Speaker 1: Mister Dennison, We're so happy that you're here on the
Speaker 1: House of Hallowell to talk about the show. Briand's going
Speaker 1: to give a really quick synopsis.
Speaker 2: Season one, episode three, Thank You for Not Morphing, premiered
Speaker 2: October twenty first, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3: The mysterious return of Victor.
Speaker 2: Halliwell gives new meaning to the term daddy issues when
Speaker 2: the Hallewell sisters realize their long lost.
Speaker 3: Father is back for the Book of Shadows.
Speaker 2: While the sisters suspect their dad has sinister motives, a
Speaker 2: trio of shape shifting neighbors are the real culprits.
Speaker 3: Why do you sound more and more like Kasey Kasem. Sorry,
Speaker 3: we should really give this back to Drew. No, I
Speaker 3: don't think so. I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 1: I mean I literally just wrote on here and I
Speaker 1: love him doing this, like to Holly, because you really
Speaker 1: get into this whole like voiceover actor the don't have
Speaker 1: a future in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. It's so good and welcome to
Speaker 3: Daddy number one forever known as Daddy number one. Yes,
Speaker 3: Tony Dennison.
Speaker 4: My wife tells me when she goes to different places,
Speaker 4: and she says, oh, my husband's an actor, and they say, oh,
Speaker 4: you know what has he even in? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: saw that show. And then they go, wait a minute.
Speaker 4: He was the first father on Charmed.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were Daddy number one ER's father,
Speaker 1: which is really interesting.
Speaker 3: Can I ask, like, what happened?
Speaker 4: I remember what's his name? Les Sheldon called me in
Speaker 4: and or called me on the phone and said, because
Speaker 4: I had a really nice relationship with Aaron. You know,
Speaker 4: I met him through Michael Mann, and like, Aaron just became.
Speaker 1: Sort of like a just just drop that name right there,
Speaker 1: Michael Mann just one of the best directors in the world.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, well anyway.
Speaker 4: That's how I met him. Met him at a birthday
Speaker 4: party for Brandon and tartakoffin For some reason, Aaron just
Speaker 4: took a tremendous liking to me. And then I I
Speaker 4: get this call, you know, several like couple of years later,
Speaker 4: would you like to do this thing? And I said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 4: you know, for you, of course I'll do it. And
Speaker 4: uh and then what happened is I got a call
Speaker 4: from Less and he said that I even though I
Speaker 4: was the right age at the time, Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I had to show them I knew my age, and
Speaker 4: you know, I think I remember I showed one of
Speaker 4: you guys my driver's license to let you know it
Speaker 4: was really like forty something or whatever, and uh and
Speaker 4: they said, no, you just look too young. They said,
Speaker 4: you just look like there was a scene you did
Speaker 4: with Shannon where you like you were holding her and
Speaker 4: it thought it were more like you were going to
Speaker 4: date her rather than to be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we said. Yesterday.
Speaker 4: I said, I can't help was to put some gray
Speaker 4: in my hair? What do you want me to do?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what to do. And because
Speaker 4: I really had a ball.
Speaker 1: But working on the show, there were a few moments
Speaker 1: where like, I remember Holly as Piper, So.
Speaker 3: Now, why are we going back to my moment? But
Speaker 3: your moment was first know you was, Yes, it was
Speaker 3: when you said there was sexual attention there.
Speaker 1: Well, you told me that there was sexual attention and I, okay, agrees,
Speaker 1: I only saw it.
Speaker 3: What is the line that I'm not telling you?
Speaker 1: When Holly looked at you and said, we're still your
Speaker 1: little girls, just witches? Like the way she said it
Speaker 1: was so sexual, and I was like, it was not inappropriate.
Speaker 4: Your father was it was it a Lissa, one of
Speaker 4: you guys came and visited me. And when I was
Speaker 4: at the hotel.
Speaker 5: Phoebe and he comes and visits while you're getting massaged, I.
Speaker 4: Had a towel around me. It was like, and she was.
Speaker 1: Wearing like a low cut, really tight top also, and
Speaker 1: then you're in a towel with a robe over it
Speaker 1: and you hug her and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she said, hello, Daddy.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Hello Daddy. A man that I haven't seen since
Speaker 1: I was one years old, but now I.
Speaker 4: Call him my mind, my mind as a as a man,
Speaker 4: you know, is Tony never traveled to that place ever.
Speaker 4: So it was just, I guess just the fact that
Speaker 4: I just looked young, so too young.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought you were amazing in the episode. I
Speaker 1: thought you were really good and personally, I think it
Speaker 1: was a hard episode to do just because of the
Speaker 1: whole like morphing aspect and all of that. Like there
Speaker 1: were some you know, things that were a little odd
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Well, it was the first time meet I had done
Speaker 4: one science fiction thing with Mario van People's It was
Speaker 4: about where I turned into a werewolf for something. It
Speaker 4: was full of clips on HBO anyway, But this was
Speaker 4: the first time I had to do something where you know,
Speaker 4: they said, do you gotta I remember the first three
Speaker 4: times I could stop laughing. I said, I'm not no
Speaker 4: offense to you guys. I say, I just and so
Speaker 4: somebody came over and said, just trust me, it's gonna
Speaker 4: look okay, and I said, no, no, I believe, I said,
Speaker 4: but I just.
Speaker 3: Is that when I threw you through the like that.
Speaker 4: One was when I went like that. I saw that
Speaker 4: the other day. I was watching something and they were
Speaker 4: showing a clip from the one. The other day I
Speaker 4: always do that. It was about like six months ago,
Speaker 4: something was on TV and there I am like going
Speaker 4: sailing backwards like you know, uh because you would put
Speaker 4: some you know, juju on me, and I went flying backwards.
Speaker 3: She was she was moving you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I remember doing it. And then when I
Speaker 4: looked looked at the episode and I said, I'm like, god,
Speaker 4: that really works, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like it did work. That's when he died. That's
Speaker 3: when there was two of them in one.
Speaker 4: Of them show. I loved working with you guys, and
Speaker 4: also too, I mean, you know all this like this, uh,
Speaker 4: this like ancillary stuff. You get to do with comic
Speaker 4: cons and stuff like that. I mean my friend Mary McDonald,
Speaker 4: who I did The Closer with, and and and major Crimes.
Speaker 4: You know, she was on Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3: One of those. She's very popular in the.
Speaker 4: World with that comic con stant I mean Germany, France, Japan,
Speaker 4: all over America. And you make money too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just saw her last weekend in Boston.
Speaker 4: She's a great person. She is Mary McDonald. I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed working with her.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's break down this episode. It starts with
Speaker 1: us the three girls leaving and going to their neighbor's
Speaker 1: house party, and you were like, oh, I love this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the only sort of there's a
Speaker 3: lot of moments, but this is like the sort of
Speaker 3: like coalescing sister moment, sisterhood moment when we're going to
Speaker 3: a party and you don't want to go and we're
Speaker 3: going and we're dressed and wow, and those outfits lived
Speaker 3: on in the credits for years for me. So there
Speaker 3: is that. I liked my outfit. I know.
Speaker 5: What's interesting is Okay, so what we had a problem
Speaker 5: with the last episode, it's kind of instantly fixed as
Speaker 5: you guys work together doing an activity, right, right, So
Speaker 5: it instantly kind of course corrects, which is awesome. What
Speaker 5: is it Fritz Marshall? And who's the other one?
Speaker 3: Cinda?
Speaker 5: Cinda s right. But what we don't know, or what
Speaker 5: you don't know, Prue doesn't know, is the fact that
Speaker 5: Phoebe has gone behind your back and kind of invited
Speaker 5: Andy to the most.
Speaker 1: Random and again, why is he showing up? Like he
Speaker 1: didn't get the phone call from me, He got it
Speaker 1: from like my meddling little sister like he did.
Speaker 3: Why does he show up?
Speaker 1: It's so it's I mean, just speaking as a woman,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's a bigger turn off than that from
Speaker 1: a guy, because it does feel like stalking.
Speaker 3: It also feels like they're just so needy for you,
Speaker 3: and that, especially.
Speaker 1: When you're in your twenties, that's a big turnoff because
Speaker 1: you kind of want a challenge.
Speaker 3: It's a hard no. Yeah, it's a hard no.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know why they made Andy so stockersh
Speaker 1: and needy. It's not pleasant, and I end up leaving
Speaker 1: like because a I don't want to see Andy and
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to the party. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: we meet our neighbors, which is really funny because you
Speaker 1: never see them like prior.
Speaker 5: But you basically have grown up with them or grow
Speaker 5: up with that house your whole life. Yes, but so
Speaker 5: it establishes that you kind of leave andy and the
Speaker 5: dust there rightfully so rightfully so, and then it's kind
Speaker 5: of the next the next morning, there's the dog.
Speaker 3: There's the dog.
Speaker 1: Strange dog in the house. Why is Pru running from
Speaker 1: a Rottweiler? Like, why is she scared? She can literally
Speaker 1: toss the dog because we're trying to want to toss dogs.
Speaker 1: Yet well, I mean, personally I don't like tossing dogs.
Speaker 1: But she's gone through killing Javna and all of this
Speaker 1: stuff with her sisters. Why is she not standing up
Speaker 1: to the rottweiler? We couldn't afford another spin effect except
Speaker 1: for the glowing eyes. So for the glowing eyes, they
Speaker 1: were outside of the dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were askew just.
Speaker 5: A little bit. I don't but you know, I always
Speaker 5: love looking at those scenes because they jack up the
Speaker 5: mic of a barking dog. But probably that dog was
Speaker 5: the sweetest thing on the planet. When it chases you
Speaker 5: out of the house, it's like kind of chasing you.
Speaker 5: But not really, not really.
Speaker 3: I also personally love Rottweiler, so I want to know
Speaker 3: why you don't recognize your own daddy.
Speaker 5: That's my big note for this, the whole episode, Like,
Speaker 5: I love how everything's played out.
Speaker 3: So the next day, I'm visited by a man.
Speaker 1: Strange, man strange, man Andrew, who has this special ring
Speaker 1: and has come to me to tell him about it, supposedly,
Speaker 1: And I found it odd, yes, that Prue didn't recognize him,
Speaker 1: because it's not like she was one. I was four,
Speaker 1: you were four, Phoebe was one, and I'm assuming Prue
Speaker 1: was what six or seven? Like you remember your father,
Speaker 1: You remember what he looks like, particularly when he leaves you,
Speaker 1: and you're so devastated about it that years and years
Speaker 1: and years later you're carrying, you're harboring, like all this
Speaker 1: ill will against him.
Speaker 3: Maybe he had some really great plastic surgery and he
Speaker 3: looks far too young now, so confusing.
Speaker 1: He dyed his hair, perhaps, but you give me this ring.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, like why did it take
Speaker 1: so long for her to put two and two together?
Speaker 1: The ring is so suspicious as she's going through it
Speaker 1: that she's like, oh, it comes from this time which
Speaker 1: dates back to witches and all of that.
Speaker 3: But it still took her. I'm like, is Prune not
Speaker 3: like very smart? You were distracted by your obsessive relationship.
Speaker 1: I was too distracted by the handsome man in front
Speaker 1: of me, because like, god, he's sure is better than Andy.
Speaker 5: To look, Tony's horrified right now, he's like good looking.
Speaker 1: Here's the whole reason why I didn't come back you, Shannon, sorry, Rocky.
Speaker 5: Talk about daddy issues. So, but like, was that scene
Speaker 5: discussed or was it kind of one of those hindsight
Speaker 5: type of things where it's like, whoa, that's so weird.
Speaker 5: Of course everyone would recognize their parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me remind you, Drew.
Speaker 1: This was sort of more in the beginning episodes of
Speaker 1: the season where.
Speaker 3: We didn't get to ask questions. There wasn't a lot
Speaker 3: of discussion.
Speaker 1: Okay, it wasn't like a you know, hey, let's talk
Speaker 1: with the writers and voice our opinion.
Speaker 5: There was no time for thumping you before, like on
Speaker 5: the day, back in the day.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it must have, right, Yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that we always had questions about stuff because I think
Speaker 1: as an actor, you track your character perhaps more closely
Speaker 1: than others. And if it doesn't make sense in your
Speaker 1: head of like where your character started and where they're
Speaker 1: at and where they're progressing to, it's a red flag.
Speaker 1: And I know that we discussed red flags all the
Speaker 1: time on this. We were like, oh, this isn't right.
Speaker 1: But regardless, it comes out that you're my long lost father,
Speaker 1: and the amount of anger that I have for you
Speaker 1: is pretty overwhelming. And you're just I like how you
Speaker 1: played it because you were very calm.
Speaker 3: You were.
Speaker 1: It's like you said your peace, but you were very
Speaker 1: calm about it, which really left me once I actually
Speaker 1: watched the show, and I think the audience even more
Speaker 1: suspicious of you because you were so.
Speaker 4: Regards and life there let me tell you. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: and I know, and i'd even I don't know what,
Speaker 4: I guess my agent or somebody at the time had
Speaker 4: called up Less and uh and you know, and then
Speaker 4: I then well, then they said, well, maybe you should
Speaker 4: just call Aaron yourself, And so I called Aaron and
Speaker 4: he was very nice to me and he just said,
Speaker 4: he says, Tony, it's uh, this is the way we're going.
Speaker 4: No offense. He goes, I'll take care of you again.
Speaker 4: Some other way, and he did, I mean he did.
Speaker 4: He he had me come on, I guess what the
Speaker 4: hell was the show melrose Place? Yeah, that one of
Speaker 4: his shows, melrose Yes, melrose Place. So he called me up.
Speaker 4: So they said, I said, melrose Place. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not my cup of tea. I don't really watch it.
Speaker 4: I you know, I mean not that they don't, not
Speaker 4: that it's bad, it's just not my cup of tea.
Speaker 4: And they said, he's going to pay you. He's gonna
Speaker 4: want you to do ten episodes and he's going to
Speaker 4: pay you this amount.
Speaker 3: And I said, what you're like, I'll drink that tea now.
Speaker 4: And I said how much? And they said yeah, I said,
Speaker 4: so I called him up and Aaron, this is insane.
Speaker 4: I said, oh my god, thank you so much. He goes,
Speaker 4: I'm a billionaire. What you should have asked for more?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's not how our.
Speaker 4: A millionaire is a billionaire.
Speaker 3: So so that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Good for you because you made a lot more money
Speaker 1: that way than you would have just stayed on your.
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't believe it. My agent was like,
Speaker 4: they were all like, what what is this about, honey? Aaron?
Speaker 4: He gonna take care. He's going to take care of you.
Speaker 5: So I wish producers were still like that when they
Speaker 5: just want to take care, take care.
Speaker 4: He's like old school kind of guy, original gangster kind
Speaker 4: of guy. You know. You know, Aaron started he was
Speaker 4: the musical director on I Dream a Janie.
Speaker 3: I did not know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Look up Old I Dream Jinie credits at the end
Speaker 4: and Aaron Spelling musical director.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he was so involved with the musical
Speaker 3: selections and having bands in the show. And I think
Speaker 3: there were bands in nine o two and oh that
Speaker 3: that makes sense to me because the musical aspect of
Speaker 3: all of his shows was like the second main character
Speaker 3: we had on Nanatuino.
Speaker 1: We had the peach Pit after dark, Yes you did
Speaker 1: turn into a nightclub, and then Piper had P three Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was all him and the.
Speaker 4: Guy who replaced me, James. I know, James. We weren't
Speaker 4: like you know, we weren't like homies or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but we knew each other, always very respectful when we
Speaker 4: saw each other, you know. And and he came up
Speaker 4: to me one time and he said, you know, I
Speaker 4: guess you know I'm replacing you. I said, no, I
Speaker 4: didn't know that, And I said, but have fun, you know,
Speaker 4: have a good time. I mean, what am I going
Speaker 4: to do is kill him so that I can do
Speaker 4: the wrong.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys are very different too. It's completely different.
Speaker 3: It is a completely different fun. It's a completely different
Speaker 3: character with him doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, was he more
Speaker 1: did he play the character a.
Speaker 3: Little bit more meek and mild? He was? He's just
Speaker 3: very conservative, very white bread, very yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas you were like the hot chatty number one.
Speaker 3: I think too that.
Speaker 4: I was like, it's sort of like almost a gangster background.
Speaker 3: You know, yes, too much heat, brought too much.
Speaker 4: I thought they could have, you know, had fun, you know,
Speaker 4: farming that in other scripts. Absolutely any illusion about being
Speaker 4: a regular on the show, but you know, reoccurring on
Speaker 4: the show and playing like you know, the devil, make
Speaker 4: care devil creating kind of guy, mischief, creating a guy.
Speaker 4: It would have been fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have.
Speaker 4: It wasn't meant to be. But I'm telling you, I
Speaker 4: I always look back on that, uh, that episode, and
Speaker 4: that experience is always very fondly and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: and I just I guess because I liked I was
Speaker 4: having such a good time and I was. When they
Speaker 4: told me I wasn't coming back, I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: I said that, you know, all of this stuff, I
Speaker 4: said that stuff is fun, it's great, and you know,
Speaker 4: then I got to really like it. You know.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is I don't think they ever
Speaker 1: told us when they were replacing someone, like we had
Speaker 1: no idea, just like we had no idea about Andy,
Speaker 1: Like it was always after the fact, so they would
Speaker 1: make their decision, let the person know, and then maybe
Speaker 1: days later, a week later, two weeks later, months later,
Speaker 1: we would find out. And it was it was always
Speaker 1: sort of confusing, and I don't ever remember being given
Speaker 1: like a reason.
Speaker 3: Well, even Andy was different in the pilot. It wasn't
Speaker 3: Bka either, but it was another guy playing Andy in
Speaker 3: the pilot, and then they hired tw right, so there
Speaker 3: was a lot of cast changing and there was a
Speaker 3: lot of shuffling going on.
Speaker 1: Going back to this episode, So we have our little
Speaker 1: conversation where I'm like, stay away from us.
Speaker 3: You abandoned us.
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with you, and and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: let's all go to lunch. I you know, want to
Speaker 1: see my other daughters. And I go home and I
Speaker 1: let you guys know that I saw you and my
Speaker 1: sisters betraying me were like, yes, we want to see him.
Speaker 3: Curiosity killed the cat, so sad.
Speaker 5: I actually thought that that discussion was that scene was
Speaker 5: well written because it definitely painted merit for both sides,
Speaker 5: positives and negatives. That was kind of my takeaway. It
Speaker 5: felt very real and grounded. You could definitely see sisters
Speaker 5: longing and needing like a father figure. And they came
Speaker 5: up with the reasons why, and you were very much
Speaker 5: one hundred percent justified in your reasons why. It's like
Speaker 5: it's bad idea, bad news. He's only here, Like there's
Speaker 5: he's up to no good. So, like, I think it
Speaker 5: did a really good job of making sure that both
Speaker 5: sides were heard and ultimately everyone's an adults. You're going
Speaker 5: to do what you want to do. Phoebe pulls the trigger, yeah,
Speaker 5: because she's desperate and like and that's it's a it's
Speaker 5: a it's very consistent with her character. I felt her
Speaker 5: kind of jumping the gun and wanting to go see
Speaker 5: Victor on her own. Yeah, it was like if she
Speaker 5: got told no about anything. She went ahead and did
Speaker 5: it anyway. So but I can also understand certainly her character.
Speaker 5: There's no way you can one you can remember that person.
Speaker 2: So the.
Speaker 1: Like heart wrenching part of that, and wanting to know
Speaker 1: your father so bad, and yeah, the need. So I
Speaker 1: think I understood it was more Piper not agreeing with
Speaker 1: me that I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, but Piper, Holly, what's going on with
Speaker 3: your character right now? She was four. But I would
Speaker 3: not go, you know, interrupt a massage session.
Speaker 5: No, but it definitely I think it was. I think
Speaker 5: it was justified and it totally consistent with Phoebe's character
Speaker 5: to kind of go, I agree. Okay, So when Phoebe
Speaker 5: goes to the hotel room and you know, you're getting
Speaker 5: a massage and it's a very to me seemed a
Speaker 5: little on the sexual side, and she goes to give
Speaker 5: you a hug, she has the premonition of you holding
Speaker 5: the Book of Shadows, and I just remember that shot
Speaker 5: of you with the book and you have this sort
Speaker 5: of what I took is slightly sinister look on your
Speaker 5: face holding the Book of Shadows. It was really good
Speaker 5: because again it convinces the audience more that you're a
Speaker 5: bad guy, and that Prue, who I think was always
Speaker 5: right was you know, like, yep, I'm right, you do
Speaker 5: look a little like the Godfather in that shot. And
Speaker 5: then you offer her a massage, which you know, as
Speaker 5: one does, as daddy does.
Speaker 1: So then it we go back to the house where
Speaker 1: the weird Maleman guy breaks into the house and his
Speaker 1: finger turns into a key so he can get in
Speaker 1: to try to steal the Book of Shadows. But the
Speaker 1: book he could get it out of the attic, but
Speaker 1: he couldn't get it out of the house.
Speaker 3: And the sad part is he morphs into Andy, and
Speaker 3: you don't realize that Andy's not Andy. It's like you
Speaker 3: guys never know each other. But because I'm so used
Speaker 3: to Andy, like just showing up randomly.
Speaker 5: Exactly and just being at the house, I thought tw
Speaker 5: played that version really well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a version of him being weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, hey, I don't know what the note was
Speaker 5: on the day, but like just do that, And.
Speaker 2: It would have been a great spot for you to
Speaker 2: be like, look, you just can't be showing up everywhere, yeah,
Speaker 2: like all the time.
Speaker 5: Now you're in my house and I'm even here, right.
Speaker 1: And like, I see the book where it's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be, and then I move it underneath the cabinet.
Speaker 1: It's beyond beliefs. And I just think that the door
Speaker 1: is open yet again. Andy just happened to be driving by,
Speaker 1: and he just happens to be inside the house because
Speaker 1: he saw the door, and the Book of Shadows is
Speaker 1: no longer in the attic.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why I'm getting good at this, Okay,
Speaker 3: Because Phoebe doesn't put stuff away and she never has
Speaker 3: her keys, so she didn't lock the door. Wait, no,
Speaker 3: the door was locked. The door was Oh no, it
Speaker 3: was open because and but let's not trust Dad.
Speaker 1: Like right, let's not trust Dad, but let's trust Andy,
Speaker 1: who's stalking me and is in the house for the
Speaker 1: Book of Shadows no longer in the attic.
Speaker 3: It just I watched it. I'm like, God, Pru is
Speaker 3: so stupid. She's she's busy, he's distracted, she's got a
Speaker 3: lot on her.
Speaker 5: Victor's kind of got you off, like on edge a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think this is the episode where I wore the
Speaker 1: Don't Shake Upona shoes.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you it is. It was actually a
Speaker 3: great outfit the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was like a little water thing and a striped skirt,
Speaker 1: and then when I pick up the book, it's a.
Speaker 3: The book. Yes, well, I.
Speaker 5: Also like that this is kind of is I like
Speaker 5: when mythical sci fi magic starts establishing certain rules, and
Speaker 5: I like that this establishes we now know that the
Speaker 5: book cannot be taken out of the house by anyone
Speaker 5: but you guys, And I'm assuming that will continue to
Speaker 5: play out through like the book is probably like a
Speaker 5: prize possession from various demons, so most of the time, yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I think, isn't it a spell that like Graham's put
Speaker 1: on it where it couldn't leave the house.
Speaker 3: Just that evil can't take the book? But okay, you'll see.
Speaker 4: Evil couldn't take the book from the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so it has to be one of us
Speaker 3: to take it out.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. But could evil, like you know, cast
Speaker 4: spells from the book in the house as long.
Speaker 3: As yes they could? Yes, what season is that, I
Speaker 3: don't know, Probably whenever Drew showed up. Oh that's interesting,
Speaker 3: so then you know, proves very much like I'm not
Speaker 3: going to dinner. I like the dinner scene, and you two.
Speaker 1: Are like, we are going to dinner and it cuts
Speaker 1: to you guys at dinner, and I too liked the
Speaker 1: dinner scene.
Speaker 3: See, but I like all the family stuff, so that's
Speaker 3: why I like it.
Speaker 1: I just I liked your guys reactions to him, like
Speaker 1: both you and Alyssa were you know, really there was
Speaker 1: like moments of being let down because he didn't remember something,
Speaker 1: and then there were moments of like pure hope on
Speaker 1: your guys faces. I like, are we actually going to
Speaker 1: get to connect with our dad?
Speaker 3: And there was like Flambay, like I don't care how
Speaker 3: good of actors we are. You at Flambay or Flambey
Speaker 3: lying nan Bay. When you add it to that equation,
Speaker 3: there's just no saving it. But he knows about it powers.
Speaker 3: We established that right I walk in.
Speaker 1: We start having confrontation. You go to save the Flambee
Speaker 1: that's about to get knocked over because you trip Tony.
Speaker 1: You tripped the waiter in order to you know, get
Speaker 1: one of us to use our powers, and of course
Speaker 1: it's Piper. And then you start saying like, okay, so
Speaker 1: you can free stuff, you can move stuff with your
Speaker 1: mind and you can see premonitions. By the way, how
Speaker 1: did your character, like know what our three powers were,
Speaker 1: because as witches, you have all these different powers, but
Speaker 1: you were able to like narrow them down so easily.
Speaker 4: Well, I assume I don't remember, now, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's a blessing or a curse. When
Speaker 4: I do a show, no matter what, even when I
Speaker 4: no matter what, even if I'm a regular ounch, I
Speaker 4: don't remember a freaking episode when I leave. Sometimes the
Speaker 4: closure will be on and reruns and I'll look and
Speaker 4: I'll go, I don't even know what I did in
Speaker 4: that episode, and I'm watching the episode like it's for
Speaker 4: the first time. But I think I would assume that
Speaker 4: maybe the mother had told me what y'all were capable
Speaker 4: of doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everybody had a certain because Patty, Patty
Speaker 3: had premonition. She had the power of premonition. Patty was
Speaker 3: who your mother? Oh, Fanila?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I only know her as Fanola.
Speaker 3: I know, I didn't watch. And Penny, Penny, Penny was Grahams.
Speaker 3: Penny's Grahams. Yeah, she was just Grahams. Did we ever
Speaker 3: establish her name? Yeah? Later later?
Speaker 4: Do you guys? Do you guys remember every episode? I mean,
Speaker 4: not in detail? He did so many, But do you
Speaker 4: remember the episodes? Like if somebody tells you what the
Speaker 4: premise and and me, oh, I remember my character. I
Speaker 4: don't remember anything and any of.
Speaker 3: The kind of it's kind of a crapshoot. Like some
Speaker 3: some scenes and minds I will remember word for word,
Speaker 3: and others I just have no clue and it's just random.
Speaker 3: Like I will remember locations, I'll remember how the flowers
Speaker 3: smelled by the front door more than I will specific I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, I have like a razor sharp memory about history
Speaker 4: and geography and politics and all that stuff. But when
Speaker 4: it comes to shows that I've been in, somebody says, oh,
Speaker 4: you remember me when that, and I go, okay, I
Speaker 4: know I was on.
Speaker 5: I did what just before we go after dinner? It
Speaker 5: does We do need to hit on the fact that
Speaker 5: Phoebe gets the premonition that Victor steals the book that
Speaker 5: we've talked about, but the fact that she keeps this
Speaker 5: from her sisters up to this point I think is
Speaker 5: really important because ultimately Phoebe is looking for some sort
Speaker 5: of connection, some sort of anchor. She's making the concession
Speaker 5: that ultimately could put her sisters in jeopardy because She's
Speaker 5: needing to feel this connection and this love from an
Speaker 5: absentee father so much. And I think that's really interesting
Speaker 5: because that's like, I don't know if this is kind
Speaker 5: of establishes a pattern or a habit with her, but
Speaker 5: like to keep this massive secret from you two, I
Speaker 5: think ultimately could be very detrimental too.
Speaker 3: This is when we established her nickname is fibbing Phoebe. Right, okay,
Speaker 3: mm hmm, okay, Fibbing Phoebe. Yeah, I mean I would
Speaker 3: say that that's true, Drew.
Speaker 1: It's a really good observation though, because I think that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you could look at
Speaker 1: Phoebe her like unhealthy obsession with, you know, bad boys,
Speaker 1: or wanting to be loved so bad, casting spells that
Speaker 1: like bring guys into your life, Like there's all of that,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how she progresses after season three,
Speaker 1: we'll certainly get to it. But right so, she has
Speaker 1: the premonition that he does affect steal the book. But
Speaker 1: because now he gets their power, they go back to
Speaker 1: the house to have the conversation, and Prue was still
Speaker 1: very much like, you know, you you hurt us, you
Speaker 1: abandon us, you were nothing and now you're here for
Speaker 1: nothing good. You're trying to take the book and Tony
Speaker 1: your characters, you know, trying desperately to defend yourself. But
Speaker 1: you admit like, yes, I'm here to take the book,
Speaker 1: but it's for your own good. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's when you see all of the sisters, but mainly
Speaker 1: Piper and Phoebe sort of become aware and start doubting
Speaker 1: you and saying we want to be which is this
Speaker 1: is what we're meant to do. But they still get
Speaker 1: mad at me when I toss you against a wall.
Speaker 1: Well it was a lot when they.
Speaker 4: Were doing that. I don't remember the contraption I was on,
Speaker 4: but I remember, you know, flying back. It's so funny,
Speaker 4: you know. Like I said, I don't remember a lot
Speaker 4: of anything I've done. I mean, you know, in one episode.
Speaker 4: But I do remember this show a lot, only because
Speaker 4: it was a character that I didn't think I would
Speaker 4: ever be cast at. I've always played gangsters, or I
Speaker 4: play cops, you know occasionally maybe you know a soldier
Speaker 4: or a general or something like that. But this was
Speaker 4: such a different, a whole different meal you do for me,
Speaker 4: I mean, and I was like, oh, and I thought okay,
Speaker 4: and it was all brand new. It was like it
Speaker 4: was like acting one O one all over again, going
Speaker 4: to your first job.
Speaker 1: But you brought us, you brought some of your gangster
Speaker 1: thing into it. Because when you leave the house and
Speaker 1: you go back to your hotel room and the warlocks
Speaker 1: are there, the shape shifters, sorry, not warlocks. You sat
Speaker 1: down in a chair and you pulled out a cigar.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the script that
Speaker 1: I think that was all you, and you like the cigar,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, all sitting back, very casual,
Speaker 1: smoking your cigar, and I remember being like, dude, he's
Speaker 1: a gangster.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: When I rewatched the episode yesterday or something, it was,
Speaker 1: it was a very gangster move on your part, for sure.
Speaker 3: Do you remember doing that? Do you remember?
Speaker 4: I know, I like to improvise a lot, and if
Speaker 4: they let me, I will. I don't have a change.
Speaker 4: I don't improvise and change plot points. I usually put
Speaker 4: my stuff at the beginning of a scene or at
Speaker 4: the end of the scene. If they don't like it,
Speaker 4: they can cut it out. But sometimes, you know, I'll
Speaker 4: respond to somebody in a certain way. I mean, I
Speaker 4: love props. I love using props, and you know, I
Speaker 4: mean I didn't study with but I learned read so
Speaker 4: many stories about people like Rando and Fonda and all
Speaker 4: and Jack Nicholas, all those guys. They all like to
Speaker 4: play with props, and so I love their work, you know,
Speaker 4: I just think they're amazing people. And so I try
Speaker 4: to bring props in as much as I can whenever
Speaker 4: I can if they let me.
Speaker 3: And that's so smart. I think I was always scared
Speaker 3: to use props because the script supervisor, you know, would
Speaker 3: have to say, like, you know, make sure that you
Speaker 3: mimic or copy it exactly like what that was when
Speaker 3: you were eating, when you were doing this, so that
Speaker 3: all the different angles you're matching, and it's easier for
Speaker 3: an editor. So I was so hyper aware of that.
Speaker 3: I know that you were as well.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I did the reboot of nine
Speaker 1: O two and oh where I was like, screw it
Speaker 1: and I ate in every single scene because I loved
Speaker 1: just like Brad Pitt and a couple of his movies
Speaker 1: where he was always eating, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that too, to take myself out
Speaker 1: of my head and I liked it a lot, but
Speaker 1: I think uncharmed it was so hard because we had
Speaker 1: to match everything perfectly.
Speaker 3: There was also a lot of people in every scene too.
Speaker 3: I think, I don't think it's in this episode, but
Speaker 3: there's the one the one scene with Andy and his
Speaker 3: toothpick lord have mercy. Oh, we're getting there. I had
Speaker 3: a little bit of thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the shape shifters show up your at your
Speaker 1: hotel room, you light your cigar, and you know they're
Speaker 1: threatening to kill you, but you strike a deal with
Speaker 1: them that there's only one person who can get the
Speaker 1: book out of the house, and that's you. And so
Speaker 1: at that point, I think the audience, as I was,
Speaker 1: was very much like, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, what a bad daddy. Daddy number one.
Speaker 5: Is horrible and confirms he is working with the three
Speaker 5: more first shape shifters, and.
Speaker 4: I was doing it, if my memory serves me well,
Speaker 4: and based on who the character was, all of it
Speaker 4: was done in service to protect you three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when they walk into your hotel room or
Speaker 1: they appear in your hotel room, you say, let me
Speaker 1: you know, let me guess your shape shifters. So I
Speaker 1: don't think that you had been collaborating with them prior,
Speaker 1: because you were all of a sudden striking a deal
Speaker 1: with them and saying, let me guess her shape shifters.
Speaker 3: So very knowledgeable. It's daddy.
Speaker 1: I just think you were so worried about us that
Speaker 1: you felt like if you worked out a deal with them,
Speaker 1: you could protect us somehow.
Speaker 5: In a backwards way. Yeah, this is so interesting. I
Speaker 5: interpreted it completely the other way.
Speaker 1: No, then, how did you take the line of like,
Speaker 1: let me guess your shape shifters? Yeah, why wouldn't he
Speaker 1: have known that prior? No, they just meet them. She
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't hear that line nearin have to
Speaker 1: rewatch it.
Speaker 2: You're still looking at your shoes.
Speaker 5: Oh dang, oh, I can't believe I missed that. I
Speaker 5: literally watching this whole time. I totally thought they were
Speaker 5: all collaborate, like in collaboration. This is the second rewatch podcast. True,
Speaker 5: you're going to have to step up your game.
Speaker 3: Kid, Now.
Speaker 5: I caught it.
Speaker 2: As you know, Tony's character was he was sinking on
Speaker 2: the fly. I'm smarter than these guys. You've run into
Speaker 2: these guys before in the past lives twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: and you're like, I got these guys, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to protect the girl.
Speaker 3: He's thinking on his feet, sitting down with the cigar.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, BK, we got it. Yeah, Drew's
Speaker 3: in the wrong and treating them like they were in
Speaker 3: low level thugs. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: So you go there the next morning, the shape shifters
Speaker 1: think that they have a deal with you. You go there,
Speaker 1: you see Phoebe on the sidewalk and she's all freaked
Speaker 1: out by you because of her premonitions, and you're like, no, no, no, look, look,
Speaker 1: look deeper, look more, and she touches you, and she
Speaker 1: sees that you're, in fact not you know, trying to
Speaker 1: steal the book from.
Speaker 3: Us shape shifters city, right, So.
Speaker 1: Then Phoebe runs in and tells us that our neighbors
Speaker 1: are shape shifters.
Speaker 3: Then we have two daddies. We have two daddy number ones.
Speaker 3: And I say, first we had none, now we got two.
Speaker 5: That's right, great line, Thank you, great delivery of that line. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it kind of culminates in this like biblical what's that
Speaker 5: biblical story about? Uh, the baby being torn between two
Speaker 5: people and then someone says, I just cut it in half.
Speaker 5: And then Solomon Solomon splitting the baby sounds like my divorce.
Speaker 4: And then the real mother said, threw herself over the baby,
Speaker 4: said give it to her. You know I don't want.
Speaker 1: Right, which is what you do when we when Phoebe
Speaker 1: runs upstairs and gets the spell to banish these shape
Speaker 1: shifters or kill them. Rather, you know it would impact
Speaker 1: you as well and kill you. And I sort of
Speaker 1: moved the ring over to you so that you put
Speaker 1: that on. But you're still impacted by the spell, like
Speaker 1: your body is still you know, wiggling and right, and.
Speaker 3: But you live, You live through it, and you make
Speaker 3: peace with your daddy. And that's when I say, we're
Speaker 3: still your little girls. You did say it like that.
Speaker 3: I did know you can do it another take, please, no,
Speaker 3: now there's too much pressure. I just said it, We're
Speaker 3: still your little girls, just witches. That's not how you said,
Speaker 3: That's how I said it.
Speaker 1: You first off, you were like off to the side
Speaker 1: like this, and then you turned and you looked at
Speaker 1: him and you said, we're still your little girls, just witches.
Speaker 3: That's close. Yes, it was. It was sexy. It was
Speaker 3: so sexy. I was like, that's why we needed a
Speaker 3: new daddy too. Sexy. Gosh, too sexy for my shirt.
Speaker 3: I put it right there like it's my number one day.
Speaker 3: I know. I saw you scribbling it down real quick,
Speaker 3: real quick, heatedly.
Speaker 1: So you survive, we all make peace, we all forgive you.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a sexual odd moment with their dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were hanging onto his arm. Yeah, and like my
Speaker 1: low cut top yep. Yeah, well hey, it was an
Speaker 1: Aaron's Funny show. It was like a requirement, can you
Speaker 1: can you show some cleavage? Can you put those girls
Speaker 1: up there a little bit more? And then the cool
Speaker 1: part it was Leo shows up and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: like Leo's in an episode handy Man.
Speaker 2: Finally and then you just send me right upstairs and
Speaker 2: be we'll be right with you. Hey, we just had
Speaker 2: this whole episode about someone trying to steal a book.
Speaker 3: But why don't you just go up there and we'll
Speaker 3: leave you alone. It's because you appreciated the history of
Speaker 3: the wood in the like it it felt real, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and said like that there's not many like them except
Speaker 3: for the one across the street and the one next
Speaker 3: door in the house next to that too. Yeah, besides
Speaker 3: the old neighborhood, right that's special.
Speaker 1: But then it all shows up watching the VHS like that.
Speaker 1: He because he didn't make dinner, he laughed. He said
Speaker 1: he needed to, you know, stay away for a little stuff,
Speaker 1: for a little bit, to keep us safe. You come in,
Speaker 1: We send you up to the attic without any of us,
Speaker 1: and then we all we the three of us, sit
Speaker 1: down and watch the VHS tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and send Leo upstairs where fun fact, he remains
Speaker 3: for like three episodes.
Speaker 5: Probably perpetuity. He's been there.
Speaker 3: For years and up there, I just like the next door. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah's away is this stuff that you discovered later? Think
Speaker 3: he's been watching her her whole life. Yeah, we literally
Speaker 3: let him in. He shows himself up to the attic
Speaker 3: and he stays there for like the next three episodes.
Speaker 5: It's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: He never leaves, no whatever, talks about it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was it was a trial run. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That is so creepy.
Speaker 2: But then you watch the video and I feel like
Speaker 2: the wrap up of this episode really was was one
Speaker 2: of the most heartfelt emotional moments I think that we've
Speaker 2: seen so far. And Tony, the way you were playing
Speaker 2: the Christmas with the girls and the joy that you
Speaker 2: brought to it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was all improvised, all of that.
Speaker 2: Uh, it was great. It really brought I got a
Speaker 2: little emotional at the end watching it. It was it
Speaker 2: was really nice moment.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I had a ball doing the show.
Speaker 4: I really did. You know, I'm not gonna deny that
Speaker 4: I was. I was. I was really disappointed when I
Speaker 4: you know, they said I wasn't going back, and I said,
Speaker 4: all right, you know that's the way it is, uh
Speaker 4: in this town. But I did have a ball working
Speaker 4: with you girls. I really did. I had a ball
Speaker 4: being on the show. I thought all this stuff was
Speaker 4: so cool. I was looking forward to more, you know,
Speaker 4: all that stuff whenever. I really because when I you know,
Speaker 4: well later on when I saw it on on the
Speaker 4: air and I thought it really works, it did work.
Speaker 1: You know, it did work. It worked a little too well.
Speaker 1: We you know, we loved working with you as well.
Speaker 1: Can you explain why you nicknamed me Rocky?
Speaker 4: Well? Because you reminded me of a really good friend
Speaker 4: of mine. I don't know if you know her, Kim Delaney.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Kim Delaney and I've been friends like almost
Speaker 4: forty years.
Speaker 3: Knows her very well.
Speaker 4: Irish tough, I Irish broad from frigging Philadelphia, and she
Speaker 4: was just always like, even though she was really beautiful
Speaker 4: like you are, there was a part of her that
Speaker 4: was like, if she needed to, she would know yes.
Speaker 4: I and I was watching you one day in the
Speaker 4: makeup chair and you were talking about something, some ex
Speaker 4: boyfriend or something. And the way you were talking about
Speaker 4: the ex boyfriend, I said, I said, Oh, she's a
Speaker 4: little like Kim I. She got a little bit of
Speaker 4: that Rocky Sullivan in her. And then that's when I
Speaker 4: said to you, I said, you, you remind you your
Speaker 4: nickname should be Rocky.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: And I think I explained a little bit of it
Speaker 4: at the time, but that's why. That's why I thought
Speaker 4: your nickname should be Rocky.
Speaker 3: I wonder which ex boyfriend that was. That was season one,
Speaker 3: So the way.
Speaker 4: You talked about it, it was like, I said, Oh
Speaker 4: my god, that guy's gonna get smacked.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was one of mine. Who was it before
Speaker 3: Rob October twenty first, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, could have been somebody, but talking about from your past,
Speaker 4: it was probably.
Speaker 3: One of it was probably one of my Yeah, because
Speaker 3: it was often her boyfriends, I wanted to smack. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was very protective. Well, you're always daddy number one
Speaker 3: in our book. Thank you, Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: for being on. We really appreciate it. Thanks, thanks, and
Speaker 3: thanks for making it happen so we always think of you.
Speaker 3: And that's another episode of House.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks guys for checking it out.