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Speaker 1: All right, we're down to four in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. He's Mike Harmon. I'm Dan Byer. Our executive

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Speaker 2: producer is Ryan Berschinger. Hit Mike up at Swollen Dome.

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Speaker 2: You can find me at Dan.

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Speaker 3: Byer on Fox and get Ryan at Ryan Berschinger. This

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Speaker 3: on X formerly known as Twitter. And yeah, guys, we

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Speaker 3: are down to four a battle of one versus three seeds.

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Speaker 2: And I thought we had three pretty good games this

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Speaker 3: One score games in the final three, the first one,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we need to spend a ton of

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Speaker 3: time with that. That's where we're going to start, Texans

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Speaker 3: and Ravens. I don't even know, Mike. If it was

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Speaker 3: as close as the.

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Speaker 2: Score indicated at halftime it felt.

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Speaker 3: Like it was a football game, but the Texans offense

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Speaker 3: really never got going.

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Speaker 2: Lamar was great and the Ravens roll on to the AFC.

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Speaker 4: Championship, suffocating Ravens defense. Obviously, the punt return for a touchdown,

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Speaker 4: I mean I celebrated it for what it was, seeing

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Speaker 4: as most everything is a fair catch or on kickoffs

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Speaker 4: roll you know, goes flying through the end zone. So

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Speaker 4: the fact that we actually had a return for more

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Speaker 4: than four yards or a fall down effort is always exciting.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, halftimes, like all right, I'm sure people in

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Speaker 4: Baltimore were puckering up a little bit given playoffs hit

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Speaker 4: the past, But then Lamar Jackson did some superhuman things

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Speaker 4: and you get yourself a laugher. But you know, when

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Speaker 4: it's all said and done, a great year for the Texans,

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Speaker 4: a lot of exciting moments. Now we'll see what happens

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Speaker 4: with the sick in the coaching process. Ravens with the

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Speaker 4: coordinators of their own to worry about going forward, but

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Speaker 4: you know, up ahead another game and rolling along, maintaining

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Speaker 4: that home field advantage.

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Speaker 3: I felt sorry to jump in burst, but I just

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Speaker 3: I felt the bar was so low for Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: in this game in terms of what he needed to accomplish.

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Speaker 3: And I just I don't think that we have solved

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Speaker 3: anything with Lamar Jackson or this version of the Ravens

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Speaker 3: for that matter, with this win against the Texans, Like,

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Speaker 3: the only thing that matters is what's coming up on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: And that's the one weird thing that I thought coming

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Speaker 3: out of this game was there was the see, you know,

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Speaker 3: look at what Lamar Jackson was able to do. Great game,

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Speaker 3: no doubt about it, and Texans were coming in rolling.

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Speaker 3: But this was a team that also has won a

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Speaker 3: playoff game before. You know, they went to Tennessee and

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Speaker 3: lost to the Bills in that you know, divisional playoff game.

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Speaker 3: But still it wasn't just winning a playoff game. And

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Speaker 3: when you have a buy this is something that you

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Speaker 3: should have done. I just felt like the bar was

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Speaker 3: extremely low. And while Jackson was great in the game,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that he changed anything. But for some reason,

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Speaker 3: I feel that there's this narrative that you don't know,

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Speaker 2: And I just I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get that sense that that's what he did

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think on one hand, we we kind of

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Speaker 5: we kind of prognosticated this game. And I'll you know,

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Speaker 5: I said that the Ravens will out and win out right,

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Speaker 5: but I was taking the Texans plus nine and a half.

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Speaker 5: And I also said that I thought C. J. Shroud

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Speaker 5: was gonna have a much better Fantasy Day than Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 5: and that wasn't even close to being the case. But

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Speaker 5: to your point, Dan, I think that it's hard to

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Speaker 5: quite frankly, they they were not really challenged like as

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Speaker 5: They were completely outmatched and as they really should have been.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when you get back into Lamar stuff, right,

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Speaker 4: how someone's setting a record, right, okay, the first time

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Speaker 4: this player or anything? Right, the Shanahan oh for thirty one? Right?

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Speaker 4: Was it? You know five plus going into the four Like,

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Speaker 4: we have all of these data points that were marching

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Speaker 4: exceeded expectations of the game, right in terms of a

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Speaker 4: we expected. So at this point it's the yeah, do

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Speaker 4: if the Cowboys had won their first playoff game, we

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Speaker 4: would have still shrugged for Dak Prescott and everybody else. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's not about winning a wildcard round. It's not about

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Speaker 4: winning a divisional round. Your your legacy is how many

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Speaker 4: you get to? That's where we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 4: separating you from everybody else that plays in your era,

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Speaker 4: and for Lamar Jackson, he's got to go and do

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Speaker 4: it again against a team that never says die.

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Speaker 2: The bar.

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Speaker 3: The bar truly was don't f it up, like just

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Speaker 3: you alluded to the you know, the first half, and

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Speaker 3: the Texans did have an opportunity if Fairbeard makes a

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Speaker 3: like just not the Baltimore laying an egg basically, and

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Speaker 3: Look at that. That's the Ravens. They didn't suck, you know,

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Speaker 3: Like this is if and I think that they are

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Speaker 2: If that's the case.

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Speaker 3: we're gonna really give them their flowers. I just I

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Speaker 3: just felt like we were when they didn't lay an egg,

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Speaker 3: it is. See the Ravens did what they did, and

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Speaker 3: I just think that that judgment is not only next week,

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Speaker 3: in Super Bowl fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's my takeaway from Ravens intent.

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Speaker 4: I think, right, it's you did was expected. Like Smith

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Speaker 4: got all mad at me, and we'll talk about the

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Speaker 4: millions game in earnest, but just coming out of last week,

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Speaker 4: of love to positivity, and he's like, wow, coach of

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Speaker 4: the eros O there, Mike. They were expected. I think

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Speaker 4: we all expected punditry. Whatever Vegas' odds were didn't matter

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Speaker 4: We expected the Lions to be good. So the bar

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Speaker 4: one odds was said, at least in my mind. Likewise,

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Speaker 4: with the Ravens, it was get keep Lamar healthy, and

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Speaker 3: That was it, and boom, here they are late in

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Speaker 3: one that Ryan Berschinger may want to forget. I'll just

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Speaker 3: I'll let you have the floor burst. Because you are

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Speaker 3: then have Jordan Love throw that interception. I how do

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Speaker 3: you feel as a Packers fan? Is there is there

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Speaker 5: I think it ultimately comes down to disappointment because I

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Speaker 5: Niners did not look good for most of that game

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Speaker 5: as a whole. You had, but with the Packers kind

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Speaker 5: because that's what that offense does. They can explode at

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Speaker 5: But then you have the Niners. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: they ran that entire four minutes as if they were

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Speaker 5: But if you're going to do that, and then why

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Speaker 5: it was baffling to me. So I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 5: don't score, and I'm like, this is this is set

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially after you then take possession after the punt

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Speaker 5: But there was still just this kind of overall looming

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Speaker 4: Forty nine Ers finished tenth in Fantasy points for defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about him for a second. Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 3: Neil downs and how that was done. And I think

433
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Speaker 3: it's a Here's why I think it's a bigger deal

434
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 3: because and it does go back to the kneecaps. It

435
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 3: does go back to to biting kneecaps and and changing

436
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 3: a culture. There is a meathead aspect to this, right,

437
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's It's what it is. And I'm

438
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Speaker 3: not saying that Dan Campbell is not smart. I'm not

439
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 3: saying that at all. However, when you have these details

440
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 3: like of course you know they're worried about biting kneecaps

441
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: and not you know, when to take a knee on

442
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: a certain play, the whole the whole stadium is celebrating,

443
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: but they're celebrating because it's been how long. It's the

444
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: sidelines of responsibility to be like, okay, we got to

445
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: make sure that we can celebrate, right. How Jared Goff

446
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: misses this, I have no idea you like, this isn't

447
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: his first rodeo by any means. How anybody on that

448
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: sideline would think that it would be all right, well,

449
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: we'll just take a quick knee so we can celebrate sooner.

450
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: Just doesn't make any sense to me. Plus, you missed

451
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: the instant replay call earlier in the game, on the

452
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: on the play before the Rashad White touchdown, where you

453
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 3: should have reviewed Baker being down by contact, which could

454
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Speaker 3: have changed the game. So now you kind of look

455
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: foolish in that regard. Yeah, just a really bad look

456
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: by Detroit. And these are things that most teams don't miss,

457
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: but for some reason they're missing. And it's why do

458
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 3: you think it's a bigger deal than maybe people want

459
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Speaker 3: to let on?

460
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I fully agree. I think that's what happened. I

461
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 5: think I think nobody realized and it just happened. I

462
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 5: think I can relate it to what we did, Dan,

463
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 5: where you were on air at the time. I was

464
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 5: producing your show, and we have Chris Purfette on the board,

465
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 5: noted Lion's super fan pride to Detroit podcast host, and

466
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 5: he is celebrating the second they got the interception, and

467
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,239
Speaker 5: he's he's very excited and so you and rightfully so

468
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 5: you bring Chris right on to to talk about it

469
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 5: as they're kneeling down, the celebrations going on. They're winning

470
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 5: the game. Everything's good. I what we we didn't realize

471
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 5: the clock issue either, because we also don't have the

472
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Speaker 5: sound on the TV. I don't know if the broadcast

473
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Speaker 5: mentioned it.

474
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Speaker 4: What's funny though, And I'll give him credit. Normally I

475
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Speaker 4: go out of my way to kill my on air

476
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: host partner, Jason Smith in a weeknight show. He's texting

477
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: me as this happening goes, why are they screwing up

478
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 4: the clock? It's like why are they snack? Like why

479
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: it's like what like in real time? Like I can

480
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 4: go back to it as like I don't know, I

481
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 4: don't know. They're conceding question mark. But we had the

482
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 4: virtue like sound and they're talking about the play clock,

483
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: but they didn't talk about it in terms of any

484
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: kind of questioning of it.

485
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: No, Right, Mike Turico's trying to think of some witty

486
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: way to say that Detroit. Yes, I'm I'm about up

487
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: to hear with Turiko. I know people love him, and

488
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: but I just like the the I'm so smooth. I'm

489
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: gonna slide in and I know exactly what you're talking about,

490
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna make this reference and bring it back

491
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: like No, you just be like, what are the Lions

492
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: doing right now? Like why are they snapping the football?

493
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: That's all you have to say. How none of them

494
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Speaker 3: got it?

495
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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

496
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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not gonna lie to you. Whenever there's

497
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Speaker 4: more than one game on, there's no sound on anything

498
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: on my TV. I'm well listening to music while I'm watching,

499
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: so I normally don't hear it, and I see the

500
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: back and forth about Rico or or every once in

501
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: a while if there's a particularly in a in conversation

502
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: between Nance and Romo, get heads up from someone about

503
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Speaker 4: how bad it's getting, so I'll turn the sound back on.

504
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: But otherwise, like just for that purpose, I like when

505
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Speaker 4: I'm in my bubble at the studio where I'm not

506
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: hearing it. In this case, if they'd actually been on it, yeah,

507
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 4: it would have been useful, but they weren't.

508
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Speaker 2: Well, as Burch said, we were on the air, so

509
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Speaker 2: we didn't hear it either.

510
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Speaker 3: But I know, like I had read comments and people

511
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, NBC didn't even mention anything about it.

512
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: They're just you know, ready to you know.

513
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: Grab the scene because that's a better scenario. And again

514
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: it's you know, this is making Michael Badgeley kick a

515
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Speaker 3: forty eight or forty nine yard field goal.

516
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Speaker 2: By the way, I would have punted if I.

517
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Speaker 4: Was well, that's the other thing, right, the press punt

518
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: was in play as well.

519
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would have done. I don't I

520
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: would have just tried to I don't know. Take a

521
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: punt and just try to kick a lde and drive grounder.

522
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't even know, like some sort of rugby kick

523
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 3: or do whatever you you can do.

524
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wouldn't.

525
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: Even have attempted to kick a field goal in that scenario.

526
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: I would have just said, all right, now you don't

527
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: have any timeouts. Now try to go twenty yards or

528
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, eighty yards and ninety yards in twenty seconds

529
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: and then do it there. But yeah, I just I

530
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: think it's a bigger picture sort of thing. We get

531
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: so wrapped up into the Lions and into the story,

532
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: and I do think that they are a good football team,

533
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: but there are there are gaps, and I think that

534
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 3: is that is a that is a huge gap. I

535
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: almost blame golf more than you know, just as much

536
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: as that blame Campbell or anybody else, or you know,

537
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, who's at you know, the apple of everyone's eye.

538
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: This would be the one thing I would be asking

539
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: him in his second interviews to be like, how the

540
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: heck did that slide? You know, can you give me

541
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: a little info in there? But otherwise, every I mean,

542
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: Lions offensively doing their thing again. Jamier Gibbs bursting onto

543
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: the scene, Sam Laporta and his one leg still you know,

544
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: of value, you know, offensively, I love that game against

545
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: the Niners that they're going to have. But yeah, I

546
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: had no problems with the Lions in what they did

547
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: and how they played and how they responded defense if

548
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: they get some holes. But offensively they provided everything that

549
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: we thought they would.

550
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was interesting to me. I mean I tweeted

551
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 4: it out, you know, poetic that you know. Offensively, they

552
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: just feasted over the middle all day and Tampa had

553
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: no answer for that. It started to out according to

554
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: the script that I thought, I if Tampa's gonna win

555
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: this game. And then Dean drops the interception in the

556
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: end zone. Now it's three points instead of seven, but

557
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 4: it's still a turnover and maybe doubt see seeps in

558
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. But living over the middle

559
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: all day long, free and free runners. And then defensively

560
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: you seal it with Mayfield trying to thread something over

561
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: the middle and Gardner Johnson gets them and then they

562
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: have their back and forth and whatever else. But offensively,

563
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: you know, just just finding base and if you don't

564
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: get pressure on golf, he will, he'll pick you apart

565
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: man especially with aman Ra Sam Brown running, Chris Brouts

566
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: and and as you mentioned, Laporta on his one leg,

567
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: like how he's run around rag Now. I mean guy

568
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: who's probably you know, the wacky doctors game operation. If

569
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 4: we were to do a true scan of his body

570
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: right now, Yeah, he sprayed this, he sprayed that, he

571
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: missed three plays. Let's go. You know it's like that

572
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: kind of thing. Uh, this winning time thing? Next level?

573
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: If the Lions make the Super Bowl, do you want

574
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: to do a rag Now parody song to.

575
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: Doll like that?

576
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Now?

577
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: Do you know the song? Dost correct?

578
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, laugh, but just because I know it

579
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: came out years before you were even born.

580
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: But I thank you then for appreciating the joke.

581
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: Yes, move and too vegs.

582
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: It's not the Super Bowl shuffle, but maybe maybe it

583
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: can work at What about the nightcap that we had

584
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Chiefs Bills? What can you say is Kansas City goes

585
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: to Buffalo and shatters the dreams once again of Josh

586
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: Allen and the Buffalo Bills.

587
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: I just will go to wrestling parlance to be the man,

588
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: you gotta beat the man and until you go and

589
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: take it from Patrick Mahomes he's gonna find a way

590
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: to get you. And the image of the game for me,

591
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: you know, everybody will look at Tyler Bass. I'm gonna

592
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: look at two images of Stefan Diggs. One where the

593
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: ball drifts harmlessly through his hand some sixty yards down

594
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: the field, and the other where the quarterback doesn't even

595
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: look at him, Yeah, and instead goes down the middle

596
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: to Shakir and throws a terrible pass.

597
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: Doug Doug said to me on the show on Monday,

598
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: he said, you know, on the Bills they played without

599
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: their wide receiver too, And I said they didn't have

600
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: their wide receiver one either because he was a no show.

601
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

602
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: Heck, he fumbled on the first play of the game, sure,

603
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: you know, and then they got the penalty for the

604
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: batting out of bounds. My lasting image, remember Chris Jones

605
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: holding out, Sure, and then he gets paid on that pass,

606
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: just completely bulldozes Dion Dawkins, who had some chirping and

607
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: God enough in the back like that, to me, was

608
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: was everything coming together at that point? Here's Chris Jones

609
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: who wanted the money, who was gonna hold out. We

610
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: knew that the Chiefs needed him. Boy, did they need him,

611
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: especially in the biggest game, and the guy who chirps

612
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: is the one who's being rocked. And then Allen gets

613
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: hit and it's on him because the ball just flutters

614
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: shortened too, like it's there was so much on that

615
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: second down play and that that's the point too, where

616
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: you have it and you're like, Okay, they're not gonna

617
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: win this game. That play doesn't you know, isn't completed.

618
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: You're not going to win that game. You're not going

619
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: to make another play to do it. It was at

620
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: that point even the Tyler Bass miss field goal, and

621
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: again the Chiefs, the Chiefs are the better team throughout

622
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: the game. So we're talking about Buffalo trying to almost

623
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: steal one at home, but it's that that Chris Jones

624
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: play in backing up and getting into uh to Allen's

625
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: grill with Dion Dawkins as the lunch beat in between,

626
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: is being my lasting image of that game.

627
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the especially the way the Bills kind

628
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: of played in the second half, really showed that they

629
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: were ultimately not going to win that game.

630
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: I think of.

631
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Speaker 5: That that last drive where obviously, yeah, sure they're setting

632
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: up for the field goal, but their first play they

633
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: run a one yard loss and then and back to

634
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: back plays. Instead of opting for guys open over the

635
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: middle who can move the ball closer for the field goal,

636
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: it just takes deep shots that had no business of

637
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 5: going anywhere. And then because of that, it's I don't

638
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 5: I don't really put everything on Josh Allen. I think

639
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: overall had had a solid game. It's just yeah, there

640
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: was there were a lot of things where teammates really

641
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: did not provide the help that that you would expect

642
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: to see from from a lot of these guys. Stefan

643
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: Diggs is gonna be a really wild conversation because, like

644
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: looking at Fantasy Wise next year, like where where does

645
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: he go? Because you're not gonna feel comfortable.

646
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: Showing up at our top sixty.

647
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I can tell you that.

648
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: And that's that is wild.

649
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: That cap hit thirty one million dollars for twenty twenty.

650
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: Four, Yeah, that's that's just that's crazy. But just overall,

651
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: I think you can't help but feel for the Bills

652
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 5: for sure. But I do think because of their season

653
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: as a whole, I get that a lot of people

654
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: are like, well, this was their this was their best shot,

655
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: just because the fact that the Chiefs weren't as good

656
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: this year, but also the Bills were not as good

657
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: this year, like they were five hundred for much of

658
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: the season, there were six and six at one point

659
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: and then still ended up in the two seed because

660
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 5: they won a couple of games that they needed to.

661
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: But so overall, the Bills were also really not as

662
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 5: strong as they have been in the past. So it's

663
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 5: hard for me to feel like, well, this is really

664
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: their year. It was just, well, this is the year

665
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 5: where the rest of the competition isn't as tight as

666
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: he usually is, and as we saw, the Chiefs defense

667
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 5: is still very good and Patrick Mahomes can turn it

668
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 5: on at anytime because that's who he is.

669
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: You missed some opportunities, for sure, I mean like there

670
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: were open receivers, open opportunities and plays that weren't made.

671
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: As well as Alan played overall and obviously making plays

672
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 4: with his legs. James Cook was a non factor in

673
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: the second half, so you've got that. The Stefad Diggs

674
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: disappearing act continued. But it is the point of all, right,

675
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: here's the afc Ravens are over here by themselves. Everything

676
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: else is kind of middled cheaps. We've seen what forty

677
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 4: four passes I think dropped was the number coming into

678
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: the game other than giving the ball to McCole Hardman,

679
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: which again we can all talk about what are we

680
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: doing here? And even look the bills on the fake

681
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: punt giving the ball to Hamblin. Yeah right, right, scall

682
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: wrong play ten men on the field for the Chiefs.

683
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: So like none of it worked, but like you're looking

684
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: at and the salary cap is easily manipulated. We know this, right,

685
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: you spread money out whatever else, but they've got a

686
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: lot of that that they need to do. And that

687
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: digs hit whatever it is, whether he's with your squad

688
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: or you have to make concessions to get rid of

689
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: him or whatever the case is. Like he wasn't happy

690
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 4: coming back, right because he took his shots at everybody

691
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: last year, comes back in and has an uneven year

692
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: because there were catches he made during the year. Guys

693
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: like I don't know many receivers that can go after

694
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: a ball and snare it with the hand strength and whatever.

695
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: And then there's others like that deep ball like Alan

696
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: couldn't have rolled that to him any better, right, Defenders

697
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 4: falling down and the thing literally flies through his hands,

698
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: like the number one receiver on the worst team in

699
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: the NFL makes that catch, the number two one A

700
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: lot of teams makes that catch in a big moment.

701
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: You didn't. You didn't come up big because I saw

702
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 4: people taking shots at at Alan stats like, well, add

703
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 4: sixty off a ball that should have been caught. Sure, right,

704
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: almos gonna wear at two fifty? Does that make it

705
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: feel better?

706
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's funny. I mean, he he also is

707
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: their running game. And I know that James Cook is

708
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 3: James Cook, but James Cook doesn't do what he does

709
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: without Josh Allen being the threat that he is in

710
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: both the running and passing game. I find I find

711
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: it interesting. And we'll wrap up this this game with this.

712
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: Do you think that they win a Super Bowl in

713
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: Allen's career let's just say, let's just say the next five.

714
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: Years as of now, No, I don't think so either.

715
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 4: I think there too much on that roster that needs

716
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: to be changed, and even the guy calling the shots,

717
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

718
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: In five years is actually a probably a better way

719
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: to do it, because then Josh Allen's going to be

720
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: thirty two thirty three years old at that point. You're

721
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: also your game is different, so you're gonna have to

722
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: change a little bit. I you know, they use their

723
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: tight end so much. I wonder if you go, like,

724
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: let's patriot this up. Let's do double tight ends. We're

725
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: gonna have, you know, Dalton Kincaid, let's add another one,

726
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: have some other deep threats. I don't know, maybe that's

727
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: counterproductive because he needs some room for Allen to run.

728
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.

729
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: I did see a graphic that for Allen since his

730
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: drafting in twenty eighteen. Obviously they brought digs in, but

731
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: they've only drafted one wide receiver and then the two

732
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 4: tight ends in the first four rounds.

733
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Shakira, Shakira was his most viable weapon.

734
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: I love that player, man, I do fourth.

735
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: Down, you know, a huge conversion with him as well,

736
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: Like he was the he was the guy I think

737
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: it's I think it's going to be difficult, which, by

738
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: the way, also then shows what Kansas City and what

739
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 3: they're doing, how impressive it actually is. So we'll get

740
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: into Kansas City and Baltimore. Plus that Lions Niners game,

741
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: there was a look back at the divisional playoffs we'll

742
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: give our thoughts to what's going to happen in Championship weekend.

743
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Beyer, that's Ryan Berschinger. That's

744
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: all next. When we wrap up, I want your flex.

745
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: So it is Championship Sunday starts with the Chiefs and

746
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: Ravens and then goes into the Lions in San Francisco.

747
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: That is the way that it should work out, time

748
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: zone wise, and OTV networks have a play in how

749
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: this all works out, but the Chiefs and Ravens will

750
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: be first up. And I I'll be honest, guys, not

751
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: to be a fence sitter on this, but I am

752
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: still scratching my head a bit on how these games

753
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: are going to play out on Sunday. And the reason

754
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: being is I felt every team in the playoffs kind

755
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 3: of showed who they were except one team, and that's

756
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: Kansas City. Because the Kansas City team that went to

757
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: Buffalo and played as well as they did has not

758
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: been the Kansas City team that I feel that we

759
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: have watched for much of the season. And now I'm

760
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: wondering to myself, all right, is this the time the

761
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: forty nine ers turn it on or are the forty

762
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: nine ers going to be the same team that I

763
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: feel that they've been over the last month or so,

764
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: and the same thing, you know with the Lions and

765
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: coming in all right, you know, for all of the

766
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: missteps that they have or they're the hot team, are

767
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 3: they going to be able to keep this thing rolling?

768
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: Kansas City being a different team in the playoffs has

769
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: got me really questioning what's going to go down on

770
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: Sunday end Championship Sunday.

771
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 4: To equate it to another sport, Right, there's a lot

772
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: of games and look, Dan and Ryan, we've been talking

773
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: a long time and cross sport analogies, you know, the

774
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: hate watching that began after the initial excitement of the

775
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: Warriors and the three point barages. But there always seemed

776
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: to be games where it's like, all right, for the

777
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: first half, they're kind of just slugging it out and

778
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: it's a dance, and then at some point the you know,

779
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: go to the gladiator line of at my signal on

780
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: leash Hellen, and then they have a forty five point

781
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: third quarter, Like wondering if there's any of that to

782
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: be had with the Chiefs regular season versus the playoffs. Right,

783
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: you're playing and you're kind of feeling things out. But

784
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: now that it's money time, guys are locked in in

785
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 4: a different way, not to say you're not trying and

786
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: looking at the second I look squarely at the secondary

787
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: and tertiary receivers, right, because we all kind of like

788
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: Pacheco coming into the year, and certainly as as he

789
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: went through the calendar or she Rice got more and

790
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: more confident, it's like, all right, we like him good.

791
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey maybe a battered, bruised, beaten mid thirties warrior.

792
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: Maybe we can write a folk song about him. At

793
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: this point, our Taylor Swift can do that for us.

794
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: But the idea is, all right, what else is gonna

795
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: come up? But in the playoffs, everybody's locked in, and

796
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 4: suddenly balls that were dropped, these guys are taken care

797
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: of the extra work on the offensive line, or maybe

798
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: it wasn't as clean. They've got a killer instinct to

799
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: get that extra yard and keep driving. That is just

800
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 4: a little different. So like, I don't have a feel

801
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 4: like doing the show Fox Football Sunday with Bucky Brooks

802
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: on Sunday morning. He goes, I can't count him out right,

803
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: it's weird. He goes, I'm gonna pick the Chiefs to

804
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: win the game because I don't know why, except that

805
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 4: they've got the guys that have done it and in

806
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: a big moment, I trust that they'll be there again.

807
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: First go ahead.

808
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, No, I fully agree with you guys are saying,

809
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 5: because this Chiefs team suddenly looks like a team that

810
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 5: can win the Super Bowl, and they didn't look like

811
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: that team at all this year. So now going into

812
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: this game where the Ravens are pretty banged up, Harbaugh

813
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 5: was saying today that he's hopeful that Mark Andrews and

814
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: Marlin Humphrey could come back, and if they're able to

815
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 5: get both of them back, that's that's a huge deal.

816
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 5: But not having Humphrey on that secondary would would really

817
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: hurt them. I think I'm ultimately going to pick the Ravens, uh,

818
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 5: because I think that they're such an incredibly well rounded

819
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: team and they've been so steady and Lamar has gotten

820
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 5: really better and better over over the back half of

821
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: the season. But it's gonna be a close one, and

822
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs end

823
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: up winning this because, like I said, this, this team

824
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 5: suddenly looks like a team that can win the Super Bowl.

825
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: And if they come back with with that this week,

826
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: they'll they can win pretty easily.

827
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: They know how to win, like they're gonna they're gonna

828
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: figure out ways where they can find gaps and find

829
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: their path And maybe there aren't a lot of paths

830
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: against Baltimore, but there were against Buffalo and knows why the.

831
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: Chiefs were the better team.

832
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: I mean, the perfect example is Travis Kelce, who's, by

833
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: by all our accounts and fantasy, was a disappointment this season.

834
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: Only two games over one hundred yards, five touchdowns all season.

835
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: What does he have? Two touchdowns?

836
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: You know?

837
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: Leads to the Chiefs in receiving and then you're like, oh, yeah,

838
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: there's Kelsey. Can't you know, can't stop. I'm like, it's

839
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: so frustrating. I do think Baltimore gets it done. I

840
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: do think this is their opportunity to change that narrative

841
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: we talked about, and now the bar.

842
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: Is really high.

843
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: Like you beat a Chiefs team that now has momentum

844
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: behind them, that's a tough thing to do. I don't

845
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: know if they need Mark Andrews as much as we

846
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: maybe think they need. I think it would be a boost.

847
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: I think maybe morale wise it would help with them.

848
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: But I just I think that Lamar is going to

849
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: be too much. And you know, for for as much

850
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: as we talk about Mark Andrews and we talk about

851
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: Zay Flowers, Odell Beckham Junior's been decent, you know, Rashad

852
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: Bateman's you know, been a guy that they can throw too.

853
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: So there are pieces there.

854
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: I'm just now curious to see on how this game

855
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: management goes because I do think that it's two teams

856
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: who are on top of things and will you know,

857
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: try to match wits.

858
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 2: But I just think Baltimore is ultimately the better team.

859
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 4: Baltimore defense, right, you got players at all levels. Well,

860
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't know about Humphrey as we sit and record

861
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: this at this point, whether he's back Andrews on the

862
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: offensive side. If nothing else, the red zone gets that

863
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: much more interesting. You can probably get deeper into the

864
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: playbook because you've got different looks because you'll have him

865
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: and likely two very large guys to contend with, and

866
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: then maybe off opens more running lanes and whatever you

867
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: want to do in terms of your playmaking there. And

868
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: that's the thing Can the Chiefs make enough play and

869
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: enough explosive plays against that defense, because you're not going

870
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: to bulldoze them, right, That's the one thing we know

871
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: when you get down to it with the Baltimore d

872
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: you know that they still take on that bully mentality.

873
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: So I'll pick the Ravens. But again, it's one of

874
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: those I can't wait to sit and have a nice

875
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: sudsy drink alongside me and just watch it unfold, because

876
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: either way we're getting guys. Either Lamar changes a narrative

877
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: right and builds on whatever good will last week's win

878
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: got him. Otherwise, maybe you know, we're getting back to

879
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes and people wrecked because this year he

880
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: played really well and nobody cared because it was about

881
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: what wasn't happening on the scoreboard, right, you know, they

882
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: weren't putting up forty points a game, they weren't pinball whatever.

883
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: It was like, All right, nice methodical team defense. Yeah, no, now,

884
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: but but when when it's winning time, you know, he

885
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: goes out and makes those plays and look, it's it's

886
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: storybook time one way or the other. On the AFC.

887
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: First, Chiefs, Ravens, did you give your pick.

888
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Yes, I am going Ravens, And I will

889
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 5: say to your point too, I think Odell is a

890
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 5: great daily fantasy player this week.

891
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: There it is a fantasy podcast.

892
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: All right, Lions Niners will do burst Mike, and then

893
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up. What do you like?

894
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 5: I am picking the Lions in this game. Actually, I

895
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 5: really do think that the Niners kind of sounded a

896
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: lot of alarms based on the way they played last week.

897
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 5: And if you're going into this game with Deebo's health

898
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 5: in question, I know that he's going to give it

899
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 5: an all, regardless of whether or not he should. But

900
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 5: the way that that team performed overall, I mean, granted, yes,

901
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: Mark Willard did did point out on Sunday that the

902
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 5: TV did not do the rain justice, that the rain

903
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 5: was more of a factor than it seemed were watching

904
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 5: the game. But I think the Niners showed that they

905
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 5: are vulnerable and the Lions are playing at a level

906
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 5: where they are, you know, ignoring their surroundings. So they

907
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 5: are they they are they are locked in in terms

908
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 5: of you know, actually like getting points on the board

909
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: and playing well this Lions. I hate to use the

910
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: team of Destiny phrase, but this kind of really does

911
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 5: feel like the Lions aren't going to have anybody stop them.

912
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: And as good as the Niners are and can be,

913
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: I think that there was enough shown last week to

914
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: show that they can very well be beaten. Yes, you

915
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 5: can throw on the Lions again Fantasy podcast. I think

916
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: George Kittle is a great play because tight ends throughout

917
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 5: the season put up great numbers against the Lions, and

918
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: Kate Otten just put up great numbers against the Lions.

919
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: So George Kittle, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes

920
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 5: down with like one hundred and two touchdowns. So but

921
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 5: I really do think that the Lions offense is operating

922
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 5: at a level that is very hard to beat right now.

923
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: So I'm going to pick the Lions.

924
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: Goes back to the earlier winning at the line of

925
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: scrimmage right when you're talking about Bosa, et cetera. The

926
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 4: Detroit offensive line has been fantastic. I know they're down

927
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 4: a member, but rag Now is going to give it

928
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: the old college try and get himself ready to exactly

929
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 4: see that's the callback. I love it. But it's the

930
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 4: the idea of can you get enough defensively on golf

931
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: right to disrupt him because he'll give you an opportunity,

932
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: but you know, can can you do it consistently? On

933
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: the other side, is debo playing or not? Like as

934
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: we record this, they say he's a coin toss he

935
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: doesn't play. Playbook change is quite a bit right in

936
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: terms of the gadgetry that you can do and how

937
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: you deploy things selfishly, I still have to pick the

938
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 4: forty nine ers, and not because of the just the

939
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 4: NFC nor thing. I can't listen to Smith for three weeks. Again,

940
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 4: it's it's also a mental health kind of thing for me,

941
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: the full on he picked the Lions to go to

942
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, so psychologically embracing for that look. And

943
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: it's also you know and tongue firmly planet and cheek guys.

944
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: I like tradition and sport and in society. And last week,

945
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: if everybody can belly ache about the death of sports illustrated,

946
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: I can lament the fact that the Lions are suddenly winners.

947
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: I need some things to stay the same, especially again,

948
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: maybe some of the Bears fandom mixed therein so the

949
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: bill's losing. And again going back to twenty seventeen, remember

950
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: the Bears made the trade to get Trubisky, right, what

951
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 4: happened to that ten spot guys? The Bills traded into

952
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: the Chiefs. So you got that going for you, which

953
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: gets brought up a bunch. But look, I love the

954
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: way the Lions play football, right. I mean we've been

955
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: talking about it as a trio for years, Like you

956
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 4: give me smash mouth football and two running backs they

957
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: can get after it and an offensive line that is

958
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: your MVP. Sign me up. Yeah, for the purposes of this,

959
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: I have to pick the forty nine ers for my

960
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: own health.

961
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: Fantasy wise, I know Gibbs coming off of his outing

962
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: is the hot play. I also like Montgomery in the

963
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: physical aspect because I do think that the Lions are

964
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: going to want to They're going to want to test

965
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: San Francisco. They're going to want to test that defense

966
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: and try to use their physicality. I don't think that

967
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: they want golf dropping back, you know, thirty five forty

968
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: times and maybe you do have some success. But I

969
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: do think that Montgomery could be a could be a

970
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: beast in all of this. The one scenario that I'm

971
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: going back to is when the Philadelphia Eagles had the

972
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: number one seed and Atlanta was the defending Super Bowl champs,

973
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: and they came in and NFC champs, excuse me, and

974
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: played them in a tight game and went down to

975
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: the final seconds and Philadelphia ends up winning. And the

976
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: Vikings come in with momentum from the Minneapolis miracle, and

977
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: it was just all Philadelphia that game.

978
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: And I just.

979
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: Wonder if Detroit in what these two weeks of emotion

980
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: took from them. And the forty nine Ers are just like,

981
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: all right, now it's time to turn it up. So

982
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: my heart says Detroit. But I'm picking the forty nine

983
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 3: Ers to win. I would love to see I'd love

984
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: to see a rematch of the season opener, you know,

985
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 3: Lions and Chiefs. But I'm going to rematch the Super

986
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: Bowl forty seven with the Ravens and Niners. All right,

987
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: that's it. You guys want anything else? Anything else? You

988
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: forgot any odds and ends tidbits we left on the table.

989
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 5: Oh here was the nonsin end. James Cook, as we

990
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 5: mentioned in his game, so his did you guys see

991
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 5: his rushing total? The over under was seventy one and

992
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 5: a half yards and at halftime he had seventy six

993
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 5: rushing yards. At the end of the game he had

994
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 5: seventy one.

995
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: Yes, so.

996
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 5: In the second half he was so bad that he

997
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 5: fell under his rushing total, which is just wow.

998
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: Guys had already spent that at the bar. Here's my ticket,

999
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: Give me that stake.

1000
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: You want to know what it reminds me of. And

1001
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: Mike will remember this. You may as well, Bursch.

1002
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: But in twenty eighteen, when the Brons were playing the Ravens,

1003
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb crossed the thousand yard barrier his rookie season,

1004
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: but on a.

1005
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: Carry lost five yards near the end of the game.

1006
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: And I believe it was against Baltimore and ended up

1007
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: ending up with nine to ninety six. And prior to

1008
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: this year, it was the only season that Nick Chubb

1009
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: was under one thousand yards in his career. Wow, I

1010
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: love yeah, going backwards, he reached it that year, he

1011
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: just didn't stay there.

1012
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: That's good enough for me, all right. So that's it.

1013
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: And somehow he ended up talking about the Cleveland Browns.

1014
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: All right.

1015
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 3: So four Ryan bersching around my carbon I'm Dan Byer.

1016
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: I think this is maybe our longest episode of the season.

1017
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: We'll be back next week getting a set for Super

1018
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: Bowl fifty eight and again, our top sixty draft pick

1019
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: draft coming up in just a few weeks. It's all

1020
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 3: here and I want your fly. So for Ryan and Mike,

1021
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm Dan. We'll talk to you next time. Enjoy the games.

1022
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: This is I want your flats.

1023
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: M hmm