1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. With the first Major just around the 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: corner at Augustin National, I thought we would do a 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: little deep dive into what that golf course is like. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: And I can't think of two better people to talk 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: about what it's like to be on that golf course. 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Kessler Karine and Austin Johnson. They have both been on 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: the Bad. Kessler caddies for Patrick Reed. Patrick Reed won 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: a green jacket obviously. Austin Johnson AJ caddies for his brother, 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. DJ won a green jacket in twenty twenty. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: I think their INSIGHT's kind of a deep dive into 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: what to expect on the golf course because it is 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: such a unique place, the fact that it's the same 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: golf course every year. But I think the caddies probably 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: have the best perspective of what's actually going on in 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: professional golf. They have a rooting side seat, and I 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: think a deep dive with AJ and Kessler you'll be 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: able to take some stuff so that when you're watching 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: the Masters, I think a lot of stuff, a lot 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: of the things they're talking about will make sense. 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So, 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Austin Johnson and Kessler Crane a really 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: really good pod and if you're looking forward to the Masters, 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of info from two of 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: the best caddies in the game, Kesler and AJ. You 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: both have been lucky enough to be on the bag 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: for a win at Augusta Nashville. Kesler with Patrick Reid 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: obviously AJ with your brother DJ. I've had players on 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: before the Masters to do kind of a Master's preview 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: to talk about what it takes to win around there. 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: But I think it's I think you guys being on 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: the bag probably have as much of a ringside seat 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: to how it different. How is Augusted different for you 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: guys as caddies versus other weeks. What what what makes 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: that week different? 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: Hey Jah, Yeah, sure, I'll start off. Well. First off, 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: first thing that comes to mind is it's physically the 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: most demanding week of the year for the caddies. I 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: mean it's to me, it's the hardest walk of the year. 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're in the gym six seven days 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: where you're in unbelieve you both are in unbelievable shape. 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: And it is a hard, hard walk around that place 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: for a week. 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: It's a it's a tough walk. You got the jumpsuit 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: on as well, Sorry about that. You got the jumpsuit 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: on the way as on as well, which adds another 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: degree of difficulty. It can be hot in April there 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, and I mean, and then outside it 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: being the most physically demanding mentally, it's the most demanding 70 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: tournament as well, because it's the biggest tournament of the year. 71 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: A and I mean every shot from a caddies point 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: of view, there's there's some sort of trouble. You don't 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: want to hit it here, you can't miss here, you 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: don't want to do it. So for me, I'm just 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: try not to think of it. But there's just so 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: many things that you're sitting there thinking of, you know, 77 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: don't do this, don't do that. It's it's it's a 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: grueling week. I mean, I'm definitely Sunday night leaving Augusta's 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: the most tired you are the entire year. It's the 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: best week of the year, but it's definitely the most 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: demanding week of the year. For sure, and I'll. 82 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, obviously we hear so much h Augusta 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: about to win. Not only as a player do you 84 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: have to control what your golf swing is doing, control 85 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: the shots, but you have to kind of control your mind. 86 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: And they talk about it being so demanding mentally. AJ 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: just alluded to it. But what do you find kes 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: when you're out there when you got when you and 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Patrick Reid we out there when you guys won, did 90 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: you feel that it was taxing mentally? Even as a caddie. 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Everyone always asks, oh, that must have been so 92 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: much fun, and you're like, yeah, after after is fun. 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: Everything leading up to that, you know, pin going down 94 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 3: on eighteen and taking the flag off is just grueling, 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: you know, and stressful to the tee. I mean, we 96 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: came into the eighteen with a one shot lead, so 97 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: we had to have par on eighteen and that hole 98 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 3: is a beast and my guy is more of a 99 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: draw player, but he's got a lot of shots in 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: the bag and he hit a perfect cut down the 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: fairway and right after that, you're feeling really confident because 102 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: you're in the best possible position to make parr sitting 103 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 3: there in the fairway on eighteen. But like AJ said, 104 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: I mean it's physically taxing. And I think also like 105 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: our fitness level helps out a great deal and decision 106 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: making ability because we're not maybe when other guys are 107 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: climbing up that hill on eight after having to rake 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: that bunker and then you got to get the layout 109 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: number after that's one of the worst walks out of 110 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: us one hole, like t shot, I go, please, everyone 111 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: just hit this fairway because somebody's gonna have to rake 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: that bunker and I don't want it to be me, 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: But it helps. I think, you know, when you're tired, 114 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: we're not thinking maybe as much about catching our breath 115 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: as some other caddy that's out of like out of shape, 116 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: and we're able to make better decisions. And at the 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, with all the things, 118 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: like all the things that could go wrong, I just 119 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: feel like being confident with whatever you say and not 120 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: having to look back on it, because at the end 121 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: of the day, you like when you finish, if you 122 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: finish second there or third there, you start that Sunday 123 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: night probably chalking up certain strokes here and there. 124 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we hear I mean, one of 125 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: the things I think that makes Augustus so great is 126 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that it is played at the same golf course every year. 127 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: But that also means that everybody kind of knows where 128 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: the trouble is and all of that. So you guys 129 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: as caddies, are there holes out there that when you 130 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: get through there with a par that you're just like 131 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: that you feel even during the tournament that you feel 132 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: a relief or there's certain pin positions for everyone listening 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that will watch or will go to Augusta what are 134 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: what are the holes that you all think are ones 135 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: that are difficult and they don't look difficult on TV? 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: Do you have one? 137 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: Uh? 138 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean for me, they all look 139 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: they all look difficult. But I think the big thing 140 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 2: is is when when you make that turn ten eleven twelve, 141 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: you can get off to a good start on the 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: back nine there, then then you you know, you really 143 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: feel good about about shooting a good number. But yeah, 144 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like ten ten eleven twelve, that 145 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: stretch causes a lot of people a lot of trouble. 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: It's it's a stressful, especially eleven elevens of beast a 147 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: cold day. 148 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: So when you guys are out there. You know it's difficult, right, 149 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean there is there's danger lurking all 150 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: over that golf course. But you guys have both caddy 151 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: for players that have won a green jacket, so obviously 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: you know there were good shots out there. Is it 153 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: a mindset that Augusta that I think I feel like 154 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: it can sometimes lull you into this kind of defensive 155 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: mode constantly being on the defensive. So when you do 156 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: get an opportunity to be aggressive, you do get a 157 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: good putt, you maybe sometimes feel like this is I 158 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: have to take advantage of that. So when you guys 159 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: are out there on the bag and you're talking to 160 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: the guys, how do you guys balance that to where 161 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: when to be aggressive out there? Or there times at 162 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: Augusta during the tournament or other times you can be aggressive, 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: And what are those times? 164 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a few years where the greens 165 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: were just a little bit softer than they typically are, 166 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: like whole fifteen that back right pin. I mean, I 167 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: remember a couple of times if you hit the right bunker, 168 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: that up and down was not fun. And then I 169 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: remember there's one year where it wasn't that bad, Like 170 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: remember what I always in The Caddyshack in the morning, 171 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: you're watching on TV and you're seeing a couple of shots, 172 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: and I just remember seeing a couple times where I'm like, well, 173 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: that usually doesn't play that like it usually just runs 174 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: away or it's too firm. So I remember there's a 175 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: few years where it's just certain shots you can play, 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: or like back left on thirteen impossible, up and down 177 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: to that back left pin. But sometimes it's it's doable. 178 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: I mean, especially with Patrick's Hans, I get the luxury 179 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: of the fact that, I mean, some of the hardest 180 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: chips looks so easy. So that's one thing for me 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: where I look at I get to look at certain shots, 182 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: certain up and downs a little bit different where I'm like, ah, 183 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: that's all right over there, and some guys might be like, 184 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: I never want to be over there. 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: Do you guys prepare more out of say some of that. 186 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: I think I think Kessler was spot on with the 187 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: firmness of the greens. If August of the greens are firm, 188 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: you're not aggressive. You might not be aggressive one time 189 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: all round you're trying to hit somewhere into the heart 190 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: of the green and meet of the green. And leave 191 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: yourself a up he'll putt, you know. And yeah, if 192 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: it's soft like you can November when dust and want it, 193 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: then yeah you can. You can go more directly at 194 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: flags and you don't have to worry about the runoffs 195 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: and not getting in the bad spots and all that stuff. 196 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, it all depends if Augusta's firm and fast, 197 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: you very flat, very few flags do you ever take on? 198 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Do you guys like it? The players say they like 199 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: it when it's firm and fast. Do you guys as 200 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: caddies like it when it's firm and fast Augusta? 201 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: I like it when it's firm and fast. I think 202 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: it shows the teeth of the golf course a little 203 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: more because you know, the fans on TV, they want 204 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: to see the ball, you know, rolling forty feet away 205 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: from the pin and stuff like that, and so it's 206 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: I think so I think the players, like anybody, wants 207 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: the golf course to be. You know, it's as hard 208 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: as it not as hard as it can be, but 209 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: as hard as the tournament wants it to be. 210 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as it's not in like the Mickey 211 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: Mouse mode of that place can get especially depend on 212 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: like win conditions and everything. But I like it firm 213 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: and fast because I think it plays into Patrick's game. 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 3: I think you know when you met, when it's firm 215 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 3: and fast, it usually plays harder, and I think he 216 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: shines in those situations. 217 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: Preparation wise, do you feel like it's a golf course 218 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: as a caddy that you prepare more for or is? 219 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: And mentally do you feel like you need to prepare 220 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: more go out on the course without the player, walk around, 221 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: figure out where everything's going to be. 222 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: I don't know why, but for whatever reason, it's the 223 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: only week of the year it's the same course, same everything, 224 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: every year, and I go out and double and triple 225 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: check my numbers every single year. You know, they move 226 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: a few boxes. 227 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: They make minute changes in the trick of the changes 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: that they make it because I think that's the most 229 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: amazing thing about that golf course is they can. 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Set it up any way that they want, right. They 231 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: can set up up to where they can protect power, 232 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: they can set it up to where they said, okay, 233 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna let guys go. But from a preparation standpoint, 234 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: it is a golf course that I mean, you guys 235 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: have played, and I mean you guys have played there 236 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: and caddied there so many times. But I do think 237 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: it does the same thing to caddies that it does 238 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: to the players, that it's this Jedi mind trick. You're like, Okay, 239 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: I need to make sure I've got this this, I 240 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: need to make sure I've got that site line. And 241 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: I would imagine for you guys, because once you guys 242 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: get out there, you don't want to be in a situation, 243 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: especially on that golf course, where you get a number 244 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: or get a situation you don't have an that you 245 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: don't have an answered. I've got to think that's got 246 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: to be the hardest place to not have an answer to. 247 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: I mean, and caddies always have to have an answer 248 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: no matter what. There's never I don't know what do 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: you think? You know? It's it's tough to be it 250 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: can't ever get comfortable. 251 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: There there as well. Also, it gives you at least 252 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: amount of information. 253 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: That really I didn't know that. 254 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty basic. You get like the bunker numbers 255 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: and stuff, but there's no. 256 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: Not like a regular week you got pictures. 257 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: They're not going to give you a slope on any 258 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: of those numbers either, So you got to go get 259 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: all the slopes. Now, the slopes generally are pretty much 260 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 3: the same, but the heads change a little bit, so 261 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: it might be one off here and there, so you 262 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: just always have to double check. But it's a place 263 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: that just wants to keep you uncomfortable, and you can't 264 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: ever get comfortable like one every you know whereas here 265 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: like certain places you've seen them like ten times, like 266 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: you and l a cc or not lacc Riviera. I 267 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 3: feel like you're super comfortable there. 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: Like do you as a caddy, do you think there 269 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: are any caddies that feel comfortable around Augusta Nashal And 270 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: you would think that the two of you would feel 271 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: comfortable around there, caddy, because you guys have you guys 272 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: have been on the bag for weeks. 273 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: I can answer for myself. I don't feel comfortable, right man. 274 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know how anybody maybe bones 275 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: he's been around there enough. I don't know. 276 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: Maybe the caddies that work there, but then put them 277 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: in the tournament situation and that changes. 278 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: You know, Nothing about that place makes me feel feel 279 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: very comfortable. I mean, I love the golf course, my 280 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: favorite golf course in the world. But it's it's definitely 281 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: the most challenging golf course for caddies and the biggest 282 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: tournam of the year. I don't know, I get nervous 283 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: during the practice routes just caddying. 284 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable the fans are screaming during practice 285 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: routes and not screaming, but like they're in every shot 286 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: during practice routes sometimes. 287 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: So what's more difficult has caddies to figure out around 288 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: the gusta the greens or the wind? Because I think 289 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: some of the great shots at Augusta are on that 290 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: twelfth hole where they're in the lead and they're standing 291 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: there and they're trying to So you both agree that 292 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: it's the wind. 293 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: I'd say it's more important for us to know the 294 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: wind than where the where the break around the green 295 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: is because at least the player you know he can 296 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: hit the putt and they and they play so much 297 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: and they hit so many practice What. 298 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: Are the hardest places on that golf course to gauge 299 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: the wind? Front? 300 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: For me, that's six t is sneaky because you can't 301 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: ever feel the wind there and straight down hills the 302 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: balls up in the air. The part three six, and 303 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't ever feel the way 304 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: twelve is obviously. 305 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: The most famous, means said some reason six You just 306 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: can't You can't feel any win there. 307 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: And it's a t shot where you need to control 308 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: the distance and it's ratten. I mean it's so downhill. 309 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: I mean it's got to play what ten down or 310 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, for sure, And I don't know. 311 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: I think that that one's always a tough one to 312 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: give him a number to commit to. 313 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Are there places on the golf course, guys in the 314 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: fair ways for second shots? 315 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: That second shot on fifteen, it is a good one 316 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: with the windows. 317 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you're trying to be elevated. 318 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: Shots, I mean personally just me, but fourteen as well, 319 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: like the second shot in fourteen had some close calls 320 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: there or just sometimes. 321 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: You gotta be a number because you come up a 322 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: little short. 323 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, on that right pin when we won, we kept 324 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: it short of the pin. I mean there's maybe four 325 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: feet over and it's like not a good caddy number, 326 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: but definitely got a little bit of luck. And I 327 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: think around there sometimes you need a little bit of luck. 328 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: Every everyone who's won there has maybe a little bit 329 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: of luck somewhere. 330 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: Because it is because of the green complexes and the 331 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: way that they're designed, and some of the pin positions 332 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: that they can put pins at Augusta are so difficult 333 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: to get to the numbers that you guys are talking 334 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: about the difference between being one or two yards out. 335 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: You can have catastrophic situations happened to where like when 336 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: they put that pin back right on AJ you were 337 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: talking about the six the part three back right, there's 338 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: probably only five five steps to land that you can 339 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: be posing on one and it comes up a yard 340 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: short and then you are down all the way down 341 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: and you're struggling to make both you. 342 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: Got one hundred foot but at left is where you 343 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: end up. Yeah, you've landed at four paces from the pen. 344 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: Now you got a one hundred foot two point Yeah, 345 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's one. 346 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 2: You got to be spot on with the number, and 347 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: you can't really fill a win there. It's just just 348 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: a tricky. 349 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: Little Obviously, the obvious places at Augusta that you have 350 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: to pick up shots are the par fives, the second hole, 351 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: the eighth hole, thirteen and fifteen. How important and is 352 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: that something that you think is in the players heads, 353 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: But is that something that's in your guys' heads where 354 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: you say, okay, God, we know this is a very 355 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: difficult golf course, but we have four chances here. Talk 356 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: to me about the par fives, because that's where you 357 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: can make a statement, I think as players. I mean, 358 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: I know when you guys won, you guys played the 359 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: par fives, Well, same with you. How important are the 360 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: four par five? And when you don't make a birdie there? 361 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Is it hard not to feel like, man, that was 362 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: a mischance. 363 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that you used to feel like that. 364 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: But they keep getting longer and longer every year, So 365 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, I mean thirteen, I don't know 366 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: how many how many guys went for it since they 367 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: moved that te I mean, if you don't have to 368 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: draw and kind of sling it around that corner, it's 369 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: I just don't see that. I don't think it's worth 370 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: going for it with three wood in your hand all 371 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: the trouble up there. And same with I mean, they 372 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: moved fifteen back. I've heard they moved two back this year. 373 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, back in a little left. But it brings that 374 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: that bunker now is like a little bit it used 375 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: to be closer. So I'm kind of happy about. 376 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: It because I just don't know how many of them 377 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: are going to be reachable for if they play them 378 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: all the way back. 379 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 3: To be reachable for sure. Eight eight is one that 380 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: if you make a paw on, I'm never too upset 381 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: about for us because that fairway is always given us trouble. 382 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: So I'm happy to hit the fairway and get a 383 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: look for Bertie. I don't want to like scramble for 384 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: a par there, but that one I'm not too But 385 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: once you make that turn after twelve, like you said, 386 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: once you get past twelve, that's when I feel like 387 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: I want to kind of step on the gas in 388 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: the year like but now, I mean, things have changed. 389 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: Don't get comfortable, as we said earlier, do you guys? 390 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: Keep you not comfortable? 391 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: Not given the situation, Because everybody says the back nine 392 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: begins on Sunday on the tent pole, right, everybody says 393 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: that always at Augusta, and everyone knows the drama around there, 394 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: but excluding the drama that you know is out there, 395 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: Which nine do you think, just from a pure playing standpoint, 396 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: not from a situation standpoint, because obviously trying to win 397 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: on the back nine at Augusta and get a green 398 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: jacket is always more difficult on the back nine just 399 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: because of the situation. But do you guys feel that 400 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: there's a side, the front or the back that you 401 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: guys think is easier, harder just in your head? 402 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. If one size pretty bad. 403 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: I mean I feel like you get, you know, kind 404 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: of one and two, even though one sneaky, but one 405 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: and two is like a nice all right, here we go. Three. 406 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you could see some really good numbers there, 407 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: you could birdy it, but it's it's a dirty little 408 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 3: green too. Four, then five, I mean, hitch, I feel like, 409 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: you know, four and five hitch you. And then it's 410 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: like you're kind of on and then you say six 411 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: the t shot. But then seven kind of gives you 412 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of a break if you have a 413 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: wedge in especially like that right then you bring it. 414 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's in everybody, I accomplish you that. 415 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: But then eight, it's like, all right, part five, so 416 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: you're always thinking there's a chance for birdie there. Nine's 417 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 3: pretty tough on the second shot. I feel like, depending on. 418 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Where you're driving is because you can be hitting off 419 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: the downslope or if you can get it down to 420 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: the flat. 421 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: For sure, but anything in the fairway from there, I mean, 422 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: I think I want to say that it's more of 423 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 3: a second shot hole that's you know, and then ten 424 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: I feel like can be kind of a break. But 425 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: then you hit eleven, twelve and then thirty easy holes 426 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: out now we're just talking are less hard. 427 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: Than Okay, this is a little bit of a break. 428 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: I mean between the park, like you said, the par 429 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: five and you throw you throw in three in there 430 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: and you throw in you know, I mean, these guys 431 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: are so good sixteen and twelve or or you know, 432 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 2: seven iron and a wedge nine iron from twelve whatever, 433 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: So you think you're thinking you should get looks on 434 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: those holes. But then again, you know twelve, you know 435 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: you can make up seven just as fast as you 436 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: can make two. So it's but you think you think 437 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: you're thinking you want to get good looks on those holes. 438 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: There's been make stressful, stress free pars on all the 439 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: other ones. 440 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: Over the years. I think the poor threes at Augusta 441 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: National throughout the history of the of the Championship have 442 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: been where some of the great moments Tiger Jack, all 443 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: of that. Out of the poor threes, which ones do 444 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: you feel like are the hardest and which ones do 445 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: you feel like if you had to rank them as 446 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: hardest to easiest, which one would be the hardest and 447 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: which ones which ones would be easy or four. 448 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: Is one of the hardest part threes on the planet. 449 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: People. 450 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: The talk us through the fourth hole as a par three. 451 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: So the distance that you play it, you guys can 452 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: play it anywhere from what it's. 453 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: Two forty from when they play it back and the 454 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: right flag you got about three yard landing zone over 455 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: the bunker. The bunkers fifteen feet deep. Can can't see 456 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: the flag from when you're down in the bunker. The 457 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: greens pitched at fifteen percent back to front. I mean 458 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: it is just a munch. 459 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: It's very difficult to hit the grind. 460 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, in front flags you got you know 461 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: it's six yards wide. You're trying to land a foreign 462 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: I mean it's you just make your three and you 463 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: run at fifteen. 464 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like. 465 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: Sixteen right sixteen when they put the Sunday pin where 466 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: everybody is trying to make hold one. Sixteen all of 467 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: a sudden becomes somewhat of an easy hole when they 468 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: put the pin on Sunday. 469 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: I mean on that golf course, you feel like, yeah. 470 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: Like a right pin that they tend to put sometimes 471 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: on Friday, where it's up on that shelf back right. 472 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: That's listen. I'm just gonna put some respect on twelve 473 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: because I don't want the golf God's mad at me 474 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: just because of the wind. But also, I mean, you're 475 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: right four, I'd say, I'd say sixteen definitely is. I 476 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: would say if there's an easy is the easiest one 477 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: to give you, it's just that's got to be it, 478 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: And then the hardest is I think all player dependent. 479 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: But I would think if you took like a pole 480 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: out of the four, I think sixteen wins on that's 481 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: that's probably the easiest one, most scorable one, probably the 482 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 3: and probably has the most holding ones on it. So 483 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: I'd say that's a good step in the half for. 484 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: Making six the front left pen that's an easy hole 485 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: because you just hit it long right and let it 486 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 2: come right right down to it. But yeah, six ball right, 487 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: you're back right pin, it's a hard hole. Same one sixteen. 488 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: If it's left pin, its feeds right down to it. 489 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: It's a back right pen. One of the hardest shots 490 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: on the golf course. 491 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to say twelve is just consistently the hardest, 492 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: no matter what you mentioned. 493 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: Twelve and how difficult I mean, and I don't think 494 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: people have an understanding. Is one how short that hole is? 495 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean it plays max one twelve. 496 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually what one like thirty something, yeah one, 497 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: it can play forty something. 498 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: It can play from one twenty five to one fifty five. 499 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 4: But it's crazy because you see someone only nine steps 500 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: wide anyway. 501 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: From my pitch. It's like a little chippy eight iron 502 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: if it's into the lens. 503 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'll see someone hit the shot ten seconds 504 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: before you hit. Let's say you know there. You know 505 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: everyone knows everyone game pretty well for the most part. 506 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: You play with them enough and you're like, oh, this 507 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: guy just hit his his one forty five club and 508 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: end up long. You're like, okay, well i'll hit one. 509 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 3: I'll hit it one forty club and then you end 510 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 3: up and you see a guy end up like short 511 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 3: bunker and you're like, how is this even impossible? 512 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: When the ball is in the air there as caddies, 513 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: is that one of the most nervous because as soon 514 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: as you're hitting, you're like, okay, please let us please, please, 515 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: hopefully we got this right. 516 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's nerve I mean for pulling a wedge. 517 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: It's it's one of the more nerve wrecking. 518 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: It's one of the more satisfying greens to hit. When 519 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: it hits the green, you're like, oh, maybe we birdied 520 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: it on Sunday. By the way, it was a good 521 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: I was that was probably one of my favorite birdies 522 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: out there. 523 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, you look at the flag on eleven and it's 524 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: bowling the complete opposite ways flag on twelve. 525 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you look at. 526 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 2: The top of the tree trying to tell you, guy, 527 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: just commit to this shot. Yeah, and he's asking you 528 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: where the wind is and you have no You just got. 529 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: To be confident though when you say it, because they 530 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: can't sense doubt in your mind, in your voice. 531 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: You give him your best guess and pray you're right. 532 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: You both worked for players that won go through it individually. 533 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: Keess and and a day. What did your player? What 534 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: did what did Patrick? What did DJ? In your opinions, 535 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: do well that week. So when you and Patrick won Kes, 536 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: what did you feel like you guys did well? He 537 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: did well for the week. 538 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: For his game, I think he hit his off the 539 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: t box with the driver. He is driver as good 540 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 3: as I've ever seen him hit it, and it you know, 541 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: if he's in the fairway and he's hitting consistently in 542 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: the fairway, I think he's one of those dangerous guys 543 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: out there. And I think he's proven that plenty of times. 544 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: But that's that's something I remember, you know, in practice 545 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: rounds Charlie. We played with Charlie and Brett Walman those 546 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: first two days and Brett was like, man, boys driving 547 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: the hell out of it, and I was like he 548 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: is and sure enough, you know when we says that, 549 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: you're not thinking we're gonna win. You're just thinking, man, 550 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: he's hitting it good this week. And for me, that's 551 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: always a big factor. 552 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: Hey, J, what was DJ in your opinion doing really 553 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: really well the week he won? 554 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: Well? Obviously, if you win the Masters, you're doing everything 555 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 2: really well. But you know, the year we won was 556 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: it was in November and twenty twenty, so it was 557 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: it was colder, it was soft, and I mean he 558 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: obviously striked it really well, but he was just he 559 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: was really in control of his distances. I mean I 560 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: remember tell him a number and it seemed like he 561 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: just he'd hit that number. 562 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: Well. 563 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially and then then when it's soft too, 564 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: because you know, you're flying everything. So yeah, he did 565 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: everything well, but yeah, just really in control of his distances, 566 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: just was on top of his game, stayed focused. I mean, 567 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: it's funny. We were in there while he's hit his 568 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: second shot on the green in eighteen on Sunday, and 569 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: we're walking up the fairway and I hand him as 570 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: putter and he kind of looks at me. It was 571 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of blank stare, and it's like, you know, how 572 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: are we doing in the tournament? 573 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 574 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: We got a BIRDI putt probably twenty feet. What are 575 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: you talking about? He goes, no, No, like, like to 576 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: our score? How are we dude? You got five shot lead? 577 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 2: He went. He went the whole day without looking at 578 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: one scoreboard. I mean, I don't know if he might. 579 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: If you've been to Augusta, the scoreboards are massive, like 580 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: a like a billboard on the side of the interstate, 581 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: and I mean you're walking down the fairway five minutes past. 582 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: These things, I don't know how you can't look at one, 583 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: and he had no clue at all how we stood 584 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: in the tournament when after he hit a second shot 585 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: into the eighteenth green. 586 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: It's also the type of golf course if you've ever 587 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: been there, you know when things are happening on the 588 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: golf course. Yeah, that is one of the cool things 589 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: about it. 590 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, there were no fans, so usually you can hear 591 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: all the other roars from the birdies and stuff we were 592 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: out there, but there were the year we played there 593 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: weren't any fans allowed, so it's ka it was a 594 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: little strange, and he didn't have the roars of Augusta, 595 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: so it was a little weird in that sense. But 596 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: when the pressure was still there, trust me. 597 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: But when the patrons are there, there are distinct roars 598 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: from you know, the Tiger rar, you know the Phil roy, 599 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: you know the Rory roar. There are certain players around 600 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: that course the fans that that take to them when 601 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: they do things you can kind of know it's coming. 602 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: You know, a birdie and an eagle roar too. A 603 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: difference in. 604 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: Our whole day. I mean, it was Ricky and Jordan 605 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: right throwing a bunch of roars right in front of us, 606 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: just added pressure, just more like I'm like, yeah, like 607 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: I really need this right now. And you can just 608 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: hear it every time, and you know, seventeen, I think 609 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: Ricky had maybe he almost hold out he heard it. 610 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: And then of course on like you know, we make 611 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: a great par on seventeen and I'm thinking, all right, 612 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: two shot league going into eighteen, and I I swear 613 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: as soon as I set the bag down on the 614 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: tea box, you hear ror on eighteen. And I look 615 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: over and someone's like, Ricky just burdy at eighteen, and 616 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, well, Shotley, he would go Parski. 617 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: You know, Parski are better, and as we know, the 618 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 3: rest is history. 619 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: When you're walking up that eighteenth fairway, I can't even 620 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like for a player, but 621 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: for you guys as caddies. I mean, everybody obviously as 622 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: a player wants to win it Augusta, but I would 623 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: think from a caddy stamp, I know, certainly as an instructor, 624 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: as a coach, the fact that I've been lucky enough 625 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: to work with DJ and he's won around Augusta for 626 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: me is one of the great accomplishments of my career 627 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: when you all are walking up that eighteenth and you 628 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: both got to do it to where you were a 629 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: little different to where you had to make a par 630 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: But there must be a moment on that eighteenth green 631 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: where you get I know you were crying aj before 632 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: he but it's got to be this over just just 633 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: oversensory of just like geez, just can't believe we did that. 634 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what was that moment like after the winning 635 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: putt goes in and you realize that you're standing on 636 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: the eighteenth green at Augusta with the player agent, You're 637 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: there with your brother, you're there with your I mean 638 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: a player, and it's it's got to just be unbelievable feeling. 639 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: I mean woke up for the next two weeks saying 640 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: it was a dream, no joke, Like was like that 641 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 3: really did happen. That really did happen. And the weight 642 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: that comes up like just lifts off your shoulders. For 643 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: me personally, if there's any if I could have one 644 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: major in my whole career as a caddy, that would 645 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: be my one, no doubt. 646 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we grew up an hour down the street. So 647 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, when we were kids, every putt, you know, 648 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: for we had to go home whatever it was the 649 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: window masters, and you know that's just been a dream 650 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: of ours forever. And then to do it and be 651 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: on the bag for the big bro, it's a yeah. 652 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't hold back. 653 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: I started Hell, I almost cried I was watching it. 654 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean I just remember, not like I couldn't stop 655 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: smiling for like three four days afterwards. It's just yeah, 656 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: like you said, big relief, sheer joy. 657 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: And I think because the golf course, it's the same 658 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: golf course, because we know. 659 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: What the tradition, the tradition. 660 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: Do you feel like as a as a caddy, as 661 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: as and the player as a team when you win 662 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: there that you're you're almost like, I know, you don't 663 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: want to jinx it. But we figured it out this week. 664 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: We figured it out on the most difficult golf course. 665 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: Not to say that we've got this figured out forever 666 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: going forward, but there must be that sense of relief 667 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: as a player, as the team of looking at each 668 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: other on that eighteenth green and going that is the 669 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: most difficult test there is to win around that golf 670 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: course with all the history, there must be that sense 671 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that we figured it out this week and we got 672 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: it done this week. 673 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I felt like you cracked the code on a state. 674 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: You know. 675 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially from caddies, because it is the 676 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: most challenging both physically and mentally. And you know that 677 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: you do. You do feel like a huge sense of 678 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: accomplishment when you when you are successful around that place 679 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: because it is so challenging. 680 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: Well, I know you both can't wait to get there, 681 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and hopefully there's more green jackets available for you guys, 682 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: But I think to win around that place is pretty special, 683 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: and for you two to do it is, Uh, it's 684 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: got to be pretty special for you guys. 685 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us, thanks for having us appreciate you. 686 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: So I think that was just some fantastic insight from 687 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: A J and Kessler, And I think you can hear 688 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: them talking about what it's like to be on the bag. 689 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: And I've been going to the Masters, you know, really, 690 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: I think the first year I went to the Masters 691 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: with nineteen eighty seven, my grandfather was still alive. But 692 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: it is such a special place. But as a coach, 693 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: you're nervous when you're there. You're nervous about what's going 694 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: to happen, and I can't even imagine what I mean, 695 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to play, 696 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: but to carry the bag and be on the bag 697 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: for a player that wins a green jacket. I think 698 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: it is pretty special and I think you'll you can 699 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: hear that in the way that Kessler and AJ talk 700 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: about it. I think it's I think it's super, super exciting. 701 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: I think everybody I think we need a major, I 702 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: really do. I think with everything going on in professional golf, 703 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: I think we need a major to kind of just 704 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: get everybody talking about golf. And hopefully at Augusta next week, 705 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: we're talking more about golf than we're not talking about golf, 706 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: and we're talking about what's going on on the golf course, 707 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: and hopefully we not hopefully, I know we will see 708 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: some great golf. I think we have some great players 709 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: peaking at a right time. And I think this Masters, 710 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four edition, I think it is going 711 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: to be something special. I for one, am looking forward 712 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: to it. I'll be flying up there Sunday night after 713 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: the Live Miami Tournament, so I can't wait to get 714 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: up there. I want to thank everyone for listening. Son 715 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday. We will 716 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: see you next week.