WEBVTT - Best Web Browsers to Protect Your Privacy & Preventing Payment Card Fraud 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:06.760 International authorities, bust a major hacking group. Why rice might 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.959 not be the best way to dry out a wet smartphone, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:17.000 Don't fall for a funeral scam. Plus your tech questions answered? 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.680 What's going on? I'm Rich Demiro and this is rich 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.280 on Tech broadcasting live from Los Angeles, coast to coast. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.120 This is the show where I talk about the tech 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.400 stuff I think you should know about. It's also the 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.360 place where I answer your questions about technology. I believe 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.920 that tech should be interesting, useful, and fun. Let's open 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.200 up those phone lines. Give me a call triple eight 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.479 rich one oh one. 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He conducts open source tests 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.000 of web browser privacy that's going to be an interesting conversation. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.520 Neil O'Farrell, founder of the Center for AI Crime, will 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.160 share the ways that AI is accelerating all kinds of 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:44.440 scams and frauds. Well, this week got me thinking. We've 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.400 had a couple of major things that happened this week. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.400 First off, if you have AT and T, maybe you 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.560 didn't have a signal for a while. AT and T 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.920 had a network outage impacting wireless customers in the US. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.640 You know they have about two hundred million of them. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.280 This outage went on for hours, and of course people 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.840 wondered why it was happening. They woke up to an 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.400 SOS signal on their iPhone or their Samsung or their 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.800 Pixel or their Android and didn't know what was going on. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.920 People were restarting their phones. They thought it was a 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.920 problem with their house. Who knows. It's confusing when you 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.400 wake up and you just don't have a signal. But 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.200 it came out later on that it wasn't outage. This 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.200 was pretty widespread. It was caused by a software update 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.400 that went wrong during a network expansion, and of course 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.760 people wondered if it was a cyber attack. That's always 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:42.120 a consideration Now that was not but this was Change Healthcare, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:47.760 part of United Health's Optium business, suffered a cyber attack 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.960 suspected to be by a nation state. The company was 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.760 forced to disconnect services, which caused outages to prescription processing 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.320 systems for over sixty seven thousand pharmacies. So if you 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.080 needed a prescription that day, you probably couldn't get it. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.560 So this got me thinking, with all this stuff happening, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.760 and as these companies get bigger, and as we get 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.359 more connected, and as we become more nationwide with everything. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.279 Remember everything used to be local. Now everything is nationwide. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.640 When I first moved to California, there was not a 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.560 bank that you could go to that was both in 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.520 New York City and in Los Angeles. There wasn't any 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.560 It wasn't heard of. Now banks are everywhere. It's the 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.519 same chain across the entire United States, across the entire world. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:37.120 The question is, as these issues get bigger, things are 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.320 going to have more of an impact. Right when we 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.480 have an issue, when there's an interruption, where there's a 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.280 something goes wrong, more people are impacted. So do you 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.720 have a plan. That is my question for you today. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.120 What if you woke up and you had zero signal 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.400 on your cell phone. Now you might say, Rich, I've 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.920 got WiFi. I'm okay, okay, Well what if the Wi 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.280 Fi didn't work? So, first off, a lot of people 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.640 were confused when they looked at their iPhone when this 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.200 thing had happen, because there is an SOS icon on 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.880 the iPhone and there's also a satellite icon. Only the 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.040 iPhone fourteen and fifteen have that satellite icon. That means 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.200 that you can get satellite service for an emergency. So 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.200 if you have an emergency, you're still covered as long 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.760 as you can see the sky. That's called SOS Emergency 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.640 over Satellite. The SOS icon means that your phone can 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.880 dial nine one one, and one thing to note here 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.320 in the US, your phone, whether it has service or not, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.200 can still dial on nine one one. And it doesn't 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.440 necessarily just dial nine one one on your carrier. It 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.640 can also reach out to the other carriers. Here in 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.960 the US, we have three major carriers. We have T Mobile, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.560 we have AT and T, and we have Verizon. Your 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.640 phone can dial nine one one on all three of those. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.840 Hopefully you're not in a place where all three of 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.000 those are gone, but some places are so AT and 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.440 T during this outage said to turn on Wi Fi calling, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.279 So if you haven't set that up on your phone, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.479 it's probably a good idea to do that before you 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.040 need it. So when cellulars on a vail, your phone 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.599 can use Wi Fi for both calls and texts, which 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.880 is really nice. And that also works overseas, so if 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.560 you ever go overseas and you have a Wi Fi signal, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.440 you can still use your phone without charging roaming fees. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.000 Just make sure that roaming is turned off. Now. When 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.080 it comes to the backups in your home, so you 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.000 might have a hot spot from work, you could use 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.960 that perhaps if your cellular isn't working on your main 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.880 account on your phone. Ring also has something called Backup Cellular, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.160 so they offer a subscription where you can get twenty 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.159 four to seven backup Internet, which means if the Internet 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.279 goes out in your home, you can still use cellular 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.320 data through their router and it will send it. If 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.400 you have eros in your house. You know that's also 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.320 owned by Amazon, which also owns Ring, you would be 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.440 able to use their cellular signal throughout your house. Now 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.560 it's only a small amount, it's three gigs, but it's 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.240 mostly for the fact that if you don't have a 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.760 Wi Fi signal, which is what your alarm system typically uses, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.479 it would fall back to cellular and then if you 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.520 had an emergency, it would still be able to get 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.559 that signal out, but you'd also be able to surf 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.120 on your devices as you typically would in that time 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.360 period where the cellular doesn't work. Do you have one 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.279 of these a portable power station? Because I do, and 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.640 my father in law actually texted me a picture of his. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:25.600 He said, I'm prepared for anything. Companies like Jackerie anchor 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.560 Blue Eddy, they all make these things. They cost anywhere 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.760 from one hundred and fifty to up to thousands of 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.080 dollars depending on how much power they hold. But I 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.640 think this is something that you should absolutely have. It's 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.120 something like a portable battery pack for your phone, but 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.599 it's for all of your gadgets in your house, so 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.279 you can plug things in, you know, emergency stuff, whatever 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.520 you need. Some of them even have built in lights 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.000 on them so you can use it as a light 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.360 as well. But I highly recommend you get one of 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.200 these things. Also, a whole house battery is also becoming 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.840 very popular. This is something you install in the garage. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.880 You could work off solar, or it could just be 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.880 plugged in and it powers your entire house. Now, if 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.559 you have an electric car, a lot of these cars 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.880 are coming with something called bidirectional charging. So if you 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.040 have an electric car, a lot of them can plug 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.040 you can plug your house into the car, and then 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.640 that car would provide power for your home, and an 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.080 average of seventy kilowatt hours of energy in a average 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.920 electric car might provide backup power for about two days 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.520 to your house. So that's another option you've probably seen 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.160 the commercials Ford was advertising that heavily where you can 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.960 plug your whole house into the F one fifty lightning. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.520 Now I mentioned the iPhone SOS over satellite. This is 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.200 if you have the iPhone fourteen or fifteen models, get 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.360 to know this service. You can go into your settings 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.040 and try a demo. Basically, if your phone has a 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.160 clear view of the sky, you'll be able to call 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.520 for help, and it goes through a relay center. It 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.520 doesn't dial directly, but you can also send your location 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.600 via satellite. So if you're going on a hike or 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.840 something and you're in a place where there's no cellular 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.720 you can update your friends where you are via the 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.240 find My app on the iPhone. Now, this is a 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.080 feature that's really really handy. It's built into the iPhones. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.480 We're still waiting for that to come to Android, but 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.840 in the meantime, you can get a third party device. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.120 So there's a device called the Moto DeFi and this 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.880 is a small satellite messenger device and you can use 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.640 it on its own, or you can link it to 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.880 a phone where it will send and receive messages and 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.880 all kinds of updates through satellite. And that's about one 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.280 hundred and fifty bucks. And then another one that a 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.960 lot of the rescue folks like is the Garment in 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.560 Reach and this works on its own. I think the 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.440 Motorola DeFi needs to be linked up with Bluetooth on 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.720 your phone. It runs through that. But the Garment in Reach, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.319 I believe will work all by itself. And then the 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.440 SOS features on your phone, you should really make sure 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.320 they're set up before you need to use them. So 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.600 I'm Samsung. They have the Emergency SOS. You can press 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.840 the side button five times after you set it up 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.479 and that will send it alert to your emergency contacts. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.920 Attach a five second audio recording and also pictures from 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.600 both the front and rear cameras. Be very careful when 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.520 you set this up. Don't make the mistake I did 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.240 where I sent a picture of my legs to my 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.240 mother in law because it took a picture and sent 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.200 it when I was setting it up. So be careful. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.800 Look at those settings very carefully. Apple Watch has fall detection, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.200 The iPhone has crash detection. Make sure that's turned on. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.640 The pixel phones have crash detection. Make sure that's turned on. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.120 You do need a simcard in your phone for that 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.120 to work. And then taking it a step further. You 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.280 know my kids, and you know we always I don't 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.000 know why my kids are so morbid, but they always 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.360 talk about what happens when I'm not around anymore. But 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.520 you have to think about this stuff as morbid as 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 it is. Apple has the ability to set up a 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.040 legacy contact, someone who can get access to your data 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.200 after your death. This can include photos, messages, notes, files, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.480 all kinds of things. Google has something called Inactive Account Manager. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.880 This lets you share parts your account or notify someone 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.760 if you've been inactive for a long time, so it 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.120 kicks in after I think it's like ninety days or 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.320 six months of not using your account, it will send 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.480 a message to a loved one that you set up 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.880 in advance, saying Okay, here's my account. And then Facebook 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.880 has something called a legacy contact. You can set that 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.400 up and let someone post on your behalf in the 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.200 unlikely event of your demise. Oh, I say unlikely, but 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.440 I guess it is not unlikely. It's going to happen, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.480 just a matter of when. But they can't read your messages. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.240 I think that's important to know. And they can't log 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.520 into your account, and they can't friend and unfriend people, 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.720 so they can't act like a ghost on your behalf, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.760 but they can post something on your page. And then finally, 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.760 if you're using one of these password apps, this is 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.760 kind of tricky because you do need to if you 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.720 want someone to have access to all of your accounts, 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.199 you need to let them know how to get into 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.560 your password manager. And so I looked up one password 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.240 actually has kind of a cool thing. It's called emergency kit. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.040 This is a PDF document that lists out all the 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.600 details on how to get into your account. Fill it out, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.560 and that's a physical piece of paper that you would 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.840 keep up in a safe place. Other password apps might 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.720 have something like a recovery key. But again I'm telling 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.360 you all of this not to be morbid, but we 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.440 need to plan ahead. We need to think ahead. The 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:19.920 digital world presents new complications for our data, for our information. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.720 And if you have something like a photo collection, it 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.720 used to be in a box that maybe your kids 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.199 would find in the garage, but nowadays that's all locked 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.720 up online. And could you imagine not letting them have 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.360 access to that after you pass? That would not be 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.360 a good thing. So think about this stuff in advance. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.240 I gave you some ideas here. I hope you run 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.280 with them, and I don't want to be morbid, but 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.760 I just think like it's better to be prepared for 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.200 this stuff than to not be prepared. All right, Coming 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.720 up on today's show, Authorities Bust a major ransomware hacking group. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.400 I'll tell you why you might be able to get 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.560 your files back if they were locked up. But first 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.000 it is your turn. Give me a call triple eight 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.160 Rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.480 two four one zero one. Give me a call if 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.839 you have a question about technology. My name is Rich 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:15.120 d'muro and you are listening to rich on tech. Welcome 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.120 back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.600 with you, talking technology at triple eight Rich one oh 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.240 one eight eight eight seven four to two four one 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.360 zero one. Give me a call if you have a 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.760 question about technology. This week, international authorities busted a major 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:41.040 ransomware hacking group. This involved arrests, indictments, seizures of their infrastructure, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.800 and they also developed a free decryption tool to help 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.960 victims recover their files. This is the lock Bit ransomware group. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.160 They arrested a bunch of people in Poland, Ukraine and 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.640 some other places, retrieved over one thousand decryption keys to 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.880 help them create this free software. They seized over two 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.679 hundred crypto wallets with a bunch of money in them, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:07.200 probably money from victims, I'm guessing, and took down thirty 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:12.880 four servers, identified over fourteen thousand rogue accounts used in attacks. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.040 Oh my gosh, this is just a lot. But I 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.480 tell you this because if you, you know, were affected 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.480 by this, maybe you run a small business or any 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.319 kind of business and you just want more information. There 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.160 is a website that they set up, no more ransom 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:32.120 dot org, No more ransom dot org. That is where 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.080 you can find the free decryption tool. So if you 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.400 had your files locked up by this lockbit ransomware group, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.520 you might be able to unlock them for free. Again, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.199 I'll put that on the website website Rich on tech 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:49.960 dot TV. Thurman in Winchester, Massachusetts. You're on with Rich. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:55.439 Yes, I had you some problems with the Thunderburl. It 0:13:55.520 --> 0:14:00.400 crashes but maybe once every other day. And what I 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.840 like about it is that it does separate. I have 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.079 many email accounts and off of my my various r 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.040 r ls, so it nicely separates the the scent, the trash, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.960 and so forth sub sub boxes by your your email account. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:17.560 Uh. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.440 I've looked at some other alternatives, but they all seem 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.800 to collapse all the in all the input inboxes over 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.240 in one place. I don't wonder if you might know 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:33.480 of a Windows based email client that can can can 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.400 be either does or can be made to us separate 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.200 out the various activities within the email account. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.480 Okay, so instead of having all like a unified inbox, 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.960 you want them separate. Okay, got it. Well, I'm going 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.800 to direct you to a website that I like that 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:54.000 helps me find some of these software alternatives, And you know, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.040 you mentioned Thunderbird, which obviously is a very popular free 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.760 email app for I think it works on various platforms. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.120 But the website that I like to look at for 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.040 this kind of stuff is called Alternative two dot net. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.160 Alternative two dot net, and so if you have an 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.320 app that you like and you're kind of curious what 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.040 else is out there, this is where you can pop 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.040 in the name of that app and it will give 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.560 you the alternatives to that app. And so, for instance, Thunderbird, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.280 if you type that in, it also separates it by platform, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.320 So you can look at iPhone, Android, Windows, Open Source 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.000 iPad and you just tap that I tapped Windows, and 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.840 then it comes up with some of the other alternatives. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.040 And so the alternative that it likes the most is 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:48.600 clause Mail claws Mail, and then there's one after that 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.600 called cea Monkey, and then there's of course Microsoft Outlook, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.200 which sounds like I'm sure you've tried. And then there's 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:00.800 mail Bird, which is clearly play on Thunderbird, and so 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:06.480 that's kind of probably similar to what Thunderbird offers, but 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.640 maybe they'd looked at some of the things that people 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.200 don't like about it and they made those features better. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.640 And then there's one called mail Spring and postbox, spark Mail. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.600 I mean it goes on and on. I've used spark Mail. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.120 Actually that's a pretty good one. But there's so many 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.240 of these, and I think that that's the best way, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.280 because when it comes to recommending software, it's really tough 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.120 to know what you like and what you specifically want. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.560 You mentioned the different inboxes, separating them out, so I 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.000 would go through and kind of see what which one 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.000 of these works for you. It's kind of like me 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.000 with my note taking app situation. I've been using, you know, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.320 for the past year, every single note taking app. I 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.840 downloaded every single one you can think of, because I 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.960 was using ever note and it was like one hundred 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.920 and thirty bucks a year to renew, and I was 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.160 just like, I'm not going to do that, and so 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.200 of course I downloaded every single other app. And what 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.520 did I do after all these months, I've come back 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.800 to ever note And by the way, I talked about this, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.120 sent out a new newsletter this week for the first 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.280 time in a while. So if you want to get 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.840 on the newsletter list, go to rich on tech dot 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.199 tv on the homepage. It says, sign up for the 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.080 newsletter rich on Tech Newsletter. It is free. All you 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.159 have to do is put in your email address and 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.800 you'll get the newsletter. I'm gonna try to do it 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.639 weekly this week. For the first one, I kind of 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.679 talked about my journey with all the different apps and 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.760 things that I currently like. So Thurman, hopefully you find 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.240 something on that website again. It's called Alternative two dot net, 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.800 Triple eight rich one on one eight eight eight seven 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:43.479 four to two four one zero one. Welcome back to 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.520 rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:51.000 talking technology at Triple eight rich one O one. That's 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.520 eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.879 Email Just go to rich on Tech dot tv hit contact. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.560 Of course, that is the website and the way to 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.280 follow me online at rich on Tech. Coming up in 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.120 the show, we've got Arthur Edelstein. He runs a website 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.560 called Privacy tests dot org where he conducts open source 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.040 tests of web browser privacy. So you're gonna find out 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.199 which web browser is the most private, which one protects 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.200 your information the most, And we're gonna ask him about 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.520 incognito browsing to find out where your info's going when 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.720 you do that. Let's go to Bill in San Diego. Bill, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:31.680 you're on with Rich. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.920 Got to go into a canyon. But maybe I'll listen 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.640 off the air. My sister passed away and she has 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:43.280 a bunch of messages on her Soul eight and I'd 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.240 like to save. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.399 Oh we lost you. Okay. Sounds like you want to 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.600 save the messages from the iPhone, the text messages. So 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.600 the way to do this now, you have to have 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.840 access to the phone. So I'm not sure if you 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:02.359 have access to the phone or not, but if you 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.280 have access to the phone, it's quite easy. Actually, the 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.639 app I recommend is called I Amazing mazng Oh. I 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.600 just got a word from Kim that he does have 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.680 access to the phone, okay, and that case is pretty easy. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:19.240 There is an app called Imazing I Mazing, and this 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.679 is sort of like the app that Apple should have 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.760 put out with the iPhone, but they never did. Apple 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.560 made it very, very convoluted to get files on and 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.919 off the iPhone and to get data on and off 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.919 the iPhone. There might be a reason for that, but 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.480 I don't know. It just seems very, very unnecessarily complicated. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.520 But this app does it a lot easier because you 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.439 can drag and drop stuff on or off. So a 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.280 lot of people when they had like an iPod or 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.040 an iPhone, they realized after a certain period of time 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.119 that getting music on that device was very easy. Getting 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.320 music off that device not so easy. Getting your own 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.800 files onto that device not so easy. So this app 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.560 amazing makes it much easier. Imazig dot com. You will 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.080 have to pay for it, but you can at least 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.080 test it out. I think there's like a free level 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.280 of service before you have to pay, and let me 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.560 see how much this thing is. But I use this 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.600 the other day to kind of test the I get 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.320 a lot of questions about text message extraction from the 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.960 iPhone because you would think you'd be able to do 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.080 it in an easy way, but no, you can't. Device 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.160 license one device is forty bucks. So for forty bucks, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.720 you plug this device. You plug your iPhone into your computer. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.200 It will scan the iPhone. It does take a while 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.719 to do that initial scan, but once you scan it, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.679 you can download all of the text messages, some of 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.840 the text messages, whatever you want, but it will make 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.040 them all into a nice, easy to understand file. You 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.240 can export that as a PDF, comma separated value whatever 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.560 you want. This does it all. So I will put 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.920 the link on the website in the show notes rich 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.240 on tech dot tv. Keep in mind, if you go 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.560 to the website rich on tech dot tv, right at 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.040 the top, there is a big red banner it says 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.679 heard it mentioned on the radio. Links here. You can 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.399 tap there to get links in real time to anything 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.800 I mentioned on the show. So if I mentioned a 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.760 good website like before the alternative to dot net, you 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.720 can find a link right there. Great question. Sorry for 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.240 you're a loss. Thank you so much, Bill and San Diego. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.440 Sorry that you want to do a canyon right as 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.959 we came to you. Let's go to Rose in Los Angeles. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.160 Rose in Los Angeles. You're on with Rich. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:30.199 Hi, Rich, thanks Lord for taking my call. When we 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.639 want to remove our name and information like data bird 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.200 as is from Google, when we go to results about 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:45.879 you goog he'll ask whether you want to remove information 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:52.480 you see in Google Search or events content from the 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.960 show in in Google Search. So what is the difference 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:01.080 which one should we click? Makes sense? 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.520 Yeah? Well, actually I haven't seen the option where it 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.639 says do you want to prevent it from showing up 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:12.000 in Google Search. That's interesting. Usually it just it just 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.800 shows you results that are already out there. So well, 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.280 I mean to bring your question kind of a little 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.359 bit bigger here. So there's two things you're talking about. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.199 Your information is floating out there online, no matter what 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.400 it is, out there in a million different ways. Any 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.159 sort of public record that you're ever involved in, or 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.360 database that gets breached. All this information makes its way 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.040 to the web. And then there's companies that scoop it 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.240 all up and make it easy to find and it 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.720 comes up in search results. So when you search for 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.040 someone's name or address or whatever, it will say, oh, 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.320 we've got their information, and sometimes it is there. Sometimes 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.480 it's kind of you know, like these Spochio sites and 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:49.360 all that, they make you jump through hoops to kind 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:50.600 of see some of it, and they want you to 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:54.159 pay to unlock it. But Google, what you're referring to, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.719 Google results about you lets you see if your personal 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.120 contact information, including your home address, phone number, and email address, 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.919 is in search results, and you have the option to 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.240 ask Google to take that out of search results when 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.280 you say that. So basically the way this works is 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.439 you go on Google, you sign up for this service. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.360 It is free. Google will ask you for your name, 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.640 your address, your phone number, your email address. You could 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:20.800 put a bunch of women in there, and then when 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.000 it goes out on the web and it searches for 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.600 that information in search results. When it finds that, it says, hey, 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.240 we noticed that your information is on this search result. 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.840 Would you like us to take down that search result. 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.480 It does not take down the original information from that website. 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.560 It only takes down Google's link to that website when 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.399 people search. If you want the information to be removed completely, 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:44.920 and I think the results about you is a good 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.199 first step because most people are just going to do 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.000 a quick casual search and find the information on Google 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.919 and then click. But some people will go directly to 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:57.000 an information broker to find information on you. If you 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:58.960 want to do that, there are ways of doing it. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.600 There are many many services that will do this. But 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.640 if you want to do this yourself, there is a website. 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.080 Let's see if I can find it. Diy. I think 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:14.040 it's called delete me. Okay, here it is so delete 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.080 me is a service that does this for a couple 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:18.960 bucks a month. I think it's like ten dollars a month, 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.719 where they will go out and actually delete requests that 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.400 you that your information is deleted from these broker websites. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.119 But they also have free guides that can help you 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.200 do it yourself. So it has a whole bunch of 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.160 guides that will you can request to remove yourself from 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:41.280 all of these different places. And so they have basically 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.800 DIY guides for all these things and tell us been 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.600 verified spokio and it gives you a step by step 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.879 way of how to request removal from those websites. And 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.000 they're actually pretty good now I will tell you it is. 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.360 It's a game of whack a mole. So you can 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.320 take this down from one website and it's going to 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.239 pop up on an and another and another. So there 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.600 are services I mentioned one last week like Mozilla Monitor 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.320 and Norton has one Experience has one where they will 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.520 and this delete me where they will constantly monitor for 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:15.959 your information and try to get it off these websites. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.360 So I've been using this Mozilla Monitor as a way 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.080 to test it and it has taken my information off 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:28.160 of a couple of websites so far. Spokio, id True 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.639 dot com, Background Alert dot com, peoplewin dot com. But 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.800 there are still so many more. I mean, there's just 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.040 a list of ninety that they still have my information 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.600 on that they're trying to get taken down. But again, 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.960 these services are going to cost you money each month, 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.760 and whether they work or not is you know, it's 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:47.720 kind of up in the air. Sometimes they work, sometimes 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.240 they don't. But most of the websites, if you find 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.960 your information on a website, you can ask to have 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.960 that information taken down. But these these sites are so 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.719 shady that a lot of times they don't even do it, 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.720 or they don't you know, it takes so long, or 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.399 you can't get someone on the phone, or sorry, not 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.480 on the phone. But you know, it's tough to make 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.879 these requests. So that's the best way that I know of. 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.080 I'll put those two links on the show notes so 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.159 you can look up Google results about me or results 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.879 about you, and then also the other websites that have 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:22.280 this stuff. But it's it's really it's a lot. It's 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.119 there's so much information. The other website I talk about 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.760 is have I Been pooned? H a ve e I 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:35.600 beIN pwned dot com? Have I been poned? Pwned? Like 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.840 owned but with a P and you can put in 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.879 your email address and it will tell you if that 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.879 email address has been available on a website. So my 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.320 email address has been in twenty seven data breaches and 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.080 three pastes and pastes are when they just take all 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.320 this information and they compile it and hackers just use 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.959 that to kind of figure out email addresses and passwords. 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.600 So it is it's a lot when you start searching 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.639 for yourself online. Believe me, you're gonna find a lot 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.520 of stuff, and it is not easy to take it down. 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.560 But remember back in the day, people had the white 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.840 pages right and you can look up anyone in their address, 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.720 and that was just thrown at everyone's doorsteps. So it's 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.639 just a lot easier to find this stuff these days. 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.600 Triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.080 four to two four one zero one coming up. I'll 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:25.360 tell you about Ring. They are gonna stop selling one 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.720 of their popular items. People are trying to get a 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.040 hold of them, and I guess they can't anymore. You 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.200 are listening to rich on tech. 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:40.280 Well. 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:44.480 Ring has confirmed it has stopped selling its Ring carcam. 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.600 This is sort of a dash cam slash security camera 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.720 for cars. It was announced at CS twenty twenty three. 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.280 It's been kind of tough to get ever since it's launch. 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:56.960 I did a review and they actually sent me one 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.440 to review, and uh, I like it. I mean, it's 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.919 a really nice little device. There were a couple of 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.960 flaws with it in a design, but overall it works 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:08.639 like a video doorbell for your car. Ring does not 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:13.240 give a specific reason for stopping sales, but it's said 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.000 that there were ongoing delays. So does that mean a 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:20.639 component of this was not working or maybe I don't know. 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.800 I mean, I really I don't see anything that is 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.800 wrong with the device, but it just I don't know. 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:30.600 People couldn't get them apparently, So it looks like people. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.399 Emails from Amazon show orders for the ringcarcamp placed in 0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.159 recent months are now being canceled. Some people have been 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.040 waiting since January twenty twenty three for the device, with 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.360 delivery pushback multiple times. We do not know if they 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.400 are going to resume Ring Carcam sales. I don't know. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.720 We'll see Ringcarcam if you want one, It's gonna be 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:50.960 tough to get, so we're gonna have to look into 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.680 some other car cams that are good. People love dash 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.040 cams nowadays, so we'll have to find when that works. 0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:02.200 Pretty well, let's go to Vivian. Vivian in Menefee, California. Vivian, 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:02.880 you'r on with Rich. 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:04.120 Hello. 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:13.840 I am having trouble with passwords and seems like every 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:19.400 three months, Apple is making me change my password. 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:25.160 I'd rite it down in the day that I put 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:30.520 in the new pass words, and they keep knocking me 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.920 out Apple, They. 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:38.120 Keep locking you out. Well, yeah, I don't think, uh, 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.120 I don't What do you mean they lock you out? 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.400 Are you putting? Are you putting in the wrong past? 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.400 Is it the password to your eye cloud or is 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.240 it the past code on your iPhone? 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.120 Past code. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:56.040 Past coode? Okay, well the past code, if you type 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.600 it in wrong a number of times, it will disable 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.000 that phone for a bit before you can try again. 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:01.840 Is that what's happening? 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:03.080 Yes? 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.200 Okay, okay, Well we need a good way to remember 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.320 this passcode. 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:15.720 Well, I've been writing it down. What I thought I 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:16.760 heard them say? 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.560 And what you what? Who said? 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.720 What? 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:23.800 What? 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:24.640 Apple? 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.960 Okay? Well, Apple doesn't set the passcode on your phone. 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:32.680 You set that and I will tell you how to 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.960 do it right now. So if you go into your phone. 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:36.480 Do you have access to your phone now or is 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:37.560 it you don't have access? 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.840 I'm on the phone with you, okay. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.200 Okay, so it's unlocked at this point. 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.720 Now there's still locked. 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.640 It's still locked. Okay, how are you making a phone call? 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.920 I don't know that. To us, we couldn't get into Apples. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.120 Okay. It sounds like it sounds like there's a little 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.960 confusion here because between the passcode on your phone and 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:08.320 the iCloud account. So couple things. Number One, if you 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.960 do have access on your phone to face ID, I 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.400 would recommend using that because that's going to be a 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.120 little bit more fail proof. It's you know, it's going 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.240 to recognize your face and it's going to unlock the 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:23.960 device that way. When it comes to the passcode, it 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.080 sounds like if you're able to make a phone call, 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.280 you're able to unlock the phone. So to me, this 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.760 seems like it's more of an iCloud issue. And yes, 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.000 with iCloud, if you forget your log in, which Apple 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:38.600 doesn't set by the way, and they don't ask you 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.479 to reset it. Ever, as far as I've seen, you 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.520 can you know, leave that passcode indefinitely or password on 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.440 your account. But what I would do is I would 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.440 get a trusted friend or family member to help you 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.040 set this up. I would ask them to help you 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.960 change your iCloud password to something that you can remember, 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.280 and something that you might write down in a physical 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.320 piece of paper and keep in a safe place that 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.160 you can refer to. And then I would also change 0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.760 the passcode on your phone to something that you can remember, 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:09.720 and I would keep that on a different piece of 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.360 paper and in a different safe place, so that if 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.800 you need to or if this trusted friend, if you say, oh, 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.320 I've gotten locked out of my phone again, this will 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.880 be the way that you can get back into those devices. 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.560 So that's frustrating for sure. I totally get it. And 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.120 you know, it's one of these things where if you 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.080 lose the passcode to your iPhone, there is really no 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.560 way of getting back in. You have to reset the 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.360 entire phone factory reset it. And that's why I always 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.360 recommend that you also have a backup of your phone. 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:38.200 So if you do have a backup and you do 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.040 forget the passcode, you should be able to get that 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.840 once you have access to your phone again and you 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.520 get back into your eCloud, you should be able to 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.440 bring that backup of your phone to your phone again. 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:52.560 So oh man, it's tough to remember this stuff sometimes. 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.200 And this actually happened to me. I set up, you know, 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.080 I'm always setting up something like for you know, testing out, 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.760 and so I set up this tablet and I always 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.680 set up I've got like a couple of passcodes that 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.360 I used, and I set up like kind of a 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.000 test passcode that I used for my test devices, and 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.080 I put it on the tablet and then I didn't 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:12.480 think about it for a little bit, and then I 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.240 was going to access it again, and I just kept 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:16.840 putting in the pass code and it would not work. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.360 And I was like, I'm like going, you know, in circles, 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.640 like what is going on here? And so I finally 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.000 realized after I started typing in because I have a 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.320 couple of different variations, I realized that the tablet was 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:32.360 accepting as many like numbers as I typed in, Like 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.840 usually a pass code is either four or six digits. Well, 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.880 at first I was just putting in four, and then 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.400 I put in six, and all of a sudden I 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.680 just started typing more and accepted them. I was like, 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.000 wait a second, and That's when I realized that the 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.200 passcode was longer than the four digits I kept trying 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.680 to type in, and so as soon as I typed 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.640 in the six digit code and unlocked, and I was like, oh, well, 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:59.200 one time I was testing a phone and I forget 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.280 it was T Mobile or someone, but they sent me 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.560 a test phone and I must have set it up 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.479 in my sleep and forgot about it. And so all 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.000 of a sudden one day, I'm trying to use this 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.560 thing to test on air and I cannot unlock it. 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.560 And I email them like, hey, did you guys set 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.480 a passcode on this phone before you sent it to me? 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.000 Like what's going on here? You're like no, we never 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.200 do that. And I was going through all these circles 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.600 and hoops before I finally realized, like, oh, I kept 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.680 putting in my personal passcode instead of the tester one 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.040 and it unlocked, and I was so embarrassed I had 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:29.680 to like send them an email and be like ooh sorry, 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.040 just kidding. By the way, this week, Google had to 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.920 make an apology for its Gemini image generation. This is 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.120 you know AI image generators or all the buzz right now. 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:45.200 So Google recently launched one called Gemini that could create 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:49.239 images of people. Well, it was producing inaccurate or even 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.440 offensive images in some cases. Google said, all right, we're 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.239 going back to the drawing board on this one. We 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:58.480 have paused image generation of people in Gemini. I guess 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.840 the problem arose from an over correction. They tried to 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.000 tune the model to show a wide range of diverse 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.560 people and it it backfired on them, and the model 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:13.160 would sometimes just flat out refuse to generate images of 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.160 some people. So Google says, we're going back to the 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.120 drawing board. We're going to bring this thing back out 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.919 when it can actually create the images that people want 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:25.000 it to create. You know, humans are programming this AI, 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.120 and humans are you know, they're not infallible, so we 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.120 make mistakes, and apparently so does AI. Eighty eight Rich 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.000 one on one eight eight eight seven four two four 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:43.960 one zero one ZJ in Anaheim, California, ZJ. You're on 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:44.439 with Rich. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.360 Good afternoon, Rich, and I Before I start my question, 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.920 I just want to say you are the most patient 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.160 and gracious host on KFI. And I don't know if 0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:01.759 it's because you're still young and fresh. People who have 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.680 been on a long time just don't have the care 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:08.000 and patience you have, including the previous show that precedes you. 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.360 We've been listening to the Lost show my wife and 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:16.920 I and two of my kids, and the host gets 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.920 very grouchy at times. So thank you for your patience 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:21.880 and your care for your listeners. 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.239 Thank you well. I try, and believe me, you know 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:30.080 it's I try to make this fun and informative and insightful, 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.400 but it is frustrating. It's frustrated. The thing that actually 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.719 frustrates me the most is the fact that we are 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:40.279 being bombarded from all angles by a million different scams 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.640 and you know, rip offs and all kinds of stuff 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.040 thanks to tech. And as much as I love this stuff, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.360 it's easy for me to navigate, but it's very complicated 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.680 for a lot of people. And that's why I try 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.600 to remain calm here as much as possible. How can 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.640 I help today's j But here's my issue. 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.480 I called last year, spoke to you on this show. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:09.920 I wanted to obscure on Google Maps my home, and 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.759 you told me how to do that. I went in 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.920 and I did that, and I got confirmation that they 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.480 have it. And I'm not on Google Maps all the time. 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.480 You know, maybe three or four times a month. But 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.719 I was on there about ten days ago and I 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.880 noticed my home is not obscured. So I went back 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.200 to what you had told me, and I obscured it 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:33.640 again ten days ago, and as of yesterday, my home 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.120 and my automobile is a license plate number. Are all 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:41.680 stills showing on Google Maps street view. I don't know 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.600 what to do to have them accept my request. 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.759 Interesting, so when they when you first did it, they 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.480 took it down. No, oh, they never took it down. 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:57.120 They never Yeah, we received your request, we're working on it. 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.279 That's the message I got when I completed it correctly 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:00.960 the first time. 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.560 Okay, so they never actually took it. 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.759 Down and never that should go down. And then I 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.000 repeated those steps ten days ago and I got the 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.160 same message, Okay, we've got your request. You know, we 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:15.440 have to make sure you are the homeowner whatever and so, 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:18.319 but still ten days. I guess it would be day 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.239 eleven since I did it last the second time and 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:22.480 it's still not obscured. 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.680 Okay, Well, I mean a couple of things going on here. 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.440 Number one, I'm just gonna kind of explain how to 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.640 do this if you want to so that you know, 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.600 people know exactly how to do this if they want. So, 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.399 you know, Google drives these cars around town called street View, 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.440 and they take pictures of things, and it used to 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.640 be you know, once in a while. Now they're happening 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.880 much more often than before, but it does, you know, 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.040 So they're getting a lot of these houses and things, 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.759 and they have systems in place that automatically blur kind 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.160 of information that might be identifying. So think about it 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.640 this way. If someone was driving down your street, they 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.840 can see your house. I mean, it's it's public domain, 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:04.560 it's right there. 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:05.440 But the. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.960 Car that's in your parking lot, or a person that's 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.239 outside your house, they will go through and they will 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.840 blur the license plate and they will blur the person's 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.640 face that's walking by. For privacy, because if you're just 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:19.960 a you know, you have to think about this stuff. 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.000 You're just a regular person. You could walk down the street. 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.920 You may not memorize every license plate, but with Google, 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.279 you could run that through a software program and get 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.200 every license plate and figure out where they park the 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.520 most or whatever. So they do give you this ability 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.120 to remove your information. And what they do is they 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:39.279 will blur out your house. So if Google is a 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.600 photo owner, you can report a photo or request it 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.719 to be blurred if it contains your face, your home, 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:50.800 or other identifying information, or anything that violates the street 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.480 view policy that they have. So that is the only 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.040 ask that Google requires. They don't say you have to 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.120 prove anything that say that you have to say that 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.400 you're under threat or something like that. It just says 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:10.120 your face, your home, or other identifying information. You can 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.400 report the photo, request it to be blurred. So you 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.920 can do this by going searching your address on Google 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.320 and then clicking little street view, so a little picture, 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.719 not the map. You have to click the actual street view, 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:24.880 so it brings up the view of your house. And 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.920 then in the lower right hand corner, in tiny, tiny letters, 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.280 it says report a problem, and you click report a problem, 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.760 and now it will give you your street view your address. 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.960 It will give you a preview of the image, and 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.960 you can actually adjust that image so that you can 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:45.000 blur out your entire house, and it will say why 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:49.160 are you reporting this image? Request blurring face, my home, 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.239 my car, my license plate, a different object, what is 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.640 wrong with this image? You can do image quality and 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.480 then you put in your email address, and you put 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.239 in a test that you're not a robot, and you 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:03.319 press submit, and generally that should work. People usually have 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.720 pretty good success with that. If that is not working, 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:12.480 in the case of U ZJ, I would just continue 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.319 to submit the request. You did it eleven days ago. 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.799 Google does not give a guarantee of how long it 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:22.240 will take, but it says it generally, quote will review 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.000 your report as fast as we can. If you entered 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.040 your email address in the form, we may contact you 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.440 to get additional information or to update you on the 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:34.360 status of your report. So personally, I would just continue 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.400 to submit that, and that would send a signal to 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.520 them that you need business and you want this thing 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.080 figured out quickly. By the way, I will say that 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.080 I did do this for a couple of these other 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.759 sites like redfin and Zilo. They will also allow you 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.040 to take your information off of those sites as well, 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.040 So a lot of times when you sell your house, 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.640 the pictures of that listing will be on these websites 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.640 like a Zillo or a redfin, So if someone knows 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.399 your address, they can just go right into your house 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:03.960 and take a look at all the rooms and the 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.200 bathrooms and see exactly what's going on in there, so 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.640 that may be an option too to take your information 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.080 down from there as well. Now for me personally, I requested, 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.120 you should be able to do it yourself, but that 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.840 would not work. I kept logging into my home dashboard 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.880 on one of those websites and it just was not working. 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.320 It said delete your pictures. I said delete. I deleted 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.680 them all. They'd be gone for one second and they'd 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.239 all pop up again, and so I just went through 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.680 and I emailed. There's a help link at the bottom 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.480 of the website. I emailed. I said, here's my address, 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.879 here's my house, here's the listing. Can you please take 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.600 these pictures off? And I'm not kidding. Within a couple hours, 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.600 I got an email from someone at was It was 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.799 either redfin or Zillow or one of those, and they said, okay, 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:48.800 we took your stuff down, thank you for doing business 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:50.680 with us, And I thought that was pretty good. So 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.160 the reason I tell you this DJ is I don't 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.680 think that they are trying to actively not take this down, 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.640 but I think that they are probably swamped with stuff 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.320 and they just need some more pushing. So I would 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.400 maybe even go to another There are some ways you 0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.000 can chat, you know with Google as well, so you 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.480 might try to chat with them to do something. I 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.960 know that in you know, with different services, they have 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.400 some chat applications, So maybe go into Google Maps and 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:18.920 see if there's any contact info there that you might 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.839 be able to get a chat person on chat. But 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.600 that's I think the only way they're going to take 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:28.640 that that request is probably through the approval the official channels. 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.200 Let's put it that way. Triple eight rich one o 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.600 one eight eight eight seven four to two four one 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.120 zero one. That is the website. Now you got me 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.760 on this whole street view thing, and there's a website 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.000 Google dot Com slash street view. And I don't know 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.840 if you've seen these little cars going down your street, 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.440 but you can actually see where they're going next. So 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.560 it says where we are mapping this month. We drive 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:55.920 and trek around the world to bring you imagery that 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.719 enhances your experience and helps you discover the world around you. 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:00.759 If you want to wave at our team, check out 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.160 below where they'll be coming to a location near you, 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:07.000 and you can put your state in, so I put 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:12.000 let's put California, and they'll tell you where they're driving 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.000 these little cars from one, twenty twenty four to twelve, 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.440 twenty twenty four. And it's basically every county in California, 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.080 so it's not very exact Los Angeles County. Oh, they'll 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.640 be here sometime this year. That's real good information. Maybe 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.000 if you live in a smaller state, let's try Kentucky. Kentucky, 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:35.080 they'll be in Jefferson, Bullet, Nelson, Spencer, Anderson, Mercer, Boyle, Lincoln. Anyway, 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.640 Google dot Com slash street view and again, if you 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.160 want those directions on how to remove the Google Maps information, 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.440 open up Google Maps. Look for your street view. Bottom 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.360 right hand corner says report a problem. Complete the form, 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.480 click submit, and ZJ keep me posted if they get 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:51.839 rid of it. I can't believe it's been a year 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.759 since they took that down. Eighty eight rich one on 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:59.120 one website, richon Tech dot tv. Coming up we will 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.080 talk about Apple's new mission to make I Message even 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.560 more secure and the bone I have to pick with 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.719 I message. Yeah, we'll talk about that coming up. You 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:21.160 are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:26.239 on Tech. Rich DeMuro here talking technology with Chris in 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:27.919 Long Beach. Chris, you're on with Rich. 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.480 I don't really have a specific problem other than not 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:33.880 remembering all my passwords. 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.440 Yeah, well that's a common problem. 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.440 Yeah, I think everybody has it. But my question is 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:45.640 what do you think of these computer generated strong passwords. 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.439 I think they're excellent. How are you generating them? 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:52.600 I haven't been. 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.319 Okay, I haven't been because I wasn't. I don't know 0:45:56.360 --> 0:46:00.520 about them. I don't know quite how it works. It 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:04.600 just would be easier so I wouldn't have to remember. Yes, 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.440 I'm currently using a password manager on Google, okay, and 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:12.560 that for the most part works well. 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:14.960 Yeah, and I like that a lot. I think that that. 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.040 So here's what I typically recommend when it comes to passwords. 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.160 Number one, you should absolutely be using a password generator. 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:23.960 The main thing is that you have to protect that 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:27.680 password generator with a password that you remember, but also 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.600 two factor authentication. In the case of Google, since it's 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.800 built in, you already have access to your Google account, 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.000 there is a level of you know, it's a little 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.480 dicey because if you lost access to your Google you 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.799 would lose access to these passwords. So that's a consideration. 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:47.000 But other than that, my recommendation typically is use what's 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.640 built into your apps. So if you have iPhone and 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.839 you're only using iPhone, then iCloud keychain is excellent because 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.120 it works with Apple. They just put in some new 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.640 security restrictions that make that where I can recommend it 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.280 again before I couldn't, now I can, So iCloud Keychain 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.279 is really good there. And then I recommend if you know, 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.320 if you want free, by the way, and if you 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.960 want free and you're using Android or you're using an 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.279 iPhone with Chrome web browser, both on your iPhone and 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.640 or on your desktop, the Google Password Manager works really 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.040 well because they added a feature where Google can fill 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.680 in the passwords across all of your apps on the iPhone, 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.239 not just on Chrome. So that's really nice and you 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.120 can turn that on in your settings. There is an 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:36.000 option to auto fill with Google Password Manager, so that's 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.760 really easy. Those are two free options. They're very simple, 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.160 they're built into a lot of the things that we 0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.840 use today. The other option, if you want free, is 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.440 called Bitwarden, and that will work across all devices. It 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.640 is cross platform, it is open source, and so a 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.440 lot of people like that because they do offer a 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.680 nice free version of that software and people seem to 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.680 like it and then you can get into paid software. 0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.880 So there's a lot of paid apps that will do this. 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.759 Y the ones that I like, dash Lane is a 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:06.640 great one. There's also one called one Password that a 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.640 lot of people like that's really good as well. But 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.560 again those are going to cost you money. You're in, 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:15.640 you're out. So, Chris, the advice I have is if 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.440 it's working for you, that's great. I would just make 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:22.160 sure that you use it consistently, and that you use 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.120 it across all of your apps and not just you know, 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.319 selected ones. Are you using this thing most of the 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:29.120 time or just some of. 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.439 The time the same password or the same app? 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.320 No, the same app? I hope you're not using the 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:34.960 same password. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:36.600 Well, I kind of. 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.360 Have a little bit because it's so hard to remember, 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:44.960 you know, when you've got a lot of places that 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.719 you go, it's it's just so hard to remember. That's 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.399 what I was, and my daughter came over and set 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.680 up the Google Okay password. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.360 Manage you do you have an iPhone or Android and 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:58.719 iPhone okay? You have an iPhone okay, So there is 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:00.960 a setting you need to turn on to make this 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.759 work much better. So if you go into settings on 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.880 the iPhone and I've got to find this. Oh gosh, 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.960 it's gonna take me a second to find this. It's 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:14.480 it's a feature called autophil and so let's see here. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.480 I got to remember where this is on the iPhone. 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.080 Let's see autofill. So basically, the way that the iPhone 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:24.840 is set up, it's typically set up to use iCloud 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.000 keychain to generate this, but you can change it. Okay. 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:32.080 So we're gonna go into settings and then password and 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.440 accounts and so let's find that. So there's passwords, okay, 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:37.759 So you go into passwords and then there's an option 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.640 where it says password options. There it is, Do you 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:46.240 see that? So if you go into setting settings passwords, 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:47.080 do you see that? 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.160 I'm trying to get to passwords. 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.200 It's all the way down. It's passed like all the matings. 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.359 You see it, right? Okay, Now you tap there, and 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.200 now you do Now you tap word says password options. 0:49:59.239 --> 0:49:59.799 Do you see that? 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.680 Okay, I'm still not finding passwords. 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:04.960 Okay. 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.719 So if you go into settings and scroll down past general, 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.160 past privacy and Security, past the app Store, it's right 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.000 at the top of like where it says mail, contacts, Calendar, notes, 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:18.879 and it says passwords. So if you tap in there 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:20.440 and I guess this, you know, even if you don't 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:22.200 find it right away, you can always look for it later. 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.640 But there is when you go inside there, there's a 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.840 thing called password options, and it says use passwords and 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.560 pass keys from. 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:30.960 Oh here we go. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.239 Okay, I password okay, got it? 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.799 Okay. So now when you tap password options, what does 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:38.600 it say there? Which one is selected? 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:39.920 Give me? 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.640 It says iPhone unlocked, iTunes, app store, wallet, Apple paste 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:48.120 password auto fill yep, and I do have that turned on? 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:49.960 And which one is it turned on with? Does it 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:51.799 say Chrome or does it say Google or does it 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:52.520 say iCloud? 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.319 It doesn't say, but I use Google Chrome. 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.440 Okay. So what you want to do is you want 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:01.120 to make sure that Chrome is selected in the autofill 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.400 in the password options, because that is going to make 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.200 it much more magical for you. So when you go 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.200 to an app to log in, you'll be able to 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:13.520 use Chrome to autofill that password and to not just 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:17.520 autofill but also auto generate that password. And so what 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.400 you need to do is just basically get into a 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.239 routine of when you set up a new account you're 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.239 using the Google Password manager to not only create that password, 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.120 but also save that password, and that autofill is going 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:30.840 to be a key part of that. By the way, 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:35.680 you can also go Chris to Google has their password 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.800 manager online, So if you want to look at passwords 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.799 dot Google dot com on your Chrome web browser will 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.279 actually show you all of the passwords that you have 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.920 saved with Google. So if you want to access those 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:51.680 on your computer, you can do that. And then inside 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:57.120 Google Chrome you can also go into your tools and 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.319 your settings and it says passwords and autofill and you 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.960 can find your password manager in there as well. It's 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.799 a little complicated, but it's one of those things you 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.520 just have to get used to, and once you make 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.360 it a routine, it is much safer. I'm glad that 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.759 you're looking out for this though. Coming up, we're going 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.000 to talk privacy of web browsers. You are listening to 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:26.760 Rich on tech. Arthur Edelstein runs a website called privacytests 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:30.360 dot org where he does open source tests of web 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.320 browser privacy. Arthur, thanks so much for joining me today. 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.040 Thanks for having me so first off. 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.200 Tell me about the website Privacy tests dot org. What 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:39.080 made you start this. 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.600 Well, I've been working on browser privacy for about ten years, 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:49.160 since twenty fourteen, and developing new privacy protections for web browsers, 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.239 And after doing it for a few years, I was 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.799 thinking about, well, how can we share this work that 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.560 we're doing, because it's actually really hard for anybody to 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:00.439 tell which browsers are protecting their privacy or what kinds 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:04.479 of privacy protections there are in reality. So I thought, 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.600 wouldn't wouldn't it be great if we could objectively evaluate 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:12.080 browsers to compare them and to look at those privacy protections. 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.520 So my thinking was to create a variety of automated 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:20.360 open source tests that would basically do leak tests of 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.840 browsers and see what kinds of private information are leaking 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.719 from different browsers and be able to compare those browsers, 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.200 and then I could share those results with everybody with 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.920 the public on a website. So the website that I 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.440 put together has a large number of tests on a 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:39.279 variety of different kinds of leaks. And if you look 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.640 at the website, you'll see that every column in this 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.759 big table that I put together is representing a different 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:49.319 web browser, and every row of the table is a 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:53.480 different leak test, and if a browser is leaking something, 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.759 then it's failed the test and it gets the red X. 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.280 But if the browser is protecting your privacy and prevents 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.520 a particular kind week, then it's going to show a 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.480 green check mark. So at a glance, you can basically 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:06.840 compare all the browsers and see what the state of 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:12.400 browser privacy is today and over time. I'm repeatedly running 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.360 these tests every couple of weeks because browsers are working 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:18.960 on their privacy and things are changing over time, so 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:23.520 we get also a longitudinal view of what's happening to 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:25.879 browsers and the privacy on the web. 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.280 Yeah, it wasn't something a lot of people thought about, 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.680 and now it's kind of like front and center when 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:32.320 it comes to browsing the web. So what do you 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.359 think some of the biggest privacy threats are facing the 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:36.440 typical web surfer. 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:42.560 Well, most websites that you visit are tracking you, and 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.720 they have invisible trackers embedded in them from a variety 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.480 of companies. Some of them are big tech companies, some 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.840 of them are companies that you've never heard of, but 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.480 they're tracking you around the web. They are recording every 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.920 web page you visit. Sometimes they're recording things you do 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:02.320 on each web page, super invasive. And when they record 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:05.200 all this data, then they're using that to build up 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:10.080 personal profiles of every person. They have, you know, very 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.759 complex databases that include all sorts of information about you, 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.640 often really personal information, including your interests, who you likely 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:21.400 voted for, who your relationships are, really almost anything you 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.960 can think of. They are holding that data and they're 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:29.959 using that their goal is to target you with advertising. 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:34.960 But that's a huge amount of data that's really sensitive 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:38.120 that nobody really agreed to have held by these companies. 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:43.560 And what's also quite alarming is that in the past 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.920 year we've heard there's been a couple of revelations about 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.840 the US government has been buying up all this data, 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:53.360 buying these databases, including a Defense Department and the NSA. 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:58.719 And so they're collecting this information indirectly through these advertising companies, 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:02.040 and they get all this without a warrant, And to me, 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.759 that's a very scary thing for our democracy. 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:07.560 Wow, that's interesting. So they're getting it kind of in 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:09.920 a roundabout way. If you said, if the government came 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:11.160 to you and said, hey, do you mind if we 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:12.720 track all the stuff that you do on the Internet, 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.799 you'd say absolutely not. But if Macy's is doing it 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.759 in Amazon and they're all feeding into this giant database, 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.040 and you're like, okay, well it's fine, it's just for ads, 0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:25.520 but that information could be used in different ways exactly. Wow. 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:29.279 So what are some of your findings Which browsers I'm 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:32.439 looking down the list here this Brave browser. I mean, 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:34.680 it seems to check a lot of the boxes, but 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.680 which browsers tend to have the worst protections out of 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.120 the box and which ones seem to have the best. 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.920 So full disclosure, I currently work for Brave. Oh okay, 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:48.400 but I run this website independently. I've actually built it 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:51.319 before I started working for Brave, and I try to 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.879 keep it absolutely objective. So if Brave is doing something wrong, 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.920 I'm going to show it on the in these results. 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.640 But I never recommend any specific browser because I'm focused 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.960 on just providing the impartial data. But what I would 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:10.600 say is that you do see some clear trends that 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:15.880 some browsers are making a big effort to hide a 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:18.640 lot of data that is leaking from from your computer, 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.520 and other other browsers are not and they really have 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.360 a long way to go to protect your privacy. So 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.800 no browser is perfect. There's you know, failures among all browsers, 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:32.360 but it's it's very clear that some are doing a 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:33.160 lot more than others. 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:33.600 Right now. 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:37.320 So I'm looking at this this little section that says 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:41.280 which browsers block important known tracking scripts and pixels, and 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.960 it's got Adobe, Adobe Audience Manager, Amazon app Nexus, bing 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:48.720 ads chart be So these all have nice names that 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.120 you know, seem friendly. Is that really what's tracking us 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.480 the most? All these little trackers, these scripts? 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.400 Yeah, so that list of trackers is just a small 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:03.400 part of the actual list is many thousands of different companies. 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.960 But those are the biggest companies that track on the 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:09.880 most websites, and that was found by another study independent 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:11.840 of me called who Trackstop Me? So I took the 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.720 top twenty trackers from their list and I used that 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:19.600 to evaluate, Okay, our browsers walking the tracking. 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:21.520 From the very most important trackers. 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.760 And yeah, they are you know, they're companies often that 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.280 we've heard of. I mean, the biggest tracker is Google, 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.920 and you know Google is of course the search engine, 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:36.080 but they also build them. By far the most popular browser, 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:40.000 which is Chrome, and they also are involved in tracking 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:44.720 users on most websites you visit through a few different services, 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:48.280 and they do that to show ads and also to 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.440 provide analytics to those websites to see, you know, who's 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.560 who's visiting my website and where did they come from. 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:55.800 And so on. 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.600 So I guess my question. You know, when you think 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.120 about this privacy situation, you know we want to be 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:06.160 Let's say you want to just browse everything anonymously. That 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.240 might be ideal, but would the web continue to work. 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:17.400 Well, it's a difficult challenge. I think the answer is basically, yes, 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:21.800 you can increase your privacy a lot by choosing a 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:26.479 browser that protects your privacy. And yeah, you can visit 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.840 most websites anonymously, but you can't do it with the 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.640 default browsers. They are going to leak your identity generally speaking. 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.360 And I've noticed too that a lot of websites, and 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:37.480 I've heard that more and more websites are making you 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:40.720 log in so that they can know exactly who you 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.920 are before you, let's say, read an article or do 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:44.880 something like that, so that they have a better idea 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.840 for not only the advertising, but collecting that data. 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:51.240 Yeah, that's right. And there are a couple of services 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.400 now it's becoming more popular that will allow you to 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:59.600 generate anonymous email addresses, so you can try to bypath 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:02.080 that kind of thing. But obviously that's quite a bit 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.600 more effort for people to take. 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:06.880 Yeah, I mean some of it's built in. I mean 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.920 to like, you know, like I really feel like Apple 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.640 is doing a nice job of kind of bringing this 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:13.680 stuff to the forefront and making people at least aware 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.840 of what's happening. You know, when they did that app 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.160 tracking transparency situation, I mean that really changed kind of 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.160 like a huge portion of the web and how we 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:24.160 were tracked, did it not? 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:25.760 Yeah? 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:30.160 Absolutely? That was that was super interesting because in part 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:32.960 they asked users, you know, are you okay with being tracked? 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:36.439 And the answer was was, you know, resoundingly no, We're 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:37.160 not okay with it. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:37.800 Yeah. 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:40.160 I mean, who's gonna who's gonna say yes to that answer? 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.880 I mean, I exactly every time I download an app 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:45.000 on an Apple device, like last night on Apple TV, 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.160 I downloaded something that was like, hey, can we track you? 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.120 And it's like, who's going to say yes to that? 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:50.240 Yeah? 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.160 Yeah, it's kind of a funny question. But it's good 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:54.680 to hear the answer. It makes it a little more 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:57.520 solid that everybody, everybody wants privacy. 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.640 And finally, any advice, anything, any takeaways you wanna you 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:04.680 want to give before we have to go here about 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:05.760 privacy on the web. 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:09.320 Yeah, I think you know the most important thing beyond 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.360 choosing a browser that is generally doing everything it can 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:15.560 to protect your privacy, is you want to pick a 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:19.480 VPN because your IP address is a big way that 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:23.520 websites and third party trackers can can follow you around 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.640 the web and collect your browsing history. So a good 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:28.720 browser isn't quite enough. You also need a VPN. 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:31.880 Interesting, all right, We're gonna leave it there. Arthur Edelstein 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:36.240 of Privacy tests dot org. That's the website where you 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:40.200 can check out the different browsers for desktops, iOS, Android 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:45.080 and see which ones are sharing the most information about you. 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:46.360 Thanks so much for joining me today. 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:47.040 Thank you. 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:49.600 All right, the website if you want to link to that. 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:52.560 Rich on tech dot TV phone number for the show 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:55.080 eight eight eight rich one O one eight eight eight 1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:58.720 seven four two four one zero one. Coming up, we'll 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:01.720 talk about new app from Apple. We'll talk about what 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.560 Samsung's doing with their phones and much more right here 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:18.479 on rich On Tech. Let's go to Pam in Ventura, California. Pam, 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:20.440 you're on with rich Hey. 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:22.600 Thanks for taking my call. So I have concerns about 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.680 my credit card that was compromised. I just saw and 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:28.600 they already shut it off from the bank. But now 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:31.120 I have a linked to like my Amazon account, my 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:35.840 you know, utilities and my I'm wondering should I what 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:38.480 should I do? Well, change the passwords for everything, or 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.080 just I don't even know how people get that card. 1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:44.120 Now, Yeah, it happens, and it's it's odd because it 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:46.760 does happen quite often. So they got okay, they got 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:50.560 your credit card or debit card number. Credit card okay, 1:02:50.560 --> 1:02:53.160 so it's a credit card number and they so, how 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:55.360 did you figure this out? You saw a charge or what? 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:58.960 I checked my account probably twice a day, and I 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:03.400 saw a teacher and the bank called me, and then 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:06.680 I was skeptical about taking the call or even giving 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:10.080 an information, But then when they verified themselves, I verified me. 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:12.439 Okay, well that's good. I'm glad you did that, because 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:15.120 we do need to be concerned about that. So the 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:17.960 bank called you and said hey, uh, is this a 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:19.560 transaction that you're trying to make? 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:22.840 No, they said, did you make this transaction? 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:25.720 Okay, and you didn't. 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.880 No. Okay, So like to one in Florida, one in 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:33.280 New York, and somewhere else that of Chipotele. 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.240 Oh wow, I'm like, I never eat at Chipotle. 1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:37.919 I was going to say, someone someone's eating good. 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.000 Yeah, right, but it was like five hundred and five 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:42.439 hundred and then twelve. 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:44.400 Five hundred out at Chipotle. 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:45.439 No. 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:47.160 No, at these other places. 1:03:46.840 --> 1:03:48.000 I was going to say, they must have added the 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:52.080 guacamole on that one, right man. Okay. So I mean, 1:03:52.080 --> 1:03:54.880 here's the thing with a credit card number one your 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:58.960 your number has been deactivated, so it doesn't really make 1:03:58.960 --> 1:03:59.960 a difference at this point. 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:00.400 Okay. 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:02.960 So I would say for any account that you have. 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:06.240 Now here's the interesting little quirk with these credit cards. 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:09.720 Sometimes when they when they issue a new number, if 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:11.880 you have let's say on Amazon or something like that, 1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:14.479 sometimes these rely like if you have a subscription on there, 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:19.280 that subscription may continue to work, so it may just 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:22.440 follow through without you doing anything. Now, on places that 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:24.360 you have this card, what I would do is probably 1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:27.560 just go ahead and delete that card. Number from that system. 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:30.919 But I don't think that they got anything else other 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:32.400 than your card number. Like I don't think you need 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:34.760 to like change your Amazon account or anything like that. Like, 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:37.880 it's just a matter of deleting this card where it's saved, 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:39.920 and then when you get your new card, put that 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.560 card into the account. And that's basically it. 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:47.919 Yeah, I was pretty freaked out. I am really good 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:49.000 about you know too. 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:54.400 Yeah, the two factor two factor authentic. 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:59.400 Yeah, well yeah, it's it seems to be a mystery 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:01.640 how these people get these numbers. But I will give 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:05.760 you a couple of tips from now on whenever possible. 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.760 And I know this seems counterintuitive, but I would add 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:12.480 your debit card or your card too, or your credit card, 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:16.560 whatever you use. I would add that to your Apple 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:20.720 Pay or your Google Pay, Google Wallet or Samsung Pay, 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:24.400 and use tap to pay as much as possible. Tap 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:27.320 to Pay does not share your actual credit card number. 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:31.040 It only shares a one time number, and so that 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:33.840 will really protect your number from being out there when 1:05:33.880 --> 1:05:35.440 you are out and about. If you don't want to 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:39.280 do that, you always use the chip when possible. Put 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:42.200 the chip into the reader instead of swiping. Most of 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.040 the time. You know, when you swipe your credit card, 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:49.520 your actual card number is being given to that retailer, 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:51.720 but when you put the chip in or you use 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.480 tap to pay, they're getting a one time number that 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:57.280 only works for that one transaction, so they really can't 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:00.840 get your number of your card from there. Otherwise, if 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:05.760 you are shopping online, when possible, if you can use 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.560 a one time card number, if you're some of the 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:10.720 credit cards and debit cards allow that they give you 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:12.680 like a one time number, they'll generate it for you. 1:06:13.160 --> 1:06:15.840 If not, you try to use whether it's Google pay 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:19.200 or Apple pay or even PayPal on these websites as 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:21.240 like a third party kind of payment system, so they 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:24.560 don't actually get your real number. Or there is a 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:29.160 website called privacy dot com and you can put I 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:31.880 believe you have to use your debit card or your 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:33.480 bank accounts, so you do have to have a little 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:36.360 bit of trust in that to give that information out, 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:40.439 which I rarely do. But they can generate a one 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:43.880 time number for you, and that's actually quite handy for 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:48.200 signing up for subscriptions. So for free you can generate 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:50.920 up to twelve cards per month. And so let me 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:52.760 give you an example, let's say you sign up for 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:55.920 a free trial of Paramount Plus and it says we'll 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:58.040 give you seven days free and on the eighth day 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:00.280 we're going to charge you. Well, you can use this 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.800 privacy dot com to generate a one time number that 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:05.720 they can authorize the transaction, but the number is not 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:08.160 going to work after that. So when Paramount goes to 1:07:08.240 --> 1:07:10.840 charge you on that eighth day, when you forget, by 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:13.560 the way, because you inevitably do, that charge will not 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:15.840 go through and you'll get an email from Paramount saying, hey, 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:17.480 there's a problem with your card. We can't charge you 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.560 if you're a subscription and you go, oh, let me 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.120 delete that subscription because I really am I'm okay, I 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:24.720 don't need that. So privacy dot com is a good 1:07:24.720 --> 1:07:26.320 way to do that. It's a it's kind of a 1:07:26.320 --> 1:07:28.800 little bit of a trick, a little bit of a game, 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.440 but it's it's one of those tools to have in 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:33.560 your back pocket if you want to protect your information. 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:36.840 Thanks for the call, Pam. I know that is always 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:41.040 always just the worst when your number is taken and 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:42.960 it really is not fun. I had this happen to 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:47.880 me years ago. It was someone made a transaction at 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.800 like a kind of like the Walmart of Spain. I 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:53.840 forget it's called it Carrie for or something, and I 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:55.760 was like, what, I'm not in Spain right now, and 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.360 they used, you know, they made a big transaction. Long 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:00.640 story short, When I went to Spain, I was walking 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:03.439 down the street and I saw the place like the chain. 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:06.200 I was like, oh, that's the place where they took 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:09.280 my number that time. Now it was like a chain store, 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.480 so it wasn't that exact location. Now, if I was 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:15.680 really wild, I would go to that anyway. Samsung, let's 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:19.519 give you some Samsung news. Samsung couple of announcements this week. 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:22.800 Number one, if you have the Galaxy S twenty four, 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:26.519 it got a major update, So go into your settings 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:29.879 and update the software for the Galaxy S twenty four series, 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:31.920 whether you got the S twenty four, the S twenty 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:35.080 four Plus, or the S twenty four Ultra. Samsung was 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:37.759 promising this first major update. They said, yes, we listened 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:40.920 to user feedback. We updated the screen. So they added 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:42.680 a vividness slider, so if you want to make your 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:45.360 screen look more vivid, you can, And they did a 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:47.960 lot of fixes for the camera. And I told you 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:49.759 that there was a lot of issues with the camera. 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:52.000 It's a great camera, but they needed to polish it 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:53.479 up a little bit, and they did do that, and 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:56.000 I've been using the update. Seems to be better, but 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:57.720 I'll have to use it for a little bit to 1:08:57.760 --> 1:08:59.679 kind of see. But if you have an S twenty 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:05.120 four series, definitely check your settings uh. If you want 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.280 to check your software updates, you go into UH, let's see, 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:11.360 I'll do this right now. Go into settings, go into 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:15.479 software Update, download and Install and it will be there. 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:17.160 So it should be there. It was there on the 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:19.519 first day they said it would be. Now. If you 1:09:19.680 --> 1:09:24.439 have an older Samsung device, the S twenty three series, 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:27.840 S twenty three FE and one of the new foldables, 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:30.519 the z Fold five, the z Flip five, or even 1:09:30.560 --> 1:09:34.160 some of their recent tablets, you are getting the new 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:37.719 AI features. So that will come out in a software update, 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:41.679 and that is coming out in March, so sometime in March. 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.320 That gives them you know, March is just around the corner, 1:09:44.320 --> 1:09:46.080 but that gives them a whole couple of weeks here. 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:48.840 But you will get all of those AI features that 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:51.960 came to the new phone. They are coming to your phone, 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:53.720 so are you happy you did an upgrade, because you're 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:56.479 getting the upgrade anyway. 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You can also prese past 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:03.720 segments see what I do for TV, and there's just 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:08.599 a lot there. Let's go to Elsa in Plia del Rey, California. Elsa. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:10.639 You're on with Wretch Hi Rich. 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:12.760 I would listening to the segment about the credit card 1:11:12.760 --> 1:11:13.680 being compromised. 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:15.120 Yes, So in the. 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:18.080 Past month, I had two credit cards compromised. One was 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:21.599 a Visa Costco card which I only used to shop 1:11:21.640 --> 1:11:24.679 at Costco or get gaffs, and that would compromise about 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:25.200 two days. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:27.040 I got word two days later. 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:30.679 But my son check an account from a credit union 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:34.519 also got compromised, and he got a call from them saying, 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:37.040 you know you got compromised. Well, come to find out 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:39.720 it was not the credit union. So my point is 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:42.280 that the bank won't call you. They'll email you or 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:45.080 text you and tell you what's going on, but they 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:47.840 won't call you. The caller is that the bank called her. Yeah, 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:50.240 they don't do that for that reason. As you say, 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:53.559 you suggest get your card and call the bank directly. 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.519 Yes, And I actually wondered about that when she said that. 1:11:57.240 --> 1:12:00.320 I was curious because most of the time, like for me, 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:03.639 like what's happening, and I've traveled like all over the place, 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:06.240 and ninety nine percent of the time, either my card 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:09.240 is declined just like straight out like the other day, 1:12:09.280 --> 1:12:11.919 my card was declined. I was using it at Target, 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:14.760 and my card was declined when I used it for 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.000 my phone on tap to pay. But then when I 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:19.439 actually put my card in as a chip, like I 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:21.280 took the physical card out of my wallet and put 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:24.400 it in, it went through no problem. Other times I'll 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:27.439 notice I'll get a text immediately for my bank and 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:29.519 they'll say, hey, was this you that just tried to 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:32.479 make this transaction, and it'll give the transaction and the 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:35.200 number and the amount and all that stuff, and you press, 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:37.760 you know, say why or no, or you know, you'd 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:42.280 reply with a Y or an N. But calling I 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:44.200 I'm trying to remember if I have ever gotten a call. 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:46.439 Maybe banks did that in the past, and maybe there 1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:48.920 are still some banks that do that. But also, you're 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:53.160 absolutely right, your your red flag scam alert should go 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:56.200 up and say hold on, is this really my bank? 1:12:56.240 --> 1:12:57.960 Because what they're gonna do is they're gonna say, hey, 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:01.040 can you confirm your card number, can you confirm your 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:04.439 social oh, can you confirm your data? Birth now You've 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:08.200 just given someone three identifying pieces of information that they 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.960 can really use against you. And by the way, in 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:13.240 real time as you're telling them that, they're probably using 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:17.639 that number instantly before it gets turned off. So good reminder, Elsa. 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:20.120 And have you have you had any issues since? 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:23.439 No, what I was going to say, also with the 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:25.320 next day, he went to the credit union and they 1:13:25.320 --> 1:13:28.840 have wiped out his checking account. Oh yeah, So what 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:30.760 we ended up doing is I went to the three 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.519 credit bureaus and sproze his accounts so they couldn't open 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:35.280 anything new. That was the other thing we did. 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:37.040 And did he ever get his money back from the 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:37.679 credit union? 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:38.599 Yes? 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:42.479 Oh well that's good. Now interesting, Okay, well, I'm glad 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:43.040 to hear that. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:46.800 I think they have to. I think they have to 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.040 guarantee your phone through I think it's two hundred and 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:53.439 fifty thousand dollars if they are the FDIC, So you 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:54.800 normally do get your money back. 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:56.800 Wow, it might take a while. I mean, I know 1:13:56.880 --> 1:14:00.519 with credit card versus debit card. Debit card, it's your 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:02.439 money that you're trying to get back. Credit card it's 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:04.240 you know, you just dispute it and you got to wait. 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:08.040 But good advice, Elsa, thanks for calling in today. Appreciate it. 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:11.040 Sure it helped to listen to you Rich, So thank you. 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.320 Oh well, thank you. Well, look at we're teaching each 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:16.920 other today. It's this is like a group effort today. Yes, 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:19.920 all right, Elsa, have a great day. Thank you. Let's 1:14:20.000 --> 1:14:23.960 go to Alan Alan in West La Alan. You're on with. 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:25.360 Rich Hie Rich. 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.160 Thanks for taking my call. My parents, who are seniors 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:30.439 ninety five and eighty eight, are about to lose their 1:14:30.479 --> 1:14:34.000 favorite cable slash satellite channel. It's going to go streaming only. 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:36.200 What I don't know is I don't think all their 1:14:36.200 --> 1:14:38.800 TV sets are smart TVs. Is there any way for 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.880 me to easily allow them to still watch those stream 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:44.040 channels on those TV sets? Or do we need to 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:45.000 buy new sets? 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:47.120 No, you don't need to buy a new set. I 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:51.280 think the easiest way would be a stick like a Well, 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:52.760 did you say they're smart TVs or not? 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:55.400 I'm not sure if all their TVs are smart teas. 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.240 I think they have one or two smart TVs, but 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:58.439 the other ones, I'm not so sure. 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.639 And even if they are, if this channel, is this 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:03.799 channel going to an app? 1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:06.599 Yeah, we're going to go it has. 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:07.720 Well, I take it back. 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:09.959 I think it's just gonna stream online, but I'm not positive. 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:12.760 Oh well, okay, that makes a difference because if it's 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:15.479 just streaming online, that's gonna be trickier to get on 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:18.360 your TV set, especially for your parents. You said they 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:21.439 were how old eighty eight? Wow? 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:24.759 Good for you, healthy, still doing well, but not exactly 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:25.400 tech savvy. 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:29.439 Yeah, well, I mean so, I because here's the thing. 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:32.280 If this if this uh TV channel is going to 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:35.920 streaming only, which is like on a website, that would 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:38.960 require them to go to that website and press the stream, 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:42.679 which would be very complicated. Now, Amazon and some other 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:46.240 devices do have a web browser built in, but and 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.439 you could do that, but it's not easy. I mean 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:50.639 it's it's definitely not something that's like simple to do. 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:54.240 I'm guessing that if this channel is going streaming only, 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:56.880 they're probably gonna come out with an app that would 1:15:56.880 --> 1:16:00.040 be available on all the major platforms. So what I 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:04.040 would do is I would go on to this whatever 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.479 this channel is, and I would see where it's going 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:10.559 to be streaming, So are they coming out with an app? 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:14.679 And I would check to see what platform that app 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:17.520 is going to be available on there's three major streaming platforms. 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:19.760 You've got you got a couple, maybe more than three. 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:24.759 You've got Roku, you've got Fire TV, You've got Google TV, 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:26.920 and you've got Apple TV. Those are kind of the 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:30.880 main four. So I think for your parents, the easiest 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:35.960 is probably going to be the Fire TV stick and 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:38.040 that you can get for about thirty five dollars or 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:40.439 cheaper on Amazon. You plug it into the back of 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:42.599 the TV. It comes with the remote and you can 1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:45.280 easily just install this app on there and your parents 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:47.680 will have it in Is this TV Japan that you're 1:16:47.680 --> 1:16:48.639 talking about or No. 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:50.240 That's exactly what I'm talking about. 1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:52.240 I was gonna say because I I remember reading an 1:16:52.320 --> 1:16:54.800 article about this, and all of the articles, by the way, 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:57.439 they all the headline was like the first network to 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:59.559 go streaming only, and I was like, what network is this? 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.040 And so I was remembering that I read something, but 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:03.719 it took me a second to find it and remember. 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.640 But yeah, TV Japan, So it's okay. It says the 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:09.679 company's going to move its offerings to a new streaming 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:14.160 service called JM. It's going to cost twenty five dollars 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:16.360 a month before taxes. Wow. That's interesting. 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:20.000 How much they pay for cable though, so it's basically 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:21.040 about the same price. 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:23.160 Okay, Well, and look and if this is something they 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:25.200 like and something they watch, then I mean it's gonna 1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:28.000 be just fine. But I'm looking at this to see 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:29.720 what it's going to say. It says to go to 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:34.920 watch dot JM dot TV. It doesn't give details. Oh yeah, 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:37.280 it's gonna be available on internet connected devices, So I 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:39.439 have a feeling it's going to be on all the 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:41.439 main platforms that you can get, you know, like the 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:44.280 Roku's and the firetvs and all that. So I think 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:46.720 the easiest way is just going to be just going 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:50.280 with like a fireTV stick. Roku also makes a stick 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:52.720 that could be easy. But the bottom line is you're 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:54.639 gonna have to just, you know, teach your parents once 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:57.439 or twice how to get and open this app. And 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:59.599 once you figure that out, you know, with them, it'll 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:03.120 be pretty pretty smooth sailing from there. Are they ready 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:05.320 for this? What's that? 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:07.760 That can be even done on a non smart TV set? 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:10.160 Oh yeah, you just get as long as it has 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:12.880 an HDMI connector on the back, you'll just plug. You'll 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:16.479 plug the little it looks like they call it a dongle. 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.679 I mean it's a really it's just a small little 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:21.839 device that everything is all in this little tiny device 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:25.400 that plugs into the back of the TV. You'll just 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:27.720 need to plug that into HDMI and then there's one 1:18:27.720 --> 1:18:30.320 more cable that you'll plug into a power outlet that 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:32.439 will latch onto Wi Fi. Now that's the question. Do 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:33.120 they have Wi Fi? 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:34.080 They do? 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:40.120 Okay, So there you go, good Son, this is what happens. 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:43.080 I'm providing tech support for the masses. You are providing 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:47.000 it for the one on one family members we do weekend. 1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:48.960 Thank you so much, Rich I really appreciate. 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:50.360 All right, Alan, have a great day there. Thank you 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:52.800 so much for calling today. Triple eight rich one on 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:56.760 one eight eight eight seven four to two four one 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:59.679 zero one. I talked about it last week. My mom 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:02.960 recently switched from fire TV to the Roku and she 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:06.040 actually likes the Roku better. So, and here's the thing. 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.280 You know, a lot of people are not necessarily tech savvy, 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:11.720 but they can be taught how to do what they 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.920 need to do, especially when they're trying to access something 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:18.760 like streaming TV network or you know, music on a 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:22.720 you know, smart speaker, whatever it is, give them the instructions. 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:24.880 Maybe they have to write it down, but they will 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:26.439 figure it out. And just check in with them once 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:28.240 in a while. Some people are too embarrassed to say 1:19:28.240 --> 1:19:30.320 that they can't figure it out, and they'll go like 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:34.200 six weeks without watching TV. Literally just ask, just say, hey, 1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:36.960 is everything okay with your streaming setup? Is everything working? 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.200 And they might say, now, I haven't gotten into work 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:41.200 for two weeks. Now, well give me a call. Just 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:43.720 let them know that, not me, but you if you're 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:47.000 helping them, but they can call me too. If you're 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:50.599 into sports, Apple has a new sports app called Apple Sports. 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:54.400 This is a free iPhone app that provides real time 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:58.559 score stats and more. It's very very easy to use. 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:01.120 You download it for the iPhone. It is free. It's 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:04.120 available now. It supports a bunch of leagues MLS and 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:10.600 NBA college basketball, NHL, a bunch of international leagues. The 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:13.760 first question I got from all the people that saw 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:15.439 this app when I announced that they came out with 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:19.599 this this week, they said, rich, where's football? Where's hockey? 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:22.080 I said, don't worry, it's going to come in time 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.479 for the season. So when you look at this app. 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:26.839 It is very simple to use. You choose your favorite 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:32.919 sports teams. It says yesterday, today, and tomorrow or upcoming, 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.080 and it just shows you when your teams are playing, 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.240 what time. It gives you all the stats you need. 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:40.679 It gives you the final scores, give you the live scores. 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.519 There is one controversial feature, or I guess I should 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:47.240 say somewhat controversial, but it does have live betting odds, 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:49.600 and some people were taken aback and said, there's no 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:51.559 way that Steve Jobs were to put this in an 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:55.920 Apple app. We don't know. But you can turn off 1:20:56.000 --> 1:20:58.160 the betting odds in the setting, So if you are 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:01.760 don't want that to show up, go ahead, you can 1:21:01.800 --> 1:21:04.920 turn that off now. Because I saw this on the iPhone, 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:07.120 it's so easy to use, I was looking on Android 1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:09.880 to see if there is something similar, and there are 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:12.640 many apps that you can get sports scores from. I 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:15.160 think one of the biggest is Yahoo Sports. You can 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:17.360 install that, pick your favorite teams. It will show you 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:20.200 all those, but so will Google. If you just type 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:23.920 in sports on Google, it will give you all of 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:26.519 your favorite sports teams, and if you're in the Google app, 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:29.040 it will give you a link a shortcut that you 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:32.040 can then put on your homepage. And for me, I've 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:34.800 got my favorite teams and it does basically the same thing. 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.599 And I think one thing that Google does really well 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:39.920 when you look up a game is it gives you 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:44.080 where it's playing. So, for instance, tonight, there will be 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.160 a game that I'm watching it says TV and streaming, 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:49.120 and so I just tap there and I could see 1:21:49.160 --> 1:21:53.599 exactly where it's streaming, which is ESPN and Fubo. So 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.120 I feel like Google does a really good job of this. 1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:58.920 Of course, it's Google Apple. It's just simple. It's on 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:00.960 your phone, it's in an app. But it's kind of 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.880 cool that they came out with this because when they 1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:06.080 met with me to tell me about it, which you know, 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:08.200 the way Apple works, they say, hey, Rich, we'd love 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:10.360 to meet with you. What about we can't tell you? 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:12.880 So I drive over there, I get into this room 1:22:13.240 --> 1:22:15.759 and they have all, you know, their big executives sitting 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.559 there just talking sports. I'm like, who talks sports at Apple? 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:21.200 And so it was all to kind of set me 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:22.960 up for the fact that they were setting up this 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:25.080 sports app, and I was like, good thing. I just 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:28.320 started watching some sports with my kids. Because I kind 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:30.120 of was able to hold my own most of the time. 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:32.439 I'm just talking technology, but I know a little bit 1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:35.400 about sports here and there. But anyway, Apple Sports is 1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:36.680 the app. If you want to link to it, go 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:39.760 to the website. Rich On Tech dot TV. All right, 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:41.320 coming up, I told you the good about Apple. I'm 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:42.800 gonna tell you the bad. I told you I have 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:44.639 a bone to pick with Apple about I Message. I'll 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.200 tell you about that coming up, plus more of your calls, 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:50.559 your messages, and we've got an interview coming up about 1:22:50.560 --> 1:23:00.240 AI crimes. You are listening to rich on Tech told 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:03.080 you have a bone to pick with Apple, and first 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:04.960 I'll tell you the good, then I'll tell you the bad. 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:09.200 So first off, Apple is making I Message even more secure. 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:14.880 They're launching post quantum encryption in I message through some 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:19.040 updates on iOS and mac os. And what is post 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:23.720 quantum encryption, you ask, Well, here's the answer. It's algorithms 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:28.280 that will protect against potential future attacks from quantum computers. 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:32.240 So quantum computers they're expecting to be so powerful that 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:36.240 they could crack current encryption methods. So we have a 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:39.680 form of encryption right now that is pretty good. But 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.160 the computers in the future that are going to be 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:46.280 so high powered they could potentially crack this encryption that 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:49.559 we already have. So that's coming to I Message, which 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:52.400 means that you know, Apple has been on this march 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:55.519 with their phones to make them very privacy centric, and 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:57.599 I do like that. I do appreciate that about Apple. 1:23:58.320 --> 1:24:01.000 I think they've pushed the envelope in so many ways, 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:03.679 whether it is Safari, which is not really taken off 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:06.200 in a big way on the desktop, but on iPhone 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:09.840 that's the default, and it is a more private web 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:11.800 browser when you look at you know, you look at 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:14.479 those privacy tests that I was looking at earlier, and 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:17.479 there's just so many things that these browsers are getting 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:20.479 access to, not to mention, you know, things even like 1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:23.479 your microphone and camera. So if the web browser is 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:25.680 not doing a good job protecting you from cookies and 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:28.320 all that stuff, you know, it could be a problem. 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:30.680 And you know, these marketers love it, but there could 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:33.559 also be more security issues there too, So I'm glad 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:35.880 that I Message is becoming more secure. I think that 1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:39.280 messaging in general is a mess. There are ten thousand 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.200 different ways to message people, and that is not a 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.000 good thing. It's it's I mean, it's a good thing 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:47.320 that there's choice, but it's a bad thing that and 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:49.920 this is my bone to pick with Apple. I Message 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:53.320 has become such a force in the messaging industry. Right 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:57.440 every single person that has an iPhone has I Message. 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:00.960 It is pretty much turned on by default, and it's 1:25:00.960 --> 1:25:04.400 an amazing thing. It makes your messages secure. It's end 1:25:04.439 --> 1:25:07.200 to end encrypted from iPhone to iPhone. It lets you 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:09.599 send big pictures back in the day when you couldn't 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:14.600 send full resolution across SMS, full videos, lets you do 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:18.280 as little tap back things. That is all really nice. 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:21.400 The bad part is about I Message is that they 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:26.719 have made I Message such a proprietary thing for Apple 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:29.599 and the Apple ecosystem that when people that are outside 1:25:29.640 --> 1:25:33.320 try to text an iPhone, people with iPhones snub their 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:35.840 nose and they really give these people a hard time. 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:37.960 And I was hearing a story the other day of 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:40.719 how this happens in the real world at high schools, 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:43.919 and we've heard the stories. I've actually talked to students 1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:47.760 before how they will say with no problem that they 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:51.120 feel that people that haven't Android are lesser than the 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:54.800 people with an iPhone. And this happens across America. Blue 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.840 bubble versus Green bubble. We've heard of this before, and 1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:00.360 so it's really heartbreaking to me when I hear of 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:05.760 actual stories of students being ostracized in their schools by 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:08.280 other students because they don't have an iPhone. There is 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:11.040 no reason why you need to have an iPhone. Android 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:13.160 is just fine. It used to be people thought they 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:16.160 were cheaper. They weren't as good. People say, oh, are 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:17.679 you going to get an iPhone so you can actually 1:26:17.680 --> 1:26:21.240 text me properly. Let's not forget about the fact that 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:27.280 Apple has made I Message incompatible with other platforms out there. 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:30.920 Apple tomorrow could come out with an I message app 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.559 that works on Android or works on Windows computers. That 1:26:34.640 --> 1:26:38.320 would immediately be the number one messaging app in America 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.479 and it would work across all things. People on Android 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:43.920 did pay ninety nine cents a month for access to 1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:47.479 that maybe more. Apple don't do this. I asked people 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.080 on my Instagram. I said, hey, have you ever heard 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:52.639 of anything like this? One person said, it's awful. High 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:55.360 school teacher here, They purposely leave kids out when they 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.519 don't have an iPhone. Another person said it happens with adults. 1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:03.400 I'm not surprised, it's so sad. Someone else said, that's absurd, 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:07.200 not unexpected. Kids can be terrible. An adult said, I've 1:27:07.200 --> 1:27:10.559 been excluded from my entire first grade parent group because 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:14.479 I have an Android, so mature. Another person said, I 1:27:14.520 --> 1:27:17.000 get that as an adult. Bullies will always be bullies 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:20.880 must be kids that don't have Snapchat, because that's the 1:27:20.920 --> 1:27:24.080 only way kids communicate. That is true. You're listening to 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:33.759 Rich on Tech. Joining me now is Neil O'Farrell, founder 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:37.439 of the Center for AI Crime. He's been looking into 1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:42.400 ways AI is accelerating all kinds of scams and frauds. Neil, 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:43.679 thanks so much for joining me today. 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:45.479 Hey, great to be rich. 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:49.200 Let's explain first off, what the Center for AI Crime is. 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:50.080 What's that all about. 1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:53.560 Yeah, this is the thing that messed up my retirement. 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:56.599 So I've been in cybersecurity and fought for forty years 1:27:56.600 --> 1:27:59.280 and decided i'd retire a couple of years ago, and 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:03.040 then AI and chat GPT came along, and suddenly it 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:07.439 looked like fraud was going to just turn into an 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:09.920 entirely different beast. So I thought I would found this 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:13.439 to try and focus people's attention on what I think 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:17.120 is a coming info and crime epidemic. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:19.479 Why do you think that? What do you think AI 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:23.400 is going to do for the threats we already experience. 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.040 I think it's going to mean more criminals, more crimes, 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:31.440 and more victims. And I call it SAP, SAP scalability, 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:35.320 accuracy and plausibility. It's going to scale crimes at a 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:39.280 level we've never seen before. The accuracy accuracy will be 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:43.360 almost pinpoint, and the plausibility of the attacks will be 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:47.240 so hard to detect from from the real things. They 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:48.160 will claim more. 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:51.639 Victims, So the accuracy part. So one of the big 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.439 telltale signs of some sort of like phishing scam is 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:58.120 misspellings and you know, a poor use of English. So 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.320 you're saying with AI that stuff is going to be 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:01.200 a thing of the past. 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:05.240 Oh, absolutely, it already is. I mean, in the twelve 1:29:05.280 --> 1:29:10.240 months after the arrival of chat GBT, phishing emails searched 1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:14.080 about close to thirteen hundred percent. But more than that, 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:17.960 the quality was incredible. So the English is perfect, the 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:21.240 grammar is perfect. If you don't speak English, whatever language 1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:24.600 you speak or they expect you to speak, will be perfect. 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:27.759 It will it will have so few of the giveaway 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:31.240 tell tales that we knew from before. And if it 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:35.400 mixes in good social engineering, like with spearfishing, so it 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:39.439 sounds familiar, it mentions something about your family, or your job, 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:42.200 or your social connections, it's going to be very easy 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:43.080 to draw you in. 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:46.479 Okay, so spear phishing, I mean, what types of AI 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:48.680 scams do you think will be the biggest threat to 1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:50.479 consumers over the next couple of years? 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:54.160 Gosh, I mean, so we look, we look at at 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:56.960 how AI is changing crime, and so far we've come 1:29:57.040 --> 1:29:59.720 up with more than twenty one different ways. So it's 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:03.719 going to to touch everything. It's going to accelerate bang fraud, 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:06.240 check fraud. You'll be able to print your own checks 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:10.519 that will be indistinguishable from the real thing. AI has 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:16.040 proven itself already capable of forging drivers, licenses, utility bills, 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:20.200 PERSH certificates so well that even government biometric systems can 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:21.000 tell the difference. 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:23.599 Oh wow, we talked about that. By the way, there's 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:25.479 like a you know, it used to be when you 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:27.680 wanted a fake ID, people you know, you get one 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:30.000 when you're you know, under twenty one or whatever. Some 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.960 people would you know, you'd go somewhere and it would 1:30:32.960 --> 1:30:35.880 look horrible. Now, we saw online a report the other 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:38.040 day that you know, they could generate these things in 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:41.960 seconds online and use them for online verification systems. 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:45.400 Yeah, and for no more than fifteen bucks. And that 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:47.960 was the first version. You know, once competition kicks in, 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:50.120 it could be five books, it could be fifty cents. 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:54.200 Who knows. So everywhere you look at crime AI has 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:55.919 got a sticky little fingers already. 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:59.240 So you mentioned this spear phishing attack, So this is 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:01.559 and this is where it all comes into play. The 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.880 information that's available about you online. You know, when there's 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.400 a data breach and you're let's say your social or 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.479 your address, like, there's so much there's a whole picture 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.760 of people available online. The spearfishing will use some of 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:16.800 that data to kind of target you specifically explain that. 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:20.719 Yeah. So I remember having a conversation with a pretty 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.200 notorious identity thief a while ago, and I said, look, 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:27.400 there are hundreds of millions of our stolen personal files 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.800 on the internet, right, he said, absolutely, five times of 1:31:30.920 --> 1:31:33.720 many humans, five times as many data records as there 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:36.800 are humans. And so why haven't we all been victim 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:39.639 of identity theft many times over, and he said, simply, 1:31:39.760 --> 1:31:43.000 there aren't enough identity theves that thieves don't have the 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:45.519 time to get to all this data and make use 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.439 of it. AI is now changing that. So if I 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:53.280 want to mass market spear phishing emails, AI can be 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:56.639 used to pick out all the pieces of information about 1:31:56.640 --> 1:32:01.040 you specifically or your family and craft that into the 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:05.920 phishing email so that the language is right, the cues, 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:09.599 the comfort cues, the social engineering feels right. It will 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.400 pick up on something in your past, your favorite teacher, 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:15.760 your first power, your first dog, and that makes the 1:32:15.840 --> 1:32:20.040 spear phishing email or phone call or text message so 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:24.000 much more believable. You'll drop your guard for that precious moment. 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:26.400 So what are some of the other ways you identify 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:28.679 that we're going to be hit with this stuff? 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:34.559 I think senior scams are going to soar and again 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:38.080 because of the plausibility. I mean, if you think about it, 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:42.720 half of the phone scams that you that we see 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:46.320 today come from one city in India and it's near 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:50.360 the Bangladesh border. The the the accents are very distinct, 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:53.679 the way of speaking is very distinctive. You've heard these 1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:57.160 calls every sentence begins with the word sir, which is 1:32:57.240 --> 1:33:00.320 not typical of how you would speak in America. AI 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:03.400 will change all that, and that the recipient will will 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:05.920 get a phone call from someone with an accent identical 1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:09.840 to theirs. We'll talk about the weather, we'll talk about 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:12.479 what their favorite team has to be doing at that time. 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:17.519 And for seniors who are a little bit more trusting, 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:19.840 who maybe are a little bit lonely or a little 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.559 bit bored, they're much more likely to be drawn into that. 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:26.360 And that romance scam can morph into an investment scam 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:31.519 and all kinds of things. So and that's part of 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:34.800 the problem too. We will see these combo scams right 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:36.639 where once they have the hook in, it might start 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:39.600 as a romance scam and send me money because you 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:42.719 care for me. Then as the trust is built, is well, 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.320 instead of sending me money, let's make money together so 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:47.799 I don't have to depend on you. And then finally 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:49.720 when they shut it down and say I have no 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:52.600 more money. As well, remember those racy photos that you 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:55.320 said of me, send me more money or everyone sees 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:59.880 those again. AI is capable of mixing and matching all 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:01.519 different attacks into the one. 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:05.800 So at the end of the day, Are we Is 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:07.320 it hopeless for humans? 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:12.360 You know what? I don't. I've never been this stumped. 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:15.559 I really haven't. And and this is just it's just 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:18.559 a little over a year since the arrival of chet GPT, 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.240 so we've all we're only were this is only the 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:24.559 tip of the iceberg, and yet we're seeing and so 1:34:24.600 --> 1:34:26.840 many of the experts I talked to say they're stumped 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:30.640 as well. But we're no, we're not helpless. Obviously, we 1:34:30.640 --> 1:34:33.360 should be doing everything we've been screaming about for years. 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:38.599 You know, shields up, be smart about passwords, be smart 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:42.680 about what you click on. Use multi factor authentication absolutely 1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:46.040 everywhere it's offered, freeze your credit, all those things. Do them? 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:49.160 Do them now? Do them often. You've also got to 1:34:49.160 --> 1:34:53.760 be skeptical and vigilant. But also the best defense is 1:34:53.800 --> 1:34:56.680 the context. It's not who you think is asking you 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:59.240 to do something, it's what they're asking you to do, 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:02.240 and that's the Does that sound normal? You know that? 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:07.200 Does that person that you just met really do you 1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:09.720 really believe they've fallen so head over heels in love 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:11.240 with you that they want you to send money for 1:35:11.280 --> 1:35:14.600 a ticket to bring the family over if that, you know, 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:18.639 crypto investment scheme is so good, Why is this stranger 1:35:18.800 --> 1:35:22.000 offering to bring you in on it? You know, since 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:25.439 when does your local police department accept zell Or a 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:28.040 gift card to pay a fine to make it go away. 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:31.479 We just had that. We just had that story at 1:35:31.479 --> 1:35:34.240 the TV station I work at. They you know, I'm 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:36.080 sure it's happening in other places, but you know, in 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.559 southern California, they they had, you know, the law enforcement 1:35:39.600 --> 1:35:42.120 quote unquote was calling businesses and saying, hey, we got 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:43.719 a warrant for you. You gotta come and you gotta 1:35:43.720 --> 1:35:46.000 pay this, but don't come to the station. Just pay 1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:48.720 us via you know bitcoiner. I mean, that sense a 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.640 red flag to me. But clearly it must work if 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:52.400 they're trying this. 1:35:53.560 --> 1:35:56.280 Yeah, and again it's the social engineering part of it. 1:35:56.280 --> 1:36:00.320 It's fear and panic, and they're they they they're they're 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:03.160 topping into the understandable human nature. Well, it's it's it's 1:36:03.479 --> 1:36:07.240 it's from law enforcement. It's quote it sounds legitimate. I 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:09.840 really need to take take care of it first and 1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:12.679 investigate it afterwards. And you have to flip that. It's 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.439 let me take a deep breath, let me just hang 1:36:15.520 --> 1:36:19.479 up and verify this some other way. And that is 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:21.840 by far. I mean I always say that the most 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:25.280 powerful crime fighting technology of them all is wedged right 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.599 between your ears. Just switch the thing on. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.760 I get sad about this, though, when you tell me 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:32.720 that we have to be so skeptical, because I am 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:35.400 very skeptical of everything. Like my ask my kids, they 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:38.320 will I don't believe anyone. I don't believe anything. I've 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:40.759 got a girl scout that comes to my door selling cookies, 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:44.040 and I'm wondering what the scam is now getting. But 1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:46.080 we need to be you know, you've got to be 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:48.200 aware of this stuff. And you know I talk about 1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:50.280 it all the time, so I hear about it. But 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:53.240 the reality is what you just said is that sometimes 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:55.960 they catch you and it's something that's quick. It's something 1:36:55.960 --> 1:36:59.000 that's hasty. And of course we've all heard haste makes waste. 1:36:59.080 --> 1:37:01.479 That is very true when it comes to these scams 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:04.080 as well. People are just acting very quickly, and then 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:05.839 when you think about it, you're like, wait a second. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:08.720 You saw that article with the woman the scammed out 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:12.680 of the fifty thousand dollars the financial columnist, I mean 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:15.800 that was a wild story, and every second of the 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:18.080 way you're like, how would someone fall for this? But 1:37:18.240 --> 1:37:21.000 yet she did. All right, Neil, we're gonna leave it there. 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:22.960 I love this list that you came up with on 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:26.719 your website, the website Center for AI Crime dot org. 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:30.640 You've got twenty different ways that AI is going or 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:34.639 more than twenty actually that AI is accelerating all kinds 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:37.760 of scams and frauds. So thanks so much for joining 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:38.360 me today, Neil. 1:37:38.840 --> 1:37:39.920 Thanks ch appreciate it. 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:43.760 All right again, website Center for AI crime dot org. 1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:47.519 Educate yourself, Educate yourself, educate your friends and family. I'll 1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.799 put the link on the website. Rich on Tech dot TV, 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:53.639 all right, coming up, we'll have a couple more stories. 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:57.200 Here'll tell you about the Facebook funeral scams and we'll 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.719 do the feedback segment you are listening to on tech 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:08.479 Have you heard about this latest scam? We were just 1:38:08.520 --> 1:38:13.959 talking scams four or four media reporting. Facebook funeral scams 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:18.960 are now a thing. Scammers create fake Facebook accounts announcing 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:22.760 funeral live streams for recently deceased people. They use real 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:26.400 names and photos from legitimate funeral announcements, and when you 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:28.800 go there to watch the funeral, it asks you to 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:31.920 put in credit card information to watch the live stream, 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:34.800 and this is when they steal your financial data. So 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:38.400 obviously these scams prey on grieving friends and family when 1:38:38.439 --> 1:38:42.400 of course they are emotionally vulnerable, and it causes a 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:46.240 lot of stress and confusion because people are wondering what's 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:52.560 happening here. Facebook has a policy that says this violates 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:56.120 the policy, but four or four Media found dozens of 1:38:56.160 --> 1:39:00.320 active scam funeral live stream pages on the platform. By 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:03.040 the way, this also happens with sports and music events. 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.160 I actually heard about this with sports events like Little 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:08.240 League sports, I think, where you try to watch your kids' 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:10.479 sports on Facebook and they try to get you to 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:12.800 do this as well. So again one more thing to 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:16.880 be concerned with. Apple this week says putting your wet 1:39:16.920 --> 1:39:19.040 iPhone in rice to dry it out is not a 1:39:19.080 --> 1:39:22.040 good idea. Remember all the years we've heard how great 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.880 rice is for drying out your phone, and once you're 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:27.439 done drying out your phone, you can cook up the 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:29.439 rice and eat it. It's like a two and one. 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:33.720 Not yet, don't want to do that. But Apple now 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:37.839 officially advises against using rice to dry out a wet iPhone. 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:42.000 Why because rice particles can get into the charging port 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.760 and damage the phone. I've talked about this before. It 1:39:44.800 --> 1:39:47.519 is Apple's goal to get rid of every single port 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:49.200 on the phone. They are down to just one, that 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:52.000 charging port. It will be gone. One of these days. 1:39:52.040 --> 1:39:54.040 We will not have any sort of port. Remember when 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:55.760 you first got a phone, it had, you know, a 1:39:55.800 --> 1:40:00.479 simcard slot, It had a earphone, you know, a headphone. 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:02.840 It had you know, the cable connector at the bottom 1:40:02.840 --> 1:40:05.599 which was huge speaker grill, all that stuff. They want 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:09.280 to get rid of everything. So that's happening, but not 1:40:09.479 --> 1:40:11.640 just yet. The last one is the port. Anyway, So 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:14.280 how do you dry out your phone? Tap the phone 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:18.759 gently against your hand to remove excess liquid. So point 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:21.400 the port down and then tap it. Get rid of 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:24.000 that excess liquid. Let the phone dry out for half 1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:27.080 an hour. Plug it in. If you see a message 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:29.160 on your phone that says the charging port is wet, 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:31.760 take the plug back out. Let it dry out for 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:34.719 up to twenty four hours. Try again. Do not use 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:36.880 a hair dryer, Do not use a can of air. 1:40:37.240 --> 1:40:39.759 Do not use a cotton swab or a paper towel 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:45.120 to dry the iPhone. You know, newer iPhones and pretty 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:48.200 much every smartphone is water resistant. They're not water proof, 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:51.439 and liquid damage can still occur. You just need to 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:53.960 make sure that you're drying this thing out if it 1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:57.920 does get wet. But these are not underwater cameras. Let's 1:40:57.920 --> 1:41:02.479 be real here, these things are not underwater cameras. All right, now, 1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:05.599 time for the feedbacks feedback segment. These are the emails, 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:07.760 the comments, and the questions I get from you. If 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:09.519 you want to submit yours, go to Rich on tech 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:13.559 dot TV hit contact. We got a bunch about the 1:41:13.600 --> 1:41:17.280 whole credit card situation here. While Anett writes in about 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:21.320 the I message I teach at the high school level, 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:24.360 kids bully for everything, not just iPhones. All the anti 1:41:24.400 --> 1:41:27.719 bullying rhetoric does nothing. It's so difficult to be around 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.200 them as everything is driven by social media and what 1:41:30.400 --> 1:41:33.240 others think about them. They are so addicted to their 1:41:33.280 --> 1:41:36.080 phones and that's all they think about constantly, and they 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:40.280 cannot stop a net. I am not at a school, 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:42.880 but I agree and I hear it from my kids. 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:49.800 It is insane. The level of influence social media has 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:54.880 on children today absolutely insane. The stuff they do, the 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:57.679 things they do, the things they want the things, they'll 1:41:57.760 --> 1:42:02.479 try the challenges. Everything is driven by social media. Now, 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:04.720 when I was a kid, we had the same pressures. 1:42:05.040 --> 1:42:07.439 Believe me, I bought Zeke Cavalrici's. When I was a kid, 1:42:08.080 --> 1:42:10.559 I had to have the parachute pants. But it was 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:14.120 a different way. It was his mainstream media that really 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.680 led the way. And so it was MTV and all 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:19.599 these things, and you watch the cool kids on there 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:21.799 and you want to what they had. Now it's anyone 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:24.599 that has a TikTok account that could influence your kids, 1:42:24.880 --> 1:42:28.719 whether what they're saying is true or not. Bosmo says, 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:32.400 great bumper tunes today, Adam, look at that producer, Adam 1:42:32.400 --> 1:42:35.679 playing some good tunes. They say. They agree with the caller. 1:42:35.720 --> 1:42:38.439 That appreciates your tone and patience. We are learning together, 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:42.640 he mentions another radio person. They're not about patients, but 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:44.759 that's why we listen to them. Keep up the good work. 1:42:46.880 --> 1:42:50.000 Let's see. PJ says about stolen credit card numbers. My 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:53.759 credit card issuers send an email notification for every transaction. Wow, 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:58.000 really that might get annoying. I check every notice. Twice. 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:00.360 I've had the number used fraudulently and have had to 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:02.120 get a new card. In one case, I was able 1:43:02.120 --> 1:43:05.240 to stop the thief from getting their merchandise. Strongly suggests 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:07.400 not using a debit card for any type of purchase. 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:11.280 PJ the debit card. I love debit cards, and I 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:14.160 actually use my debit card by default. And I actually, 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:15.880 now that I think about it, I do have a 1:43:16.640 --> 1:43:19.200 notification on my phone. Every time I use my debit card, 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:21.640 I get a notification from my bank that tells me 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:25.160 about the transaction. Percent of the time it's someone in 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:27.519 my house ordering something off Amazon. I'm like, now, what's 1:43:27.560 --> 1:43:31.120 that for. But I do like debit cards because I 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:34.040 like to know the whole not going into debt thing. 1:43:34.160 --> 1:43:36.640 But I get it. Credit card definitely feels like it 1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:39.960 protects you more, for sure, Vicky says, listening to Today's 1:43:39.960 --> 1:43:43.160 show and calls on identities of cards. In the past 1:43:43.200 --> 1:43:45.559 ten days, I've had four credit cards opened in my name, 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:48.960 not only in my name, but in my social Security number. 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:52.000 I was notified by a credit monitoring service about hard inquiries, 1:43:52.000 --> 1:43:55.080 and my credit scores started falling. I've spent over thirty 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:58.160 hours so far notifying the credit bureaus, calling the credit 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:01.000 card companies, reporting to the FTC and reporting to my 1:44:01.040 --> 1:44:04.599 local sheriff and Social Security administration. I've had card theft 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:08.040 identity several times, so that was easy to fix. My 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:11.080 social Security number is a different matter. I've asked for freezes. 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:15.400 I got a new inquiry last night. Oh thanks, Vicky, Ah, Vicky. 1:44:15.439 --> 1:44:18.480 I know this is the tough part. Once the information's 1:44:18.520 --> 1:44:20.880 out there, it's really tough to recall it, and that 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:25.120 is a struggle for sure. And Shelby says, someone with 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:27.639 an older TV can buy you a smart DVD player. 1:44:27.680 --> 1:44:29.639 The DVD player will be able to stream the channels. 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:31.960 The DVD basically turns the TV into a smart TV. 1:44:32.040 --> 1:44:36.040 Don't be needing to use a DVD for it to work? Yes, 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:39.200 but I don't think the app will be on this 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:42.880 smart DVD player for sure. I don't. I don't really 1:44:42.880 --> 1:44:46.080 think it would be there. So I think the the 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:50.680 fire sticks probably gonna be better. And finally, let's see here, 1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:54.160 I had one more here. Rich sounds like you have 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:57.960 a great topic outdoor TVs. Oh well, we'll save that 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:00.439 for next week. But they say they use an now TV. 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:02.680 No problem, all right, if you can believe it, that's 1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:04.080 gonna do it. For this episode of the show. You 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:07.040 can find links on the website richon Tech dot TV. 1:45:07.240 --> 1:45:10.320 Find me there at richon Tech next week how AI 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.840 is being used to fight food allergies. Thanks so much 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:15.679 for listening. There are so many ways you can spend 1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:18.400 your time. I do appreciate you spending it right here 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:18.640 with me.