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Speaker 1: The NFL knew that they would have to be ready
Speaker 1: for anything this year, but to pull a player like
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant before last night's nationally televised game and then
Speaker 1: let him go on a tweed storm that wasn't in
Speaker 1: any commissioner's handbook. The Ravens receiver was fired up. He
Speaker 1: was going to face his former team. Fox had a
Speaker 1: story about in fact, des Bryant was pulled off the field,
Speaker 1: wasn't going to play, and they still ran the feature
Speaker 1: on Dez Bryant. Bryant said that he was gonna go
Speaker 1: home and drink some wine and probably not play football
Speaker 1: the rest of this year. I guess that's a logical
Speaker 1: response to an illogical season when you think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how the NFL justified playing the game
Speaker 1: while others were moved back because of contact tracing. I'll
Speaker 1: have to see what happens when all the facts come out.
Speaker 1: But the Ravens managed to play and beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They roughed him up, they ran for nearly three hundred
Speaker 1: yards and the audience got to watch a relatively entertaining game.
Speaker 1: But you can't help it watch the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: know we overrate the Cowboys. Everything about the Cowboys is overrated.
Speaker 1: And you have a defense that there are guys who
Speaker 1: got paid. On that defense, I can give a haul
Speaker 1: pass to the offense. With Dak Prescott out and the
Speaker 1: offensive line has had injuries, Okay, you still have some
Speaker 1: weapons on the offense. You still have Zeke Elliott that
Speaker 1: everybody keeps telling me, yep, they made a smart move
Speaker 1: and resigning him, all right, But the defense, that's where
Speaker 1: I would have heads rolling. I'd have I just want accountability.
Speaker 1: If I'm Jerry Jones, I just want accountability, just who's responsible,
Speaker 1: And I would make I would be making moves here
Speaker 1: because I got to get somebody's attention. Here. You're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and you're planned like you're the Jaguars. In fact, Jacksonville's
Speaker 1: more competitive probably weekend in weekend than the Cowboys. Are
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys who got paid, and you'd
Speaker 1: never know it when you watch that team. Yes, McLeman,
Speaker 1: After the game. In the post game, the Fox guys
Speaker 1: started diving to that topic about whether the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: take another quarterback at four yea, even though they all
Speaker 1: love Dak Prescott, they think he's great, But do you
Speaker 1: need like a fresh start there? Anyway, if you're at four,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You have to be absolutely positively
Speaker 1: sure of drafting a quarterback that they can play for
Speaker 1: you right away because Dallas is built to win. Now
Speaker 1: spend all this money. They're built to win right now.
Speaker 1: This isn't one of those hey we got a two
Speaker 1: or three year period here, because they don't. They could
Speaker 1: have signed Dak eighteen nineteen months ago, they screwed that
Speaker 1: up and now here they are a bad football team.
Speaker 1: And just the thought that they would be thinking about
Speaker 1: a quarterback. If you said I could have you know,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields, then I would certainly reconsider
Speaker 1: what my game plan was going to be moving forward,
Speaker 1: because then I get the rookie contract at that position,
Speaker 1: and then I can afford to bring in a couple
Speaker 1: of couple more players that might actually be worthy of
Speaker 1: a contract better than the that I think Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: knows he's stuck with these salaries and reputations and bring
Speaker 1: Dak back and see what you have. Yeahs, M clevin,
Speaker 1: what analogy I was thinking about? Drew Brees hurt his
Speaker 1: shoulder and they drafted Philip Rivers at four and kept
Speaker 1: Freeze around. Is there any reason to pay Dak forty
Speaker 1: million and still draft a quarterback? Just a seat, make
Speaker 1: sure he gets back to where he was or it's
Speaker 1: not a waste of resources. Before I get ready to
Speaker 1: pay him forty million dollars, I'm going to know if
Speaker 1: he can play, and if he can play, I don't
Speaker 1: want to waste a draft pick up there. Like you
Speaker 1: have other needs, and if your offensive line is not
Speaker 1: going to be what it once was, then I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta make a move. I can trade out of
Speaker 1: four and probably have somebody go up who wants to
Speaker 1: get one of these quarterbacks, and then maybe I can
Speaker 1: start to reload, not rebuild, but reload the offensive line.
Speaker 1: But I just have question marks about what kind of
Speaker 1: effort does that Dallas team put forward. I mean this
Speaker 1: is they've given up two hundred and ninety yards twice
Speaker 1: this year and again last night, and the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: they've done that one other time in franchise history. Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan's defense is not working. Mike McCarthy is not the
Speaker 1: right guy for that position. But I don't think Jerry
Speaker 1: is going to make any changes with Mike McCarthy. Man
Speaker 1: he would be one and done. We wondered why he
Speaker 1: was brought in in the first place. As I said,
Speaker 1: when they brought him in, it's not like he's a
Speaker 1: little bartie. You're in bringing him in. I mean, they
Speaker 1: could have stayed with Jason Garrett and gotten this performance,
Speaker 1: but you brought in Mike McCarthy, and you're like, yes,
Speaker 1: we got Michael McCarthy. Was anybody else bidding for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: And if I'm Jerry Jones, you know what I do.
Speaker 1: I surprise everybody and I say, I want to bring
Speaker 1: in Eric b Enemy as my head coach. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take him off everybody else list because it feels like
Speaker 1: they're three or four, maybe five teams that would bring
Speaker 1: in Eric b Enemy. How about I go get him
Speaker 1: and I have him as my head coach here with Dallas.
Speaker 1: I know it'll never happen, but you gotta get something.
Speaker 1: You're stagnant, you're boring, you're irrelevant. Those are things you
Speaker 1: would never those words you don't attach to the Dallass Cownboys,
Speaker 1: but that's what they are. Yeah, mcluv, I can think
Speaker 1: of a Rara coach who might be available. He wears
Speaker 1: Khaki's Jim harm Harbaugh Dallas, Well, I've never seen it
Speaker 1: written at all, by the way, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But you know, I saw a report where five teams
Speaker 1: are interested in Jim Harball if he decides he goes
Speaker 1: to the NFL. I don't know if one of those
Speaker 1: teams would be doubted. Would the Detroit Lions be interested
Speaker 1: in Jim Harball? I mean that that would be the ultimate. Hey,
Speaker 1: he's not going to coach at Michigan, but he's staying
Speaker 1: in the state. He's going to be the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: head coach. He has Polly. Going back to the draft.
Speaker 1: The draft order right now after the last night's game
Speaker 1: is Jets number one, Jacksonville two, Cincinnati three. They don't
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. Dallas right now is in the fourth
Speaker 1: spot for the NFL draft, then the charters, and then
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles in the sixth spot. Then then well,
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles got to decide what they have
Speaker 1: on their own roster right now. But if you said, well,
Speaker 1: these teams can trade out of this. Cincinnati doesn't need it,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville does, and the Jets do, and then you get
Speaker 1: to Dallas. If I'm Dallas, I can use this to
Speaker 1: my advantage being really bad, get out of there and
Speaker 1: then still be able to stockpile a little bit. The
Speaker 1: Chargers don't need a quarterback. Philadelphia has got to decide
Speaker 1: if they have a legitimate starting quarterback there. Carolina looks
Speaker 1: like they would be in the market for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: What's Atlanta do with Matt Ryan. Houston doesn't need a quarterback,
Speaker 1: although that pick goes to Miami, Denver. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Denver's doing. Washington, they would be in the market
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. Detroit, Chicago, even San Francisco's in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of teams they're gonna be
Speaker 1: interested in, uh in a quarterback. But you know with Dallas, um,
Speaker 1: they need other things. Here's Mike McCarthy on what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't do enough of last night. Three hundred yards
Speaker 1: is obviously astronomical. You know, we have to we have
Speaker 1: to get a quick turnaround, you know, just when you.
Speaker 1: You know, you feel like you're taking some steps as
Speaker 1: a team. Uh, you know the you know, the keys
Speaker 1: to the game. Where was stopping a round and we
Speaker 1: definitely get that done to night. Don't I hear this
Speaker 1: every game? It feels like, all right, here is John Harball,
Speaker 1: the Raven's head coach, on his star quarterback, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: One thing you do know about Lamar, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: everything he's got, you know, and that's really all you
Speaker 1: can ask for. Uh, He's gonna give you whatever he has.
Speaker 1: And it turned out that he had a lot tonight
Speaker 1: and that was good to see. I don't think you
Speaker 1: could predict that he came out to practice. He looked
Speaker 1: good in practice. He uh, he was strong and healthy.
Speaker 1: I'm just impressed in the fact that he was on
Speaker 1: top of the game plan so well. He'd been studying
Speaker 1: obligely the whole time he's away, and he played a
Speaker 1: great football game. Yeah he did. But it helps if
Speaker 1: you have a Dallas defense that is clueless because when
Speaker 1: I can play the role of amateur Tony Romo watching
Speaker 1: the game and going, oh, Lamar's gonna run third down,
Speaker 1: Lamar's gonna run. If I know I would think that
Speaker 1: the Dallas defense would know as well. I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: Lamar jack if Lamar Jackson beats me with his arm, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna let him beat me with his legs,
Speaker 1: where he's far more valuable. Yes, I'm just impressed he
Speaker 1: knew the game plan so well. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: is that? Like? Yeah, isn't that kind of what you
Speaker 1: expect from your quarterback? Like? Hey, how about him? He
Speaker 1: knew what we were doing this week? That was impressive?
Speaker 1: Like what that didn't sound like much of a compliment
Speaker 1: to me. Jerry Jones on Tuesday morning did his weekly
Speaker 1: interview on one oh five point three the Fan in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and I had some things to say. He talked about
Speaker 1: how Washington and the Giants are playing well and what
Speaker 1: that means to Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. I think
Speaker 1: it's an encouraging sign, Mike, to see these teams, these
Speaker 1: new coaches, these new staffs, new I will directions that
Speaker 1: they're going and see them playing some better football as
Speaker 1: we saw the last two or three days. I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in Jerry Jones necessarily. Tuesday morning. I'm really interested
Speaker 1: in Jerry Jones on Wednesday morning. That's when I want
Speaker 1: to hear from Jerry Jones. Here's Jerry talking about Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott moving forward with his running skills. I've always handicapped
Speaker 1: to some degree Dak because of the fact that he's
Speaker 1: so effective and has been in his career and the
Speaker 1: running in the running game and his ability to take
Speaker 1: it down and get the big play and get the yards.
Speaker 1: I've always known that he couldn't do that like that
Speaker 1: for long in the NFL. All right, thank you, Jerry.
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Speaker 1: phone calls in here. By the way, he was one
Speaker 1: of the stars on Election Night NBC News political correspondent
Speaker 1: Steve Karnaki, and he was a star in Football Night
Speaker 1: in America this past Sunday as he was looking at teams.
Speaker 1: You know, there were teams that look like they have
Speaker 1: a better chance of making the playoffs. And Steve's job
Speaker 1: is to look at the odds and the percentages, and
Speaker 1: he had some teams that aren't in the playoff picture
Speaker 1: right now, but he feels like they have a better
Speaker 1: chance than some of those who are in. And he'll
Speaker 1: join us coming up. Also, Paul Feinbaum from the Mothership
Speaker 1: will join us a little bit later on with what's
Speaker 1: going on with college football? Yes, Paul, you know Steve
Speaker 1: Cornaki is kind of like mclovin's bit where but when
Speaker 1: Steve Cornaki does it, everything goes right, and everything is smooth,
Speaker 1: and the TV works and all the things he swipes
Speaker 1: they work perfectly. Mcloven If he were the guy going
Speaker 1: through the playoff thing, the TV would fall over, he'd
Speaker 1: have the wrong you hit like the CFL logoes up there,
Speaker 1: And that's the only difference between the two. They both
Speaker 1: know it, but it would go totally different. So he'll
Speaker 1: join us coming in some phone calls here, are you
Speaker 1: going to stay with the pole question mcleven about Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Actually it's sixty four percent said say no, they're not
Speaker 1: okay with Ohio sapying in the final four. How about
Speaker 1: we do a question what's the next team to take?
Speaker 1: Who's taking the third quarterback? And list all those teams
Speaker 1: you talk about assuming the first two are Jets and Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Then you listed all those teams, it seems like there's
Speaker 1: seven quarterback needy teams in the top ten. I'm curious
Speaker 1: you people think Dallas, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit. Atlanta and Detroit
Speaker 1: are interesting because I thought Detroit, you know, if you
Speaker 1: had a more stable coaching staff, I think they would
Speaker 1: have taken to a tongue of Ioloah. But Matt Patricia
Speaker 1: and his staff, from what I was told, they knew
Speaker 1: they had to win this year. They were going to
Speaker 1: be fired, and they got fired. As far as what's
Speaker 1: going on in Atlanta, you're gonna have a new head coach.
Speaker 1: Is Matt Ryan going to stay there? Julio Jones going
Speaker 1: to stay there? Do you rebuild? Do you think you
Speaker 1: can reload Tampa and New Orleans or the class of
Speaker 1: the division there? So I'm I'm not quite sure. But
Speaker 1: also I wonder as we look at these quarterbacks who
Speaker 1: are going to be out for these big contract extensions,
Speaker 1: given what happened with Carson Wentz and that contract. Do
Speaker 1: I give a big contract to Lamar Jackson? Do I
Speaker 1: give a big contract to Baker Mayfield? Do I give
Speaker 1: a big contract to Josh Allen, and I think, man
Speaker 1: I buyer, beware with what has happened with Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: because if you can't get the Colts to trade for
Speaker 1: him or maybe somebody else, you're gonna be stuck with
Speaker 1: that contract. Buffalo, it feels like they will extend Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: but look at the going rate for quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're going to be getting at least thirty five to
Speaker 1: thirty seven maybe even more a year. You want to
Speaker 1: do that to Baker Mayfield. You want to do that
Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson. You want to do it to Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: These are questions that you're going to have, these teams
Speaker 1: are going to have. But I think Buffalo will do
Speaker 1: that with Josh Allen. I'm gonna guess Baltimore will do
Speaker 1: it with Lamar Jackson. I don't know if Cleveland's going
Speaker 1: to do that with Baker Mayfield. I mean it might
Speaker 1: come down to how Baker performs this year and how
Speaker 1: they do in the playoffs. Let me see a couple
Speaker 1: of phone called Jonathan in Pennsylvania. Hey John, what do
Speaker 1: you have for me today? Hey Dpy, I've been here,
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of Deer for a long time.
Speaker 1: And uh, I got to say, you know, as we
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys so many times and it's overrated
Speaker 1: and all that. As the copy says myself, you know
Speaker 1: that you talked about Jerry Jones, Well he should think
Speaker 1: that he should do for me. Jerry Jones ain't gonna
Speaker 1: do nothing. He's not gonna he's gonna do no moves,
Speaker 1: no nothing, because he is the owner and he is
Speaker 1: the GM, and he's definitely not gonna do anything to
Speaker 1: help out the Cowboys at all. He's he's the biggest,
Speaker 1: he has money all all around, but he's never gonna
Speaker 1: do anything. Never well. But the problem is though Jonathan,
Speaker 1: he tries and sometimes he get gets into his own way.
Speaker 1: I understand that they were taking Connor Cook. That was
Speaker 1: the quarterback they were going to take at a Michigan state.
Speaker 1: They weren't taken down Prescott. They were taking Connor Cook.
Speaker 1: And then the Raiders took Connor Cook. They wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have Dak Prescott. Jerry the GM, Jerry the owner. They
Speaker 1: toyed with the idea taking Johnny manziel Amari Cooper kind
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. You resign, re up Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: I mean those are all Jerry's moves, and I can
Speaker 1: credit him for some of the finds that they've had
Speaker 1: or that you know they did draft correctly. But Jerry
Speaker 1: the owner and Jerry the GM, those are two different people.
Speaker 1: And Dallas paid everybody. Everybody, everybody got paid, and then
Speaker 1: they weren't quite sure on Dyk. I don't know about
Speaker 1: Danny Well, I don't know about Dak, and then they
Speaker 1: waited eighteen months and here we are, Yes, the dang man.
Speaker 1: You can't figure out a way to get the ball,
Speaker 1: either Ceede Lamb or a Mark Cooper, Like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it should be that hard to figure out
Speaker 1: a decent offense with the weapons they are. I don't
Speaker 1: know what their offensive game plan is because it and
Speaker 1: I know Andy Dalton's in there, and it's on Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: It's not that far of a drop off between Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and Andy Dalton. Oh, I mean, it's sound like
Speaker 1: Joe Namat to Chad Pennington. Yes, mclumban, how do you
Speaker 1: throw the ball to Cede Labor or Mary Cooper when
Speaker 1: you're on the sidelines for eleven minutes watching the other
Speaker 1: team gass you for any yard to run. Run. If
Speaker 1: you can't stop the run, your quarterback is doomed because
Speaker 1: he never gets a rhythm. And by the way, Andy
Speaker 1: two for three hundred last night, No big deal. You're right,
Speaker 1: it was no big deal. Well, one seventy within garbage time,
Speaker 1: but whatever. Yeah, we're not counting. It's the only total number.
Speaker 1: No big deal, no, no big deal. All right, let
Speaker 1: me take a break. We'll get two phone calls. Got
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to talk college football as well.
Speaker 1: Steve Cornaki, the NBC News political correspondent, will join us
Speaker 1: and talk to him about his appearance on Football Night
Speaker 1: in America, and he'll run the percentages here of teams
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't think are going to make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but he thinks they have a better chance than you do.
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Speaker 1: I talk about this occasionally where we stumble upon somebody,
Speaker 1: an athlete, and we go, oh, they took him ten
Speaker 1: years to become an overnight sensation. Like Kyle Trask, the
Speaker 1: Florida quarterback who might win the Heisman. Well, he's had
Speaker 1: a long road to get to this point. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we go, oh, Kyle Trask, Yes,
Speaker 1: but it took a long time to get there. Steve
Speaker 1: Cornaki is the national political correspondent for NBC News MSNBC
Speaker 1: NBC News, the election map expert. And it feels like
Speaker 1: you became an overnight sensation, but took you a long
Speaker 1: time to become an overnight sensation. Steve, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: What do people say to you when they see you
Speaker 1: on the street. Thanks for having me, happy to be here. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess one of the things about life in the
Speaker 1: pandemic is you don't see too many people on the street.
Speaker 1: So the you I've run into, though, Yeah, the map guy,
Speaker 1: the numbers guy. You know, still a few every now
Speaker 1: and then they'll say, hey, it's Chris Hayes. So I
Speaker 1: still get that. How do you become the election map expert? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, it's something I It's a role I
Speaker 1: kind of always wanted. It's it's one that's kind of, um,
Speaker 1: I think, come into being in the last twenty years
Speaker 1: or so. It's funny when I go back and look
Speaker 1: at I love looking at kind of archive, you know, archive,
Speaker 1: news footage, archive sports footage. I like looking at stuff
Speaker 1: from the past. I realized, you know, just twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: back in two thousand, you know, Tim Rusher was here
Speaker 1: at NBC and you know the famous moment in the
Speaker 1: two thousand election when it all came down to Florida
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred votes. Rusher didn't have an electronic board.
Speaker 1: He had a he had a white board, and he
Speaker 1: just wrote down Florida Florida, Florida, and I think that's
Speaker 1: in the Smithsonian now, but I mean that was technology
Speaker 1: just twenty years ago. So this, you know, the idea
Speaker 1: of having a board with real time data with numbers,
Speaker 1: it's really come in in the last ten fifteen years,
Speaker 1: but you know, since it's kind of been around, I
Speaker 1: had my eye on it and I got lucky about
Speaker 1: it was twenty fourteen. Actually twenty fourteen. My boss here
Speaker 1: called me up about two months before the election, said, hey,
Speaker 1: we need somebody to do this. You think you could
Speaker 1: do something with it. I said, yeah, I think I could.
Speaker 1: So that was the start of it for me. How
Speaker 1: do you memorize all the counties? You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's just good old fashioned, you know, staring at it,
Speaker 1: memorizing it, repeating it, pulling out the map, trying again.
Speaker 1: You know, it helps. I haven't been to all these
Speaker 1: places I've I've not been to more counties than I've
Speaker 1: been to. But you know, one thing in the last
Speaker 1: six years, I will you know, I vacationed in Ohio
Speaker 1: about two years ago, just to learn the state, to
Speaker 1: learn the counties, to get a better sense of it.
Speaker 1: That way, that helps. But obviously I haven't done that anywhere,
Speaker 1: so really it's just it's like cramming for a final.
Speaker 1: It's just memorization and repetition, and it the memory kind
Speaker 1: of builds. Who's better on the touch screen? You're John King? Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, he's John King's the original, and you know,
Speaker 1: nothing but respect for him. And honestly, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a CNN election since I've been doing this because there's
Speaker 1: no time to watch it, so I'm not qualified to say.
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, um, Lamar Jackson and he's Michael
Speaker 1: Vick like he might have been the original, and then
Speaker 1: you're an updated version of it. That's it. He's still
Speaker 1: doing hey, and Fox has someone doing it, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into anything with anybody. I
Speaker 1: try not to make enemies. How did you end up
Speaker 1: on Football Night in America? You know, I got a
Speaker 1: call about a week after the election from my boss
Speaker 1: here saying, the you know, the folks at NBC Sports, um,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to, you know, talk to me. I
Speaker 1: had a couple of ideas. I was very excited to
Speaker 1: hear that. And you know, so we've been talking for
Speaker 1: about two weeks before it, and you know, came up
Speaker 1: with the idea. I think you know that, Hey, this
Speaker 1: is December in the NFL. It's it's when the playoff
Speaker 1: race really gets serious. And I think there was a
Speaker 1: it seemed like there really was a parallel there between
Speaker 1: road to two seventy and an electoral map for a
Speaker 1: presidential election and road to the playoffs. It's all about scenarios.
Speaker 1: It's all about if this state goes this way or
Speaker 1: if this team does this. It really did seem to
Speaker 1: be an overlap there. What give me a couple of
Speaker 1: teams that aren't maybe being mentioned as playoff teams, but
Speaker 1: you think they have a better chance than maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of teams that we think are going to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is now two counterintuitive Watching the game last night, I
Speaker 1: know they were talking about this a lot. But Baltimore,
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there right now at seven and five,
Speaker 1: would not be in the playoffs if they started today.
Speaker 1: If you just look at their schedule, they get Cleveland
Speaker 1: next week and after that it's three teams with losing records,
Speaker 1: you know, so they've got a really easy schedule down
Speaker 1: the stretch. It's not hard to see them getting, you know,
Speaker 1: to ten wins, and you compare that, like to Miami,
Speaker 1: who would be in right now in the sixth spot.
Speaker 1: You know, Miami a game ahead of Baltimore in the standing,
Speaker 1: sitting there at eight and four. Miami doesn't have a
Speaker 1: single game left against a team with a losing record,
Speaker 1: I mean, starting with Kansas City next week. So you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of the burdens on Miami to show they
Speaker 1: can hang on to that position against the kind of
Speaker 1: competition they're taking. And it just seems like the opportunities
Speaker 1: there for Baltimore to leap frog a bunch of teams
Speaker 1: here just based on that edual. When did you become
Speaker 1: fascinated with numbers? You know, it was when I was
Speaker 1: in first grade. It was the I could tell you
Speaker 1: it was the nineteen eighty five eighty six NBA season.
Speaker 1: I grew up outside Boston. I would go outside, get
Speaker 1: the Boston Globe every morning and read the Celtics box scores.
Speaker 1: And that was the best Celtics team ever. That was
Speaker 1: the Big three Bird McHale Parish and Celtics box scores
Speaker 1: that season. And then summer of eighty six was the
Speaker 1: Red Sox that was the you know, with the Buckner year,
Speaker 1: so the Red Sox were a thing that year. I
Speaker 1: got into baseball box scores and you know that that
Speaker 1: kind of started numbers for me. And then a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, you know, kind of got into politics
Speaker 1: really about middle school and kind of the numbers aspect
Speaker 1: of it too, I guess. But the pressure on election
Speaker 1: night is different. Like you can be on football night
Speaker 1: in America and you might make a mistake and it's
Speaker 1: football night in America. But election night, how much pressure
Speaker 1: did you feel? Oh? Yeah, yeah, no, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot there. And this year was this year was more
Speaker 1: intense because there's just this added variable this year of
Speaker 1: people were voting by mail, and we knew the people
Speaker 1: voting by mail, we're going to be overwhelmingly Biden. And
Speaker 1: the people who were going out, you know and voting
Speaker 1: in person at their precinct on election day, we knew
Speaker 1: that was going to be pretty heavily Trump. And there
Speaker 1: was just as variable as the numbers would come in
Speaker 1: from a lot of places of Okay, are we looking
Speaker 1: at votes that were cast by mail? Here? Are we
Speaker 1: looking at votes that were cast in person? Today? Are
Speaker 1: we looking at a mix of both, because that that
Speaker 1: question and trying to be on top of that information
Speaker 1: was key to understanding everything that was happening, and that
Speaker 1: was just something there's no at a certain level, there's
Speaker 1: no preparing for it because we've never had that before
Speaker 1: in an election. And so yeah, I felt I always
Speaker 1: feel a lot of anxiety before these things. This year
Speaker 1: I felt ten times more than I have in the past.
Speaker 1: How do you come off as unbiased? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's probably a cliche, but the numbers don't lie, you know,
Speaker 1: at a certain point, and you know, I can if
Speaker 1: I if I have as it's true in sports, it's
Speaker 1: it's true covering politics. If you're cheering for a team
Speaker 1: in sports, you know, there's no denying. If they they
Speaker 1: lose seventeen fourteen, there's no time left on the clock,
Speaker 1: then they've lost the games over you got to talk
Speaker 1: about the next game, you know. I think the same
Speaker 1: is true, and you know, covering an election, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: do me any good to be to be trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of push it to one side or
Speaker 1: to push it to the other as the numbers come in,
Speaker 1: because they are going to ultimately all come in and
Speaker 1: we'll all be able to see what it is, what
Speaker 1: happens if the touch screen goes down? What was the
Speaker 1: game plan? It's it's happened before. It's it's how I
Speaker 1: made the Tonight Show. For the first time in my life.
Speaker 1: This this was in the twenty sixteen election. I was
Speaker 1: doing a segment and the board went blank, completely blank,
Speaker 1: but the writing function on it, you know, with my
Speaker 1: finger still worked and the cameras still rolling. Nobody's telling
Speaker 1: me to stop. So I'm like, I got to improvise here.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about sort of you know, road
Speaker 1: to two seventies. So I said, okay, I'll draw a
Speaker 1: crude outline of the United States and I can kind
Speaker 1: of talk about the different regions. So I tried to
Speaker 1: draw the United States and it looked like part of
Speaker 1: the It turned out it looked like part of the
Speaker 1: Mayo Reproductive. Jimmy Fallon noticed it. That was my first
Speaker 1: you say, overnight fame or something. That was my first
Speaker 1: liste of it. Okay, but how do you how do
Speaker 1: you react to something like that? I know you, I
Speaker 1: think you made majored in TV and film at Boston University,
Speaker 1: but you know, now I'm famous and I'm infamous, and
Speaker 1: so how do you process that? Yeah? That it was
Speaker 1: the thing about that was like I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: it till things started popping up online. I really didn't
Speaker 1: think I had done anything. And then it was one
Speaker 1: of those was obvious. Once I saw it, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I see how how everybody saw that? And of course
Speaker 1: I was on with one of my colleagues here, Hallie Jackson,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, she was standing next to
Speaker 1: me the whole time, and you could see when you
Speaker 1: look at the tape she recognized it. I start when
Speaker 1: something like that happens, My view is it's like, just
Speaker 1: you know, just just to own it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of stepped in it, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make excuses for it. I'll just, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll laugh along with everybody because it's kind of ridiculous. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's best to grab it and own it before
Speaker 1: somebody else chose. I always tell people then, and this
Speaker 1: has happened to me on numerous occasions. You make a mistake,
Speaker 1: own it, and then they then you take away the
Speaker 1: weapon that somebody else has when they're going to point
Speaker 1: that out so you did the right thing where you
Speaker 1: just go, hey, I did it. I move on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think you're right. And that's what I try
Speaker 1: to do when when it's a little bit more serious
Speaker 1: than a drawing like that. You know, we've gotten numbers wrong,
Speaker 1: We've gotten you know, we'll get vote returns that come
Speaker 1: in and it turns out there's corrections and they change completely.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I do think that's key with the audience
Speaker 1: system in terms of credibility. Um, don't try to pretend
Speaker 1: if you if you made a fool yourself, don't try
Speaker 1: to pretend you didn't based on the numbers, who would
Speaker 1: you put in the Super Bowl? Can you do something
Speaker 1: that far out of projection? It's I guess this would
Speaker 1: be the Steve Cornaki gut numbers because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the updated you know, we've been our partners PF Pro
Speaker 1: Football focused. I haven't seen our updated numbers after last night,
Speaker 1: but just my my gut on it would be Kansas City,
Speaker 1: you know, in the AFC, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: probably conventional wisdom at this point in the NFC, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like in the way green base plan right now. Okay, well, wait,
Speaker 1: is this based off anything or is this this is
Speaker 1: your gut this is this is my gut feeling, and
Speaker 1: it's a sense of where the numbers. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the updates, but my guess is between Pittsburgh losing, you know,
Speaker 1: Kansas City hanging out against Denver, my senses the numbers
Speaker 1: are gonna ship pretty dramatically in the AFC. Here, give
Speaker 1: me your favorite county in the United States. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. Um my favorite county. Well, I got to
Speaker 1: be partial to Middlesex County, Massachusetts, m where I was born. Um,
Speaker 1: is our favorite name of a county that you loved?
Speaker 1: Saying there's Otagomy County in Wisconsin, which has one of
Speaker 1: the you know, the funny Wisconsin has the best county names.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, there's always you know where an arbor
Speaker 1: is in Michigan, washtona county. Um. You know, when you
Speaker 1: get to the Upper Midwest, I think you get a
Speaker 1: lot of those sort of Native American names, and you
Speaker 1: get those are the ones where sometimes in my early
Speaker 1: days of doing this, I would call them when I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure in the pronunciation of the day of an election,
Speaker 1: I would just call up like the county clerk's office,
Speaker 1: just to see how they answered the phone, and that
Speaker 1: would be my answer. Yeah, that's what's difficult is just
Speaker 1: making sure because I always point out that there was
Speaker 1: a movie that Thomas Crown Affair with Pierce Brosnan, and
Speaker 1: they mentioned in the movie that somebody is from Lima, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Well it's it's Lima, Ohio. And if you're from that area,
Speaker 1: you're like, how could you screw that up? So you
Speaker 1: have to make sure you get it right. We might
Speaker 1: not know the county you're talking about, but the people
Speaker 1: who live in that county know the county you're talking about.
Speaker 1: The locals do, and some of them are very you know, counterintuitive.
Speaker 1: You got in like the San Antonio is in Texas,
Speaker 1: it looks like Bexar County. It's Bayer County b e
Speaker 1: x A R. And it's Bayer County. Allen. Took me
Speaker 1: a while to learn. Hey, congrats on the success there, Steve,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll see you on football. Are you doing
Speaker 1: up all night in America now the rest of the
Speaker 1: regular season, Yeah, it sounds like we're going to do
Speaker 1: it through the through the rest of the season, you know,
Speaker 1: follow the playoff race. Look at the numbers change and
Speaker 1: it's very excited for it. All right, just be careful
Speaker 1: what you draw. Okay, yeah, thanks, I think I learned
Speaker 1: my blessing there. Thank you, Steve. That's Steve Karnaki and
Speaker 1: uh he of course works for NBC their national political
Speaker 1: correspondent to MSNBC and he is the election map expert.
Speaker 1: He was the star on election night depending on what
Speaker 1: you were watching. Uh, if you if you stumbled upon
Speaker 1: NBC News with their coverage, you couldn't take your eyes
Speaker 1: off what he was doing. He was really he was
Speaker 1: all in. He was fascinated. Yes, yes, time. He's like
Speaker 1: a hero on social media. Just everybody loves that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on all the platforms. Well you need that guy like
Speaker 1: you just want it broken down so you understand what
Speaker 1: is going on. And you know Tim Russer, the late
Speaker 1: Tim Russer, he was so great on TV. And you
Speaker 1: know Tim was writing on you know, the whiteboard, and
Speaker 1: now you have the technology that what Steve has. John King, Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Cornaki could get some sponsorships. You know
Speaker 1: there's those untucked shirts, but what about a shirt company
Speaker 1: where the sleeves are pre rolled up, called the cornaki.
Speaker 1: It's gold gold. He gets his khakis from the gap,
Speaker 1: by the way. That's one of those where you know,
Speaker 1: you sort of accidentally stumble into celebrity celebrity hood and
Speaker 1: it's not like you go, hey, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: map expert and somebody's gonna go you're gonna be a
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah. Right, And then his first taste with
Speaker 1: you know, national recognition, he draws a phallic symbol on
Speaker 1: a touch screen. Yeah, and his co host there in
Speaker 1: the moment, it knows exactly what She's like, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she can't. She's trying to hold back her laughter but
Speaker 1: really can't. It's pretty hilarious because he's all in and
Speaker 1: he doesn't realize what he's doing. And then she's like going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he doesn't know that he's drawing that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A good stuff. Good job Todd reaching out and getting
Speaker 1: Steve on the program. Paul Feinbaum will join us coming
Speaker 1: up next hour. We'll come back. I got a couple
Speaker 1: of stats of the day. Also, I stumbled upon a
Speaker 1: movie yesterday yesterday afternoon, Yesterday afternoon, and I was pleasantly surprised,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if this person could pull it off,
Speaker 1: but they did. I'll have that for you coming up.
Speaker 1: Phone calls as well back after this and The Dan
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Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR,
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. I was
Speaker 1: looking for something to watch. I'm not necessarily a binge watcher.
Speaker 1: I like a little separation. I don't like to watch
Speaker 1: eight episodes of something in a day, at least I
Speaker 1: try not to. And stumbled upon this movie. It's called
Speaker 1: Peppermint and it came out in twenty eighteen, and the
Speaker 1: hero of the movie is Jennifer Garner and she is
Speaker 1: a vigilante. Her family has been killed and she's going
Speaker 1: after this drug cartel and she does it single handedly.
Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, Now, I don't watch trailers. I
Speaker 1: usually don't even read reviews on a movie. I'll just
Speaker 1: if somebody recommends it. But I thought, all right, I
Speaker 1: loved her an alias. I think she's very talented, and
Speaker 1: I wondered if she could pull off this. I'm a
Speaker 1: badass and she did. She did a great job in it.
Speaker 1: So it's called Peppermint. And I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: anybody else in the movie that you would know name wise,
Speaker 1: but she is really really good. Yeah, pa, is it
Speaker 1: a good movie? Or do you just really really like
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner? Which is understandable because we all do, okay,
Speaker 1: the fair question. And I loved Jennifer Garner, that's true, yes,
Speaker 1: and uh, but I thought that she you know, because
Speaker 1: of that how I see her normally, you know, as
Speaker 1: a mother of three and you know, you just go ok.
Speaker 1: But then you see her in this movie and then
Speaker 1: you forget that that's Jennifer Garner, mother of three kids.
Speaker 1: She plays the role extremely well, and uh, she's she's tough,
Speaker 1: she's good. Yeah, mclovin more realistic as a vigilante or
Speaker 1: when she played a Browns executive in the movie Draft
Speaker 1: das Um, I'm gonna say the vigilante like I had
Speaker 1: a problem with uh the what is it Draft Day
Speaker 1: or what was it called? Yeah? Yeah, Draft Day with
Speaker 1: Kevin Coster. You know, there were a couple of things
Speaker 1: that were a little loose in there, and they took
Speaker 1: a running back too high. Yeah, that's the don't want
Speaker 1: to draft. And look I made them steak where I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd take Saquon Barkley and uh, I made a mistake there, yam, Polly.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Andrew actually when you went around
Speaker 1: to us and we each got to ask Kevin cost
Speaker 1: Or a question. And Andrew's question was, what were you
Speaker 1: thinking taking a running back that that's at the stage
Speaker 1: for him cursing out PAULI. The next question, well, you
Speaker 1: remember Dan. I think Jennifer Garner was on our show
Speaker 1: I'm checking my notes twenty fourteen and the dan Nets
Speaker 1: were absolutely smitten. She may be a one seed for
Speaker 1: most smitten reaction on the show. Yeah, her and Jessica Alba.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when she came in studio when we were
Speaker 1: still at ESPN. And and remember she came in with
Speaker 1: the commission Michael Chilis, Yeah, Michael Chick, but Michael checklist
Speaker 1: was a little too protective, like it felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the radio studio on the campus of ESPN.
Speaker 1: Easy there, Mike easy commission Like he I thought he
Speaker 1: was like this close to going commission on us, and
Speaker 1: we were just having fun and we had Jen garner
Speaker 1: On and I think we had her after the super
Speaker 1: Bowl or close it was. It was playoff season and
Speaker 1: I was asking her about does she watch football with Ben?
Speaker 1: She was still with Ben Affleck and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: she was just she was very playful, she was fun
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you couldn't help but love her. But
Speaker 1: Peppermint is the name of the movie. In case you
Speaker 1: guys are interested in that. I did try Marauders with
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis. Yeah, and I you know, I usually look
Speaker 1: Netflix had their top ten and then I go, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: this looks interesting. Marauders I didn't. I didn't enjoy, but
Speaker 1: Peppermint was good. Yeah, the club, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: dive in? My wife keeps asking Wednesday, I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: The Crown. We need to know. I'm not interested in
Speaker 1: those kind of movies. I'm just not like. I find
Speaker 1: it also tragic with you know, Princess Diana, and it
Speaker 1: just feels like, you know, people hold on. They make
Speaker 1: a living off of this, covering the royals and everything
Speaker 1: that goes along with it. I don't know, I find
Speaker 1: it really sad what kind of life she had, how
Speaker 1: she was living her life after she got divorced. You know,
Speaker 1: her sons don't get along right now. I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's I just find it sad, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't find any enjoyment watching something like that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: The Crown. I tried to do the first season but
Speaker 1: could never make it through. I got about I don't know,
Speaker 1: three or four episodes and it's just too slow. But
Speaker 1: season four has been all right. If you're going to
Speaker 1: watch a season, that's the one to watch for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard. And then now they want the producer director
Speaker 1: to put a disclaimer there to say that this is fiction. Yeah, Seed,
Speaker 1: I'm just about to finish up Ted Lasso. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: it''s pretty good. It's it's hockey for sure, But damn
Speaker 1: is it funny? Like I'm really I enjoyed it way
Speaker 1: more than I thought I was gonna. Yes, Paul, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing there's very little nudity in The Crown, which leaves
Speaker 1: Todd out. I mean he's not big on Yeah, my
Speaker 1: wife's watching that. That doesn't do anything monarchy. Do you
Speaker 1: watch any shows that are now I'll watch old episode
Speaker 1: of Dark Angel just no, No, that's when she kind
Speaker 1: of came on the scene. No, I'm saying now, I'm
Speaker 1: saying now, like, is there is there a show? Now
Speaker 1: there's any show based for tweeters? Toad's in No, I
Speaker 1: like I like shows like The Goldbergs and things like that.
Speaker 1: I want to laugh. I don't want anything too. I'll watch,
Speaker 1: you know, the Law and Order shows and things like that.
Speaker 1: But because nothing makes you laugh like Law and Order. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like when I'm in the mood for when
Speaker 1: I'm something in the mood for something more serious, I'll
Speaker 1: watched you know, Dateline NBC. I like that on Friday Night,
Speaker 1: the Murder Mysteries, even though it kind of ends sadly
Speaker 1: every week it's based on someone being killed, but it's
Speaker 1: interesting the way they tell the story of how they
Speaker 1: found the evidence and who didn't didn't do it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of living in the seventies and eighties. I
Speaker 1: don't do the binge watching thing where there's something that
Speaker 1: I like that much that I want to watch. Ed
Speaker 1: in Illinois joins us high Ed. Hey, hey, DP, thanks
Speaker 1: for taking my call. I appreciate it. Yeah, you and
Speaker 1: Andy were talking about Jim Harbaugh and if he were
Speaker 1: to leave Michigan or be removed. How come no one
Speaker 1: mentions Mark Elston or Mike Elston excuse me over at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He played at Michigan, he coached it early on,
Speaker 1: and he's done a great job from our here under
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. Just throwing it out there. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about him, ed, but I'll get some
Speaker 1: of my best people on that. We love to you know, jettison, somebody, fire, somebody,
Speaker 1: get rid of somebody, move on from somebody. I just
Speaker 1: need to know who you putting in their place, who
Speaker 1: comes in, and you know, that's an upgrade, like I
Speaker 1: don't want it to be additioned by subtraction. And it
Speaker 1: feels like that's what maybe Texas is looking at. Maybe
Speaker 1: Michigan is looking at that as well. Paul Feinbaum, voice
Speaker 1: of the SEC, will join us. What's you make of
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