Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to trade us another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced that he could win it. We
Speaker 1: are Wilferdell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, won a
Speaker 1: TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars join
Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets
Speaker 1: Twirled trading places.
Speaker 2: Yes cue the Hood?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are we just going to always have a
Speaker 1: video clip of view of the hood to start us off?
Speaker 3: I was just thinking the same thing. It's like if
Speaker 3: they use it every week, I'm just in always interest.
Speaker 1: It was just me in a hood for maybe you
Speaker 1: should just like spontaneously wear it halfway through an episode
Speaker 1: or like a good idea.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start dressing more and more like Alan
Speaker 3: Cumming because he's fabulous every week.
Speaker 1: Like he dyes his hair different colors. Yeah, can you
Speaker 1: wash that out that easily?
Speaker 2: I think you can't.
Speaker 3: I also think it's really bad for your hair to
Speaker 3: continually change colors.
Speaker 2: It's not healthy for your hair. I just I know
Speaker 2: that we died Indy's hair.
Speaker 1: He wanted to have blue hair when he was doing
Speaker 1: like a rock concert thing, and it was like it
Speaker 1: was blue forever. Oh god, it was so much blue,
Speaker 1: like blue all over the man.
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, you and I did weird ship with
Speaker 3: our hair, but you never did any colors.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, okay, so I did frosted tips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that when I did the movie Buccanege
Speaker 1: at Ours and I got frosted tips because my brother
Speaker 1: was in it and we wanted to make sure we
Speaker 1: look different.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to have like lighter hair. And that's it.
Speaker 2: That's like the only, the only real dye. I did
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: I did frosted tips in the nineties, and then I
Speaker 3: did kind of a reddish orange for h double hockey sticks, right,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that they wanted like I wanted to
Speaker 1: like bleach my hair at one point when I was
Speaker 1: like ten, I wanted to like bleach the top of
Speaker 1: my hair because I think there was like a really
Speaker 1: cool kid on my soccer team who.
Speaker 2: Had like that like swoops, like a team. Oh my God,
Speaker 2: I imagine the hippy soccer team must have been interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, soccer's pick up and up, and it is
Speaker 3: because it's basically a big hacky sack.
Speaker 2: I get it. But anyway, my parents wouldn't let me,
Speaker 2: which is interesting to think about it now, Like, did
Speaker 2: you ever do son In? You remember son In? No?
Speaker 3: So son In was like this might have they might
Speaker 3: have stopped it because it's basically all carcinogens. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it was a spray bottle that you would spray in
Speaker 3: your hair and then when you stayed in the sun,
Speaker 3: it would make your hair lighter. So it was that
Speaker 3: it was like a sun bleaching process. Yeah, just really cool,
Speaker 3: but that's I'm sure it was horribly unhealthy. That's funny
Speaker 3: my scouts bleeding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, brought to buy son In by son In exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we are finally we can cover an episode
Speaker 1: without knowing what the next episode is, just taking one
Speaker 1: at a time, Yeah, because a lot happens in one
Speaker 1: episode on this show, and when you get into it,
Speaker 1: like when we did four for our first like recording session,
Speaker 1: just too much, man, I think that like the show
Speaker 1: is so much better in little doses. Why do you
Speaker 1: think they did that. Why do you think they were
Speaker 1: released four in a row?
Speaker 2: I don't what.
Speaker 3: My guess is probably it's something along the lines of
Speaker 3: we still don't know what all the streaming numbers are. Right,
Speaker 3: So my guess is you take what has to be
Speaker 3: one of their biggest shows and you flood it because
Speaker 3: you want people to buy Peacock or download Peacock, because
Speaker 3: they want to get traders.
Speaker 2: And so my guess is that's why they do it.
Speaker 3: Why they do four and then three and then one
Speaker 3: or whatever they did three and then two and then
Speaker 3: one that I don't understand.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, front load it, do three, but then
Speaker 3: do one after that.
Speaker 2: But no, I might answer to that is I do
Speaker 2: not know. Okay, well, at breakfast we learn no one
Speaker 2: was murdered, but we also learn plenty of salmon. The
Speaker 2: first thing you said.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have to be developing a storyline here.
Speaker 1: Something is going to happen in like the the closing
Speaker 1: twist of it, because you would never leave all this
Speaker 1: in just as like a weird like joke, right right.
Speaker 1: It's so it's either like the great like an editor
Speaker 1: just having the funnest time in the world, or somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna like turn on somebody because they ate all the salmon.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean, Like it's gonna be like, no,
Speaker 1: you're a trader because you took the salmon and you
Speaker 1: lied about it or something like that. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like.
Speaker 2: You know, the clue.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like the thing that turns the whole
Speaker 1: mystery around.
Speaker 2: It's weird. It's a weird storyline to just keep u
Speaker 2: it's it's like a red hair.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's I think it's I think it's gonna end
Speaker 1: up being like an essential clue to or essential twist
Speaker 1: for somebody, like turn on somebody else or.
Speaker 2: I hope so, I hope I really he always ate salmon,
Speaker 2: and then they didn't it must be lying.
Speaker 3: Do you also notice when they did the recap of
Speaker 3: the last episode, they did not put in Michael's comment.
Speaker 1: I noticed that it kind of episode Yes.
Speaker 3: Which do you think they just didn't want to Maybe
Speaker 3: they just didn't want to walk that minefield or I mean,
Speaker 3: who knows, but I was kind of amazed that they
Speaker 3: didn't throw in that comment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, it's We're in an interesting time
Speaker 1: with stuff like that, because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of cancel culture moment.
Speaker 2: That we've had been living through for a while, it's over.
Speaker 1: It's subsided a lot, and I think that people are
Speaker 1: a little exhausted by the self righteousness of like just
Speaker 1: pointing fingers, and so maybe that was enough.
Speaker 2: They were just to be right. Heel, he dug his
Speaker 2: own grave, he lost, he got kicked off the show.
Speaker 3: We don't need to we don't need to bracket it
Speaker 3: again talking about it, no, because.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of half expected Colton to bring
Speaker 1: it up or to like and it's just kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, he said something.
Speaker 2: Shitty and we all moved on, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, good, good for the show kind of you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure he's dealt with it in public, like
Speaker 1: social media and stuff. Michael's probably dealing with the follow us.
Speaker 1: The show doesn't need to like align itself with like just.
Speaker 3: The question too is I'm so curious as to the
Speaker 3: editing process of the show, because you wonder what they're
Speaker 3: cutting out.
Speaker 2: And it was one of two things.
Speaker 3: Either everyone got together and decided we're not going to
Speaker 3: mention this again, or the show went we're going to
Speaker 3: edit around it. We don't need it anymore either one.
Speaker 3: I agree with both of both of those possibilities.
Speaker 2: I agree too. I think it's like, you know, let's
Speaker 2: just we did the thing we could do.
Speaker 1: We don't need to, like, you know, key patting ourselves
Speaker 1: on the back, or keep being aghast at how awful Michaels.
Speaker 2: They didn't even talk about him at all, which is no.
Speaker 3: They mentioned them what kind of one time at the
Speaker 3: at the roundtable, which was great.
Speaker 2: But it's also interesting because they were wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: like they they did the right thing, but they're playing poorly. Yep. Still, yep,
Speaker 2: they continue.
Speaker 1: To play poorly at this game.
Speaker 2: Rob who's a genius? Well is he anymore? I mean,
Speaker 2: well get that. Yeah, it's a good it's a good
Speaker 2: im into it, all right.
Speaker 1: So we get a flashback to the turret where Alan
Speaker 1: delivered the news that they don't get to murder anybody.
Speaker 1: Pause that scene because we do come back. There's more
Speaker 1: to it, but at this point that's all we get.
Speaker 2: So you surprised, Were you surprised nobody took a shield?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I actually was. I kind of was a little bit too.
Speaker 3: I thought they were going to say somebody took a
Speaker 3: shield that was pleasantly surprised that everybody stuck to their word.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Traders were planning on banishing Ron or
Speaker 1: letting Ron get banished, right of course, and then murdering
Speaker 1: Colton because uh, he has said Lisa's name, dared to
Speaker 1: say's name, She's gonna cut his throat, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this language. I'm just like, dude, I wouldn't say this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, because she said a couple of things this week too,
Speaker 3: where it's like just making your middle name doesn't make it.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I forgot to say in my intro I'm riding strong.
Speaker 1: It was strong before Traders, and I'm right strong after
Speaker 1: bod meets Twirled.
Speaker 2: I love it. I was like, that is like, what
Speaker 2: does that mean? It means nothing, but I kind of
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, somebody did say that to
Speaker 1: me once, like I did something and I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have done that or I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was like trying to be humble.
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, you're riding strong, and I remember
Speaker 1: being like, what a.
Speaker 2: Cool way to live. I wish I couldn't. I could
Speaker 2: never do.
Speaker 3: That like that a self aggrandizing kind of amazing. Were
Speaker 3: then to.
Speaker 1: Be like you know, can I would, at least in
Speaker 1: your own head.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it out loud.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe that's because, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: you probably I mean, I know you're gonna say because
Speaker 1: of the panic attacks and the anxiety. But I know
Speaker 1: you were a super confident guy when you were a
Speaker 1: teenager on Boy Meets World. But for anxiety maybe a year,
Speaker 1: for like a year or two. Maybe not right at
Speaker 1: the beginning and not at the end, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of You've got to have so much confidence in
Speaker 1: yourself to be that funny and to go that far jokes.
Speaker 3: And I feel likely comedically confident, confident. But then I'd
Speaker 3: go home and just sit by myself in the door.
Speaker 3: But you know that's true.
Speaker 2: I never left my house even early on. No, not really.
Speaker 1: I feel like in conversations I could, I could, I
Speaker 1: could see a track in your head going, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: will confided in a good way. I'm saying this is
Speaker 1: a compliment, it's a positive thing.
Speaker 3: I think the funniest thing is when we The twist
Speaker 3: is actually finding out her legal name is Lisa.
Speaker 2: Lisa. It's actually it's pronounced fuk. It is an old
Speaker 2: Scottish name from my family side, so that would be
Speaker 2: the best, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, Colton immediately calls out Lisa for the sunglasses, which
Speaker 1: is a good point.
Speaker 3: I am a huge proponent of that. I've always said
Speaker 3: there's three reasons to whar sunglasses inside. You are drunk
Speaker 3: or high, or over or hungover, you've just been in
Speaker 3: a fight, or you're an asshole.
Speaker 2: Those are the only three reasons to wear some more
Speaker 2: man like. Yeah, I used to.
Speaker 1: I worked with the director Blake Edwards, legendary film director
Speaker 1: married to Julianders, and he never took his sunglasses while
Speaker 1: directing on.
Speaker 2: A stage, no, a sound stage with lighting. It was
Speaker 2: always like.
Speaker 3: I judge you, sir, I judge you. You want a jackass,
Speaker 3: take your glasses off. Don't trust anybody won't let me
Speaker 3: see their eyes?
Speaker 2: All right? So yeah, the salmon thing comes up again. Uh.
Speaker 2: Colton pulls Derinda aside immediately and just starts getting right
Speaker 2: into It's Lisa, Lisa, Lisa.
Speaker 3: But here's the things he's He's he's right, obviously, but
Speaker 3: he's lost all credibility.
Speaker 2: I know, it's gone. I know.
Speaker 3: So it sucks because he's finally aiming in the right direction,
Speaker 3: but aiming with a completely unloaded firearm.
Speaker 1: So every time that he pushes her, either in public
Speaker 1: or even when they're alone, she's not very good.
Speaker 2: She's terrible. Yeah, she's like what I mean, I would
Speaker 2: just I would have caved.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's strange because it seems like
Speaker 3: her and I'm not trying to come at her personally.
Speaker 3: I don't know her, but it seems like her acting
Speaker 3: should be better than it is.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there is a something psychological, some kind of
Speaker 3: name for it where we think we know that she's
Speaker 3: lying because we in fact know that she's lying. Does
Speaker 3: that make sense, Like, no, no, she's not telling the truth.
Speaker 3: So we could be like, she's bad.
Speaker 2: I know she's not telling the truth.
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's not even the performance, because the performance,
Speaker 1: I agree, And that's it's hard to know.
Speaker 2: I think I trust.
Speaker 1: Everybody all the time, Like I'm not good at spotting liars,
Speaker 1: so I just assume that, you know, so it's not
Speaker 1: really the bad like bad performance. It's like she literally
Speaker 1: says nothing. She's just like, no, I'm not a trader.
Speaker 1: You're a trader.
Speaker 2: I'm a faithful you're faithful.
Speaker 3: Just add a.
Speaker 1: Little bit more, just like, yeah, I'm trying to play
Speaker 1: it cool because blah blah blah, or I came in
Speaker 1: and instead she just yells and says no, I'm not.
Speaker 2: And it's like kill a little something.
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, if you literally, if you're self
Speaker 3: aware enough to say something like, look, I'm one of
Speaker 3: the housewives.
Speaker 2: I'm on a show where we just yell at each
Speaker 2: other all the time. This is a game. I figured
Speaker 2: I'd come in and try to actually play the game and.
Speaker 3: Quiet down argus that would be an argument that, I mean,
Speaker 3: that makes more sense than just going no.
Speaker 1: The one little move she does at breakfast is she
Speaker 1: says she's gonna housewife it up, and so she asks
Speaker 1: for wine and champagne. And I was like, oh, she's good,
Speaker 1: she's gonna play big. But then she didn't really stick
Speaker 1: with it for the rest of the episode. I know you,
Speaker 1: until she's.
Speaker 3: Yelling ridiculous bowl of peeled eggs that they're passing around.
Speaker 3: It is like a like a salad bowl filled with
Speaker 3: hard boiled eggs that had already been shelled.
Speaker 2: Very strange giant bowl of eggs. So it's just it's
Speaker 2: a show about eggs, since it is.
Speaker 3: To me, it's eggs and salmon, is what. Then they
Speaker 3: asked for toast at one point. I think it was
Speaker 3: all the toast points all right.
Speaker 1: So after breakfast, the players discuss strategy and everyone's still
Speaker 1: on Rang. Everyone's still on Ron except for Colton, who
Speaker 1: is dead set on Lisa. Yeah, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I was just like we talked about this a lot
Speaker 1: last time, so you know, I don't think we need
Speaker 1: to beat it to death, but I do feel raw.
Speaker 2: It's just unfairly kind of getting jumped on.
Speaker 3: And he knows it too, and he kind of leaned
Speaker 3: into it this time where he was just like everything,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, Like everybody knows I'm going to get
Speaker 3: be kicked off.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Lisa gives a horrible performance say no in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. It was so what is wrong with you? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I wouldn't catch it. I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. Really interesting scene with Ron and
Speaker 1: Rob playing chess and you know, Ron's basically admitting that
Speaker 1: everyone's going to vote him out and he knows it.
Speaker 1: And then Rob basically admitting, like, no one takes me seriously.
Speaker 1: They just think I'm a dumb Southern boy. Ron is
Speaker 1: very kind, compliments him, goes out of his way, which
Speaker 1: is super interesting given how much he was like my
Speaker 1: family's none of your business to during the last week
Speaker 1: or yeah. Instead, now he's like, I've seen you with
Speaker 1: your family.
Speaker 2: I know how you are.
Speaker 1: You're a good man, like he gives you know. But anyway,
Speaker 1: these two guys bond, which I was like, where's this going,
Speaker 1: Like this is not a good move for Rob, and
Speaker 1: because he's you know, he knows they're kind to bandish
Speaker 1: him and he should probably be supportive of that because
Speaker 1: it's good for his trader strategy, which turns out to
Speaker 1: be kind of an issue.
Speaker 2: So Ron's complimenting worked. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love what he's doing. It's also never think somebody's
Speaker 3: an idiot. If the way they pass the time by
Speaker 3: constantly playing chess, you're not an idiot. So he might
Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely if that's the way you like to pass
Speaker 3: the time, because I want to sit down, I want
Speaker 3: to play chess with people.
Speaker 2: Chances are you're not an idiot. It's just a thinking game.
Speaker 3: So it shows that you like strategy, you like to think,
Speaker 3: you like Chess is literally designed to think several moves ahead.
Speaker 3: So I mean the idea that this is what this
Speaker 3: guy loves to do is sit down and play chess.
Speaker 3: He's totally playing under the radar. He's really he's by
Speaker 3: far the best player in the game, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: by far the best player in the game. Super likable,
Speaker 3: so everybody loves all the people are coming up to
Speaker 3: him going like I love you in the shirt you're
Speaker 3: my trader's husband, Like I'll never vote for you.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile he's killing people left to right.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile in the library we had Johnny making moves
Speaker 1: and he starts this whole plan about getting a group
Speaker 1: of eight, which.
Speaker 2: Seems like a risk.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's hard because I feel like Johnny and Mark
Speaker 1: are both actually playing pretty well.
Speaker 2: They're just getting edited like they're they're they're being down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like they make moves like you watch them,
Speaker 1: they're like trying to do stuff, and they're they're grabbing
Speaker 1: people and pulling them in discussion. It's just less personal dramatic,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't It ultimately doesn't work. It hasn't gone
Speaker 1: nowhere like they've now they've been haven't been able to
Speaker 1: make any.
Speaker 2: Of these big moves that they want to.
Speaker 1: But I think they are playing, so I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised that those guys become pretty important players.
Speaker 2: As I said, Johnny is my is my kind of
Speaker 2: dark horse.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when you're like, we need five,
Speaker 3: but we need eight people any names eight and three
Speaker 3: or three of them, You're like.
Speaker 1: Oh, but that's the problem with the whole strategy is
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't build an alliance and then
Speaker 1: point fingers that like just the person that everyone was
Speaker 1: probably going to vote for anyway, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: in this case, they are talking about maybe going to Colton,
Speaker 1: but like either it feels like they're just kind of
Speaker 1: grasping a straws and it's but at least they're trying.
Speaker 1: At least they're doing something. You know, so many people
Speaker 1: are just kind of not doing anything.
Speaker 3: I have a very strong feeling that when the show ends,
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear from Mark Ballast we're gonna hear from Kristen,
Speaker 3: We're gonna hear from Johnny, We're gonna hear from Tara,
Speaker 3: all kind of saying we would talk for hours at night,
Speaker 3: and we're like, not in the show at all. Because
Speaker 3: they finally cut to Mark in a talking head where
Speaker 3: he's by himself, and I'm like, oh God, have we
Speaker 3: had this yet? Have we had Mark actually talking to
Speaker 3: the camera by himself, Like, I'm not sure we've seen
Speaker 3: that before.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but that might also kind of be the
Speaker 2: best way to do it. You just fly under the radar.
Speaker 3: The next thing you know, there's six of you left,
Speaker 3: and then the game kind of starts right right, So
Speaker 3: who knows?
Speaker 2: It's hard with this many people?
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I mean it does feel like they're just
Speaker 1: attacking the weakest social, weakest player and taking them out
Speaker 1: to thin the herd and they can't screwing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Carlton says he's going to tell as many people
Speaker 1: about Lisa so that if he's murdered, she has a
Speaker 1: target on her back, which is seems like a yaller
Speaker 1: toms all right.
Speaker 2: Then we go to the cabin, creepy cabin in the wood.
Speaker 3: Second time they used this last season to the Cabin
Speaker 3: and the last time, I argue it was even more creepy.
Speaker 3: Last time it was filled Florida ceiling with those creepy dolls.
Speaker 3: Like the part of the thing was all we had
Speaker 3: to find the right doll that talked or whatever.
Speaker 2: Super creepy.
Speaker 1: I love this this once again, the show is completely
Speaker 1: my style. It as like a fan of horror as
Speaker 1: the star of a movie called Cabin Fever.
Speaker 2: This is like my jam. And it was so fun.
Speaker 1: Like I thought that all the special effects and like
Speaker 1: little you know, like.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: When I first went in, I was like, what is
Speaker 1: this just some set decoration? But then they actually had
Speaker 1: like set pieces and like special effects and like hands
Speaker 1: coming out of graves.
Speaker 2: This was cool.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Escape room is it this kind of like this like
Speaker 2: you sitting, Yeah, but not this good, but yes like that?
Speaker 2: You mean, I love escape rooms.
Speaker 1: I've done them all the time, and like, oh dude,
Speaker 1: there's so fun and there's so many different types of
Speaker 1: like you know, some of them are like I've done
Speaker 1: ones where you're trying to break into something, like you're
Speaker 1: a heist robbing. I've done ones where you're at like
Speaker 1: an archaeological dig that discovered aliens, and you've got to
Speaker 1: like or you're you're going to the crew the ahead
Speaker 1: of you that disappeared, so you got to like piece
Speaker 1: together what happened to them to get them out of
Speaker 1: the dude. And like the production design is usually pretty good,
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's usual it's and you get to
Speaker 1: touch everything and you're like looking through drawers. And I
Speaker 1: did one on the Queen Mary when we were there
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. Yeah, and you're in the Queen Mary,
Speaker 1: You're like, and yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: There's this Scooby Doo one at CityWalk apparently, Wow.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should that'll be a Podmets World though adventure
Speaker 1: an escape room.
Speaker 2: I love it all right, So they got to do
Speaker 2: these cryptic clues.
Speaker 1: Can you do an impression of Allan coming explaining the
Speaker 1: rules for this one grabs the coin because there's a shield,
Speaker 1: but half a shield behind the gravestone after the cryptically
Speaker 1: what I just I stopped. I just didn't even care.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna figure it out. And also it
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't matter. This one is really this one
Speaker 1: was really good. Actually, like I thought this one you know,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't as physical. It actually took a little
Speaker 1: bit of mental energy and teamwork.
Speaker 2: But they also kind of skipped over it.
Speaker 3: They did rushed through the last three clues to do.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, my guess is it took forever to do
Speaker 3: them all. But I love how they're like.
Speaker 2: And if you win today, you will win fourteen thousand,
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty one dollars. It's like, wait, what
Speaker 2: it was eighteen thousand dollars? Was there?
Speaker 3: It's just there's such weird numbers that they're picking to win.
Speaker 3: But my guess is this took a lot longer than
Speaker 3: they thought. So they did the first two to let
Speaker 3: people know what was going on, and then they buzzed
Speaker 3: through the rest of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went because it went really fast.
Speaker 1: But I thought the clues were really cool, like and
Speaker 1: I think it was wrong that says like I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of us, like this were doing really well, and
Speaker 1: I was like, besides, they only missed the first one,
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 3: And also, wait, we forgot to talk about the fact
Speaker 3: that they did what they did last time. And your
Speaker 3: favorite Natalie said exactly what I said, they should say.
Speaker 3: They they're like, oh and their shields up there if
Speaker 3: you want it, and she's like, all right, nobody takes
Speaker 3: the shield and anybody who touches the shield were banishing.
Speaker 2: So smart Champian was gonna.
Speaker 3: Do it, man, Yeah, like he was even considering even after.
Speaker 2: That he was.
Speaker 1: But in this case, it didn't mean that nobody would
Speaker 1: get murdered, right, It just meant that you wouldn't get.
Speaker 2: Murdered, right. So I was a little confused, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: by by both things.
Speaker 1: I was a little confused by like Natalie making the pronouncement,
Speaker 1: which I think is smart, like that's actually the way
Speaker 1: to play. But I wonder if she thought that if
Speaker 1: anybody took a shield that they would be that that
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought I was wondering if she thought
Speaker 1: that as long as they don't take a shield, nobody
Speaker 1: would get murdered, because that was because.
Speaker 3: I think she didn't say that like you won't get killed,
Speaker 3: She just said anybody banfield will banish you. Because if
Speaker 3: I was wrong, I mean, Ron wasn't going to get murdered.
Speaker 3: He knew he wasn't going to get murdered because he
Speaker 3: was going to be kicked out. So the traders are
Speaker 3: kind of like why do I need to murder you?
Speaker 3: So he wouldn't. A shield probably wouldn't have helped him anyway,
Speaker 3: So you wonder who that I mean, Colton is probably
Speaker 3: somebody's like, hey man, I've swung and miss twice. Now
Speaker 3: I could use it after me because they might murder
Speaker 3: me or something, So who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if he Colton actually should have gotten
Speaker 1: a shield and then just gone for Lisa big time,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of his strategy already. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna out her as much. I'm gonna come at
Speaker 1: her as hard as I can.
Speaker 2: So why do you think jam jam one won so bad?
Speaker 2: Dam Trimp's just scared all the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, because he's like he cried when they burned his effigy,
Speaker 1: his shield. It's like, dude, like and nobody really said
Speaker 1: his name right now, nobody. You're early on he was,
Speaker 1: he was on the chopping block, but not now not
Speaker 1: Michael was calling him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think you need a shield so badly?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 2: I don't know. He was ready to take it thought or.
Speaker 3: The equivalent in Survivor. Is there some reason he's hooked
Speaker 3: on those from Survivor idols? Yeah, so if you get
Speaker 3: one of those, like, you can't be so maybe it's
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just thinks it's part of the game and
Speaker 2: you need to go for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like shiny objects and he's just going
Speaker 1: after them because he's not a good strategy. No, no,
Speaker 1: for like, it's when you don't have a target on
Speaker 1: your back, don't do it. Like, yeah, if he felt
Speaker 1: like everybody's coming for him, like Colton probably should feel,
Speaker 1: or Ron should feel.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it doesn't matter. It's not banishment.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: God, See, this is the part that I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around. I keep getting confused between murder and
Speaker 1: banishment because they're two different groups that you're trying to appease, Right,
Speaker 1: you have to keep the faithful happy by being part
Speaker 1: of the group and showing you.
Speaker 2: But like for him, yeah, jam jam, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Would it makes sense for a trader though, to be like,
Speaker 3: wait a second, I feel like I could be murdered
Speaker 3: tonight if I get a chance to get a shield.
Speaker 2: I want a.
Speaker 3: Shield because trader, yes, because then your throat won't think
Speaker 3: about it, because then you're throwing everybody off the scent
Speaker 3: like a trader can't be murdered. So if you stand
Speaker 3: up and you're like, I want a shield because I
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna be murdered, people are gonna be like, well,
Speaker 3: then he's obviously not a trader because why would he.
Speaker 2: Need a shield? You know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 3: So I went does that make sense? Or does that
Speaker 3: just put again? It seems like anything that that puts
Speaker 3: the spotlight on you is bad in this game, so
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, so crazy all right?
Speaker 1: We have a chainsaw breaking through a window, Ouiji board,
Speaker 1: spelling mount things, blood dripping down the wall. That was
Speaker 1: really cool and the way it was like underlined and
Speaker 1: they were quick with that when they were.
Speaker 2: Like master of No Jack and.
Speaker 3: Was that was Rob. Rob is solving all these things quickly.
Speaker 3: He's a really smart dude.
Speaker 1: Luckily, Mora tells Jam, Jam, I don't think you should
Speaker 1: take a shield. I don't I don't tink. And then
Speaker 1: real bugs pouring out of a chest. That was creepy, dude,
Speaker 1: there's like maggots and stuff. I was like, what that
Speaker 1: was crazy?
Speaker 3: Last year, one of the challenges was had to hold
Speaker 3: that you held hands with one partner and they just
Speaker 3: covered you with bugs and if anybody freaks.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff, yes, it's the show. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: do one kind of like fear factory kind of thing.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. All right, Well, there
Speaker 2: was a doll singing in the alphabet.
Speaker 1: At one point they had the clock giving a clue,
Speaker 1: the calendar given a clue.
Speaker 2: No one took a shield. Ultimately it was a good round.
Speaker 1: They only lost one clue and then they headed back
Speaker 1: and on the ride back, rob started saying that his
Speaker 1: heart is now saying don't vote for Ron, which was like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: you kind of got to vote for Ron.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's like just because you have a
Speaker 2: good relationship with him or you like him, if you
Speaker 2: want to win this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But here's the thing. Three people go in to
Speaker 3: rob a bank. One of the robbers turns the gun
Speaker 3: on the other two. They walk with all the money.
Speaker 3: So eventually, if you've got a chance to swing and
Speaker 3: take out one of the traders, that's one less obstacle
Speaker 3: in the way for you. And he's done it to
Speaker 3: make it look like he used could be. If this
Speaker 3: guy's as brilliant as he seems, it could be, Like
Speaker 3: I'm going to use my cover of friendship quote unquote
Speaker 3: with Ron to look like a good guy to everybody,
Speaker 3: like I just can't vote for him, when in reality,
Speaker 3: I want to get Lisa out of here because it's
Speaker 3: one less person I have to deal with.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't you be telling us the camera that
Speaker 2: who knows? Because he's he's.
Speaker 1: Telling the camera he's the one saying, I know the
Speaker 1: smart thing to do, let Ron get vote it out
Speaker 1: and then kill Colton. And because he's already calling on Lisa.
Speaker 1: But I like these two guys and my heart is
Speaker 1: you know, and that's ultimately what happens. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I agree it ended up being I think a kind
Speaker 1: of a brilliant move because exactly what he says at
Speaker 1: the end of this episode where he's like longevity, like
Speaker 1: this is a game that we're going to have to
Speaker 1: keep playing. I think he's right about that, But I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's his rationale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because he goes, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: What I think.
Speaker 1: I think Ron just complimented him and made him feel
Speaker 1: good and he said was like, oh, I like this guy,
Speaker 1: and it feels and the same way with Colton, because
Speaker 1: with Colton, his argument is more valid because with Colton,
Speaker 1: he he's done. I think he's told Colton he trusts
Speaker 1: him with other people around, like he's been part of
Speaker 1: a group with that, Colton's rallied with Ron, like nobody's
Speaker 1: been supportive of Ron, so like it does no good
Speaker 1: to be on Ron's side.
Speaker 2: And they kept cut their pride, eating alone and everything
Speaker 2: like that, so sad. It's like, my god.
Speaker 1: Well, so Rob went back at the Castle in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: he in front of Candae and Lisa says he doesn't
Speaker 1: think Ron is a trader anymore.
Speaker 2: So cracks cracks.
Speaker 1: Johnny's trying to get his group of eight back together,
Speaker 1: getting Colton out instead, and then this weird like confrontation
Speaker 1: that Colton has with.
Speaker 3: Lisa, which is so interesting. Well, it's one of the
Speaker 3: things that you and I talked about. Remember this kind
Speaker 3: of has this ever happened before?
Speaker 2: And I feel like she should have gone along with it.
Speaker 3: I kind of agree with you because she's not. No
Speaker 3: one's gonna buy this any longer. She's already had five votes.
Speaker 3: My guess is that's gonna continue, and she's got an
Speaker 3: episode or two left. Yeah, And the idea what he
Speaker 3: said when he looks into the camera and he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try something.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna see.
Speaker 3: If I can take take her hostage. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's a wow moment for me. I was like, that's ballsy,
Speaker 3: because you've got to walk up.
Speaker 2: To somebody and be like, I know you're a trader.
Speaker 2: Let's work together.
Speaker 1: And that's what he did, is they were working together,
Speaker 1: like if you think this through, like they can protect
Speaker 1: each other for tonight.
Speaker 2: Right. So she will basically say to him, we will
Speaker 2: keep killing faithfuls, but I'm not gonna kill I'll make
Speaker 2: sure that we never killed you, and you make sure
Speaker 2: that they never banish me. Right. But then he will
Speaker 2: never keep the money at the end. That's I don't
Speaker 2: know how.
Speaker 3: That would work at the end, because you can't you
Speaker 3: can't finish until you all decide to finish, and there's
Speaker 3: not one trader les.
Speaker 1: Essentially he train on somebody else he becomes. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's basically offering to become a trader. Like I wonder
Speaker 1: if they would just say okay at a certain point
Speaker 1: in order for the game to just make your entry,
Speaker 1: you're just one of the traders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But didn't answer her question, though it has it could.
Speaker 3: Did the rules allow a trader and a faithful to
Speaker 3: work together?
Speaker 2: And apparently they.
Speaker 3: Do because it didn't dip him from doing but no,
Speaker 3: but if she says, yes, you got it, and I
Speaker 3: love the way he said it, He's like, I'll protect
Speaker 3: you around the table, you protect me in the turret.
Speaker 3: And she's like, what, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: What that's crazy, that's saying, Yeah, it's so bad. I'm faithful,
Speaker 3: I'm faithful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1: Then we get to the round table, where Colton has
Speaker 1: called out for being reckless, which he is, which he is,
Speaker 1: he admits yep. He says I'm playing recklessly and are
Speaker 1: are forcefully I think is what he said.
Speaker 2: Anyway, He he.
Speaker 1: Basically defends his gameplay and understands why there's somewhat of
Speaker 1: a target on his back, but he doesn't really apologize
Speaker 1: for how he's playing. And then he he he goes
Speaker 1: right after Lisa, and you know, I think, like I
Speaker 1: think that the team. It's it's so hard because of
Speaker 1: course we know she's a trader, but I really feel
Speaker 1: like they all just got hooked on Ron and then
Speaker 1: got completely emotionally turned when Ron took the time to
Speaker 1: say how much.
Speaker 2: He liked each of the kind of move where he's like,
Speaker 2: I just want to say out so, you know, but
Speaker 2: I just love that. They were all like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: maybe we're not doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, because you have no evidence and
Speaker 1: this guy has no All he can do is defend,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, the thing that the moment
Speaker 1: that was really interesting was then he pointed out to
Speaker 1: Colton the Colton's been wrong more than him.
Speaker 3: Yes, and everybody's forgiven Colton one hundred times was wrong.
Speaker 3: Everybody's wrong, but for some reason they cannot get over
Speaker 3: Ron being wrong the first night.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's it's a really good point.
Speaker 1: And Colton doesn't really have a defense except you know,
Speaker 1: and and what the way Ron put it, he's like
Speaker 1: Michael because people just didn't like him. So it felt
Speaker 1: like they had done the right thing, but it actually
Speaker 1: played the game wrong and missed an opportunity to banish
Speaker 1: a real trader. And so that's that weird thing that
Speaker 1: the Michael situation has inserted to this game, is that
Speaker 1: they all feel like Colton accomplished something when he did
Speaker 1: no Actually the opposite like Harper game.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: And also that shows you the power that Colton really
Speaker 3: does wield in that this was the first time anyone
Speaker 3: said Lisa's name at the table, the first time and
Speaker 3: it was just thrown out and she still ended up
Speaker 3: getting like five votes. Yeah almost, as meant yeah almost
Speaker 3: for the first time anyone said his name. Coulton said
Speaker 3: her name once and almost half the people voted for her.
Speaker 3: Was like, wow, that was quick.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So but the way he said it too, I love
Speaker 3: I loved I loved Ron at this round table where
Speaker 3: he did where he literally said Colton said something, He's like,
Speaker 3: you've missed more than I have. But we didn't like Michael,
Speaker 3: so that one didn't count. So did you have any
Speaker 3: other questions? Yep, And then Colton just kept his mouth
Speaker 3: like okay, I'll just shut up now.
Speaker 2: It was great. Yeah. I wanted to see that Ron more. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they even said a bunch of me.
Speaker 3: Said, look, Ron, I'm sorry, I'm not even sure if
Speaker 3: it's you or not, but what we've been thinking it
Speaker 3: to you for so long now, we need you to
Speaker 3: stand in the circle and just tell us we need
Speaker 3: to remove the idea that you could be from the game,
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, that's kind of not fair, but
Speaker 3: I also get it right.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, vote went around and now it was
Speaker 1: all kind of split like everyone had been.
Speaker 2: You know, there's the group of.
Speaker 1: Eight kind of going for Colton, maybe a big Ron,
Speaker 1: you know, contingency, and then suddenly Lisa's name was out there,
Speaker 1: and so's it. Kind of at this I really didn't
Speaker 1: know what to expect. I thought maybe Lisa was going.
Speaker 2: On me too. I thought it.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe he got her. I thought maybe he
Speaker 3: pulled the rabbit out of his hat and he got her.
Speaker 1: So what what do you think Rob was thinking at
Speaker 1: this point that he that he should vote for Lisa
Speaker 1: because she's probably going to get out, or that he
Speaker 1: should vote for Lisa, vote for Lisa knowing that it's
Speaker 1: probably still going to be Ron or maybe even Colton,
Speaker 1: and that it would help him in the long term
Speaker 1: just look good to have voted for her.
Speaker 3: I think there's a third possibility, which is one you
Speaker 3: touched on earlier, which is the absolute possibility that he
Speaker 3: just played badly tonight, really liked Ron, really liked Colton,
Speaker 3: and just couldn't vote for either one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's I don't know which one it is. I'd like
Speaker 3: to think it's probably a little bit of each because
Speaker 3: it is good for him in the long run with
Speaker 3: the faithfuls, because he's like, well, yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 3: I voted for Lisa that night.
Speaker 2: I didn't vote for Ron, you know. So yeah, the reason,
Speaker 2: the reason, I don't think, the reason.
Speaker 1: I'm here here's the thing that we need to think
Speaker 1: back on now.
Speaker 2: He knew that they had to do a murder in
Speaker 2: playing sight tonight.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right beforehand, because he knew they already knew,
Speaker 3: So he knew that she had to do a murder
Speaker 3: and plane sight with her amulet. So I kind of
Speaker 3: think maybe he thought she was actually going to get
Speaker 3: voted out and he didn't want to have to do
Speaker 3: the murder and plane sight, and he knew that if
Speaker 3: she got voted out that they probably they would lose it.
Speaker 3: And what would happen, I don't know, transfer to somebody,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, like a mythical power.
Speaker 1: But even even if it transferred, it would go to
Speaker 1: canvas because like they you know, like they say, he
Speaker 1: would be suspicious to be wearing something like that. I
Speaker 1: think although he's worn some pretty over the top wardrobe things.
Speaker 3: So I think he should he should have come down
Speaker 3: wearing just that.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: It's just the good luck having somebody to touch that
Speaker 3: where you've placed it.
Speaker 2: If we have to remember, he knows that they have
Speaker 2: to do a murder and plane sight, so I totally
Speaker 2: forgot about that. You're right, So he's.
Speaker 1: Really screwing her ability. And and they had planned a
Speaker 1: murder Colton, so he knows that they're going to murder
Speaker 1: Colton tonight, so he could have just written Colton's name down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have gotten two people out. Well they did.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, they got
Speaker 2: they got a faithful out. They did.
Speaker 3: The Traders are still winning, but at the cost of
Speaker 3: maybe they're a little fractured.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to have a hard time coming back
Speaker 1: from that because Lisa's is clearly not the most like stable, Yeah,
Speaker 1: an emotional She's Lisa can Renna.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be around that much
Speaker 3: longer anyway, though, I really don't really all right.
Speaker 1: Well, the final vote was Mark, who I really didn't
Speaker 1: know where this was going to go, but he wrote
Speaker 1: it for Ron which.
Speaker 2: Seems like just sort of sticking with the original status quo.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he was. I was hoping he
Speaker 2: was going to get up, maybe do a very quick
Speaker 2: sessay of some point of some type, hold his frame, yeah,
Speaker 2: and go from there once again, place around the table.
Speaker 2: Faithful's really screwed it up again? Really yep, again just
Speaker 2: not not playing well. No is it always like this
Speaker 2: in the beginning, I don't remember. See.
Speaker 3: What was the interesting thing about last season was that
Speaker 3: Boston Rob was a trader and he had no problem
Speaker 3: throwing other traders. He was getting other traders kicked off too,
Speaker 3: so it was like, yeah, he was getting it was
Speaker 3: It was pretty amazing how who was getting thrown out,
Speaker 3: And it was like turning on other traders and going,
Speaker 3: now you're the trader. I know you're a trader, and
Speaker 3: then people would believe him like Colton, and then they'd
Speaker 3: be gone. So that's why I said, wait till the
Speaker 3: traders start turning on each other.
Speaker 2: And that might have just started tonight because all you
Speaker 2: need is Lisa and but then how do they decide
Speaker 2: to murder? They just like between they just vote like
Speaker 2: majority rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was just majority and they can't murder
Speaker 1: each other, right, but they can get each other banned.
Speaker 1: They can get each other banished. Yeah, so they would
Speaker 1: be like meeting in the turret and just like yelling
Speaker 1: at each other.
Speaker 2: Or not talking. Yeah, wow, it was. It was wild.
Speaker 3: And you know that's gonna happen because the next time
Speaker 3: we first of all balls you to have that conversation
Speaker 3: in the kitchen with the three traders together, like throwing
Speaker 3: stuff at each other and things like that. I know,
Speaker 3: anybody walks by and you're screwed. They got all three
Speaker 3: of you. So yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 2: Ron Ron is voted out.
Speaker 1: Ron reveals that he's a faithful and then they have
Speaker 1: this banquet and then we get the flashback explaining that
Speaker 1: this whole murder and plane sight.
Speaker 2: I love this, by the way, it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: I love that because they've never done this, right they
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever said that. They said they've
Speaker 1: never done this before where they have like a piece
Speaker 1: of jewelry it's poisoned.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so on brand and cool, and they do have
Speaker 1: a banquet. I just and yeah, super clever. But I
Speaker 1: would again, this would be like even more of a
Speaker 1: nightmare having to get somebody to physically touch an object
Speaker 1: in the course of a normal One of my one.
Speaker 3: Of my favorite fantasy novels ever, there's one of the
Speaker 3: characters is just a professional poisoner and he says to somebody,
Speaker 3: he's like, watch watch how I take this guy out
Speaker 3: tonight around it inner table And they're sitting around the
Speaker 3: table and he's thirty feet from the guy and the
Speaker 3: guy falls over dead and they go, how did you
Speaker 3: do that? He goes, oh, I knew he was gonna sit.
Speaker 3: I poisonedou spoon three days ago.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And it's like that kind of thing where it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I love this, all the intrigue and everything.
Speaker 2: It's so cool. I can't wait to see how they're
Speaker 2: going to do it.
Speaker 3: And the outfits in the previews, yeah look fabulous.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, so cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Candice, Lisa Rob have a little trader how Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess even before that, Colton comes right up to
Speaker 1: Lisa and they kind of have it out and Colton
Speaker 1: tries to like give her a compliment and say like
Speaker 1: kind of say for better or worse, like, look, I'm
Speaker 1: just playing against playing the game and your personality has changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then she's like, no, I'm not a housewife. You
Speaker 1: want me to housewife it up, I'll housewife it up.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, bad, just looks bad.
Speaker 2: It was bad? Yeah, no, and he's just thank fair.
Speaker 1: There are people who take this stuff so personally that
Speaker 1: aren't traders, do you know what I mean? Like Jams
Speaker 1: taking it all emotionally in personally, So maybe it's believable
Speaker 1: that she's that personal about it.
Speaker 2: I I see through it though, like I mean, I
Speaker 2: just don't again, why do we see through it?
Speaker 3: I think I think we I wonder if we see
Speaker 3: through it because it's bad, or we see through it
Speaker 3: because we know so you know, who knows?
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, such a good show.
Speaker 1: Well, Rob gives his little defense that it's the long
Speaker 1: term game that he's playing and that he didn't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, vote against people that he had said he trusted.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if anybody knew that he trusted
Speaker 1: Ron because he only had that private chess conversation.
Speaker 2: But he said that around the table.
Speaker 3: He's like, Ron, but you and I've talked, I've asked
Speaker 3: you questions right to your face. But tell me, why
Speaker 3: did you have to say that?
Speaker 2: Weird? Because he wanted Ron to stay.
Speaker 3: He truly wanted Ron to stay, So he was trying
Speaker 3: to save Ron there at the end by saying.
Speaker 2: Because then Ron would be in his side for the
Speaker 2: rest of the game. Yeah. That, and he also just
Speaker 2: flat out liked Ron. I think he just liked Yep.
Speaker 3: This is why as an assassin, you can never let
Speaker 3: your emotions get get the better of you.
Speaker 2: My friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, all right, all right, Well before we go
Speaker 3: any farther, as you know, uh, as well as being
Speaker 3: a dance historian and scholar, I am also a history
Speaker 3: of famous traders from throughout the world.
Speaker 2: Sure you're you're aware? Did you get a degree in this?
Speaker 2: Is this something you like? An undergrad? It's an undergrad.
Speaker 2: It's an undergrad. Yeah, so we are the new Segond
Speaker 2: like you just send away an email. It was an
Speaker 2: actual male but course courses. Well my email course.
Speaker 3: Technically finished the entire courttch okay, but I read the
Speaker 3: pack at the outside of the packet, so that's all
Speaker 3: that really matters. But we are, of course calling this
Speaker 3: Will's history of traders and stuff that might have traded
Speaker 3: in times and the things.
Speaker 2: I'm still working on it. I don't have the entire things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can maybe rhyme to those you know stuff
Speaker 1: or just come up with the words that aren't just
Speaker 1: you know householders.
Speaker 2: You're you're talking like you're the big music guy. I
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Today's famous trader is somebody called La Malinche.
Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, from the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: La Malinche, also known as Dona Marina, was born to
Speaker 3: an Aztec chieftain and his mistress in the sixteenth century.
Speaker 3: After her father died and the mistress remarried, Marino was
Speaker 3: sold into slavery, and when the Spanish conquistadors arrived in
Speaker 3: the Western hemisphere, she became a cortizon of the Spanish
Speaker 3: leader Cortes himself. Here her knowledge of the indigenous culture
Speaker 3: proved invaluable in helping the Spanish defeat the Aztecs, and
Speaker 3: today she is still despised by the Mexicans as a
Speaker 3: turncoat who deceived her people for money and power.
Speaker 2: She is today's favorit on.
Speaker 1: So she started off by being sold into slavery by
Speaker 1: her own people, though.
Speaker 3: Again the course didn't cover the whole thing. But yes,
Speaker 3: I believe so. No, she was, Yes, she was the
Speaker 3: It seems like if she's sold into slavery and then
Speaker 3: turned by.
Speaker 2: The well yeah, I mean still still still a trader
Speaker 2: in Mexico, my friend. Wow, you're right, you work on
Speaker 2: the song. Okay, come hold up, Maybe if you wear
Speaker 2: the hood while you do it, it's a great idea.
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of Pod meets Tworld. Alliances
Speaker 2: were tested, trust, misplace, and once again we're left with
Speaker 2: the cliffhanger. Join us next time.
Speaker 1: As we continue our journey through season four of Traders,
Speaker 1: a show in which, as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play,
Speaker 1: fair is foul and foul is fair.
Speaker 2: God I loved Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, that's the Scottish player.