1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey everyone, 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and welcome back to Killer Thriller. Today, 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: we're continuing our conversation with Emmy winning actor Jerrelle Jerome 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: about When They See Us, the powerful Netflix dramatization of 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: the Central Park five case created by Ava du Verne. 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: Here's part two of our interview. Okay, let's talk for 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: a second about the fourth episode of this series, which 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: is the final one, and I personally feel like it's 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: maybe one of the most powerful ninety minutes of film 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: that I've maybe ever seen, and it's for. 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: A million reasons. 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: You know, the violence, the injustice, the heartbreaking scenes with 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Corey's mom, the kindness of the guard. It's like it 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: covers like a multitude of things. So did filming it 16 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: feel separate from the rest completely? 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? Completely. I really was blessed to be the one 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: cast member who got to play both, so I played 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: an old. It was crazy that I got that opportunity, 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: but it forced me to completely separate the two in 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: my head. So I actually shot the first two episodes 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: while I was working out and wearing big clothes, and 23 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: then while they were shooting episode three, I went hard 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: in the gym to put on at least like three 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: to four pounds, so so heavier. And I came back 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: ten days later to shoot episode four. So it was 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: like maybe twenty days of episode one and two, then 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: a ten day break, and that ten day break was 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: gearing up for what I knew was going to be 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: episode four, because we shot it five days. I think 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: we shot it from a Monday to Friday, all of 32 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: those scenes. 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: You see that whole in five days? 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, because the whole shoot. Yeah, yeah, because I did 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: the whole thing in a month, So I have to 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: have just been about five days. The craziest week ever. 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm fifteen hour days. I probably woke up at four am, 38 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: got back home around nine pm, woke up or five 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 3: times straight. It helped a lot with what I was 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: going through. You know, Corey didn't sleep much. Corey didn't 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: get the time right Jelena's apartment bed, so it helped. 42 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, it felt like it was very intense, especially 43 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: for me because I didn't have any scene partners. I 44 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: spent a lot of those times alone. 45 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, talk about that. 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: If they really do a beautiful I mean, Avid de 47 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: Verne has just done another I don't even know how 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: to talk about her. She's so extraordinary. But those they 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: really try to reveal and do what it might be 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: like to be in solitary and how that could be 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: the how that could be the better choice. 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that was the thing about him choosing, of 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: him being in solitary, is he chose it. He chose 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: it to protect himself. The thing about being in prison, 55 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: and I think we all know this. You don't have 56 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: to go to prison or know that the person who's 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: most likely to get hurt in prison is a sex 58 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: offender and somebody who targets women. So these men in 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: prison thought Corey was guilty, and so they were at 60 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: any chance they could trying to teach him a lesson, 61 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: to the point where he asked the guard if he 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: can do solitary. And Corey ended up spending about four 63 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: years straight in solitary, okay, just to himself, throwing out 64 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: his hair, working out and god, ye it gets heavy 65 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: to talk about. 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: Did he talk at all about how you know, I 67 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: don't even know how to phrase this, like, how can 68 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: he talk about the psychological impacts that it's had on 69 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: him or is it so? 70 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's where the line had to be drawn. 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: I believe it's you know, the thing about spending time 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: with Coryus. You know, it wasn't with a notepad out 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: asking questions that were opening up anything that, you know, 74 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: it wasn't my place to do that. So it was 75 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: really about embodying who I saw him as today, and 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: I can only imagine who he is today has been 77 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: around forever. If that's you know what I'm saying, that's 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: what he went. So I took a lot of that 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: wide eyed, naive still young in my mind essence that 80 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: he has that sort of childlike beauty that he has 81 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: to as post asking him some of those hard questions 82 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: like well was this hard? Those questions were never necessary. 83 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: It was all in the script, it was all in 84 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: the documents, it was all in the files, it was 85 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: all in the court proceedings. His medical records are online 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: and you can see some of those injuries that he 87 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: sustained in prison and the squirm and that's all you 88 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: sort of need to know. The rest was getting to 89 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: actually know him, and he came a lot actually during 90 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: that last time he was there with me and I 91 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: was nervous about it. 92 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that. Oh my gosh. 93 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: Rough. I think at some point you'd stopped coming because 94 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 3: he knew it was hard for me. But I think 95 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: he needed it for himself. I think a lot of 96 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: this was was therapeutic for him. But he didn't come 97 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: to any of the prison stuff, that stuff, you know, 98 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: I think he stayed. He chose to stay away from 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: a lot of those scenes, like the Coney Island scene. 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: So that's also what's so beautiful. I mean, I feel 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: like that that this. 102 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: Episode, as I said, just covers so much. 103 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, it feels like yes. 104 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: Yes, And one of the things that they show is 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: his imaginings of which is the heartbreaking. Like I don't 106 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: even it's not enough of a descriptive, but that to 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: see imagining if he just didn't when Yusef Knox on 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: the window, if he just said no, I'm going to stay, 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: and then what that? 110 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was hard. That was that was that scene 111 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: was harder to probably shoot than the prison scenes itself. Actually, 112 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: you know, being in that restaurant, that pizza and pretending 113 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: he stayed and saying no, I'm gonna stay, No, I'm 114 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: gonna stay right here, go Go, Go go. Ava came 115 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: up to me crying after that take for sure, and 116 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: I'm getting emotional now, honestly super sad. Wow, it's been 117 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: a long time. 118 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. 119 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: I it's oh no good, it's heavy. It's it's supposed 120 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: to it's not supposed to feel like anything else, you know. 121 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: So that was that was hard, you know, and going 122 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: to the Corney Island and and pretending that he had 123 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: a lot of fun when he actually never went to 124 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: Corny Island as a kid. 125 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Rough, Oh, Lisa, you got I'm sorry. I I just. 126 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: Again, it's like, uh, it's it's so important. This series 127 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: is so important, and it really because of that thing. 128 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: You you know, people forget they were robbed, like they yes, 129 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: they're exonerated, which we're going to talk about how that 130 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: wasn't given as much attention as they're being falsely accused buzz. 131 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: But we we forget that there's a. 132 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: Whole part of life that is robbed that these boys 133 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: were robbed of, and that youthful kind of innocence and 134 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: joy and discovery. They didn't get it and you can't 135 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: take it back, you can't put it back. 136 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: And that scene really really shows. 137 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: That yeah, yeah, exactly. You know that's you know, you 138 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: can watch him in the cell alone and that hurts, 139 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: but when you really see him living a life he 140 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: never got to live, it hurts even more, you know, 141 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: it hurts much more. And again it's Ava's brilliance. You 142 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: know that that was as brilliance. It's let's get in 143 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: his mind and let's remind the world of what he 144 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: was stripped of. You know, it's called when they see us, 145 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: we see all of him, We see all of who 146 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: he is and all all of who he could have been. 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: And the the the exact the creation of it and 148 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: the timing of when we see that, you know, it's 149 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: so powerful. The placement of it in the story right 150 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: like it's we don't if you get it earlier, it 151 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: might be impactful, but the way that it is placed 152 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: is just like. 153 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: You've been through most of the story now and you're 154 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: so tired and you want and honestly, you want some joy. 155 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: You want to see the joy. And that's the beautiful 156 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: thing about that scene. The music's up and it's so 157 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: bright and it's sweet and honestly, as a New York 158 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: are coolest day on set by the way they shut down, 159 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: shut down, cony and really fun. But yeah, it's it's 160 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: it's it's you fall in love with him in that 161 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: scene you yeah, love with with him there, Yeah, yeah, 162 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: riding with him and then it shuts off and he's 163 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: back in that cell, and the smile fades and and 164 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: and the tears come again because you just realize, Oh, 165 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 3: it was all a dream, you know, and he miss 166 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: missed out on, you know, being in love, which was 167 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: also true. There was a Lisa in his life. 168 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: There was I was wondering about that. 169 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a girlfriend. Is he had a girlfriend 170 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: he really cared about when he got her at the 171 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: time of his arrest, and I believe she didn't make it. 172 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 3: He was he was inside. Yeah, And that's the other 173 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: tragic story stories. He lost a lot of people in 174 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: those twelve years while he was in there. Yeah, his 175 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: brother passed. It's murdered actually, but we don't show it 176 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: in the film. But yeah, I believe he's lost a 177 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: lot and didn't get to say goodbye. 178 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 179 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: I heard Eva in an interview say that she wasn't 180 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: even aware there hadn't been any information about his transgender sister, 181 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: which was his brother, and that then she just asked 182 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: him about it, and he very open heartedly spoke about it. 183 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: And that's another beautiful part of this series. 184 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Like it's it's just like I mean, I can't say enough, 185 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: but it's so well cast and that actor's phenomenal, and 186 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: it's like a streamlined it's beautifully done. 187 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: That episode with. 188 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: The King, Yeah, incredible, incredible, and we I just I'm 189 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: so happy about how the script was fleshed out for Corey, 190 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know, sometimes you get the chance 191 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: to tell someone's story and you don't give it enough, 192 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: you know, you don't let it all the way. But 193 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: the way this was written, I think it was so 194 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: classy because at you all the way in while protecting 195 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: him and allowing him to be able to still gain 196 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: his confidence and maintain his confidence. We don't show any 197 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: of the scenes where he gets abused. We don't show 198 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 3: any of that. It's we don't cut away before any 199 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: of it happens. Because it was never about the shock value. 200 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: It was never about oh, let's be like it, you know, 201 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: let's HBO this thing and make it just so right 202 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: by it's it's grotesque already. And the whole idea and 203 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: the concept is a horror film in itself. So we 204 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: just played it to it just it just I think 205 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: it was just. 206 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: Perfectly Yes, this is why it's so powerful that it 207 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 2: is not exploitative and it's not even very physically violent. 208 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: We see some of it a little bit, but it 209 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: is the most grotesque is an excellent word. 210 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: It just it feels that way, and it. 211 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: Forces it forces us to confront that, like we already 212 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: can imagine. 213 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: We don't have to see it. 214 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to see it. 215 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: And it's just the thing about those crimes when when 216 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: that's being done to you in prison, it isn't what's 217 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: being done to you that's gonna hurt more. It's what's 218 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: it's the after effects. It's it's with what's being done 219 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: to you. And I think that's a lot more important 220 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: than the actual action. It's the cause and effect of it. 221 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: You know, a man choosing solitary is not a normal thing, 222 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: that is, that is not right thing, and so you 223 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: can only imagine how much abuse that was done on 224 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: to them. There's two scenes that that is just scratching 225 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: the service of what he actually went through, because you 226 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: can only imagine if it's sent into solitary. 227 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: And it also feels like that guard I'm assuming that 228 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: has to be real, that he was showed him some 229 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: real kindness and humanity. But the way that it's shut 230 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: because because of everything we've just said, you wind up 231 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: feeling as if you were like, oh god, this is 232 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: going to go sideways. He doesn't mean it like he's 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: not gonna this isn't real. It's it was just like 234 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: every second the first time I watched it, I felt like, 235 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: please don't let this man turn out to be horrible. 236 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: That chows because at this point he seems like all 237 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: hope is lost. It seems like there's no chance that 238 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: this kid has any sort of hope in here. And 239 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: so that that that beacon of light within that officer 240 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: was so beautiful in the film. If I'm not mistaken, 241 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: it's two cops in real life too. He took to 242 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: him and protected them and helped them, and the care 243 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: it was both. 244 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: Of them in one. 245 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: But that was true, that there was somebody there looking 246 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: out for the chia pet was true. Oh god, it somebody. Beautiful. 247 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: Thing is that some of these you know CEOs, they're 248 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: not all the greatest, but some of them are fathers. 249 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: Some of them have children, and some of them see 250 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: their kids in these prisoners and in these inmates. They 251 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: do their job with care. They don't do their job 252 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: with this sort of ego. You guys are just they 253 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: move with actual I hope these guys get better. And 254 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: Corey was really lucky enough to find somebody. Mind you, 255 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: that's just a bit of help. It doesn't go anywhere. 256 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: You know, the back is nice, but my freedom is 257 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: what I want. And you know, these CEOs can only 258 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: do so much, so it's nice that somebody was there 259 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: to just hook them up with the gad comic books 260 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: or welcome to the bathroom, walcome, I mean welcome to 261 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: the step food walk to Yeah, things like that. 262 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, those little moments of you know, humanness. I it's 263 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: again why this whole thing is so I just like 264 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: required viewing, required viewing people like everyone needs to do. 265 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: It's so right because it just tackles all those sort 266 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: of It tackles everything, attackles everything at once, and it 267 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: throws and it's not apologetic about how it throws in 268 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: your face. I like, I've watched myself sometimes and it's 269 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: it's weird for me. This one was the hardest thing 270 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: I've ever done. I watched it one time and I 271 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: cried as if it wasn't me on the screen, as 272 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: if I like, I could have just been like, all right, 273 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: nice Drell, good performance, lives that stuff. I couldn't even 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: do that. I like, I was a wreck after watching it, 275 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: and I only. 276 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: When did you watch it? 277 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: Did you watch it with Corey? 278 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? I was living in this. I was living in Charleston, 279 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: South Carolina, working on another TV show, and they sent 280 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: me up a link like here's oh god, it comes out. 281 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: I'm just like cool, I can't wait, and I just 282 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, it's like at night. I'm like, I'm 283 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: just check this out on my laptop four in the morning. 284 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: I'm bawling and shaking, like. 285 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: If I got to know what was going to be next. 286 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 3: I'm watching it like I've never seen it. I didn't 287 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: even read the script, oh man, which is a testament 288 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: to the editing, to the direction, the colors. When you're acting, 289 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: you don't know what's going on. You don't know if 290 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: the camp is too damn close to your face, they're 291 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: too far away, or whatever it is. But when you 292 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: watch it all get pieced together so beautifully. The way 293 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: when they see it was. You know, it's emotional and 294 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: it's overwhelming. I didn't get to watch it with Corey, 295 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: but I do remember the first time seeing him after 296 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: he saw it. 297 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, tell me it was. 298 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: He cried. He cried, he had tears welling up, and 299 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: you know, tough cry. He's a tough man, tough tough. 300 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: I mean, probably no one tougher, and he was fighting 301 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: back his tears. He didn't actually say anything. He just 302 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: hugged me really tight, and he held me and he 303 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: just squeezed me and like he squeezed me harder than 304 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: he's ever squeezed me. And he yeah, and that's bigger 305 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: than the Emmy. That's bigger than the big splash, that's 306 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: bigger than the fans. He really hugged me tight and 307 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: backed away and just like grab my shoulders, and I 308 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: think he was trying to say thank. 309 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: You that moment at the Emmy's two when they all 310 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: stand up. First of all, you know, it's got to 311 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: be amazing to win an Emmy, but also it's not 312 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: every time that the entire place is like you could 313 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: feel it. Even when they're announcing everyone's name is before 314 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: you and. 315 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: Everybody was like what. 316 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: You know, and then like everyone and so and but 317 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: the five of them standing up like I can't. It's 318 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: like it's one of the most beautiful things and and 319 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: and tragic and all the things. 320 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 3: If their story has any ending, it better be this one, 321 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: you know. Like that was how we felt. It was 322 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: we we made it here and we got them here, 323 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: you know. So all then that every night we just 324 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: drank and we danced and we oh yay. Corey walked 325 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: along with the Emmy all night like it was his 326 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: he did. I'm thinking that, but he There's. 327 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 5: Pictures of us and him walking around and people were 328 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 5: coming up to him taking pictures with him, and he 329 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 5: was holding up the Emmy. And it was a big, 330 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 5: beautiful night and we forgot all about everything because we're celebrating, 331 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 5: like we want a championship, you know. 332 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: Right, And so it was nice. It was bittersweet. We 333 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: had sixteen emmynoms and I was the only one to 334 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: take it. 335 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: I remember that too, And I remember I'm telling you, 336 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm not blowing smoke when we started this interview, and 337 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: I was like, I have a lot of these saying 338 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: I was so attached to this show that and I 339 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: was ecstatic that you won, but I could not believe 340 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: that the others didn't like I was. I mean, there 341 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: were a lot of great There was a lot of 342 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: great TV that year, was. 343 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: A really really great show. I loved you. 344 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: I just was like, this should win everything all the 345 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: time forever. 346 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: How I felt. 347 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: No, I tell you, I definitely wished Ava got her 348 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: flowers for that at that. I think that for directing, 349 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: writing something, I think she deserves something. What without a doubt, 350 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: sixteen emmynoms and having the exonerated at the Emmys is 351 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: the account. So yeah, we, yeah, the project were grateful 352 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: for the awards and the recognition. We never did it 353 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: for that in the first place, So just a cherry 354 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: on top, you know. Yeah. 355 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: Well, it also feels like because, as I said. 356 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: Before, when you know, when they were falsely accused, it 357 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: was all over everything, every TV program, every news show, 358 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: all the newspapers, and then when they were exonerated, it 359 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: was like a little blip, you know, there wasn't really 360 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: any real And that's the other thing the people I 361 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: think don't understand like you can when they get out 362 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: of prison. It's one thing, that's a whole other set 363 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: of issues. But they're they're considered sex offenders, so they 364 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: can't go back to a normal they can't just go 365 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: and get a job and start their lives. 366 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: So the exoneration part was key. 367 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: That didn't happen until ten plus years after they got out. 368 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: I believe the exoneration was twenty eleven or ten or eleven, 369 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: and Corey got out in two thousand and two, so 370 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: that is yeah, ten years. 371 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 2: I think it was thirteen. I think it was twenty thirteen, 372 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: is that right. They'll tell me. I think it was 373 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. 374 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: Even longer, so you might be right. It just yeah, 375 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: I'm out, Oh you know what, I'm wrong. I think 376 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: he was exonerated and then the settlement happened at twenty 377 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: thirteen or oh. 378 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 379 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: Another another thing where it's like no amount of money 380 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: can pay you for the experience you went through, and 381 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: these guys now have to be sex offenders for so 382 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: long then wait to get any reparations, and when then 383 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: they get the reparations, it's a measly couple, you know, whatever, 384 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: to feel better. And so it really was so incredible 385 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: to do this show because I really think this show 386 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: is finally them getting their flowers, them getting that settlement 387 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: chat and getting exonerated and then leaving prison. That was good, 388 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: but it didn't it didn't change their lives, and they 389 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: truly changed their lives. Yusuf is running for like he's 390 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: like a politician so much. And Raymond started his own business, 391 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: and you know, these are family men now raising children 392 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: and they get to walk around and and and be 393 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: a beacon of LFE for people now and be an 394 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: inspiration for people, and that those years of hell for 395 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: them is now a sign of triumph for everybody else. Yep, yep. 396 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: If your life is cursed with such an experience they had, 397 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: it's it's nice to know that at least in the 398 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: end of it. All I got to teach some is 399 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: that it was called the Central Park five, but it 400 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: could be the Central Park a million, because there's so 401 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: many of us, and there's so many falsely incarcerated people 402 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 3: in prison right now sitting there who also accompanied their 403 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: friend to the station and should and they now hear 404 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: that when they see us is out and their story 405 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 3: doesn't get told. And you know, it's a special shout 406 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: out as well to those people who actually have heard 407 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 3: of when they see us but are still incarcerated and 408 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: don't get to get their story out there. 409 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that is one of the most important 410 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: things about this that it helped to change the court 411 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: of public opinion. You know. 412 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: It's so. 413 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: That's a really difficult thing to do once something has 414 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: been so skewed one way, and I do think that 415 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: this series helped to shift that narrative. We still have 416 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: a ton of work to do in that area, but 417 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: it helped for. 418 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: Sure, I think so too. And it shed light to 419 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: like things like the Innocence Project, nofit that's helping people 420 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 3: are innocent in prison. It's a lot of the community 421 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: that didn't know about these things, and they have uncles 422 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: in prison and cousins in prison and dads in prison. 423 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: I've actually heard specifically from dms and young kids saying 424 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: that they're going to get into law and justice and 425 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: that they're going to some got A boy said, I 426 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: went to go visit my father for the first time 427 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: in prison. I wanted to actually meet him because I 428 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: can't imagine what he's going through in there, and I 429 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: never thought about it. I never met him, so I 430 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: didn't care. But I actually went to go check him 431 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: out seeing the show. 432 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: You know, Wow, I mean that is. 433 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: Heavy. Yeah, I knew this was going to be talking. 434 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: I really I hope that, you know my whole thing. 435 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: And you know, everybody's so interested in true crime and 436 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: obsessed and all these things, and to me, I am 437 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: so interested and invested in the humanity behind these things. 438 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: And how do we get how do people get from 439 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: A to Z? If we're talking about someone who's murdered someone, 440 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: but like in this case of how the triumph of 441 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: the human spear all five of them, you know, different 442 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: to be able to come through this and have a message. 443 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: I mean, and Corey is really like a beacon of 444 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: light of that, but all of them being able to 445 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: come through this thing and have fruitful lives, be able 446 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: to speak on other people's behalf to use it as 447 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: like sort of it's like answering the call of your life, 448 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: you know, whether it's the one you wanted or. 449 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 3: Not, whether it's what you wanted or not. So yeah, 450 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: very well said that's exactly what I feel like they 451 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 3: feel now, you know, And I just hope that they 452 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: can can continue to hold on to that feeling because 453 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: the thing about it is, these things come and go 454 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: as well when they see us made a lot of 455 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: noise in twenty nineteen, but we haven't really had a 456 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: project follow up, you know, we haven't more. It didn't 457 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: open up a floodgates of projects that are so important 458 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: like that, and so a lot of that conversation did 459 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 3: go back into the darker bit. And so I just 460 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: hope that the five men don't get that feeling that 461 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 3: you know, some actors might get. It's like, wow, look 462 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: at the fame and oh it's gone now. It might 463 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: do that, you know, right right. I can't imagine that's 464 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 3: the case, but I just I just hope that they 465 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: continue to like, you know, feel like that beacon of 466 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: light that they. 467 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 4: Are, you know, yeah, yeah, we. 468 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: Get more projects like this. 469 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 2: Man me, I'm so deeply honored and I truly mean 470 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: it that you spent this time with me and that 471 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: you've been so forthcoming and open hearted. 472 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: And again, when. 473 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: They see us is streaming and if you have not 474 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: seen it, this is your time to do that is 475 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: required viewing and tell us is there anything you want 476 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: to share about what you're doing now or what's coming up. 477 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm in this nice, relaxed sort of period of time 478 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 3: right now where I'm sort of figuring out what's next. 479 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm working on Spider Verse. 480 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: Though, oh little thing called that, H called. 481 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: That that I can't ever talk too much about. But 482 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 3: I always working on and I just booked something last 483 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: week that I'm very excited to talk about. I'm going 484 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: to wait, though, because you're still being closed. 485 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, let's not. Let's not. Let's give it 486 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: all a good mo Joe. 487 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: You know it's in a while. I'm very selective, and 488 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: I'm purposely selective. It's to do something like when they 489 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: see us, you don't want to go back, you know, 490 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: you know, you want to try to find something that 491 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: if it doesn't if it's not as coachually impactful, it 492 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 3: at least challenges me as an actor the way I 493 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: found that. And so I'm excited. 494 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: Okay, grit, I'm I'm excited. I told you I'm the 495 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: president of your fan club. 496 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: At least, I really, actually, really really enjoyed this conversation. 497 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 3: It was a boo. 498 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm so glad. 499 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're You're a big heart, and I 500 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: I wish you the best of everything, and I can't 501 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: wait to see what's next. 502 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: Hopefully we talked soon about something else cool. 503 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: I would love it.