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Speaker 1: now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 1: and David Hellman. It is Tuesday, February eighth. Welcome board, guys.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a lifetime. I think that'll

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Speaker 1: happen when you disappear to the Senior Bowl and then

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Speaker 1: there there's a snowstorm. In reality, it's only been a

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Speaker 1: week since we've been together. Welcome back to the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm David Hellman. I'm joined by Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: and the newly engaged Kyle Yeoman. Yeah. I saw the picture.

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Speaker 1: It looks like she said yes she did. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That would have been awkward. I just will take you

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Speaker 1: behind the curtain. I just I'm glad this all worked

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Speaker 1: out for you, man, because the whole time we were

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Speaker 1: there with all the weather in Dallas, and the whole time,

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Speaker 1: Kyle was like, slung as I'm back by Sunday morning,

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Speaker 1: just I have an important obligation on Sunday, a thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, I just want to go drink

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Speaker 1: with Jeff. Yeah. We pulled that off on Sunday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so glad it worked out for y'all. You were making

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Speaker 1: life altering decisions. We were having some Miller lights, which

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Speaker 1: Miller Light. But congratulations, Kyle, that's awesome than you. And

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Speaker 1: now I'll do my best Brian impression, say yo, yeah, yo,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get to the draft. Get along. No, did

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Speaker 1: anybody trying to talk you out of it? No? No,

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Speaker 1: not ye Brian, don't don't, don't, don't do it now,

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Speaker 1: don't do it, Brian. He's got a bit where it's

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Speaker 1: everybody's best friend's job to tell them not to get married,

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Speaker 1: true friend will not ask another one to help him move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're all very happy for you. Thank you. Enough of

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Speaker 1: this sentimental Yeah, let's talk draft. Let's get to the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. We're all back. Kyle and I were there.

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Speaker 1: You guys had a front row seat on NFL Network

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Speaker 1: just like everybody else. So I just want to do

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Speaker 1: that stood out to you, Brian, I want to start

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Speaker 1: with you, because again I'm always fixated on the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: and so honestly, these quarterbacks I did. Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 1: I think it was a good week for all these guys.

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me because the idea going into Senior

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Speaker 1: on it's willis how pick it? And then even lower

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Speaker 1: What else stood out to you from Senior Bowl week?

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Speaker 1: Who'd you like? Who didn't you like? Uh? Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: teams that don't like Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn.

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Speaker 1: what y'all are talking about with Travis Jones, he's massive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's six three three twenty six and I think he

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Speaker 1: just saying a couple guys gave Zion Johnson that then,

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Speaker 1: his team. Yeah, kind of you guys are saying, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, actually get beat up. I did want

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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Draft Show segment too. You know what

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Speaker 1: that means? Twitter Twitter beam on that he was ready

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Speaker 1: on Q we are rounding into form here last Tuesday

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Speaker 1: when we filled out, we are we are rounding into

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Speaker 1: form here. I'm excited about it. Let's just get right

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Speaker 1: into it. Uh my buddy, Joe, Hey Joe, how you doing? Uh?

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Speaker 1: A lot of talk about left guard at pick twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think, going back to the first segment, the two

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Speaker 1: names we've heard the most of Kenyon Green out of

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Speaker 1: Texas and m Zion Johnson out of Boston College. Obviously

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Speaker 1: probably early to know if both of those guys are

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Speaker 1: right for that range, but he wants a comparison between

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Speaker 1: the two. How you feel about those guys. I think

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Speaker 1: Green at A and M to me is a higher

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Speaker 1: ceiling guy. And Brian hates these words. He's not sure

497
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Speaker 1: what they mean. I'm not sure what you're talking about now,

498
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Speaker 1: but Green between the flexibility like another conversation. But with

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, the A and M guy, he's my number

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Speaker 1: one guard. One of the things that jumps out immediately

501
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Speaker 1: is literally his stance, like he is so comfortable for

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Speaker 1: a three hundred and twenty pound or whatever guy with

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Speaker 1: knee bend and with using that to generate power. So like,

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Speaker 1: I think Kenyan Green is the more powerful player that

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Speaker 1: might have the better tools. And I think Zion Johnson

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Speaker 1: is like everything in my notes is just good, good, good, good, good,

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Speaker 1: good good good, and it's just like that's him. He's

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Speaker 1: just a rock solid player. They both played multiple positions,

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Speaker 1: so I think both of them are stepping starters at guard.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a big Zion Johnson fan. I would not

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Speaker 1: have a problem at twenty four picking him. Kenyan Green

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Speaker 1: I'd be excited to pick at twenty four. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Jeff has got the players right. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what I think with Kenyon Green, you have a guy

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit more confident on sitting down on

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Speaker 1: his guy when he when he has to deal with

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Speaker 1: a power player. And I think that's something Jeff hit

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Speaker 1: it with the knee bin and the balance and the

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Speaker 1: strength and all that. The thing I worry about Zion

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Speaker 1: Johnson a little bit. I don't think he completely trust

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Speaker 1: himself just to sit down on his guy. And I

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Speaker 1: mean because he's just a really if you had to

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Speaker 1: tell me, I think Johnson's actually a better athlete, and

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Speaker 1: I think Green's a better power player. Yes, when I

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Speaker 1: look at the two and if you said, I can

526
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Speaker 1: you're a cowboy fans screaming for the better power player

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Speaker 1: right now. Well, if you're Pion, Johnson's the best sustainer

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Speaker 1: I've seen it Guarden years hands on someone. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't he does not fall off. Yeah, I mean they

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Speaker 1: didn't happen. They both mean. I'm not seeing it. Zion

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Speaker 1: Johnson doesn't have power because you could see in the

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Speaker 1: running game he'll get some movement. But I think that

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Speaker 1: I think that Kenyon Green is the guy that that

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Speaker 1: because one of my favorite things is like he plays

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Speaker 1: to the echo of the whistle like theyre's still like

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Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they've blown the whistle and he's

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Speaker 1: still like driving a guy over a pile or something

538
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Speaker 1: like that. And I want I kind of like that

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Speaker 1: about him, I really really do. And and but nothing

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Speaker 1: against Johnson. I just think that Green's a more powerful player,

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Speaker 1: and I think Johnson's a little bit better athlete. You

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Speaker 1: guys are spot on because you you bring up the

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Speaker 1: strength of Green and his lower body is just nuts

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Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I think his his balance is

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Speaker 1: not need though you're noticed him on the side he

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00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: turns his knees turn in just a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you're kind of like, I go, man's a funny

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Speaker 1: lower body there. Yeah, but it's strong. But he is strong.

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Speaker 1: He's strong, and he's really thick in the lower body.

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Speaker 1: The thing about Zion Johnson that I think will be

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Speaker 1: evaluated over and over again that I really like is one,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the confidence level. This is a guy

553
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: who got to Boston College after playing at Davidson. I mean,

554
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: he was playing with a press box that's no bigger

555
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: than what the podcast studio is it that we're in

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00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: right now, Brown's House in the end zone. I don't

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00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: even know if they could that guy at Golden State. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. They found that guy from Stephan Curry from Davidson. True,

559
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: but he played three seasons there, got to Boston College

560
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Speaker 1: and immediately was a starter, immediately played really well and

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Speaker 1: was the best offensive guard potentially in the ACC, maybe

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Speaker 1: in the country. And if that's not enough for me

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Speaker 1: to build his confidence, I don't know what could be.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just the thought. Again, that's just my

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Speaker 1: thought of Like I said, I think that the guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got enough strength and enough power. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, to me, I thought this

568
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: guy was going to come out last year, and then

569
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: he went back and then and I was kind of like, oh, okay,

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00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: he played better. He played better. He sure did. I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, I went into this question assuming I would

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Speaker 1: come out of it and just like, yeah, Green is

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00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: the much better option. But I'm hearing a lot of

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Speaker 1: zion love. It's an ice cream thing. I honestly, I

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00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't these guys, right, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you could go wrong with either one of these guys.

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Speaker 1: I really really don't. I think that if you plug

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Speaker 1: them in and play, you're going to be really happy.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the things that Jerry Jones covets

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00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: when he starts talking about protecting the front of that pocket,

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00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: both these guys can do that. But I think Green

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Speaker 1: would be a little bit better at it than Johnson was.

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Speaker 1: Real quickly, sorry, Dave, Is there any question on the

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00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: scheme fit for both of these guys? Because I feel

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Speaker 1: like Green could fit into any scheme he's placed into

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Speaker 1: and can play both guard positions, potentially could work out

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Speaker 1: to right tackle, whereas Johnson, on the other hand, I

588
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: think is pretty limited. And they tried him at center,

589
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: long term answer. Do you feel that way anyway as

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Speaker 1: long as you're playing. If you're talking about playing them

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Speaker 1: both at guard, then I don't think either one has

593
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Speaker 1: any limitation. So I don't think both of them are

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Speaker 1: really good zone blockers Zion. Johnson's great on the move

595
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Speaker 1: left or right. I love how he gets to the

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Speaker 1: second level. Yeah, so I think no, I think both

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Speaker 1: of them fit fine. Kenyan Green the bonuses. If somebody

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Speaker 1: quits your team or something and it's like, hey, we

599
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: need a insert offensive line position, he'd go, I've played that. Ye,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, he played left tackle against Alabama

601
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't bad. Yeah, right tackle against Kent State.

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00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: That's fun to watch. Yeah, all I need to know,

603
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: all right, Bob, Bob, Bob Bliss wants to know you

604
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: feel better losing Randy Gregory if you have George Karloftis

605
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Speaker 1: out of Purdue, David Dajabo out of Michigan, or Jermaine

606
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: Johnson out of Florida State. If you if you come

607
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: away from the first round with one of those guys,

608
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: can you tolerate losing Randy gregor give me Karloftis. If

609
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Speaker 1: you're going to pick a guy, why, I kind of

610
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: feel like to me with him, he could play him

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00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: at really at both spots. And again, this whole thing

612
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: with position flex, I'm I've had enough of it. But

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00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: this guy will, I mean, because what he can do

614
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: is he's super impressive with the way I mean, the

615
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: technique that he plays with because he is going to

616
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Speaker 1: not he's going to rush to the level of the

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Speaker 1: quarterback there's a lot of these guys, these young rushers,

618
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: that they get way too deep. He goes flying by

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Speaker 1: the guy. He never gets a hand. He always seems

620
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: to like the swat, the swim, the rip, the pull.

621
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: All that stuff is getting him to the level of

622
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. And when you get to the right spot,

623
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Speaker 1: you're going to find a way to make a lot

624
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Speaker 1: of plays. And this guy's got to burst and he

625
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: can redirect. I mean, there's a lot of positive things

626
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: about him. I talk about the double team blocks a

627
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Speaker 1: lot of times. He he's going to see his share

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Speaker 1: of those, and they but they were they knew where

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Speaker 1: he was. I mean Notre Dame in Iowa. When I

630
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: was watching those games. They knew where he was on

631
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: the field, and they tried to double teammate and this

632
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: guy was still making plays because of his smarts and

633
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Speaker 1: the technique. I would be totally on board having a

634
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Speaker 1: rusher like this guy. Yeah, Randy Gregory's staying so I agree.

635
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Speaker 1: I'm totally down with drafting another one. I agree with you.

636
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Speaker 1: But that wasn't the question. Maybe it won't be maybe

637
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: it'll be somebody else that's not here. Well, don't ask

638
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: that question. Gregory's gonna be here now. Maybe you are

639
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: missing a different edge guy for some reason, and you

640
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: could use an edge guy. Hate this conversation, but um yeah,

641
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: of course you would feel better if you had a

642
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: first round caliber player to replace them. So do you

643
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: have a do you have a preference on those three?

644
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I have not studied Ojabo yet. Karloftis over Johnson pretty

645
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: comfortably for me. Yeah, I wentfis is just one of

646
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: those heavy handed, can't stop, won't stop offensive lineman. Just

647
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: can't sustain on him because he's just BAM. I feel like,

648
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: from what I know about him that that would almost

649
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: be like a coup to get in that range of

650
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: the draft, you know, like something would have well, but

651
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: he can kind of feel if I'm wrong, really you

652
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: could have Hutchinson. He's not like Tho and Trayvon Walker.

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: And maybe somebody takes Jermaine Johnson. Maybe he's a fifth

654
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: edge off to Ando Jabo. Maybe he's a sixth edge.

655
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: He's not like a freak a zoid bendy guy though, right, No,

656
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: he will not test grate And that's that's kind of

657
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: my point. Man. I just watched a couple of weeks ago.

658
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: I disagree. I mean, I think, yeah, to me, this

659
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I just kind of when you watch him play, whether

660
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: he's a bendy guy or not, the way I have

661
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: it is Thibodeau, Hutchinson and him. That's how I have

662
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: it right that those are my three right there. And

663
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: if you want to throw Walker in there and a

664
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Jabo and Jermaine Johnson, but that's okay. But Thibodeau and Hutchinson,

665
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Oregon and Michigan yea. For those of you keeping score,

666
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: they're widely seen as like top five to top ten picks. Yeah,

667
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: they're out of there. How far below Carl? Like, how

668
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: how much of a drop is Carloft? Do he to me?

669
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Anywhere between twelve and sixteen? Okay, that's kind of where

670
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I have him. Edge Rushers get picked, That's what they do.

671
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: One thing about the edge rusher spot. And if I

672
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: know you said you hate this conversation, and I think

673
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: we may try and push this too later in the week,

674
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: but I think replacing an edge rusher in the second

675
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: round would be more likely than replacing another position of need.

676
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: That's one we're gonna just just to let you know,

677
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to pick that guy in the first round.

678
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of edge rushers there that

679
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: are really intriguing. Whenever, how many how many edge rushers

680
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: drafted outside the top, like fifteen make a quick impact.

681
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: It's not easy to do wide receivers is what we

682
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: get in second. Don't tweet me about t J Watt.

683
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: I know, um, all right, Well, we can tap dance

684
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: around this a little bit more. I do. Look, I

685
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: want to do a segment word coming out of mobile.

686
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: It's been discussed in the in cowboys Land all week

687
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: about the potential of the ambiguous futures of DeMarcus Lawrence

688
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and a MARII Cooper. We can get into a whole

689
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: segment about that for the time being, Selven wants to know,

690
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: on the off chance of Mari Cooper's not here, how

691
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: big of a need does wide receiver become huge for

692
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: me if that were to happen. I think it's need one.

693
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can't assume that, right. I think

694
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: it's need one. It's tied because technically you only have

695
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: one safety on the roster as well, So like well,

696
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I feel more I feel more confident about figured out.

697
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel more confident about at least getting like Kazy

698
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: and Hooker back in the fold. Then yeah, well if

699
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Gallar's gone, you don't you know, Okay, you don't think

700
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: they would. I don't know, okay. And and I love

701
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. We all love Michael Gallup. But through that

702
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: man a pizza party, you're talking about him not being

703
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: back from his rehab until potentially like after training camp. Like,

704
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: that's not a guy that you can count on to

705
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: be good to go to start your season. Probably, Yeah,

706
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: we can find wide receivers though, but yeah it becomes

707
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: a huge need. Yeah, I Famari's not here, and then

708
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: obviously it depends what you do in free agency, but

709
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: the receiver room at that point in Ceedee Lamb and

710
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Semi Fioko, that's the room guy. So yeah, you need

711
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: most is such not a fun class to be needing

712
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: a wide receiver clapping, it's not a fun class year

713
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: again or something. It's not a fun class to need

714
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. One. It's a fun class to need

715
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. At least you've got a Jeff can

716
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: always get excited about, as Jeff what he thinks about

717
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: everybody being hurt at receiver? Though, do you have to

718
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: evaluate all these receivers, the two Alabama kids, the USC

719
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: people get hurt, don't care? Yeah, is is Drake London

720
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: dealing with an injury? Oh yeah, that flew under my radar. Yeah,

721
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: how is significant? Well that's where he's been. He probably

722
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: be ready for workouts and stuff like that. But there's

723
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: people that're gonna have to look at his I think

724
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: it was an ankle that he was he dealt with.

725
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: But man, that guy you talk about thirteen fourteen targets

726
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: a game, catching eleven of him every single time. That's fun,

727
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: fun tape to watch their course. Yeah, sure is. How

728
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: do we feel about the kid out of Arkansas? I'll

729
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, that that is one of those

730
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: guys that it's almost like watching. You know, Jeff told

731
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: you a long time ago about Deebo. Yeah, Dennis Ramener. God,

732
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: I just I did it broad us right there. I'm

733
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: very sorry. Treylon Burks is who I'm talking about Arkansas. Yeah,

734
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: I just see it's heart I like to I just

735
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: want to make sure that even somebody who knows nothing

736
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: about the draft. Yeah, actually forget going. It's just like,

737
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the Arkansas guy Burks. But Burke's the thing.

738
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: With him is and Jeff told you a long time

739
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: ago about Deebo Samuel coming out of South Carolina. This kid,

740
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: they line him up at a lot of different spots.

741
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: They hand him the ball, they give him the jet sweeps,

742
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: they throw him screens, they throw it down the field.

743
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: He's one of the best players at Arkansas. Arkansas ranked

744
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: in the top ten for a long time until they

745
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: went to Georgia, you know, and then had a little

746
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: bit of a bad stretch. But this guy was one

747
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: of the best players in the SEC receiver wise. When

748
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: you talk about all the Alabama kids and stuff like that,

749
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: you watch this, Do you watch this kid from Arkansas

750
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Burks play. I go, you will be super impressed with

751
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: him and how tough he is. So you don't, Jeff,

752
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you don't think this would be a good year to

753
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: want a receiver at twenty four. I could take a

754
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: receiver at twenty four. He'll take the Alabama kid, which Williams. Yeah,

755
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: I would take in order Garrett Wilson at Ohio State

756
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: at number twenty four if I could, Wow, he's your

757
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: number one, uh, I would take Trailing Burke's the Arkansas

758
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: wide receiver at number twenty four. And I would be

759
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: willing to take Jamison Williams the Alabama Speedster at number

760
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: twenty four. So yeah, I got three different guys that

761
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: I could take there, and Garrett Wilson just a brief

762
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: scouting report because he has my wide receiver one. I

763
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: just think the NFL right now, there's a lot of

764
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: different things that are really important at wide receiver, but

765
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: to me, some of the most important are can you separate?

766
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: And what do you do after the catch? And Garrett

767
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Wilson's just got the explosive movement skills to separate at

768
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: the top of routes and then he's almost punt returner

769
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: ish with enough power that he's hell after the catch too.

770
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: So Garrett Wilson is my wide receiver one and also

771
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: the one I trust the most. Like Trailing Burks, I

772
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: really like Traylon Burks doesn't really separate. Trailing Burks is

773
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: more of screen game and down the field. Was a

774
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: great route runner, right It's more, he's not even good

775
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: at getting himself in position for deep balls. It's seen.

776
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, he realized because he's a power forward,

777
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: because physicality and athletics. I had a feeling if you

778
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: put him with a really good quarterback, you might see

779
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: a different player. I really do. Yeah, they got an

780
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: offensive tackle playing quarterback there and Arks. Yeah that doesn't help.

781
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't help. But I mean just in terms of

782
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: if you compare him to both Ohio State, can okay,

783
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: can I get any love for love love? Chris Football

784
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: looks so easy to that dude. I know he looked crazy.

785
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: He's the smoothest football player like ever. Doesn't give you

786
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: any pause. The fact that the one game that they

787
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't play in Jackson Smith and Jigbo went for four hunds.

788
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say he's the best one. James Jamison

789
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Williams left Ohio State because he couldn't get on the field.

790
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: They got Wilson and Olave coming out this year, and

791
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: the kid that can't go pro set every Rose Bowl

792
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: record in the world to all. Tell it to the

793
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: Georgian defensive tackles. Georgia might have two defensive tackles go

794
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: in the first round and the best one isn't draft eligible.

795
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Jaylen Carter's better than next year Jordan Davis already, Yes,

796
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: all right, I will trade both Ohio State receivers and

797
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: both Georgia d tackles for the next Georgia D tack.

798
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Glad you're learning about this scouting stuff. Yeah, That's that's

799
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: always how it goes. Every time you turn on these games,

800
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, have a look at the true sophomore.

801
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Who's that number who's that number nine playing defense? Oh?

802
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't worry. Okay, keep that in mind. All right,

803
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap this up with a question from Brian

804
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: with an eye. Um. We we've talked a lot about

805
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum. He's kind of on that shortlist the Iowa center.

806
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: I know you would draft him. That's That's not the

807
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: question Brian wants to know. Is it a luxury to

808
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: spend a pick like that on a center, given that

809
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: you've already sunk two seasons of starting into Tyler Biotish.

810
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: I guess basically the question is is Beyondish that much

811
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: of a liability that it's worth drafting a replacement that

812
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: highly Because if you draft Tyler Linderbaum, he's starting, like

813
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: he's not gonna sit behind Tyler Beiottish. When you drafted

814
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: Tyler Bottish in the fourth round, late in the fourth round,

815
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: did you expect him to be your long term see,

816
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that because I think I

817
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: think Remington Award winner and Wisconsin coming right after Travis Frederick,

818
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I think it was unrealistic. Getting getting drafted to this

819
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: team didn't do Tyler any favors because people expect him

820
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: to be Travis and he's not right, he never will be,

821
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: and he well, he was never projected to be or

822
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: he'll be better than Travis. I just don't appreciate the

823
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: doubting over here for this guy, you know, just like

824
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: Tyler person. If anything, I think we're getting Tyler a

825
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: vote of confidence exactly. And he never he was not

826
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: put in a position, I agree, from draft day forward

827
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: to have the right expectations. They never were there because

828
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: immediately he was the guy, and then this year he

829
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: was the only guy because Joe Looney wasn't even on

830
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: the roster, and your next best center as the guy

831
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: that was playing next to him who had never played

832
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: center in his life, and that was Connor Williams, who's

833
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: not on the team any longer. So now it's just Tyler,

834
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: be honest. So I don't think it's a luxury. I

835
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty hard need. If you have a

836
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: chance at Linderbomb, you pick him because when you don't

837
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: pick the best player, eventually you look back and be like,

838
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: what are we stupid? Yeah, like if you at twenty

839
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: four had him available and you pick a different position

840
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: that you don't think is as good a player, but

841
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: it's like him Wilson, but we need it more under Bamba. Um,

842
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: even if what if Cooper's not here? Just go way

843
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: off the rails, bam, because otherwise you look back at

844
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: it and you have massive regrets because you're like, oh,

845
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: we did correctly identify that that guy was going to

846
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: play a bunch of Pro Bowls, but we got a

847
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: decent starting receiver because we quote needed it. Screw that.

848
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Pick the player that's the best player and you won't

849
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Speaker 1: regret the pick. Is there a player that at twenty

850
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: four that would take you off Linder bamb You tried

851
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: to do this to him a week or so. I

852
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: think I'm just curious. I'm just curious, Yeah, Aiden Hutchinson, Yeah,

853
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: that's what that was his answer a couple of weeks ago.

854
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau, maybe Evan Neil, maybe Equanu. The other thing

855
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: that makes locked in, Yeah, the thing that makes me

856
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: so locked in on Linder bamb Is, it's him perfect,

857
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: and then it's a bunch of guards. Yeah, and then

858
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: it's like Donovan West is my next highest graded center.

859
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Well that's the even have you seen I've seen Alec

860
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Windstrom from Boston College. I have watched and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want us to help you make some money

862
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: if you can do this? Well, you like those Boston

863
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: College interiors. I'll tell you what, Boston College has put

864
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: a lot of offensive linemen in this league. Not wrong,

865
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a fair question. Like I

866
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyler is as bad as people give

867
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: him credit for. But I do think Linder Bomb seems

868
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: to be good enough that if you have that opportunity

869
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Speaker 1: the least the least amount of holes in a player

870
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Lindon Bomb, maybe yes, in the first round or just

871
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys range of in the whole first round. Geez, yes,

872
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: would you say the lack of weight then, right, doesn't

873
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: bother me? Kind of bothers me. I'm beyond under three hundred. Yeah,

874
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: A lot of people think, but I don't think there's

875
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: twelve starting centers in the league that are under this team.

876
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Wouldn't this team won a Super Bowl with a research

877
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Speaker 1: step basketball play. Yeah. Jason Kelsey was two eighty when

878
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: he came in the league. Oh yeah, all right, give

879
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: me better, Kelsey. I feel a lot better. All right,

880
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: thanks guys. All right, I mean we got to four questions.

881
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not our best, but it's

882
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: not our worst. We're going to get to ten. We

883
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: will try to improve. I just made you write down.

884
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: I like to have margin for er. I wrote down eight.

885
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: We got to four. It's fine. You can answer them Thursday.

886
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: A lot better than writing down three. When we come

887
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: you can get to four. When we come back from

888
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: this break, we will dive back into the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: certain locations. Don't let that bother you next to it today?

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Speaker 1: Oh did you? Yeah? Right, Well at least he was

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Speaker 1: at work today and not somewhere a little more nefarious. Yeah,

938
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: get rowdy for their wedding as a ring. Yeah, dude, No,

939
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I want rowdy at the crawfish boil on. Yeah all right,

940
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: imagine meating. No, you'd have to take off the gloves.

941
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I want him to eat it with the hands on.

942
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: I wish like put it in the smiley. We got

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Speaker 1: We got an auction off, like a tape session with

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Speaker 1: you and rowdy. No, well, if Rowdy wants to come,

946
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I just wish. I wish our listeners

947
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: could have the opportunity to watch tape with Brian because

948
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: he'll tell you. He'll tell you all about a guy's

949
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: footwork and then simultaneously be like, oh my god, look

950
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Speaker 1: at the mascot. Look, yeah that's Corso one was the best.

951
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: I was watching tape the other day and I took

952
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: a screenshot of it. It was Georgia, and he was right,

953
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: there is Georgia Clemson the first game season opener, and

954
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: I clicked it I said, Jeff Corso. Corso, He'll just

955
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: he'll be like, oh my god, the ball girl got

956
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: knocked into the kicking net. There was a there was

957
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: a Florida State ball boys. The Florida stated lightning. That's

958
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, all right, the thing I mean,

959
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Brian or Jeff, you brought it up. Like the thing

960
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: I love about this show is I had a whole

961
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: third segment planned, but we talked about so few Senior

962
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Bowl prospects that I feel like we should get that

963
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: out of the way while in the right fresh doing

964
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: the right thing. All right, So what we covered? What

965
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: we covered? Defensive line, a little bit, offensive line, quarterback?

966
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: What else from the Senior Bowl? Who else caught your eye?

967
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: I want I wanted you to talk about Jalen Petrie

968
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: since you were so curious about this coverage. Okay, Ryan's

969
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: got Petree opinion that I'm gonna let him deliver. But

970
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I was watching, Jalen Petrie is

971
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: a Baylor safety. He'll line up as kind of their nickel,

972
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: but he'll rush off the edge a bunch. He plays

973
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: forward a ton, They play a bunch of zone. But

974
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: you can tell watching tape that Jalen Petrie is the

975
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: ringleader of that defense, and he sets a tone that

976
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: is unreal. Everyone on that Baylor defense wants to hurt you, everyone,

977
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: and it starts with him, I miss you, Dave Randa

978
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and so exactly. So I'm in my notes there and

979
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, I just I have no clue if

980
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: this dude can cover none because he's just kind of

981
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: floating out there in his zones and you can tell

982
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: he's a smart player. And then the Senior Bowl stuff.

983
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: Every time that I saw, and you guys would have

984
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: seen more than I did, but everything I saw on TV,

985
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, this dude's blanketing people. If Jalen

986
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Petrie is a good cover guy, Jalen Petrie's a top

987
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: fifty pick, and so like, I think Jaalen Petrie helped

988
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: himself a ton and became a name that I'm now

989
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: intrigued by. If you could get to the Cowboy's second

990
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: round pick, ye, I'll tell you what, man, man eighty

991
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: eight years figured out how to scout Brian. Come on,

992
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: damn it, that is awesome. You're eight got it. I'm tired.

993
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. I want to hear

994
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: you like mf his opinion, Like this is Tyron Matthew

995
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: whoa okay, well that's a first round This is when

996
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: Tyron was like pick sixty eight. Yeah, but if you

997
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: know he is no, no, this is this is this

998
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: is Tyren Matthew. Is I am I am listening? Yeah,

999
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: this guy is a hybrid linebacker safety. He's sneaky. I

1000
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: mean he'll shoot gaps. I mean he has a you

1001
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: talk about a high football IQ, this kid right here

1002
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: has it. Could you watch him play? He communicates. It's

1003
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: like he's talking to the corner. He's down low on

1004
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: the right side of the formation and he's talking to

1005
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: the left corner about a crosser. You could tell he's

1006
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: like pointing and he's pointing on the other side of

1007
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: the field like this guy's gonna drag this thing. Get ready,

1008
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: you know. And so I mean the aware, the instincts,

1009
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, he could play the ball.

1010
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're right about the coverage stuff. I mean

1011
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: you were kind of thinking, oh, well, you know, how

1012
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: is he going to play? But the quickness, the change

1013
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: of direction. I'm serious, I will I will if if

1014
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: you told me I could draft a kid that like

1015
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: you pet cat kids and stuff. This is a kid

1016
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: right here. He loves to play football and he's really

1017
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: really good at it. You know what's exciting for me

1018
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: about that is I actually have faith that this staff

1019
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: might draft a guy like that well because for so

1020
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: many years, for so many years, that type of player

1021
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: felt like he was off the table. Here. I have

1022
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: a vivid memory somebody, somebody safeties as a linebacker exactly.

1023
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: That's so something. Whatever year he was drafted, Remember how

1024
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: much we loved Buddha Baker. Sure, we loved that guy.

1025
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: And what I kept hearing from that side of the

1026
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: building was where do you play him? Yeah? And I

1027
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: just remember being like, keep playing him on the field.

1028
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's one of the eleven. It's one

1029
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: of the eleven that go out there and try and

1030
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: make play. And I feel I have confidence that dan

1031
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: Quinn might actually do that too, especially with the versatility

1032
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: that he has. Now, this is fun because this is

1033
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: my third year scouting with you guys, right and I

1034
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: feel like this might be one of those guys that

1035
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I disagree on leheartedly coming from a Baylor fan. That's

1036
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: the thing is, I've been known to ride for the

1037
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: guys that I know play well for my team, right,

1038
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean go back to Jayalen Darden last year with

1039
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: North Texas, and I mean some of the guys early on.

1040
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: I agree with you in terms of the physicality and

1041
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: the versatility. With Jayleen Petre, He's gonna go all over

1042
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: the place. He's gonna play anywhere. He's a physical player

1043
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: when he wants to play. He takes a lot of

1044
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: plays off for me, he brother in law's these guys.

1045
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: He takes a lot of plays off. He doesn't play

1046
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: to the whistle. Ultimately, one of the things with him

1047
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: that I kind of saw as the Baylor side of

1048
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: things is once he got the reputation as being the

1049
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: ring leader, he wasn't the ring leader anymore. It was

1050
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: Terrell Bernard, the linebacker, who was also a Senior Bowl guy.

1051
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: By the way. It was those two guys that were

1052
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of trading places in the big games. Petrie wanted

1053
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: to step up and play in the Iowa States, in

1054
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the Kansas States games, in the Oklahoma State the first

1055
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: one not necessarily the second one in the Big Twelve

1056
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: championship game. He was just kind of there. He wasn't

1057
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: a impact player. I still think he's a second round talent.

1058
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to fall out of the

1059
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: second and that you shouldn't take him on day two.

1060
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't fall to you, or if he

1061
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: does fall to you a fifty eight, that doesn't mean

1062
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take him. He's a good player, but I

1063
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: do have my reserves about him, even as a guy

1064
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: who's watched him play for four years. Is ultimately ultimately

1065
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: my case. I don't think I would put him as

1066
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: high regard as a Tyran Matthew at that remark or

1067
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: at that point, but I do like the idea behind

1068
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: his versatility and what he could do on a defense.

1069
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: I like when Brian said better, it got me, got

1070
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: me more excited, just brought you right back down. Kyle

1071
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: said better. I like. I like a little bit a

1072
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: little disagreement hate. I did a little hate and going

1073
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: one know about his own guy, made him said he

1074
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like his own guy. Petrie hates football. I wrote

1075
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: that down, so I'll have that. I don't know that

1076
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: he hates football, but he getting he only would you

1077
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the second round you hate that

1078
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: hates football? No, Okay, then then then you're analysis, then

1079
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: you should not have him in the second round. Giddy. No, No,

1080
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's true. If you don't think that

1081
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: the guy can if you don't think the guy can

1082
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: make plays, or it takes plays off or is lazy

1083
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: and all that, don't put him in the second round.

1084
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Let me say it this way then, chie Richie Grant

1085
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: last year UCF. Yeah, who ended up going two picks

1086
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: three picks before the Cowboys were on the board and

1087
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy slammed the table because of it. That that

1088
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: guy I would be doing backflips over instead of Petrie. Okay,

1089
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: at the same spot. But I'm just I'm just saying, though,

1090
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to evaluate these guys, then

1091
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: don't don't have him as one of the top fifty players. Sure.

1092
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, to me if if you came

1093
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: out I would have more respect for you if you

1094
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: came out and said that he was I don't see

1095
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: this guy's the second round player. I understand it that

1096
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: if you disagree with him about the Tyron Matthews, and

1097
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, but

1098
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: don't tell me all those things. And then when I

1099
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: get with you in a discussion that you still have

1100
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: him in the second round. I have that. That's that's

1101
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: that to me does nothing for me. I appreciate, I

1102
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that you are passionate about the player,

1103
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: that you've seen the player, that you don't think he

1104
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: could do that. But if you say, hey, this guy's

1105
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: a fourth, fifth round guy, then I'm like, okay, he's

1106
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: committed to that, which you don't sound committed to the guy.

1107
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: I want him a back half, second round guy. I

1108
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: think that you know you you you killed the kid.

1109
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: You didn't think? You said he doesn't he doesn't play

1110
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: all the time. I want to divorce this. Did he did?

1111
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: He say he didn't play off? The man? I'm spectating,

1112
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: I got no, no, I'm asking a question of the

1113
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: plays off? So what did the other seventies? That's outside

1114
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: of the topic. So I want to then put him

1115
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: there before we kill this guy too quickly, who none

1116
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: of us have ever met. Not specific to Petrie, but

1117
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 1: you as a scout, if you get that vibe about

1118
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: a guy, how much does that ding him? He doesn't?

1119
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: Does he doesn't like foot? If he takes plays off

1120
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: or if his tape is inconsistent. Like if he's literally

1121
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: got the talent, yeah, but I mean the thing he's

1122
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: got inconsistent tape. If you watch the tape and he's

1123
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: not making plays, and he's standing around, and he's not

1124
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: in the pile, and he's not doing all those things,

1125
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: you put him where you think, Okay, it's it's not

1126
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: about the talent. You could say all the things you want,

1127
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: and about the talent, you're like, hey, this guy can run,

1128
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: he at times is physical. You got to put him

1129
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: if he's not making plays. See the thing about the

1130
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: reason I would say that this guy is Tyrn Matthews

1131
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: because he does make plays. You know, he is in piles.

1132
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: He isn't he sees him a different way, that's cool,

1133
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: But mean to me, the thing about it is, I

1134
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: look at this. If he's not doing those things, this

1135
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: guy loves football. I could tell he loves football the

1136
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: way he plays. Now, if he sees him a different way,

1137
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: that's cool. You know, I'm here for this, But that

1138
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: that if if I see a guy that has all

1139
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: the talent in the world that doesn't love football. We

1140
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: had a guy that was a tackle way back in

1141
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: the day named Ben Coleman, to play it at wake Forest.

1142
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 1: Ben Coleman was at Jacksonville with us. Ben Coleman only

1143
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: cared about making money to start the cold Stone Creamery

1144
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: ice cream. That's the only thing he cared about. He

1145
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: didn't care about He just played football to do that.

1146
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: He was a super super talented player. But you know,

1147
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: you knew in your heart, you're like, this guy doesn't

1148
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: care about football, So put him where you think that

1149
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: like that he's like where he if he if you

1150
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: feel like he's not that type of a player, that

1151
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: he really is not going to be a great fit

1152
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: for you and not play hard all the time, you

1153
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: gotta put him down there. And if he ends up

1154
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: being an All Pro and all that, then that's that's fine.

1155
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: When you say down there, fourth round, like, I don't know,

1156
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: I had the guy in the top fifty. Yeah, my

1157
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: friend here does not. Well, he said he did, but

1158
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: then he's crawfish on there right now, said there's a chance,

1159
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: and to it, I am. I think he's outside the

1160
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: top sixty. I think he's a bottom half second round player. Okay,

1161
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where it is. If he described him,

1162
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: but you described him as a guy that nobody should want.

1163
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: I described him as a guy that wasn't Tyron Matthew.

1164
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: That's ultimately my decision making there. I didn't want to

1165
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: kill the guy as he doesn't love football. I just

1166
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: don't think he plays up to his ceiling. He has

1167
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: a high ceiling. He has that versatility, the athleticism, the

1168
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: hitting ability. He comes up and plugs the run I have,

1169
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: will come down, lay ahead at the line of shirtmage

1170
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: and takes great angles to the football, which he does

1171
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: on tape every single time. However, when he decides to

1172
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: take a play off, he sits there, kind of hangs out,

1173
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: DAPs up the guy on the other line of scrimmage,

1174
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's not necessarily plays that are like run,

1175
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: plays of the opposite direction. Fourth round, No, okay, early,

1176
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean late second, early third. I'm excited. I'm taking

1177
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: notes when we disagree about players because to this point,

1178
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: if he mostly, if he's if he's a bust, I'll

1179
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: be the first one to admit it. I mean, I

1180
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: do I think this. I think this kid's got some

1181
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: special irony. I really do the irony, Like we did

1182
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: this extra segment to get two more players, and we've

1183
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: gotten from the one. What do you got, Brian, give

1184
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: me give me a guy who would you like? Well, no,

1185
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, I know I'm asking you what for another

1186
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: guy from the Senior Bowl that you thought was that

1187
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: you always impressive or you like their tape. I'll tell

1188
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: you what. To me, I was. I was on board

1189
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: because we were just talking about this kid, and I

1190
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: like what he did to finish out the game with

1191
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: the peatree thing and all that. I mean, I think

1192
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: that's what Jeff was talking about with you saw the

1193
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: cover skills, you know, those were the things that I

1194
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: think to me in the way that he was able

1195
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: to make the last play in the game, you know,

1196
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: the interception to seal this thing up, I think that

1197
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: was I think that's something you have to be happy about.

1198
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I'll steal Brian's time and give you another guy. Thank you.

1199
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: Jayalen Toilbert, South Alabama wide receiver, Yeah about him. I

1200
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: just saw a little bit of the stuff he was

1201
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: doing at the Senior Bowl and it was about the

1202
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: same time. I want say I saw him in one

1203
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: practice and then watched his tape that night. Jaylen Tilbert,

1204
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: South Alabama receiver is a really good player. Obviously, the

1205
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: level of competition isn't great for a lot of the

1206
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: games that he played, but he played Tennessee too, and

1207
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: he hung up like seven for a buck fifteen a touchdown,

1208
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: And it's nuance. It's knowing how to play wide receiver

1209
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: where you can sort of change speeds in a route.

1210
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: You can kind of manipulate where is a corner and

1211
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: where do you think I'm going and where am I

1212
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: going to end up? So Jaylen Tilbert South Alabama, I

1213
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: think is a really well rounded good player that is

1214
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: potentially top fifty, top sixty pick. That's a South Alabama

1215
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver that I think that highly of. You're not

1216
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: the first person I've heard say that, And it's so

1217
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: easy to evaluate receivers at these events, but I did

1218
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: think that there were a lot of guys that stood out.

1219
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned him in the break and again, like I'll

1220
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: just be selfish and bring up a guy that I

1221
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: really liked, but Stan Watson out of North Dakota State.

1222
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to fall in love with a

1223
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: big receiver, but I just like his skill set. I

1224
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: like his physicality. He's versatile, like he can play in

1225
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: the slot at six to four, which is fantastic, especially

1226
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: as a team that might be looking for a guy

1227
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: that can do stuff like that. I thought he was

1228
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 1: really impressive. Made a great diving catch in the game

1229
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon. Uh. It's ironic because I think we

1230
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys don't like these small school guys. I

1231
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: mean they'll they'll tell you they do, but they never

1232
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: draft him. There are a lot of small school guys

1233
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: down there that I really liked, Like, yeah, let me

1234
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: ask you this and practice. Did the kid Abraham Smith

1235
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: from Baylor had a really good game? Did you notice

1236
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: him at all a practice during the week to do

1237
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: with you? So he just showed up as a gamer,

1238
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: then is what happened to him? Yeah? How is he

1239
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: as a player? Then? I mean how is he as

1240
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: a as a running back? This was his first year

1241
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: as a running back? Oh? Really? Ye had sixteen hundred yards.

1242
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: He was a linebacker his first three years of Baylor

1243
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: that switched to running back. Had sixteen hundred yards. Was

1244
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: the best running back on the team. Very physically. Yeah,

1245
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: bowling just as I knew. You would sit just sit

1246
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: over there and be quiet. And he was not stand

1247
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: out in terms of the practices. I thought DeVante Price

1248
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: from fi you had a better week of practice. Uh

1249
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: my top running back, bring up your Florida guy. Yeah

1250
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: it was. Uh was Damian Pierce. Okay, I thought he

1251
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: had the best week out of anybody as in terms

1252
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: of a tailback. But I like Abram Smith a lot.

1253
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: He's good runners, amazing. He showed up if you watched

1254
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the game, though. He showed up in the game the

1255
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: way he carried the ball and stuff, like I thought.

1256
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a position that's harder to evaluate

1257
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: than not that it's hard to evaluate evaluate receiver, but

1258
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: it's just easy to see them stand out. Yeah, Rashad

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01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: White out of Arizona State, every time he got the

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Speaker 1: ball in practice, he jumped out to me, he's a

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Speaker 1: he's a big boy. It's so hard because there's so

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Speaker 1: many rotations and you're you're trying to evaluate the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But even against you in front, you do this enough,

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Speaker 1: you can kind of tell even it's a running back,

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Speaker 1: but even even in a non contact setting, you can tell, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: that run would have popped even even if it was contact.

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Speaker 1: And it felt like Pierce and Arizona State, White had

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Speaker 1: a lot of those where I was like, holy crap,

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Speaker 1: he's passed the safety before anybody can even get a

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Speaker 1: hand on him. So he's a long runner like big strides.

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Speaker 1: I mean he runs he runs tall too, like he's

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Speaker 1: got a very straight up stature. All Right, we sort

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Speaker 1: of covered some more ground on the Senior Bowl. But hey,

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Speaker 1: we got first fight. We got nine oh, Jalen Petrie.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie is circled in the notes not not not

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Speaker 1: a fight. But I'm just I'm glad We've got some

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Speaker 1: guys we can look back on and say, hey, you

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Speaker 1: were really right about that guy, or probably you're an idiot.

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Speaker 1: All Right, guys, we got plenty more weeks to sort

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Speaker 1: this out. We got plenty more Senior Bowl and non

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys to get to. We will see you Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us here on the

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