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Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of fascinating stuff on today's program,

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Speaker 5: That's a little teaser of what's to come.

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Speaker 4: Ryan has some really great original reporting to share later

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Speaker 3: And a couple of things that we don't have time

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Speaker 3: to get to. Yes, if you missed the Katie Porter interview,

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Speaker 3: it's good viral, go find it incredible. She's like, let

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Speaker 3: it's really incredible.

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Speaker 5: Mission accomplished.

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Speaker 3: The background on her, the knock on her in the

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Speaker 3: also to some other members. Her defender said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that's sexist. She's just tough. Oh you go ahead and

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Speaker 3: watch this clip. You tell me who I was right

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Speaker 3: about that. We also maybe we'll get to cover this

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Speaker 3: the Virginia election at some point, but there's this wild

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Speaker 3: ag scandal going on. It's a disaster, and a guy

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Speaker 3: sending out death threats or something. I don't know whole

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Speaker 3: thing is incredible, might cost Democrats every day in Virginia.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. As I was mentioned in the show yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Alex Coulson, the Drop Site, our Drop site, journal colleague,

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Speaker 3: and more than one hundred others were released from Israeli prison.

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Speaker 3: But overnight nine more ships were illegally seized by Israel

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Speaker 3: More than one hundred and fifty doctors, journalists, nurses on

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Speaker 3: now in the hands of the Israelis.

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Speaker 4: And Pambonni was testifying in the Senate yesterday, so a

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Speaker 4: a lot of questions about Epstein, but also some questions

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Speaker 4: stay tuned for the highlights and low lights of Pambondi's testimony.

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Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo making the rounds talking to Stephanie Rule, talking

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Speaker 4: There's also we're going to be talking one of the

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Speaker 4: journalists who broke a story wide open about the Argentinian

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Speaker 4: bailout that we covered last week in the soybean context.

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Speaker 4: Is what we talked about last week, But actually, how

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Speaker 4: did that money from the United States end up going

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Speaker 5: Why is probably the better way to put it.

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Speaker 4: Why did that money end up going There are many explanations,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Yep. Yeah, you Henny O, You Hennet Muzio will

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when nsml's here at home, But that's okay.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever, don't worry about it. Okay, So should we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll talk about some David Froumm and

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Speaker 4: That's right, because you yeah, that's this is the tease.

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Speaker 4: reporting that I was going to say dropped that drops

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll also have as well. Also got

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Speaker 3: to the negro a Mota Zabie about that program. It's

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Speaker 3: just like, how do you even keep your head around

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Speaker 4: I don't know, But I'm glad that at least it's

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Speaker 3: It's spots all the way down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's get to the shutdown. So yesterday

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump took questions in the Oval office. We're going

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Speaker 4: to bring you some of those comments basically centered around

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Speaker 4: his insight into how Democrats should be handling this. But

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Speaker 4: before we do, that's what Trump is going to be

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Speaker 4: talking about. It's what the conversation was about on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 4: is this question of back pay for furloughed workers. The

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Speaker 4: Trump administration is actually insisting that it can just get

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Speaker 6: Seventy five million Americans voted for a Democrat in this

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Speaker 6: last round of presidential elections, and at this moment they

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Speaker 6: have zero power at the federal level, not in the House,

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Speaker 6: seventy five million votes. Not a moment at present. The

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Speaker 6: That was the big win. And then suddenly a small

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Speaker 6: ask for people's preservation of healthcare is a Molotov cocktail.

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Speaker 5: I've given him.

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Speaker 6: Democrats an enormous amount of shit for their poor leadership,

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Speaker 6: lack of specific and actionable plans, terrible messaging, abysmal wordplay.

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Speaker 6: Did I mention poor leadership, But standing up for seventy

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Speaker 6: five million Americans in this moment to defend the rights

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Speaker 4: So Donald Trump and Russ Vote wrote the Office of

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Speaker 4: Management and Budget are trying to change the calculus for

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Speaker 4: Democrats away from even what John Stewart is saying there

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Speaker 4: and complicate the shutdown conversation. Let's go ahead and roll

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Speaker 4: this cup of Donald Trump in the Oval Office getting

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Speaker 4: questions about whether federal workers should.

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Speaker 5: Be entitled to back pay.

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Speaker 4: There was a memo from Russ Vote that suggested otherwise,

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Speaker 4: here's here's Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: Is it the White House position?

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Speaker 8: And if forment workers should be paid for.

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Speaker 9: Their that pay?

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Speaker 10: I would say it depends on who we're talking about.

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Speaker 11: I can tell you this.

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Speaker 10: The Democrats have put a lot of people in great

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Speaker 10: talking about. But for the most part, we're going to

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Speaker 10: take care of our people. There are some people that

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Speaker 10: really don't deserve to be taken care of, and we'll

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Speaker 10: take care of them in a different way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that didn't sit well. Actually even with some Republicans.

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Speaker 4: Johnson's website still saying that you actually have to pay

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Speaker 4: back pay to federal workers. Sam Stein picked up on

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Speaker 12: It's not up to the president.

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Speaker 5: I mean, his opinion matters.

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Speaker 12: The Congress has got to appropriate the money. Did you

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Speaker 13: So I think it's legal for federal workers.

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Speaker 12: We've always we've always paid back pay to the military

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Speaker 4: going to read during from NPR here quote the shutdown

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Speaker 4: According to Bridget Dueling, a law professor at the Ohio

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Speaker 4: it's a clear misunderstanding of the differences between temporary lapses

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Speaker 4: The White House, meanwhile, says Democrats have left them no

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Speaker 4: but they've not explained why permanently offs would be necessary

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Speaker 4: another debate about executive power and how the Trump administration

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Speaker 4: All that is to say, I think some of this

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Speaker 4: bigger picture conversation about executive power they're forcing right now.

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Speaker 3: Right and you know, people say, well, it's federal law. Well,

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Speaker 3: there's minimum wages that you have to pay to people

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Speaker 3: there were you know, Kennedy's right. Congress rates some money.

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Speaker 3: If you appropriate it, then you have to give it

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Speaker 3: I didn't like these workers, but I did like these workers.

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Speaker 3: And federal workers are all over the country. There's this

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Speaker 5: So oh yeah, it's like eighty percent of federal workers are.

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Speaker 3: Outside the DC are right, and so, and they all

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Speaker 3: like Kennedy is just wrong because it's not their fault,

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Speaker 3: like these are. I think Kennedy just just gets it

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Speaker 3: on a basic level. These are people who have who

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Speaker 5: It's a complicated question.

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Speaker 5: On Monday.

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Speaker 3: Right, And as we said, they're going like they don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're asking people to like risk just having volunteered

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Speaker 5: We've debated that before.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, they are trying to take away

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Speaker 3: Right, And the way that this should end is that, frankly,

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll get to that one second. What did you

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Speaker 3: That is the argument, that's the thing that like they

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Speaker 4: Well, even the Republican planning includes reimbursements, it's just a

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Speaker 4: So I co signed basically all of that. We can

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Speaker 3: This is aight on before other other good stuff is cooking. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: The toothpaste is out of the tube.

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Speaker 5: This is right. Is this what you were looking for?

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Speaker 4: We are importing doctors from foreign countries because we don't

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Speaker 5: A list of problems goes on and on, ding ding

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Speaker 3: So that's where I would stop her. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: Like so stop, Like what I would say is separate

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Speaker 3: border like zero, Like actually less than zero. We have

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Speaker 3: a net outflow of people. Probably at this point, you're

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Speaker 3: rounding up everybody that's a little bit darker than me,

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Speaker 3: Like you're doing your immigration policy. If you believe that

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Speaker 3: uninsured people getting emergency treatment at hospitals because they can't

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Speaker 3: afford to go to they don't have insurance to just

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Speaker 3: go to a doctor and do it the right way,

446
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Speaker 3: drives up the cost for all of us everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Why you want to do that? Like, if you think

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Speaker 3: that's bad, don't do it. I know that's crazy idea,

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Speaker 3: But if you think it has a bad policy outcome

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Speaker 3: for Americans, you're American only, right, you guys are all

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Speaker 3: American only. So hunting people who are actually here legally,

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Speaker 3: but you don't like their status because you think that

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Speaker 3: Biden shouldn't have given them the status that they currently have,

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Speaker 3: although even though it is legal status and they're illegal,

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Speaker 3: like they're in legal proceedings.

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Speaker 4: Although the hospital reimbursements do cover people who are not here.

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Speaker 3: Legally, right, So do you want the government to do

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Speaker 3: that or do you want the hospitals to charge Americans

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Speaker 3: more when they come in? Like what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Like if you think that prices are too high for

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Speaker 3: your adult children, are you serious about that? If you're

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Speaker 3: serious about that, then an act of policy that makes

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Speaker 3: the prices come down, not something that just needlessly like

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Speaker 3: goes after undocuments and people like you don't like undocumented people.

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Speaker 3: You're showing us that, like there's no mystery you don't

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Speaker 3: like them. You're rounding them up, You're chasing them everywhere,

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Speaker 3: You're throwing them into paddy wagons, you're putting them intense.

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Speaker 3: The alligator Alcatraz is still going. You're you're making things

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Speaker 3: as miserable for them so that they sell the port

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Speaker 3: like you're you're doing it all right, But then why

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Speaker 3: also just for pettiness, drive up Americans health care cross

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Speaker 3: and trying to speak their language here Americans, Americans, Americans right,

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Speaker 3: you're driving up the health insurance costs for Americans just

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Speaker 3: out of some sense of bitterness. Now that gets the argument. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's if if somebody from El Salvador understands that they

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Speaker 3: can get free medical care at a hospital when they

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Speaker 3: have a fever in America, then they're going to run

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Speaker 3: through the Daarien gap and like pay all this money.

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Speaker 17: Like that.

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Speaker 3: It's some pole thing. Stop like that, that's not serious.

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Speaker 4: It does make it significantly easier to live here when

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Speaker 4: you're when you don't have when you're.

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Speaker 3: The only other possibility is not happening, which would be

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Speaker 3: you when you show up at a hospital. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: have to show your papers, and if you don't have

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Speaker 3: the proper papers, you are denied cares. And that's never

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Speaker 3: going to happen. So we're gonna treat people who are here,

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Speaker 3: who are sick and dying. We're gonna do it. So

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Speaker 3: the question is how are we going to do it?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is what I like about her argument is

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Speaker 4: that she's tapping out of this stupid, stupid notion from

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Speaker 4: Republicans that they should have their constituents and American taxpayers

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Speaker 4: who are already paying crazy amounts in their health insurance.

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Speaker 4: They should just expect them to trust that Republicans at

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Speaker 4: some point will fix this broken system and in the

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Speaker 4: meantime hold them hostage to a hike all because Biden

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Speaker 4: is the one that put the subsidies in place, Like

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Speaker 4: it is completely stupid. It's a ridiculous argument.

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Speaker 3: There they did cares have to have some subsidies.

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Speaker 5: It may have, which is true.

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Speaker 3: That was Trump.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it absolutely may have. So twenty twenty one comes

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Speaker 4: from Biden. And that's where you explain. You broke this

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Speaker 4: down in detail last week. That's where a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of the.

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Speaker 4: That's where a lot of the premiums which would be

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Speaker 4: affected because those are expiring at the end of the year,

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Speaker 4: and so the Republican plan to fund the government would

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Speaker 4: strip away those credit or it doesn't extend them after

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Speaker 4: they expire at the end of the year. And this

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Speaker 4: is where Marjorie Taylor Green is tapping into. But this

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Speaker 4: is where Marjorie Dailler Green is actually tapping into something

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Speaker 4: that it should be conventional wisdom. It should be completely

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Speaker 4: obvious to people who are paid stupid amounts of money

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Speaker 4: as lobbyists and consultants to these idiot politicians and Republicans Seriously,

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Speaker 4: people's premiums are going to become They're already insane, they're

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Speaker 4: going to become more insane.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be on your watch.

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Speaker 4: And you're doing all of it just with this vague

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Speaker 4: promise that at some point Republicans are going to fix

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Speaker 4: the entire healthcare system. When they had all of the

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Speaker 4: momentum in the world behind repeal and replace, could not

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Speaker 4: land on a consensus replace part of repeal and replace

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Speaker 4: precisely because of this. And what I like about what

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Speaker 4: Margor Tayler Green is saying is that, like, listen, I

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Speaker 4: think it's true that those Biden era subsidies in the

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Speaker 4: long term actually are and some parts of Obamacare actually

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Speaker 4: are causing healthcare to get more expensive and have over time.

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Speaker 5: I get that.

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Speaker 4: And that's what she's saying too, is like, it's true,

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Speaker 4: but you are not fixing the system. You're just making

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Speaker 4: the system worse by not extending the premiums the relief.

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Speaker 4: And so yes, I get it that in the long term,

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Speaker 4: all of these subsidies are making a bad system worse,

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Speaker 4: But you're not fixing the system, and you're asking people

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Speaker 4: to suffer and pay even more money into a bad

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Speaker 4: system that you are not doing shit about in the process.

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Speaker 4: It's completely it's like the politics of it are insane,

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Speaker 4: the substance and the morality of it is completely insane.

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Speaker 4: And Margor Tayler Green is the only person, the only

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Speaker 4: person out here making this argument for Republicans, like, we

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Speaker 4: hinted at it last week, or at least I did

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Speaker 4: from the right, hinted at it last week, but you

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Speaker 4: absolutely nothing else about it from the right, essentially, even

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Speaker 4: though it seems ryan like a very very obvious point.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. And I don't want to sound

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Speaker 3: too harsh on MPTG here because I'm like, I'm with

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Speaker 3: her on almost all this, and I think she's getting

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Speaker 3: to the right place, Like I think, I think. I

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Speaker 3: think what she's shown herself as willing to do is

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Speaker 3: to be an independent thinker who follows her own logical

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Speaker 3: train to its conclusion, whether or not that conclusion aligns

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Speaker 3: with what she's supposed to think as a partisan, right,

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Speaker 3: because she's supposed to think as a partisan that you're

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Speaker 3: against these subsidies, yes, And but she worked it out independently,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, wait a minute, no, I'm sorry, Like

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Speaker 3: this is not good like, we actually should be for this,

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Speaker 3: so I could. I think that if she's able to

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Speaker 3: miss a giant, if get past this holy legal thing,

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Speaker 3: she'll figure out that, oh yes, uninsured people coming to

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Speaker 3: hospitals causes huge problems to the system, which are then

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Speaker 3: born by Americans who have health insurance. We need to

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Speaker 3: do something about that, whether whether it's some government subsidy

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Speaker 3: for hospitals as which exists and we just buff that

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Speaker 3: up so that it doesn't get passed on to Americans,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, just figure out something, because it shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be the failures of the American government should not be

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Speaker 3: the responsibility of these insured American people. If we're not

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Speaker 3: actually a democracy, like you know, if you're a real

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Speaker 3: democracy and you screw up your policy, then yeah, that's

571
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Speaker 3: on you. But we're not really one, so we should

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Speaker 3: be held a little bit more blameless.

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Speaker 4: And already there's a story here in NBC News. Trump

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Speaker 4: has called senior Republicans to ask quoe, what's going on

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Speaker 4: with Marjorie The answer, MTG has become disillusioned with her party,

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Speaker 4: especially after the White House talked her out of her

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Speaker 4: center bit. Well, I would add to that, I think

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Speaker 4: it's pretty obvious the pushback she's gotten on Israel, as again,

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Speaker 4: she emphasizes an ardent supporter of Israel has been completely

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Speaker 4: transformative for her in the way she looks at her

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Speaker 4: own party. She's never been, you know, a sort of

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Speaker 4: lockstep supporter of the Republican Party. But I just think

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Speaker 4: this is a the bigger point that I'll finish on

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Speaker 4: Ran is just like the blinking red lights should be

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Speaker 4: freaking Republicans out right now, and they're not listening to

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Speaker 4: any of it.

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Speaker 5: You have.

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Speaker 4: Normy responses like the new Zach Bryan song about ice

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Speaker 4: coming and knocking down on your door, and Republicans are

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Speaker 4: ready to like Dixie Chicks two point zero. I think,

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Speaker 4: in the words of John Rich, Joe Rogan has said,

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Speaker 4: what are you doing? Like cut the stuff out and

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Speaker 4: whatever we may or may not disagree with these guys on.

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Speaker 5: Like that is there.

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Speaker 4: These are flashing red lights for Republicans that they feel

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Speaker 4: like they have all of this cultural momentum after twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four in a way that they thought they never could.

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Speaker 4: They had Silicon Valley on their side, some people from

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Speaker 4: Polly but some celebrities. Trump wins the popular vote and

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Speaker 4: now they're grand project. I think they're they're wildly overconfident

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Speaker 4: in their ability to sell it to the American people.

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Speaker 4: It's not just that they feel like they have this

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Speaker 4: generational opportunity to kind of reorganize the government, because obviously

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Speaker 4: they think that they do. It's the question of then

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Speaker 4: what's part of that project, and then how do you

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Speaker 4: sell it? And right now they're so completely out of

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Speaker 4: touch with their own voters, people who are like independent

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Speaker 4: swing voters, people who are rural voters. Not to say

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Speaker 4: Democrats are in touch, because they aren't either. And that's

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Speaker 4: a sad statement on the system that basically nobody has

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Speaker 4: is in touch with voters. And that's, by the way,

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Speaker 4: how you end up in a situation where people are

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Speaker 4: desperate and take matters into their own hands and do

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Speaker 4: vigilanti bullshit more and more in the future, and because

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Speaker 4: they feel like the system isn't working anymore.

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Speaker 3: Right, And Trump was elected because prices are too high,

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Speaker 3: life is too hard, yeah, And everything he's doing is

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Speaker 3: making things more expensive. And now Democrats are trying to

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Speaker 3: save him from doubling health insurance premium and Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 3: Green is trying to save him from doubling health insurance premiums,

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Speaker 3: and Trump thinks that Democrats are communists and that what's

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Speaker 3: wrong with Marjorie Taylor Green. Here's an idea, just don't

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Speaker 3: double health insurance premiums. What do I know?

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Speaker 5: It might actually work with your own voters.

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Speaker 3: Who don't want to pay double for crappy insurance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the instincts that like Steve Bannon has not

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Speaker 4: to keep going on about this but on NAGA not

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Speaker 4: wanting entitlements touched. Trump has always had that instinct too.

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Speaker 4: But here, I mean, it should again be flashing red

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Speaker 4: lights abundantly obvious that just because these are Biden subsidies

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Speaker 4: that in the long term are making a bad system worse,

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Speaker 4: you don't double people's premiums.

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Speaker 5: It's insane.

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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, let's definitely also not do anything about Epstein.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, because that's also I mean, nobody cares about.

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Speaker 3: It, giant hoax. Attorney General Pam Bondi wandered over to

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Speaker 3: the upper Chamber for a little bit of Epstein question

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Speaker 3: and no answer session with the Senators. Let's roll be

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Speaker 3: one here, retiring Dick Durbin.

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Speaker 11: Attorney General Bindi, why did you publicly claim to have

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Speaker 11: the EPSTEIN client list waiting for your review and then

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Speaker 11: produce nothing relevant to that claim.

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Speaker 9: Senator, Senator Dervin, if you listen to my entire clip

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Speaker 9: on that, I said I had not reviewed it yet,

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Speaker 9: that it was sitting on my desk, along with the

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Speaker 9: JFK files, the Martin Luther King files, and I said

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Speaker 9: I had not yet reviewed it.

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Speaker 11: Why was the July seventh memo unsigned?

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Speaker 9: The July seventh memo came from the FBI and the

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Speaker 9: Department of Justice. Director Patel answered those questions very clear.

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Speaker 9: And you know, Senator Durbin, I find it very interesting

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Speaker 9: that you refused repeated Republican requests to release the EPSTEIN

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Speaker 9: flight logs in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 9: You fought that did you take money from Reid Hoffman

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Speaker 9: campaign donations?

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Speaker 11: I will quarrel with you is to read somebody that

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Speaker 11: you mentioned I never heard of, So who gave the

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Speaker 11: arder to flag records related to President Trump, to.

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Speaker 13: Flag records for President Trump.

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Speaker 11: To flag any records which included his name.

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Speaker 13: I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you.

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Speaker 11: So eventually you're going to have to answer for your conduct.

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Speaker 11: In this and you won't do it today, but eventually

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Speaker 11: you will.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine who would have given that order, can you?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to say.

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Speaker 4: There's so many times many Actually, you know what's funny

668
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Speaker 4: is there are really so many possibilities.

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Speaker 5: It could have been anyone who wanted.

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Speaker 4: To protect the president other than the president, or you

671
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Speaker 4: just don't even need to say anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's True's Sheldon Whitehouse also a little bit

673
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Speaker 3: of back and forth as well. Be two.

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Speaker 18: There's been public reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos

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Speaker 18: of President Trump with half naked young women. Do you

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Speaker 18: know if the FBI found those photographs in their search

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Speaker 18: of Jeffrey Epstein's safe or premises or otherwise.

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Speaker 17: Have you seen any such thing?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 9: Senator white House, you sit here and make salacious remarks

681
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Speaker 9: once again, trying to slander President Trump left and right,

682
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Speaker 9: when you're the one who was taking money from one

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Speaker 9: of Epstein's closest confidence.

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Speaker 13: I believe I could be wrong, correct me.

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Speaker 9: Reid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions,

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Speaker 9: and the Senator sitting right next to you, tried to

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Speaker 9: block the flight logs from being released, Yeah, you're really

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Speaker 9: me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein.

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Speaker 18: Come on, The question is did the FBI find those

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Speaker 18: photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who

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Speaker 18: claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him. You don't know

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Speaker 18: anything about that, okay, if you.

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Speaker 4: Weren't watching that her face at the end, she lookedictures

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Speaker 4: in physical pain.

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Speaker 3: This also underscores why would be cool to have an

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Speaker 3: actual opposition party because so Reid Hoffman, for people who

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Speaker 3: don't know, is a link He's the LinkedIn billionaire and

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Speaker 3: has spent ungodly amounts of money trying to smash the

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Speaker 3: the left wing, the populist wing of the Democratic Party.

700
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Speaker 3: So just figuring out ways to go after specifically Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 3: aoc Rashida's Lee, Cory Bush jamalbum, the Whole Squad, and

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Speaker 3: anybody who's remotely adjacent to them. So that was Reid

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Speaker 3: Hoffman's project. His whole idea is We're going to beat

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Speaker 3: Trump by first smashing the populist wing of the Democratic

705
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Speaker 3: Party because in his theory, well I think two theories.

706
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Speaker 3: One is that he doesn't like the populst wings. They

707
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Speaker 3: want to attack people. They don't like oligarchs. But his

708
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Speaker 3: actual surface argument was those are unpopular people, and Democrats

709
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Speaker 3: would be more popular if it's just like the Dick

710
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Speaker 3: Durbins and the White Houses of the world, who don't

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Speaker 3: really say anything offensive to anybody, and then they will

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Speaker 3: win just by not being Trump. So that's this billionaire

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Speaker 3: who became deeply involved in democratic politics and was also

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Speaker 3: tight with this creep Epstein. So again, imagine if you

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Speaker 3: had just an opposition party that could cleanly say we

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Speaker 3: don't have anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein because he

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Speaker 3: represents the oligarch class and we're not with them. That

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Speaker 3: you're not going to find mom Donnie on a plane

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Speaker 3: with Epstein, and it doesn't have anything to do with

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Speaker 3: personal morality. It's just they're not they're not floating around

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Speaker 3: with the oligarchs. So it kind of allows this this

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Speaker 3: tap dance that Bondie is doing. Yet it's still completely unconvincing.

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Speaker 3: It's like, where are the photos? Just where's the photos? There?

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Speaker 3: Just photos? Where the photos you said, you said you've

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Speaker 3: got them on your desk. Where No?

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Speaker 4: I mean, actually, I think that point is important that

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Speaker 4: even with that ammunition, Pam Bondi comes into this hearing

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Speaker 4: knowing that white House, for example, is connected with with

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Speaker 4: read Epstein, and that actually Dick Durbin has fought Marshall

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Speaker 4: Blackburn in the past when Democrats were in power over

731
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Speaker 4: the flight logs all that's true, But Pam Bondi still

732
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Speaker 4: had this complete.

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Speaker 5: She was doing one of two things.

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Speaker 4: She was either deflecting to blame Dems for their own

735
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Speaker 4: connections or for their own corruption, which, as Ryan points out,

736
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Speaker 4: there's plenty to work with, but it looks like a deflection,

737
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Speaker 4: or as we saw at the end of that clip,

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Speaker 4: she's just not answering. She's just standing there or sitting

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Speaker 4: there blank faced and or saying I don't know, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. Adam Shift, of all people speaking of the Shift,

741
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Speaker 4: speaking of corrupt Democrats, let's go ahead and rule Adam

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Speaker 4: Shift Shift what I would say. Actually, I can't believe

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Speaker 4: I'm even saying this, Like getting the better of Pam

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Speaker 4: bondy In is exchange fifty.

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Speaker 3: Shift is good in these hearings for the most part.

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Speaker 3: He's not always on the up.

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Speaker 5: Nutt theater kid, maybe how maybe that's what this is?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 19: B three, you were asked whether you consulted with career

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Speaker 19: ethics lawyers, as you promised you would do during your

751
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Speaker 19: nomination hearing. When you approve the present receiving a four

752
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Speaker 19: hundred million dollar gift from the qataris you refuse to

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Speaker 19: answer that question. You were asked who or what role

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Speaker 19: you may have played or who played the role in

755
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Speaker 19: asking the Trump's name be flagged in any of the

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Speaker 19: Epstein documents gathered by the FBI. You refuse to answer

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Speaker 19: that question. You were asked whether Holman kept the fifty

758
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Speaker 19: thousand dollars bribe money. You refuse to answer that question.

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Speaker 19: You were asked whether Homan paid taxes on the fifty

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Speaker 19: thousand dollars bride money. You refused to answer that question.

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Speaker 19: You were asked, did career prosecutors find insufficient evidence to

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Speaker 19: charge James Comey? You refuse to answer that question. This

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Speaker 19: is supposed to be an oversight hearing overseas.

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Speaker 17: Please excuse me.

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Speaker 19: You can attack me after my time is over All

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Speaker 19: of them you can, and I know you've got plenty

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Speaker 19: of cand attacks. We've heard them all day to day.

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Speaker 17: This is supposed to regular order.

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Speaker 19: Mana of Jerrem trying to speak. This is supposed to

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Speaker 19: be an oversight here of the Justice Department, and it

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Speaker 19: comes in the wake of an indictment called for by

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Speaker 19: the President of one of his enemies. This is supposed

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Speaker 19: to be an oversight hearing, and it comes in the

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Speaker 19: wake of revelations that a top administration official took fifty

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Speaker 19: thousand dollars in a bag, and this department made that

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Speaker 19: investigation go away.

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Speaker 5: Oversight. It's like I'm talking to practice.

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Speaker 3: We're talking practice.

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Speaker 4: So she got more questions about Tom Holman. This is

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Speaker 4: what Adam Scheff was alluding to.

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Speaker 5: We can go ahead and roll B four.

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Speaker 8: Is there a tape that has audio and video of

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Speaker 8: the transfer of the fifty thousand.

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Speaker 13: You would have to talk to Director Patel about that.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 13: I don't know the answer. Say you do know the answer?

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Speaker 13: Call me a liar.

788
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Speaker 8: I didn't call you a lie.

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Speaker 13: You just said I know the answer. I said, I

790
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Speaker 13: don't know the answer.

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Speaker 9: You have to talk to Kate, Director of Tell what

792
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Speaker 9: I said is that investigation.

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Speaker 8: If you don't know, why don't you know whether there

794
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Speaker 8: was a tape in video?

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Speaker 9: Senator, I believe that was resolved prior to my confirmation

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Speaker 9: as Attorney General.

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Speaker 8: Do you think that it is of public interest for

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Speaker 8: the people to know what happened to the fifty grand

799
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Speaker 8: that the FBI turned over to Homan.

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Speaker 13: Did you hear what I just said?

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Speaker 9: That was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General.

802
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Speaker 13: That's why I said I would not know it is.

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Speaker 3: It's not resolved.

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Speaker 8: There's fifty one thousand dollars. Homan has it or somebody

805
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Speaker 8: has it? Do you have no interest in knowing where

806
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Speaker 8: it is?

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Speaker 13: You're not going to sit here and slander Tom Homan.

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Speaker 3: Well, Homan did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: They did indeed, continue to ask questions about Tom Holman,

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Speaker 4: and she will continue to get asked questions about Tom Hollman.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that, Ryan, And I mean, the

812
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Speaker 4: Epstein story is really the best illustration of the situation

813
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Speaker 4: that Pamily, Pambandi, Cash, Baital, Dan Bon Geno and others

814
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Speaker 4: find themselves in because they tagged along in Maga world

815
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Speaker 4: with this idea of draining the swamp and dismantling the

816
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Speaker 4: deep state, and whether or not they were ever sincere

817
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Speaker 4: or they ever thought Trump was truly sincere about that,

818
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: they now find themselves in this position. And Epstein is

819
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Speaker 4: the best illustration of it, of being the deep state

820
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Speaker 4: and being defensive of their actions as part.

821
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Speaker 5: Of the deep state.

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Speaker 4: And so not only does it allow Democrats to have

823
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Speaker 4: this new I don't know if I can call it

824
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Speaker 4: moral high ground. I don't really think anyone has a

825
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Speaker 4: moral high ground here, but this ability to sort of

826
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Speaker 4: claim the populist mantle and say, we're trying to get

827
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Speaker 4: questions about or we're trying to get answers about all

828
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Speaker 4: of this different corruption, whether it's Epsteine, whether it's a

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Speaker 4: bride I've been a kava bag, which is the allegation

830
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Speaker 4: around Tom Holman, and Bonnie's doing her best to undercut

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Speaker 4: it by pointing out, hey, you guys have problems too,

832
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Speaker 4: but she's the one in power.

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Speaker 3: Now, right And also, where's the fifty thousand dollars that

834
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Speaker 3: was in the Cova bag. It's still in the cop

835
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Speaker 3: It's a very hard question to what to what about.

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Speaker 4: Like haven't you taken effect granted a kava bag?

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Speaker 3: Let me just let me just start over, because this

838
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Speaker 3: one apparently is too confusing for you to just answer directly.

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Speaker 3: Where is the fifty thousand dollars that was in the

840
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Speaker 3: kava bag that he took in order to steer contracts.

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Speaker 4: Well, and are they even saying that he did take it? Like,

842
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Speaker 4: this is what we don't have a lot of ideas about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the reporting was that he took it, right.

844
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Speaker 4: But it is the DOJ right now saying that he

845
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Speaker 4: actually took it or that he didn't, because.

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Speaker 3: Right, they're not right, although the White House at one

847
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Speaker 3: point said that's misinformation, right right, But it's like, okay,

848
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Speaker 3: well that's your opinion man.

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Speaker 4: And Holman has said I did nothing criminal. I did

850
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Speaker 4: nothing illegal, So it sounds like home is probably accepted

851
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Speaker 4: a bag. I will say, right, right right, I will

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Speaker 4: say some stuff in the story. You could potentially potentially

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Speaker 4: I don't know what percentage chance this is, but you

854
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Speaker 4: could potentially look at entrapment. But they're not saying enough

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Speaker 4: to I mean, if it was a cut and dry

856
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Speaker 4: entrapment case, they would be out there talking about how

857
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Speaker 4: Tom Holman was in trapped by the deep state.

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Speaker 3: So they should have asked if he wanted to blow

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Speaker 3: up a bridge with his paintball buddies, then he'd be

860
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Speaker 3: doing life.

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Speaker 4: In prison, crazy times, crazy times. So yeah, not an

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Speaker 4: easy day for Pam BONDI. Nor will it be as

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Speaker 4: she continues, she will continue to have to sit forward

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Speaker 4: these hearings.

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Speaker 3: So, speaking of Justice Department targets is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the theme today is corruption.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So Andrew Cuomo is still running for mayor of

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Speaker 3: New York City. Eric Adams is dropped out. I saw

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Speaker 3: Bill Ackman begging the beret wearing Curtis slee Wah, who

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Speaker 3: people keep finding like archival clips of Curtis Leewah being

871
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Speaker 3: a real one, Like this guy's fun? Who's not fun?

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Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo here he is on Stephanie rule.

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Speaker 20: There is no governor in the United States of America,

874
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Speaker 20: no elected official who fought more with Donald Trump than

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Speaker 20: I did.

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Speaker 17: None.

877
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 7: You share a lot of his same donors right now.

878
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 7: There are a lot of New Yorkers who are very

879
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 7: excited about your campaign who were also very excited about

880
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 7: Donald Don't tell me that's not.

881
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 20: Are there New Yorkers who gave money to me and

882
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 20: gave money to Donald Trump?

883
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 17: Of course?

884
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: Of course why is that?

885
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 20: And of course, well why not if you are a

886
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 20: New Yorker, you know Donald Trump, you know me, many

887
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 20: of them would give money to Donald Trump and give

888
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 20: money to me and money.

889
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 7: Why what are you and Donald Trump share in common.

890
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 17: We're New Yorkers. They know me, they know him.

891
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 7: But let's just stay on this, and I don't want

892
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 7: to take too much more of your time because I'm

893
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 7: surprised by this. You think that something about Donald Trump

894
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 7: makes someone give Donald Trump a check and Andrew Cuomo check?

895
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 7: What is that thing that the two of you both share.

896
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 17: I think that people who know him and people who

897
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 17: know me, I think that what are those things? The

898
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 17: personal knowledge? He lived here, I live here.

899
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 20: You may be a friend of Donald Trump, you may

900
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 20: know me, you may contribute to him, you may contribute

901
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 20: to me, But are there similarity?

902
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: So there's there's I mean, what do you got? It's ridiculous.

903
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: It is his idea that he's that Cuomo's the last

904
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: one that Trump wants to be mayor, like Trump is

905
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: publicly actively campaigning for him. Basically like, who are you

906
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: lying to?

907
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: I love it when the politician are so bad. That's

908
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 4: definitely a rule. Looks like Walter crumk. That's incredible stuff.

909
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: I mean, she she's that, She's like, hold on a

910
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: second here, this is perfect. Yeah, let's roll stay two.

911
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Also, you were not criminally charged, but investigators in the

912
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: DOJ have found the claims credible.

913
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 5: So what do you say to voters who have a

914
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 5: hard time looking past this.

915
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a good question.

916
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 20: When the report was issued, I said I believed it

917
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 20: was politically motivated, and it was. I didn't even know

918
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 20: the allegations at that time, right, it was done in

919
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 20: a report. I didn't even know who the individuals were.

920
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 20: We then spent five years. That report went to five

921
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 20: district attorneys all over the state.

922
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 17: No one found anything.

923
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 20: It was then civilly litigated in court the individual actions

924
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 20: for five years.

925
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 17: That came to nothing.

926
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 20: I was dropped from the cases, so nothing came from

927
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 20: those allegations. I did say if I offended anyone in

928
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 20: any way, I didn't mean it. And I learned a lesson,

929
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 20: a painful lesson, which is to be much more cautious

930
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 20: about everything you say.

931
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Speaker 17: Any joke, any comment, don't.

932
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Speaker 20: I won't kiss a person on the cheek unless they

933
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Speaker 20: initiate a kiss. So it told me a lesson just

934
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Speaker 20: to be super cautious, because there is a sensitivity that

935
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 20: has evolved that is real. If people feel it, it's

936
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 20: true and it has to be respected.

937
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: I mean, the other allegations were much more serious than kissing.

938
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 13: On the cheek.

939
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 5: It's an incredible club.

940
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

941
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Speaker 4: Anyway, that was on the view. By the way, the

942
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 4: first receptionsctione was on the view. I mean right, I

943
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: don't has anyone ever considered him because my memory is

944
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: yes to be a talented politician in his own right,

945
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Speaker 4: and not someone who coasted off his father's name in

946
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: his family's connections, because back in COVID. Obviously there are

947
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 4: a million different stories at first about how brilliantly he

948
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: was handling it in New York. But it just seems

949
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 4: like so obvious that he's not a good politician. He's

950
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: bad at this and he thinks he's good at it

951
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: because he's coasted again off of his name and his

952
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 4: family connections for so long.

953
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: Not exactly what he is is he's a very good,

954
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: old school Tammany Hall New York style politician.

955
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: Which doesn't necessarily work in this media climate.

956
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: He's not somebody who appeals to people. He very deliberately

957
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: prevented New York from being a place where you could

958
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: have mass democracy. I don't know if people know this story,

959
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: but there was this thing called the Independent Democratic Conference

960
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: that existed in the New York Senate at which Cuomo

961
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: created and organized to caucus with Republicans so that Republicans

962
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: would control without having won the votes, would control the

963
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: New York Senate. Why you're like, wait a minute, hold

964
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: on a second, that's the wildest thing I've ever heard.

965
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Why would a Democrat actively elevate the Republicans to control

966
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: the Senate? Well, because then voters can't do anything and

967
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: demand anything, because all the demands then have to funnel

968
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: through a divided Albany. And the system that he created

969
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: was called three men in a room, and it was

970
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: the leader of the Senate, leader of the Assembly, and

971
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: the governor. Three men one room. And it didn't matter

972
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: what you wanted, like, it didn't matter what you campaigned on,

973
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: It didn't matter what voters said were their preferences out

974
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: of New York. What mattered was what these three men

975
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 3: in the room wanted. And the way that they enforced

976
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: discipline was through vengeance and also through doling out cash.

977
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: You sign up with us, you're on team Cuomo. You're

978
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: going to get the spoils. You don't, you will never

979
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 3: work in this town again. And so he was very

980
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: good at that kind of Albany knife wielding and very

981
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: good at setting up a structure that kept the public

982
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: at bay. It was in twenty eighteen. So after Trump

983
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: was elected in twenty sixteen, I covered this in my book,

984
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: the New Yorkers started paying attention to politics for the

985
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: first time. So you would have turnout in these elections

986
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: of like in the thousands, like shot in the arm

987
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: he is, but also importantly indivisible. And these suburban women

988
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: and women in the city who and men but driven

989
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 3: by women who were like who were like, wait a minute,

990
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: what's the Independent Democratic Conference? But it caucuses with Republicans.

991
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound right, and they're like, oh no, this

992
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 3: is right, this is a thing, and they're like, wait,

993
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: Cuomo did this. So they recruited a bunch of challengers

994
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: to these fake Democrats. They and along with the Mamdani

995
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: wave they beat and the AOC wave they beat these

996
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: independent these IDC people, they knocked them out. And then

997
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: they finally made it actually Democrats and Senate Democrat in

998
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: the House Assembly. And then they no longer had an

999
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: excuse of why they couldn't pass anything, and so then

1000
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: they started passing a lot of clean energy stuff, all

1001
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: sorts of prison reform, like genuinely progressive stuff started getting

1002
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: done in New York, and that was an absolute nightmare

1003
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: for Cuomo, and he started to unravel. He then got

1004
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 3: saved for a little while by COVID because he kind

1005
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: of looked authoritative compared to Trump when he was doing

1006
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: like little TV things. But then people found out that

1007
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: he was like killing old people and the homes and

1008
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: covering up the stats and so that, and then all

1009
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 3: the sexual harassment stuff came out, and for some reason,

1010
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: the story did not end there. No, here we are

1011
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five mentioning the brother's name the story.

1012
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: Oh way, dude, again, the story didn't end when he

1013
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 4: lost an election.

1014
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 5: He's sticking around. Yeah.

1015
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: Actually, everything you just explained about his mastery of the

1016
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: spoils system in Albany explains why he's also sort of

1017
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: like stonefaced dead panning to Stephanie Rule, It's why do

1018
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: I share donors with Donald Trump?

1019
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 5: They know us, they know us, right, Yeah.

1020
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: My coalition is with Republicans, but also literally.

1021
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 4: But also what we trade in is trust, like in

1022
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: this personal knowledge system that duh, this is what we

1023
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 4: do in New York. Of course, people who know us

1024
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: know that they can get stuff out of both of us.

1025
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 4: That's what he's saying. That's the unsaid part of it.

1026
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 3: He's basically rephrasing George Carlin, Well, why would they support

1027
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: me and Trump Stephanie, because it's a big club and

1028
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: we're in it.

1029
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's perfect, It's perfect, and it's I mean,

1030
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 4: it's so true that if you pull the FEC records

1031
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: of most very successful people, whether they're in New York

1032
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: or elsewhere, you find some donations to our some donations.

1033
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: Sez they know what they're friends here.

1034
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: Let's roll ste three. This is another another exchange that

1035
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: Cuomo had on the view.

1036
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 20: I am the last person President Trump wants as mayor

1037
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 20: of New York City because he dealt with.

1038
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 17: Me as governor.

1039
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 20: New Yorkers watched the movie every day I during COVID.

1040
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 20: I was the governor, he was the president. We fought

1041
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 20: on a daily basis. He came with all his threats

1042
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 20: and all his power and might, threatened to put me

1043
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 20: in jail, had me investigated twice by the Department of Justice,

1044
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 20: threatened to cut off federal funds. Mad Mandani is a

1045
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 20: gift for him. Yes, he wants MONDOMMI two reasons. One

1046
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 20: going into the midterms, he will take a picture of Mondammie,

1047
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 20: run around the country and say, here's what happened to

1048
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 20: the Democrats. They are now communists. They hate the police.

1049
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 20: They legalized prostitution, legalized drugs. They want tole like this

1050
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 20: Democrat no experience whatsoever.

1051
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 17: Being mayor of New York would be his first real job.

1052
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 20: It's good for Donald Trump because it's the excuse he

1053
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 20: needs to take over New York, which he said he will.

1054
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: Do mom Dommy if they keep calling him mom DOMI.

1055
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: But Ryan in that exchange when Cuomo says Donald Trump,

1056
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: he's Donald Trump's worst nightmare, Andrew Cuomo is Donald Trump's

1057
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: worst nightmare.

1058
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 5: Just incredible, incredible.

1059
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: Point because I think actually it's true Republicans to some

1060
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: except know that they'll be able to run just like

1061
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: they did with AOC and they did this with Nancy

1062
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: Pelosi forever. But run the picture of mom Donnie in

1063
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 4: ads and talk about him all the time and try

1064
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: to make him look like he's representative of where the

1065
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 4: Democratic Party is.

1066
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 5: Uh, that's all true.

1067
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: But Donald Trump does not want a dem socialist running

1068
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: his favorite city in the world. It's like just also

1069
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: the idea that he's afraid of Andrew Cuomo is completely

1070
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: insane too.

1071
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: What do you think Trump's actual nightmares are?

1072
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 5: What's a Trump dream? These are the questions.

1073
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: I imagine him dreaming that there's somebody counting his golf stroke.

1074
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 5: I was just going to say that. I was just

1075
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 5: going to say that, like.

1076
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: You didn't have a four there calling him on it. Yea,

1077
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: that would be I had a four. It's like you

1078
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: were four still in the fair way. What are you

1079
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 3: talking about?

1080
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 5: That probably is it's an extent. I mean, if he.

1081
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: Dream finds out and then there's all this footage and

1082
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: they're counting his strokes on the footage.

1083
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 4: In order to have nightmares, one must sleep, and Donald

1084
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: Trump does not sleep.

1085
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 5: That's true.

1086
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 3: I'm skeptical any probably why he doesn't sleep, probably scared

1087
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: of nightmares.

1088
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 5: Wow, it's going really deep here.

1089
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 4: So Zoron Mamdani posted his October seventh statement and it

1090
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: became this most predictable news cycle in the world, a

1091
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 4: lightning rod for the broader Israel debate. We can put

1092
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: C four on the screen, the system coverage of it

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Speaker 4: from media and Ryan, this is one of your beats.

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Speaker 4: One thing I would say, just right off the bat

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Speaker 4: is well here. Let you get into it and.

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Speaker 3: Then have the statement.

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Speaker 4: The statement is if you scroll down, there'll be some

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Speaker 4: tweets with it, but yeah, you're here.

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Speaker 3: You Two years ago today Hamas carried out a horrific

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Speaker 3: war crime, killing more than one one hundred Israelis and

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Speaker 3: kidnapping two hundred and fifty more. I mourned these lives

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Speaker 3: and pray for the safe return of every hostage still held,

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Speaker 3: and for every family whose lives were torn apart by

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Speaker 3: these atrocities. In the aftermath of that day, Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Netan Yahoo and the Israeli government launched a genocidal war,

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Speaker 3: a death toll that now far exceeds sixty seven thousand,

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Speaker 3: With the Israeli military bombing homes, hospitals, and schools into rubble.

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Speaker 3: Every day in Gaza has become a place where grief

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Speaker 3: itself has run out of language. I mourn these lives

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Speaker 3: and pray for the families that have been shattered. Our

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Speaker 3: government has been complicit through it all. This must end,

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Speaker 3: The occupation and apartheid must end. Peace must be pursued

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Speaker 3: through diplomacy, not war crimes, and our government must act

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Speaker 3: to end these atrocities and hold those responsible to account.

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Speaker 3: These last two years have demonstrated the very worst of humanity.

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Speaker 3: We must answer it by modeling the very best, a

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Speaker 3: relentless pursuit of our hower higher ideals and an unwavering

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Speaker 3: commitment to universal human rights the Atlantics. David from Media

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Speaker 3: Notes shared the statement, added, this is a genuinely useful statement.

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Speaker 3: The chilly formulaic language about the ten to seven atrocity,

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Speaker 3: the intense angry passion of the denunciation of Israel's self

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Speaker 3: defense together they arrestingly reveal what the author cares about

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Speaker 3: and what who he does not care about. So that's

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Speaker 3: David from who we will talk about later in the

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Speaker 3: pro We just busted him writing speeches for the Israeli

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Speaker 3: ambassador while also profiling the Israeli ambassador. But back to

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Speaker 3: the mom Donnie statement. You notice at the top it

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Speaker 3: says he got boasted, blasted by both sides. The left

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Speaker 3: really did blast him over this. What the left did

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Speaker 3: say is that this line Hamas carried out a horrific

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Speaker 3: war crime killing more than one thousand, one hundred Israelis

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Speaker 3: is not factually true. The more than one thy one

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Speaker 3: hundred Israelis and some foreigners were killed. I don't think

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Speaker 3: they're quibbling over the foreigners were killed on October seventh.

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Speaker 3: But we know for an absolute fact that a non

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Speaker 3: trivial number were killed by Israel. Like that's like that.

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Speaker 3: Israeli media has reported that as a fact. We don't

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Speaker 3: yet know the number of it. It may take it

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Speaker 3: under one thy one hundred. Like that was the that

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Speaker 3: was what the left was saying. Yeah, that, but I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say that the left was like piling on the States.

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Speaker 3: Also if the left would also acknowledge, like if Hamas

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Speaker 3: did not launch the attack, Israel would not have been,

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Speaker 3: you know, enacted the Hannibal directive to kill the Because

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Speaker 3: it's this thing called the Hannibal directive where Israel has

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Speaker 3: a doctrine whereby it's better to stop the hostages from

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Speaker 3: becoming hostages by killing them in some cases, because then

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Speaker 3: you don't have to negotiate over them, you just kill them.

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Speaker 3: It's like you're like, well that's insane. Yeah, that is insane,

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Speaker 3: But that's like a thing that is done, and it

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Speaker 3: was done in some kid it seem it was done.

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Speaker 3: It appears to have been done on the beach where

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Speaker 3: I think seventeen israelis were killed. So there's it's it's

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Speaker 3: a we don't know the number yet, but it may

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Speaker 3: be enough to take it under one thy one hundred. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's that's the quibbling from the left.

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Speaker 4: But the right, well, but I mean they're right wing

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Speaker 4: Democrats that were upset with the statement.

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Speaker 3: That's oh, I say so they're saying that right wing demos,

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Speaker 3: yeah so, and what's their argument that you shouldn't talk

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Speaker 3: about that you should only talk about what happened on

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Speaker 3: October seventh and not since.

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Speaker 4: So here's not that anyone needs my very very unsolicited

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Speaker 4: political advice seriously, but the way that I would look

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Speaker 4: at it, I actually didn't see. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: the right wing Democrats and the right wing right wingers

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Speaker 4: they just don't want any part, Like nothing would have

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Speaker 4: been good enough from mom Donnie, and they there's no

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Speaker 4: version of the statement that would have been acceptable to them.

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Speaker 4: I also, like, I didn't think the statement was that bad.

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Speaker 4: I would have just used the first paragraph on ten

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Speaker 4: to seven and then used all the rest of it

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Speaker 4: on ten eight, because I think it's perfectly reasonable on

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Speaker 4: ten seven to focus on the attack on the Israelis

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Speaker 4: and then ten eight go all in on the slaughter

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Speaker 4: of civilians in Gaza. Seven and ten eight are different days.

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Speaker 4: Ten seven is a day that israelly civilians in many

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Speaker 4: cases we're attacked. Ten eight is the day that this

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Speaker 4: discussing awful war began, and I would just separate it

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Speaker 4: into two, but once again, I'm aware nobody needs that

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Speaker 4: political advice for me, but that's kind of how I

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Speaker 4: was looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also shows where we are in our

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Speaker 3: politics that this is infuriating so many people because there

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Speaker 3: are so it's not just the one thy one hundred

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Speaker 3: thing that people picked up on, but there a lot

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Speaker 3: of other things that I don't think anybody expects a

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Speaker 3: public figure like Montdonnie to take the kind of maximalist position,

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of concessions embedded in this

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Speaker 3: statement as well. He refers to the hostages still held,

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Speaker 3: and you know, the people still held were military. So

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Speaker 3: people said, well, those are those are prisoners, like when

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Speaker 3: you if you're captured in battle, you're a prisoner, not

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Speaker 3: a hosage, or you're at least a captive, like what

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Speaker 3: what else?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that people don't love that he referred to

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Speaker 4: it as a war crime. In the first sence, Well.

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Speaker 3: There were definitely war crimes carried out, but right saying

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Speaker 3: you would say, you know, right, exactly, you could say

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Speaker 3: that war war crimes were included in this in the

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Speaker 3: active resistance, right, So yes, like're right there, there are

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Speaker 3: significant concessions being made in here. That's that's a good

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Speaker 3: point there on that one too.

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Speaker 4: He's in a I mean, yeah, he's in a very

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Speaker 4: very very tough spot.

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Speaker 5: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 4: In New York, is I mean, the concentration of the

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Speaker 4: Jewish population in New York is like higher than it

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Speaker 4: is it is it the highest outside of Israel.

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Speaker 3: I think it's major. So I think it's second to

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Speaker 3: Tel Aviv. Yeah, but like huge numbers of those, if

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Speaker 3: not a majority, voted for Mom Donnie.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean this is that I've seen a

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Speaker 4: bunch of people pull out polls saying like New York

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Speaker 4: Jews don't support Mom Donnie, Mom Donnie. But it's a

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Speaker 4: pretty sign efficant portion actually get under fording.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, absolutely, k