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Speaker 1: Hay drilled listeners. Some of you may know that I

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Speaker 1: co host another climate related podcast. It's called hot Take.

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Speaker 1: I co host it with Mary Annie Segler, and we

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Speaker 1: talk about climate coverage, how the climate story is unfolding,

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Speaker 1: where there are gaps in the coverage, where there are

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Speaker 1: interesting new trends, all of that kind of stuff. This

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Speaker 1: is roughly, Oh, you think quarantine is bad, just wait

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Speaker 1: till the Democrats get to climate policy. We get into

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Speaker 1: how that narrative came, about why it's working in some cases,

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Speaker 1: This is a quick, little bonus episode that hot Take

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Speaker 1: to our newsletter subscribers earlier this month. If you're interested

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Speaker 1: in this kind of analysis of climate coverage, check out

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Speaker 1: hot Take the podcast and hot Take the newsletter. There

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Speaker 1: will be links in the show notes in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy this conversation. Welcome to hot Take, the

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Speaker 1: podcast where we tackle the climate crisis and the climate conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Westerbelt.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Mary Annie's Teigler. This is one of our

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Speaker 2: between season bonus episodes. As you know, we just wrapped

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Speaker 2: up season one and so in between we're just going

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Speaker 1: This is what we're calling a coffee break episode. And yes,

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Speaker 1: we're literally drinking coffee right now. We're gonna take just

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Speaker 1: think is important. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Any what kind of coffee are you drinking?

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Speaker 1: I have like a really over the top coffee set

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Speaker 1: so it's not like I can like get good coffee elsewhere. Ah.

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Speaker 2: So you were prepared for coffee during a pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I see, I was. I was. Yeah, I have like

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Speaker 2: My Okay, okay, okay, So.

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking an Americano that I made myself.

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Speaker 2: You I want to ask you that again. Okay. So

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting over here with my little chemmicks. There's like

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Speaker 2: a six chemmics. Great, it's great, it's great, But you know,

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Speaker 2: I have the sixth cup one. It's just me. It's

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Speaker 2: just a great and does it get.

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Speaker 1: How do you keep it warm? This is always my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, See. The thing is, it's not about the

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Speaker 2: temperature of the coffee. It's about the dimensions of your imagination.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Drinking room temperature coffee right now, and I feel fine

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Speaker 2: about my choices because we can't all have a barista

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Speaker 1: It's insane. It's truly insane. I should like post. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to post a picture of it to the newsletter

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Speaker 1: so you guys can really appreciate.

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Speaker 2: The reason, so you can hate amy with me my coffee. Yeah, okay, fine.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so we're drinking coffee, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: Times last week on May seventh's by Lisa Frietman.

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Speaker 2: The title is the GOP Coronavirus. Message is that economic

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Speaker 1: So yeah, right, let's get into it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So I guess I'll just start by reading

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Speaker 2: a couple of passages from this article that really struck me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, over the past two months, Republican lawmakers, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: push their radical climate agenda. As though any Democrat ever

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Speaker 1: most quote unquote socialist policies the fucking fossil fuel industry. Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: any kind or else, that's being socialist. Let's stop giving

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Speaker 1: love so much. Right, all right, that's it for this

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Speaker 1: coffee break. We hope you enjoyed it. If you spot

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Speaker 1: a look at, tweet at us at real hot take.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Amy, you know coffee has a rough time in

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Speaker 2: my house. It gets mugged every morning.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I did not know where that was going