Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: How's it going everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: was gone, we uh we went north and we were
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Speaker 1: show here today and simper vv has a day off
Speaker 1: and I will be joined in the next segment by
Speaker 1: our own Lance Storm, who in fact will join us
Speaker 1: for this entire program here today. And it's Thursday on
Speaker 1: the show. You know that means man we have got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, including yes last night, AW Dynamite.
Speaker 1: What'd you think of that show? What did you think
Speaker 1: of the footage with CM punk and Jack Perry, what
Speaker 1: did you think of all of it? Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk today about what I thought of it as well
Speaker 1: as Lance Storm, and I should add that I also
Speaker 1: have some notes about yesterday and the belief internally about
Speaker 1: where things are going from this point forward. And I
Speaker 1: think that you are an AW fan and you were
Speaker 1: disappointed by what happened last night, didn't like it, whatever,
Speaker 1: Hopefully what I have heard is true, and so we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that here today on the program. And we've
Speaker 1: also got a whole bunch of ratings notes, some notes
Speaker 1: on the Rock and how much money he got for
Speaker 1: Mania weekend, and I think it's a pretty good chance
Speaker 1: based on all of this, we're going to see Rock
Speaker 1: wrestling again because that dude made a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And we'll also take your feedback as well. That's got
Speaker 1: the AW pay per view schedule for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. Coming back here to Seattle. Looks like the
Speaker 1: Seattle area it's going to be like an annual tradition
Speaker 1: for that Wrestle Dream Show anyway, lot talk about we'll
Speaker 1: kick it off after the break Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Lance Storm is joining us here today as I dink
Speaker 1: around with this thing right here, Lance, what's going on?
Speaker 6: Not too much? Just ready to talk dynamite.
Speaker 1: Well, we have to talk dynamite here, and before before
Speaker 1: we get in all of that, we should we should
Speaker 1: talk about the important thing, Lance, and that is your health.
Speaker 1: How you feeling feeling.
Speaker 6: A lot better? Doctor put me on prednazone for five
Speaker 6: days to see if it can help my breathing issues,
Speaker 6: and it certainly seems to have helped. So I'm sleeping
Speaker 6: and feeling a thousand times better.
Speaker 1: Excellent news. So now what's what's next? I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't be on prednazone forever.
Speaker 6: Well, the hope is that the prednic zone will knock
Speaker 6: down whatever is bothering my nasal passages bad enough that
Speaker 6: we can maintain afterwards without it. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, good luck, Lance, I know it's been rough, trust,
Speaker 1: I've heard about it. All right, everybody, let's talk about
Speaker 1: last night. Shall I start, Lance or would you like
Speaker 1: to to begin?
Speaker 6: Go ahead?
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the deal, everybody. I watched the footage, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know many times I you know something's coming.
Speaker 1: It's my job to analyze, predict whatever, okay, And a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, something will I'll make some
Speaker 1: prediction or something like that, and and sometimes I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, I was not expecting that, but that is
Speaker 1: actually better than I expect, okay. And then there are
Speaker 1: other times where I make some predictions, I make some whatever,
Speaker 1: and then the thing happens and I'm like, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I was thinking going in. This is what I
Speaker 1: thought about last night. I honestly have absolutely no idea
Speaker 1: why they aired that footage. I cannot, for the life
Speaker 1: of me figure it out. Because the thing is, Cmpunk
Speaker 1: had his side of the story that he gave on
Speaker 1: Ariel Hiljuane's show, and apparently Tony was furious and decided
Speaker 1: that he was going to air the footage. Okay, So
Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, I figured, okay, well, in some
Speaker 1: way this footage has to make, you know, see mpunk
Speaker 1: look very bad, and it was the footage that got
Speaker 1: him fired, by the way, And so I had the
Speaker 1: other question though, which is the people that are showing
Speaker 1: this footage in storyline are going to be the young
Speaker 1: bucks their heels and you know this involves Jack Perry,
Speaker 1: who is currently working as a heel and he's got
Speaker 1: this big shirt that says scapegoat on it. And it
Speaker 1: also like how's it gonna be handled? This whole deal
Speaker 1: where Tony Kahan said that he felt like his life
Speaker 1: was in danger. These are the things that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to figure out when they are this footage. Now,
Speaker 1: the one thing I will say they did this because
Speaker 1: I didn't know how they were going to do this.
Speaker 1: I was baffled when I was told that this was
Speaker 1: going to play into a storyline leading to the pay
Speaker 1: per view. I thought, how okay. Now, whether you like
Speaker 1: how they did it or not, the fact is they
Speaker 1: did try. And the storyline was the Young Bucks were
Speaker 1: getting ready for their match with FTR at Wembley. This
Speaker 1: incident happened in the back before the match. They had
Speaker 1: to put on their EVP caps go handle the situation.
Speaker 1: They were totally out of wrestler mode. They got it
Speaker 1: all handled and then they had to go to the
Speaker 1: ring all flustered or whatever, and they lost to FTR.
Speaker 1: And this is time that's not gonna happen. That's the
Speaker 1: story they told. Okay, fine, they try to do something
Speaker 1: to turn it into a pay per view angle. But
Speaker 1: it was obvious watching the video that cmpunk was the aggressor. Okay,
Speaker 1: Jack Perry did not aggressively approach him. C mpunk went
Speaker 1: right up to the guy and they had a long conversation,
Speaker 1: and like, there's all these other people around, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what was said in the confrontation, but like
Speaker 1: all the people surrounding them, I mean, you know, they
Speaker 1: they clearly heard that something was going on, but they
Speaker 1: didn't appear like, oh my god, we got to break
Speaker 1: this up before it escalates. Just you know, they had
Speaker 1: some sort of confrontation. We have no idea what they
Speaker 1: said because there was no audio. And then you know,
Speaker 1: whatever Jack Perry said, whether it's what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do about it? Or whatever, you know, Punk Boom shoved him.
Speaker 1: Once Boom shoved him twice. Jack Perry comes forward, Punk
Speaker 1: grabs his head. Was it a choke, was it a
Speaker 1: front face lock? We don't know because we couldn't see it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, there was no moment where you know,
Speaker 1: some Ojoe politely asked Punk to let go, and Punk
Speaker 1: Lego Joe rushed in there, and man, he tore these
Speaker 1: dudes apart. The entire thing from the first shove to
Speaker 1: them being torn apart was less than six seconds. The
Speaker 1: actual front headlock, choke whatever it was less than four seconds.
Speaker 1: I mean it was boom immediately broken up in the melee,
Speaker 1: some monitors. You know, we heard that monitors went flying.
Speaker 1: They didn't go flying, but there were monitors that were
Speaker 1: knocked around and people were trying to fix the monitors.
Speaker 1: Punk's you know, rear end banged into them and they
Speaker 1: started falling all over the place. And then when they
Speaker 1: were broken up, you know, you could you could see
Speaker 1: I think Tony Kahan's hand and like part of his
Speaker 1: face trying to get him away from the monitors. And
Speaker 1: then Chrishierro comes from behind the monitors to help break
Speaker 1: them up, and boy to that guy looked miserable. And
Speaker 1: then Punk does, you know, go straight towards Tony Khan
Speaker 1: and Cris Hero got between him and Tony Khan and
Speaker 1: Punk was not getting past Chris Hero, and then he
Speaker 1: was dragged away and away they went. And when it
Speaker 1: was over, I mean, I thought, you know this this,
Speaker 1: you know, Punk did look somewhat crazed, but you know,
Speaker 1: he was immediately held back I don't know how Tony
Speaker 1: felt that his life was in danger, So having seen that,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he heard the footage. And then
Speaker 1: number two, it's like Jack Perry, whatever he said verbally physically,
Speaker 1: he did not do anything. He did not do anything.
Speaker 1: He did not go after see him punk. He did
Speaker 1: not like he was attacked in this segment. And you know,
Speaker 1: having watched the video and knowing that dude's been gone
Speaker 1: for seven months, seven months has been gone because of this,
Speaker 1: And you know, when the Young Bucks are there and
Speaker 1: Matt Scott his Scapegoat shirt, hun, It's like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy comes up with a scapegoat. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a heel. They've already apparently completely sold out of Scapegoat
Speaker 1: T shirts, So like, how this is making him a heel?
Speaker 1: I have no earthly idea. You know, the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: ran in and they got cmpunk Chance, which, my god,
Speaker 1: if that's gonna be a thing in aw where every
Speaker 1: week we have to here cmpunk Chance, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: to me a disaster. And you know that's kind of
Speaker 1: my thoughts on everything. They spent all this time angry
Speaker 1: at somebody in WWE. They went immediately to Will Osprey
Speaker 1: cutting a promo on Triple H. As a viewer, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there for twenty minutes watching Tony Kahan get what
Speaker 1: he feels is his revenge on WWE on an aw show,
Speaker 1: and I am just begging for them to move on.
Speaker 1: So I guess before we talk more, Lance, your thoughts
Speaker 1: on what we saw last night.
Speaker 6: I didn't mind it as much as you did, I
Speaker 6: think because I looked at it more as I'm just
Speaker 6: a wrestling viewer, like I haven't followed as much of
Speaker 6: the backstage bs as you have, so it's like it
Speaker 6: ended up being far better than I expected. I expected
Speaker 6: it to be pretty bad, but it's like it came
Speaker 6: off like the Young Bucks coming up with a lame
Speaker 6: excuse on why they lost their match, and I thought
Speaker 6: Matt saying, we're gonna air the footage, but you know,
Speaker 6: it's really just like some high school garbage and it
Speaker 6: really isn't much, which I thought was good to downplay
Speaker 6: it because it did come off as very high school.
Speaker 6: One guy shoved the other guy, one guy charged at
Speaker 6: him to take him down, and they were broken up.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, that's the level of fight you see
Speaker 6: in high school. Because I've seen far better backstage fights
Speaker 6: than this one, So it was just they showed some
Speaker 6: footage that really didn't amount to anything, tried to turn
Speaker 6: it into an angle. Now. I do think a good
Speaker 6: quality video package would have made me more interested in
Speaker 6: the Bucks FDR match, but it wasn't as bad as
Speaker 6: I expected it to be. You say, Jungle Boy is
Speaker 6: a heel. He may be in New Japan, but he
Speaker 6: hasn't been established that in AAW. I think he's got
Speaker 6: to come back as a baby face because he came
Speaker 6: off like a scapegoat. It's like this guy was gone
Speaker 6: for that. It's like he was fixing his hair. A
Speaker 6: guy shoved him, he tried to take him down. The
Speaker 6: takedown got stuffed, probably partially because Punk hit the desk
Speaker 6: and it was broken up. It's like, I've seen way worse.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about this more after the break.
Speaker 1: Observer Live.
Speaker 2: For you, were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 2: Albarez and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back on the show, Bryan Alberaz here Wrestling Observer Live,
Speaker 1: Mike simber vv not here today Lance is joining us
Speaker 1: and during the break there were some comments in the chat,
Speaker 1: so I'll address a few of those. First off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, as far as like turning
Speaker 1: it into a storyline, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they could have done anything better, because I couldn't conceive
Speaker 1: of anything working. But the young Bucks using that as
Speaker 1: a heel excuse for why they lost. They were busy
Speaker 1: dealing with something else because they are evp's and and
Speaker 1: then you know Dax and Cash coming out, they're doing
Speaker 1: their promo. What can we get over this and everything?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was I think the best
Speaker 1: they could have done. So I don't really have anything. Listen,
Speaker 1: if they decided they were going to show it, then
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with they ended up doing
Speaker 1: with it. Okay. Now the other thing is, well, what
Speaker 1: is going on with Jack Perry? And you know, people
Speaker 1: have mentioned he's not actually suspended right now, which is
Speaker 1: which is the case? Okay, So we talked about this
Speaker 1: a while ago. What happened with Jack is that the
Speaker 1: thing happened and then they you know, he's got sent home.
Speaker 1: And this was in like late August, early September. I
Speaker 1: forget when the show was. I think the very end
Speaker 1: of August, but he just you know, I believe no
Speaker 1: communication whatsoever. Its the same thing at all of these suspensions,
Speaker 1: when when something happens, there's an investigation, there's like no
Speaker 1: communication whatsoever. And so he was gone, and he would
Speaker 1: have been suspended for at least two months because there
Speaker 1: was no discussion of bringing him back until November. And
Speaker 1: around November there was an idea in motion to bring
Speaker 1: him back, but Cmpunk showed up at Survivor series and
Speaker 1: Tony scrapped the idea. Now why I don't know, but
Speaker 1: he did. As soon as cmpunk came back to WWE,
Speaker 1: he scrapped the idea of the return of Jungle Boy. So, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if the reason is he wanted to
Speaker 1: avoid cmpunk chants, that's quite ironic today. But anyway, so he,
Speaker 1: you know, no plans for return. And that's when you
Speaker 1: know Jack and Rocky Romero and Tony Kahan. It's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a shoot. But they eventually all
Speaker 1: got together and set up Jack's run in New Japan.
Speaker 1: Because the fact is, Tony wasn't planning on using him,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't suspended the entire time, but until very recently,
Speaker 1: there have been no plans to bring him back now
Speaker 1: obvious probably in the last you know, two three weeks.
Speaker 1: You can see things that Jack has been doing. You
Speaker 1: can see things that Young Buck as Young Bucks have
Speaker 1: been doing. You saw this whole thing there. I mean,
Speaker 1: my guess is, I know you think otherwise, Lance, but
Speaker 1: I think that Jack Perry is returning at the pay
Speaker 1: per view and he's gonna help screw FTR. Young Bucks
Speaker 1: are gonna win the tag team titles and they will
Speaker 1: be a heel trio. That's where I think they're going here.
Speaker 1: But that is the update on what's going on with
Speaker 1: Jack Perry and his his status with AW.
Speaker 6: All Right, I would rather see him be the third
Speaker 6: to FTR because he's a scapegoat because the office treated
Speaker 6: him poorly, and the Bucks are the office and they
Speaker 6: already have ocado for their trio. They don't need another one.
Speaker 1: I suppose as possible he can return and you know,
Speaker 1: the Bucks think he's gonna be helping them, and then
Speaker 1: he helps FTR. You could, you could definitely do that,
Speaker 1: but but we shall see. So anyway, that is the
Speaker 1: that's the story of the footage and the whole shebang,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, that's what they did. I will say
Speaker 1: this because I talked to a lot of people last night,
Speaker 1: okay in AW and by the way, like, uh, this
Speaker 1: was a well, it's gonna be interesting to see the
Speaker 1: rating because this was a This was viewed by a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I heard from people in WWE that
Speaker 1: like everybody was talking about it, which obviously they would
Speaker 1: because see them Punk was involved, and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: in a w was talking about it. Now did they
Speaker 1: did they actually watch it on television? Did they see
Speaker 1: it on Twitter? I mean the first place I saw
Speaker 1: it was Twitter, but I mean I watch on a delay.
Speaker 1: But it's not like you couldn't find it on social
Speaker 1: media yesterday. It was everywhere. They did try like all
Speaker 1: night to try to take it down, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw it everywhere on social media. So
Speaker 1: the feeling that I heard from from the people in
Speaker 1: AW is going in. I don't want to say everybody,
Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't talk to everybody or even nearly everybody,
Speaker 1: but people talk and in general, I mean, the vast,
Speaker 1: vast majority, we're like, why are we doing this? I
Speaker 1: can't believe we're gonna show this? Why? Very upset, disappointed,
Speaker 1: you know, is this ship sinking? Like, what are we
Speaker 1: doing here? So the footage aired, I heard a lot
Speaker 1: of the same. I can't believe that this was aired.
Speaker 1: I can't believe blah blah blah. But I did hear this,
Speaker 1: and that is that. You know, this is not from
Speaker 1: Tony Khan, but this is. This is what people have
Speaker 1: said regarding Tony. They believe that he has now gotten
Speaker 1: this out of his system and he is ready to
Speaker 1: just move on, look past it. It's done. I showed
Speaker 1: my footage, Like he wanted to show this footage months
Speaker 1: and months and months ago, but for whatever reason, whether
Speaker 1: he decided that it was a bad idea or somebody
Speaker 1: talked him out of it, he didn't. But allegedly he
Speaker 1: is saying it's done, We're moving on. The footage is aired.
Speaker 1: Let's just move on with this and for what it's worth. Like,
Speaker 1: I have heard from a lot of people that did
Speaker 1: not want to see it aired. They were disappointed that
Speaker 1: it aired, but they were like, you know what, like
Speaker 1: this has got to be rock a bottom. Let's just
Speaker 1: it's time to move on. It's time to get out
Speaker 1: of this mode, go back to do an aw, concentrate
Speaker 1: on ourselves, that is the feeling. Now. Whether that is
Speaker 1: the case, whether you know, next Wednesday on Dynamite we
Speaker 1: have another wacky thing or whatever, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that is what I heard from people there today. You know, universally,
Speaker 1: the feeling is, you know, we did it, It's over
Speaker 1: and let's move on.
Speaker 6: Let's hope because on the whole it was a pretty
Speaker 6: good show.
Speaker 1: Now. I know you want to talk about this Dustin
Speaker 1: match with Joe, which I very much liked. By the way,
Speaker 1: I thought the opening match and I thought the main
Speaker 1: event were both like excellent matches. You know, Adam Copeland
Speaker 1: Edge versus Pentagon. Never thought i'd see it, but that
Speaker 1: was a very good match. And then the main event
Speaker 1: with Dustin and Simoe Joe was very good, but it
Speaker 1: was non title and I don't want to go on
Speaker 1: this rant, so I'll let you do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I liked the starting of the show with Swerve
Speaker 6: jumping Joe and giving the show a bit of a oh,
Speaker 6: we're on the edge of our seat.
Speaker 1: You can't say that on byline, brother.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I apologize, but I think it would
Speaker 6: have been so much better if it was a title match,
Speaker 6: because then there is the Swerve jumps Joe. He's not
Speaker 6: only mad at Joe, but mad that he's putting the
Speaker 6: title on the line before the pay per view, which
Speaker 6: is why so he took out Joe, hoping that he
Speaker 6: couldn't defend the title here because he wants his title shot.
Speaker 6: And then you've got the suspense of will Joe be
Speaker 6: able to fight and have this match. They say Joe's
Speaker 6: going to continue, and you have the announcers play up
Speaker 6: the drama of Swerve really screwed up here because Joe's
Speaker 6: not one hundred percent. Dustin might beat him now, and
Speaker 6: if he does, Swerve misses out on his title shot
Speaker 6: at the pay per view. So then you can hype
Speaker 6: that the whole match, you can show Joe in damaged condition,
Speaker 6: and you build this main event that now has even
Speaker 6: more possibility because there wasn't much before that Dustin could
Speaker 6: win because Swerve screwed up and injured Joe. And I
Speaker 6: think you would have had so much more drama. You
Speaker 6: could have thrown the show, checked on Joe to see
Speaker 6: what kind of state he's in, and I think you
Speaker 6: could have made the match even more interesting. And then
Speaker 6: again you still have Joe go over and then you
Speaker 6: do the angle at the with swerve, so you're right
Speaker 6: back where you ended up. But I think you could
Speaker 6: have created more drama and a little bit of doubt
Speaker 6: that darn maybe Dustin's gonna pull this off because Swerve
Speaker 6: hurt Joe would have been so much better. In my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I said going in, it should be
Speaker 1: a title match, and it'll be thirty seconds, guys, and
Speaker 1: we'll move on. I hate these stupid rankings, all of
Speaker 1: these decisions they make. If there are no rankings, I
Speaker 1: don't care, Okay, but the fact that there are rankings
Speaker 1: and we've got a situation where we can't give Dustin
Speaker 1: a title shot because he's not the number one contender
Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, Layla Hirsh who's had no
Speaker 1: matches on AW in over two years, She's getting a
Speaker 1: title match on Friday, And Mercedes Monnet, who's never even
Speaker 1: been in the company ever, is just gifted a title
Speaker 1: shot coming up with the pay per view in a
Speaker 1: segment that was built around rankings and the number one contendership.
Speaker 1: If you just got rid of the rankings, I don't care.
Speaker 1: It doesn't no matter what you do. If you have
Speaker 1: no rankings. Adding the rankings has made all of this
Speaker 1: make no sense. So anyway, I'm done. I know people hate.
Speaker 6: It not to mention when they cope opened and they
Speaker 6: just randomly give anybody who comes out of title shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that, but hey, at least that it's
Speaker 1: like that's his gimmick. He's willing to give anybody a
Speaker 1: championship match. So okay, that doesn't bother me as much.
Speaker 1: Aw did announce the upcoming schedule. These are all the
Speaker 1: pay per views and locations from now until the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Dynamite will be in Saint Louis, Missouri
Speaker 1: or Dynasty on April twenty first. We know that one
Speaker 1: May twenty sixth, as we are all well aware, a
Speaker 1: double or Nothing at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in
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Speaker 1: New York. All In at Wembley will be August twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: We knew that one All Out will be September first,
Speaker 1: Hoffman Estate, so they're doing back to back weekends again.
Speaker 1: Wrestle Dream October twelfth in the Tacoma Dome. God, I
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Speaker 1: Prudential Center November twenty third in New Jersey. And then
Speaker 1: we have got World's End December twenty eighth in Orlando,
Speaker 1: Florida at the Addition Financial Arena. So if you want
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Speaker 1: couple of notes from WrestleMania, which I want to tie
Speaker 1: into everything we've been talking about here today. So The Rock,
Speaker 1: after his match Saturday night, his tag match, he was
Speaker 1: it was reported inn SEC filing that he was given
Speaker 1: ninety seven thousand shares of TKO stock worth nine million dollars,
Speaker 1: So he now has one hundred and ninety three thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen shares. This was part of his
Speaker 1: deal to join the board, and that's a that's a
Speaker 1: lot of money for a match if you look at
Speaker 1: it from the perspective of I did a match and
Speaker 1: I got nine million dollars. Thing with Rock is he
Speaker 1: is a gigantic worldwide movie star, maybe the biggest on earth.
Speaker 1: And you know he can make a lot of money
Speaker 1: doing movies. So if you want him to do a
Speaker 1: WrestleMania match, if you want him to do a WrestleMania
Speaker 1: next year with Cody the year after with Roman Reigns,
Speaker 1: or however they end up doing it, you got to
Speaker 1: pay this dude. And this is an interesting way to
Speaker 1: do it by giving him stock worth X amount of money.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he made a lot of money for that.
Speaker 1: And of course the raw number, which I'm sure Mike
Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday, I mean that raw show on Monday night.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the show did two point three six
Speaker 1: million viewers a zero point eight three in eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine. They have not done a number like that
Speaker 1: since pre pandemic. You have to go back five years
Speaker 1: when way more people were watching television than our nowadays
Speaker 1: to get a point eight three. In eighteen to forty nine.
Speaker 1: Wrestle Nomics had the quarters. The rock Cody Roads promo
Speaker 1: segment did three million viewers a one point oh four
Speaker 1: in eighteen to forty nine, and in quarter three did
Speaker 1: three point two million viewers and a one point one
Speaker 1: point one in eighteen to forty nine. This was on
Speaker 1: a night where there was a basketball game that air
Speaker 1: across TBSTNT and True TV, which did fourteen point eight
Speaker 1: million viewers and a three point eight eight in eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine. So doing the number that Raw did
Speaker 1: on that night with that competition is pretty much it's inconceivable,
Speaker 1: I would say. And then of course NXT on Tuesday
Speaker 1: did well six hundred and forty one thousand viewers and
Speaker 1: a point two zero, which is an excellent demo, which
Speaker 1: actually is only a that was actually very close to dynamite.
Speaker 1: The last two weeks that point two zero and uh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the point is, as we can all see, the company
Speaker 1: is on fire. And so one of the things we
Speaker 1: were talking about yesterday in terms of AW is they're
Speaker 1: not beating WWE right now. There's no chance the gap
Speaker 1: is I mean, they're so far apart, and why try.
Speaker 1: What you need to do is concentrate on AW. And
Speaker 1: if you want to compare, you know whatever, don't be okay,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to equal or beat RAW. What
Speaker 1: you should be looking at is can we equal or
Speaker 1: beat what we did last year? Can we beat our
Speaker 1: own numbers? That's what I think that they should be doing.
Speaker 1: And I think it's time to ignore WWE. Do your
Speaker 1: own thing. Boom away you go. You're competing with yourself,
Speaker 1: not a company that right now is in the stratosphere.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Think I said it yesterday on threads because I'm
Speaker 6: not a participant on Twitter. You yield the most fruit
Speaker 6: when you tend your own garden, and I think that's
Speaker 6: a good plan. Grow your own business and don't worry
Speaker 6: about the farm next door.
Speaker 1: What did you watch this week? Lance?
Speaker 6: I watched I've already watched the Impact show that airs tonight,
Speaker 6: which is tremendous. And I watched Dynamite last night in
Speaker 6: this morning.
Speaker 1: And you watched no WrestleMania, none of the matches.
Speaker 6: I did not know. I was still suffering my breathing
Speaker 6: and sleep tiredness. Things got better Tuesday night for me,
Speaker 6: so I did very little otherwise. Start of reading ago.
Speaker 1: What's that book?
Speaker 6: It's a Rusty Puppy. It's one of the happen Lettered
Speaker 6: books by Joe R. Lansdale. It was a TV series
Speaker 6: on HBO or something.
Speaker 1: Briefly, well, I want to mention the upcoming lineup so
Speaker 1: we can talk more about Dynamite. So they've announced this
Speaker 1: coming Friday on SmackDown. We'll have appearances from Cody, Rhoades
Speaker 1: and Bailey, so SmackDown should do a huge number. We
Speaker 1: have got a three hour block of aw on Saturday
Speaker 1: night because it is Collision followed by Battle of the
Speaker 1: Belts ten and Collision has Tony Storm and a Zuomie
Speaker 1: in a title eliminator match, So if a Zoomie wins,
Speaker 1: she gets a title shot. And keep in mind they
Speaker 1: have a pay per view next week where Tony's putting
Speaker 1: the title on the line. We have Brian Danielson and
Speaker 1: Claudio versus Hobbes and Fletcher. And then for Battle of
Speaker 1: the Belts, which is a one hour television show called
Speaker 1: Battle of the Belts, Hook is defending the FTW title,
Speaker 1: which like in storyline, is not even recognized by AW
Speaker 1: against Shane Taylor. And the other match is Roderick Strong
Speaker 1: and Rocky Romero in a non title match un Battle
Speaker 1: of the Belts, a title eliminator. So you know, I've
Speaker 1: been watching these Battle of the Belts for for well
Speaker 1: ten of them now, and it's always like, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to have like a title change, make people
Speaker 1: want to watch Battle of the Belts. Do something. And
Speaker 1: we're now down to an unrecognized title and a non
Speaker 1: title match as your two matches announced us far for
Speaker 1: Battle of the Belts. So there is that, and then
Speaker 1: Raw Monday Week.
Speaker 6: Hasn't Roddy been doing the Hometown Open Challenge where he
Speaker 6: actually defends the title against nobody's but Rocky's not worthy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what they're doing. Then we've got Ron Montreal,
Speaker 1: sammy's Ay and Chad Gable for the Intercontinental title, and
Speaker 1: my guess is that Sammy beats him and so Sammy
Speaker 1: he gets a win in his hometown. But then they
Speaker 1: will do the Heat and have Bronson Reid kill Sammy
Speaker 1: and he'll be the next title challenger, and Andrade faces
Speaker 1: Dominic Mysterio and then for NXT they advertise a lot
Speaker 1: and one of them I thought was very clever. So
Speaker 1: Trick comes out well. First off, we had Axiem and
Speaker 1: Nathan Fraser winning the tag title, so brown Breaker is
Speaker 1: going up to the main roster. He's done, and maybe
Speaker 1: Baron as well. I don't know what's up with Baron,
Speaker 1: but Carmelo Hayes returned. Basically, Trick Williams came out and
Speaker 1: he wants a title shot against Elia. Eliot told him, no,
Speaker 1: Trick goes. What do I got to do to get
Speaker 1: a title shot? Alia says, you have to take the
Speaker 1: biggest risk of your life, the biggest gamble. I will
Speaker 1: face you in two weeks at Spring Breaking. If you lose,
Speaker 1: you must leave NXT. And I thought that was very clever,
Speaker 1: because you know everybody has been talking about out. Are
Speaker 1: they going to call up Trick Williams. I don't think
Speaker 1: they should, but it is absolutely something that has been
Speaker 1: talked about ever since that SmackDown show where he showed
Speaker 1: up on SmackDown and all of these fans in this
Speaker 1: building are chanting with that trick. So the office saw
Speaker 1: that and they were like, whoa, this dude's over and
Speaker 1: these fans at SmackDown know the gimmick. So is he leaving?
Speaker 1: Is he winning the title? Is Ilia leaving? I mean,
Speaker 1: we know that Elly has declared for the draft, so
Speaker 1: he appears to be leaving. So my guess is Trick
Speaker 1: does win the title and stays. But adding the you
Speaker 1: must leave if you lose does make it make it interesting,
Speaker 1: and they added that next week on NXT it is
Speaker 1: Trick versus Carmelo in a cage match. They're doing the
Speaker 1: stip next week, so that's.
Speaker 6: That, yeah, all right, And the week after that they're
Speaker 6: doing the match where Trick will either be the champion
Speaker 6: or he'll be doing a job before he gets called up,
Speaker 6: which was the defense of why he wasn't getting a
Speaker 6: title shot at Stand and Deliver.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly all right. Other thoughts from Dynamite Adam
Speaker 1: Copeland Penta. I thought that was a very good match.
Speaker 1: That was a lot.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed it, and I thought it was refreshing
Speaker 6: to see Adam break out some different stuff, so we're
Speaker 6: not just seeing the hits from the older guys, We're
Speaker 6: seeing some new stuff. So I really enjoyed it. Thought
Speaker 6: it was fun.
Speaker 1: I do like this comparison has been made before, but
Speaker 1: I do like seeing guys like Sting and Adam Copeland
Speaker 1: essentially going out there and being terry funk because like
Speaker 1: if you if you look at Randy Orton, Okay, I
Speaker 1: love Randy Orton. I think he's awesome. I have been
Speaker 1: loving his Matches to death of late, but he's doing
Speaker 1: He's doing his two thousand and two Randy Orton. He's
Speaker 1: just always gonna do that. And Case. I actually like
Speaker 1: it because one guy working that style on the rest
Speaker 1: of the show where everyone's doing all the craziness, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love it, but Edge Adam Copeland is not being edge.
Speaker 1: He's not going out there and doing his two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty twelve gimmick and matches and Stings certainly was not.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going out there and they're trying to
Speaker 1: hang and Copeland doing tilta world head scissors, I mean
Speaker 1: his head. The first head scissors he did was a
Speaker 1: head scissors from the seventies. But nobody does it I
Speaker 1: mean it was he was trying to do like a
Speaker 1: lucha match out there with Penta, So I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it a lot. And then they set up
Speaker 1: a bunch of other matches for Dynasty and next week,
Speaker 1: next week it is uh, it is Willow and Adam
Speaker 1: Copeland versus Brody and Julia Hart. And for reasons I
Speaker 1: cannot explain, I shouldn't even say this because people are
Speaker 1: gonna get mad. But like, unless the reason is Malachi
Speaker 1: will not do a job, I have no idea why
Speaker 1: it's not Malachi versus Adam Copeland at the at the
Speaker 1: Dynasty show, it's a random six man tag. We could
Speaker 1: have that on Dynamite, Like this should be a championship
Speaker 1: match on the show, But for whatever reason, they're not
Speaker 1: doing that singles match and I cannot explain it. We
Speaker 1: also have we had the segment with Hook and Jericho
Speaker 1: and Sabbata which led to the six man which was Hook,
Speaker 1: Jericho and Shabbata versus Moriarty, Taylor and a Go Go
Speaker 1: and they pinned Shebata in this match. And I guess
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it after the break because I want
Speaker 1: to get Lance's thoughts on Jericho back in the moment
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to mention regarding the Jericho segment that
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because there have been some
Speaker 1: booze for Jericho lately, but when they started this thing
Speaker 1: with Hook, like the whole thing was Hook knew who
Speaker 1: he was. Jericho claimed, We're gonna be on the same
Speaker 1: page here, and they were really, you know, you don't know,
Speaker 1: is Jericho gonna, you know, be a babyface here and
Speaker 1: help this guy? Is he gonna turn on him at
Speaker 1: some point? Like what's gonna happen? And like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden last night it was like we skipped forward
Speaker 1: a month and Jericho is fully a heel like he
Speaker 1: it's not even they're not even being subtle about it.
Speaker 1: You need to sit under the learning tree of Christ, Jericho.
Speaker 1: You do what I say. I was like, man, that
Speaker 1: was abrupt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it felt like they skipped about two months of stuff.
Speaker 6: It was aar Yeah. Although one thing I will give
Speaker 6: them credit for. We've complained a lot about predictable matchups.
Speaker 6: I would have predicted Jericho side won this thing, So
Speaker 6: it was nice to have the team I didn't expect
Speaker 6: to win win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know there are there are a lot
Speaker 1: of matches in aw where you always know who is
Speaker 1: going to win, and I do like every now and
Speaker 1: then we actually get something where we were surprised. I
Speaker 1: was I was not expecting Lee Moriarty to pin Shabbata
Speaker 1: in this match, but that is what happened. Well, listen, everybody,
Speaker 1: we got to wrap this show up for today. But
Speaker 1: tonight it's the Brian and Vinnie Show, and Vinnie and
Speaker 1: I have a full hour and a half to talk AWNNXT.
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Speaker 1: and we'll be back tomorrow with more. Thanks Lance Mike,
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