1 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Good evening, America, and welcome to the Wednesday edition of 2 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Justin Use No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon, reporting 3 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: to you actually today from West Palm Beach in the 4 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: great and Beautiful for America's Voice Studios down in Florida. 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: A lot to cover today. A historic but admittedly tenuous 6 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: agreement between the United States in Israel and Iran is 7 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: holding thus farm. But I do use the word tenuous 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: because there are lots of difficult issues to work out, 9 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: and those issues were front and center today. Is uranium 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and enrichment off the table for Iran. Is Israel's ability 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: to attack Lebanon part of the deal. Confusion, some doubts, 12 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: some across the board, media negotiating going on between the 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: two sides. President Trump making very clear the final deal 14 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: will not allow Iran to have enriched uranium. We'll see 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: if the Iranians are on board and that we're going 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: to be talking about that all show along, including in 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: a few seconds with a former CIA senior intelligence officer, 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Sam Fattis, who's been on top of this from the beginning. 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: A quick programming note before I throw it over to 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: my amazing co host tomorrow night, I want you to 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: tune in market calendar. I'm going to release some new 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: declassified documents about the Ukraine impeachment. You will learn that 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: it was based on hearsay information from a partisan, in 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: biased source whose information was immediately challenged by the intelligence company. 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: Despite that, they went ahead in impeach President Trump back 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen over Ukraine and Hunter Biden going to 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: cover that tomorrow night. Let me bring in my amazing cost. 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Amanda had Amanda big moment for the White House. The 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: piece is holding, but a lot of work ahead, right. 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as the President and the Secretary Caroline Levitt 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: have reminded everyone, you know, it's not like Iran is 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: an honest broker. 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: So this is, as you refer to it, very very tenuous. 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: But the media, John, there has been the media that 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: they have cited it seems like with Iran. And I'm 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: not going to say that they are anti American or 37 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: anything like that, but when you repeatedly believe the Iranian 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: regime over the president of the United States, I think 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: that it says something about biased coverage. But it's amazing 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: to me the metamorphosis that we have seen from you know, 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: President Trump was ostensibly in the hospital last week too, 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: he's a madman because he wants to turn Iran into glass. 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: And then he you know, last night, he's a coward 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: for backing down to them. And it's just this amazing, 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: as I said, this, this transition going to going through 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: each of these phases where it seems like they just 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: really can't make up their mind about it. But at 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: the end of the day, President Trump has had his 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: mind made up about this since before he even ran 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: for president. 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: And that's clear if you go back and look back. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: At clips, Yeah, Jerry will be out. And whetherial media 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: is anti American, it clearly is anti truth. And that's 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: I think what we've seen. Iran's military has been decimated, 55 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: its industrial complex decimated. They don't want to admit that. 56 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: That's why through at this point of a pause, because 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: they have nothing to fire at us anymore. All Right, 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: we've got the perfect guess to kick off our show tonight. 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: All right, joining us now, somebody knows a fig or 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: two about the Middle East. He served in the CIA 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: as a CLANDI stand officer for a very long time. Today, 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most sage voices when 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: it comes to security around the world. He's a good friend. 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Retired CIO officer Sam Fattis. Sam. Great to have you 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: back on the show. Great to be here. 66 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: Thanks guys. 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I love the work you do on your sub stack, 68 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: and I think the reason is it's based in reality. 69 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: There's always happy talk when a tenuous deal like this 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: gets put together, but then there's a reality of getting 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: to some finality without it falling apart. Walk us through 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: where we are. He's been a bumpy day. Iran and 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: the United States seem to not have all the details 74 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: buttoned down. They're kind of working through it. Maybe, how 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: where are we in that process and how concerned should 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: we be that this could fall apart at some point. 77 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 5: Well, look, we have a ceasefire, and I think we 78 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 5: have an agreement that we're going to sit down Islamabad. 79 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 5: There have been some bumps, as you said, with apparently 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: some missiles and drones still flying back and forth. I'm 81 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 5: not super concerned about that because I think you're talking 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 5: about on the Iranian side, a very decentralized system at 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: this point. 84 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: So the fact that. 85 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 5: Not everybody's on the same sheet of music, not everybody 86 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 5: got the memo, yet not everybody necessarily is pulled in 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 5: the same direction. Okay, I think that sort of comes 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 5: with the territory. The bigger issue, from my perspective is 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 5: when we sit down in Islamabad, what are we negotiating? 90 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 5: I don't mean, I mean we're obviously trying to negotiate 91 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 5: an actual peace agreement, a permanent end to hostilities. But 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 5: what are we negotiating from in terms of a base? 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: The Iranians are being very clear that they are stating 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 5: very publicly that we are negotiating from their ten point 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 5: plan that they have trotted out, which from my perspective 96 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 5: is a non starter. Rights we remove all sanctions, the 97 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 5: UN revokes all its. 98 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: Resolutions, they get to keep the. 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 5: Nuclear program, We pull our forces out of the Middle East, 100 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 5: We promise never to attack them ever again. They control 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 5: the Straits of Hormuz, they keep charging two million dollars 102 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 5: a ship, et cetera, and so forth, So. 103 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: That I cannot imagine. Is I mean that right there? 104 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 5: Probably all of those terms are terms to which we 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: cannot we cannot agree right. 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: Well, And Sam, I know that the White House felt 107 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: the exact same way, because the Press Secretary today said 108 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: that they literally threw it in the trash. 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: And I know in any negotiation. 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: Even for a country like Iran, you start wayfer on 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: your own side than you know you're going to end up. 112 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: But as you said, I mean, this was a wishless 113 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: This was absolutely delusional to you. Does that show that 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: this entire process has not been serious and therefore, for 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: whatever this ceasefire can be effectively, that it's not serious either? 116 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Right? 117 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: Well, I mean the way I would characterize their ten 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 5: point plan is it's a surrender document. But we're the 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: ones who are supposed to surrender to them, So yes, 120 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 5: non starter. Are they always going to push you too far? 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: Yes? 122 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: Are they always going to ask for the sun the 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 5: moon stars? Yes, these are smart guys and they're very aggressive, 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 5: and this is the Middle East and haggling is the deal. 125 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 5: Even for them, this is really really extreme. I mean, 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: I think I am afraid that what they're saying is 127 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 5: they don't think they're losing. They think we want the 128 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 5: piece more than they do. And as anybody knows, in 129 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: a negotiation, leverage is everthink. So again, even for them, 130 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: it's a tall order. 131 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, I want to talk. I had an unusual 132 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: experience of negotiating with the Malas Back in two thousand 133 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: and nine, My reporter was taken when I was the 134 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: editor of the Washington Times, and it was such a 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: surreal experience because publicly they were saying, we're never going 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: to release his infidel, We're never going to do it. 137 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: He was a spy, he's going to be tried, and 138 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: behind the scenes they're actually negotiating. Is that a norm 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: for them and could it be that the propaganda's designed 140 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: to keep their reputation with their people intact, even though 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: they know that on the backside they've taken a pretty 142 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: big hit. 143 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 5: Well, it is without question this element that you just 144 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 5: touched on that a lot of what they're going to 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: say is going to be for domestic consumption or in 146 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 5: the rest of the region. That's a given. Yeah, I 147 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 5: mean they're going to talk smack and there's going to 148 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: be a lot of trash talk and then you get 149 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 5: behind closed doors. But you know what's they're going to 150 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 5: take you for as much as they can get yep, right, 151 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: I mean it's that is the nature of the beast 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 5: for them and the entire region. So what is critical 153 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 5: is that they understand that we are prepared to walk 154 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: away and go back to beating the hell out of them, 155 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: and I don't want that to happen, and I hope 156 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 5: that does not happen. But the second they feel like 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 5: we need to want the deal more than they do, 158 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 5: we're done. Obviously, that's a great point. 159 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, and Sam, I think that one thing that could 160 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: be propelling them to that place where they delusionally think 161 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: that we want it more. 162 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: Than they And well, maybe it's not delusional. We do. 163 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: We do want peace. 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: That President Trump has spoken about that a lot. Is 165 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: their main bargaining chip, whether they realize it or not, 166 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: the Hormu straight because they no longer they don't have 167 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: military superiority. Is the Hormu straight? Is that their big, 168 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: biggest and best bargaining chip? And if so, how do 169 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: we eliminate it? 170 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 5: Well, look, the center of gravity of the whole conflict 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: is oil and thennatural gas, right, And it's not just 172 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 5: the straits of Hormuz, it's the production facilities in the 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 5: Gulf and in Saudi right. So you know our military 174 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 5: is beating up on them. Would they sink a carrier battle. 175 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: Group if they could? 176 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 5: Obviously, do they realistically think they have a chance against 177 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 5: the US military? 178 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: No? 179 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: But so we shoot it. We shoot at them, and 180 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: they shoot at Gutter, they shoot at Dubai, they shoot 181 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 4: at Saudi. 182 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 5: And it's not just keeping the straits closed, it's you know, 183 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: if we really get in, our backs are against the wall, 184 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: will just burn the whole place down, like permanently, We'll 185 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 5: burn it down. We'll send it so many drones that 186 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 5: Saudi won't pump a barrel of oil for five years, 187 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 5: and that you know, kind of a giant suicide vest 188 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 5: kind of mentality. That's that's their real, their real leverage. 189 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: And we will see whether they feel like we've hurt 190 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: them enough that they're going to make a deal or 191 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 5: if we're going to have to go back to fighting 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 5: and take away that leverage, take away their their capacity 193 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: to threaten that. 194 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really smart. Same, that's what I'm hearing from 195 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: the inside. That really is the concern. When we were 196 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: in the Cold War, we had detente because we had 197 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: something the other side feared enough. What is it? And 198 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: down Trump always wants to know what is his enemy 199 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: want most and what does he at least want to 200 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: have happened to them, and then negotiate between those two parameters. 201 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: What is it that Iran would fear more than anything 202 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: from us. 203 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 5: Look, I think if we could take away their capacity 204 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: to threaten other countries' oil and natural gas, and if 205 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: we could then cut off their capacity to sell oil, 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 5: which we can do anytime we want because we can 207 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 5: blockade them, that really puts them in the box from 208 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 5: which they cannot escape. First step in that is we 209 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 5: have to be able to protect oil and natural gas 210 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: in the Gulf and in Saudi Arabia. And we're you know, 211 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 5: shooting down ninety percent of the drones is great. If 212 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 5: ten percent of the drones still get through, that's too many, right. 213 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it still causes damage. 214 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam, before we let you go, I had I 215 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: was in another state and I had a friend who 216 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: asked me, you know, what more should the Iranian people 217 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: be doing to assist in the overthrow of their own country. 218 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: I know that they live in fear of this regime, 219 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: they have been forced to for the last forty seven years, 220 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: But is there anything they can do as far as 221 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: uprising to assist in the overthrow? 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: Is it possible for there to be an overthrow of 223 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: the regime? Yeah? Today? 224 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 6: No? 225 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: Are they organized enough, armed enough? 226 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 7: No? 227 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 5: I mean having participated in that kind of activity on 228 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 5: behalf of our government. The actual amount of infrastructure you've 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: got to build, the legwork you got to do, the support, 230 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 5: the training, the weapons. You know, it's not just ask 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: everybody to go out in the street tomorrow. It takes 232 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 5: a lot of work. They are not anywhere close to that. 233 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 5: The regime killed thirty thousand demonstrators recently. They'll kill three 234 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 5: hundred thousand in the street and not bad. And I 235 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 5: that's you're talking about, very very ruthless guys. 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, very realistic. Sam. For everyone who's watching, you have 237 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: an incredible subsect. You do great work. What's the best 238 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: way for people to follow all your great work? I 239 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: think you're a must read person every day. What's the 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: best way for us to stay in touch with you? 241 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 5: Or A and magazine, an D magazine dot substack dot com. 242 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I highly suggest folks read it. Sam does some 243 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: of the best work on this issue, and he's been 244 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: right over the target on all of the key issues 245 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: surrounding this operation. Sarah, great honor to have you on 246 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: this show again. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, Yeah, what 247 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: a great conversation. All right, folks, when we come back, 248 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: you remember when those fifty one intelligence officers told you 249 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: don't believe one hundred Byton Loptop. You were supposed to 250 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: because it was true, but there was a a lot 251 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: of censorship that went around that. It's happening again, believe 252 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: it or not. The new movie coming out about the 253 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: hundred bind laptop and the whistleblowers. It's being censent on 254 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: social media. We're going to cover that next year. You're 255 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: going to be mad when you watch the next segment, 256 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: but better to be informal. Have that next right after 257 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: these messages. Hey, folks, I want to take a minute 258 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: to talk about something that affects almost every single person 259 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: watching the show, Medicare. And I'll be honest with you. 260 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: Medicare is confusing, Part A, Part B, Part C, Part D, 261 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: advantage plans, supplements. 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You've earned the 276 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: right to get this decision right. Let AMAC help you 277 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: do it. 278 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 8: We chuse unity of her division, we use signs over fission, 279 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 8: and yes, we choose shoot over live. 280 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 9: Ra Biden is providing millions of dollars for the benefit 281 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 9: of the Biden family through an influence pedaling scheme. 282 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: My name's Gary Shapley. I'm a supervisor. 283 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 9: Special Agent of the International Tax and Plannership Creditors. Hunter 284 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 9: Biden's laptop was a smoking gun. It connected Joe Biden 285 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,479 Speaker 9: to Hunter Biden's businesses. 286 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: All right, folks, you know how often I talk about 287 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: the importance of whistleblowers on the show. In forty years 288 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: of reporting, whistleblowers have changed the world more than once. 289 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: What you just saw was part of the trailer for 290 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: the new documentary Shielded by Power, which is a story 291 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: about two of the most courageous whistleblowers I've ever met. 292 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: It tells the inside story of the Hunter Biden tax 293 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: investigation through the voices of Gary Shapley and his fellow 294 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: workers who were whistleblowers who risked everything to expose that scandal. 295 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Joining us now to talk about it. Two of the 296 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: men behind that documentary, Empower Oversight President Tristan Levitt and 297 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: Chris Dodge, the founder of Ruistion Predictions, who's helping make 298 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: that movie. Tristan, Chris, great to have you on the show. 299 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 10: Well, thanks for having us, John appreciate it. 300 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: All right, We all know on a trip down memory 301 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: lane that the Hunter Biden's story started with a lot 302 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: of censorship. My reporting in twenty nineteen, censored in part 303 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: by the work of the whistleblower who tried to fake 304 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: whistlebler who tried to suggest that the Hunter Biden story 305 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: wasn't true. Then Miranda's work, Branda Devine's work on the 306 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: laptop censored again back in the twenty twenty election. You 307 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: guys are trying to get this movie out, and if 308 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I understand, Tristan, you run into a little bit of 309 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: censorship on social media all over again. That's right. 310 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 11: So this is a film that is mostly completed in 311 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 11: terms of the interviews, but there is a campaign that 312 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 11: we launched several weeks ago to raise the money to 313 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 11: finish the production of the film, which Chris Dodge has 314 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 11: been leading out on, and to do that, we need 315 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 11: to run ads, right, we need to get the message 316 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 11: out to people that this is a documentary that we 317 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 11: want to finish. And so we've gone through all the hoops, 318 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 11: jumped through all the things that have been required of 319 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 11: us by X by Meta, which has both Facebook and Instagram, 320 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 11: and even by Google, and repeatedly our ads campaigns have 321 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 11: been shut down. No ads have been run. The same 322 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 11: entities that suppressed the Biden story when the laptop first 323 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 11: came out seemed determined that we not run any ads 324 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 11: on their platforms. 325 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable, Chris, this is an incredible movie. The 326 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: facts are no longer in debt. Back in twenty nineteen, 327 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: if you believe that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden did 328 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: something wrong, you recalled a conspiracy theorist. If you believe 329 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: the laptop was real. You were told you're a Russian 330 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: disinformation artist. Everything in this movie is now documented by 331 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: evidence in the courts, in the Congress, through reporters like 332 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: myself and Miranda and others, and yet there's a resistance 333 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: to it. Where does that resistance come from? 334 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 10: You know, I'm not sure, John. I spent the last 335 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 10: year really trying to get this film out to the 336 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 10: traditional distribution systems, the traditional Hollywood system. You see lots 337 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 10: of incredible documentaries on social issues in places like Netflix 338 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 10: and HBO, and all of the middlemen in Hollywood say, oh, 339 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 10: we're not interested in a social issues a social issues documentary. 340 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 10: And I find that to be challenging because we've had 341 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 10: so many incredible stories out there about things like Epstein 342 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 10: and p Diddy and all these other, you know, scandals, 343 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 10: and yet we can't get this story out there that 344 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 10: was suppressed in the media and the twenty twenty election cycle. 345 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is remarkable, Chris. Let me stay with you 346 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: for a second. You got to meet all the players 347 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: in this drama. You got to chronicle all of the 348 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: resistance that they faced, all of the pressure. What's the 349 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: most surprising thing when people are going to watch this 350 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: movie and it will get out. It's so important. What 351 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: will be one of the most surprising things that most 352 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: Americans will wake up to when they read it. 353 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 10: I think really actually understanding how the quote unquote deep 354 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 10: state actually functions. This is a documentation on how the 355 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 10: Department of Justice actually stopped a criminal investigation on the 356 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 10: parts of. 357 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: Gary and Joe. 358 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 10: And they were doing their job as i US investigators 359 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 10: and agents, and they were stopped at every single way 360 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 10: that they could be stopped, they were stopped. And to 361 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 10: make it worse, I think we actually look at the 362 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 10: documentation and the first hand accounts from gentlemen like yourself 363 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 10: and Matt Tayibi, Miranda Devine, Mike Ben's incredible journalists who 364 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 10: show that the FBI had the back door access to 365 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 10: suppress the story. And I think that that suppression is 366 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 10: still a danger to Americans today, and we need to 367 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 10: get out there and actually pay attention to the fact 368 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 10: that our media channels are not free. We do not 369 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 10: have a free and open press, and I'm thankful for 370 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 10: programs like yours to try to get out there and 371 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 10: actually make a difference telling the stories that are actually 372 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 10: happening out there. 373 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that suppression is real. I think a lot 374 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: of people thought, well, we elected Donald Trump in twenty 375 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: twenty four, the government's no longer doing it. But there 376 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: are so many secret hands in the media world, in 377 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: the social media world, the big tech world that still 378 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: can suppress something. Tristan, you sent a letter to members 379 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: of Congress in the last few days chronicling the concerns 380 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: of what you experienced when you tried to advertise and 381 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: promote this movie. What's been the response from Congress? Will 382 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: Congress dig into this? 383 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 11: We have been in communication with a couple of different offices. 384 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 11: We do hope that they will dig in. It's difficult because, 385 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 11: you know, on the one hand, again, this is a 386 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 11: private project, right Unlike before, we were kind of helping 387 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 11: the whistleblowers to expose to Congress the things that they saw. Here, 388 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 11: we're trying to tell the story. So I think generally 389 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 11: Congress doesn't try to wade into private projects like this, 390 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 11: But this is an instance where again some of the 391 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 11: same players, like you know, Mark Zuckerberg came to Congress 392 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 11: after the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story and said, 393 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 11: this is totally our fault. You know, we should not 394 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 11: have done that, we won't do it again, and so 395 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 11: again to be stuck in this Kafka esque series of 396 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 11: maneuvers from Facebook where they tell you you're approved, then 397 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 11: you're not approved. One point, they took our social media 398 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 11: ad manager, who's a very experienced person that we contracted 399 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 11: with for this project. He's worked in Hollywood for quite 400 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 11: some time, but he is a conservative. His entire account 401 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 11: was suspended when we first listed this, and so, you know, 402 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 11: on the one hand, Facebook and say, well, you just 403 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 11: need to do X, Y or Z, but it seems 404 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 11: very clear to us that there's this pattern that we 405 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 11: keep getting suspended on these platforms just because this is 406 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 11: the project we're advertising, the same trailer you showed a 407 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 11: portion of. That's what we've submitted, and their unwillingness to 408 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 11: show it. We think it's important for Congress to know 409 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 11: that some things seem to have not change despite what 410 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 11: these big social media companies are claiming to Congress. 411 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: So interesting you for years represented and protected whistleblowers in Congress. 412 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: You work with Center Grausei staff. I think he's the 413 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: godfather of the modern whistle blower movement in America. So 414 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: many big things have run through his office over the 415 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: last forty years. Chris, you make movies. I don't think 416 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: you could find two more extraordinary characters, both as whistleblowers 417 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: or as storytellers in a documentary than these two guys. 418 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Joe Ziegler is a Democrat. He's going up against his 419 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: own parties machines because he knows it's the right thing 420 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: to do. Gary Shapley is one of the most accomplished 421 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: IRS agents in the recent history of the IRS, and 422 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: he can't get anything off the ground because people don't 423 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: want this case. How does this story from a Hollywood 424 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: perspective ring? I mean, the truth is it's all non fiction, 425 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: but it has characters that would make even a fiction 426 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: movie pretty exciting. 427 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 10: I think the story is absolutely incredible, John, I mean 428 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 10: when you look at all of the things these guys 429 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 10: went through for five years they worked on this case 430 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 10: before they were thrown off, before they came forward in Congress, 431 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 10: and then even the cast of characters that extends beyond that, 432 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 10: with House Chairman Jason Smith and Jim Jordan and James 433 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 10: Comer that helped these guys have the forum the platform 434 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 10: to actually speak about these things. Senator Juck Grassley, for 435 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 10: fighting the FBI for transparency. And when you are digging 436 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 10: through all of this, there's been so many books written 437 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 10: on this topic and you dig down into the weeds, 438 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 10: it is incredible the level of detail that you find 439 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 10: that all of these departments are working together to cover 440 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 10: up is an obvious crime. What is an obvious embezzlement 441 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 10: of American money and this first family basically taking advantage 442 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 10: of the executive branch, and so much was done to 443 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 10: cover that up. And so we're just trying to tell 444 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 10: the definitive story about what is fact and really try 445 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 10: to get that out there because it's important that we 446 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 10: put a capstone on this and say, look, this is 447 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 10: the history of this. Let's not let this go by 448 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 10: and not allow American people to understand. 449 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: I think viewers of your. 450 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 10: Program know this very well because if you're reporting, but 451 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 10: there's still a big majority out there and allowed people 452 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 10: love watching video content and documentaries, and that's our goal 453 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 10: is to get that story out there. 454 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we know everything that occurred from impeachment forward on 455 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: the Biden family. Soon, I think we're going to learn 456 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: what happened in the intelligence community that led to the 457 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine impeachment of twenty nineteen. It's probably going to be 458 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: another chilling story that we're all going to be scratching 459 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: ahead about when we get that evidence. But folks, in 460 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: the meantime, get ready for this incredible documentary. Hey, if 461 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: you've got a Facebook account, send a note to Facebook 462 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: Support and saying I don't like what's going on with 463 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: the ads involving Shielded by Power. Let free speech rain 464 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Go tell them that today, Fellas, when do 465 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: you expect this movie to be in the marketplace? 466 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 11: It we can get people to go to Shielded by 467 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 11: Power if we can complete this movie, that's what we need. 468 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: So if we can get. 469 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 11: The support there of people going that, we hope to 470 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 11: have it done by August. 471 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: I love it. Folks, go make a donation, Go make this. 472 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: This is a crowd source opportunity to get the truth 473 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: through a lot of people who might still not really 474 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: know what happened shield by Power. Incredible, incredible movie. Gentlemen, 475 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the work you're doing and 476 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: what you're going to deliver to the American people. Great 477 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: to have you on the show tonight. All right, folks, 478 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: quick commercial break. More around the corner the messages, Hey, Folcus. 479 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Native Path grass 480 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: fed Collagen for better bones, joined skin here and nails. 481 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: Here's something that generalinly surprise me. 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That's 500 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: get natopath dot com slash just news. 501 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. 502 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: The fallout from yesterday's announce seeshire with Iran is still 503 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: coming in, and there's been a lot of talk about 504 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: what a potential peace deal could actually look like, with 505 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: Iranian and American plans seemingly looking very, very different. And 506 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: this is all being negotiated under the backdrop of military pressure, 507 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: because whenever it can be said about the war, we 508 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: can definitively say that American military might has absolutely crushed 509 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: the Iranians conventional forces. So what does it mean going 510 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: forward and how can the Trump administration continue to put 511 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: pressure on a potentially fractured Iranian regime. Joining us now 512 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: to talk about this and more as someone who's got 513 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: a lot of insight into it, he's former Special Assistant 514 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 2: in the Office of the Secretary of Defense and currently 515 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: the Dean of Academics at the Institute of World of Politics, 516 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: Doctor James Robbins, Sir, thank you so much for being with. 517 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 12: Us, Hi Amanda, thanks for having me. 518 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 519 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: All right, this it's going to be prickly for sure, 520 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 2: this two week ceasefire. It sounds like there have already 521 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: been some rogue things flying back and forth, but of 522 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: course it's the initial hours of that, so that's possibly 523 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: to be expected. Do you anticipate the two weeks from 524 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: now we will be saying, well, that went. 525 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 12: Well, Well it isn't even really going well two hours 526 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 12: into it. I think people have to look at the 527 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 12: Israeli Hamas negotiations and how that worked, where you'd have 528 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 12: a ceasefire and then it would be broken, and then 529 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 12: there'd be more negotiation and maybe there'd be another ceasefire, 530 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 12: and it was very non linear. So if people think 531 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 12: that you can just declare a ceasefire with Iran and 532 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 12: it will stick, or they won't add conditions, or they 533 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 12: won't say well it didn't apply to Israel or some 534 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 12: other thing like that, no, that's not how it works. 535 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 12: So hopefully the ceasefire will hold. But we'll have to 536 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 12: wait and see. 537 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: James, what does it say about their efforts to actually 538 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 2: come to an agreement and I guess their view on 539 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: this conflict overall, the fact that they came forward with 540 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: these ten points that, according to Press Secretary of Caroline Levitt, 541 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: literally went straight into the trash bin because it was 542 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: just such a ridiculous pie in the sky wish list 543 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: from Iran, What does it say about their good faith efforts? 544 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 12: Well, the Iranians are very good at negotiating. They come 545 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 12: up with these ten points that are basically their wish list. 546 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 12: They're all non starters, but they all reflect the things 547 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 12: that they were demanding even before the war started. They're 548 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 12: treating it almost as though the war didn't happen, and 549 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 12: that the destruction of their government and scream leader and 550 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 12: things like that, they're not even recognizing it. They're just 551 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 12: going along like they're winning. And in fact they declare 552 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 12: that the United States is lost, that the fact that 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 12: there's a ceasefire proves it, and that they will go 554 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 12: forward with that. And again it's the same with Hamas. 555 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 12: It's exactly the same strategy because they know that whereas 556 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 12: on the military battlefield they are definitely at a disadvantage 557 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 12: when it comes to negotiating, they see themselves as being 558 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 12: better than us, that they have an advantage. So they're 559 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 12: going to milk this diplomatic process for everything it's worth 560 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 12: and our negotiators are going to have to be willing 561 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 12: to just walk away from this process at some point 562 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 12: because Iran is going to stick to its maximalist demands 563 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 12: and they're not going to give an inch on what 564 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 12: we want from them. 565 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: What is their strategic bargaining chip because they militarily, they 566 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: obviously have been crushed by our military. They've ticked off 567 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: pretty much all of their neighbors. Is it just the 568 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: Straits of Hormuz? 569 00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I think. 570 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 12: I think that they look at the economic chaos that 571 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 12: they tried to generate, which, by the way, they were 572 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 12: saying oil was going to go to two hundred of barrelka. 573 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 12: It only went to one hundred and twenty at the worst, 574 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 12: which by the way, was about where it was under 575 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 12: Barack Obama even without a war. But they see the 576 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 12: chaos and the political pressure and the energy markets and 577 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 12: other things that were the result of their attacks on 578 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 12: their neighbors and closing the straits as being successful. The 579 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 12: fact that we went to a ceasefire they see that 580 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 12: as being a direct result of that. So that's what 581 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 12: they see as their leverage that if the war goes 582 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 12: back on, that they can go back to run that 583 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 12: same playbook and they don't have the same effects. So 584 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 12: the United States has to be aware that the Iranians 585 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 12: seemed to be willing to let the ceasefire collapse. I mean, 586 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 12: they didn't actually cease fire. They kept firing at Israel 587 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 12: and kept firing at their neighbors, which they now say 588 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 12: should be part of the deal that the Warren Lebanon 589 00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 12: has to stop. 590 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: Again. 591 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 12: They're just you know, increasing their demands. So that's what's 592 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 12: going on. If our negotiators think it's just a linear 593 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 12: playbook where we're actually trying to find a solution or 594 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 12: a compromise, that's not how the Iranians are treating it. 595 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: When President Trump retook office last January, it wasn't even 596 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: a day one priority. 597 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: It was an hour one priority. 598 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: Practically, President Trump unleashing American energy production. We are now 599 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: at a place where, as President Trump articulated last week 600 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: in his addresses to the nation, we don't necessarily need 601 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: a lot of what is going through the straits of hormusin. 602 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: President Trump said, therefore, it's up to those countries that 603 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: are reliant on those products that go through the straits 604 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: to secure it. It seems to me that there's one 605 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: country out there who President Trump indirectly was making a 606 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: clear and open negotiation to, and that was China, because 607 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: China needs the straits to be open. Did it come 608 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: across to you like that? Do you think that that 609 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: was a message message to China? 610 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: Yes? 611 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 12: And it's interesting that the Chinese were the ones who 612 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 12: were trying to pressure the Iranians to go to the ceasefire, 613 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 12: and that Iran had been critical of the straight closure 614 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 12: strategy from the beginning. 615 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if. 616 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 12: We want to see Iran taking up a mission of 617 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 12: securing any kind of straits with their navy, Because the 618 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 12: Iranians are building up their navy and they're looking for 619 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 12: a global presence and to kind of suggests that maybe 620 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 12: this is good for them, I don't know that that 621 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 12: would be the kind of mission we would like to see. 622 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 12: And particularly when you talk about straits, I mean the 623 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 12: Strait of Taiwan is the strait that the Chinese are 624 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 12: most interested in, and the US has always maintained that 625 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 12: we have freedom of navigation through that strait, just as 626 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 12: we have freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz. 627 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 12: So standing on the principle of that of maintaining that 628 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 12: navigational freedom. I think is a lot more important to 629 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 12: say that China should play a role in securing the 630 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 12: Straight well, so long as it's a non military role. Maybe, 631 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 12: but I I really don't think we want to see 632 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 12: Chinese navy patrolling the Persian Gulf. 633 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: I think that is exactly right. I want to ask you. 634 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: You know, President Trump has a remarkably warm relationship with 635 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda, even though leaving NATO is 636 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: something that President Trump has talked about since before he 637 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: was an even president in his first term. So amid 638 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: all of these negotiations, there has been an appeal from 639 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: President Trump to NATO member nations to assist us in 640 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 2: securing the Straits, assisting us in this conflict in general, 641 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: and yet it has been for the most part closed doors. 642 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: Does that surprise you and do you anticipate that this 643 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: could move President Trump into a position where he can 644 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: justifiably say, fine, we're out. 645 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 12: Well, the Europeans certainly did not read the room, that 646 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 12: is clear. It is one thing to say on a 647 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 12: technical side that like, this wasn't a NATO mission because 648 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 12: NATO wasn't attacked, or NATO wasn't involved, but by the way, 649 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 12: Turkey was attacked, and Turkey is a NATO member, But 650 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 12: put that aside. To say things like you can't use bases, 651 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 12: you can't have overfly rights. It's one thing to say 652 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 12: you will not send military forces to an out of 653 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 12: area engagement. Okay, that's fine, it's not a NATO thing, 654 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 12: and we get that. But to actively impede the United 655 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 12: States in conducting this mission, that is absurd. I mean, 656 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 12: that's really where the Europeans crossed the line. And now 657 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 12: they're kind of backtracking and saying, you know, well, we 658 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 12: didn't mean that or whatever they're saying, but they really 659 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 12: gave an opening to the people on the Republican side 660 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 12: who were against NATO to say, look, this alliance is 661 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 12: worthless to us. 662 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: If they're doctor Robinson's so sorry, we've got it. We've 663 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: got to cut you off, but we're going to get 664 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: you back on very soon. It's such an important, important topic. 665 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 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But that's kind of 703 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: the scariest part about it is the unknowns. 704 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, the uncertainty. We were just chatting about it before 705 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 6: jumping on. Is that's the only thing I'm certain about, 706 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 6: is the uncertainty. Yeah, Amanda, John, this is what Wall 707 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 6: Street doesn't want us talking about. You know, when investors 708 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 6: try and pull their money out of these funds, We're 709 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 6: talking billions of dollars. They're being told they can't, or 710 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 6: they're being restricted, they're capping the amount that they can 711 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 6: give out. You know, this isn't two thousand and eight 712 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 6: all over again. It's something different. These institutions took retirement 713 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 6: accounts like four oh one k's pension funds and put 714 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 6: them into ill liquid, high risk positions. Now when people 715 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 6: need their money back, they're being told that they can't 716 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 6: get it. The door is locked. And I'm talking Morgan, Stanley, Goldman, Sachs, 717 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 6: Wells Fargo. They're all tied up in private credit funds, 718 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 6: real estate funds, equity funds. They can't unwind them and 719 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 6: they would take massive losses if they would. So you 720 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 6: know it's going to affect retirees. Don't be don't be 721 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 6: like faked out with these headlines when the market jumps 722 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 6: that that's something that people really need to pay attention to, 723 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 6: you guys, it's scary stuff for sure. 724 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, Shannon, I've been watching this Blackrock. I think set 725 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: off red alarms when they said they're managing risk and 726 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: then people say what risk? And they answer is big risk? 727 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: What what are the driving forces that have made the 728 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: head funds more I liquid? And how big is the 729 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: commercial real estate pressure right now? And adding to that challenge. 730 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question with the real estate on 731 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 6: the commercial end and we'll talk a little bit about 732 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 6: that for sure. But you know, with with the with Blackstone, 733 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 6: black Rock, you know, they're they don't have the cash. 734 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 6: You know, these these firms promised liquid assets or access 735 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 6: to their money, but they don't have it. They've invested 736 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 6: into real estate, right, commercial real estate that is imploding 737 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 6: private equities, AI, AI startups, structured products. You know, right 738 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 6: now one out of five major metropolitan areas that the 739 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 6: buildings are sitting empty. So the system right now, it's 740 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 6: freezing up retail investors and retirees everyday Americans. They're trapped 741 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 6: in some of these funds. And again, John, they're being 742 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 6: told that they can't have it, and so yeah, it's 743 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 6: an IOU basically, it's what they're being told. 744 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: John and Amanda. 745 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that I owe you, you know, robbing 746 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: Peter to pay Paul. What happens on a granular level 747 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: for our viewers, for people who have investments through some 748 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 2: of these major firms like Blackrock, what should they do 749 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: to keep from being affected by it? 750 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? 751 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 6: Well, I mean history is very clear. Every time the 752 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 6: financial system gets stretched. I mean we can go back 753 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 6: to nineteen seventy one when Nixon closed the gold window 754 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 6: two thousand, two thousand and eight, twenty fifteen, twenty twenty two. 755 00:39:54,200 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 6: It's it's called diversify your assets into something tangible and 756 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 6: and that's why, you know, gold has held its value 757 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 6: for a very very long time, and they just need 758 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 6: to be They need to prepare and not be reactive, 759 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 6: be proactive and diversify into something outside paper assets and 760 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 6: the dollar that is struggling right now. 761 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean, I want to talk a little bit about 762 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: the pressures that any war action, any military action like 763 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: extended time like we have an Iran right now, always 764 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: has a chance because you're printing money to drive up inflation. 765 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: There's some early warning signs that the path that the 766 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: Fed was on, which was getting towards cutting rates and 767 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: they cut a few times down, might be stopped for 768 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: a while because of that inflationary pressure. How does that 769 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: factor into this bigger picture with the hedge funds having 770 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: some liquidity issues and just general uncertainty in the financial markets. 771 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's huge. Inflation has always been sticky, I 772 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 6: think that's the word that they use, sticky. But yeah, 773 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 6: things are getting more expensive. We'll never go back to 774 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 6: you know, pre COVID. You know, pricing. I think you 775 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 6: know in today's times, our dollar bill just does not 776 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 6: buy what it used to buy, and they're not. I 777 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 6: feel like they haven't moved on the interest rates in 778 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 6: quite some time. It's they they've drawn a line in 779 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 6: the sand, and it's affecting people's purchasing power, it's eroding 780 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 6: their savings. And this is why gold and silver is 781 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 6: always inverse to that relationship and why it always does well. Yep, 782 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 6: we've had some corrections here, but it's because of what's 783 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 6: going on in the Middle East and we've got a 784 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 6: huge energy crisis and these Asian countries are liquidating their 785 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 6: gold to pay for the energy needs that they have. 786 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 6: If they didn't have the gold to liquidate, they'd be 787 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 6: in trouble right now. So that's how powerful on a 788 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 6: global scale gold is. But interest rates, we're gonna have 789 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 6: to hold on for at least another thirty to forty 790 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 6: five days and ntil that seat changes, because we're not 791 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 6: going to see a change there, and it's going to 792 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 6: continue to squeeze individuals dollars from both ends, for sure. 793 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 3: Shannon. 794 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: I know you guys provide a very, very wide range 795 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 2: of products and assets. 796 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 3: Do you have a. 797 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 2: Preference of physical gold versus something in an ira? Do 798 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 2: you think one is better than the other when it 799 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 2: comes to security. 800 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 6: Now, it really depends on what the strategy is that 801 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 6: we're able to break down with any of our customers, 802 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 6: right if they're sixty five, seventy five, eighty five, whatever 803 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 6: their age is, it really just depends on what they're 804 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 6: looking to do. Platinum you can put into your retirement account. 805 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 6: Palladium you can put into your retirement account. There's a 806 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,959 Speaker 6: huge demand for it and very little supply, so that's 807 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 6: always going to drive up the value. Silver obviously that 808 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 6: it's a call opportunity to buy again. And gold is 809 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 6: always going to be your just your stable go to. Now, 810 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 6: Gold's job isn't to pay two percent or four percent. 811 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 6: Its job is to be there when everything else isn't. 812 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 6: When banks close, when Blackstone or black Rock tell you 813 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 6: they can't, they won't send you the redemption payments. That's 814 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 6: why you want to have that type of asset in 815 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 6: your retirement account. And there's nothing more liquid than than 816 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 6: gold and silver, platinum and palladium. I was just explaining 817 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 6: to you, like Global League countries are funding their energy 818 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 6: needs with Gold. 819 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: It's powerful, stunning. 820 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, amaze you American Alternative Assets, Shannon Davis. 821 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure having you with us. Thanks for being here. 822 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 6: Love it, Thank you guys. 823 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: Have a great day. 824 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you you too, you too. 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You can 838 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: also use a phone number you can call eight five 839 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: five Gold three forty. 840 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 3: Do it today before the next headline hits. All right, everybody, 841 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 3: we're going to take a very. 842 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 7: Quick break and we'll be back to finish up on 843 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 7: the other side. 844 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the final segment. John, I know you 845 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 2: have probably seen these comments from service members on social media, 846 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 2: but also service members who I've spoken to in person. 847 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 2: The comparison between former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of 848 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 2: Staff Mark Milly to now General Dan Kane, and their 849 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 2: ethos really going from a place where dei and wokeness 850 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,919 Speaker 2: was valued and now to a place where military preparedness 851 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 2: and that fighting spirit has been restored. So, guys, I 852 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 2: just want to play SAT too, because we have Chairman 853 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 2: Dan Kane discussing what the seaesfire means. 854 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 3: Check it out. 855 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 8: Every factory that produced Shahed one way attack drones was struck. 856 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 8: Every factory that produces the guidance systems that go into 857 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 8: those drones was struck. Their missile defense industrial base is shattered, 858 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 8: with more than eighty percent of their missile facilities gone, 859 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 8: as well as their solid rocket motor production capability. It 860 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 8: will take years for Iran to rebuild any major surface combatants, 861 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 8: as more than twenty naval production and fabrication facilities have 862 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 8: been damaged or destroyed, and nearly eighty percent of Around's 863 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 8: nuclear industrial base was hit, further degrading their attempts to 864 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 8: attain a nuclear weapon. 865 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 2: John, as you and our audience just saw moments of sobriety, 866 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 2: they're laying out exactly what has happened the goals that 867 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 2: have been achieved. But there was also a moment of 868 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 2: levity earlier when he was talking about what was required 869 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 2: in the practical world for our troops, talking about copious 870 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 2: amounts of caffeine, energy drinks and nicotine. He said, I 871 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 2: think we might have a problem, but this, yeah, there 872 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 2: is definitely not a problem. 873 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: Listen, this war was phased in with really great precision. 874 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: Phase one, take out their air defenses, then take out 875 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: their navy, then take out their air force, then take 876 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: out their missile ranges, then go after the industrial military 877 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: complex so that they couldn't rebuild and resupplied. And the 878 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: impact of this is not just on Iran. Russia can't 879 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: count on iron anymore to make all those drones that 880 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: they were using against you. That's going to hamper and 881 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: potentially bring putin to a different negotiating position very quickly. 882 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 1: So this is a three dimensional victory not only against Iran, 883 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: but Russia, particularly in China in some degrees because they're 884 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: suffering right now without the oil from Iran. So a 885 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: very interesting assessment by dan Kin. And you're right, you 886 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: can tell we're under a new sheriff. 887 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking Ukraine, I want to get to your 888 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 2: tea's in just a moment, because you've got some explosive 889 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 2: documents and information that you're going to roll out tomorrow. 890 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 2: But as an non sequitor, I want to throw out 891 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 2: this clip of Democrat Representative Roekan talking about President Trump 892 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 2: and whether he should remain in office. This is what 893 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 2: we're hearing from a lot of Democrats right now. 894 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: Check it out. 895 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 13: You were one of the members of Congress that was 896 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 13: out there today calling to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. 897 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: Of the United States. 898 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 13: Walk me through how you would see that working this cabinet, 899 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 13: this Trump cabinet, which would be required, including the Vice president, 900 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 13: which would be required to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. 901 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 13: They are not exactly profiles and courage to will and 902 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 13: shown a willingness to stand up to Donald Trump. 903 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 4: Yet we need to remove this president. 904 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 5: We need to use all options, whether it's impeachment, whether 905 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 5: it's the twenty fifth Amendment. 906 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 3: Impeachment. 907 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 2: You say, well, John, I know that that pertains to 908 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 2: the documents you have for tomorrow. 909 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 3: Tell us about it. 910 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we've always said on this show that Russia 911 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: and Ukraine scandals were tied together. That was the theme 912 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: of my book in twenty twenty. We are going to 913 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: deliver some bombshell new proof tomorrow night. It's going to 914 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 1: show exactly what the intelligence community knew about the officer 915 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: and his story who prompted Ukraine impeachment. Bombshell information. It 916 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: should never have gotten to an impeachment when people see this. 917 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: But the evidence we're going to show you tomorrow night 918 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: was never given to the senators who sat as jurors. 919 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: It was never given to President Trump's defense lawyers even 920 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: though it was exculpatory, and it was never given to 921 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: the impeachment managers. So they were flying blind on the 922 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: very thing that started the entire impeachment back in twenty nineteen. 923 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: We all know now that the hunter Biden did have 924 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: a crap relationship, he did have a tax problem, the 925 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: things that President Trump wanted to investigated. But now we're 926 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: going to let you know that the intelligence community who 927 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: started that impeachment knew they had major problems with the 928 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: story that the whistleblower, the alleged whistle blower, I'm not 929 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: going to call him a whistleblower gave. That's what we're 930 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: going to lay out tomorrow night. It's gonna be a 931 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah. 932 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 2: Well, and John, this is kind of a pattern, isn't it. 933 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: It is a pattern. Yep, washprints for Pete exactly. 934 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter if you have the goods, as long 935 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 2: as you got the guy that you want to have 936 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 2: the goods on, then that's really. 937 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: All that was all about. Getting sh It's true. 938 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the quote about if you have the fact, 939 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 2: pound the facts. If you don't have the facts, pound 940 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 2: the table. And that's exactly what they did in that committee. 941 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, that's all the time we have for 942 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 2: this evening, but we will be back here tomorrow night 943 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 2: at the same time. 944 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 3: Have a good one.