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Speaker 1: John Oshan, Brian Sexton, Ashland Sullivan out today. We've got

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Speaker 1: John has the question of the day. Happy day after Easter? Guys,

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Speaker 1: what's up? I had a wonderful easter. Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: and I'll get us go on today. Phase one starts

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Speaker 1: now April nineteen. Workouts and small groups will be allowed,

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Speaker 1: certain objective information to the on field officials. Now, this

429
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Speaker 1: is different from the sky Judge thing where they have

430
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Speaker 1: full autonomy, which is also one of the proposals this year,

431
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Speaker 1: but they can help with non judgment calls in and

432
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Speaker 1: out of bounds, catch, no catch. I'm not a fan

433
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Speaker 1: of taking every call away from on field officials. I

434
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Speaker 1: also don't want robots calling balls and strikes and baseball

435
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: that's a different sport altogether. I'm still of the maybe

436
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Speaker 1: I'm old school, but human error is a part of

437
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Speaker 1: sports five World Series. Don Denkinger Game six first, das

438
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Speaker 1: Dane Org Right. Um, you go back and you look

439
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: at the tape and he's out and and the Cardinals

440
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Speaker 1: win this with the World Series. In Game six he

441
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Speaker 1: was out, Um, and Denkonser screwed it up. The Cardinals

442
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: melted down, The Royals went on to win the series. Right,

443
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Speaker 1: Um didn't end the world right? I mean St. Louis

444
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Speaker 1: would go on to win a couple more championships. Um.

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Speaker 1: That That to me was the ultimate human error. And

446
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Speaker 1: we all live with it. Now, there's outrage about it.

447
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: With social media, the outrage grows and it it never dies.

448
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I'd hate to think about what Don Denkinger's life might

449
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Speaker 1: have been like if there had been a Twitter or

450
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Speaker 1: in a social media asked Bill Buckner what his life

451
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Speaker 1: it's part of the human ex experience that there is

452
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Speaker 1: up and down in mistake. I you you know, well,

453
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Speaker 1: how about how about the Saints, right, I mean the

454
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Speaker 1: play two years ago with Nickel Robie coleman us inference. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, I mean it's but the world

456
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: kept moving. They changed the rule for a year though,

457
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Speaker 1: but the Saints have still been a they were a

458
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: championship caliber program. The world kept spinning. Um. I like

459
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of it. I don't like. I think

460
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Speaker 1: we have to have the human element in it. And

461
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me at all. We all live with it.

462
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: It's sport, it's the toy department. Let's move on. They're

463
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Speaker 1: trying to make this like a video game where there

464
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Speaker 1: is no mistake at all and no one has to

465
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Speaker 1: deal with any tragedy or or heartbreak in the game.

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Speaker 1: It happens as the poor kids at u c l

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Speaker 1: A right with the shot that went in. I mean,

468
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Speaker 1: they think they're going to do to two overtimes, and

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Speaker 1: then that kid hits that miracle shot and they live

470
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Speaker 1: with it. You go on that that's what makes sports

471
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Speaker 1: so compelling is that you could lose. We think, John,

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Speaker 1: I've really don't like j K numbers thing. Oh I'm

473
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Speaker 1: kind of with you on this, but go ahead, get

474
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Speaker 1: off my lawn, Brian. You like the tradition have a number.

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Speaker 1: You don't need dbs wearing eleven. You don't need dvs

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Speaker 1: wearing eight. Where twenty two? Uh? Within out right, fine,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. They put these in a long time ago

478
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Speaker 1: for a reason so that people watching the game, if

479
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Speaker 1: if they didn't necessarily know the player's name on the back,

480
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Speaker 1: you could see. But if a guy was wearing fifty

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Speaker 1: fifty nine or what he was a linebacker, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to go with it. I don't need

483
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Speaker 1: my quarterback. We're in just I don't think you can obviously,

484
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Speaker 1: but no, have them pick a number, stay in the lane.

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00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: It's fine. I guess the issue that the Chiefs brought

486
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Speaker 1: this up because they had so many players play last

487
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: year that they were out of numbers for defensive backs.

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Speaker 1: So I think they had to get the league to say, hey,

489
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Speaker 1: you can have a number that's out of place. So

490
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: their proposal is to expand the roster the numbers. Anyway,

491
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Speaker 1: Jusillery like, Okay, if you've run out of numbers, then

492
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Speaker 1: you can go into this other area. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what happened last year. Why don't you just make that

494
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Speaker 1: the rule. That's fine now and keep zero out of

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Speaker 1: the game. Please? They put that in college football. That's

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Speaker 1: just the thing. I know. Moto wore double zero. Okay,

497
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Speaker 1: I like the double zero. I guess I'd leave that retired,

498
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: just because those only two guys that can think of

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Speaker 1: it were on a regular basis. What number did George

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Speaker 1: blandawar when he was forty six years old word all

501
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Speaker 1: the way through? Huh? I wish I cared enough about it.

502
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I just alright, we're a number.

503
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Life goes on, some sun will rise in the east.

504
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Brian asked us something. Well, uh, you know, last week

505
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: when there was that that human cry out of out

506
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Speaker 1: of Washington with the CDC and the President talking about

507
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Speaker 1: you know, keep wearing masks and and and states should

508
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Speaker 1: go back to it, I thought, are we gonna stay virtual?

509
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Speaker 1: Um Our, what we do for a living is based

510
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Speaker 1: on relationships, and relationships aren't formed in a virtual world.

511
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Speaker 1: You just you can't. And I had a guy um

512
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Speaker 1: at the gym over the weekend say to me, or

513
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: last week, say to me Hey, I you know I

514
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: met Jay Gruden And I said, well, I never did

515
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: get to meet Jake Gruden, right because we were in

516
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: quarantine when he arrived, and I only met him virtually, right,

517
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: and the guys really and he said, it's hard to

518
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Speaker 1: do your job when it absolutely And that's my point is,

519
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Speaker 1: if we're staying virtual, it has a dramatic impact. I

520
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: haven't met Urban Mari yet, right. I know a couple

521
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: of coaches, so I've seen a couple of the coaches.

522
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Speaker 1: But this whole business is based on human interaction, kind

523
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Speaker 1: of like we're talking earlier, the human error side if

524
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: things with sport um. It's the relationships that make this

525
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: a rich business to get into and stay and you

526
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: know people they're here and they move on, and you

527
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: can pick up the phone and call someone in Minnesota

528
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles and get a perspective on what's going

529
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Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville. And and I have I have long

530
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Speaker 1: held to the relationships that I've made in twenty eight

531
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Speaker 1: years of doing this. Just walked in this morning and

532
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: there's a j can you know who I hadn't seen anyway.

533
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: He goes, hey, Brian, you know he's in his truck,

534
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's a guy that I like. I've

535
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Speaker 1: told his story. I know about his sister and his

536
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Speaker 1: dad and his affinity for cats, but that by spending

537
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Speaker 1: time with him in the locker room, and I exactly,

538
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Speaker 1: And I keep hearing that the locker room is going

539
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: to be closed in one I don't know if they

540
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: know that yet, but I guess what I'm saying is,

541
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Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about how this changes the

542
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: way that you do your jobs? Uh, it's not good.

543
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, in the short term, the way I do

544
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Speaker 1: my job. Anyway you guys do your job. You can

545
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: get through it. You can do a job. You can

546
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: provide some insight to the fans, you can give them content.

547
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I can get a sound bite out of what we have.

548
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: But it's certainly not as uh, it's certainly not as rich.

549
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I told I had a own podcast with

550
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: Darryl Bevil this week, and we conducted it last Thursday,

551
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: and and Darryl is really good in interviews. But I

552
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of told him before and after and we both

553
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of laughed about it. I was like, Hey, I

554
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this, but it's still a weird time

555
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: because he's here. I've talked to him once face to face.

556
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Ordinarily i'd have been doing that oz own podcast either

557
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: sitting here or you know, probably here, but we'd have

558
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: had five or ten minutes beforehand to sit and talk

559
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: face to face and I get to know each other

560
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. Good for me, bad for him on

561
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: that level. But overall that's a or a way of

562
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: doing business. You can get through it. But I think

563
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: we bring a better product to the fans when we're

564
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: face to face with people. Good question. Well, I think

565
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: you'd agree, Thank you. I think you'd agree that whatever

566
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: whoever is listening to this, whatever you do for a living,

567
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: when you get up every morning, you want to do

568
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: your best, right. You want to bring the best JP

569
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: in here to do this, just like John does. Well maybe,

570
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: but you know Bob who's listening, who is a plumber,

571
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: wants to do his best. Everyone does. It's frustrating when

572
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: you feel like you could do better, and and and

573
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: for you and I. In the broadcast medium, especially with

574
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: the microphone off. It's not quite the same for the

575
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: writers because they're you know, the mics are always off.

576
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: But you can grab a guy off to the side

577
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: and ask for a little perspective. A j many times

578
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: has told me, hey, you know, the offensive line didn't

579
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: play as bad as people are saying, and here's why.

580
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: And I'd say to him, hey, can I use that?

581
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, you can use it. Right, But

582
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: if the microphone's on, he's thinking about every word he says,

583
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: because in the social media world, nothing ever dies. Will

584
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: you get a player who is going to give you

585
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: something honest and truthful that you wouldn't get in a

586
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: group setting. I missed that. I missed the ability to

587
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: get to know someone that's important to me. John, will

588
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: you take us on home with everyone asked today? I'm

589
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: looking forward to this, by the way, into the microphone

590
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: of gonzagas shot um and it could be Jaguars or

591
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: otherwise or both. What's the best finished to a game

592
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: that you've ever covered? J P Man, This is this

593
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: is a tough one. I had to think about this.

594
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: There's been so many games in different the first is

595
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: there a Jaguars game that you consider well to cover?

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Speaker 1: You know, the it takes a lot, It's got to

597
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: be a great finish, you know. It wasn't like coming

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00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: down to field goals every week. You know, they were

599
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: winning games, um the way the Steelers playoff game and

600
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: was kind of tight at the end. It wasn't like

601
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Speaker 1: a field goal at the end, So that that might

602
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Speaker 1: be the closest one since I've worked here. I think

603
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: that you're the only one I think i've since you've

604
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: been here. Is the Cecil Shorts play against Indy. Yeah,

605
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: sort of felt like a finish and then they had

606
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Speaker 1: to bat away a hail Mary at the end of

607
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: that finished, but it was closed. Yeah, I mean they

608
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: scored within two minutes to go and basically and then

609
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: that that's probably right there too. And then there was

610
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Week one of that season as well in Minneapolis, Jaguars

611
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Speaker 1: score a touchdown Gabta Shorts and then they had a

612
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Speaker 1: field goal to go over time and then hit another

613
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: field goal and that was Adrian Peterson's first game back.

614
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: It's probably a good one. But I'm going to go

615
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: back to my college days working with CBS Sports. I

616
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: was a spotter in the booth for a number of

617
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Speaker 1: years for Vernon Alonquist and we did so many big

618
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: time games, right, So just it was the game of

619
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: the week, I was thinking about it and I had

620
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Speaker 1: to go back to two thousand and six, and this

621
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Speaker 1: is at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock, Arkansas, the

622
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Speaker 1: day after Thanksgiving. LS you number nine, Arkansas number five,

623
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Speaker 1: and there were three. It's the fourth quarter and there

624
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: were three touchdowns scored in a forty five second span

625
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. JaMarcus Russell to early do set

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Speaker 1: for a score. Then the ensuing drive Darren McFadden in

627
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: the wild Hog goes eighty yards for the first play touchdown,

628
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: ensuing kickoff trendon holiday ninety two yard touchdown return for

629
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Speaker 1: l s U. That ensuing kickoff Felix Jones goes sixty

630
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Speaker 1: two yards and gets caught from behind and later scores

631
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Speaker 1: a touchdown. Arkansas was like, that was the most exciting

632
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: five minutes of football I think I've ever seen. And

633
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: they were still down by five. They never got over

634
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: the top, and um, you know LSU ended up winning

635
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: that game, but it was like bedlam at War Memorial Stadium,

636
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: fifty five thousand people. That that was and then oh

637
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: seven Florida L s U. I could go on and on,

638
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: but that that was the one I picked out just immediately.

639
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: We think, so, um, A couple of thoughts for the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars I mean ninety six, Morton's miss was a dramatic

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Speaker 1: ending because you know, the Jaguars said they had won

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Speaker 1: four in a row and they needed to beat the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the lowly Falcons, right, And they came in with three

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Speaker 1: wins on the season, and and it was Bobby a

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Speaker 1: Bear and they were just dragging their butt up and

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Speaker 1: down the field. But they they had Ironhead Hayward as

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Speaker 1: the running back and he was pounding the Jaguars that day,

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Speaker 1: and they were on the verge of losing. And and

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Speaker 1: we knew because Kansas City had lost that if the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars would win that game, they were going into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you know. And and from four and seven to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the city was just it was it was.

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Speaker 1: It was tinder ready to be lit. And Morton Mrs.

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Speaker 1: In the city went nuts. And of course everyone remembers

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Speaker 1: that that well, if you don't look it up, that

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Speaker 1: the playoff front in ninety six um into a two

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Speaker 1: thousand ten. We had Scobee with the fifty nine yard

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Speaker 1: field goal to beat the Colts, and that was dramatic.

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Speaker 1: And a little bit later that season, you had David

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Speaker 1: Garrard throwing to Mike Thomas. Yeah right, um, and that

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Speaker 1: was still remember that. It believable walker it back. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: my mom heard that and she thought I actually said that.

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Speaker 1: I called Golic and Greenberg and gave it to him

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Speaker 1: on that one. That was fun though. Um, those were

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Speaker 1: great moments in Jaguars history, you know, because it was

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Speaker 1: basketball and I watched it on Saturday night. It took

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Speaker 1: me back to the East Regional final in You remember

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Speaker 1: Scottie Barrell, who at the time was the first man

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Speaker 1: to ever be drafted in the first round of two

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Speaker 1: major sports because he was drafted from Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: as well as in the NBA, and Clemson had him

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Speaker 1: on the ropes. I mean there's one second left and

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Speaker 1: Clemson had hit a shot, and so Barrell threw a

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Speaker 1: court link paths I mean literally the length of the

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Speaker 1: courts to take George, who caught it facing the sideline,

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Speaker 1: turned and just threw up a blind three point shot

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Speaker 1: to win. And until this shot on Saturday night, that

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Speaker 1: play tate George's three point shot at the end of

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Speaker 1: that game to be Clemson in was look it up, folks,

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Speaker 1: because of YouTube, you can enjoy it again. It was

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Speaker 1: It was to me it was more dramatic because you

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Speaker 1: had to go the length of the Courton one freaking second.

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Speaker 1: They had three point three seconds on Saturday Night, John,

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Speaker 1: what's yours? I'm gonna amend mine, but go ahead. Um well,

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Speaker 1: Jaguars wise. For some reason, when I was thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: I guess I assumed Morton's missed so much that I

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Speaker 1: still go back to the Bill Cower play. It was

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Speaker 1: week three and nine. Yeah, there was something about that finish.

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Speaker 1: There was somehow more exciting than the Morton miss, maybe

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Speaker 1: because it was the Morton miss was a miss. Certainly

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Speaker 1: the Morton was the most meaningful finished, but the most

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Speaker 1: bizarre finished was seeing the block kick and then Chris

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Speaker 1: you know, uh so that's in there for me. Um.

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Speaker 1: Overall the best finish I ever covered, uh first year

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Speaker 1: covering the University of Florida, this is uh any warful

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Speaker 1: to Chris Doring with three seconds left beats Kentucky at

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Speaker 1: Kentucky in a game that it was a different era.

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Speaker 1: Then it was broadcast locally here on SEC television, but

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Speaker 1: now that game would be seen by pretty much everybody. Um,

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Speaker 1: a Gator fan saw it. But it was really the

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Speaker 1: first game of Danny Warfel being Danny Warfel, and they

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Speaker 1: had trailed. I think they had thrown seven interceptions in

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Speaker 1: the game, Florida, and then I war Full hit Storing

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Speaker 1: with like a thirty five yard touchdown past with three

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Speaker 1: seconds left, and it made Mick Huber's career and the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. So that's the most memorable finish of any

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Speaker 1: game I've ever covered. But I would go with Chris

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Speaker 1: Hudson for Jaguars. I'm amending mine, and I'm going back

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Speaker 1: to the Florida LSU rivalry. I mentioned it earlier. Seven

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Speaker 1: l s u um was number one in the country,

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Speaker 1: Florida's number nine. They had lost the week before in

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Speaker 1: Florida led by ten three different times in the game,

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Speaker 1: including going to the fourth quarter. L s U was

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Speaker 1: five for five on fourth down conversions in the game.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Hester scored on a two yard touchdown run with

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Speaker 1: just over a minute left. Place erupts. It's prime time CBS,

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Speaker 1: huge game. And that was the Tebow cell phone game.

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Speaker 1: They had gotten Tebow cellphone that week. L s U people,

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Speaker 1: so he had scored, he had a huge game. All

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Speaker 1: that happened in the same game. But this year, the

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Speaker 1: fog Bowl L s U at number six Florida. I

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Speaker 1: called the game on touchdown radio. You couldn't see the

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Speaker 1: right end zone. And L s U kicked a field

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Speaker 1: goal fifty seven yarder to take the lead with thirty

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Speaker 1: seconds left. And then McPherson missed one for Florida with

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Speaker 1: no time left from one and that was and and

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Speaker 1: there was a shoe thrown in the game. Marca Wilson

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Speaker 1: threw the shoe on the field goal drive for L

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Speaker 1: s U. They got an unsports and light kept the

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Speaker 1: drive alive. They ended up winning the game. That's probably it.

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Speaker 1: I amended mine. And so apparently you weren't at the

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Speaker 1: kick six game. I was not. I was in my

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Speaker 1: apartment in Riverside in disbelief. That is that there's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be one that that beats. It brings to mind

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Speaker 1: something you're old enough to have watched, and as an enthusiast,

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Speaker 1: you're old enough to know the great Jim McKay and

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Speaker 1: the wide world of sports on Saturday afternoons, the thrill

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Speaker 1: of victory in the agony of defeat. It's the human condition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I always remember that, the guy falling down the hill,

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Speaker 1: the agony of the thrill of victory and the agony

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Speaker 1: of the thing. I remember to subscribe to The official

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Podcast Network is on Apple, it Tunes, Spotify, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Give us comments and a

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Speaker 1: five star rating, and that's it for everyone asked, and

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