WEBVTT - Previewing Augusta with Austin Johnson & Kessler Karain 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.039 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.840 you every Wednesday. With the first Major just around the 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.159 corner at Augustin National, I thought we would do a 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.560 little deep dive into what that golf course is like. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.639 And I can't think of two better people to talk 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.320 about what it's like to be on that golf course. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.280 Kessler Karine and Austin Johnson. They have both been on 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.680 the Bad. Kessler caddies for Patrick Reed. Patrick Reed won 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:35.960 a green jacket obviously. Austin Johnson AJ caddies for his brother, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.000 Dustin Johnson. 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So, 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.440 as I mentioned, Austin Johnson and Kessler Crane a really 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.120 really good pod and if you're looking forward to the Masters, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.320 you're gonna get a lot of info from two of 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:38.000 the best caddies in the game, Kesler and AJ. You 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.359 both have been lucky enough to be on the bag 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.280 for a win at Augusta Nashville. Kesler with Patrick Reid 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.040 obviously AJ with your brother DJ. I've had players on 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.400 before the Masters to do kind of a Master's preview 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.960 to talk about what it takes to win around there. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.240 But I think it's I think you guys being on 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.280 the bag probably have as much of a ringside seat 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.200 to how it different. How is Augusted different for you 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.640 guys as caddies versus other weeks. What what what makes 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.000 that week different? 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:14.240 Hey Jah, Yeah, sure, I'll start off. Well. First off, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.920 first thing that comes to mind is it's physically the 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.920 most demanding week of the year for the caddies. I 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.320 mean it's to me, it's the hardest walk of the year. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.280 You know, you're you're in the gym six seven days 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.480 where you're in unbelieve you both are in unbelievable shape. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.440 And it is a hard, hard walk around that place 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.160 for a week. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.520 It's a it's a tough walk. You got the jumpsuit 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.400 on as well, Sorry about that. You got the jumpsuit 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.520 on the way as on as well, which adds another 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.120 degree of difficulty. It can be hot in April there 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.960 as well. Yeah, and I mean, and then outside it 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.600 being the most physically demanding mentally, it's the most demanding 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.000 tournament as well, because it's the biggest tournament of the year. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.160 A and I mean every shot from a caddies point 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.000 of view, there's there's some sort of trouble. You don't 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.680 want to hit it here, you can't miss here, you 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.880 don't want to do it. So for me, I'm just 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.280 try not to think of it. But there's just so 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.840 many things that you're sitting there thinking of, you know, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.600 don't do this, don't do that. It's it's it's a 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.840 grueling week. I mean, I'm definitely Sunday night leaving Augusta's 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.120 the most tired you are the entire year. It's the 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.800 best week of the year, but it's definitely the most 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.760 demanding week of the year. For sure, and I'll. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.640 Yes, I mean, obviously we hear so much h Augusta 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.200 about to win. Not only as a player do you 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.800 have to control what your golf swing is doing, control 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.960 the shots, but you have to kind of control your mind. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.320 And they talk about it being so demanding mentally. AJ 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.360 just alluded to it. But what do you find kes 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.599 when you're out there when you got when you and 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.839 Patrick Reid we out there when you guys won, did 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:56.279 you feel that it was taxing mentally? Even as a caddie. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.839 Absolutely. Everyone always asks, oh, that must have been so 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.520 much fun, and you're like, yeah, after after is fun. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.560 Everything leading up to that, you know, pin going down 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.799 on eighteen and taking the flag off is just grueling, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.400 you know, and stressful to the tee. I mean, we 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.159 came into the eighteen with a one shot lead, so 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.480 we had to have par on eighteen and that hole 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.359 is a beast and my guy is more of a 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.480 draw player, but he's got a lot of shots in 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.599 the bag and he hit a perfect cut down the 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.960 fairway and right after that, you're feeling really confident because 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.880 you're in the best possible position to make parr sitting 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.479 there in the fairway on eighteen. But like AJ said, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.520 I mean it's physically taxing. And I think also like 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.440 our fitness level helps out a great deal and decision 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.080 making ability because we're not maybe when other guys are 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.600 climbing up that hill on eight after having to rake 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.839 that bunker and then you got to get the layout 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.080 number after that's one of the worst walks out of 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.000 us one hole, like t shot, I go, please, everyone 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.760 just hit this fairway because somebody's gonna have to rake 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.880 that bunker and I don't want it to be me, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.000 But it helps. I think, you know, when you're tired, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.600 we're not thinking maybe as much about catching our breath 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.240 as some other caddy that's out of like out of shape, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.880 and we're able to make better decisions. And at the 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.919 end of the day, you know, with all the things, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.560 like all the things that could go wrong, I just 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.320 feel like being confident with whatever you say and not 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.240 having to look back on it, because at the end 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.120 of the day, you like when you finish, if you 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.480 finish second there or third there, you start that Sunday 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.720 night probably chalking up certain strokes here and there. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.159 Yeah, and I think we hear I mean, one of 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.280 the things I think that makes Augustus so great is 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.120 that it is played at the same golf course every year. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.800 But that also means that everybody kind of knows where 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.359 the trouble is and all of that. So you guys 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.280 as caddies, are there holes out there that when you 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.760 get through there with a par that you're just like 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.360 that you feel even during the tournament that you feel 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.400 a relief or there's certain pin positions for everyone listening 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:02.000 that will watch or will go to Augusta what are 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.160 what are the holes that you all think are ones 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.160 that are difficult and they don't look difficult on TV? 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.320 Do you have one? 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:13.760 Uh? 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.840 I don't know. I mean for me, they all look 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.440 they all look difficult. But I think the big thing 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.239 is is when when you make that turn ten eleven twelve, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.920 you can get off to a good start on the 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.120 back nine there, then then you you know, you really 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.960 feel good about about shooting a good number. But yeah, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 you know, I feel like ten ten eleven twelve, that 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.920 stretch causes a lot of people a lot of trouble. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:45.000 It's it's a stressful, especially eleven elevens of beast a 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.520 cold day. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.280 So when you guys are out there. You know it's difficult, right, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.200 you know, I mean there is there's danger lurking all 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.600 over that golf course. But you guys have both caddy 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.320 for players that have won a green jacket, so obviously 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.400 you know there were good shots out there. Is it 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.880 a mindset that Augusta that I think I feel like 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.880 it can sometimes lull you into this kind of defensive 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.480 mode constantly being on the defensive. So when you do 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.160 get an opportunity to be aggressive, you do get a 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.840 good putt, you maybe sometimes feel like this is I 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.160 have to take advantage of that. So when you guys 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:27.680 are out there on the bag and you're talking to 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.360 the guys, how do you guys balance that to where 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.280 when to be aggressive out there? Or there times at 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.960 Augusta during the tournament or other times you can be aggressive, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:40.800 And what are those times? 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.040 I mean, there's been a few years where the greens 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.319 were just a little bit softer than they typically are, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.800 like whole fifteen that back right pin. I mean, I 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.040 remember a couple of times if you hit the right bunker, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.800 that up and down was not fun. And then I 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.680 remember there's one year where it wasn't that bad, Like 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.440 remember what I always in The Caddyshack in the morning, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.120 you're watching on TV and you're seeing a couple of shots, 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.160 and I just remember seeing a couple times where I'm like, well, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.840 that usually doesn't play that like it usually just runs 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.920 away or it's too firm. So I remember there's a 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.880 few years where it's just certain shots you can play, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.240 or like back left on thirteen impossible, up and down 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.200 to that back left pin. But sometimes it's it's doable. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.600 I mean, especially with Patrick's Hans, I get the luxury 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.079 of the fact that, I mean, some of the hardest 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.000 chips looks so easy. So that's one thing for me 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.480 where I look at I get to look at certain shots, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.719 certain up and downs a little bit different where I'm like, ah, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.800 that's all right over there, and some guys might be like, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.200 I never want to be over there. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.360 Do you guys prepare more out of say some of that. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.600 I think I think Kessler was spot on with the 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.800 firmness of the greens. If August of the greens are firm, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.640 you're not aggressive. You might not be aggressive one time 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.760 all round you're trying to hit somewhere into the heart 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.720 of the green and meet of the green. And leave 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.600 yourself a up he'll putt, you know. And yeah, if 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.360 it's soft like you can November when dust and want it, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.839 then yeah you can. You can go more directly at 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.680 flags and you don't have to worry about the runoffs 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.959 and not getting in the bad spots and all that stuff. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.719 But yeah, it all depends if Augusta's firm and fast, 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.280 you very flat, very few flags do you ever take on? 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.240 Do you guys like it? The players say they like 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.240 it when it's firm and fast. Do you guys as 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.440 caddies like it when it's firm and fast Augusta? 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.920 I like it when it's firm and fast. I think 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.400 it shows the teeth of the golf course a little 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.439 more because you know, the fans on TV, they want 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.680 to see the ball, you know, rolling forty feet away 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.000 from the pin and stuff like that, and so it's 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.960 I think so I think the players, like anybody, wants 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.959 the golf course to be. You know, it's as hard 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.920 as it not as hard as it can be, but 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.880 as hard as the tournament wants it to be. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.559 Yeah, as long as it's not in like the Mickey 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.360 Mouse mode of that place can get especially depend on 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.520 like win conditions and everything. But I like it firm 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.880 and fast because I think it plays into Patrick's game. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.839 I think you know when you met, when it's firm 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.959 and fast, it usually plays harder, and I think he 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.520 shines in those situations. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.559 Preparation wise, do you feel like it's a golf course 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:22.320 as a caddy that you prepare more for or is? 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.680 And mentally do you feel like you need to prepare 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.280 more go out on the course without the player, walk around, 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.040 figure out where everything's going to be. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.640 I don't know why, but for whatever reason, it's the 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.240 only week of the year it's the same course, same everything, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.520 every year, and I go out and double and triple 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.959 check my numbers every single year. You know, they move 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.400 a few boxes. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.000 They make minute changes in the trick of the changes 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.920 that they make it because I think that's the most 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.000 amazing thing about that golf course is they can. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.520 Set it up any way that they want, right. They 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.320 can set up up to where they can protect power, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.080 they can set it up to where they said, okay, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.439 we're gonna let guys go. But from a preparation standpoint, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.800 it is a golf course that I mean, you guys 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.240 have played, and I mean you guys have played there 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.959 and caddied there so many times. But I do think 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.280 it does the same thing to caddies that it does 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.760 to the players, that it's this Jedi mind trick. You're like, Okay, 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.640 I need to make sure I've got this this, I 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.560 need to make sure I've got that site line. And 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.120 I would imagine for you guys, because once you guys 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.319 get out there, you don't want to be in a situation, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.920 especially on that golf course, where you get a number 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.560 or get a situation you don't have an that you 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.480 don't have an answered. I've got to think that's got 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.800 to be the hardest place to not have an answer to. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.200 I mean, and caddies always have to have an answer 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.120 no matter what. There's never I don't know what do 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.040 you think? You know? It's it's tough to be it 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.600 can't ever get comfortable. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.160 There there as well. Also, it gives you at least 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.720 amount of information. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:55.880 That really I didn't know that. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.680 Yeah, they're pretty basic. You get like the bunker numbers 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.800 and stuff, but there's no. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.719 Not like a regular week you got pictures. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.440 They're not going to give you a slope on any 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.240 of those numbers either, So you got to go get 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.920 all the slopes. Now, the slopes generally are pretty much 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.719 the same, but the heads change a little bit, so 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.640 it might be one off here and there, so you 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.120 just always have to double check. But it's a place 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.360 that just wants to keep you uncomfortable, and you can't 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:25.640 ever get comfortable like one every you know whereas here 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.720 like certain places you've seen them like ten times, like 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.920 you and l a cc or not lacc Riviera. I 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.679 feel like you're super comfortable there. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.440 Like do you as a caddy, do you think there 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:41.560 are any caddies that feel comfortable around Augusta Nashal And 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.800 you would think that the two of you would feel 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.800 comfortable around there, caddy, because you guys have you guys 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.720 have been on the bag for weeks. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.520 I can answer for myself. I don't feel comfortable, right man. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.000 I mean, I just don't know how anybody maybe bones 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.559 he's been around there enough. I don't know. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.800 Maybe the caddies that work there, but then put them 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.240 in the tournament situation and that changes. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.920 You know, Nothing about that place makes me feel feel 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.520 very comfortable. I mean, I love the golf course, my 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.680 favorite golf course in the world. But it's it's definitely 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.200 the most challenging golf course for caddies and the biggest 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.680 tournam of the year. I don't know, I get nervous 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.560 during the practice routes just caddying. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.720 I mean, it's unbelievable the fans are screaming during practice 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.840 routes and not screaming, but like they're in every shot 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.280 during practice routes sometimes. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:34.480 So what's more difficult has caddies to figure out around 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.040 the gusta the greens or the wind? Because I think 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.200 some of the great shots at Augusta are on that 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.600 twelfth hole where they're in the lead and they're standing 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.040 there and they're trying to So you both agree that 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:48.600 it's the wind. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.800 I'd say it's more important for us to know the 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.200 wind than where the where the break around the green 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.240 is because at least the player you know he can 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.280 hit the putt and they and they play so much 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.600 and they hit so many practice What. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.200 Are the hardest places on that golf course to gauge 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:02.720 the wind? Front? 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.720 For me, that's six t is sneaky because you can't 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.760 ever feel the wind there and straight down hills the 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.000 balls up in the air. The part three six, and 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.280 I don't know, I just don't ever feel the way 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.720 twelve is obviously. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:23.560 The most famous, means said some reason six You just 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.120 can't You can't feel any win there. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.320 And it's a t shot where you need to control 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.600 the distance and it's ratten. I mean it's so downhill. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.720 I mean it's got to play what ten down or 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.640 something like that. Yeah, for sure, And I don't know. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.720 I think that that one's always a tough one to 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.920 give him a number to commit to. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.560 Are there places on the golf course, guys in the 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.000 fair ways for second shots? 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.480 That second shot on fifteen, it is a good one 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.040 with the windows. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.960 Oh yeah, so you're trying to be elevated. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:54.320 Shots, I mean personally just me, but fourteen as well, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.560 like the second shot in fourteen had some close calls 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.680 there or just sometimes. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.640 You gotta be a number because you come up a 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:02.160 little short. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.920 Yeah, on that right pin when we won, we kept 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.160 it short of the pin. I mean there's maybe four 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.080 feet over and it's like not a good caddy number, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.520 but definitely got a little bit of luck. And I 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.920 think around there sometimes you need a little bit of luck. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.880 Every everyone who's won there has maybe a little bit 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.000 of luck somewhere. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.240 Because it is because of the green complexes and the 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.400 way that they're designed, and some of the pin positions 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.040 that they can put pins at Augusta are so difficult 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.920 to get to the numbers that you guys are talking 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:43.960 about the difference between being one or two yards out. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:49.480 You can have catastrophic situations happened to where like when 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 they put that pin back right on AJ you were 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.960 talking about the six the part three back right, there's 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.600 probably only five five steps to land that you can 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.840 be posing on one and it comes up a yard 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.280 short and then you are down all the way down 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.960 and you're struggling to make both you. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.520 Got one hundred foot but at left is where you 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.280 end up. Yeah, you've landed at four paces from the pen. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.200 Now you got a one hundred foot two point Yeah, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.360 it's yeah, it's yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's one. 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.199 You got to be spot on with the number, and 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.359 you can't really fill a win there. It's just just 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.880 a tricky. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.280 Little Obviously, the obvious places at Augusta that you have 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.400 to pick up shots are the par fives, the second hole, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:36.199 the eighth hole, thirteen and fifteen. How important and is 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.040 that something that you think is in the players heads, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.400 But is that something that's in your guys' heads where 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.040 you say, okay, God, we know this is a very 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.520 difficult golf course, but we have four chances here. Talk 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.480 to me about the par fives, because that's where you 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.639 can make a statement, I think as players. I mean, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.960 I know when you guys won, you guys played the 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.040 par fives, Well, same with you. How important are the 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.280 four par five? And when you don't make a birdie there? 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.760 Is it hard not to feel like, man, that was 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:05.440 a mischance. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.120 Well, I mean that you used to feel like that. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.639 But they keep getting longer and longer every year, So 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.040 I mean it's yeah, I mean thirteen, I don't know 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.520 how many how many guys went for it since they 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.200 moved that te I mean, if you don't have to 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.280 draw and kind of sling it around that corner, it's 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.640 I just don't see that. I don't think it's worth 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.919 going for it with three wood in your hand all 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.800 the trouble up there. And same with I mean, they 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.680 moved fifteen back. I've heard they moved two back this year. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.400 Yeah, back in a little left. But it brings that 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.840 that bunker now is like a little bit it used 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.920 to be closer. So I'm kind of happy about. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.080 It because I just don't know how many of them 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.000 are going to be reachable for if they play them 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:48.800 all the way back. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.719 To be reachable for sure. Eight eight is one that 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.359 if you make a paw on, I'm never too upset 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.639 about for us because that fairway is always given us trouble. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.760 So I'm happy to hit the fairway and get a 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.119 look for Bertie. I don't want to like scramble for 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.240 a par there, but that one I'm not too But 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.440 once you make that turn after twelve, like you said, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.159 once you get past twelve, that's when I feel like 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.399 I want to kind of step on the gas in 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.640 the year like but now, I mean, things have changed. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.920 Don't get comfortable, as we said earlier, do you guys? 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:21.720 Keep you not comfortable? 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.640 Not given the situation, Because everybody says the back nine 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.280 begins on Sunday on the tent pole, right, everybody says 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.720 that always at Augusta, and everyone knows the drama around there, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:37.200 but excluding the drama that you know is out there, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.080 Which nine do you think, just from a pure playing standpoint, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.120 not from a situation standpoint, because obviously trying to win 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.560 on the back nine at Augusta and get a green 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.960 jacket is always more difficult on the back nine just 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:54.919 because of the situation. But do you guys feel that 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.119 there's a side, the front or the back that you 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.679