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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer,

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Speaker 1: and course creator. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.

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Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.

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Speaker 2: This episode is airing in early August of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Sarah is going to be interviewing Amanda Jefferson, who is

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Speaker 2: a decluttering expert.

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Speaker 1: In particular, they're going.

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Speaker 2: To be talking about digital clutter and how we can

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Speaker 2: get a grip on the various forms of digital cluttering

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Speaker 2: in our lives, how we can maybe limit what comes

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Speaker 2: in and organize what we need to keep. So, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: how is your digital clutter game looking these days?

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Speaker 1: Eh? I think most people would expect my digital systems

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Speaker 1: to be better organized, and they actually are, particularly saving

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Speaker 1: of various files as well as photos. But I will

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Speaker 1: say I tend to rely on redundancy, Like if I

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Speaker 1: put a decent descriptor on something and save it in

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Speaker 1: a bunch of places, including like sometimes emailing it to myself,

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Speaker 1: I generally can find almost anything I need, so I

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Speaker 1: haven't felt totally motivated to fix it. But then I'm

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Speaker 1: also sometimes like disgusted by it all, like oh, this

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Speaker 1: is saved, and this desktop folder in this place in

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Speaker 1: Google Drive and also this. I'm like, I just want

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Speaker 1: to start fresh and not migrate the contents on my

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Speaker 1: laptop and like start over. But it is also very

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Speaker 1: hard to build your kind of laptop universe from scratch,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe we'll learn about in this interview,

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Speaker 1: which I have not conducted as of this intro, But

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited because I have so many questions for her.

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Speaker 1: But maybe she'll know some tools to selectively migrate things

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Speaker 1: from like one device to another.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I'm sure she's going to have all sorts

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Speaker 1: Amanda is a.

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Speaker 2: Decluttering expert for both digital and physical stuff. She works

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Speaker 2: in the Greater Philadelphia area, so I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of people will want to check her out. Yeah, my

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Speaker 2: digital clutter, it's I would say similar to you. I

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Speaker 2: don't have a problem finding things that I need. I

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Speaker 2: don't save things with any particular order. I just save

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, even on my desktop, that which

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Speaker 2: is fine. It's so the desktop looks ridiculous on my

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Speaker 2: primary working laptop. But I actually have two laptops because

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Speaker 2: people may recall, laptop number one is from twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: and doesn't have the capacity to run things like Zoom

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Speaker 2: twenty two when I bought the other laptop. That has

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Speaker 2: I've been slowly migrating things onto the new one, but

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Speaker 2: not everything. And so a lot of my files are

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Speaker 1: Interesting like the Mac dump it all, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like whenever I get a new Mac, they're like, would

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that because a lot of it's junk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So all my photos made it onto my new phone.

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Speaker 2: So I had this other issue with I had an

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Speaker 2: Eventually I was able to get the photos over to

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited for this interview and hopefully she can

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's hear from Amanda Jefferson. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I am here now with Amanda Jefferson of Indigo Organizing,

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Speaker 1: So welcome Amanda. Go ahead and introduce yourself. Tell our

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm so excited to be here. Yes, I'm Amanda

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Speaker 3: from Indigo Organizing. I help people conquer digital clutter and

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Speaker 3: my co host book for you called the good enough Ish.

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Speaker 1: Podcast The good enough Ish Podcast. Well, how did you

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Speaker 1: get into all this digital organizing? What is your professional background?

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Speaker 1: And I guess let our listeners know, we're always interested

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Speaker 3: I'm in Westchester, Pennsylvania. I actually don't think I live

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Speaker 3: I believe, yes, absolutely m hm. So I lived just

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Speaker 3: And that was eight years ago. And for about four

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Speaker 1: That is so cool. I did not know you were

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's not really a ton of data

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Speaker 1: Right. I love that. I love the idea. I still

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Speaker 3: then when you get a sense of what you have

437
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Speaker 3: to do next, then it gives you a good place

438
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Speaker 3: to start.

439
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Speaker 1: Yes, And the fact is that it's like searchable and sortable.

440
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Speaker 1: It's really really fun. Have you seen people do cool

441
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Speaker 1: things with like color and I don't know, how have

442
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Speaker 1: you seen somebody's look And what is the highest number

443
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Speaker 1: of lines you've ever seen on somebody's life Google sheet?

444
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Speaker 3: Me, I've seen like one hundred and twenty five. So

445
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Speaker 3: I went in there the other day actually added like

446
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch more rose, you know, formatted rose, because

447
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, people have a lot

448
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Speaker 3: on their plate, right, Yeah, And I think it's very

449
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 3: similar to sort of what we do in con Mari

450
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Speaker 3: when we pile all the clothes on the bed.

451
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Speaker 1: It's like just that shock.

452
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Speaker 3: Factor of seeing like, oh, this is why I feel

453
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Speaker 3: the way that I do. This is why I feel

454
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Speaker 3: so stressed out because my brain is trying to process.

455
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Speaker 3: It's like that joke when they say like my brain

456
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Speaker 3: has too many tabs open. My brain has one hundred

457
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Speaker 3: and seventy five tabs open. That's why I feel the

458
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Speaker 3: way that I do.

459
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Speaker 1: And then do you instruct people to look at it

460
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Speaker 1: at any specific cadence like once a week when they're

461
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Speaker 1: doing weekly planning or is it more just like it's

462
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Speaker 1: there for when you need it and feel called to

463
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Speaker 1: look at it or add to it. Yeah.

464
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of times when people do it

465
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Speaker 3: the first time, they really do use it as sort

466
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Speaker 3: of a real guide of like, Okay, let me organize

467
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Speaker 3: this so that I have ten things that are priority

468
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Speaker 3: one and I'm very clear on what the next steps are,

469
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Speaker 3: and then when I get through the it's like, okay,

470
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Speaker 3: what are the next ten?

471
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Speaker 1: Right?

472
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Speaker 3: So, usually my clients will use it as a tool,

473
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Speaker 3: maybe for a couple of weeks, until they feel like

474
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Speaker 3: they have clarity, and then they can kind of set

475
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Speaker 3: it aside and then maybe quarterly they'll come back to it.

476
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Speaker 1: Very cool fun aside, one of my friends actually has

477
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Speaker 1: a daily planning method on Google Sheets where she will

478
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Speaker 1: kind of like list out basically kind of keep a

479
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Speaker 1: time record. She has her like top task for the

480
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Speaker 1: day on there, and she even cuts and pastes like

481
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Speaker 1: a photo of the day into her Google Sheets, so

482
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Speaker 1: they become this beautiful life record. So shout out to Kay,

483
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Speaker 1: who is one of my good friends as well. Now,

484
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Speaker 1: but yeah, her method is super cool. I could see

485
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Speaker 1: that meshing super well with yours. It's like you've got

486
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Speaker 1: your long term and then you've got your short term,

487
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Speaker 1: and you could have an all Google Sheets life system

488
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Speaker 1: if you really wanted to.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it sounds like Kay could definitely be

490
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Speaker 3: a kindred spirit of mine.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. All right, Well, we're gonna pivot into

492
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Speaker 1: some common now. We're going to go back a little

493
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Speaker 1: bit out of the like corraling every priority and into

494
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Speaker 1: the like different digital realms that people tend to struggle with,

495
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of themes that come up over

496
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Speaker 1: and over with in twenty twenty four, as this is

497
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Speaker 1: being recorded where people just feel like they have a

498
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Speaker 1: mess and cannot get a handle on things. So let's start. Actually,

499
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Speaker 1: I'm adding one I just thought of as I'm doing this.

500
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Speaker 1: Let's start with kind of like the most perhaps hated

501
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Speaker 1: or obvious of all email. So, how do you help

502
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Speaker 1: your clients that have incredibly unwieldy inboxes? What are your

503
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Speaker 1: philosophies around email? And yeah, I'm super interested in how

504
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Speaker 1: condo what a per email?

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Speaker 3: So the thing that I do first with my clients

506
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Speaker 3: is help them divide their email into better buckets. So

507
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Speaker 3: about sixty percent of people use Gmail, so most of

508
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Speaker 3: the clients that I'm seeing are using Gmail. And Gmail

509
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Speaker 3: has this really cool feature called price already inbox. So

510
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: instead of when you log into your email you see

511
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Speaker 3: this huge blob of emails that it's really not clear,

512
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Speaker 3: like what's important, what needs attention, it will divide it

513
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: into four categories, which is sort of It starts with

514
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Speaker 3: the important and unread, and then you can have starred,

515
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: then you can add your own little section which I

516
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: always have people add action needed, and then it has

517
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Speaker 3: the everything else. And I help people understand sort of

518
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Speaker 3: how Google works, that Google is basically, Gmail and mail

519
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: in general is kind of this assistant that you've just

520
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Speaker 3: hired and you're trying to train them on how you

521
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Speaker 3: want them to handle your mail. So a lot of

522
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: people don't even understand, like, oh, that little flag there

523
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: that means that Google thinks that this is important. But

524
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Speaker 3: if I click that, then I'm training it to tell

525
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Speaker 3: to know that that email isn't important. Right, So we

526
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Speaker 3: go in and we just sort of understand the basics

527
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Speaker 3: of like, let's actually look at your email in a

528
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Speaker 3: totally different way. Let's do a little bit of training

529
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Speaker 3: and tell Google this is important, this isn't important. Let's

530
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Speaker 3: create an action needed section, Let's create an online order section.

531
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Speaker 3: Let me teach you how to drag and drop, And

532
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: we just kind of learned those basics, and then usually

533
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 3: at that point they're like they actually will say to

534
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Speaker 3: me like this is fun, this is really cool, you know,

535
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Speaker 3: and they start getting their labels colored and all of

536
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and then usually I'll just instruct

537
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Speaker 3: them to kind of bite size it. One of the

538
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Speaker 3: fun things that you can do is you can search.

539
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Speaker 3: I learned this tip from Laura may Martin, who is

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Speaker 3: Google's in house productivity expert who just.

541
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Speaker 1: Wrote a book and former best of both World's Guests

542
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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I forgot about that. I think that

544
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Speaker 3: might have even been why I reached out. And she

545
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Speaker 3: wrote a book name called up Time, and she has

546
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Speaker 3: a little tip of searching in the search bar the

547
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: word unsubscribe, and then that will actually show you all

548
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Speaker 3: of these newsletters that you can unsubscribe from, and you

549
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: can mass delete and mass unsubscribe and all of that stuff.

550
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: So usually with emails, that's where we start. Like I

551
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: kind of say to my clients, is almost like clean

552
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Speaker 3: before you cook. Like if you're going to cook a

553
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: big meal and the kitchen is a mess, don't go

554
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: in and just start cooking. You clean the kitchen up.

555
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: So let's get your email kind of cleaned and organized,

556
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna start cooking.

557
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Speaker 1: And inbox zero yay or nay.

558
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't feel particularly passionate about in box zero. Interesting,

559
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Speaker 3: I'm usually at like inbox thirty.

560
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: Okay, it's like one screen kind of a situation, correct, right,

561
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I get that.

562
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Speaker 3: I think some people are you an inbox zero person?

563
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Speaker 1: I am, I mean, I don't live at inbox zero daily.

564
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Speaker 1: I probably live more. Actually I live anywhere from inbox

565
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Speaker 1: zero to inbox like four hundred, and I do like

566
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Speaker 1: massive cleanouts. The reason I like to periodically get from

567
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Speaker 1: thirty to zero is it tends to be once I'm

568
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: at that thirty piece, I'm just procrastinating those things and

569
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Speaker 1: if I just bulldoze through it, I can deal with it,

570
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: and I probably should once it's been sitting there for weeks.

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Speaker 1: So I do. I love my inbox zero.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be very satisfying. I use an email

573
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: tool called Superhuman, and when you get to inbox zero,

574
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: it shows a beautiful image, so it's very satisfying.

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00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I love that. All Right, we're going to take another

576
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: quick break and then we're going to go into the

577
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: next digital behemoth that everyone complains about or talks about.

578
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: All Right, we are back. We have tackled email, and

579
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Speaker 1: now I'm going to guess that you hear a little

580
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Speaker 1: bit about people's photo collections, am I right?

581
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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, it's funny because I know you're a physician,

582
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: so I'm sure when you're out in the world people

583
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: are like, hey, can you look at this rash? Or

584
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: like my shoulder is hurting. In my case, the people

585
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: will be like can you look at my phone? And

586
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: he help me figure out and photos is usually a

587
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: lot of the cases with that, and again it's just

588
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: people just not understanding where do these live and what

589
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: is the cloud? And are they being backed up? And

590
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: are am I own photos? So usually it's just trying

591
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Speaker 3: to get to an underst standing of helping people understand

592
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: the basics. So for example, if you have all Mac stuff,

593
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: knowing that your photo library on your Mac should match

594
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: your photo library on your phone, and then we can

595
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: work with them to declutter if you have two different

596
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: like mismat if you have an iPhone and a PC,

597
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: those are kind of mismatched, so like how are we

598
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Speaker 3: going to be saving things every backing up on Google Photos?

599
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Helping people learn that you can use the smart tools

600
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: that exist in these things like facial recognition. So many

601
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: people don't know that you can actually find like pictures

602
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: of your dog that way, or pictures of your vacation

603
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: in Spain based on the date that you were there

604
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Speaker 3: and things like that. So teaching them kind of the

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Speaker 3: one oh one and then also helping them have a

606
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: bite sized goal to work towards so some people will say, like,

607
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: I want to organize my photos, which is a really

608
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: big task, but like, what if you just make a

609
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: photo album of your trip to Paris this year? Right,

610
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: and there you get the opportunity declutter and find favorite

611
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: photos and move things into folders and you kind of

612
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: get in the groove and in the momentum of it,

613
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: and then you can move forward and be like, oh, okay,

614
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: well how about a photo album of last summer? And

615
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: my favorite tool for photo albums that is so it's

616
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Speaker 3: like the Southwest Airlines of photo albums in the sense

617
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Speaker 3: that it's so easy as chat books. I'm sure you've

618
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: heard of them, Like they you don't have to do

619
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Speaker 3: the landscape and the portrait and the captions and the formats.

620
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Speaker 3: It's just one photo per page, delivered to your mailbox

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Speaker 3: and it's so easy.

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Speaker 1: I like that. So maybe like instead of saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: I have to have every photo corral, you're like, I

624
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 1: do a seasonal chat book every season and I call

625
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Speaker 1: it a day. I think with photos, people get very

626
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: in the weeds about like perfectionism that I don't know,

627
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but I think AI will be able

628
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Speaker 1: to clean things up. So nicely at some yes, very

629
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Speaker 1: soon point that our efforts like, oh that one's blurry,

630
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: let me delete it, Like that's just misplaced effort when

631
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Speaker 1: you have like fifty pictures or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Right, my favorite app is called the cleaner Kit app,

633
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: and it's really cool because it will delete your duplicates.

634
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: It will delete screenshots, but it also will if you

635
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: took fifty pictures of your best friend in front of

636
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: a tree, it will be like, this is the best one.

637
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: Do you want to delete the rest? And that's exactly like,

638
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: let Ai do the work for you.

639
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: That is amazing. Cleaner Kit. So does that work with

640
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Speaker 1: iPhone or it just works on your phone?

641
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: I believe it works with all phones. I could be

642
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: wrong because I am an iPhone user. I and most

643
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: of my clients are iPhone users as well, but I think.

644
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Speaker 1: So that sounds awesome, very cool. Do you have a

645
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: preferred digital storage place that you recommend for people or

646
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: do you kind of consider them all created equal, like

647
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Amazon versus Google versus Apple, et cetera.

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to choose tools that are a little

649
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: bit more agnostic to the actual sort of software company,

650
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: because everybody has their own things, so I Cloud wants

651
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: to sell you their drive. Microsoft wants to sell you

652
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: their drive. Google wants to sell.

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Speaker 1: You their drive.

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Speaker 3: Right, I like to use something that's like Dropbox that's

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Speaker 3: a little bit more agnostic, so that if tomorrow I

656
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Speaker 3: decide I don't want to have a Mac anymore, I

657
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Speaker 3: want to have a PC, it's a lot easier to

658
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Speaker 3: transition between those things, especially if you have mismatched software.

659
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Speaker 3: So if you have like a PC and an iPhone,

660
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Speaker 3: then you're going to want to have something like Dropbox

661
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Speaker 3: because iCloud drive is going to be really clunky to use.

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Speaker 1: On your computer.

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Speaker 3: So I usually try to meet people where they are

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Speaker 3: based on the software that they have. You know, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to be like, oh, this seems to be

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Speaker 3: working fine for you, but let's move you all the

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Speaker 3: way over to Dropbox. But a lot of times they're

668
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Speaker 3: getting frustrated and experiencing a lot of friction because they

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Speaker 3: have mismatched companies that they're trying to make friends, and

670
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Speaker 3: those companies don't want to be friends. They're competing with

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Speaker 3: each other.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting, I like that awesome, Well that's photos. I

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Speaker 1: feel like maybe we've made a few people feel better

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Speaker 1: and I'd say that name of that Apple one more

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Speaker 1: time cleaner kit app, cleaner kit app. That sounds like

676
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Speaker 1: very useful information.

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Speaker 3: And I can send you a link for your show

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Speaker 3: notes to.

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Speaker 1: Loll Yes, definitely, Okay. The next thing I have on

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Speaker 1: here is notifications, And this I think is interesting because

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Speaker 1: this isn't just like data and it's not just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: our screen doesn't look pretty, but this is like fragmentation

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Speaker 1: of our time and attention. But it's also coming from

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Speaker 1: the digital realm, and I think it's also so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guilty of this myself. Like, if something

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Speaker 1: is defaulted to notify me, how many times do I

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Speaker 1: have to be annoyed by said thing before I'm like

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Speaker 1: turn that off? You know how to do that? Like

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Speaker 1: I'm not eighty years old. Well, and that's not even fair.

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Speaker 1: Many eighty year olds are probably very good at managing

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Speaker 1: their iPhone settings. But like, I can do this, but

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Speaker 1: yet I don't. So how do you help your clients

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Speaker 1: with notifications and maybe turning their phone into a less

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Speaker 1: intrusive device if that's something they desire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like a matter of just sitting down

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Speaker 3: in the moment and doing it. Or when you get

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Speaker 3: that notific being like, ugh, I don't want to hear

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Speaker 3: from law and Taylor Loft, you know anymore. And then

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Speaker 3: just clicking and you realize that you can actually press

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Speaker 3: and hold click options and click turn off. You don't

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Speaker 3: even have to go into the notifications. You can just

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Speaker 3: tell it right then, I don't want to perceive notifications

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Speaker 3: at all ever from these people, right, so you can

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Speaker 3: turn that off there. But that's some of the things

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Speaker 3: that we recommend that people do. We have the Get

706
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Speaker 3: It Done Club that meets three times a week, and

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Speaker 3: we give them a list of like, here's some of

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Speaker 3: the things that you could do during this and one

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Speaker 3: of them is change your notifications. I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of clients who while I'm talking to them, they'll look

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Speaker 3: at other Apple Watch like every three seconds because it's

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Speaker 3: like New York Times, CNN, AT and T like the

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Speaker 3: fragmented attention is insane, right, and they're like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: watch is driving me crazy, not realizing. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of times I'll be like, let's go into your notifications

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Speaker 3: right now and turn it off. I'm one of those

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Speaker 3: like now or never type of people, like let's just

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Speaker 3: get it, and they're like, oh wow, and just turn

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Speaker 3: on your watch so that it's literally nothing but like

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Speaker 3: phone and text or just phone.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about the specific things you want to

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Speaker 1: know about, and then you can also make use of

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Speaker 1: those focus modes so that like maybe during work hours,

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Speaker 1: like you don't even get your texts or whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that you need to regulate. I'm all about the

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Speaker 1: do not disturb during podcast recording sessions or else. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how I could focus.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know I've got that on right now, but.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about the press and hold. So that's

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Speaker 1: huge because I always just go to settings notifications and

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Speaker 1: like toggle it off. So that's super cool. So when

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Speaker 1: an actual notification pops up, you can press and hold

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Speaker 1: it and you'll get the options to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's either a press and hold or it is

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Speaker 3: a like swipe. Actually it's a swipe. It's a swipe left.

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Speaker 3: So I just got this text from Sunnyside, so I

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Speaker 3: swipe left, I click options, and I get the choice

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Speaker 3: of turn off all messages notifications for this particular message.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Does that work for app notifications as well or

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Speaker 1: just text messages?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it should. Let's see, this

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Speaker 3: is an app notification. Yes, options, I guess it's it

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Speaker 3: got the same thing.

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Speaker 1: That's huge. Okay, so hopefully everyone's listening. An even easier

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Speaker 1: way to when your phone annoys you to nip it

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Speaker 1: in the butt right then and there, all right. The

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Speaker 1: last realm we're going to talk about is calendars, because

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Speaker 1: digital calendars are so useful and yet they don't always

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Speaker 1: play nicely with each other. And I will admit I'm

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Speaker 1: like a very weird person and my rule my life

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Speaker 1: calendar is actually paper because I find it easier to

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Speaker 1: integrate all the various digital calendars that feed into me,

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Speaker 1: and I've like given up on like having one digital

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Speaker 1: place and instead I'm like, well, if it's in my

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Speaker 1: actual paper one, then I've acknowledged it's real. But I

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Speaker 1: am weird. So for those who prefer digital for their

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Speaker 1: kind of master calendar but might be dealing with like

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Speaker 1: the soccer calendar and the school calendar, and one's on

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Speaker 1: Outlook and one's on Gmail and whatever, how do you

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Speaker 1: help people clean this up? I find this very challenging.

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Speaker 3: It is challenging, and usually I just have people kind

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Speaker 3: of go all in on one place, so I check

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Speaker 3: everything on my Google calendar, and so I have my

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Speaker 3: personal email, I have my work email, and they all

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Speaker 3: feed into so that I can actually see my personal

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Speaker 3: and my work calendar kind of overlaid on top of

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Speaker 3: each other. And then I subscribe to the cheerleading calendar

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Speaker 3: and the school calendar, and I have all of those

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Speaker 3: pulled in as well, so that I can see all

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Speaker 3: of them at one place, and I can toggle on

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Speaker 3: and off if I want to. But I have a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who will like be in their Apple

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Speaker 3: calendar and then add something there and then be confused

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Speaker 3: about why it's not going over to the Google calendar

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Speaker 3: because they added it under their Apple iCloud. So a

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Speaker 3: lot of times it's just like a basic understanding of

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Speaker 3: like where does this event live, where is it coming from,

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Speaker 3: and how can I get this one calendar place all

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Speaker 3: set up so that I am truly seeing everything. And

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Speaker 3: so that's a lot of the heart of a lot

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Speaker 3: of the issues that I deal with my clients is

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Speaker 3: just not like a clear understanding of concepts that are

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Speaker 3: fundamental to making these things work, like the difference between

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Speaker 3: the leading or archiving, or what is the iCloud and

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Speaker 3: what you know, all that kind of stuff. So usually

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Speaker 3: it's just them sharing their screen and me digging in

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Speaker 3: and figuring out, Okay, where is all this stuff and

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Speaker 3: how can we get it all in one place.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, it's true, and it can become super

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Speaker 1: confusing because if you've got these old legacy calendars and

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Speaker 1: let's say one is syncing with iye caount, but like

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Speaker 1: your Google is pulling in your eye clouds, so you

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Speaker 1: think that the Google has that calendar directly, but it's

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Speaker 1: actually like indirect and then you end up with like

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Speaker 1: duplicates and anyway, I can see why sometimes you probably

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Speaker 1: need to drill down and actually look at it. But

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Speaker 1: this also seems like a solvable problem. Like if you

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Speaker 1: actually sit down and you're like, Google calendar is my

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Speaker 1: main thing, and how do I need to get all

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Speaker 1: my things into that probably doable with the exception of

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Speaker 1: I know, some corporate calendars don't sink because of privacy issues, right,

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Speaker 1: So that.

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Speaker 3: May be a case where you kind of have to

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Speaker 3: have your personal calendar that has everything going on, and

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Speaker 3: then you have your corporate calendar. But a lot of

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Speaker 3: times there is like an export import that needs to

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Speaker 3: take place. I had a client that was sort of

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Speaker 3: accidentally putting a lot of stuff on her Apple calendar,

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Speaker 3: so we just did an export, imported that all over

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Speaker 3: to Google Calendar, and then she was forbidden to ever

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Speaker 3: put anything on her Apple calendar again.

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Speaker 1: You know that everything else stayed in the same place,

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Speaker 1: so beware. I guess we're saying, or you're saying, amazing, Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been super useful. I think there's been some

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Speaker 1: nuggets of gold in this conversation in terms of ways

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Speaker 1: to make things easier that really don't take that much time.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Before we get to our

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Speaker 1: Love of the week, where can listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: So they can find me at Indigo Organizing dot com.

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Speaker 3: And they can find me also on my podcast website

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Speaker 3: at goodenoughish dot com.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. All right, Love of the Week, I will go

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Speaker 1: first to let you like process your thoughts because I

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Speaker 1: had my planned. I think one of my my favorite

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Speaker 1: digital uses is just group texts, Like I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I would have stayed in touch, and I don't

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Speaker 1: do social media, so group texts to me are like curated,

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Speaker 1: like these are the people I actually want to have

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Speaker 1: these conversations with and I have different ones for like

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Speaker 1: different realms of life, Like I've got like my college

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Speaker 1: friends and my running friends and my like trying to

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Speaker 1: get pregnant in twenty twelve friends, and like my family

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Speaker 1: and whatever. And I realize how much joy it brings

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Speaker 1: me to be able to share different things in different

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Speaker 1: contexts and kind of be able to keep up with

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Speaker 1: these threads of people in that way. It works really

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Speaker 1: really well for me. So super simple. But that's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite uses of modern technology. Oh, I love that.

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Speaker 3: I was just fortunate to do a wellness retreat in

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Speaker 3: MAYORCA a couple of months ago, and I met twenty

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Speaker 3: two amazing women and we're now on a WhatsApp group

843
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Speaker 3: chat together and we just had a zoom reunion yesterday

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Speaker 3: because we were able to coordinate it on this chat.

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Speaker 3: And it's like sparking so much joy, it's amazing love.

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Speaker 1: That is that your love of the week or do

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Speaker 1: you have another one?

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Speaker 3: I have another one. So my love of the week

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Speaker 3: is the Apple Reminders app, specifically the shopping list function.

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Speaker 1: I use this all day long.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have my Apple Watch, or even if

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Speaker 3: you don't have an Apple Watch, you have your phone.

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Speaker 3: You can just say to Siri, like, hey, Siri, add

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Speaker 3: milk to the shopping list, and it will add milk

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Speaker 3: to the shopping list. Not only to the shopping list,

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Speaker 3: but it'll actually categorize it under dairy. And so you

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Speaker 3: can say, add bread to the shopping list and it'll

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Speaker 3: categorize it underbreads. And then that list is shared with

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Speaker 3: my husband, so when he goes to the store, if

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Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to make a list yet,

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Speaker 3: usually everything that we need is already on that list.

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Speaker 3: So my love of the week is my reminder's shopping list.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and so easy to just add the minute you

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Speaker 1: see something's used up, so I can see how incredibly

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Speaker 1: useful that would be. Yes, Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming on, Amanda. This has been so much fun

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Speaker 1: and I am like excited to put some of this

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Speaker 1: stuff into play myself. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: I was so great talking with you. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 1: Well we are back.

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Speaker 2: Sarah did a great interview there with Amanda Jefferson about

873
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: digital decluttering, how we can get control of the digital

874
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: clutter in our lives. Lots of useful tips and tricks there.

875
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Speaker 2: So this week's question, this listener writes in. I wonder whether,

876
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: while keeping your own children's information private, you guys could

877
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: talk about general approaches to helping kids with learning disabilities,

878
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: finding tutors, deciding whether and when to switch schools, helping

879
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: your child with dealing like they are feeling like they

880
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: are stupid or behind. Also, how do you deal with

881
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: feelings about this as a parent. This person is an

882
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: English professor, and so, to be truthful, it's been a

883
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: little bit surprising, and she says a bit of a

884
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Speaker 2: hit to her ego to have a kid struggling with

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Speaker 2: learning to read. So, Sarah, what was your response with

886
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: that one? That's super interesting about the early reader thing.

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00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I think I might have expected my kids to read

888
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: on the early side, because lore has it that I

889
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: did and my husband did. But Nope, most of them

890
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: have not, and at least one of them has needed

891
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: some very formal extra assistance learning to read. I have

892
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: one child with ADHD, and I will say as when

893
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: I read this every single time that I have sought

894
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: some sort of professional help, I was like, so glad

895
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Speaker 2: I did that.

896
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Speaker 1: I could have done it even sooner. And I do

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00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: feel like, yes, there are times that you want to

898
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: let kids struggle and I really don't want to be

899
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: like a snowplow parent to make you know, oh, my

900
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: kid has to win every single thing and come out

901
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: on top every time and make everything easy. But you

902
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: have to figure out where that line is and when

903
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: it starts to be crossed, to figure out when they

904
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: would benefit from extra help. And then one thing that

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00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: helps me is to remember, well, why do all these

906
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: professions exist because lots of people need them, because it's

907
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: really really common to need extra support in various things.

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Speaker 1: So in honor of this question, I came up with

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Speaker 1: a list of various services I've used with kids in

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00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: the past. And I'm actually surprised at how long it is,

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00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: but I'm going to read it. So we have done

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00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: private psycho educational testing. We have hired a psychiatrist, we

913
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: have worked with a reading specialist. We've had a behavioral

914
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: tutor at work with one kid, I reading tutor, a psychologist,

915
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: a speech therapist. Well that's actually newer, but that's okay,

916
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: still on the list. And then I have switched to school.

917
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Speaker 1: So that is a lot. And by the way, don't

918
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: try to guess which kids which you might even be wrong,

919
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: you probably are wrong. So keeping that part private, I've

920
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: used a lot of resources and I have yet to

921
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: regret a single one of these interventions. So I feel

922
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: like if your gut is telling you that your kid

923
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: needs more support in an area, than you should go

924
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: for it and be happy that they are available. Now,

925
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: I say this from a place of privilege, and I

926
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: know that a lot of these took throwing significant money

927
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: at the problem, and not everybody is able to do that,

928
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: and that is terrible. I will say for my job,

929
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: I know that they're a lot of times. You can

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00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: get a lot of these resources in a low cost

931
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: manner if you qualify for them. It just takes longer

932
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: and perhaps more legwork, which again is a shame because

933
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: some of the people that need it are going to

934
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: be less equipped to find it. But the school system

935
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: does have a lot of this kind of stuff, from

936
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Speaker 1: testing to extra tutoring, and they in general are kind

937
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: of obligated to meet various needs of kids. So if

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Speaker 1: this is not something you're able to attack from a

939
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: private standpoint, then there are still probably a lot of

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00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: resources to investigate. And I'll say that I do think

941
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: pre kids me would be surprised to hear this list

942
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: would she even judge post kiss me for this list.

943
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but you know what, she'd probably

944
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: be surprised about a lot. So there we have it.

945
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, you know, we've definitely used tutoring

946
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: as well, and there's lots of places you can find

947
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: tutors these days. You can use them online, especially if

948
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: you're talking about I mean, I think this is a

949
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: younger child, so that may be less of a good

950
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: option for there, but as your kids get into middle

951
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: school and high school, you could avail yourself of the

952
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: world of online tutors. So we have definitely used online

953
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: tutors for math. We have used them for writing help,

954
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: which is theoretically I'm a professional writer, but sometimes people

955
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: take it better from other experts, not your parents. We've

956
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: done foreign language tutoring, which actually there's a world of

957
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: options there, as you might imagine, I would definitely recommend

958
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: looking into that. You can often find reasonably cost people

959
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: who live in countries where they would speak whatever language

960
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: your kid is studying, So look into that as an option.

961
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: And because more of this is available online these days,

962
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: especially for older kids, the costs in many cases will

963
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: be over a range, and so you can choose the

964
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: range that meets with your budgetary needs, and it might

965
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: be more flexible as well, because obviously, if you are

966
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: driving a kid to a tutor, that takes time out

967
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: of your day and their day that they can't be

968
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: doing something else. But if it is online tutoring, maybe

969
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: it could be a little bit later, and since you

970
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: don't have to drive there, it might be more you know,

971
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: it might fit better with a busy family schedule. But

972
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: we have not regretted trying tutoring in the situations where

973
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 2: we thought it would be helpful.

974
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: So definitely that.

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00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Now the ego part, because Sarah I didn't talk about that,

976
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: but let's address that one, because I mean, I think

977
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: one of the upsides of having lots of kids is

978
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: you very quickly see that they aren't you, like I

979
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: think we might know that all intellectually. It can be

980
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: a little bit harder, perhaps if you only have one

981
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: child to understand that this kid is not an extension

982
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: of you in really any way, shape or form, like

983
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: they are their own person. And because I have five kids,

984
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: I can see the how different all of them are

985
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: from each other and from me and from Michael. And

986
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: maybe there are sometimes little bits that you can pick

987
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: up like, oh, I recognize that little thing from me

988
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: or from a grandparent or whatever else, but it is

989
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: mixed with ninety five percent other.

990
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Stuff that is just all them.

991
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: So given that this is an entirely separate person from you,

992
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: it is not anything to do with you being an

993
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: excellent English professor whether your kid can learn to read,

994
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: because they no doubt have other things that are awesome

995
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: that they can do and reading is maybe a little

996
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: bit more challenging for them. But maybe they can do

997
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: something that would have been harder for you. So maybe

998
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: just think about, like remind yourself of what your kid

999
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: does really well, Like you are a straight A student

1000
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: and your kid gets mostly be's well, oh well, but

1001
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: maybe he's really awesome at soccer, has a very close

1002
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: group of friends that he's managing those relationships really well,

1003
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: like very social. Maybe he reaches out to other kids,

1004
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: like he's always the one who finds that kid on

1005
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: the playground who needs someone to play with. Maybe he's

1006
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: incredibly polite to the older people in your neighborhood, Like

1007
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 2: there's something that your kid does awesome and that would

1008
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: be great to focus your whatever parenting, like need to

1009
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: feel like your kid is great on that and then

1010
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: just really not talk about the other part quite as much.

1011
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, get in the intervention if you can, but

1012
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 2: there's really no point in harping on I got a's

1013
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: why are you getting bs? I mean, that would just

1014
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: be awful to even like have that in your brain.

1015
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: Most of the time, like focus your ego on what

1016
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: you are doing and on the fact that you have

1017
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: an awesome relationship with your son, who is a different

1018
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: person from you.

1019
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: I guess if that makes sense. Yes, And for every

1020
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: perceived deficit that is different from what yours are, they

1021
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: may have a perceived talent that's different from what yours are.

1022
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: And that's kind of part of the fun of seeing

1023
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: how they turn out and like being ready for and

1024
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: appreciating those differences. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, this has been best of both worlds.

1026
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Speaker 2: Sarah has been talking with Amanda Jefferson about digital decluttering.

1027
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Speaker 2: We will be back next week with more on making

1028
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Speaker 2: work and life fit together.

1029
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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

1030
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Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

1031
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

1033
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life

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Speaker 2: work together.