Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. With the first Major just around the
Speaker 1: corner at Augustin National, I thought we would do a
Speaker 1: little deep dive into what that golf course is like.
Speaker 1: And I can't think of two better people to talk
Speaker 1: about what it's like to be on that golf course.
Speaker 1: Kessler Karine and Austin Johnson. They have both been on
Speaker 1: the Bad. Kessler caddies for Patrick Reed. Patrick Reed won
Speaker 1: a green jacket obviously. Austin Johnson AJ caddies for his brother,
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. DJ won a green jacket in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I think their INSIGHT's kind of a deep dive into
Speaker 1: what to expect on the golf course because it is
Speaker 1: such a unique place, the fact that it's the same
Speaker 1: golf course every year. But I think the caddies probably
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Speaker 1: think a deep dive with AJ and Kessler you'll be
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Austin Johnson and Kessler Crane a really
Speaker 1: really good pod and if you're looking forward to the Masters,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of info from two of
Speaker 1: the best caddies in the game, Kesler and AJ. You
Speaker 1: both have been lucky enough to be on the bag
Speaker 1: for a win at Augusta Nashville. Kesler with Patrick Reid
Speaker 1: obviously AJ with your brother DJ. I've had players on
Speaker 1: before the Masters to do kind of a Master's preview
Speaker 1: to talk about what it takes to win around there.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think you guys being on
Speaker 1: the bag probably have as much of a ringside seat
Speaker 1: to how it different. How is Augusted different for you
Speaker 1: guys as caddies versus other weeks. What what what makes
Speaker 1: that week different?
Speaker 2: Hey Jah, Yeah, sure, I'll start off. Well. First off,
Speaker 2: first thing that comes to mind is it's physically the
Speaker 2: most demanding week of the year for the caddies. I
Speaker 2: mean it's to me, it's the hardest walk of the year.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're in the gym six seven days
Speaker 1: where you're in unbelieve you both are in unbelievable shape.
Speaker 1: And it is a hard, hard walk around that place
Speaker 1: for a week.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a tough walk. You got the jumpsuit
Speaker 2: on as well, Sorry about that. You got the jumpsuit
Speaker 2: on the way as on as well, which adds another
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty. It can be hot in April there
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, and I mean, and then outside it
Speaker 2: being the most physically demanding mentally, it's the most demanding
Speaker 2: tournament as well, because it's the biggest tournament of the year.
Speaker 2: A and I mean every shot from a caddies point
Speaker 2: of view, there's there's some sort of trouble. You don't
Speaker 2: want to hit it here, you can't miss here, you
Speaker 2: don't want to do it. So for me, I'm just
Speaker 2: try not to think of it. But there's just so
Speaker 2: many things that you're sitting there thinking of, you know,
Speaker 2: don't do this, don't do that. It's it's it's a
Speaker 2: grueling week. I mean, I'm definitely Sunday night leaving Augusta's
Speaker 2: the most tired you are the entire year. It's the
Speaker 2: best week of the year, but it's definitely the most
Speaker 2: demanding week of the year. For sure, and I'll.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, obviously we hear so much h Augusta
Speaker 1: about to win. Not only as a player do you
Speaker 1: have to control what your golf swing is doing, control
Speaker 1: the shots, but you have to kind of control your mind.
Speaker 1: And they talk about it being so demanding mentally. AJ
Speaker 1: just alluded to it. But what do you find kes
Speaker 1: when you're out there when you got when you and
Speaker 1: Patrick Reid we out there when you guys won, did
Speaker 1: you feel that it was taxing mentally? Even as a caddie.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Everyone always asks, oh, that must have been so
Speaker 3: much fun, and you're like, yeah, after after is fun.
Speaker 3: Everything leading up to that, you know, pin going down
Speaker 3: on eighteen and taking the flag off is just grueling,
Speaker 3: you know, and stressful to the tee. I mean, we
Speaker 3: came into the eighteen with a one shot lead, so
Speaker 3: we had to have par on eighteen and that hole
Speaker 3: is a beast and my guy is more of a
Speaker 3: draw player, but he's got a lot of shots in
Speaker 3: the bag and he hit a perfect cut down the
Speaker 3: fairway and right after that, you're feeling really confident because
Speaker 3: you're in the best possible position to make parr sitting
Speaker 3: there in the fairway on eighteen. But like AJ said,
Speaker 3: I mean it's physically taxing. And I think also like
Speaker 3: our fitness level helps out a great deal and decision
Speaker 3: making ability because we're not maybe when other guys are
Speaker 3: climbing up that hill on eight after having to rake
Speaker 3: that bunker and then you got to get the layout
Speaker 3: number after that's one of the worst walks out of
Speaker 3: us one hole, like t shot, I go, please, everyone
Speaker 3: just hit this fairway because somebody's gonna have to rake
Speaker 3: that bunker and I don't want it to be me,
Speaker 3: But it helps. I think, you know, when you're tired,
Speaker 3: we're not thinking maybe as much about catching our breath
Speaker 3: as some other caddy that's out of like out of shape,
Speaker 3: and we're able to make better decisions. And at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, with all the things,
Speaker 3: like all the things that could go wrong, I just
Speaker 3: feel like being confident with whatever you say and not
Speaker 3: having to look back on it, because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you like when you finish, if you
Speaker 3: finish second there or third there, you start that Sunday
Speaker 3: night probably chalking up certain strokes here and there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we hear I mean, one of
Speaker 1: the things I think that makes Augustus so great is
Speaker 1: that it is played at the same golf course every year.
Speaker 1: But that also means that everybody kind of knows where
Speaker 1: the trouble is and all of that. So you guys
Speaker 1: as caddies, are there holes out there that when you
Speaker 1: get through there with a par that you're just like
Speaker 1: that you feel even during the tournament that you feel
Speaker 1: a relief or there's certain pin positions for everyone listening
Speaker 1: that will watch or will go to Augusta what are
Speaker 1: what are the holes that you all think are ones
Speaker 1: that are difficult and they don't look difficult on TV?
Speaker 1: Do you have one?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean for me, they all look
Speaker 2: they all look difficult. But I think the big thing
Speaker 2: is is when when you make that turn ten eleven twelve,
Speaker 2: you can get off to a good start on the
Speaker 2: back nine there, then then you you know, you really
Speaker 2: feel good about about shooting a good number. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like ten ten eleven twelve, that
Speaker 2: stretch causes a lot of people a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: It's it's a stressful, especially eleven elevens of beast a
Speaker 2: cold day.
Speaker 1: So when you guys are out there. You know it's difficult, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there is there's danger lurking all
Speaker 1: over that golf course. But you guys have both caddy
Speaker 1: for players that have won a green jacket, so obviously
Speaker 1: you know there were good shots out there. Is it
Speaker 1: a mindset that Augusta that I think I feel like
Speaker 1: it can sometimes lull you into this kind of defensive
Speaker 1: mode constantly being on the defensive. So when you do
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to be aggressive, you do get a
Speaker 1: good putt, you maybe sometimes feel like this is I
Speaker 1: have to take advantage of that. So when you guys
Speaker 1: are out there on the bag and you're talking to
Speaker 1: the guys, how do you guys balance that to where
Speaker 1: when to be aggressive out there? Or there times at
Speaker 1: Augusta during the tournament or other times you can be aggressive,
Speaker 1: And what are those times?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a few years where the greens
Speaker 3: were just a little bit softer than they typically are,
Speaker 3: like whole fifteen that back right pin. I mean, I
Speaker 3: remember a couple of times if you hit the right bunker,
Speaker 3: that up and down was not fun. And then I
Speaker 3: remember there's one year where it wasn't that bad, Like
Speaker 3: remember what I always in The Caddyshack in the morning,
Speaker 3: you're watching on TV and you're seeing a couple of shots,
Speaker 3: and I just remember seeing a couple times where I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that usually doesn't play that like it usually just runs
Speaker 3: away or it's too firm. So I remember there's a
Speaker 3: few years where it's just certain shots you can play,
Speaker 3: or like back left on thirteen impossible, up and down
Speaker 3: to that back left pin. But sometimes it's it's doable.
Speaker 3: I mean, especially with Patrick's Hans, I get the luxury
Speaker 3: of the fact that, I mean, some of the hardest
Speaker 3: chips looks so easy. So that's one thing for me
Speaker 3: where I look at I get to look at certain shots,
Speaker 3: certain up and downs a little bit different where I'm like, ah,
Speaker 3: that's all right over there, and some guys might be like,
Speaker 3: I never want to be over there.
Speaker 2: Do you guys prepare more out of say some of that.
Speaker 2: I think I think Kessler was spot on with the
Speaker 2: firmness of the greens. If August of the greens are firm,
Speaker 2: you're not aggressive. You might not be aggressive one time
Speaker 2: all round you're trying to hit somewhere into the heart
Speaker 2: of the green and meet of the green. And leave
Speaker 2: yourself a up he'll putt, you know. And yeah, if
Speaker 2: it's soft like you can November when dust and want it,
Speaker 2: then yeah you can. You can go more directly at
Speaker 2: flags and you don't have to worry about the runoffs
Speaker 2: and not getting in the bad spots and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it all depends if Augusta's firm and fast,
Speaker 2: you very flat, very few flags do you ever take on?
Speaker 1: Do you guys like it? The players say they like
Speaker 1: it when it's firm and fast. Do you guys as
Speaker 1: caddies like it when it's firm and fast Augusta?
Speaker 2: I like it when it's firm and fast. I think
Speaker 2: it shows the teeth of the golf course a little
Speaker 2: more because you know, the fans on TV, they want
Speaker 2: to see the ball, you know, rolling forty feet away
Speaker 2: from the pin and stuff like that, and so it's
Speaker 2: I think so I think the players, like anybody, wants
Speaker 2: the golf course to be. You know, it's as hard
Speaker 2: as it not as hard as it can be, but
Speaker 2: as hard as the tournament wants it to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as it's not in like the Mickey
Speaker 3: Mouse mode of that place can get especially depend on
Speaker 3: like win conditions and everything. But I like it firm
Speaker 3: and fast because I think it plays into Patrick's game.
Speaker 3: I think you know when you met, when it's firm
Speaker 3: and fast, it usually plays harder, and I think he
Speaker 3: shines in those situations.
Speaker 1: Preparation wise, do you feel like it's a golf course
Speaker 1: as a caddy that you prepare more for or is?
Speaker 1: And mentally do you feel like you need to prepare
Speaker 1: more go out on the course without the player, walk around,
Speaker 1: figure out where everything's going to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but for whatever reason, it's the
Speaker 2: only week of the year it's the same course, same everything,
Speaker 2: every year, and I go out and double and triple
Speaker 2: check my numbers every single year. You know, they move
Speaker 2: a few boxes.
Speaker 4: They make minute changes in the trick of the changes
Speaker 4: that they make it because I think that's the most
Speaker 4: amazing thing about that golf course is they can.
Speaker 1: Set it up any way that they want, right. They
Speaker 1: can set up up to where they can protect power,
Speaker 1: they can set it up to where they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let guys go. But from a preparation standpoint,
Speaker 1: it is a golf course that I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: have played, and I mean you guys have played there
Speaker 1: and caddied there so many times. But I do think
Speaker 1: it does the same thing to caddies that it does
Speaker 1: to the players, that it's this Jedi mind trick. You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to make sure I've got this this, I
Speaker 1: need to make sure I've got that site line. And
Speaker 1: I would imagine for you guys, because once you guys
Speaker 1: get out there, you don't want to be in a situation,
Speaker 1: especially on that golf course, where you get a number
Speaker 1: or get a situation you don't have an that you
Speaker 1: don't have an answered. I've got to think that's got
Speaker 1: to be the hardest place to not have an answer to.
Speaker 3: I mean, and caddies always have to have an answer
Speaker 3: no matter what. There's never I don't know what do
Speaker 3: you think? You know? It's it's tough to be it
Speaker 3: can't ever get comfortable.
Speaker 2: There there as well. Also, it gives you at least
Speaker 2: amount of information.
Speaker 1: That really I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty basic. You get like the bunker numbers
Speaker 2: and stuff, but there's no.
Speaker 1: Not like a regular week you got pictures.
Speaker 3: They're not going to give you a slope on any
Speaker 3: of those numbers either, So you got to go get
Speaker 3: all the slopes. Now, the slopes generally are pretty much
Speaker 3: the same, but the heads change a little bit, so
Speaker 3: it might be one off here and there, so you
Speaker 3: just always have to double check. But it's a place
Speaker 3: that just wants to keep you uncomfortable, and you can't
Speaker 3: ever get comfortable like one every you know whereas here
Speaker 3: like certain places you've seen them like ten times, like
Speaker 3: you and l a cc or not lacc Riviera. I
Speaker 3: feel like you're super comfortable there.
Speaker 1: Like do you as a caddy, do you think there
Speaker 1: are any caddies that feel comfortable around Augusta Nashal And
Speaker 1: you would think that the two of you would feel
Speaker 1: comfortable around there, caddy, because you guys have you guys
Speaker 1: have been on the bag for weeks.
Speaker 2: I can answer for myself. I don't feel comfortable, right man.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know how anybody maybe bones
Speaker 2: he's been around there enough. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe the caddies that work there, but then put them
Speaker 3: in the tournament situation and that changes.
Speaker 2: You know, Nothing about that place makes me feel feel
Speaker 2: very comfortable. I mean, I love the golf course, my
Speaker 2: favorite golf course in the world. But it's it's definitely
Speaker 2: the most challenging golf course for caddies and the biggest
Speaker 2: tournam of the year. I don't know, I get nervous
Speaker 2: during the practice routes just caddying.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable the fans are screaming during practice
Speaker 3: routes and not screaming, but like they're in every shot
Speaker 3: during practice routes sometimes.
Speaker 1: So what's more difficult has caddies to figure out around
Speaker 1: the gusta the greens or the wind? Because I think
Speaker 1: some of the great shots at Augusta are on that
Speaker 1: twelfth hole where they're in the lead and they're standing
Speaker 1: there and they're trying to So you both agree that
Speaker 1: it's the wind.
Speaker 3: I'd say it's more important for us to know the
Speaker 3: wind than where the where the break around the green
Speaker 3: is because at least the player you know he can
Speaker 3: hit the putt and they and they play so much
Speaker 3: and they hit so many practice What.
Speaker 1: Are the hardest places on that golf course to gauge
Speaker 1: the wind? Front?
Speaker 2: For me, that's six t is sneaky because you can't
Speaker 2: ever feel the wind there and straight down hills the
Speaker 2: balls up in the air. The part three six, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't ever feel the way
Speaker 2: twelve is obviously.
Speaker 3: The most famous, means said some reason six You just
Speaker 3: can't You can't feel any win there.
Speaker 2: And it's a t shot where you need to control
Speaker 2: the distance and it's ratten. I mean it's so downhill.
Speaker 2: I mean it's got to play what ten down or
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, for sure, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that that one's always a tough one to
Speaker 2: give him a number to commit to.
Speaker 1: Are there places on the golf course, guys in the
Speaker 1: fair ways for second shots?
Speaker 2: That second shot on fifteen, it is a good one
Speaker 2: with the windows.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you're trying to be elevated.
Speaker 3: Shots, I mean personally just me, but fourteen as well,
Speaker 3: like the second shot in fourteen had some close calls
Speaker 3: there or just sometimes.
Speaker 2: You gotta be a number because you come up a
Speaker 2: little short.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on that right pin when we won, we kept
Speaker 3: it short of the pin. I mean there's maybe four
Speaker 3: feet over and it's like not a good caddy number,
Speaker 3: but definitely got a little bit of luck. And I
Speaker 3: think around there sometimes you need a little bit of luck.
Speaker 3: Every everyone who's won there has maybe a little bit
Speaker 3: of luck somewhere.
Speaker 1: Because it is because of the green complexes and the
Speaker 1: way that they're designed, and some of the pin positions
Speaker 1: that they can put pins at Augusta are so difficult
Speaker 1: to get to the numbers that you guys are talking
Speaker 1: about the difference between being one or two yards out.
Speaker 1: You can have catastrophic situations happened to where like when
Speaker 1: they put that pin back right on AJ you were
Speaker 1: talking about the six the part three back right, there's
Speaker 1: probably only five five steps to land that you can
Speaker 1: be posing on one and it comes up a yard
Speaker 1: short and then you are down all the way down
Speaker 1: and you're struggling to make both you.
Speaker 2: Got one hundred foot but at left is where you
Speaker 2: end up. Yeah, you've landed at four paces from the pen.
Speaker 2: Now you got a one hundred foot two point Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's one.
Speaker 2: You got to be spot on with the number, and
Speaker 2: you can't really fill a win there. It's just just
Speaker 2: a tricky.
Speaker 1: Little Obviously, the obvious places at Augusta that you have
Speaker 1: to pick up shots are the par fives, the second hole,
Speaker 1: the eighth hole, thirteen and fifteen. How important and is
Speaker 1: that something that you think is in the players heads,
Speaker 1: But is that something that's in your guys' heads where
Speaker 1: you say, okay, God, we know this is a very
Speaker 1: difficult golf course, but we have four chances here. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about the par fives, because that's where you
Speaker 1: can make a statement, I think as players. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know when you guys won, you guys played the
Speaker 1: par fives, Well, same with you. How important are the
Speaker 1: four par five? And when you don't make a birdie there?
Speaker 1: Is it hard not to feel like, man, that was
Speaker 1: a mischance.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that you used to feel like that.
Speaker 2: But they keep getting longer and longer every year, So
Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, I mean thirteen, I don't know
Speaker 2: how many how many guys went for it since they
Speaker 2: moved that te I mean, if you don't have to
Speaker 2: draw and kind of sling it around that corner, it's
Speaker 2: I just don't see that. I don't think it's worth
Speaker 2: going for it with three wood in your hand all
Speaker 2: the trouble up there. And same with I mean, they
Speaker 2: moved fifteen back. I've heard they moved two back this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, back in a little left. But it brings that
Speaker 3: that bunker now is like a little bit it used
Speaker 3: to be closer. So I'm kind of happy about.
Speaker 2: It because I just don't know how many of them
Speaker 2: are going to be reachable for if they play them
Speaker 2: all the way back.
Speaker 3: To be reachable for sure. Eight eight is one that
Speaker 3: if you make a paw on, I'm never too upset
Speaker 3: about for us because that fairway is always given us trouble.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy to hit the fairway and get a
Speaker 3: look for Bertie. I don't want to like scramble for
Speaker 3: a par there, but that one I'm not too But
Speaker 3: once you make that turn after twelve, like you said,
Speaker 3: once you get past twelve, that's when I feel like
Speaker 3: I want to kind of step on the gas in
Speaker 3: the year like but now, I mean, things have changed.
Speaker 3: Don't get comfortable, as we said earlier, do you guys?
Speaker 3: Keep you not comfortable?
Speaker 1: Not given the situation, Because everybody says the back nine
Speaker 1: begins on Sunday on the tent pole, right, everybody says
Speaker 1: that always at Augusta, and everyone knows the drama around there,
Speaker 1: but excluding the drama that you know is out there,
Speaker 1: Which nine do you think, just from a pure playing standpoint,
Speaker 1: not from a situation standpoint, because obviously trying to win
Speaker 1: on the back nine at Augusta and get a green
Speaker 1: jacket is always more difficult on the back nine just
Speaker 1: because of the situation. But do you guys feel that
Speaker 1: there's a side, the front or the back that you
Speaker 1: guys think is easier, harder just in your head?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. If one size pretty bad.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like you get, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of one and two, even though one sneaky, but one
Speaker 3: and two is like a nice all right, here we go. Three.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could see some really good numbers there,
Speaker 3: you could birdy it, but it's it's a dirty little
Speaker 3: green too. Four, then five, I mean, hitch, I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, four and five hitch you. And then it's
Speaker 3: like you're kind of on and then you say six
Speaker 3: the t shot. But then seven kind of gives you
Speaker 3: a little bit of a break if you have a
Speaker 3: wedge in especially like that right then you bring it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's in everybody, I accomplish you that.
Speaker 3: But then eight, it's like, all right, part five, so
Speaker 3: you're always thinking there's a chance for birdie there. Nine's
Speaker 3: pretty tough on the second shot. I feel like, depending on.
Speaker 1: Where you're driving is because you can be hitting off
Speaker 1: the downslope or if you can get it down to
Speaker 1: the flat.
Speaker 3: For sure, but anything in the fairway from there, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think I want to say that it's more of
Speaker 3: a second shot hole that's you know, and then ten
Speaker 3: I feel like can be kind of a break. But
Speaker 3: then you hit eleven, twelve and then thirty easy holes
Speaker 3: out now we're just talking are less hard.
Speaker 1: Than Okay, this is a little bit of a break.
Speaker 2: I mean between the park, like you said, the par
Speaker 2: five and you throw you throw in three in there
Speaker 2: and you throw in you know, I mean, these guys
Speaker 2: are so good sixteen and twelve or or you know,
Speaker 2: seven iron and a wedge nine iron from twelve whatever,
Speaker 2: So you think you're thinking you should get looks on
Speaker 2: those holes. But then again, you know twelve, you know
Speaker 2: you can make up seven just as fast as you
Speaker 2: can make two. So it's but you think you think
Speaker 2: you're thinking you want to get good looks on those holes.
Speaker 2: There's been make stressful, stress free pars on all the
Speaker 2: other ones.
Speaker 1: Over the years. I think the poor threes at Augusta
Speaker 1: National throughout the history of the of the Championship have
Speaker 1: been where some of the great moments Tiger Jack, all
Speaker 1: of that. Out of the poor threes, which ones do
Speaker 1: you feel like are the hardest and which ones do
Speaker 1: you feel like if you had to rank them as
Speaker 1: hardest to easiest, which one would be the hardest and
Speaker 1: which ones which ones would be easy or four.
Speaker 2: Is one of the hardest part threes on the planet.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 1: The talk us through the fourth hole as a par three.
Speaker 1: So the distance that you play it, you guys can
Speaker 1: play it anywhere from what it's.
Speaker 2: Two forty from when they play it back and the
Speaker 2: right flag you got about three yard landing zone over
Speaker 2: the bunker. The bunkers fifteen feet deep. Can can't see
Speaker 2: the flag from when you're down in the bunker. The
Speaker 2: greens pitched at fifteen percent back to front. I mean
Speaker 2: it is just a munch.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to hit the grind.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, in front flags you got you know
Speaker 2: it's six yards wide. You're trying to land a foreign
Speaker 2: I mean it's you just make your three and you
Speaker 2: run at fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like.
Speaker 1: Sixteen right sixteen when they put the Sunday pin where
Speaker 1: everybody is trying to make hold one. Sixteen all of
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes somewhat of an easy hole when they
Speaker 1: put the pin on Sunday.
Speaker 2: I mean on that golf course, you feel like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like a right pin that they tend to put sometimes
Speaker 1: on Friday, where it's up on that shelf back right.
Speaker 3: That's listen. I'm just gonna put some respect on twelve
Speaker 3: because I don't want the golf God's mad at me
Speaker 3: just because of the wind. But also, I mean, you're
Speaker 3: right four, I'd say, I'd say sixteen definitely is. I
Speaker 3: would say if there's an easy is the easiest one
Speaker 3: to give you, it's just that's got to be it,
Speaker 3: And then the hardest is I think all player dependent.
Speaker 3: But I would think if you took like a pole
Speaker 3: out of the four, I think sixteen wins on that's
Speaker 3: that's probably the easiest one, most scorable one, probably the
Speaker 3: and probably has the most holding ones on it. So
Speaker 3: I'd say that's a good step in the half for.
Speaker 2: Making six the front left pen that's an easy hole
Speaker 2: because you just hit it long right and let it
Speaker 2: come right right down to it. But yeah, six ball right,
Speaker 2: you're back right pin, it's a hard hole. Same one sixteen.
Speaker 2: If it's left pin, its feeds right down to it.
Speaker 2: It's a back right pen. One of the hardest shots
Speaker 2: on the golf course.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say twelve is just consistently the hardest,
Speaker 3: no matter what you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Twelve and how difficult I mean, and I don't think
Speaker 1: people have an understanding. Is one how short that hole is?
Speaker 1: I mean it plays max one twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually what one like thirty something, yeah one,
Speaker 2: it can play forty something.
Speaker 3: It can play from one twenty five to one fifty five.
Speaker 4: But it's crazy because you see someone only nine steps
Speaker 4: wide anyway.
Speaker 2: From my pitch. It's like a little chippy eight iron
Speaker 2: if it's into the lens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'll see someone hit the shot ten seconds
Speaker 3: before you hit. Let's say you know there. You know
Speaker 3: everyone knows everyone game pretty well for the most part.
Speaker 3: You play with them enough and you're like, oh, this
Speaker 3: guy just hit his his one forty five club and
Speaker 3: end up long. You're like, okay, well i'll hit one.
Speaker 3: I'll hit it one forty club and then you end
Speaker 3: up and you see a guy end up like short
Speaker 3: bunker and you're like, how is this even impossible?
Speaker 1: When the ball is in the air there as caddies,
Speaker 1: is that one of the most nervous because as soon
Speaker 1: as you're hitting, you're like, okay, please let us please, please,
Speaker 1: hopefully we got this right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's nerve I mean for pulling a wedge.
Speaker 2: It's it's one of the more nerve wrecking.
Speaker 3: It's one of the more satisfying greens to hit. When
Speaker 3: it hits the green, you're like, oh, maybe we birdied
Speaker 3: it on Sunday. By the way, it was a good
Speaker 3: I was that was probably one of my favorite birdies
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: Well, you look at the flag on eleven and it's
Speaker 2: bowling the complete opposite ways flag on twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you look at.
Speaker 2: The top of the tree trying to tell you, guy,
Speaker 2: just commit to this shot. Yeah, and he's asking you
Speaker 2: where the wind is and you have no You just got.
Speaker 3: To be confident though when you say it, because they
Speaker 3: can't sense doubt in your mind, in your voice.
Speaker 2: You give him your best guess and pray you're right.
Speaker 1: You both worked for players that won go through it individually.
Speaker 1: Keess and and a day. What did your player? What
Speaker 1: did what did Patrick? What did DJ? In your opinions,
Speaker 1: do well that week. So when you and Patrick won Kes,
Speaker 1: what did you feel like you guys did well? He
Speaker 1: did well for the week.
Speaker 3: For his game, I think he hit his off the
Speaker 3: t box with the driver. He is driver as good
Speaker 3: as I've ever seen him hit it, and it you know,
Speaker 3: if he's in the fairway and he's hitting consistently in
Speaker 3: the fairway, I think he's one of those dangerous guys
Speaker 3: out there. And I think he's proven that plenty of times.
Speaker 3: But that's that's something I remember, you know, in practice
Speaker 3: rounds Charlie. We played with Charlie and Brett Walman those
Speaker 3: first two days and Brett was like, man, boys driving
Speaker 3: the hell out of it, and I was like he
Speaker 3: is and sure enough, you know when we says that,
Speaker 3: you're not thinking we're gonna win. You're just thinking, man,
Speaker 3: he's hitting it good this week. And for me, that's
Speaker 3: always a big factor.
Speaker 1: Hey, J, what was DJ in your opinion doing really
Speaker 1: really well the week he won?
Speaker 2: Well? Obviously, if you win the Masters, you're doing everything
Speaker 2: really well. But you know, the year we won was
Speaker 2: it was in November and twenty twenty, so it was
Speaker 2: it was colder, it was soft, and I mean he
Speaker 2: obviously striked it really well, but he was just he
Speaker 2: was really in control of his distances. I mean I
Speaker 2: remember tell him a number and it seemed like he
Speaker 2: just he'd hit that number.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially and then then when it's soft too,
Speaker 2: because you know, you're flying everything. So yeah, he did
Speaker 2: everything well, but yeah, just really in control of his distances,
Speaker 2: just was on top of his game, stayed focused. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's funny. We were in there while he's hit his
Speaker 2: second shot on the green in eighteen on Sunday, and
Speaker 2: we're walking up the fairway and I hand him as
Speaker 2: putter and he kind of looks at me. It was
Speaker 2: kind of blank stare, and it's like, you know, how
Speaker 2: are we doing in the tournament?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: We got a BIRDI putt probably twenty feet. What are
Speaker 2: you talking about? He goes, no, No, like, like to
Speaker 2: our score? How are we dude? You got five shot lead?
Speaker 2: He went. He went the whole day without looking at
Speaker 2: one scoreboard. I mean, I don't know if he might.
Speaker 2: If you've been to Augusta, the scoreboards are massive, like
Speaker 2: a like a billboard on the side of the interstate,
Speaker 2: and I mean you're walking down the fairway five minutes past.
Speaker 2: These things, I don't know how you can't look at one,
Speaker 2: and he had no clue at all how we stood
Speaker 2: in the tournament when after he hit a second shot
Speaker 2: into the eighteenth green.
Speaker 1: It's also the type of golf course if you've ever
Speaker 1: been there, you know when things are happening on the
Speaker 1: golf course. Yeah, that is one of the cool things
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Well, there were no fans, so usually you can hear
Speaker 2: all the other roars from the birdies and stuff we were
Speaker 2: out there, but there were the year we played there
Speaker 2: weren't any fans allowed, so it's ka it was a
Speaker 2: little strange, and he didn't have the roars of Augusta,
Speaker 2: so it was a little weird in that sense. But
Speaker 2: when the pressure was still there, trust me.
Speaker 1: But when the patrons are there, there are distinct roars
Speaker 1: from you know, the Tiger rar, you know the Phil roy,
Speaker 1: you know the Rory roar. There are certain players around
Speaker 1: that course the fans that that take to them when
Speaker 1: they do things you can kind of know it's coming.
Speaker 2: You know, a birdie and an eagle roar too. A
Speaker 2: difference in.
Speaker 3: Our whole day. I mean, it was Ricky and Jordan
Speaker 3: right throwing a bunch of roars right in front of us,
Speaker 3: just added pressure, just more like I'm like, yeah, like
Speaker 3: I really need this right now. And you can just
Speaker 3: hear it every time, and you know, seventeen, I think
Speaker 3: Ricky had maybe he almost hold out he heard it.
Speaker 3: And then of course on like you know, we make
Speaker 3: a great par on seventeen and I'm thinking, all right,
Speaker 3: two shot league going into eighteen, and I I swear
Speaker 3: as soon as I set the bag down on the
Speaker 3: tea box, you hear ror on eighteen. And I look
Speaker 3: over and someone's like, Ricky just burdy at eighteen, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, well, Shotley, he would go Parski.
Speaker 3: You know, Parski are better, and as we know, the
Speaker 3: rest is history.
Speaker 1: When you're walking up that eighteenth fairway, I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like for a player, but
Speaker 1: for you guys as caddies. I mean, everybody obviously as
Speaker 1: a player wants to win it Augusta, but I would
Speaker 1: think from a caddy stamp, I know, certainly as an instructor,
Speaker 1: as a coach, the fact that I've been lucky enough
Speaker 1: to work with DJ and he's won around Augusta for
Speaker 1: me is one of the great accomplishments of my career
Speaker 1: when you all are walking up that eighteenth and you
Speaker 1: both got to do it to where you were a
Speaker 1: little different to where you had to make a par
Speaker 1: But there must be a moment on that eighteenth green
Speaker 1: where you get I know you were crying aj before
Speaker 1: he but it's got to be this over just just
Speaker 1: oversensory of just like geez, just can't believe we did that.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was that moment like after the winning
Speaker 1: putt goes in and you realize that you're standing on
Speaker 1: the eighteenth green at Augusta with the player agent, You're
Speaker 1: there with your brother, you're there with your I mean
Speaker 1: a player, and it's it's got to just be unbelievable feeling.
Speaker 3: I mean woke up for the next two weeks saying
Speaker 3: it was a dream, no joke, Like was like that
Speaker 3: really did happen. That really did happen. And the weight
Speaker 3: that comes up like just lifts off your shoulders. For
Speaker 3: me personally, if there's any if I could have one
Speaker 3: major in my whole career as a caddy, that would
Speaker 3: be my one, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we grew up an hour down the street. So
Speaker 2: you know, when we were kids, every putt, you know,
Speaker 2: for we had to go home whatever it was the
Speaker 2: window masters, and you know that's just been a dream
Speaker 2: of ours forever. And then to do it and be
Speaker 2: on the bag for the big bro, it's a yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't hold back.
Speaker 3: I started Hell, I almost cried I was watching it.
Speaker 2: I mean I just remember, not like I couldn't stop
Speaker 2: smiling for like three four days afterwards. It's just yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, big relief, sheer joy.
Speaker 1: And I think because the golf course, it's the same
Speaker 1: golf course, because we know.
Speaker 2: What the tradition, the tradition.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like as a as a caddy, as
Speaker 1: as and the player as a team when you win
Speaker 1: there that you're you're almost like, I know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to jinx it. But we figured it out this week.
Speaker 1: We figured it out on the most difficult golf course.
Speaker 1: Not to say that we've got this figured out forever
Speaker 1: going forward, but there must be that sense of relief
Speaker 1: as a player, as the team of looking at each
Speaker 1: other on that eighteenth green and going that is the
Speaker 1: most difficult test there is to win around that golf
Speaker 1: course with all the history, there must be that sense
Speaker 1: that we figured it out this week and we got
Speaker 1: it done this week.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I felt like you cracked the code on a state.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially from caddies, because it is the
Speaker 2: most challenging both physically and mentally. And you know that
Speaker 2: you do. You do feel like a huge sense of
Speaker 2: accomplishment when you when you are successful around that place
Speaker 2: because it is so challenging.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you both can't wait to get there,
Speaker 1: and hopefully there's more green jackets available for you guys,
Speaker 1: But I think to win around that place is pretty special,
Speaker 1: and for you two to do it is, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: got to be pretty special for you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us, thanks for having us appreciate you.
Speaker 1: So I think that was just some fantastic insight from
Speaker 1: A J and Kessler, And I think you can hear
Speaker 1: them talking about what it's like to be on the bag.
Speaker 1: And I've been going to the Masters, you know, really,
Speaker 1: I think the first year I went to the Masters
Speaker 1: with nineteen eighty seven, my grandfather was still alive. But
Speaker 1: it is such a special place. But as a coach,
Speaker 1: you're nervous when you're there. You're nervous about what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and I can't even imagine what I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to play,
Speaker 1: but to carry the bag and be on the bag
Speaker 1: for a player that wins a green jacket. I think
Speaker 1: it is pretty special and I think you'll you can
Speaker 1: hear that in the way that Kessler and AJ talk
Speaker 1: about it. I think it's I think it's super, super exciting.
Speaker 1: I think everybody I think we need a major, I
Speaker 1: really do. I think with everything going on in professional golf,
Speaker 1: I think we need a major to kind of just
Speaker 1: get everybody talking about golf. And hopefully at Augusta next week,
Speaker 1: we're talking more about golf than we're not talking about golf,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about what's going on on the golf course,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we not hopefully, I know we will see
Speaker 1: some great golf. I think we have some great players
Speaker 1: peaking at a right time. And I think this Masters,
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four edition, I think it is going
Speaker 1: to be something special. I for one, am looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. I'll be flying up there Sunday night after
Speaker 1: the Live Miami Tournament, so I can't wait to get
Speaker 1: up there. I want to thank everyone for listening. Son
Speaker 1: of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday. We will
Speaker 1: see you next week.