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Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: you'll access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, and 11 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. Have an amazing 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: show for everybody today. We have Crystal. 16 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Indeed, we do many very interesting actually stories in the 17 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: show today. So we're going to start off with Trump 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: issuing quite a hawkish statement. You might say it israel 19 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: first statement on true social will break down that for you. 20 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: I've also got a Hamas response to that true social statement. 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: We've got some media reactions pulled for you after the 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden pardon that I think you may enjoy. 23 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: We certainly did. 24 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: We've also got some details worry about how retailers are 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: planning to respond to potential Trump tariffs, as well as 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: some very troubling indicators about the state of the housing 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: market and just how difficult it is to get your 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: foot on that initial first home buyer ladder. So break 29 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: that down for you something we always want to keep 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: our eye on. Saga and I get and get into 31 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: this debate about the UK Assisted Dying Bill. Very interesting 32 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: and fraught conversation that has been going on worldwide. AOC 33 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: is being floated for president. 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: What do we think of that idea? 35 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: And excited to have jenk Youeger join me here in 36 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: the studio this morning to talk about how to approach 37 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: this Trump administration this time around. So that should be 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: a good conversation. I always enjoy talking to Jank. 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be fun, and he will be 40 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: in studio to talk with Crystal. It's always going to 41 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: be exciting. So before we get to that, thank you 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: to all of our premium subscribers who submitted questions. As 43 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: we said, Crystal's going to be sitting down with John 44 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Favreau for a future conversation about the Democratic Party. You 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: guys submitted amazing questions that were extremely helpful, and we're 46 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: actually going to ask John some of those in the interviews. 47 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: That's really excited. 48 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, genuinely, guys, I read through all the questions last night, 49 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: and you guys impressed the hell out of me. I 50 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: was like, maybe I should just outsource this entire because genuinely, 51 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: really smart, thoughtful question So I'm excited to talk to him. 52 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 3: Should be really. 53 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Very interesting, and it's going to be released early for 54 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: our premium subscribers. You guys are gonna have for success 55 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: to that, and it'll come out a little bit later 56 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: for everybody else. But yeah, we're really excited, and thank 57 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: you to all of our premium sscarbs. Make sure you 58 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: sign up for future stuff like that. You guys can 59 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: submit questions continually as we continue Big Book, Big Book, 60 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: Big Book, Big Guests. 61 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 4: That's a tyfficult one here for the jet lag brain. 62 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: I was going to say, Sagar is still startling jet leg. Yeah, 63 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: I was open the Coffee Wonder. 64 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: One to three am. It's an interesting hour. I don't 65 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: recommend being awake for Yeah, it is so brutal. 66 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: So this is probably the toughest jet leg really well, 67 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's the it's the farthest I've ever traveled. 68 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: I was going to say, is that is it the 69 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: most extreme? 70 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I think so yeah. I mean I can't even think 71 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: what's another country that would be even more so? I think, 72 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: what is Australia? We'll check later. 73 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we just actually looked. I think it's 74 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: like sixteen. I don't know, it's something like that, but anyway, comparable. Yeah, 75 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean India I think was my furtherest and what 76 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: is that twelve or third? 77 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: That's about eleven and a half twelve, It depends. 78 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just remember being in the middle of 79 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: the day and like that feeling of there is no 80 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: way I'm gonna make it to eight pm, nine pm, 81 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: like it's not happening. 82 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: So anyway, but we're glad you're back. 83 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 5: Thank you. 84 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: Also, last thing before we jumping into the show, if 85 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: you were not able to become a premium subscriber, which 86 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: we totally get, if you could help us out by liking, 87 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: sharing the leaving us, you know, a five star. 88 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: Review on the podcast. 89 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: All of those things really really help out the show 90 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: a lot. As Soccer mentioned yesterday, you know, of we 91 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: don't do any marketing promotion. It's all word of mouth, 92 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: and you guys are like the essential part of that. 93 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: So if you can help us out there, we really 94 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: appreciate it. All right, let's go and jump into what 95 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: Trump had to say on True Social about Israel and 96 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: Gaza and Hamas and the hostages. Put this up on 97 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: the screen, so he says, everybody is talking about the 98 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanly and against 99 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: the will of the entire world in the Middle least. 100 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: But it's all talk and no action. Okay. Please let 101 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: this truth serve. 102 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: To represent that if the hostages are not released prior 103 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: to January twentieth, twenty twenty five, the date that I 104 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: probably assume office, there will be in all caps, all 105 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: hell to pay in the Middle East and for those 106 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity, those responsible 107 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in 108 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: the long and storied history of the United States of America. 109 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: And an all cap release the hostages. Now we now 110 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: have a response from Hamas from Jeremy Scahill tweeted this 111 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: out and I'll just read it to you, guys. We 112 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: didn't have time to make an an element for it. 113 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: They say the Hamas Political Bureau Number one. Since the 114 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: beginning of this genocide, Hamas has publicly announced and been 115 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: active in seeking permanent ceasefire to enny Israeli aggression against 116 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: our people, a deal which would have included a full 117 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: prisoner's exchange. 118 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: Two. 119 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: However, Netanyahu has sabotaged all these attempts. At many times, 120 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: we were extremely close to signing on a deal, but 121 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: due to his savage act and decisions, these deals broke down. 122 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Three. 123 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: Therefore, Hamas understands that Trump's message is actually directed first 124 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: towards Netanyahu and his government. They need to end their 125 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: evil game by using negotiations as a cover for their 126 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: personal political ideological interests. For Hamas is committed to immediately 127 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: implementing the Security Council Resolution two seven three five and 128 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: the deals struck on July second, twenty twenty four, that's 129 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: the one that Biden talked about. We are looking forward 130 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: to the daytime seeing an end of this genocide against 131 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: our people, their free returned back to their homes all 132 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: over the Gaza Strip, and our prisoners from both sides 133 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: freed and enjoying living against amongst their families again. And 134 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: number six, our people are eager to secure a better 135 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: future for their children, full of hope, dignity, and prosperity. 136 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: Of course, I mean the absurdity of Trump's statement, Sager 137 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: is as if violence against Hamas has. 138 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: Not yet been tried. 139 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: And you know, he really positioned himself and sent out 140 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: a lot of indicators to the Muslim American, Arab American 141 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: and young community in America that he would be more 142 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: you know, amenable to piece, that he would be less 143 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: hawkish in this region. There was always very little reason 144 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: to believe that it would actually be the case. This 145 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: statement certainly flies in the face of that outreach. But 146 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: Jeremy made an important point as well in this Twitter thread. 147 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: Apparently ceasefire negotiations have restarted, and so he interpreted this 148 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: as a way for Trump to try to claim credit. Yes, 149 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: that's exactly, Oh if those ceasefire negotiations ultimately bear some 150 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: sort of fruit. 151 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: I think Trump is a student of history, and one 152 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: of the things that Republicans always love to hold on 153 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: to is the Iranian hostage crisis. And so in nineteen 154 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: eighty a lot of people forget this, but the Iranian 155 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: hostages were actually the American hostages held by iran were 156 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: released on the day of President Reagan's inauguration. That's another 157 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: reason why he was so. 158 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: Reagan people were back channeling with the Iranians in order 159 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: to sort of rig that election in that way. 160 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: All right, that's true, yes, and no, Okay, the Carter 161 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: people look that this is too much of a rabbit 162 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: hole to go down. The point is is that the 163 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Reagan people have always celebrated the fact that the Iranians 164 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: were so afraid of President Reagan that they were willing 165 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: to release the hostages there on his inauguration day, President 166 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Carter flew over on Air Force one. 167 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: To go and to pick them up during this said inauguration. 168 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: There are a lot of complicated reasons as to why 169 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: all of that release and all that eventually did happen, 170 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: But the point is is that it was a great 171 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: pr coup for a round rig and that's something that 172 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants to recreate here. Well as to what exactly, 173 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: what does he say all hell will break loose or 174 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, there will be hell to pay? I mean, yeah, 175 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: that was my immediate reaction. I'm like, what exactly has 176 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Israel not done to the Gaza strip that the United 177 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: States would be able to do. Maybe presumably he means 178 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: going after Hajamas funders or you know, Iran or Hezbola 179 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: or any of those, but even that, you know, of course, 180 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: would be something that it would be diametrically opposed to 181 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the things he said. It is almost certain what he's 182 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: trying to do is to both signal being pro Israel 183 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: on this by saying all hell will be there to 184 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: pay while the ceasefire negotiations are happening. And we should 185 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: forget that there was that initial backchannel from Donald Trump 186 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: to net and Yahoo where he's like, look, dude, this 187 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: He's like, you do what you need to do. But 188 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: by the time I take office, this shit needs to 189 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: be over. So it could be very much that this 190 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: is a back channel as well, trying to take credit 191 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: for any eventual hostage cease fire negotiation by telling the Israelis, look, 192 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to put this out there. I mean, part 193 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: of why this is all so ridiculous too, is that 194 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, these rallies, you know, at least the net 195 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: Yahoo government, they they long since have not cared a 196 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: lot about these. 197 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: They don't even pretend anymore. 198 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that's part of what feels sort of like 199 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: quaint about this Trump Well message is. 200 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Like, because a hostage was confirmed, Dad, yesterday there was 201 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: an America dual citizens. 202 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: So American Israeli hostage who was thought to be held 203 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: captive was actually killed on October seventh, is the news 204 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: that came out. But yeah, I mean that's what felt 205 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: sort of like dissonant, like a throwback in this statement 206 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: is that the nat Yahoo government they don't even pretend 207 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: to care about the hostages anymore. You know, the faction 208 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: you'll love Goalt, who also my opinion, is monster and 209 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: has been also indicted by the International Criminal Court for 210 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: crime skits humanity. He was in the faction that said, Okay, 211 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: we need to prioritize getting the hostagees home. That is 212 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: a signific I don't know if it's a majority position, 213 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: but that is a position that's held by a significant 214 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: amount of the Israeli public. It's not that they care 215 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: about Palestinians, but they were very interested in getting the 216 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: hostages home. That path has been completely for it at 217 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: this point. It's undeniable that you know, I'm not saying 218 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: like Hamas has been great actors here or whatever, but 219 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: the primary roadblock to securing some sort of hostage deal 220 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: has been NETANYAHUO. 221 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: And it really was that moment when. 222 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: Joe Biden goes out gives that big speech, says, Israel 223 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: has agreed to this hostage release deal and now it's 224 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: in Hamas's court for you guys to agree, and Hamas 225 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: is basically like okay, and then Israel was like, wait, 226 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: actually no, we don't like this deal anymore. And it's 227 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: constantly throwing out poison pills and thwarting negotiations however they can, 228 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: and at this point they just don't even really pretend 229 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: that that's going on. So now they're back at the 230 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: seas Far negotiation table. I don't know how realistic it 231 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: is that you know, there's going to be a deal 232 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: struck at this point, but we're also at a point 233 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: of such utter and complete devastation and Gaza it's. 234 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: Like what more are you going to do? 235 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: You know, the number of deaths, the amount of rubble, 236 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: the just sheer devastation. And obviously he has parts of 237 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: his coalition who are very very open and upfront about 238 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: they want to completely take over Gaza, they want to 239 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: resettle Gaza. This is Benkavir and Smotrich and Trumps put 240 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: into his ministration. You know, people like my Kakabee who 241 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: would be very amenable to that direction, who are more 242 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: aligned with that faction, the most extreme faction of an 243 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: already extreme government, than certainly with the U of Gallants 244 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: of the world. So that's kind of the context for 245 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: all of this. And you know, speaking of ceasefires, there's 246 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: also supposedly a ceasefire that was struck with you know, 247 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: the US's negotiating assistance between Israel and Hezbolah. But Israel 248 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: has just continued to strike when and however and whenever 249 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: they want to in the face of this purported ceasefire agreement. 250 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: Even CNN is reporting on exactly this dynamic. Let's go 251 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to that. 252 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 6: I want to be very clear though, Dana, that there 253 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 6: have been continuous violations since this ceasfire took effect. Early 254 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 6: Wednesday morning, CNN spoke to a UN peacekeeping source who 255 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 6: says that Israel has violated that ceasefire about one hundred times. 256 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 6: But there are many people on both sides of this 257 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 6: border who are desperately hoping that this doesn't escalate further 258 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 6: and that the ceasefire prevails. 259 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: So CNN saying there that and by the way, this 260 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 2: ceasefire agreement is days old. This is not like it's 261 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: been in place for a month. And already they're reporting 262 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: that there have been some hundred violations of the ceasefire agreement. 263 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: R and Ryan Grimm, as the State Department spokespeople, what 264 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: they what the response to was to this, you know, 265 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: to this result. Can Israel just continued to fire with 266 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: impunity in the face of this negotiated seas our deal 267 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: is take a listen to that response. 268 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 7: A little bit more background on the side letter that 269 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 7: the US sent to Israel regarding the ceasefire arrangement with 270 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 7: Hesbela and Israel. What does it allow Israel to do? 271 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 8: Look, I don't have anything more I can speak to 272 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 8: about the ceasefire agreement, but I will say that a 273 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 8: lot of the reporting around the ceasefire agreement tends to 274 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 8: treat his news that Israel can exercise what ultimately is 275 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 8: a right that every country has. Every country has the 276 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 8: right to defend itself against terrorist attacks. Israel has that right, 277 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 8: Lebanon has that right. Every country in the world has 278 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 8: that right. 279 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 7: The United States often characterizes Israeli attacks as defense France 280 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 7: says that Israel has violated the ceasefire fifty two times 281 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 7: at this point. But if they're just recouched as Israel 282 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 7: defending itself, is Israel allowed to continue to attack Hesbela 283 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 7: as long as it says that was self defense, that 284 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 7: was self defense because. 285 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 8: I said, in response to questions, we have a mechanism 286 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 8: that we have set up to look at these exact 287 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 8: questions and to look at reports of ceasefire violations and 288 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 8: to determine whether in fact they were violations of the ceasefire, 289 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 8: whether in fact, if an incident was in some way 290 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 8: justified because somebody had come under the threat of harm. 291 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 8: And I'm not going to make those judgments from here 292 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 8: before that group has the opportunity to work through these questions. 293 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 8: That's why we set it up in the first place. 294 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: Right, They've got a mechanism, sagern here we'll I'll hold 295 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: our breath and waiting for that conclusion and the accountability 296 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 2: which will come on the other side of that. 297 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: As yeah, man, not much of a surprise. This is 298 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: part of what Donald Trump also will inherit. And then 299 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a very tricky situation because on 300 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the one side, he's got a very pro Israel coalition. 301 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got some of the very very hawkish 302 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: pro Israel members who are all part of his national 303 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: security apparatus, who are very would you know, and even 304 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the Republican celebration I saw. I mean it's online, granted, 305 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: but certainly and amongst a lot of the pros for 306 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: all folks, they are like, we've been waiting for somebody 307 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: to say something like this, and it's like, okay, well, 308 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: if an American Delta Force soldier gets killed in a 309 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: hostage raid, you know, to free Israelis, like we should 310 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: be asking the question here and like was it worth it? 311 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: You know, how many American lives? Is it worth to 312 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: free a bunch of Israeli hostages? And especially why can 313 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: they accomplish what the IDF, which we're told is such 314 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: a competent and incredible military, what are they supposed to do? 315 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: The Israeli Air Force? I mean, what bombs could we 316 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: drop on Gaza that would compel a Hamas ceasefire or 317 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: compel a Hamas release that the Israelis have not bought 318 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: dropped and we've given them almost everything that we have, 319 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: we don't even we barely have any ammunition left. 320 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: Ourselves, which is the irony of this entire situation. 321 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: So we'll see. And I think he is a certain 322 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: he's set up for it just as difficult as a 323 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: task as Biden, if anything more difficult, because he has 324 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: to please the most pro Israeli factions of the people 325 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: we made promises to and others, and all of that 326 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: is against his goal ultimately of peace. Again, I still 327 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: think that his statement is trying to compel some sort 328 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: of back channel of trying to achieve the cease fire 329 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: and pressure on the Israelis to wind down the conflict, 330 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: because at least we could say this for Trump, what 331 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: is his always criticism of Israel. It's bad pr but 332 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: he knows it's bad for him. You know, he doesn't 333 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: want to deal with this. He really doesn't want to 334 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: deal with a major war in the Middle East because 335 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: he understands too probably that he can get pulled into 336 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: this very quickly, especially with some massive fire, you know, 337 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: with Lebanon, with Syria now that's exploding. I mean, it's 338 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: a goddamn mess. It hasn't been like this since twenty fourteen. Yeah, 339 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: so you know, you really this is the worst possible 340 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: situation for an American president to want to walk into 341 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: he should be and wanting to do everything to bring 342 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: this to a close. 343 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 4: And my hope is that this is part of that. 344 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Again, knowing him, he just wants to recreate the Reagan magic. 345 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: That's immediately when I saw that, I was like, this 346 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: is a Reagan move. Now can he pull off what 347 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: Reagan did? I mean, that's a more. 348 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: Difficult The only thing that I would say in response 349 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: to that that everything you said is correct. But the 350 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: difference for Trump is that his entire coalition is pretty 351 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: united behind hawkish pro Israel stance. And part of what 352 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: was difficult for Biden to navigate politically, which he did 353 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: a very poor job of, is that Democrats overwhelmingly are 354 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: not in favor of this hawkish uniformly unanimously pro Israel stance, 355 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: and Democratic donors are somewhat divided, most of them are 356 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: pretty pro Israel. But then the base was really on 357 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: board with first the cease fire and certain and then 358 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: you know, very strongly on board with embargoing weapons shipments, 359 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: and so there were and obviously you had this you know, 360 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: very activist movement on college campus and other places from 361 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: the left which is somewhat in the Democratic Party coalition 362 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: that he also. 363 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: Had to contend with. 364 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: You don't have that same push pull, you know, push 365 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: and pull within the Republican coalition. So you know, for 366 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: him to come out with an aggressive statement like this, 367 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: like a few people Dave Smith won't be happy about it. 368 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: You won't be happy like there will be a few people. 369 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: But by and large, overwhelmingly his coalition and his donors 370 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: and his base are good with this. And so that 371 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: pushes all in one direction, which is, you know, consistent aggressive. 372 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Whatever Israel wants, whatever Miriam wants, they're going to ultimately get. 373 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: And of course you see that in the personnel here. 374 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: You're not incorrect. But and this is when there's a dog, 375 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: what is the dog catches the tail element to this too. Again, 376 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: like let's you want to see what the logical conclusion 377 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: of this. It's Americans dying to free Israeli hostages. If 378 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: maybe you think that's worth it, that's fine, you know, 379 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: you can exercise You're right in your opinion. I don't 380 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: think it's worth it, especially if it comes to actually 381 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: active combat. Let's say that there is some major bombing 382 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: and that invites you know, further attacks on Americans and 383 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: then we end up into some tit for tat with 384 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: Iran again why you know, for what purpose? And that 385 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: is the reality which Donald Trump would have to confront. Now. 386 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: I will have at least some faith that in the 387 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: past he's been afraid of getting into those situations like 388 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: pulling off or calling off the shootdown of that Iranian 389 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: plane in response to shooting down an American on man spyplane, 390 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: and in general has shown an aversion to getting embroiled 391 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: into deep conflict. Now he also can get dragged there 392 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: very easily, considering a lot of the people that he 393 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: has in front, he has behind him who will be 394 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: advising in the interagency process and in terms of the 395 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: options that will be presented to him. So we'll see. 396 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I do remember the very first well I 397 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: think it was week one, maybe week two of the 398 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: Trump administration, there was an American Navy seal who was 399 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: killed in combat in Yemen, and that was a big deal, 400 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, here in Washington. And actually that was a 401 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of a formative incident as well for Trump because 402 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: the raid had been previously approved by the Obama people 403 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: kind of and then Trump came in and he was like, yeah, 404 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: let's be hawkish, let's do it, and then he saw 405 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: what a nightmarit. You know, our operation was this guy 406 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: was killed and the helicopter crash, et cetera. 407 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: I mean remember that, very hawkish swords Iran though. 408 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but at the end they we didn't get into 409 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: a war with Ronnie killed. Cost some solamony, okay, yeah, but. 410 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: They did retaliate and they you know, struck our service members. 411 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: A number of them sustained traumatic brain injury. So it's 412 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: not like you're right, we didn't end up in a war. 413 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: But that's the gamble that he's willing to take. So 414 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: you know, this is not just bluster in the past. 415 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: It's been backed up by you know, hawkish actions vis 416 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: are the Iran in the region. 417 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 418 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: Look, he and the people behind him are united around 419 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: like a confrontation and a hawkish policy towards Iran. Trump himself, 420 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: though it at least says he wants a deal, so 421 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whatever, you can take that 422 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: to the bank. He's the one, also only one who 423 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: pulled out of the Iran deal, and the status quo 424 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: basically hasn't changed at all. He has said we don't 425 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: want any regime change. We're all war with Iran. I 426 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: think that's good. I hope that we stick to it. 427 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: But what concerns me the most really is not Donald Trump. 428 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: It's the inner agency stuff. It's people like Mike Waltz 429 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: and Marco Rubio and all these other people. When I mean, 430 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: if you think about it, there will be one voice 431 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: in the situation room who is not all that hawkish 432 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: on Iran, or at least previously. His name is Jadievans. 433 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: He's the only boy sitting right there, the only person 434 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: who spoke out against the Solimani thing. But he was 435 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: a private citizen. He wasn't an elected official, right and 436 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: didn't have to answer to the the Miriam Adelson's and 437 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: all of them of the world, every single other person 438 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: in the situation room, the generals and. 439 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: All these other they've been itching. 440 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: This is what they love. This the centcom commanders, et cetera. 441 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, Pete Hagsath and all of them. He's very 442 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: pro Israel. So this is the one area where that's 443 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: a major blind spot for any of their anti war positioning. 444 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: And as usual, you know, with ideology, big money and 445 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: all that, it is the easiest way to embroil the 446 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: United States into a major conflict, so watch out. But 447 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: you know, look, this was also a risk that I 448 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: got at least say this. If you voted for Trump 449 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: and you're upset about this, then you just weren't paying 450 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: any of it. No, I think that's right. 451 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: Let's be honest, that's absolutely correct. 452 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean I knew going clear eye into this. I'm like, 453 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the most proseral administration in American history. 454 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Didn't love it, but you know, you had a way 455 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: of checks and balances. But anybody who was telling you 456 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: that it was going to be opposite, then honestly you 457 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: got to take. 458 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 4: It for a rut. 459 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't believe those people ever. Again, certainly we have 460 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: some other updates we want to get to with regard 461 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: to Israel and the Gaza stripe. We can put this 462 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: up on the screen. So five Palestinians, including three World 463 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: Central Kitchen workers, have been killed after a car belonging 464 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: to the World Central Kitchen was targeted by an Israeli 465 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: drone in Gaza's con Unit City. You may recall this 466 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: is not the first time that Israel has targeted World 467 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: Central Kitchen. Aid workers. This is Jose Andre's outfit. You 468 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: will also recall that the first time this happened, there 469 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: was a large uproar here in DC and across the country, 470 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: I mean really around the globe. But you know, it 471 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: was the first time that people in DC were like, 472 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: oh my god, someone I know is actually connected to 473 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 2: the slaughter. And so there was a significant amount of 474 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: concern and outrage. But ultimately was there accountability? 475 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: Of course not. 476 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: And so this time when this you know, these aid workers, 477 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: these Palestinian aid workers, including World Central kitchen workers are 478 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: struck and killed, you barely hear anything about it. And 479 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: you know, it's the perfect story of the way that 480 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: lack of accountability breeds impunity. 481 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: And it's the same. 482 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Story with the you know, repeated violations of the ceasefire 483 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: with Hesbola. They know they can do it, and Matt 484 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: Meller will just get up there and be like, well, 485 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 2: we have a mechanism and we'll go back to you, 486 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: and they have their right to defend themselves, et cetera, 487 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: et cetera. Like they know that's going to be the response, 488 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: so they're going to do whatever the hell that they want. 489 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: And it is not only World Central kitchen workers that 490 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: have been killed. Here we can put the next piece 491 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: up on the screen. We also have Save the Children 492 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: AID workers who say they are devastating and outrage of 493 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: the killing of a Save the Children staff member, and 494 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: Israeli are strike in Gaza. Our second colleague killed in Gaza. 495 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: We con ten this attack in the strongest terms and 496 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: demand an investigation. You know, the killing of aid workers, 497 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: of medical professionals, of professors, of all types of people. 498 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: Journalists have been some of the largest targets in terms 499 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: of the Gaza strip. This has been ongoing and it 500 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: continues to be ongoing because again the US has allowed 501 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: them to act with complete immunity and with zero accountability. 502 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 2: At the same time, Al Jazeera has a deeply disturbing 503 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: report about the way that Israel is using these quad copters, 504 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: and this had been rumored for a long time but 505 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: not fully confirmed, that they use these quad copters. They 506 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: play sounds of crying babies or mothers calling for help 507 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: to lure people out of their or their shelters, and 508 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: then once they are lured out, looking for this desperate baby, 509 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: desperate mom to try to help, then they shoot and 510 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: kill them. Let's take a listen to a little of 511 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: this report from Al Jazeera. 512 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 9: In mid April, we were informed that Israeli quat captors 513 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 9: were emitting bizarre sounds, including baby sounds or women's screaming. 514 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 9: I went personally to Nusairat and I interviewed several Palestinians separately, 515 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 9: and the testimonies were almost identical. Blood capters were for 516 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 9: two consecutive nights on the fourteenth and the fifteenth, I 517 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 9: guess of April, they were emitting baby sounds, playing sounds 518 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 9: of screaming women. He played these sounds only to lure 519 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 9: citizens out of their homes and to find someone to shoot. 520 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 9: And this was confirmed by actually the reports that we 521 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 9: followed up on at hospitals. There were cases of people 522 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 9: getting injured by these blood capters after going out to 523 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 9: figure out what was the sound to try to. 524 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: Help, and then they go on to speak to a 525 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: young man there who one of his family members had 526 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: been killed by one of these quad copters. And you know, 527 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: this just very obviously flies in the face of the 528 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: idea we're doing this targeted hunt for hamas they're trying 529 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: to lure out whoever they can lure out with these 530 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: quad copters and then indiscriminately murdering them. And that is 531 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: what our taxpayer dollars are going to fund. So congratulations everyone. 532 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: Last piece Sager that wanted to get to here, which 533 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say about this, put 534 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: this up on the screen, so Biden over the Thanksgiving holiday. 535 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: I think this was actually on Black Friday apparently. I 536 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: think this was the maybe the day before he informed 537 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: Hunter he was going to be pardoning him. He'll see 538 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: Hunter there in the picture. But if you look at 539 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: that book that he's holding as he comes out of 540 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: the bookstore, that is The hundred Years War on Palestine, 541 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: a fantastic book digging into the consistent violent oppression of Palestinians, 542 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: written by a renowned academic, Rashid Khalidi. And now, after 543 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: more than a year of facilitating this genocide, he thought 544 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: maybe he'd read about what's going on in the region. 545 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: I mean, what do you like, what do you even 546 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: say to this? 547 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like struggle session ask. 548 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: Like he I guess he wants to know where he 549 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: fits in the one hundred years War on Palestine, Like 550 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: what role he's playing in the you know, renewed aggressive 551 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: Palestinian violent oppression. 552 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: I would just put it in terms of the most 553 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: Biden move of all time. Also, that was on Nantucket, 554 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: just so people don't Yeah, it makes it even more 555 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: perfect case you weren't aware. It is a great bookstore. 556 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 4: Though we'll say that it is. 557 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: There is something I'm not sure I can totally distill it. 558 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: But it's so perfect about a liberal quote unquote who's 559 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: been facilitating genocide for a year but is going to 560 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: read this book and signal that he, like you know, feels. 561 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: Bad about what's going on. 562 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: I think that's basically on Nantucket. I mean, like all 563 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, Brucket the president of the United States. 564 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: It's very much like liberal guilt and like me, at 565 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: least try to understand what the other side is. It's 566 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: actually quite classic. 567 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 10: Yeah. 568 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: And it's like doing the reading after after the fact too. 569 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certainly there. I mean, look, let's also do 570 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: the alternative, which he has no idea what he's doing, 571 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: and I just picked it up. Oh, pel's going okay, 572 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, see I'm interested in that or like yeah, 573 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: like I'm involved or after somebody that's probably the most 574 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: likely outcome to be honest, that's somebody his granddaughter or 575 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: his great granddaughter, sorry, his great granddaughter or something like that, 576 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: is the person who. 577 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: I mean, he's so cooked. There's no way you can 578 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 3: like fully, yeah, you're comprehends. 579 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: He's at the point of his life where somebody's got 580 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: to read to him, like at a nursing home. Like 581 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're looking at. Even a lot 582 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: of these interviews and things that we're looking at, they're crazy. 583 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's an Angola right now, he's in Africa 584 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: or I think he's either there right now or he's 585 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: on his way. There's no plans to do a press conference. Nothing. 586 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 4: I mean, this is it's it never happens in a 587 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: foreign trip. 588 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: For the the only time a United States president travels 589 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: abroad and doesn't do a press conference is when they 590 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: go to like China, where they don't have a press well, 591 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: and that's at the request of the Chinese government, not 592 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: because of the US government, the Angola and all that. 593 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: They want to do a press conference. They want to 594 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: publicize that American president is finally visiting Africa, and he's like, no, 595 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: I can't do it. 596 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think the last time he did a foreign 597 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: press conference didn't you like wander into the rainforce. 598 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I was gone for 599 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: that one. No, he was like, did work out into 600 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: the Amazon rainforest? That's like, dude, you know what's gonna happen, 601 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: asked Teddy. Roosevelt is the last president to drift off 602 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: of the American Amazon rainfores. Didn't work out for it. 603 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: It's a good way for, you know, former presidents to 604 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: end their life just to wander off into the wilderness. 605 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: It does appear that that rainforest trip, unfortunately, is what 606 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: killed Roosevelt, the malaria and all that. They said he 607 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: never recovered from it. 608 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: Wow, there you go. 609 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, there's been some amazing media reactions 610 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: to the Hunter Biden parton First is the view which 611 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: we can always count on for cutting age analysis. Here, 612 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: Whoopi Goldberg says it was never a lie from President 613 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: Biden that he had completely ruled out a pardon for 614 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: his son. Let's take a. 615 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: Listener perspect it as a parent. 616 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 11: I understand why he would do it, but I wanted 617 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 11: to understand why lie about it for so long? 618 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: And I'd stopped one calling it a lie? 619 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 11: Okay, why repeatedly say you're not going to when you do. 620 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 11: And secondarily, for the part of this country, half of 621 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 11: it that doesn't support Biden, doesn't no one personally doesn't 622 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 11: get to tab phone calls, and they're just looking at 623 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 11: a system that seems like it's only benefits the people 624 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 11: who are a resident. 625 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 10: Does that sound well, here's what it says. It's a 626 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 10: president for all of us to open our eyes because 627 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 10: we've elected someone who is in a similar situation, who 628 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 10: didn't have a drug problem, who knew what he was doing, 629 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 10: who clearly was stood and said I can do this, 630 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 10: and he did it. So I think for many many reasons, 631 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 10: this is very different than any other situation that we 632 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 10: have ever out. 633 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: It's actually not. You know, she is correct in one way, 634 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: it is very different. It is the most sweeping presidential 635 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: pardon in American history, so we have that it is 636 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: even more of a sweeping pardon than the part in 637 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: the Gerald Ford delivered President Nixon for any and all 638 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: crimes committed while he's president of the United States. This 639 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: one takes the cake because it's a ten year period 640 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen to today. Ironically, also included in the 641 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: pardon was the date of December first, even though it 642 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: was issued on November thirtieth or something like that, and 643 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: so maybe it was December second and September first, and 644 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: so Hunter when it was issued, actually had several hours. 645 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 4: To continue committing a few more crimes. 646 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: So can you imagine the crack binge that happened in 647 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: that house? I mean that that. 648 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: Would have been an awesome Hunter. 649 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: It probably was an awesome time. You know. There's also 650 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: people are now saying because Hunter no longer can invoke 651 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment because of fear of prosecution, he should 652 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: have no fear of going on the Joe Rogan experience 653 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 1: or justifying for Congress. Now is actually the time to 654 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: tell us Hunter what happened with Bisma and with all 655 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: of this. So, in one sense, Whoopy is correct. This 656 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: is a very different situation. 657 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: The part of that I most subjected to is when 658 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: she was like, don't call it a live Yeah, I know, 659 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: it's like, come on. 660 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 4: Lady, Like, you know. 661 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: My thing with this is I find it outrageous that 662 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 2: so many liberal politicians and pundits, so many of them, 663 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: have been outraged by this, and it's been the you 664 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: know the worst thing that the most condemnation that they've 665 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: had for Joe Biden is over this pardon of Hunter, 666 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: and it's like, have you watched what this man has 667 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: been up to his entire miss Have you watched the 668 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: way that he has facilitated this slaughter in Gaza, And 669 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: yet your undies are in a bunch over Hunter Biden, like. 670 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: You know, spare me at this point. 671 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: So that was the sort of tease us up for 672 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: the next thought that we have here. And there were 673 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: a couple of these on CNN where you have Ali 674 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: Honik and then later on you had Manu Raju who 675 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: were like, this is going. 676 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: To harnish Joe Biden's legacy. 677 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: It's like his legacy of genocide and greasing the skids 678 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: back to Donald Trump and his legacy of being so 679 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: arrogant and narcissistic that he was happy to allow his 680 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: party to lose and was happy, apparently to stay in 681 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: the race even when he was being told he was 682 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: going to lose four hundred Electoral College votes to Donald Trump. Like, 683 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: what legacy are we talking about here? In any case? 684 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: Here is Elli Hondig making that point. 685 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 12: This is as broad as a pardon can possibly be. Ordinarily, 686 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 12: a pardon will specify a certain case, and that happened here. 687 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 12: It says, I hereby pardon Hunter Biden on the gun 688 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 12: case in Delaware and on the tax case in California. 689 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 12: But what's different about this one is it also says 690 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 12: this is a full and unconditional pardon for all conduct 691 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 12: going back to January one of twenty fourteen, which means 692 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 12: Hunter Biden cannot be federally prosecuted for anything going back 693 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 12: to twenty fourteen, and really before then, because before then 694 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 12: is going to be precluded by the Statute of limitations. 695 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 12: And as you say said before, the only historical president 696 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 12: the best historical precedent for this is the pardon of 697 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 12: Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford, which has similar language. But 698 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 12: what I think is not disputable is that this is 699 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 12: a historic act of political nepotism. This is the granting 700 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 12: of a pardon by the president to his son. Joe 701 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 12: Biden even says, if you really parse his statement, he 702 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 12: acknowledges that a substantial part of this is because Hunter 703 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 12: Biden is his son, and that will land Joe Biden 704 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 12: on a historic list that he probably doesn't want to 705 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 12: be a part of, along with Bill Clinton, who pardoned 706 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 12: his half brother Roger Clinton, along with Donald Trump, who 707 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 12: pardoned Charles Kushner, who is the father of his own 708 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 12: son in law, Jared Kushner. So I'm sure Joe Biden 709 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 12: understands the historic implications of what he's done, and now 710 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 12: he's earned his way onto that list. 711 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: So there you go. 712 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: And I mean, Nate Silver, he does a silver thing, 713 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: silver thing, a similar thing that the Seppelin screen. I 714 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: don't even have jet leg as an excuse here, guy, 715 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm having like sympathetic jet lag. I guess I discussed 716 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: here how I vote for Harris despite feeling like Democrats 717 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: indulged in a lot of bad behavior that voters were 718 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: rational to publish. After the White House lying about the 719 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 2: Hunter pardon, I'm not sure how much. 720 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 3: More I can tolerate. 721 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: And look, I totally get people objecting to the Hunter 722 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: pardon personally, I don't really care one way or another. 723 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: What I am disgusted by is Joe Biden being perfectly 724 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: happy to violate the norms when it serves himself and 725 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: his family, but not one say, it might deliver a 726 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: fifteen dollars minimum wage to workers, or in any other 727 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: way he could violate those norms in this you know, 728 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: last lame duck days, but he chooses to only use 729 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: it to benefit himself. That's my you know, really significant 730 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: objection here. But it's just funny from Nate because I 731 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: mean number one, as others have pointed out, like Trump 732 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: really aggressively abused this pardon Bowers with Kushner and Roger 733 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 2: Stone and Steve Vann and Denesh Jesuza, like anyone who 734 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 2: was sympathetic to him whatsoever, or even some people who 735 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 2: apparently like paid to get their case in front of Trump. 736 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: He just was happy to dule amount. So if this 737 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: is your line with Joe Biden, like where was all 738 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: that concerned with Trump? But also like Joe Biden has 739 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: done so much worse during his administration, and Gaza being 740 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: the obvious example, but I would also put Soger Ukraine 741 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: and thwarting that piece deal and allowing that slaughter to 742 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: go on. And so that's where the DC morality just 743 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: makes no sense to me whatsoever that this would be 744 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: the reason why you think his legacy would be tarnished, 745 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: Like there are eighty five other vastly more important mortal 746 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: failings of Joe Biden before you even start to talk 747 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: about this one. 748 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: On an objective basis politically massive failure. Again, judge him 749 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: by his own rhetoric. He ran to defeat Donald Trump 750 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: forever the dark branded means he was not successful in 751 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: that he was a narcissist all the way through the 752 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: world is on fire. Arguably the destruction of the quote 753 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: unquote rule based international order really was struck under Joe 754 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: far Biden, no doubt about it. Well, it's easy. I mean, 755 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I read a lot of history, so I'm used to 756 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: thinking about things at like one hundred thousand foot level 757 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: strategy wise, when you write the historical period of the 758 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: Joe Biden presidency, what will they point to? The invasion 759 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: of Ukraine, the fall withdrawal of Afghanistan, even though I 760 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: supported it. I mean, it's very clear that it was 761 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: executed in such a way that it turned the American 762 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: public away. The Israeli War and the conflagration and explosion 763 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: continuation of American interventionism in the Middle East, and then 764 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: you have that with the political failure of this president. 765 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: On top of the economic trends are arguably worse in 766 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: this country at any time since two thousand and eight, 767 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: which sounds crazy to say. If you talk to an economist. 768 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about a little bit in 769 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: our show about home prices and about inflation. I mean, 770 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: the level of domestic consternation has really no precedent since 771 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight period and really more analogous 772 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: to the early nineteen hundred. So Biden will go down 773 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: in history like people who you barely think about, you know, 774 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: from the early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, like Calvin Coolidge, you know, 775 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: silent cow. People don't really think libertarians like him, that's 776 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: about it. You know, he's mostly a footnote. He'll be 777 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: one of those folks. 778 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 3: I think he'll be. 779 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 2: I mean, not even as positive as Jimmy Carter, because 780 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: at least with Carter, people feel like, well he's. 781 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 4: A good guy right himself in his post. 782 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 3: Service and they're all suching. 783 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, can't David Acord like there are 784 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 2: things you can point to during the Carter administration. I 785 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: think Biden has a much worse legacy ultimately than Jimmy 786 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 2: Carter does. And in a sense it's a shame because 787 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: there are things he did that were a break with 788 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: the neoliberal order, that were important, you know, the continuation 789 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: of the China tariff policy important, The implementation of industrial 790 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 2: policy in a way that we haven't seen in decades 791 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 2: in this country. Important, The aggressive you know, the antitrust, 792 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,720 Speaker 2: the sort of repositioning and reinvigoration of anti trust policy 793 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: very important, most pro labor present on my life. No 794 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 2: one's going to remember any of that because of how 795 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: overwhelming the foreign policy devastating failures were. 796 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: You're right Zager about. 797 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 2: He has done more destruction to the quote unquote rules 798 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 2: based order than anyone. I mean that Donald Trump could 799 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: have ever dreamed, because he's someone who claimed to believe 800 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: in them exactly and to uphold it, and so he 801 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 2: was in, you know, a vastly more significant position to 802 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: be able to completely undermine it. 803 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he does well on institutions and 804 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: rule of law as well. It will find, you know, 805 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: people will always write about the Trump law fair and 806 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: about what happened to him. But now as part of 807 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: that will be you know that Joe Biden, in his 808 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: pardon of his son, used this same rhetoric and justification 809 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump will to escape his own charges and problems. 810 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: So you know, look, you can't blame Americans for saying 811 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: you all are full of shit and for just pressing 812 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the red button. Ultimately that was the vote for Donald Trump. 813 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: And honestly, they America was more red even than I 814 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: thought that they were in terms of They're like, I 815 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: don't want to hear this democracy shit. I don't want 816 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: to hear any of this anymore. I can't deal with this, 817 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: you know. And there's something just so nauseating about Biden 818 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: and the preening and the entire Kamala Harris campaign that 819 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: they just said, I'm done. You know, I'm willing to 820 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: take I'm willing to take a chance, you know, roll 821 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: the dice United ninety three, whatever metaphor that you want 822 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: to have here. And so that is one that will 823 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: be the ultimate legacy of Joseph ar Biden. I honestly 824 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: think he's a much worse president Obama. I think, you know, 825 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: I mean, second only to me. 826 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 2: And before before Gaza on economics, I was one of 827 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: the people out there making the case Joe Biden is 828 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: better than Barack Obama on economics. But you cannot look 829 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: at the totality of this administration and say that he is, 830 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 2: you know, better in any significant respect. At this point, 831 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: we have gotten far afield. But I have to get 832 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: to this next piece because I demanded that would be 833 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 2: in the show so that I could gloat a little 834 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: bit about it. Let's put this up on the screen. 835 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 2: Ton's Desusa, who was himself. 836 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: He was pardoned pardons for straw. 837 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: Donation by Donald Trump. He put out his two thousand 838 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 2: Mules documentary to great fanfare within MAGA world. He was 839 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: hosted at mar Lago for a film screening. It might 840 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: have even been the premiere sort of down there. He 841 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 2: is now himself admitting that the central part of this film, 842 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: which I watched, and you guys might remember, I did 843 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 2: a monologue about it, saying how this was all total 844 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: and complete bullshit. The central part of this film, he 845 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: is now admitting completely false, completely wrong, apologizing to one 846 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 2: of the people that he smeared as being one of 847 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: these purported quote unquote mules. So let me read you 848 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 2: this from Rolling Stone, they say. Magafilmmaker Dinesh Jususa issued 849 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: a statement on Sunday admitting his most notorious project, the 850 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty election conspiracy film two Thousand Mules, was produced 851 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: quote on the basis of inaccurate information provided to me 852 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: and my team. Includes in a potlogy to a man 853 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: named Mark Andrews, a Georgia man who sued Denish DEESUSA 854 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 2: and Sale, a media group who were responsible for putting 855 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: out the film, which by the way, they ceased distribution 856 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: of in the wake of these lawsuits and the revelations 857 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 2: that the film was told him complete bullshit. Profit this 858 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 2: film certainly did, though politically and financially they say it 859 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: grossed over ten million dollars in revenue. As I mentioned, 860 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: they had a private screening for it at mar A Lago. 861 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: Helped make DENESHJESUSI more influential, He writes in part I 862 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 2: apologize to mister Andrews. I make this apology not under 863 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 2: the terms of a settlement agreement or other duress, but 864 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 2: because it is the right thing to do given what. 865 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 3: We have now learned. 866 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: While I do not believe mister Andrews was ever identified 867 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: by the film or book, I am sorry for any 868 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 2: harm he believes he and his family have suffered as 869 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 2: a result of two thousand mules. Desusa claims he had 870 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 2: no idea the data provided by True the Vote was 871 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 2: faulty at the time the film was released. Quote True 872 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 2: the Vote provided my team with ballot dropbox surveillance footage 873 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: that had been obtained through open records requests sured that 874 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 2: the surveillance videos had been linked to geolocation cell phone data, 875 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 2: such that each video depicted an individual who'd make at 876 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: least ten visits to dropboxes. To SUSA writes, we recently 877 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 2: learned that surveillance videos used in the film may not 878 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 2: have actually been correlated with the geolocation data. And listen, 879 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 2: as someone who did a monologue right at the time, 880 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 2: it was at the time. 881 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 3: That this was all total bunk and bullshit. 882 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 2: This particular man, Mark Andrews, who he's apologizing to, who 883 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 2: had been portrayed as one of these mules. He just 884 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 2: was dropping off the ballots for himself and his family, 885 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 2: which is a perfectly reasonable and legal activity. So you know, 886 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 2: it's preposterous to imagine that he could not have known 887 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 2: at the time that this was all completely phony bullshit, 888 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: because if I was able to discern this from the outside, 889 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 2: surely the person putting the film together and sifting through 890 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: all the data could have discerned that this was all uttering, 891 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 2: complete nonsense. 892 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. If anything, there's been a healing effect on Stop 893 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: the Steel since Trump's victory where we can just admit 894 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: all of these things now out loud and just be 895 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: like okay. And the Republican base has been satiated enough 896 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: from Trump's victory in twenty twenty four that they no 897 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: longer have to claim. 898 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 3: Some of the elections are free and fair now that 899 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's won. 900 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's how it goes for them. Let's 901 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: put this on the screen and love Anne. 902 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 3: When Anne's right, She's right. 903 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: Ann is the goat. You can at least say this. 904 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: She is a consistent woman, and she says, please think 905 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: back to all the people who told you to watch 906 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: Dinesh's two thousand Mules and never trust them again. 907 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 2: That would include the incoming president of the United States. 908 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 4: I believe well, well, Anne and Trump are beefing. 909 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 1: Don't forget. Ann has always called him, She's called him out. 910 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: They've had a fraught relationship for a long time. So 911 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: she accused him of abandoning what he ran on in 912 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So that's why I think Anne. 913 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 2: Is the goat so many Charlotte's seagriftors. And the really 914 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: sad thing is that he will pay zero price in 915 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 2: terms of his like. 916 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: Who Dudesh I mean, this is pretty bad. I will 917 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: say that like that's uh. 918 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 2: People go right and whatever his next little project is, 919 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 2: they'll eat it right up. 920 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: So I think you're right. But I also think that 921 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: there was this mean I mean I encounter this, you 922 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: know with the normal Republicans, you know, every once in 923 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: a while, if you're in an uber or something, and 924 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: they'll just be like, so, do you really think the 925 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: election wasn't stolen? And they'll ask about two thousand mules 926 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: or anything like that. If you calmly discuss, you know, 927 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: with them, I think they'll usually they'll come around to 928 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: it and be like, okay, yeah, that actually sound reasonable. 929 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: But I think outside of the hardcore, you know, this 930 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: stuff will not have as much I think, at least 931 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: as a result of things like this, it will not 932 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: have as much currency in the future. Trump is also 933 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: extraordinarily unique. It's an ability to you know, claim things 934 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: that are stolen to inspire his following. And look at that. 935 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: Who's that guy who ran in Wisconsin? Hovedy? Is that 936 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: his name? Eric Hovdy? He tried to play footseet would 937 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: stop the steal, and he just gave up. It was 938 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: like it's not working, you know, in terms of it 939 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: was I think it was his election against Tammy Baldwin, 940 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: and he was claiming something or whatever. 941 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 4: It didn't land at. 942 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: All, same with all all of the other Republicans who 943 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: lost in the swing states. 944 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 2: I just think we're in a place where people's trust 945 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 2: and institutions has been understandably obliterate. 946 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's zero. 947 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 2: And I think this is happening now on the liberal 948 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 2: side as well, which is why I'm not like, even 949 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 2: though the NBC is sort of being destroyed, why I'm 950 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 2: not that hopeful that what grows in the rubble is 951 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 2: going to be better, Because when people's trust and institutions 952 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 2: has been destroyed, it makes it very easy for Charlatan's 953 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 2: like DESNT just SUSA to come in and say, well, 954 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 2: I'm telling you the truth that no one else wants 955 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 2: you to hear, and if it's adversarial to the mainstream media, 956 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 2: or if the mainstream media is like attacking you over it, 957 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,439 Speaker 2: you use that as proof of your valor and your 958 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,399 Speaker 2: positioning as a truth teller. And there's I mean, there's 959 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 2: so many people who have profited in exactly this way, 960 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 2: Like the more shameless you're willing to be, the more successful, 961 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 2: you're going to be and you know, I it's Dinessha's 962 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: next thing is not going to be about the last conspiracy. 963 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 2: It's going to be about whatever the conspiracy is. And 964 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 2: I think, again, I don't think that this will damage 965 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 2: this credibility at all. And I think most of the 966 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 2: people who watched two thousand Mules and believed it and 967 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 2: took it seriously are not even going to see this 968 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 2: apology and realize that they've been taken for a ride. 969 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 2: So you know that's it creates a real vulnerability. And 970 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 2: this is not to defend the quote unquote institutions, like 971 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 2: they deserve the low level of trust that they have, 972 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 2: They've earned it, like that's their own fault. But then 973 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 2: you know, there are so many Charlatans who come in 974 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 2: and fill the void and to say that the claim 975 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 2: that they're telling you some secret truth that's being hidden 976 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 2: from you, it's just it's becomes very easy to manipulate 977 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 2: people and get this sort of like herd mentality going. 978 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I still think the apology is a good 979 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 4: first time. 980 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 2: So no, it's better than no apology. I guess now 981 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 2: that it doesn't really matter. But whatever, let's get. 982 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: To there's been a real change in consumer behavior as 983 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: a result of Black Friday and a potential preview of 984 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: what's to come with some of the Tariffs's put this 985 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: on the screen for example, just wanted to talk about this. 986 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: It's called shoppers fight back as the retailers cracked down 987 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: on returns. So as retailers are trying to basically increase 988 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: prices and increase their margins, they have been putting a 989 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in the fine print about charging for 990 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: returns and about making it more difficult to actually achieve 991 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: the return policy which most people are used to. And 992 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: what we have seen is the rise of the informed consumer. 993 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: And I actually think inflation has prompted a lot of 994 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: people to read fine print, actually look at some of 995 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that they're buying, their ability to return, and 996 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: also about the way that they're really getting screwed by 997 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these retailers. So what they point to 998 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: inside of this article is basically about a lot of 999 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: people who are really going down inside the fine print 1000 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: for returns and others and are stopping buying from those 1001 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: who are trying to crack down. Now, in some sense, 1002 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: I am sympathetic. You know, there are people out there 1003 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: who will buy like ten items with the tension to 1004 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: return nine. But you know, what we have seen as 1005 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: well is that this is largely a result, not necessarily 1006 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: of the not of the retailers, but it's largely a 1007 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: result of consumers who continually feel like they're getting ripped 1008 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: off because of increasing prices, and that those increasing prices 1009 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: that informed consumer has changed dramatically. Like in terms of 1010 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: the grocery store, there's been a reported massive increase in 1011 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: the number of people who do couponing. Like, you know, 1012 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: people make fun of extreme couponing, but like most people 1013 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,240 Speaker 1: in the lower inflation times, they weren't really paying attention. 1014 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of increase in that, in 1015 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: bargain hunting, in the rise of a discount, you know, 1016 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: grocery store and all. That is a bad thing, by 1017 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: the way, because it means that people are spending too 1018 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: much money. But I thought it was an interesting development, 1019 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 1: and since it pairs well before we were about to 1020 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: get to a terrorist. 1021 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm almost such an aggressive coupon. 1022 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 2: Or what not. Really, that's a good that's all like 1023 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 2: binder when we go into the grocery store. But with 1024 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 2: regard to this story, there's kind of an arms race 1025 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 2: going on between the retailers and the shoppers effectively, and 1026 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: you know this is also just online shopping is fully 1027 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 2: mature now, and shoppers are fully mature and fully schooled 1028 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 2: in the best ways of going about online shopping. So 1029 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,919 Speaker 2: especially if you're shopping for clothes and you're not sure 1030 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 2: what size you are, Like, one thing people do is 1031 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 2: called bracketing, is they'll buy like size up the size 1032 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 2: they think they are, and size down, and then they'll 1033 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 2: just return so that they can you know, try them 1034 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 2: on at home and then just return whichever pieces don't fit, 1035 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 2: which seems to be entirely reasonable behavior, honestly, because if 1036 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,959 Speaker 2: you're not going to be in the store, then that's 1037 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 2: a good way to figure out what size you actually want. 1038 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,479 Speaker 2: And as long as you're doing it kind of good faith, 1039 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't see that as like, you know, abusive or 1040 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 2: nefarious behavior. But the next part of this arms race 1041 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 2: is apparently they're now developing AI to give you a 1042 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 2: sort of like social trust score when it comes to 1043 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,919 Speaker 2: your return behavior. So if you're a frequent returner, they're 1044 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 2: going to start charging you more for shipping and you 1045 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 2: more for returns, where someone else who has a different 1046 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,399 Speaker 2: social trust return score doesn't get charged in that way. 1047 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 2: And so you know, I mean this is the way 1048 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 2: that AI rather than what we would like to see, 1049 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 2: which is when new technology comes online which has the 1050 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 2: potential to like profoundly transform the way humanity behaves, and 1051 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 2: that it would be used in service of humanity. 1052 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,360 Speaker 3: But instead, frequently. 1053 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 2: What we see, because it's used solely for profit is 1054 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 2: companies almost like weaponizing it against We see this with 1055 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 2: the spot pricing as well, similar thing where it's like, oh, 1056 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 2: you can afford this, so I'm going to gouge you specifically, 1057 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to use a deal with you to lure 1058 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: you in because I know your vulnerabilities. Once you're in 1059 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 2: the store, then you're going to buy other stuff and 1060 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 2: you know, so this is somewhat dystopian use of AI. 1061 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 2: Think that's being deployed here, and we know one more 1062 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 2: way that everything we do, all of our behavior is 1063 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 2: just being like tracked and weaponized against us. But the 1064 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 2: other piece I think that's really important is that retailers 1065 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 2: are already signaling that they are going, whether they have 1066 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 2: increased costs or not, they're going to use the excuse 1067 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 2: of any teriffs that Trump puts into place to jack 1068 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: up prices, and they know they can get away with 1069 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,919 Speaker 2: it because they did the same thing during COVID. Those 1070 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 2: of us like you and I who were saying, hey, 1071 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 2: you know, one part of this inflation we're seeing is 1072 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 2: not just the cost It is a greedflation where retailer, 1073 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 2: where any sort of company sees they can get away 1074 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,359 Speaker 2: with hiking prices, and so they're just doing it aggressively, 1075 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 2: way beyond their costs, and they're bragging about it on 1076 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 2: earnings calls. By the way, so this is not theoretical. 1077 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 2: They're already saying basically, we're going to do the same 1078 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 2: thing this time around. Has put this up on the 1079 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 2: screen from the Wall Street Journal. You also have a 1080 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 2: lot of retailers who are basically like using the threat 1081 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,799 Speaker 2: of teriffs to get people to buy stuff now. There's 1082 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 2: this company called Finally Home Furnishings. They put on their 1083 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 2: Facebook they say pre teariff sale. This is not a 1084 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 2: drill urging customers to order now before prices double. That's 1085 00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 2: an online furniture retailer. 1086 00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 3: They say. 1087 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 2: It's one of many businesses urging customers to buy now 1088 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 2: before President like Trump's proposed tariffs potentially. 1089 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 3: Raise costs and prices. 1090 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 2: Others banging the tariff drum include companies selling outdoor gear, stickers, beauty. 1091 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 3: Products, and more. 1092 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,760 Speaker 2: Companies are pouncing in a moment when fe're an uncertainty, 1093 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 2: you're on the rise, and consumer spending and showing signs 1094 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 2: of weakness. Best Buy warned of software demand, Coals and 1095 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 2: Target report lower apparel sales in the latest quarter. Another 1096 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 2: example here, beauty brand Joe Lee's Skin urged customers by 1097 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 2: email to quote to lock in our current prices before 1098 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 2: potential tariffs push them higher. And apparently this is also 1099 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 2: kind of taken off online. There's a lot of like 1100 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 2: TikTok discourse. 1101 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: We're about to get to that, but just listen to 1102 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: this dishonesty the very saying this is finally home furnishings, 1103 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 1: the very same items you are seeing now will double 1104 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: the price once the carrots kick in. Tariff's kick in 1105 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: double the price. Interesting, I thought it was a twenty 1106 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: five percent tariff. So even if you do assume that 1107 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: all of the costs gets passed on the consumer, where 1108 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: the extra seventy five percent go. So everyone should just 1109 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: get ready that there will be a lot of Chikanery 1110 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: that is happening here. But also this is a perfect 1111 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: preview into why we need tariffs in the first place. 1112 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: What exactly is final final home furnishings or a wayfare 1113 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: or any of these other places they buy. It's cheap 1114 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: cardboard shit from China. If you will continue, you can 1115 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: see in sporting goods and they talk about fishing rods, 1116 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,959 Speaker 1: pieces of metal, all these other things which we don't 1117 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: make here, not even here, we don't even make it 1118 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: in the northern hemisphere or in an Allied nation like Vietnam, 1119 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: target coals. Where do you think all that shit's coming from? 1120 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: Not America, not Mexico, same thing. It's all from China. 1121 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: At best, it's from Vietnam. And so what you can 1122 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: see inside of this is exactly the problem with cheap 1123 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 1: consumer goods. It's all crap. It just breeds more consumption. 1124 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: A lot of it is cheap that just is recycled, 1125 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 1: and you just keep going back and buying new stuff 1126 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,800 Speaker 1: every one or two years. I mean, look, I understand 1127 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: like it is a bedrock of the American experience. This 1128 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: is a little bit prechy, so you know, sorry, but 1129 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 1: this is the fundamental problem with our economy. So look 1130 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: inside of this, you can see clearly that they are 1131 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: prepped and they are ready to make sure that they 1132 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: will use the tariffs as an excuse. I think I 1133 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: said yesterday that the funniest possible outcome will be major 1134 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: tariffs and then price controls from Donald Trump. But honestly, though, 1135 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: anybody who is you know, artificially increasing prices because of 1136 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: tariffs which are imposed for national security purposes, I would 1137 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: personally say that is an active treason. But you know, 1138 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: we'll see how the government decides to treat them, because 1139 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's right, especially if we're talking about 1140 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean like best Buy. Best Buy says, oh, the 1141 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: demand for consumer electronics is going to go down. It's like, okay, well, 1142 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: let's think about what this race for consumer electronics has happened. 1143 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,800 Speaker 1: We've had a one thousand percent decrease in the price 1144 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: of a television. Is your life better off? Are you 1145 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: good for that? 1146 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 6: You know? 1147 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: Has that been a great outcome for America? I don't 1148 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 1: think so. You know, it's like we got to we actually, 1149 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: at the very least, I hope it prompts like a 1150 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,879 Speaker 1: real honest conversation about what all this stuff is about 1151 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,320 Speaker 1: why do we need all this new stuff on Black Friday? Anyways? 1152 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,799 Speaker 1: Like what is exactly all of it doing? And at 1153 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,240 Speaker 1: the very least, like I think it should show people 1154 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: as well the same greedflation problems that we had during 1155 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: COVID that this is all fake. I mean, why, what's 1156 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: a Chipotle bowl cost these days? Fifteen bucks? You know, 1157 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: you really want me to believe one hundred percent increases 1158 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: happened when I was in college. 1159 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 4: I think it was eight dollars for I think, so one. 1160 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: Hundred percent increase over the last ten years. Yeah, I'm 1161 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,479 Speaker 1: not buying it, you know, and most. 1162 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 2: People understand that they know you're speaking to something that 1163 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,320 Speaker 2: is really important and quite deep, which. 1164 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 3: Is we have had a. 1165 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 2: Social contract that has been built around consumption. That is 1166 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,879 Speaker 2: the America And basically, and I mean this goes back 1167 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 2: even to the conception of like what a monopoly is, 1168 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 2: which you know, work sort of famously changed to just like, 1169 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,359 Speaker 2: you know, if prices aren't going up for consumers, it's 1170 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 2: not a monopoly. And the entire benefit of a company 1171 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 2: was effectively assessed by how cheap can the prices possibly be? 1172 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 2: And you know, as labor protections were away, and the 1173 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,280 Speaker 2: minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation, 1174 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 2: and the core elements of a stable middle class lifestyle, 1175 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 2: namely house, education and healthcare, have skyrocketed and skyrocketed. 1176 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's easier to get a lot of cheap 1177 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 3: consumer goods. 1178 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 2: And I mean that really is the sort of foundation 1179 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 2: of the neoliberal era social contract. Now, you know, I 1180 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 2: think across the board tariffs is crazy. I think certain 1181 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 2: things that doesn't make any sense to make here, and 1182 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,360 Speaker 2: you are just driving up prices for really no good reason. 1183 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 2: But too, if you are actually thinking about shifting the 1184 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 2: American public away from seeing themselves not as citizens, not 1185 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 2: as family members, but first and foremost as consumers, which 1186 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 2: is what people have been trained to do, that is 1187 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 2: actually like a sort of revolutionary shift in the American mindset. 1188 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 2: Now do I think that people are prepared for that. 1189 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 2: I think that this is going to be backed by 1190 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 2: any sort of like other policy that can help us 1191 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 2: realize some other national or personal identity. No, I think 1192 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 2: it's mostly just gonna amount to people being pissed off 1193 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 2: that prices are a lot higher than they used to be. 1194 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, you haven't done anything to 1195 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 2: deal with my housing costs. You haven't done anything to 1196 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 2: deal with my healthcare costs, you haven't done anything to 1197 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 2: deal with my education costs. So it's just like pain 1198 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 2: with nothing to balance it out on the other side. 1199 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 2: But if you had that broader program, that would be 1200 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 2: something that I would be interested. 1201 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: It'd be amazing. Look, I just I know I've been 1202 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: talking a lot about how great Japan is, but you 1203 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: know what they lose in Japan. They buy quality goods. 1204 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,919 Speaker 1: They are also you know, when you buy clothing, there's 1205 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: an entire neighborhood called Shimo Tikozawa which is just vintage clothing. 1206 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, get I know thrifting is becoming popular and 1207 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: all that stuff here, but it is amazing just be 1208 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: in a country where things are made well and they 1209 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,080 Speaker 1: are built to last. Their bullet trains are from the nineties. 1210 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: You don't need to you know, when people are respectful 1211 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: and they don't trash the train, and there's not much 1212 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: a crime, and the stuff is actually well made and 1213 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: good turns out. You can use that shit for thirty 1214 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,560 Speaker 1: years and it doesn't break. It was a shocking transformative 1215 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 1: experience for me to be in a first world country 1216 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: which is not built on the bedrock of like cheap 1217 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 1: bullshit and consumption. 1218 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 4: It's amazing, you know, to see it for what it happens. 1219 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 2: And the Chinese have been very concerned, is like saying, 1220 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 2: we don't want to be just like consumption. 1221 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they do the US. They're fashion influencers. 1222 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: They're like, no, we don't allow this. You know, a 1223 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: lot of the you know, the oligarchs and all these 1224 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: other people, they have to leave the country to practice 1225 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: their conspicuous consumption. They can't do it back in China, 1226 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: and they can't brag about it on weed chat, you know, 1227 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. But anyways, this look as you said, Do 1228 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 1: I think America is ready to sacrifice its obsession with 1229 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 1: credit card debt and with target Black Friday sales? 1230 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 1231 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 2: But the more important and we can skip the TikTok 1232 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 2: influence the We're going to show you a video just 1233 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 2: of this lady who's like it got a stock up 1234 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 2: before the Trump terir just to show you. 1235 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 3: This as like paraded the culture. 1236 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 2: But the problem is you can't just raise prices and 1237 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 2: then not deal with the you know, core issues of 1238 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 2: like housing, wages, healthcare, education. And let's go and transition 1239 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 2: to this next part. Because while certain prices like consumer electronics, 1240 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 2: perfect example, the prices continue to go down and down 1241 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 2: and down. And this is sort of like the deal 1242 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 2: that's been offered to people is you can have a 1243 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 2: bunch of stuff like that, but you cannot own a home. 1244 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 2: And let's put this up on the screen. This is 1245 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,439 Speaker 2: Washington Post has new really extraordinary numbers about what's going 1246 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 2: on in the housing market. So first of all, the 1247 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 2: share of homes that are bought with all cash now 1248 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 2: a third, yep, a third of the market. And if 1249 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 2: you look they had a map in here too. If 1250 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,000 Speaker 2: you look at them, there are certain places where it's 1251 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 2: like a majority of the home purchases. 1252 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 3: Are all cash. 1253 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 2: Like if you're a young person with you know, a 1254 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 2: decent career, college educator, whatever, a professional, white collar and 1255 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,560 Speaker 2: you are trying to buy a home, like, who's going 1256 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,920 Speaker 2: to have six hundred thousand dollars just sitting in. 1257 00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 3: Oh, in the bank. 1258 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: I just looked at my neighborhood. Forty five percent all cash, 1259 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: and that is that this is a place where you know, 1260 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: you can't even buy anything for less than like eight 1261 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Who has one point two million sitting around? 1262 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, look, in reality, the way this stuff usually 1263 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,960 Speaker 1: works is they don't have one point two million, but 1264 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: they have a huge amount of stock assets and they 1265 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 1: borrow against that or whatever and use margin loan. This 1266 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 1: is all like stuff that very very rich people do 1267 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: all the time. But the point is is that they 1268 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 1: have an extraordinarily extraordinary net worth to draw upon. And 1269 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: what's actually crazier about the cash is not the is 1270 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,720 Speaker 1: not that, it's the effect that it has had on 1271 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,240 Speaker 1: the average home buyer in the United States. So we 1272 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: have this graph that's included here, which is very important. 1273 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and seven, the average home buyer 1274 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: in the United States was thirty nine years old. So 1275 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: by twenty eleven, after the new housing REGs kick in, 1276 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 1: the average home price takes up to forty five. Things 1277 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: start to stabilize around then and they start to climb 1278 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 1: twenty right before the pandemic, it hits a record of 1279 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,680 Speaker 1: forty seven. But then by twenty twenty two, after the 1280 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: massive increase in home prices, it jumps from forty five 1281 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 1: to fifty three, and in twenty twenty four, the average 1282 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,959 Speaker 1: home buyer in the United States is now fifty six 1283 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: years old. What's even more shocking about that, and this 1284 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: is a primary residence by the way, primary residence. Is 1285 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: that the average home buyer who is a first time 1286 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: buyer has now risen to thirty eight years old. That's 1287 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 1: from thirty five just last year, so aggurate increase of 1288 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: three years. That is three years of delayed life in 1289 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 1: just three Now consider that this is again primary residences. 1290 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: So you have boomers here amassing huge amounts of cash, 1291 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: using that cash to be able to put average you know, 1292 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: to be able to put all cash offers on houses, 1293 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: meaning anybody he's got a mortgage. Why would anybody even 1294 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: look at you? Right, somebody can just send me a 1295 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: wire transfer, easy, Right, I'm buying the house. But then 1296 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,080 Speaker 1: the other problem with this is we see already is 1297 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: that millennial wealth has actually increased over the last few years, 1298 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: and it's from people who are able to buy homes. Now, 1299 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: what we see though, inside of that is that while 1300 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: some of those people were able to buy it of 1301 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: their own accord, many of them were helped by their parents. 1302 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,160 Speaker 1: That's great, I think there's nothing wrong with that, But 1303 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: what it does mean is that if you're not lucky 1304 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: enough to have and to come from some generational wealth, 1305 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: you're screwed. And so when we're in an age of 1306 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 1: an average age of fifty six years old, that is 1307 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 1: late stage republic shit. Fifty six years old. If you're 1308 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: fifty six, you're three years away from being able to 1309 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,080 Speaker 1: withdraw from your freaking rat IRA. That's like, you know, 1310 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: when you're thirty eight. I mean, the average thirty eight 1311 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: year old in the United States has like two children, 1312 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: and you know, it is married, like that's well into life, 1313 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe like a ten year old or a twelve year 1314 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: old or something like that. You're renting that entire time 1315 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: and amassing zero equity and then now with a mortgage 1316 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: rate around seven percent. I mean, this is the most 1317 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: stark stat that I've seen in a long time. When 1318 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I read it, I honestly couldn't believe it. I go, 1319 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: fifty six years old, your life is mostly over at 1320 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: fifty six years old. Yeah, when you're in the average 1321 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: home buyer stat should be reversed. It should be thirty 1322 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 1: years old something like that for the average first time buyer. 1323 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: And then you know, we look, there's so many different 1324 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: policies in different areas. But this, by the way, will 1325 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,560 Speaker 1: be a major test for the Trump administration because if 1326 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 1: this does increase, you are going to see some crazy 1327 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: shit happen in four years. I just do not think 1328 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: that this is sustainable. We've had an exponential increase in 1329 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: the average age for the home buyer, in the average 1330 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: age for the first time and if you keep things 1331 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: this successible, if you think about that thirty five year 1332 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: old and you know now it's currently the thirty eight, 1333 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,800 Speaker 1: they're going to be like in their mid forties at 1334 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: the end of the Trump administration and they're like, Okay, 1335 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm still not being able to afford a house. What 1336 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 1: are we doing here? You know, I'm ten years away 1337 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,000 Speaker 1: from retirement. Yeah, or at least retirement age allegedly. That's crazy. 1338 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1339 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 2: This is where the abundance agenda people have a point. 1340 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Is like you, because you need a variety of solutions. 1341 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 2: You need you do need a massive surge in building 1342 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 2: and you know of housing into the market. You need 1343 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 2: the government to be involved in that because oftentimes, you know, 1344 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 2: the housing units that are built are not geared towards 1345 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 2: affordability or even you know, first time home buyers. So 1346 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 2: you need government involved in that potentially also something like 1347 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,960 Speaker 2: what Kamlo is proposing assistance with that down payment for 1348 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 2: first time home buyers, because that also is a real 1349 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,280 Speaker 2: sumbling block for a lot of people. And you got 1350 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 2: to get you got to get permanent capital out of 1351 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 2: these markets, like it needs to go to human beings first. 1352 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,480 Speaker 2: And that's not the only thing that's going on here, 1353 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 2: but the dramatic introduction of permanent capital into these markets 1354 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,120 Speaker 2: where they're buying up entire trailer parks, they're buying up 1355 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,400 Speaker 2: entire neighborhoods and pushing out regular homeowners and then renting 1356 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 2: them back to them. That also has to be dealt with. 1357 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,479 Speaker 2: And then you've got the rental side of this too, 1358 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 2: with the collusion that has significantly raised rental prices that 1359 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 2: you know, continues to basically rob people. That's got to 1360 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,280 Speaker 2: be dealt with as well. So there's a lot that 1361 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 2: needs to be done. But you know, just so I 1362 01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,959 Speaker 2: think we have one more graphic we can show you guys, 1363 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 2: to show the increase over time of homes bought all cash. 1364 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 2: And you can see in every single market that they 1365 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 2: list here, over time, more and more and more. 1366 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 3: Of the sales are all cash. 1367 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 2: So Number one, Naples, Florida, now sixty percent, sixty percent 1368 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 2: of that market is all cash if you don't have 1369 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 2: the money sitting in your bank account or able to 1370 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 2: obtain with a loan against your stock market holdings or 1371 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,080 Speaker 2: whatever for mom and dad. For yet about it just crazy. 1372 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,920 Speaker 2: Look at Augusta, Georgia. There went from twenty three percent 1373 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 2: all cash just in twenty eighteen. We're not talking about 1374 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,439 Speaker 2: decades ago. 1375 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen. 1376 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,880 Speaker 2: That feels like a blink of an eye ago to 1377 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,800 Speaker 2: forty two percent now, you know, heading up towards a 1378 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 2: majority of the market. It's that's wild to see the 1379 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,280 Speaker 2: way that trend has unfolded. 1380 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,800 Speaker 1: The whole thing is crazy. And if you look at 1381 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: all these places, unfortunately, these are a lot of places 1382 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: where a lot of Americans want to move too, right, 1383 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: So new people who are coming in are having a 1384 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 1: lot of difficulty. I just checked Naples, Florida. You can 1385 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: have a house anywhere from what four million into four 1386 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,040 Speaker 1: hundred thousand, But that's that's a lot of money, no 1387 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,440 Speaker 1: matter what. In Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, they have Winston, 1388 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: North Carolina, they're on the list. New Orleans they have 1389 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: there on the list, Miami, Jacksonville, Augusta. All of these 1390 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: are places with huge net in migration from across the country. 1391 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,080 Speaker 1: It makes me also feel for. 1392 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 2: That property insurance situation down in Florida. Maybe changing the 1393 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,080 Speaker 2: game there, certainly true Miami in particular. 1394 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, even looking around this, you know, 1395 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. In the Georgetown neighborhood, one 1396 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of the richest neighborhoods here in Washington, sixty seven percent 1397 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: of houses are being bought with all cash. You can't 1398 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 1: even buy a house there for less than two million dollars. 1399 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's outrageous to me. I honestly 1400 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,760 Speaker 1: can't believe it. You know, even looking at it. Some 1401 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: of the places that I've lived in the past here 1402 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: in Washington are looking around forty six, forty seven, fifty 1403 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,200 Speaker 1: sixty percent. You know, it's like, what what are people 1404 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: supposed to You might as well be you better be 1405 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: a damn good defense contractor. 1406 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 3: To be you better be selling your soul for really. 1407 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, And that's the other thing is the reality 1408 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,920 Speaker 1: has major implications in terms of this has major implications 1409 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 1: too for choices that people make. So everyone's always talking 1410 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 1: about like, why don't the elite members of society pursue 1411 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: public service? It's like, well, debt is a huge part 1412 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I went to school with a 1413 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of people who wanted to work in public service, 1414 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,200 Speaker 1: and by and large almost all of them are now 1415 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 1: corporate lawyers. And they it's not because they want to, 1416 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,480 Speaker 1: but you know, you get to rock up two hundred 1417 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,320 Speaker 1: grand in debt two fifty three hundred, you don't have 1418 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot of choice. They don't even want to do it, 1419 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: but they have to, and that story goes on forever. 1420 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: This is the same case with a lot of people 1421 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,480 Speaker 1: who attend Harvard or Yale. You know, if you do so, 1422 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 1: you're looking at roughly one hundred thousand dollars probably or 1423 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: so in student debt with no financial assistance. I think 1424 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: that's on the lower end. But again, like it makes 1425 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,360 Speaker 1: sense why you go to McKinsey. Same with doctors. This 1426 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,920 Speaker 1: is a major conversation in medicine. Everyone's decrying the fall 1427 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 1: of the family practice of the people with a small 1428 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,160 Speaker 1: practice and less patients. The reason why they go work 1429 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 1: at hospital will guarantee you cut paycheck four hundred grand 1430 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: a year. Boom. I've got three hundred grand in debt. 1431 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm not taking a risk. I'm doing a small business. 1432 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Maybe when I'm fifty. You know, it's one of those 1433 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,040 Speaker 1: where all of these things have cascading effects throughout the 1434 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 1: US economy, and it's it's genuinely devastating for a lot 1435 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: of people out there. So if you were the thirty 1436 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,680 Speaker 1: eight year old and you still can't buy I feel free, 1437 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Man's that's devastating. I don't know how it feels. Because 1438 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,840 Speaker 1: you're the first generation to know with absolute certainty as 1439 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,080 Speaker 1: an American citizen that you are worse off than your 1440 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,800 Speaker 1: parents and even your grandparents who grew up in the boomerage. 1441 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:34,519 Speaker 1: It's just crazy. 1442 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, Yeah, sad. 1443 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the assisted dying conversation. This 1444 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: is very interesting actually, and so there has been a 1445 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:51,160 Speaker 1: major consternation, I guess you could say, debate, debate, debate 1446 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 1: over the quote unquote assistant dying bill in the UK. 1447 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: This is kind of becoming a trend in Western Anglo 1448 01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: nations or not the United States, and I'm sure it 1449 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 1: will come here soon at a federal level after our 1450 01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 1: own experiments in Oregon and a few other places. So 1451 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,520 Speaker 1: here we have an interview of the lawmaker who's explaining 1452 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,799 Speaker 1: the bill, which did eventually pass through the UK Parliament. 1453 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,559 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 1454 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,400 Speaker 5: I think for me as a parliamentarian, we have a 1455 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 5: duty to fix things that aren't right. And if I 1456 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,679 Speaker 5: look at the status quo in terms of the law 1457 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,200 Speaker 5: around end of life choices for people, it's not. 1458 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:24,920 Speaker 1: Fit for purpose. 1459 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,719 Speaker 5: We've got people who are having harrowing, horrible deaths because 1460 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,960 Speaker 5: even with in some cases the very best palliative care, their. 1461 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,840 Speaker 3: Needs cannot be met. 1462 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,879 Speaker 5: We've also got people who are taking their own lives 1463 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,240 Speaker 5: in really tragic circumstances. And we've got people who do 1464 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 5: have the choice ofness is to death, but only in 1465 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 5: a different country. So if they can afford to spend 1466 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 5: thousands of pounds traveling and also doing so often prematurely, 1467 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 5: while they're still well enough to do so. So if 1468 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,519 Speaker 5: we look at that situation, of which there is no 1469 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,920 Speaker 5: real legal framework around it, that can't be right. And 1470 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,200 Speaker 5: I think we have got a duty as legislators to 1471 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,479 Speaker 5: fix that situation. And we have consult widely on the bill, 1472 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 5: whether that's legal professionals, whether that's medical people, paliative care experts, 1473 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,479 Speaker 5: disability activists, but speaking to the British Medical Association and 1474 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,320 Speaker 5: speaking to doctors with experience at the end of life, 1475 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,080 Speaker 5: it's easier to define that period the closest someone is 1476 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,600 Speaker 5: to death. So there are people who would want the 1477 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,160 Speaker 5: bill to go further and look at conditions without an 1478 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,719 Speaker 5: actual diagnosis, and I understand their frustration that the bill 1479 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,160 Speaker 5: doesn't do that, but actually that six month period is 1480 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,240 Speaker 5: much easier for medical practitioners to know when someone is 1481 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 5: approaching those final few months. 1482 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,679 Speaker 1: So that's what's in the bill. According to her, let's 1483 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,000 Speaker 1: put this on the screen from the BBC in terms 1484 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: of what is actually again, here's the requirements. To be 1485 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,000 Speaker 1: able to take part in the Terminally Ill End of 1486 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,680 Speaker 1: Life Bill. It be the resident of England registered with 1487 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,880 Speaker 1: the GP for twelve months. They must have the mental 1488 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: capacity to make the choice and deemed to have expressed 1489 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,559 Speaker 1: a clear, settled and informed wish free from coercion or pressure. 1490 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 1: They must be expected to die within six months. They 1491 01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: must take two separate declarations witnessed and signed by them 1492 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: or a proxy on their behalf, but their wish to die. 1493 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,400 Speaker 1: Two independent doctors must be satisfied the person as eligible. 1494 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,680 Speaker 1: There must be at least seven days between the doctor's assessments, 1495 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,680 Speaker 1: and a High Court judge must hear from any at 1496 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,639 Speaker 1: least one doctor and question the dying person or anyone 1497 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 1: else they consider appropriate. Further fourteen days after the judges 1498 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 1: made the ruling. All this can be shortened two forty 1499 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 1: eight hours. In some circumstances. Under the bill, the doctor 1500 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,040 Speaker 1: can prepare the quote unquote approved substance, but the person 1501 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 1: themselves must take the dose, and you commit suicide. It 1502 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: has to be self administered. So what's interesting about it 1503 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 1: is that it has there's that kind of a horseshoe 1504 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: theory about people who opposed it. One of them was 1505 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbin, the former leader of the Labor Party. Let's 1506 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,639 Speaker 1: put this on the screen. For example, He says, thank 1507 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,160 Speaker 1: you to all of those who have written to me 1508 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 1: about the terminally ill end of life bill. I want 1509 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,840 Speaker 1: to take the time to explain why I'm voting against 1510 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,320 Speaker 1: the legislation. I understand why people feel so passionately, et cetera. 1511 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: But choice at the end of life can only be 1512 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,000 Speaker 1: meaningful in a system where everybody has access to the 1513 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,439 Speaker 1: best palliaty of care possible. But chronic underfunding has left 1514 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: many of those suffering from eternal illness without the support 1515 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,200 Speaker 1: they need. Without addressing these deficiencies, the legislation puts the poorest, 1516 01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: the elderly, and the disabled people at risk of serious 1517 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,479 Speaker 1: neglect and discrimination. He says, we urgently need to address 1518 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 1: the appalling state of palliative care by reversing years of 1519 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,519 Speaker 1: austerity and privatization. This could be part of a broader 1520 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,760 Speaker 1: imperative to build a national care service freely available to 1521 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,599 Speaker 1: all of those who need it. So that was from 1522 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,519 Speaker 1: the left. From the right. We also had somebody like 1523 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: Nigel Faraj from the Reform Party speak out against it. 1524 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,200 Speaker 1: He says, I voted against the assisted Dying Bill not 1525 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,600 Speaker 1: out of lack of compassion, but because I fear the 1526 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,639 Speaker 1: law will widen in scope. If that happens, the right 1527 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: to die may become the obligation to die. And so 1528 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 1: that is of course the you know, like a slippery 1529 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,559 Speaker 1: slope argument. I'll tell you this. I think I agree 1530 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 1: with Nigel, and it's because of the results out of Canada, 1531 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,880 Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a little bit, you know. 1532 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,720 Speaker 1: On its face and by the way, keep in mind, 1533 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm not Christian. I know there's a whole that's a 1534 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: whole other level of discourse around suicide et cetera. So 1535 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,840 Speaker 1: if you're looking for that, go to Rostouthat or somebody 1536 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,960 Speaker 1: else about civilization, Christianity, and the spiritual arguments against this. 1537 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 1: On a basic level, I think most people can understand 1538 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,200 Speaker 1: and empathize with the idea of wanting to end your 1539 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,680 Speaker 1: life about quote unquote six months. But the results out 1540 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,240 Speaker 1: of Canada do show that there are cases, and I 1541 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,880 Speaker 1: think the case should it's not a lot, probably five percent, 1542 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,120 Speaker 1: but it's still there are some five percent of cases 1543 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: that in an expanded law and regime of assisted suicide 1544 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,640 Speaker 1: do take place where they're poor or they're depressed, and 1545 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,760 Speaker 1: I just think that any legal regime which allows for 1546 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: that is just deeply grotesque, especially in a system of 1547 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,439 Speaker 1: what we have right now, So outside of the realm 1548 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,920 Speaker 1: of quote unquot assistant suicide, et cetera, even in a 1549 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: spiritual level, I do think opening this up as Canada 1550 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,559 Speaker 1: has done is a very cautionary tale about and this 1551 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,000 Speaker 1: is kind of what Corbin gets to as well, is 1552 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you think about even even in a 1553 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,280 Speaker 1: system like the UK, being poor in the UK, it's 1554 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,639 Speaker 1: still worse than being rich, as people see people who 1555 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 1: are rich in the UK, it's still live long even 1556 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: when you have universal health care. Why they have access 1557 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,040 Speaker 1: to better healthcare. It's like, well, when you have access 1558 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: to worse health care and then you have worse health outcomes, 1559 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,320 Speaker 1: then you're more likely to take place and to get 1560 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,280 Speaker 1: into a place where you need to quote unquote to 1561 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 1: commit assisted suicide. So I think it really does show 1562 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,439 Speaker 1: the starkest and the most grotesque parts the underbelly of 1563 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,120 Speaker 1: what the reality of the system looks like, even in 1564 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 1: a place with universal health care. And if something like 1565 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,639 Speaker 1: this would ever come to the United States, you can 1566 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,680 Speaker 1: just imagine what the uptook, what it would be. It 1567 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,880 Speaker 1: would be people on Medicaid, it'd be you know, the uninsured, 1568 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,479 Speaker 1: it would be predominantly the people the worst health outcomes 1569 01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,320 Speaker 1: in the US are all the poorest, you know, all 1570 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,360 Speaker 1: rates of cancer, obesity, et cetera. So I just think 1571 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,479 Speaker 1: it's a very very cautionary tale. But I understand it's 1572 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,360 Speaker 1: very frog conversation. 1573 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear all those arguments. I mean, the two 1574 01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,479 Speaker 2: major ones are the ones that Nigel Farrage and Jeremy 1575 01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,559 Speaker 2: Corbyn offered. So Farage is basically like it's a slippery slope, 1576 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 2: so he doesn't even object to the bill as it is, 1577 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 2: which just to reiterate, this b bill in which will 1578 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,080 Speaker 2: apply to England and Wales to start with, is just 1579 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 2: for terminally ill patients, and it's patients who have had 1580 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,640 Speaker 2: a you have six months or less to live diagnosis. 1581 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,320 Speaker 2: There is a significantly onerous process that you have to 1582 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 2: get to in order to you know, get this determination 1583 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 2: and allow you to avail yourself of the rights in 1584 01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 2: this bill. To me, that strikes the right balance. You know, 1585 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,640 Speaker 2: I guess I'm sort of like a centrist on this 1586 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,559 Speaker 2: issue because what has made the Canada example fraud is 1587 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,519 Speaker 2: they have opened it up to people who also have 1588 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 2: mental illness, and that to me is a bridge too 1589 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,960 Speaker 2: far because within the UK, what you're talking about is 1590 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,479 Speaker 2: people who are they're already going to die, So it's 1591 01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,960 Speaker 2: not like they're choosing death. Death has already nature has 1592 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,479 Speaker 2: already chosen death for them. They're choosing how to do 1593 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,320 Speaker 2: it on their own terms. And you know, I have 1594 01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,840 Speaker 2: personally known people who have struggled with this at the 1595 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,120 Speaker 2: end of their life and do not want to suffer 1596 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 2: and for months on and in excruciating pain and in 1597 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,160 Speaker 2: miserable circumstances and want to have the right to die 1598 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,200 Speaker 2: with dignity. 1599 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,360 Speaker 3: I fully support that. 1600 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,080 Speaker 2: So you know, I don't really buy the slippery slope 1601 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,680 Speaker 2: argument because look, we're voting, they're voting on this particular 1602 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 2: law at this particular time. The debate down the road. 1603 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,760 Speaker 2: If someone tries to push it to the next level, 1604 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,479 Speaker 2: then you can oppose that at that time. So I 1605 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 2: don't really buy the slippery slope argument. And then I 1606 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,840 Speaker 2: even though you know, I respect Jeremy Corbyn and his 1607 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,520 Speaker 2: analysis here, I also think it's one of these situations 1608 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 2: where with all policy, you kind of have to deal 1609 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 2: with the system as it exists currently. You're not going 1610 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,679 Speaker 2: to get to some time or you have the socialist 1611 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,800 Speaker 2: utopia and all of the social ills are solved. You 1612 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 2: have to deal with the reality as it exists. So 1613 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 2: while of course they should continue to fight for better 1614 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,479 Speaker 2: palliative care, I guarantee they have better palliative care there 1615 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 2: than we do here, in better healthcare system in general 1616 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,439 Speaker 2: than we do here, etc. So while you continue that fight, 1617 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,200 Speaker 2: you also have to give people the right to have 1618 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,800 Speaker 2: that dignity and choice at their end of their life, 1619 01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,720 Speaker 2: and I'll give you another you know, an example here 1620 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,479 Speaker 2: that maybe Sager you'll respond to is there are a 1621 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:11,639 Speaker 2: lot of lefties who argue, like, you cannot crack down 1622 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 2: on crime because we have all of these social ills, 1623 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,000 Speaker 2: and so it's like, okay, so we have to be 1624 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,479 Speaker 2: able to achieve the grand socialist utopia before we're able 1625 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,839 Speaker 2: to penalize people who are genuinely harming others and creating victims. 1626 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,880 Speaker 2: And I don't, you know, I don't really buy that. 1627 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,679 Speaker 2: We have to live in the system as it exists. 1628 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,240 Speaker 2: And yes, we continue to fight for anti poverty programs 1629 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 2: and continue to fight for you know, all of those 1630 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,240 Speaker 2: like labor rights and all of those things, but you 1631 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 2: also have to make sure that people are able to 1632 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,679 Speaker 2: exist and there's some level of order in the system 1633 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,280 Speaker 2: that we have right now. Same thing with abortion. You know, 1634 01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 2: this would be an argument you can make against abortion 1635 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,679 Speaker 2: rights of like, well, some women are poor, and maybe 1636 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 2: if they weren't poor, maybe they wouldn't choose this for themselves. 1637 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,439 Speaker 2: Right now, that's absolutely the case. But again, we can't 1638 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,800 Speaker 2: wait for some potentially never coming day when we have 1639 01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,080 Speaker 2: some glorious utopia where all social ills are dealt with. 1640 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,559 Speaker 2: You have to deal with society as it exists and 1641 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,880 Speaker 2: try to improve people's lives in the best way that 1642 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:09,720 Speaker 2: you possibly can't think. 1643 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,640 Speaker 3: So that's that's where I come from. 1644 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: I think it's all very well taken and it's one 1645 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,520 Speaker 1: of those though I want us all to just acknowledge 1646 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,840 Speaker 1: the reality sometimes of what this stuff means, because unfortunately, 1647 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, we cherry pick examples. But I remember once 1648 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 1: you know this, people were talking about the topic of 1649 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,760 Speaker 1: abortion and they were like, in Iceland or I think 1650 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,760 Speaker 1: it was Denmark, I forget which nation it is, They're like, 1651 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,000 Speaker 1: we have eradicated Down syndrome and I was like, well, 1652 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 1: what does that mean. It means you have a one 1653 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,599 Speaker 1: hundred percent abortion rate for people who have Down syndrome 1654 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,559 Speaker 1: in the womb. I mean, let's all be honest, you 1655 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,320 Speaker 1: know about what that is. It's sick, right, it's sick, 1656 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 1: and like that's that's eugenics. Like, let's be honest. A 1657 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,679 Speaker 1: lot of people make that choice. It's a free country. 1658 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,200 Speaker 1: You don't understand it. But it's one of those where 1659 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,360 Speaker 1: we should acknowledge what that means, the reality of you know, 1660 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,240 Speaker 1: we try to paper over this stuff, you know, Ross 1661 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,680 Speaker 1: actually put it really well in his he was talking 1662 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,600 Speaker 1: about Canada. He says, it is barbaric to establish a 1663 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,519 Speaker 1: bureaucratic system that offers death as a reliable treatment for 1664 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,880 Speaker 1: suffering and enlists the healing profession in delivering this cure. 1665 01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,240 Speaker 1: And while there may be worse evils ahead, this is 1666 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,360 Speaker 1: in a slippery slope argument. When ten thousand people are 1667 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,840 Speaker 1: availing themselves of your euthanasia system every year, you have 1668 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,640 Speaker 1: already entered the dystopia. And so that gets to the 1669 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,559 Speaker 1: Canadian figures. 1670 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,720 Speaker 2: What I disagree with there in the narrow confines of 1671 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 2: what we're talking about in the UK, which is significantly 1672 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,120 Speaker 2: different than the Canadian context. What has just passed into 1673 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 2: law here is that people aren't choosing death. They are 1674 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,679 Speaker 2: going to die well, but they're given this allows them 1675 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,200 Speaker 2: to go out on their own terms. And that is 1676 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,679 Speaker 2: the narrow confines within which I am okay with it, 1677 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,519 Speaker 2: not only okay with where I actively support it. I 1678 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,320 Speaker 2: think it is the right and more moral position to 1679 01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,479 Speaker 2: give people that opportunity to go out with dignity and 1680 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,320 Speaker 2: with vastly less pain at the end of their lives. 1681 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,559 Speaker 2: So to me, that distinction is really important and that's 1682 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,439 Speaker 2: why you know again, And I guess I'm sort of 1683 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,160 Speaker 2: like a centrist on this issue. Why I don't think 1684 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,479 Speaker 2: expanding it to people who are mentally ill, who may 1685 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,600 Speaker 2: be in I'm not diminishing their pain and suffering like 1686 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,840 Speaker 2: they may be an extraordinary psychological and sometimes also physical pain. 1687 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,880 Speaker 2: But psychologists have a very difficult time determining, even in 1688 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,280 Speaker 2: cases of so called treatment resistant depression, yes, exactly whether 1689 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,760 Speaker 2: people are going to be permanently afflicted with this or 1690 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 2: if there may be some life change or just as 1691 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,559 Speaker 2: you get older, or some new treatment. But psychologists are 1692 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,479 Speaker 2: very bad at predicting whether this is going to be 1693 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,720 Speaker 2: a permanent state of psychological distress for any given individual. 1694 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,800 Speaker 3: And so in that. 1695 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Case, I do feel that the moral calculus is quite different, 1696 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 2: and to offer people rather than we're going to keep trying, 1697 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 2: we're going to keep fighting, we're going to get you 1698 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,120 Speaker 2: through this, like we want you here with us and 1699 01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,720 Speaker 2: among us, and we value you, instead of that being 1700 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,920 Speaker 2: the message, having even the possibility that the message would be, 1701 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,800 Speaker 2: like you know, we could help you off yourself. I 1702 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,840 Speaker 2: think that's horrible. I genuinely think that's horrible. But that's 1703 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,559 Speaker 2: not what's being contemplated in the UK. And so that's 1704 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,400 Speaker 2: why I feel like they have drawn the boundaries in 1705 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 2: a way that is, you know, basically correct and with 1706 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,280 Speaker 2: a lot of thought towards like the morals and ethics 1707 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,000 Speaker 2: of the situation. 1708 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,839 Speaker 1: I think, well, look, America is becoming much more secular. 1709 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,160 Speaker 1: We're the most secular country that we've ever been, you know, 1710 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,960 Speaker 1: in our modern history. This is gonna come just I 1711 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,320 Speaker 1: can guarantee you. You know, even outside of the Oregon context, 1712 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,080 Speaker 1: that was a big what was in the nineties, maybe 1713 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,600 Speaker 1: the two thousands, it was a big culture war. But 1714 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,000 Speaker 1: I can see it in a federal level for somebody 1715 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,719 Speaker 1: at least at somebody's going to propose this legislation or something. 1716 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,599 Speaker 1: So that's why I wanted to talk about this because 1717 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,360 Speaker 1: across the anglosphere this is happening now, this is going 1718 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,880 Speaker 1: to be policy, and actually thinking about the reality of 1719 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,879 Speaker 1: what it looks like in practice, etc. What the rules 1720 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,880 Speaker 1: and the confines and all that stuff should be. It's 1721 01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,599 Speaker 1: really important because otherwise, you know, look like the candid 1722 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,679 Speaker 1: thing I just keep coming back to because it started 1723 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,120 Speaker 1: off exactly like what we're talking about here, and then 1724 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years later, four percent of all debts 1725 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,920 Speaker 1: in Canada are assistant suicide. And you're like, whoa, what, Yeah, 1726 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,639 Speaker 1: like I said, ninety six percent are terminally ill. Great, 1727 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, I guess within the context of that. 1728 01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,439 Speaker 2: But if you could feel comfortable it would stay with 1729 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,200 Speaker 2: terminally ill people, would you support them? 1730 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the problem is just that 1731 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,719 Speaker 1: with all government policy, it's just you know, in terms 1732 01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: of the rules and like you just said about the definition. 1733 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,680 Speaker 1: And then here's the crazy part too, it's like, what 1734 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,519 Speaker 1: about you know, advances in medical science. I mean, already 1735 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: there are certain types of cancers which have effectively been 1736 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,960 Speaker 1: eradicated or are completely you know, able to treat just 1737 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,800 Speaker 1: in the last five ten years, or if you're going. 1738 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,600 Speaker 3: To die in six months. It's not very vanishing. 1739 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,320 Speaker 1: People say that, but there are a lot of there 1740 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 1: are cases of people who beat the odds, you know, 1741 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,519 Speaker 1: And so you're like, well, what if you make a 1742 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,439 Speaker 1: dec is their misdiagnosis you know that happens. What if 1743 01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,360 Speaker 1: somebody does kill themselves based on upon a misdiagnosis? There 1744 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,400 Speaker 1: are enough cases on the edges and all that that 1745 01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think this is a this 1746 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,719 Speaker 1: is a really a gray area quote unquote. There's also 1747 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,240 Speaker 1: you know the question of Alzheimer's right, you know, and 1748 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,400 Speaker 1: the informed consent, your ability to even make a decision, 1749 01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,880 Speaker 1: like are you lucid when you make that decision? Are 1750 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,080 Speaker 1: you not? You know, especially if you look at the 1751 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,879 Speaker 1: death numbers for cancers and a lot of they're afflicting 1752 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,960 Speaker 1: people well into their eighties. Who determines whether they're of 1753 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,479 Speaker 1: a sound mind. Maybe when they're in a lucid state, 1754 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,200 Speaker 1: they don't want to die, when they're in a lot 1755 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,040 Speaker 1: of pain, they do, you know. So, I mean the 1756 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: edge cases in that moral quality. 1757 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,799 Speaker 2: I mean, that's why they built into this a lot 1758 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,559 Speaker 2: of like time and constraints and checks to make sure 1759 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,000 Speaker 2: that you don't have, you know, a flippant decision made 1760 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,240 Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, someone who may not have 1761 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,800 Speaker 2: really wanted to die has died. And I mean, just 1762 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of similar to how I feel 1763 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,960 Speaker 2: about the issue of choice. I do think these issues 1764 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,080 Speaker 2: are extremely fraud. I think they're morally fraud. I think 1765 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,559 Speaker 2: they're you know, personally fraud. 1766 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:51,559 Speaker 3: I think they're very. 1767 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,600 Speaker 2: Difficult, and that's why I feel like the person themselves 1768 01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,920 Speaker 2: and their families at the you know, in these narrow 1769 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,000 Speaker 2: circumstances where you have received a clear cut terminally ill 1770 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,599 Speaker 2: you're going to be dead within six months diagnosis, leaving 1771 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:09,080 Speaker 2: it up to the individual and their families rather than 1772 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 2: like government legislation. In my opinion, that is the best 1773 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 2: way to deal with situations that are inherently morally and 1774 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,519 Speaker 2: ethically and personally fraud. 1775 01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense. All right, let's get to AOC. 1776 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,240 Speaker 2: So there has been a lot of chatter about potential 1777 01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,080 Speaker 2: AOC twenty twenty eight. Bid I have to say, a 1778 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,320 Speaker 2: lot of the chatter so I like to put this 1779 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,160 Speaker 2: tear sheet up on the screen seem to assert that 1780 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,639 Speaker 2: AOC herself had floated this idea that she would run 1781 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight. But that doesn't I mean, at 1782 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,320 Speaker 2: least publicly, we don't have any reporting to confirm that. 1783 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,519 Speaker 2: But anyway, here's an article from the Hill basically saying 1784 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,559 Speaker 2: that people are talking about not underestimating her, et cetera, 1785 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:46,960 Speaker 2: et cetera. 1786 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,560 Speaker 3: So it does spark an interesting discussion about. 1787 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:53,759 Speaker 2: Whether she would be an effective messenger and national standard 1788 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,679 Speaker 2: bearer for the Democratic Party. We do have a little 1789 01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,880 Speaker 2: way too premature pulling up a potential twenty twenty eight 1790 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 2: Democratic primary field. Let's put this up on the screen, 1791 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,920 Speaker 2: and you got Kamala Harris coming in at forty one percent. 1792 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of gross to see that they're 1793 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,600 Speaker 2: given that she just failed. But it's also just like 1794 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,519 Speaker 2: me mighty, you know, like people are like, oh, I 1795 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:13,519 Speaker 2: don't know the last lady. 1796 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,280 Speaker 3: I guess her eight percent. 1797 01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,479 Speaker 2: You got Gavin seven percent, Josh Shapiro six percent, Pee 1798 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,679 Speaker 2: bootageje Tim Walls, and AOC coming in at four percent. 1799 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,920 Speaker 2: I also want to put in a note here that 1800 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,600 Speaker 2: John Fetterman does not even achieve one percent, So I 1801 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,320 Speaker 2: was kind of happy to see that. But in any case, 1802 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,639 Speaker 2: four percent, you know, it's not nothing, but it's also 1803 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,040 Speaker 2: not exactly where you'd want to start on. I mean, look, 1804 01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,040 Speaker 2: I don't have AOC arrangements the like I think AOC 1805 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,679 Speaker 2: on a lot of issues is aligned with me. I think, 1806 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,880 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's better she's in the house 1807 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,559 Speaker 2: versus Joseph Crowley. I don't think she would be an 1808 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,320 Speaker 2: effective national messenger because she just she has done too 1809 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:53,840 Speaker 2: much of this. She's too much associated with this like identitarian, 1810 01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,000 Speaker 2: woke academic language, and I think it would be very 1811 01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,840 Speaker 2: hard for her to shake that off at this point 1812 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,760 Speaker 2: because it has been such a central part of the brain. 1813 01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean, she when Bernie went on Rogan, she was 1814 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,840 Speaker 2: one of those I have said about it, so hear 1815 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,680 Speaker 2: from you know again, I appreciated her, and I do 1816 01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,600 Speaker 2: think she has done a better job messaging recently and 1817 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,479 Speaker 2: has sort of adjusted her approach. And that's great. And 1818 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,719 Speaker 2: obviously she did very well in her district. She actually 1819 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,240 Speaker 2: there were a lot of people we interviewed who were 1820 01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,080 Speaker 2: AOC Trump voters. Will get to that in a moment, 1821 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,439 Speaker 2: but for me, I would like to see someone who 1822 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,479 Speaker 2: was more clearly grounded in a left populist economic message, 1823 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,600 Speaker 2: like a Sean Fain who's the president of the UAW, 1824 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,640 Speaker 2: who I think is kind of like the ideal messenger, 1825 01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,679 Speaker 2: who has so much credibility about working people of all 1826 01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,680 Speaker 2: stripes and universal programs and being able to speak to 1827 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,080 Speaker 2: people in rural and urban and suburban areas. 1828 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 3: To me, that's really the model. 1829 01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean my take, which is consistent now 1830 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 1: across is I don't think that the Democratic nominee will 1831 01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,960 Speaker 1: be any of these people. So even looking at Kamala Gavin, 1832 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,360 Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, beat Boodo, Judge Tim Walls, aoc Wretchen, Whitmer, 1833 01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,560 Speaker 1: jab Pritzker. 1834 01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,240 Speaker 3: You have more hope for the Democratic Party than I do. 1835 01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,120 Speaker 1: So I just think that at a basic level, what will, 1836 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,280 Speaker 1: what has to happen, is that out of chaos love 1837 01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, chaos loves a vacuum. And if we look 1838 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,519 Speaker 1: at all precedents, twenty twelve, the Republican Party has no 1839 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,679 Speaker 1: idea what to do. Mitt Romney loses and the base 1840 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: loses it over immigration. In twenty fourteen, no establishment Republican 1841 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,840 Speaker 1: is capable of filling that void. Donald Trump comes down 1842 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,200 Speaker 1: the escalator blows it out. Nineteen ninety two. Again, if 1843 01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,040 Speaker 1: you look at the polling going into ninety one, of 1844 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 1: all of the people that they thought were going to win, 1845 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,519 Speaker 1: it was Jerry Brown. I don't even remember the guy 1846 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,519 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts, whoever the senator was at that time. After 1847 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,400 Speaker 1: the devastating loss of Ducaucus, Bill Clinton is like number 1848 01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,680 Speaker 1: ten on the list. You can go and look at 1849 01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,040 Speaker 1: the debates on the debate stage, it's hilarious. He's like 1850 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,720 Speaker 1: off to the side somewhere, and he wins in ninety two. 1851 01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,559 Speaker 1: The point is is that coming out of those it's 1852 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,000 Speaker 1: always somebody who you don't expect, and it's somebody who 1853 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: can fill in a vacuum which the current establishment is 1854 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,320 Speaker 1: not able to do. The Democratic Party is back to 1855 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,760 Speaker 1: that level where their leadership has no credibility. And I've 1856 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,719 Speaker 1: said this too. Who is the base of the Democratic 1857 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,960 Speaker 1: Party today? It's rich white people. The one thing you 1858 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,519 Speaker 1: can give rich white people, they want to win, So 1859 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,840 Speaker 1: whoever they think is going to win, they will vote 1860 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:24,080 Speaker 1: for them. 1861 01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,120 Speaker 3: I think these people can win those us. That's my 1862 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:26,639 Speaker 3: thing is. 1863 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,479 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you think Gavin Newsom is gonna win? I 1864 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:29,000 Speaker 1: don't think no. 1865 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:29,439 Speaker 5: I think. 1866 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I kind of do. I mean, I 1867 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:32,800 Speaker 3: hope you're right. 1868 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,559 Speaker 2: I want to be wrong, trust me, And I think 1869 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,760 Speaker 2: there's a possibility for it because I do think that 1870 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,800 Speaker 2: the kind of liberal establishment approach the Trump era has 1871 01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 2: been thoroughly slayed. And I think next time that you 1872 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,720 Speaker 2: have a left populace who runs, I think they can 1873 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,920 Speaker 2: relentlessly say that the neoliberals like Gavin Newsom and Pete 1874 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,880 Speaker 2: Boudaget Gratcha, like the standard issue people, these are the people. 1875 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,600 Speaker 3: Who are not electable. 1876 01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:00,040 Speaker 2: Yes, right, That was wielded so effectively against Bernie in 1877 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,839 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and especially in twenty twenty, it was wielded 1878 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,920 Speaker 2: so effectively. Now I think the tables have turned where 1879 01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,120 Speaker 2: you do have a chance to make that argument that 1880 01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,800 Speaker 2: like no, no, no, the left popular, We're not the 1881 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,559 Speaker 2: unelected you people, you're the unelectable one. And I do 1882 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,360 Speaker 2: think it will carry more weight. And the institutions like 1883 01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:21,519 Speaker 2: MSNBC that carried the narrative of no, only establishment democrats 1884 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,200 Speaker 2: who we personally like those are the only people who 1885 01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,719 Speaker 2: can get elected. So there's a chance. There's a chance. However, 1886 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,840 Speaker 2: I do think that there are a lot of affluent 1887 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,880 Speaker 2: liberals who do largely make. 1888 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,560 Speaker 3: Up the base of the party, who feel. 1889 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,599 Speaker 2: Like they love Pete Bootage going on Fox News and 1890 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,599 Speaker 2: giving them the business and these other like very highly educated, 1891 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,920 Speaker 2: technocratic vibe people who are you know, more much more 1892 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 2: verbally sort of capable than Kamala Harris, but by and 1893 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,120 Speaker 2: large are basically the same politician as she is. Like, 1894 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,280 Speaker 2: I think that they think those sorts of people can 1895 01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,439 Speaker 2: be an answer, and so anyway, there's a chance. But 1896 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm not as convinced as you are that it won't 1897 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:02,759 Speaker 2: be one of the people. 1898 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Honestly, you certainly could be. I mean Look, the case 1899 01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,800 Speaker 1: for why it would be one of these people is 1900 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,439 Speaker 1: if Trump does an effective repeat of last time around, 1901 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,240 Speaker 1: where you drop to a thirty percent approval rating and 1902 01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,040 Speaker 1: you get blown out in the midterms, and now you're 1903 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,040 Speaker 1: George W. Bush type figure, and you know, you've got 1904 01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 1: JD who basically doesn't have a chance in hell of 1905 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,600 Speaker 1: trying to run on anything that's positive previously right, and 1906 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,880 Speaker 1: you just have a consensus anti Trump can. 1907 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and democraps easy, you know, do great in the midterms, 1908 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,120 Speaker 2: so they feel like we've solved their problems, we have 1909 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:31,840 Speaker 2: no problems. 1910 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,400 Speaker 1: That's a very keep going with the standard program easy 1911 01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,479 Speaker 1: way for these So for NEWSIM and all of them 1912 01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,599 Speaker 1: need to pray. What happens is that Trump repeats the 1913 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,560 Speaker 1: mistakes of the first term just basically, you know, chaos, 1914 01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,360 Speaker 1: tax bill and all of that, something unpopular like the 1915 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 1: ACA repeal again and then they can just run on 1916 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,800 Speaker 1: that and that's the simplest campaign in the world. I 1917 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,160 Speaker 1: don't think it will happen again. I genuinely don't. I 1918 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,280 Speaker 1: think that the Trump people have at least learned some 1919 01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,439 Speaker 1: lessons and they're going to try and govern in a 1920 01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,760 Speaker 1: different direction. And I would say there's a fifty percent 1921 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,479 Speaker 1: chance wherea last time it was one hundred percent chance 1922 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,800 Speaker 1: of what happened. Let's say things do turn out a 1923 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: little bit differently. Let's say Trump is sitting around forty 1924 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,760 Speaker 1: five maybe forty six approval, right around where Obama is. 1925 01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,720 Speaker 1: He loses a little bit in the midterms, one a lot. 1926 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,960 Speaker 1: Now you have a real chaotic situation. I mean, the 1927 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,599 Speaker 1: craziest situation would be one that happened to Joe Biden, 1928 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,479 Speaker 1: where what if the Republicans win in the midterm election. 1929 01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,679 Speaker 1: That would be devastating, I think to the current party 1930 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,120 Speaker 1: because that would mean jakeem and all these people and Schumer, 1931 01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,799 Speaker 1: I mean, they are done. I think that's probably honestly, 1932 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,000 Speaker 1: if you if you want the chaos situation, you should 1933 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,080 Speaker 1: hope for that because that would mean a total reassessment 1934 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,400 Speaker 1: at the top to the bottom of the DNC for 1935 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,960 Speaker 1: who you are. And I think that's you know, I 1936 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,280 Speaker 1: would get it a ten percent chance, but I mean, 1937 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,240 Speaker 1: you know what there was I think polymarket had a 1938 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,920 Speaker 1: five percent chance of Donald Trump winning with the popular 1939 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,680 Speaker 1: vote margin that he eventually did win, So crazy things 1940 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:53,200 Speaker 1: can happen. 1941 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,040 Speaker 2: I think it would be interesting if AOC ran for 1942 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:55,920 Speaker 2: governor of New York. 1943 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,040 Speaker 4: I think she would get blown out if she had. 1944 01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,960 Speaker 2: I think she'd have more of a chance there. You know, 1945 01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:05,000 Speaker 2: she has so much name recognition. So much of our politics, 1946 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,599 Speaker 2: so much of our politics is just I mean that 1947 01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:11,559 Speaker 2: really comes through with the AOC Trump voters. So much 1948 01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,800 Speaker 2: of it was just like these two are both sort 1949 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,639 Speaker 2: of like celebrities and controversial and people are talking about them, 1950 01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,320 Speaker 2: so there must be something there, And you know, she 1951 01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,040 Speaker 2: does have that factor, and I think it would be 1952 01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,599 Speaker 2: really interesting to see if someone with her politics could 1953 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,599 Speaker 2: govern at an executive level and state level. We don't 1954 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,640 Speaker 2: really have any model of that. So to me, that 1955 01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,640 Speaker 2: would be more interesting for AOC than jumping from the 1956 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,080 Speaker 2: House to the presidency, which even I mean that is 1957 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,720 Speaker 2: also very difficult to accomplish. 1958 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,000 Speaker 3: Who has that? Has anyone ever accomplished. 1959 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,639 Speaker 1: Our House to presidency? Gerald Ford? I want to Ford 1960 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,200 Speaker 1: was the leader, but he was I guess he was 1961 01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,520 Speaker 1: vice president. Yeah. 1962 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,559 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's one. I don't know if anyway, 1963 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:53,680 Speaker 3: if it's happened, it's been rare. 1964 01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:54,680 Speaker 4: There's only rare that. 1965 01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,559 Speaker 3: Even our history buff over years. 1966 01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm going over it in my head I can't think 1967 01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,720 Speaker 1: of a single person who from the House of Representatives 1968 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 1: to President of the United States. They're either total outsider, 1969 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:13,200 Speaker 1: a general, senator, secretary of State. I honestly think Ford 1970 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,240 Speaker 1: might be the last person, but again, he technically was 1971 01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,000 Speaker 1: the vice president, that's what eventually, but he was never 1972 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:19,880 Speaker 1: really elected either. 1973 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,320 Speaker 3: Garfield elected when an incumbent congressman. 1974 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:23,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 1975 01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:25,799 Speaker 3: Only person according to core. 1976 01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Garfield been a while, that's anyway. I don't know a 1977 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:30,479 Speaker 1: lot about Garfield. 1978 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,599 Speaker 4: I do have an autobiography or a biography of them. 1979 01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,519 Speaker 1: On my shelf, though, which is interesting. All Right, we 1980 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,960 Speaker 1: got chank to Yuger standing by. Chrystal and him are 1981 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,120 Speaker 1: going to have a long discussion. I'll be stepping out, 1982 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:40,080 Speaker 1: but we'll see you all later