of the many but at the forefront of

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Speaker 4: making sure that this story actually saw what do they say,

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Speaker 4: They say sunshine is the best disinfectant, and she was

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Speaker 4: able to provide a little sunshine to the Jeffrey Epstein story.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, I think really important point.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, certainly we'll probably revisit this conversation a

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Speaker 1: few times, but we do have a guest coming up,

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Speaker 1: So let's shift gears to that. M all right, joining

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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod. Now is the Masssachusetts Massissachusetts?

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Speaker 6: Okay, he said, you're thinking about Mississippi.

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Speaker 9: Letter.

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Speaker 5: The general is going to be obliged to have to

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Speaker 5: correct you, right, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: That is how you don't introduce the guess. I was

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Speaker 2: doing that for your benefits, so.

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Speaker 1: I know how to introduce a guess and how not

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Speaker 1: to around here on these n O P streets.

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Speaker 7: Now that's gonna be a T shirt now to.

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Speaker 2: Now let's really get into it, you guys.

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Speaker 7: Uh any who joining Native.

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Speaker 1: Lampard now is Theuse's Attorney General, Andrea Joy Campbell. She

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Speaker 1: has served as the Commonwealth's forty fifth Attorney General since

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. She's a member of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: and before that, she was a member of the Boston

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Speaker 1: City Council. Madam Age, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We're very pleased to have you. Welcome home, as we

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Speaker 1: say around.

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Speaker 5: Here, welcome home.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I know you're super busy, so I'm gonna kick us

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Speaker 1: off with the question. All my colleagues have a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions. I'll be quick with my questions. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the heavy things that's big on our minds

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Speaker 1: right now. We're seeing what's happening this week with Ice

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Speaker 1: in Charlotte and our co host Bakari's neck of the Woods,

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Speaker 1: and you've been on the forefront fighting the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: on a lot of this. You seem to be at

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Speaker 1: odds with the US State's Attorney there in Massachusetts. I've

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Speaker 1: seen you guys had a few moments of back and

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Speaker 1: forth over what's happening there. But one thing that you've

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Speaker 1: really been out front on EPs holders Temporary protected status Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: which I was not aware has one of the highest

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Speaker 1: Haitian populations in Massachusetts. Yeah, I didn't know that, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: outside of Florida, and you have been really out front

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Speaker 1: with protecting that that community of Haitians and Venezuelan's even

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Speaker 1: going as far as joining a lawsuit against the federal

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Speaker 1: government who's essentially going after what we call sanctuary cities

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Speaker 1: where you know, people are allowed to live freely and

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Speaker 1: not being disappeared off the streets, but they're holding hostage

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Speaker 1: funding basically trying to punish some of these cities. Can

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Speaker 1: you let us know what is the latest in that

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Speaker 1: particular fight and where that stands, particularly as we see

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Speaker 1: what's happening in other cities across the country.

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Speaker 10: We are doing a lot to protect immigrants and frankly,

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Speaker 10: to push back on a cruel immigration policy that we're

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Speaker 10: seeing not just in Massachusetts, but as you said, across

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Speaker 10: the country. And they would have Folks think that the

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Speaker 10: immigration policy is about promoting public safety, it is exact opposite.

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Speaker 10: It is about perpetuating fear in our communities. It's also

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Speaker 10: not only perpetuating fear, those who might come forward to

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Speaker 10: report a crime are less likely to do so. It's

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Speaker 10: absolutely undermining the trust between law enforcement and communities that

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Speaker 10: have been built over decades and having just the opposite effect.

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Speaker 10: And I will just say, with no transparency and very

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Speaker 10: little accountability for the agregious tactics that ICE is using

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Speaker 10: in our communities, if I had my state police conducting

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Speaker 10: operations as ICE is right now, there would be transparency, accountability.

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Speaker 10: I would be called to every agency to speak up

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Speaker 10: for their tactics. And here you have no accountability whatsoever.

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Speaker 10: So we're doing our part to push back, doing a

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Speaker 10: lot of know your rights training, filing a lot of litigation.

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Speaker 10: We've filed several litigation efforts, I should say, on protecting

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Speaker 10: stif including TPS for Venezuelan Haitians. We have a large

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Speaker 10: Haitian population here in Massachusetts, and so much so that

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Speaker 10: if we were to deport every Haitian in Massachusetts, our

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Speaker 10: elder care system, our PCA care system, our healthcare system

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Speaker 10: would come crumbling down. And so there are real economic

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Speaker 10: consequences in addition to that cultural contributions, of course, and frankly,

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Speaker 10: we're making a crystal clear that these policies do nothing

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Speaker 10: to promote the well being of our citizens, do nothing

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Speaker 10: to bring about economic prosperity, and absolutely nothing to address

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Speaker 10: the cost of living crisis that we're seeing in Massachusetts

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Speaker 10: and in this country.

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Speaker 5: That's right, General, I am coming from Florida, having been

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Speaker 5: born and raised in Miami. I actually one of the

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Speaker 5: key stops that I made when I was running for

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Speaker 5: governor of Florida was to Massachusetts to get rack up

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Speaker 5: some endorsements of some of the Haitian leaders in your state.

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Speaker 5: Oddly enough, General, you have the distinction of being only

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Speaker 5: the second africa An American elected statewide UH in Massachusetts

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Speaker 5: behind UH Edward W. Brooks, who I knew through my

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Speaker 5: former boss who was his chief of staff for a

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Speaker 5: number of years. When when when Edward W. Brooks was

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Speaker 5: in in the United States Senate, I am curious to

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Speaker 5: know whether or not the legal maneuverings of this current

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Speaker 5: administration in Washington, d C. Very specifically the U. S.

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Speaker 5: Attorney General's Office has in their targeting of your fellow

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Speaker 5: Attorney General, Leticia James of New York State.

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Speaker 4: If that.

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Speaker 5: Targeted, very cruel, unsubstantiated attack on her has caused or

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Speaker 5: created any kind of a chilling effect amongst your fellow

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Speaker 5: attorney general's attorneys general across the country. You all have

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Speaker 5: been on the front lines. In fact, when we couldn't

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Speaker 5: look around anywhere DC or any other community around the

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Speaker 5: state and find front line, the attorney's generals were out

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Speaker 5: there holding this administration accountable and standing on the side

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Speaker 5: of law and justice. But I am curious to know

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Speaker 5: whether or not you all have experienced any kind of

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Speaker 5: a chilling effect or what concerns it causes you to

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Speaker 5: see this administration personally go after defenders of democracy and

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Speaker 5: of law and of justice such as yourselves as Attorney's general.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate the question, and I stand on his shoulders

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Speaker 10: as well as Duval Patrick's right folks who came ahead

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Speaker 10: of me in Massachusetts who paved the way, and I

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Speaker 10: used to be an attorney for Governor Patricks, so we're

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Speaker 10: quite close in fighting the fight, and I will tell

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Speaker 10: you I am inspired by them and all the other

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Speaker 10: unnamed black folks that I stand on their shoulders, especially

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Speaker 10: black women. I was recently in Montgomery, Alabama, with Brian

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Speaker 10: Stevenson talking about the wrongful conviction work he's doing and

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Speaker 10: what we could be doing here in Massachusetts, and taking

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Speaker 10: in obviously all of the sites that he continues to

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Speaker 10: create to lift up our stories. I got on a

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Speaker 10: plane and I came back absolutely inspired. So yes, there

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Speaker 10: are targets on the backs of ags, only Democratic ags

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Speaker 10: of course, who are stepping up in this moment in time,

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Speaker 10: targets on our back, but I've been leaning into it

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Speaker 10: and saying, bring it on, inspired by the history of

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Speaker 10: my folks, inspired by the history here in Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 10: inspired by the stories are real people that without us,

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Speaker 10: would not see relief and accountability, wouldn't have snap benefits,

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Speaker 10: wouldn't have a public education, wouldn't have a clinical trial

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Speaker 10: for pediatric cancer if we didn't step up and fight

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Speaker 10: the fight. And so I know many of my colleagues

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Speaker 10: feel the same. We of course have AG James's back

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Speaker 10: all day every day, but we know why we do

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Speaker 10: this work, and I would add one personal layer for

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Speaker 10: me is I'm very faith driven, aim that everywhere I

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Speaker 10: go I know not only who I am, I know

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Speaker 10: whose I am. So I'm just praying more knowing that

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Speaker 10: my God goes ahead of me, behind me, and all

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Speaker 10: around me. And I think in this moment in time,

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Speaker 10: we need to lean on our personal stories, our history,

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Speaker 10: and our faith.

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Speaker 5: I love that. And I want to please excuse me,

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Speaker 5: Duval Patrick, Governor, for that blatant domssion when I talked

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Speaker 5: about only one of two state wise, of course there is,

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Speaker 5: Governor Patrick. I appreciate the correction.

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Speaker 4: No, I was running to correct your Andrew, don't don't worry.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. I know you before you started.

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Speaker 4: Madam Attorney General. I love you, I adore you. For

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Speaker 4: those of you all on Native Land who don't know,

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Speaker 4: we were in Iowa and a cold, cold Iowa, and

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Speaker 4: she was pregnant and we were out there eating cold

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Speaker 4: pizza and knocking on doors for then presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: So shout out to that baby that was in your

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Speaker 4: right next month.

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Speaker 10: So we were running the street six years ago.

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Speaker 4: My goodness. Let me ask you just a personal question

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Speaker 4: because I feel like I know you and supported you

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Speaker 4: throughout the way. But people don't know that when they

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Speaker 4: see you and they see your smile today, that everything

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Speaker 4: don't always go right. In twenty twenty one, you should

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Speaker 4: have been, as we thought, the next mayor of the

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Speaker 4: City of Boston, and things didn't work out for you.

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Speaker 4: Talk about that defeat and how that spurred you on

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Speaker 4: to be able to do the great things you're doing now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, whether or not you're talking about snap benefits,

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Speaker 4: or you're talking about children who aren't in school because

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Speaker 4: they're afraid of ice or all those things. It did

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Speaker 4: not happen if you didn't have that defeat. And we're

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Speaker 4: able to gain some moment of clarity, I guess relying

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Speaker 4: on your face. So how did you get knocked down

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Speaker 4: and get back up again?

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Speaker 10: Definitely my faith even in that loss. I tell folks,

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Speaker 10: it's how it's your perspective, right. I flipped the loss

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Speaker 10: and saw it as an opportunity, and I said to God, Okay,

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Speaker 10: if that wasn't it, then where are we going next?

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Speaker 10: And I think it's really important you're going to have losses.

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Speaker 10: But if anything, I learned more about myself during that race.

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Speaker 10: I learned that I carried deeply about politics and government

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Speaker 10: helping people and not harming people. And so when the

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Speaker 10: opportunity came along to run for Attorney General, I said,

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Speaker 10: do I want that job? And let me tell you,

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Speaker 10: everything works out as it should, especially when it's connected

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Speaker 10: to something bigger than you and when it's not about you.

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Speaker 10: And so this work of service is not about me.

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Speaker 10: But it's not just my faith. You know, my personal story.

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Speaker 10: I've had so many defeats along the way. You know,

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Speaker 10: when I was eight months old, my mom died in

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Speaker 10: a car accident going to visit my father, who was

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Speaker 10: in prison at the time. I didn't even meet my

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Speaker 10: father until I was eight, and so my brothers and

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Speaker 10: I we bounced around. We lived with my grandmother, who

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Speaker 10: did the best she could but struggled with alcoholism at times.

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Speaker 10: And when she was struggling, we're in a foster care

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Speaker 10: system or with a relative. And then my dad would

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Speaker 10: get out of prison. I'd meet him for the first

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Speaker 10: time when I was eight, but he would live to

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Speaker 10: see me graduate from Princeton. I talked to him one morning.

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Speaker 10: He died the same evening when I was nineteen years old,

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Speaker 10: and then fast forward. My twin brother, Andre would die

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Speaker 10: while in the custody of the Department of Correction at

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Speaker 10: the age of twenty nine as a pre trial detainee

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Speaker 10: as a result of receiving inadequate health care. So I

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Speaker 10: sit here today. My middle name is Joy, so I

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Speaker 10: have no choice but to stand in that, but it

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Speaker 10: comes from my biological mother. And in addition to that,

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Speaker 10: just reflecting on all that loss and thinking about how

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Speaker 10: do I use this job that I'm privileged to have

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Speaker 10: to break other cycles of poverty, criminalization, mediocrity for other

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Speaker 10: families in Massachusetts and families by our work outside of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 10: So it's purpose driven work and I'm already breaking those

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Speaker 10: cycles from my two beautiful boys. So anything that comes

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Speaker 10: my way now, I'm just like, bring it on, because

871
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Speaker 10: if I got through all that, I know I'll be

872
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Speaker 10: okay going forward. And I think this is our time

873
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Speaker 10: to remind our people not to be ashamed of their stories,

874
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 10: to be vulnerable in it, because it gives you tremendous power.

875
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 10: So when you come across a professional loss, it's not

876
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 10: that it's a learning opportunity. It's an opportunity to keep

877
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 10: moving ahead and who knows where you might end.

878
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Speaker 6: Up Attorney General Campbell you talk to about your legacy

879
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 6: and the shoulders you stand on. I can't help but

880
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 6: to notice the picture of Muhammad Ali you have on

881
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 6: the wall behind you, and I want to bring that

882
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: up just for a moment, because I think it's important

883
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Speaker 6: for people to understand how many knockout blows you've given

884
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Speaker 6: to this administration, the Trump administration, with almost two dozen

885
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Speaker 6: lawsuits against the Trump administration. Would love to talk to

886
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Speaker 6: you about how you feel about that record, and now

887
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 6: that we know that the Trump administration is continuing down

888
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 6: the very treacherous path of dismantling the Department of Education,

889
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 6: including outsourcing the work of the Civil Rights Division there,

890
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Speaker 6: I'd love to hear about the work that you are

891
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Speaker 6: doing and leading with state's attorneys general around DEIA.

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Speaker 10: I really appreciate that, and I have Muhammad al lead

893
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Speaker 10: because I feel like in this moment in time, he's

894
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 10: like my muse, I guess, and Fanny lou Hamer too,

895
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 10: both of them, and maybe Kendrick Lamar. Right now, I'm

896
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 10: just relying on all of them in so many different ways.

897
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Speaker 10: And I tell folks here in Massachusetts, we're small, but

898
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Speaker 10: we're a mighty state, and we punch above our weight

899
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 10: every day, and I feel like Muhammad Ali punching above

900
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 10: our weight. We have now forty one lawsuits against this

901
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 10: Trump administration. They try to come for three point two

902
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 10: four billion dollars in Massachusetts investments. Our lawsuits have protected

903
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 10: three point zero two billion dollars of Massachusetts investments.

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Speaker 5: So who your.

905
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Speaker 10: AG is in your state matters, And most of these

906
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Speaker 10: lawsuits are across state lines to protect DEI and DEA

907
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Speaker 10: initiatives and to do it unapologetically. There is nothing right now,

908
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Speaker 10: even as we sit in this conversation and on this platform,

909
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Speaker 10: there is nothing that this administration at the federal level

910
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Speaker 10: has done that has made DEI initiatives, diversity, equity, and

911
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 10: inclusion unlawful. It is still lawful. So if anything, we're

912
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Speaker 10: telling folks not to succumb to their fear, but to

913
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Speaker 10: keep exercising their leadership. And us ags have their and

914
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Speaker 10: the education context and the employment context, you name it.

915
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Speaker 10: We're also fighting for public schools and public education. The

916
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Speaker 10: three billion I mentioned, they tried to come for close

917
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Speaker 10: to two hundred million of funding for our public schools

918
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Speaker 10: here in Massachusetts, which would not have opened on time

919
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Speaker 10: and delivered educational services for our students and our educators

920
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Speaker 10: if we didn't follow that lawsuit. And we have another

921
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Speaker 10: lawsuit of course against the dismantling of the Department of Education,

922
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Speaker 10: so we'll continue that. But all to say, not only

923
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Speaker 10: do we need to keep punching above our weight in

924
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Speaker 10: this moment, ags have I think the most impactful tool

925
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Speaker 10: to fight back because litigation in particular is what we

926
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Speaker 10: need to hold them accountable.

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Speaker 7: That's excellent.

928
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Speaker 6: I know we also have a question we'd like to

929
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Speaker 6: hear from our native lampire community. We have a question

930
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Speaker 6: on veterans and how they are being protected or not

931
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Speaker 6: so protected with the hands at the hands of Ice.

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Speaker 11: Creating's native lampire. My name is April from that Lansa.

933
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Speaker 11: I absolutely love your podcast. I want to thank you

934
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Speaker 11: for your comments on Veterans Day. We definitely want to

935
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Speaker 11: praise our veterans and thank them for their service and

936
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Speaker 11: their sacrifice. I have several members in my family that

937
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Speaker 11: have service country. My question is, are you aware that

938
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Speaker 11: there are immigrant veterans that are currently sitting in detention

939
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Speaker 11: centers and are facing deportation. One of those people is

940
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Speaker 11: my loved one who signed up in the military, serve

941
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Speaker 11: this country, and in spite of that, is facing deportation

942
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Speaker 11: to his native country. It is not right, it is unjust,

943
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Speaker 11: and I would like to know your thoughts about it.

944
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Speaker 11: How can we bring greater awareness to these veterans that

945
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Speaker 11: could be facing deportation and are currently sitting in detention centers.

946
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Speaker 11: Thank you so very.

947
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Speaker 7: Much, Attorney General Campbell your thoughts.

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Speaker 10: First of all, thank you for lifting up that story,

949
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Speaker 10: because I think people often when we're talking about this work,

950
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 10: will refer to some spreadsheet and just numbers. These are

951
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 10: real people. These are Americans or folks who want to

952
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 10: be in this country because they love this country, and

953
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 10: in this case, obviously veterans. So in the context of

954
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Speaker 10: even the snap conversation this happened before Veterans Day, we

955
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Speaker 10: had so many veterans that were reaching out to our

956
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 10: office because they were food and secure and grateful for

957
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 10: our lawsuit to protect access to food benefits for them,

958
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 10: a population that's often forgotten. We're doing a lot in

959
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 10: this space, including in the housing context and for folks

960
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 10: who are returning, in the mental health space, job and employment,

961
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Speaker 10: you name it. We have no partner at the federal

962
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Speaker 10: level whatsoever. When it comes to this work. In name,

963
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 10: they may say, oh, Happy Veterans Day, but in action

964
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Speaker 10: and substance, there're no way to be found. And the

965
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Speaker 10: fact that we have folks who are willing to die

966
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Speaker 10: for this country sitting in detention facilities is absolutely unconscionable

967
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 10: and ridiculous. And I'm not surprised the folks that they

968
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 10: would say they're detaining. They're saying they're criminals. It's nonsense.

969
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 10: We are not seeing that. If there are maybe one

970
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 10: person they pick up with the criminal record, when you

971
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Speaker 10: pull back, if they're able to obtain the information, it

972
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Speaker 10: is folks who have no criminal record, folks who are

973
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Speaker 10: actively seeking asylum, maybe they're veterans or folks who've had

974
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Speaker 10: cases dismissed, and so they're picking up folks who, for

975
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 10: whatever reason shouldn't be in detention. So what we're doing

976
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Speaker 10: is doing rapid response, making sure people have access to lawyers.

977
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Speaker 10: Were also helping with bond and making sure folks can

978
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 10: be released on bond while they go through some proceedings.

979
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 10: But the end of the day, I think it's a

980
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 10: reminder to everyone in this country. Our ags will keep

981
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 10: fighting the fight, but our tools at some point will

982
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 10: hit a wall. The trauma that folks are experiencing is real.

983
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 10: And if you don't like the immigration policy coming from

984
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 10: this White House, get typically engaged, get out and vote,

985
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 10: do your part. It's equally important and it's just as powerful.

986
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Speaker 4: Well, I love you. I'm thankful that you came by.

987
00:53:51,400 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 4: Some of my met some of my friends.

988
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: You've also taken care of us.

989
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm glad you went there because I actually

990
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: wanted you to end there, which is on I'm just

991
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 5: out of curiosity, wondering how you let your hair down?

992
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 5: What is relaxation for an attorney general who's at war

993
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: twenty four to seven? It seems on every side, what

994
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: does the calming down? Is it a reality show? Is

995
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 5: it some yoga? Is it it collar greens cooked Kamala

996
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 5: Harris style.

997
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 10: Well, I'm definitely looking forward to Thanksgiving for sure my

998
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 10: family because it would be all of that and then

999
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 10: some more. But it's running running around with my kids,

1000
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 10: playing with them. It's starting my day in prayer even

1001
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 10: before my kids wake up, before my husband wakes up,

1002
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 10: and just centering my spirit and just realizing I'm not

1003
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 10: doing this by myself, and I'm certainly not doing it

1004
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 10: in my own strength. And it's also surrounding myself with

1005
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 10: positive people, people who know that yes it's hard, but

1006
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 10: rolling up their sleeves to say, well, what are we

1007
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 10: going to do about it? Not accepting it right and

1008
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 10: not lowering their expectations of what they should get from

1009
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 10: government or anything else. And so this space right here

1010
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 10: does that for me. So just surrounding myself with folks

1011
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 10: who pour into me and I'm grateful. Then I have

1012
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 10: an incredible team. I work with folks who are dedicated

1013
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 10: to public service and I'm inspired by them every single day.

1014
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1015
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 5: I love that general. Thank you, and welcome home. You're welcome, y'all.

1016
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: Make sure y'all write some checks, write some checks to

1017
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: this ain't this job, and don't run off love and prayers.

1018
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 7: Champagne contributions, campaign contributions. I just want to make sure

1019
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 7: we're not trump.

1020
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 5: A new ballroom.

1021
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 10: Right Andred campbelled up for a j Campbell m A

1022
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 10: on social media. So thank you all for having me

1023
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 10: stay blast happy, Thanks, happy holidays, Thank you.

1024
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 7: So much, thank you so much.

1025
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: Nobody knows.

1026
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, very happy that that she was able to join.

1027
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: That was a really good conversation.

1028
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: I love that she punctuated the point of how important

1029
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: attorneys general are across this country because I keep saying

1030
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Speaker 1: the courts will not hold. I know, you know, I

1031
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: have two lawyers on the show, but I just I

1032
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of faith in the Justice Department.

1033
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: And right now that seems to be who's on the

1034
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: front line, the judges and the attorneys general, and I

1035
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: just don't know how much they're going to hold. And

1036
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Speaker 1: speaking to that, Angela, you dropped in our chat speaking

1037
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Speaker 1: of the courts not holding. What federal prosecutors are trying

1038
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: to do when it comes to Brehonna Taylor's convicted killer.

1039
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: What is the latest there.

1040
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Speaker 6: I just want to back into this a little different,

1041
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 6: and it's because you know, when we have this conversation

1042
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 6: and people say, you know, I'm choosing the lesser of

1043
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 6: two evils, or both parties are just as bad, or

1044
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 6: all of these things, there are pointed examples where we

1045
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 6: can show people the stark distinction between two different parties

1046
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 6: and the people that they put in place, and I

1047
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 6: think this is one of them. I remember when Donald

1048
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 6: Trump was elected the first time and Jeff Sessions was

1049
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 6: Attorney general. I was calling it the Department of Injustice.

1050
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Speaker 6: And we've seen just how far this department will go

1051
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Speaker 6: to protect Donald Trump's friends, you know, people that have

1052
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 6: protected him. We've seen Donald Trump abuse his pardon power.

1053
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Speaker 6: We've seen the Pardon Office run by Ed Martin, an

1054
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 6: attorney of Donald Trump's, abuse that office. And we're seeing

1055
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Speaker 6: the ways in which not only did they eliminate the

1056
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 6: transparency database around police office officers who have had passed

1057
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 6: issues around abuse, harm, harassment, even killing of different citizens

1058
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Speaker 6: in various states and cities.

1059
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Speaker 7: But now a case that our folks fought hard for.

1060
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Speaker 6: When you think about the convergence of what happened in

1061
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 6: the summer of twenty twenty with George Floyd, certainly that

1062
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 6: was met with amaud Arbury and Breonna Taylor, and now

1063
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 6: the thing that we fought for, the thing that her mother,

1064
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 6: to Miika Palmer, cried for, which was to ensure that

1065
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 6: her daughter eventually would receive some type of justice. I

1066
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Speaker 6: wouldn't call thirty three months justice at all. But now

1067
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Speaker 6: we have the Department of Injustice, led by Pam Bondi,

1068
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 6: seeking to ensure that this man, detective and now I'm

1069
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Speaker 6: friging his name is it Hankerson, Yes, when now we're

1070
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 6: seeing them fight for him to be out of jail

1071
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 6: while they await his appeal. And I'm saying this knowing

1072
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 6: that Donald Trump is going after Tis James for a

1073
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 6: mortgage fraud that does not in fact exist, going after

1074
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 6: Adam Schiff and all the rest, all of his political enemies.

1075
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: But they will protect law enforcement who abuse the power

1076
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 6: of the badge and kill us, willfully, abuse us, willfully,

1077
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Speaker 6: and then seek for them to be out on bail

1078
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Speaker 6: and then out of jail, altogether undermining what the Biden

1079
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Speaker 6: Harris administration's Justice Department did.

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Speaker 5: So that's the law enforcement that was brutalized by the

1081
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Speaker 5: January sisters, who who we are responsible for the death

1082
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Speaker 5: of of folks who were standing in the Gafford democracy.

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Speaker 6: That falls in the category of the pardon power being abused,

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Speaker 6: given the fact that I started there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the pardon and then let's not even forget that

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Speaker 4: we just found out this week. You like that timing note,

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Speaker 4: don't you, Tiffany. We just found out this week that

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Speaker 4: the raggedy District attorney or United States attorney from the

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Speaker 4: northern part of Virginia didn't even show the Grand the

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Speaker 4: second amended indictment for James Comey. They completely circumvented the

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Speaker 4: process to indict another one of their political enemies.

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Speaker 9: This is.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating to me. It's fascinating to me, and it's hurtful

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Speaker 4: to me. And it's not surprising to me because on

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Speaker 4: the very bare minimum, I think we all started this

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Speaker 4: journey and quote unquote civil rights with a few fundamental

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Speaker 4: facts that we all held true, no matter if you

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Speaker 4: were the four of us, or you in Black Lives Matter,

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01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: you were just somebody randomly protesting or whatever. It was

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Speaker 4: the nexus that brought us all together for a lot

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Speaker 4: of those voices that people who watch our show have

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Speaker 4: been hearing for the past fifteen twenty years, is that one.

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Speaker 4: We understand that Breonna Taylor, We understand the Motte Aubrey,

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Speaker 4: We understand George Floyd, we understand. Everything that happened since

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Speaker 4: then is not justice. Justice is them being alive. Everything

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Speaker 4: that happened since then is may be a monocrum of accountability,

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Speaker 4: if that so, That's kind of first, and then we

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Speaker 4: realized how difficult it was even to get that accountability.

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Speaker 4: We realized that we had to move heaven and earth

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Speaker 4: to get that accountability, and only with a blink of

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Speaker 4: an eye, only with a vote or an election, does

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Speaker 4: all of that accountability roll back. And the last thing

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Speaker 4: is fundamentally all of us. I mean, I know, we

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Speaker 4: have our disagreements on whatever the particular issue is. You

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Speaker 4: even have movements of black folk who were trying to

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Speaker 4: get to the same place that have disagreements on how

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Speaker 4: to get there, right, but all of us believe that

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Speaker 4: we're in this position because people do not give us

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Speaker 4: the benefit of our humanity. And Brianna Taylor is the

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Speaker 4: perfect part of that. She didn't get the benefit of

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Speaker 4: her humanity in life, and she damned sure not getting

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Speaker 4: it in death. And so the troublesome part is Brianna

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Speaker 4: is not even able to rest. That is the that's

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Speaker 4: the sad part of this.

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Speaker 6: I do think that it's important to also know to

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Speaker 6: this point around rest, the attorneys that work in the

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Speaker 6: Department of Justice have also reached a crossroads. There is

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Speaker 6: a peace in The New York Times this week a

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Speaker 6: deep dive where they interview more than sixty lawyers who

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Speaker 6: talked about leaving the Department of Justice. Hundreds we have

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Speaker 6: been fired, and thousands more have left the Department. At

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Speaker 6: least over a thousand have left because they can't defend

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Speaker 6: what this administration is doing, which is not upholding or

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Speaker 6: protecting the law.

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Speaker 5: Could I just add, while we're on this topic, that

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Speaker 5: there are so that our audience isn't surprise, and we're

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Speaker 5: not surprised, there are conversations and justice around what it

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Speaker 5: might mean to pardon Derek Chauvin of his murderous acts.

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Speaker 5: And the truth is is that I'm not even I'm

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Speaker 5: disgusted by it, but not even surprised that this is

1141
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Speaker 5: part of the conversation. There is a wing that has

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Speaker 5: kept Donald Trump afloat, including in these latest polls that

1143
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 5: overall have been pretty you know, disastrous for Donald Trump

1144
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 5: of late a moment in time, of course. But but

1145
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 5: the people who keep buoying him are these hardcore radical

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 5: right racists who he can do no wrong. Why because,

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Speaker 5: as you've already pointed out, Tiffany repeatedly, is that they

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Speaker 5: are in common cause around right white supremacy. And they

1149
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: know at the end of the day, the beginning of

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Speaker 5: the day, through the evening and and you know, whatever

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Speaker 5: the hour, that Donald Trump is always going to stand

1152
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 5: at the at the at the at the at the

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Speaker 5: goddamn gates like he's bull Connor at the doorway between

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Speaker 5: what's right, what's fair, what's equitable, what's qualified, and white supremacy.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean to say that all those things

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Speaker 5: are opposite white supremacy. But if that's your if that's

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Speaker 5: your modus of operandi, if that's what you live and

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Speaker 5: die to defend, then we can't make room for your qualifications,

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Speaker 5: your meritocracy. We can't make room for that when all

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Speaker 5: I know is that you're motivated by making sure that

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Speaker 5: the supremacy that has foregone us four hundred plus years

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Speaker 5: is what follows for the next four hundred years. That's

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Speaker 5: what they're in defense of. So this I just want

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Speaker 5: to ready our community that there's probably gonna be a

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Speaker 5: lot more pain, a lot more hurt, a lot more

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Speaker 5: rolling back of accountability, if we could say it, certainly

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Speaker 5: not justice, but the symbols of justice that we've gotten.

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Speaker 5: This officer fired into an apartment where he could.

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Speaker 7: Not see into it ten times blinds up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is.

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Speaker 5: Against any protocol of any law enforcement official blindly shooting

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Speaker 5: into a space and he has no line of sight.

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Speaker 6: And this is the thing this is not just unique

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Speaker 6: to Breonna Taylor's case. Of course, Andrew just referenced George

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Speaker 6: Floyd as well, and Derek Shavin and the efforts that

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Speaker 6: are a largely based in white supremacy to get him

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Speaker 6: part and and we have a clip from Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 6: on that.

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Speaker 12: And there are a bunch of reasons why Derek Chauvin

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Speaker 12: should be parted. By the way, while in federal custody,

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Speaker 12: he was stabbed recently twenty one times by fellow inmates.

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Speaker 12: It's quite dangerous for him. The reason why we now

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Speaker 12: know all of this is because we know from jurors

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Speaker 12: that they were pressured, that they felt the pressure, that

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Speaker 12: they were scared to rule in favor of Derek Chauvin.

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Speaker 12: That we now know, and we could see it at

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Speaker 12: the time, the amount of public pressure that was brought

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Speaker 12: in that particular case. The mayor of Minneapolis was signing

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Speaker 12: settlements with the family of George Floyd on behalf of

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Speaker 12: the city in the middle of the trial. The governor

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Speaker 12: of Minnesota at the time was, of course Tim Walls,

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Speaker 12: and Tim Walls was basically out there proclaiming the guilt

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Speaker 12: of Derek Chauvin.

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Speaker 4: So let me just say this really quickly. I think

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Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro is brilliant, right, I think that he is

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Speaker 4: just a brilliant, brilliant person who articulates his views. We

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Speaker 4: disagree with them. Whatever. Now that was some bolls because

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Speaker 4: none of that is legally sound or justified. Right. There

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Speaker 4: was nothing in that which reaches the level to have

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Speaker 4: a conviction overturned, let alone a pardon like duror pressure one.

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Speaker 4: There's no evidence of that. There's no evidence that a

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Speaker 4: juror would have because you know what happens out there.

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Speaker 4: Every after every guilty plea, they actually or guilty verdict,

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01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: they pull every jurors and say, is this your Do

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Speaker 4: you want to pull the jury? Yes? Is this your verdict?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 12: So that that is.

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Speaker 4: Settlements happened pre criminal case all the time, like this

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Speaker 4: is not anything. But I think it's necessary that we

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Speaker 4: hear somebody on the other side articulate their reasoning so

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Speaker 4: that then we can come in and stand on our

1213
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 4: platform and be like, this is the reason why this

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Speaker 4: isn't true. Not rooted in emotion, not rooted and I

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Speaker 4: hate you you're on a but rooted in the fact that. No,

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Speaker 4: this just isn't legally sound. And the crazy part about

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Speaker 4: it is Andrew Gillum, it's not legally sound. And Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump still may do to shit.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely likely will.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just have a slight disagreement there, not a slight

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Speaker 1: a major disagreement there with Acari. I think if we're

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Speaker 1: calling Ben Shapiro brilliant, then our standard for brilliant is

1224
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Speaker 1: very low.

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Speaker 4: That's his I don't mind calling people. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: think he's a very I think he's very smart, very

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Speaker 4: well read, very articulate. I mean, we can disagree with you,

1228
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Speaker 4: we can disagree with people who we think are smart, disagree.

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Speaker 2: With people I think he's smart all the time. He

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Speaker 2: just doesn't fall into that category.

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Speaker 4: But I hear you.

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Speaker 2: If you think he's brilliant, I yield to the I

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Speaker 2: yield to your point.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's just he's in all our brilliant meetings,

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Speaker 4: you know. That's what I'm saying when we have our

1236
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Speaker 4: little meaning the brilliant people.

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Speaker 1: No wonder, I'm not invited to that meeting, but I

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01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: do think that they mask a lot of policy and

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Speaker 1: white supremacy. And I want to switch gears here and

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Speaker 1: shift us to something that I want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and that is in your neck of the woods, Bakari,

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: and in your neck of the woods, Andrew, there is

1243
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: a state law trying to be introduced. But in order

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Speaker 1: for us to talk about that, I want to take

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: us back to last year. We were in Philadelphia and

1246
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: did a show leading up to the election, and we

1247
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: had a wonderful question asked from a young man there

1248
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: who's a member of Alpha Fay Alpha Fraternity Incorporated and

1249
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: stood up and asked this question.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 7: Say your name and where you're from. Please.

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Speaker 9: Hi.

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Speaker 13: My name is Shauna Alaone. I'm a junior here at

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Speaker 13: Tembo University. As a African American man that have a disability,

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Speaker 13: I was told by a white teacher that college was

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01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 13: not for me. Here I am in college with a

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01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 13: high GPA. But but but what I don't understand. We

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 13: talked about the black boat, the black woman both the

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Speaker 13: back LGBT two boat. What is amazing we're talkt about

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Speaker 13: all that, but we don't talk about the black disable

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Speaker 13: boat and people like myself of Tiger or being treated

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 13: as psychic past says it. So if y'all can just

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Speaker 13: talk about what we need to do as a community

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Speaker 13: to uplift the black disabled boat as well, so that

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Speaker 13: more people like myself can be a success story.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of response from that question, and

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Speaker 1: I just shout out to him for standing up and

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Speaker 1: asking and challenging us to talk more about that. And

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Speaker 1: so ever since then, every week, I've wanted to revisit

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Speaker 1: that topic. But again, during the Trump administration, it's like

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: trying to catch competti covering all the travesty. So while

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Speaker 1: we had time to, I just wanted to follow up

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Speaker 1: with that since there's a story in the news this

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Speaker 1: week that speaks directly to it. But first, black people

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: with disability are more likely to spend outside regular classroom.

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: Students are typically checked out of classrooms, They're more likely

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Speaker 1: to be placed in correctional facilities, and less likely to

1278
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Speaker 1: have completed high school. And so he bucks all those trends.

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Speaker 1: There are more than three point six million black adults

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Speaker 1: who have a disability here in America, and students with

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: these disabilities, as you see, are disproportionately discriminated against. And

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: the ADA the American Disabilities Act passed in nineteen ninety

1283
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: and that, just like every other civil rights in this

1284
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: country past because of the work of black people. It

1285
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: was more out of the Civil rights movement. People stayed

1286
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: sit ins literally just copied the Civil rights movement to

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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: get it. And there's intersectionality, of course, as we know

1288
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: with black folks in every underclass community, but certainly with

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Speaker 1: black folks in the American discs Abilities Act.

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Speaker 2: Why are we talking about this?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: Where are you going? Where are you going with this?

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 5: Yes?

1294
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: If I can.

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: Why why this matters on a serious note is because

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Speaker 1: there is an effort underway in several red states, including

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Speaker 1: yours Bakari and yours Andrew, to allow pregnant women to

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Speaker 1: use handicapped parking spaces. And that sounds like a noble

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Speaker 1: enough gesture. However, this is not what it appears to be.

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Speaker 1: This is an initiative from right wing extremists. I think

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Speaker 1: we have to stop calling them conservatives. Right wing extremists

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Speaker 1: to encourage more women to have children. So a typical

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Speaker 1: tactic of right wing extremists is to pit one group

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Speaker 1: against the other. And so there are communities, including in

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Speaker 1: South Carolina and in Florida, who are filing a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: to stop this. So instead of saying, let's provide parking

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Speaker 1: for pregnant women. They're saying, we're going to take away

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Speaker 1: these parking spots and make them accessible to pregnant women. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is in direct violation of the American Disabilities Act,

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Speaker 1: and pregnancy is not qualified as a disability. And nobody's

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Speaker 1: saying that that pregnant women should not be able to

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Speaker 1: have these parking spaces. But there is a huge ground swell.

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Speaker 1: And so because that gentlemen so bravely asked that question,

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Speaker 1: this is precisely the intersection of people who are black,

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Speaker 1: who have disabilities, who are voters, and where policy butts

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Speaker 1: upright against them. There was a testimony from a woman

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Speaker 1: in Tallahassee Andrew who was one of the outspoken opponents

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Speaker 1: of this bill. But this is a state law happening

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Speaker 1: all across country across and I don't want people to

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Speaker 1: hear it and think, oh, this isn't a bad thing. No,

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Speaker 1: this is coming from white men, right wing extremists masking

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Speaker 1: this and policy, and it's rooted in turning America into Gilead.

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Speaker 1: And I thought this was some and really important to

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Speaker 1: raise to the viewers. But I get it's out of

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Speaker 1: interest to you, Bricari.

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Speaker 7: So that point.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I was letting you finish, but I wanted

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Speaker 4: to say one thing. I had to clarify one point.

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Speaker 4: If you are pregnant, yes, you do qualify for short

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Speaker 4: term disability. That's firm you and after you give birth

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Speaker 4: there are a few weeks in which you qualify for

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Speaker 4: short term disability. The reason I bring that up, just

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Speaker 4: as a clarification of your point is you know the

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Speaker 4: people who don't take advantage of that short term disability,

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Speaker 4: often enough pregnant that are black. Right, So I do

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Speaker 4: want to and your point is so nuanced that I'm

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Speaker 4: going to sit my ignorant butt down on the side.

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Speaker 4: But I did want to make sure that I that

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Speaker 4: I did articulate the fact that, yes, the pregnant women

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Speaker 4: do qualify as being disabled. I think they should take

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Speaker 4: advantage of it. And I think that those pregnant women

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Speaker 4: should get parking spots. But that's about the same I'm

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Speaker 4: going on.

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Speaker 5: Any private businesses I've seen actually create parking spots for

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Speaker 5: women who are pregnant.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I tell y'all.

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Speaker 4: Can I confess somebody quick? Can I confess something out

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Speaker 4: one time? So if you tell me you park, No,

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Speaker 4: it's worse than that what so like, I had to

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Speaker 4: get on the zoom one day and so I was

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Speaker 4: in the Fort Lauda Deal airport and I downloaded the

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Speaker 4: app so I could go in and use the the

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Speaker 4: the breastfeeding, you know, the little that I can think of.

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Speaker 5: The women need to feed their child.

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Speaker 4: Man, But there carrying that burden with that might have

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Speaker 4: been the reason I had to wait in line with

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Speaker 4: y'all before they get into heaven. So I'm just happy.

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Speaker 5: Streak in here, man.

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Speaker 4: I downloaded that app so quick. They were like, aren't

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Speaker 4: you for your zoom? And I said it there and

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Speaker 4: logged in. They were like, you got a beautiful background.

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Speaker 4: It was all.

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Speaker 1: Scotty because I did want to just make that quick point.

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Speaker 1: That is a part of the lawsuit that they're saying

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Speaker 1: pregnant women can apply for a parking path for a

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Speaker 1: short term disability.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for pointing that out.

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Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you my wife couldn't get nowhere

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Speaker 5: carrying them to babies with her feet the way they

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Speaker 5: were in those last couple of weeks. But I will

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Speaker 5: say this, what you want us to do is to

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Speaker 5: look at this from I think the view of how

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Speaker 5: we expand, right, you don't have to absolutely then put

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Speaker 5: certain communities against other communities, notwithstanding the correction, the legal,

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Speaker 5: important legal correction that you made, Bookar. This again is

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Speaker 5: first of all, bless the woman who wants to have

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Speaker 5: a child now to get a closer parking spot, because

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Speaker 5: I they're gonna have to try harder on the incentive side.

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Speaker 5: But I definitely know that that is part of the

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Speaker 5: right wing extreme that this. You know, they're they're obsessed

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Speaker 5: by their replacement theory and they are terrified by the

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Speaker 5: low birth rates of of of of of white women,

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Speaker 5: So surely you know they go down that track. But

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Speaker 5: I think we want to see this through the lens

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Speaker 5: of expansion rather than you know, contraction of support for

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Speaker 5: people who needed when they need correct and what we're

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Speaker 5: doing and what we're seeing many of these states is

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Speaker 5: the pitting against which is again what they do.

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Speaker 6: Well, and especially when you think about things from a

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Speaker 6: scarcity model. I think it's really important. You know, I'm

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Speaker 6: grateful that you brought up Andrew the idea that or Bakari,

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Speaker 6: whichever one of you, you guys you know the same,

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Speaker 6: all black people are the same. But talked about the

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Speaker 6: fact that black women very rarely take advantage of this,

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Speaker 6: of this benefit, if we can call it that. But

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Speaker 6: when I think about all the work that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 6: and Lauren Underwood and other black women did in cong

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Speaker 6: or really trying to make sure that we bring black

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Speaker 6: maternal health to the forefront, and the many ways in

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Speaker 6: which our humanity is not seen carrying children in this

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Speaker 6: country in part because we did it for labor.

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Speaker 7: That is the history of this country.

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Speaker 6: What I don't want to do is dehumanize us even

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Speaker 6: more when we do need this type of support. So

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Speaker 6: one thing that I think is important in just for

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Speaker 6: a moment, because I think it would behoove us not

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Speaker 6: to miss something that has been on the radar talking

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Speaker 6: about black pregnant women. There was a woman in Dallas,

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Speaker 6: there's a woman in Indiana who both were kicked out

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Speaker 6: of hospitals just recently. And I want to play the

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Speaker 6: clip of the woman in Dallas who is clearly in

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Speaker 6: a disabled position, and as she is going through intake,

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Speaker 6: which she should have not had to do while she

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Speaker 6: was in active labor, she's sitting in a wheelchair, definitely

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Speaker 6: in a disabled position.

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Speaker 7: Can we row that clip.

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01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 5: Right now?

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Speaker 13: As at home, here's your.

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: Doctor laying is her doctor?

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Speaker 9: Are your patients like this?

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 5: Are just the black ones?

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Speaker 7: Is the tenth? I bet you y'all listen next time.

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Speaker 6: When you found out you was delivering at this hospital,

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Speaker 6: your ass should have changed doctors.

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Speaker 5: I'm believable.

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Speaker 4: It's not. It's not, it's not even so, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think my story is kind of well known. You know,

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 4: Ellen almost died during childbirth, so I don't even want

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01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 4: to go down that path. In fact, my number one

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Speaker 4: political issue is African American female mortality because that happens

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Speaker 4: more than people know, of course, and the reason being

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Speaker 4: is because of our implicit bias we have in our

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Speaker 4: healthcare delivery system, and people like, what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: If any person ask you, does racism still exists the

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Speaker 4: number one example as it exists when black women are

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Speaker 4: giving childbirth, because it crosses over socioeconomic levels. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter if you're on Medicaid, it doesn't matter if you

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Speaker 4: are Serena Williams or Ellen Sellars. It can affect you equally, right,

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Speaker 4: And it's because in their studies that people inherently believe

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Speaker 4: that black women have a higher pain tolerance or that

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Speaker 4: they're more likely to fake the pain that they're going through.

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Speaker 4: But Andrew, this is the point that I wanted to

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Speaker 4: make by laying that out. This is why black men

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Speaker 4: have a very very very important role in a woman's

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Speaker 4: pregnancy and childbirth because many times, many times, in that room,

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Speaker 4: you have to be your partners number one advocate, because

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Speaker 4: oftentimes those individuals cannot speak up for themselves because they're

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Speaker 4: going going through that process. And unless you were there

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: yelling and screaming, kicking and shouting, cursing, threatening lawsuits, call

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01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: the police, doing everything necessary to protect the life of

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01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 4: the woman you love and the little people you ain't

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01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 4: even met yet, then sometimes, and too often, more often

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Speaker 4: than not, those black women will die.

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Speaker 5: And Bacari that I was listening to a NPR story

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 5: the other day, really right down these lines. One of

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Speaker 5: the most effective ways of getting medical staff's attention during

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 5: your partner's pregnancy and delivery is for a husband to

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Speaker 5: be the advocate. With one exception husbands of color.

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Speaker 4: That's because they want to take.

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 5: Chimes, who oftentimes call security. Security is then escorting the

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01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 5: husband every single place he goes. The message goes out

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01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 5: through the hospital staff that this is a problem man,

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 5: and I mean in the story, I was listening to

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Speaker 5: this immigrant not immigrant. I'm sorry he was of Latino

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01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 5: dissent father was arrested while his wife gave birth, complained

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Speaker 5: about the pain that she was experiencing, and nearly died, right,

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Speaker 5: I said during your comments, Bacary, thanks Charles Johnson, who

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Speaker 5: is the husband to Kira, and they have an organization,

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Speaker 5: he has a foundation.

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Speaker 4: What is it for care for life?

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Speaker 5: I believe it is I need to look at I

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Speaker 5: need to four care of for moms and shows. He's

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Speaker 5: been a guest on our show. But Charles Johnson an

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Speaker 5: incredible advocate for just the most unspeakable tragedy. His wife

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Speaker 5: bled internally after a c section for ten straight hours. Right, people,

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Speaker 5: she said something is not right, something's not right with me,

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Speaker 5: and dismissed again her pain not perceived as real pain

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Speaker 5: being manufactured of some sort. And then a life cuts short,

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Speaker 5: a child who won't have his mom, a husband who

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Speaker 5: has lost his wife, all of it preventable.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: So, I couldn't agree with you more that that we

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Speaker 5: husbands have to be there, but we have to systematically

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Speaker 5: demand better. There is no reason for black mortality rates

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Speaker 5: to be at the level that they are, and for

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01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 5: us to still be scrutinizing individual cases when we know

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Speaker 5: that that is only the case because of systematic racists,

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Speaker 5: not just policies, but practices and in practice, and hospitals

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Speaker 5: in healthcare systems all throughout the country everywhere, and lots

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Speaker 5: have to change.

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Speaker 6: I think the important thing here is I know we

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01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 6: have to wrap is that we don't keep pitying different

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Speaker 6: groups against each other. Pregnant women, black, white, Asian, whatever,

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Speaker 6: deserve to have access that is easy, deserve to have

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Speaker 6: a life that isn't making their pregnancies harder. And I

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Speaker 6: think that they can do that without taking away from

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Speaker 6: parking spaces that already exist. If they can make space

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Speaker 6: for electric cars, certainly they can make space for pregnant

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Speaker 6: women and so. But I do not think that it

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Speaker 6: is smart for us to pit these groups against each other.

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Speaker 6: And we should focus really hard on making sure that

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Speaker 6: it is easy to bear children and to be pregnant

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01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 6: in this country, and we should also make sure we're

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Speaker 6: protecting accessibility for other people.

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Speaker 1: We are not pitting them against each other. It's these

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01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: right wing extremists, And to your point, if they really

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01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: gave a shit about pregnant women like you just gave

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01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: a testimony. Angela just talked about the work that I'm

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Speaker 1: Vice President Harris did on this, Congressman Lauren Underwoock, Illinois

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01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: did on this. If they really cared about people bringing

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Speaker 1: life into this world, they would put their resources there,

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01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: not into some BS legislation taking away. And so that

1513
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: sets up a war between two communities who both, like

1514
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: Angela made the point, deserve to have accessible parking spaces.

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, but go ahead.

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01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 9: No.

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01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 4: I was just saying, thank you for introducing the subject,

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01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 4: and I like, I like this show. I mean, I

1519
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 4: know I add a great deal of value. But the

1520
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 4: way that you three, the way that you three are

1521
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 4: able to take that topic and be able to I mean,

1522
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 4: we extrapolated that with such death depth. I just I

1523
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 4: mean I oftentimes when we talk with our friends, we

1524
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 4: don't ever just say thank you for the conversation and

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01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 4: thank you.

1526
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 2: For adding to it.

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: That clip that we played with the pregnant woman, it's

1528
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: hard to watch, but I'm happy that we were playing

1529
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: it in full because hearing her screen, her guttural cries

1530
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: and the way that that woman was talking, the way

1531
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: the white nurse was talking to her, very dismissive, and

1532
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: then see her she wasn't even listening.

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01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 4: I did see a post afterwards because she got fired,

1534
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 4: and the nurse did acknowledge, and she said that there

1535
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 4: are a lot of good nurses out there. Don't let

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01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 4: her behavior. She she had a I don't know what

1537
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 4: to call it.

1538
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 5: It isn't just about her, it is a at the

1539
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 5: rate as you know, it's systemic.

1540
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's time for cause and action. So

1541
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: let's get to that.

1542
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 4: Who cares about truth? When the last morning's seen it?

1543
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 9: All right?

1544
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 2: Is that time in the show for calls to action?

1545
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: And I'm going to kick us off because I let

1546
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: Macari kick us off in the beginning, and so my

1547
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: call to action, uh, this week is another selfish ask

1548
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: of all of you. I want to know what y'all

1549
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: are reading this holiday season. Every year in my book club,

1550
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 1: we read a classic. So we're reading The Great Gatsby.

1551
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: So drop me in comment and let me know y'all

1552
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: are reading you and Trump. Yeah exactly. But I'm trying

1553
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: to get back up to a book a week. And

1554
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not like some of these people who are like

1555
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: I don't read fiction.

1556
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: I love fiction. So if y'all got good fiction, good

1557
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: non fiction, whatever, let me know.

1558
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 6: So my CTA is also very personal. I have been

1559
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,879
Speaker 6: dealing with my mother, who is currently in the hospital,

1560
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 6: and one of the things that I'm understanding and being

1561
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 6: baptized by fire by, is.

1562
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 7: How ill prepared.

1563
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 6: I feel like my generation is to deal with aging parents,

1564
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 6: and so what I really want to do is a

1565
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 6: joint project with our Native Lampod community where we can

1566
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 6: put together a shared memo of all the resources that

1567
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 6: we need, making sure that our parents have wills and

1568
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 6: trusts and that they're updated, making sure that our parents

1569
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 6: have you know, power of attorney done. I had to

1570
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 6: call Medicare earlier for something and he was like, I

1571
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 6: can't tell you about that. You're not authorized, right, Like

1572
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 6: all of these things that are small and they don't

1573
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 6: take a lot of time, but when you have to

1574
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 6: deal with the convergence of all of them at the

1575
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 6: same time, it's overwhelming. So I want to hear from

1576
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 6: you all your stories, what you all have done to

1577
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 6: succeed in this space, how you supported your parents.

1578
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 7: Their adults.

1579
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 6: They make their own decisions, but they need a little

1580
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 6: more support, and they do not like being treated like

1581
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 6: your grown kids. So if you got tips for that,

1582
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 6: I'm a bossy child too, help assist out. I definitely

1583
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 6: want to get this right and want my mom to

1584
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 6: feel loved and supported and held with the dignity of

1585
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 6: a queen, which she deserves. So I know y'all have

1586
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 6: probably been through that with your own parents. Andrew, I

1587
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 6: know you're going through that with your mom too right now.

1588
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 6: So whatever tips y'all have, please send them to meet

1589
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 6: and Andrew. I'll make sure he reads them too.

1590
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate that ask going on our behalf and

1591
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 5: I got to just give a shout out to my

1592
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 5: sister the I'm glad my mama didn't stop at six children.

1593
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 5: I'm glad she went for seven. The only girl of

1594
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 5: the bunch, My baby sister, attorney counselor Monique Gillham, who

1595
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 5: has been there every step of the way like I had,

1596
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 5: was at a funeral this weekend and I just want

1597
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 5: to speak about this issue of aging parents and our

1598
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 5: lack of preparation for it. I want to lift in

1599
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 5: prayer my good friend brother Alvin Benton, on the passing

1600
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 5: of his mother. Gwendolyn Benton, an educator, was a personal

1601
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 5: assistant I think too. Ceo, Uh, maybe it was. Coca

1602
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 5: Colage was a principal elementary school principal, gave her life

1603
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 5: and service to people. And one of the things that

1604
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 5: Alvin said during the funeral as he was given reflections

1605
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 5: on his mom and her her impact on his life,

1606
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 5: he's a mama's boy, he says, I can confirm he's yeah,

1607
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 5: he I do. But but in truth, Alvin said during

1608
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 5: his reflections, to say a prayer for and check up

1609
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 5: on your strong friends. And I think about you, all

1610
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 5: the folks who I get to share this platform with,

1611
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 5: and when I think about strong friends, the ones who

1612
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 5: are always in the gap for other people. But it

1613
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 5: really resonated with me, and maybe I was in need,

1614
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 5: maybe myself. I don't know strong people really ever do

1615
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 5: the asking, But it made me think about the people

1616
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 5: in our lives who are always carrying, who are always doing,

1617
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 5: who are always looking out. So I just want to

1618
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:34,679
Speaker 5: echo Alvin's Alvin's directive to check on your strong friends,

1619
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 5: the ones who always checking on us and always doing,

1620
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 5: and always going check in on them and just see

1621
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 5: that they're okay. Like he said, they need a little sunshine,

1622
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 5: a little rain drops to flourish as well. So shout

1623
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 5: out to to Gwendolen Benton life. She lived two weeks

1624
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 5: prior to my cousin Michael Sam's who passes well. Men, brothers,

1625
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 5: check up on your health, but check in on your

1626
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 5: on your strong friends. What you gotta be.

1627
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, you're bridging a gap because you got to

1628
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 4: raise your parents and you gotta raise your kids. And

1629
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 4: so one of the things that I wanted to do

1630
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 4: was just talk about whether or not it's Epstein that

1631
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 4: we were talking about earlier, some of the things that

1632
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 4: I've been kind of going through in my work day.

1633
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 4: Be very mindful of your children. Be very mindful of

1634
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 4: the things that your children are doing and that they're into.

1635
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 4: My call to action is I have a young lady

1636
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 4: who I represent, who her child was playing Fortnite and

1637
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 4: she heard some things that were untoward being said on Fortnite,

1638
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 4: and so she began to ask her daughter if anything

1639
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 4: like that had ever happened to her. She's under the

1640
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 4: age of ten, and she began to tell her mother

1641
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 4: how she was being sexually abused at after school program.

1642
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 4: And so I just want as to while we're talking

1643
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 4: about the things we need to do for the adults

1644
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 4: in our lives and our parents to also make sure

1645
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 4: that we're raising that level of awareness with the young

1646
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 4: people that are around us, because this world is a

1647
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 4: hell of fied place outside, and so just make sure

1648
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 4: that we're being mindful on both sides.

1649
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 5: All right, we need to pick me up. Call tough stuff.

1650
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I got my I gotta pick me up.

1651
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna do for Tiffany Cross's book club is

1652
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 4: one of my co workers, Scott Jennings. His new book

1653
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 4: just came out in time for Christmas, and I'm gonna

1654
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 4: send it over to Tiffany.

1655
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 7: Did somebody pick up against on the internet. Nobody want to.

1656
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 4: Hear this, So I'm gonna get Cross. I'm gonna get

1657
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 4: tif Cross Scott Jennings' new book for her book club,

1658
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 4: and y'all read it.

1659
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 7: Thank you the car I picked up what he puts.

1660
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

1661
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: No, but seriously, I actually will take that book for that.

1662
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I go away every winter with some friends of mine

1663
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: in my book club, and sometimes we rent the house

1664
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: and we run out of firewood and we're always like, oh,

1665
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: we need paper to burn.

1666
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 9: That is.

1667
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 5: Good Scott, Scott.

1668
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 4: If they buy it, if they buy it, they buy it, Scott,

1669
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 4: it don't matter what they buying.

1670
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 5: That they.

1671
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Sorry to this band anyway, She's not anyway. Thank you

1672
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: guys for an amazing show. We'll be back next week.

1673
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: There are three hundred and forty eight days left until midterms.

1674
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 1: And don't forget about Latasha Brown's we ain't buying it

1675
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 1: the movement. You're not supposed to do any shopping after

1676
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Black Friday. I think is Isela is wearing that we

1677
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: ain't buying what you're wearing Black.

1678
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 7: No, it's Black House Orders Matter, imtives.

1679
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 1: Aware of Black voters Matter, attizes organization, And if you

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01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,080
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1683
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Speaker 1: Shows on Reason Choice Media, Our Girls, Jamail Hill host Politics.

1685
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge sports fan, so I've been listening, and

1686
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1688
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1692
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:41,920
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