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Speaker 2: And when they're coming off the field, I took a

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Speaker 2: picture of Kirk Cousins and my youngest sons, a Packer

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Speaker 2: fan of Texas Field, and I said, hey's the best

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Speaker 3: Right here. The JJ effect is real. I'll post it

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Speaker 3: a picture of just him building questions from yeah a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've been here every day OTA so like

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Speaker 3: we've seen Ricky Minniicamp. But when JJ arribbed at practice

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, the entire building just lit up.

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Speaker 1: This is the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. I'm Tatum Everett. We've

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Speaker 1: got Gabe Henderson inside TCO Studios. We'll have a guest

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Speaker 1: later on in this one. Someone who you might know.

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Speaker 1: He's been around the NFL time or two. A twenty

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Speaker 1: five year plus media member Mike Sando from the Athletic

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Speaker 1: He's making his realm.

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Speaker 3: I love his last name, like right, like Virginia avam

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Speaker 3: Rounse of like Virginia Tech. The entrance they have the

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Speaker 3: under Sam Man.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Yeah, yeah, man literally from the other coast,

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Speaker 1: right right, So yeah, he joins us later, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's nice to us here. I think someone

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Speaker 1: who covers the NFL on a larger scale talk about

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Speaker 1: perceptions of like the Vikings. So we get so on

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Speaker 3: This is like I mean, we we work so close,

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, hearing it from another perspective,

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Speaker 3: I know he has his podcast that basically General GM,

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Speaker 3: yeah Football.

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Speaker 1: GM or GM podcast does it with a Randy Mueller

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Speaker 3: And and it's so high level that you definitely appreciate

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Speaker 3: those opinions because, like you said, you kind of get

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Speaker 1: So well, I got this, I got this tidbit be

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Speaker 1: But apparently he works on these large research projects and

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Speaker 1: really jazzed. Yeah, to talk to Quasi and apparently they

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Speaker 1: If you know about it, and we didn't ask him

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Speaker 3: Right, So, but I mean the fact that he has

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Speaker 3: and he only makes our podcast better just providing some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll have that conversation in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, I do want to go

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Speaker 3: The JJ effect is real. I'll posted a picture of

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Speaker 3: He answered questions and just just his energy is what

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is it wasn't Jersey day. The

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Speaker 1: Right, as Kirk said, there were a lot of Alan

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Speaker 3: was so good to see in Kirk. This I've never

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Speaker 3: He's like doing Spirit Week. He's flying his offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have an update for you on that.

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Speaker 3: Yea. Yeah. For for him to sake a private plane

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Speaker 3: I respect it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw something and you alluded to that.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Mike that Kirk is polarizing people you know,

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Speaker 3: I just think people would want to keep Kirk where

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't think he didn't. I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was going to end up there.

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Speaker 3: Right, He was just probably probably trying to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to see that. As Gabe mentioned,

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Speaker 1: it's July twelfth on Netflix. If you are currently in

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Speaker 1: this one. I'm just kidding. My mom call the other

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Speaker 1: We'll do another podcast on that. I'm just kidding Aboutflix. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what our cornerback position could look like. Yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there have been several guys on Jaquelin Roy getting

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Speaker 2: happened last June. That was a big thing for the season.

436
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 2: You know, So if a player misses a certain day

437
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 2: or a guy has a great day not wearing pads,

438
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 2: I've learned to take it with a total grain of salt.

439
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. It's funny. Well, first of all, total

440
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: side note, but John Clayton is one of my all

441
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: time favorites. Yeah, and one hundred percent the best sports

442
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: center commercial I have ever like, he's number one in

443
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 1: my book when it comes to the rankings of those commercials.

444
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 2: John was a mentor of mine. You should you could

445
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: google John Clayton, Mike Sando, the Athletic. I did a

446
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: tribute to John when he passed that. I spent a

447
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: lot of time with John over the years. We both

448
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: live in the Seattle area, So there's there's a few

449
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: Clayton stories in there that.

450
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Speaker 1: People will enjoine, Okay, good, good, No. I love hearing those,

451
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: and I, like I said, huge amount of respect for

452
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: that guy. But going back to kind of reading reading

453
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: into things when you when you met with Kevin O'Connell

454
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: or got to know him, I guess when he was

455
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: with the Rams, could you get a sense that this

456
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: guy was going to be a head coach one day? Like,

457
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: could you see that being his trajectory? And now after

458
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: talking to him today, what's the sense you give him

459
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 1: now that he's like had a year under his belt.

460
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he's every They're more comfortable after the year.

461
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: They know how things went, just the logistics of game

462
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: day and how we want to do things and how

463
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: we want to be prepared. And I think for sure

464
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: that you know, I think you could always see Kevin

465
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: was bright, you know, and he was associated with Sean.

466
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: Basically you got a good shot right there, right, I

467
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: mean that seems to be you know, a magic touch

468
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: for him, So yeah, I think you could certainly see

469
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: he was capable. But there's thirty two of these jobs.

470
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: You don't know who's going to get it win. There's

471
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: lots of good coaches that don't get that opportunity. So

472
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: good for him and a great first season, there's belt.

473
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Speaker 3: I think with that first season, you we kind of

474
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: have the idea that Kevin was going to figure out

475
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball. You have all those

476
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: weapons on the offensive side of the ball, you got

477
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 3: to be a top ten offense. But you look at

478
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball and you know, we

479
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 3: the Vikings just couldn't figure it out. And as a

480
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: head coach, you can ask Kevinnesssi. The toughest part is

481
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: is firing someone because it's like, man, that you were

482
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: my first staff are you one of my first picks?

483
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: But a thing that you wrote, you wrote an article

484
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: about a month ago. I think it's called the move

485
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: from each NFL team's offseason that I liked the most. Yeah,

486
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: Brian Flores, was the one thing about the Vikings that

487
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: you like the most.

488
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: Why I did, because I think it's really easy to

489
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: fire somebody when things don't go well. But that's not

490
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 2: the solution. You know, the people that get fired are

491
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: usually pretty good. Yeah, that's why you hired them. So

492
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: I think like there were a few situations this year

493
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 2: where teams fired defensive coordinators. They hired Vic Fangio in Miami,

494
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: they hired Jim Schwartz in Cleveland, they hired Brian Flores

495
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Well, those are three really proven, established people.

496
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: So I think the firing's easy part. You have to

497
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: hire somebody who knows what they're doing. And so I

498
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: think that that set out to me as we weren't

499
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: just moving on to move on. We got somebody who

500
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, has who's proven. Now with that, you know,

501
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: there are challenges to transition to in a different style

502
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: of defense and how that fits with your personnel. And

503
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: we've seen the personnel change quite a bit. So we

504
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: saw it change a lot when when Brian was in

505
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Miami too, So we're early in that process. I mean,

506
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: this is going to be an evaluation year probably for

507
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people to see how they fit and

508
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: what he wants.

509
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: And looking at the NFC North, where do you see

510
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: the vikings maybe playing out this year? You know, are

511
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: they able to defend? I know, it's a lot of

512
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: different things going on in the NFC North. Then from

513
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: last season, I do.

514
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: Think they they're right in the mix and have a

515
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: chance to do it. When you look at that division,

516
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Detroit is being annoying to it

517
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I understand the momentum you know

518
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: that they had late last season, but they have to

519
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: kind of deal with some success too, right, And and

520
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: they didn't make the playoffs, so we'll see where they're at.

521
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: They have their own questions on defense. Uh, certainly Green

522
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: Bay has has a good amount of talent, but there's

523
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: a different quarterback, So I think that, And then you

524
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: could say the same thing. Chicago's roster is incomplete and

525
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: there's big question marks on justin fields and just how

526
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: good he's going to be for the long term. So

527
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: the one thing, you know is funny. Out of practice today,

528
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: I took a when they were coming off the field,

529
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: I took a picture of Kirk Cousins and my youngest sons,

530
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: a Packer fan. I texted to him, I said, hey,

531
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: he's the best quarterback in the North, right, Yeah, he

532
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: said yeah. His His reply was great, he's you know,

533
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: he's got a pretty good sense to hit very prestigious

534
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: title these days.

535
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: Wow, I've heard really good things about the Netflix documentary Quarterback.

536
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: Apparently this is up hearing that if I mean, because

537
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: a lot of people say Kirk is a polarizing figure.

538
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: But at the same time they say, and I'm not

539
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: saying you don't like Kirk, but people were saying, you know,

540
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: if someone out there dislikes Kirk, you're going to love

541
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: him after watching this documentary.

542
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: Real.

543
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I've been hearing.

544
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: Interesting and stole the show. And I think, you know,

545
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: look GoF had GoF looked pretty good with that offensive line,

546
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: and they have some weaponry. I think GoF is you

547
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: know in the discussion too for in the division. But

548
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, the Vikings are just had an interesting point

549
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: because a little bit like last year where you have

550
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: these new people in and obviously they would like to

551
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: everyone who comes in would like to start fresh and

552
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: build a team, but you inherit a team and you

553
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: have a chance to compete, and so how do you

554
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: balance that right? And then you had this amazing record,

555
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: was better than anyone expected, and of course they couldn't

556
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: turn around with people saying, well, yeah, they one all

557
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 2: the close games that was a misleading. So I think

558
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: there's a wide range of possibilities for this team. If

559
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: you thirteen and four has to be the ceiling of

560
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: what any almost any team unless you're Kansas City sure

561
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: is going to do in almost any year. So I

562
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: think there could be any Like I wouldn't almost be

563
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: surprised by almost any record. Couldn't anything be in play?

564
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: Look what if the defense just wasn't ready and struggled,

565
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: or you know, and then you do almost the same way,

566
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 2: but you lose some of those close games, and now

567
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: you're eight and nine, but you're the same team, right,

568
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: or or the defense comes together is better than expected,

569
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, you're twelve and five.

570
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's in the NFC, especially if

571
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: you just look at like the Super Bowl odds of

572
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: the teams, you very quickly get to teams that people

573
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: aren't talking about as Super Bowl teams.

574
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Speaker 1: You literally took my next question. I was like the

575
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: parody between the NFC and the AFC, Like from your

576
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: vantage point plays into if the Viking want to win, now,

577
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: this is a great chance for them to bring home

578
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: the first Lombardy because of the way that the NFC

579
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: has played out.

580
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but bringing home Lombardi means you have

581
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 2: to beat the Chiefs so you might get to the

582
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I think that's going to be a tall

583
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: task for somebody to take down whoever makes it. But

584
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: you never know, You really do never know. But I

585
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: do think that's where they're at with, you know, trying

586
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: to make the best of both right, try to get

587
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: your team kind of reset in some ways that needed

588
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: to happen. There's some contracts that you inherited that reflect

589
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: past reality or past priorities of other people that were

590
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: in power. But at the same time, no one wants

591
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: to just certainly not be good. So the good thing

592
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: is they have a veteran quarterback who's consistent. You know

593
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: what you're going to get from them. If you can

594
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: protect them with those weapons, they're going to have a

595
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: pretty good year offensively. I think that's the one thing

596
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: you can hang your hat on, right.

597
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it helps bring them back in your entire

598
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: starting five offensive line from last year.

599
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: I heard they got ten of their eleven guys back.

600
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: Is that true? Yep, that's very true, even the backups.

601
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. Yeah, so some continuity there maybe, and it

602
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: may be a little bit of improvement on the interior

603
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: at the guarden position from guys that are coming back.

604
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: You know, it will be interesting. This league teaches you, though,

605
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: don't you know. You just when you think something, when

606
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: you think something, will prove you wrong. I don't make

607
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: too many bold declarations in the off season, other than

608
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: the teams with mahomes and you know they're going to

609
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: be there. But there's a lot of possibilities, especially in

610
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: this division, like almost nothing would surprise you.

611
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: No, no, what. It feels wide open at this point.

612
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: I mean especially you look at Detroit, like everyone says

613
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: the Lions are going to lie in right like that

614
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: they have the probably the most talented roster on paper.

615
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: But I feel like the Vikings lines like every year

616
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: that's a split. What happens from there? Who knows?

617
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lions aren't going to go five and one

618
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: in the division, you know what I mean? I told so, Yeah,

619
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think it's I think we're to

620
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: the point where I feel like this about the off season.

621
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: There's so much analysis in the draft and all this

622
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 2: stuff free agency, we just sort of need to get

623
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: into camp. Yeah, and see it play out, you know,

624
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: and let the let the results speak understood.

625
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: Randy Mueller wrote an article on The Athletic about, uh,

626
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, the trade and everything, and basically how the

627
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: value of running backs I guess over the years have

628
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: went up and then now what's going down. How much

629
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: of that do you believe is because of what the

630
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs did with Isaiah Pacheco and draft and

631
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: the seventh rounder him scoring a touchdown to kind of

632
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: that run that he had, paying a running back less

633
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: to get more.

634
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Chiefs are an exception because of

635
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: their quarterback and head coach. I think they could. Uh,

636
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna pass the ball all the time anyway.

637
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, with with the running back position, the difference

638
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: between somebody who is special and someone who's just good

639
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily make her break your team. And then the

640
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: other component of it is there's an evaluation part of

641
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: the player involved in this too that goes unsaid. So

642
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: when the Viking make this move, they're also making an

643
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: evaluation of Dalvin Cook and where he's at and where

644
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: they think they maybe they would think that he's either

645
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: going to decline or isn't quite what he was. They're

646
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: not going to say that, obviously, but that's part of

647
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: these calculations. Zeke Elliott goes from the Cowboys. They're not

648
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: they're saying we love you, Zeke, but they're also there's

649
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: an evaluation of the player and where he's at in

650
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: this too. So I think if you're a super special back,

651
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: you can be picked in the top ten like Atlanta did.

652
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: They took a guy in the top ten, and he's

653
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: probably going to be the rookie of the year. He's

654
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: probably going to be a star player. But when it

655
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: comes time to do a second contract, if you look

656
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: at the history of the fifth year option, which is

657
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: what teams have to after the third year of the player,

658
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: they have to opt in or out for the fifth year.

659
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: Since twenty eleven they started that, there's a lot of

660
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: running There's only about five running backs who had the

661
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: option picked up, and most of those, you know, you

662
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: may be regretted because they do wear down and they

663
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: do get hurt. And like look at Saquin Berkley, great player,

664
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: they can franchise tag him for ten million and do

665
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: it for twelve million next year. They've got him for

666
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: two years twenty two million. Right, that's a terrible position.

667
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great position I would love to be,

668
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: but for him, a player of his stature, right, he's

669
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: going to age out of his big money. They're happy

670
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: to do that, right, What's he going to do? Hold

671
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: out and miss ten million? Of course not right. So

672
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: I think that's the economics of that position. You can

673
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: get a guy and you're not going to pay on

674
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: the back end of the career because of the injury

675
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: factor and the durability.

676
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, that's understood it, you know, you

677
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: just see I mean, was that two years ago Dalvin

678
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: Cook and Alvin Kamar signed their contracts literally what an

679
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: hour apart from each other, and Dalvin Cook made like

680
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: a one hundred dollars like something crazy. And you look

681
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: at that and say, okay, well how does that? How

682
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: do what does that say about the future of the

683
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: running back position? And everyone was saying, well, the value

684
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: is going to go up. And then now you kind

685
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: of see history repeat itself.

686
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, not only that the franchise value could actually go

687
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: down at that position, drew the tag value to go down,

688
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: and so uh, you know, there's no doubt the league

689
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: has become more of a shotgun passing league. And that's

690
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: in college too. For most teams, you could probably find

691
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: an that a back who's not a lot different than

692
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: your back. There's a handful of guys who are special.

693
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: I think Dalvin Cook has been one of those guys.

694
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: But the question is is it enough to pay what

695
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: he was going to make for the future production? Right?

696
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: And that's where the calculast came in. And also remember

697
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: they've had a coaching change and a and a fern

698
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: office change, and so that their head coach is designing

699
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: the offense and calling the plays, and so they're making

700
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: a calculated decision of Okay, so that's X number of

701
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: million dollars. But you know what, we we have these

702
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: other guys. So if you look at when Dalvin Cook left,

703
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: what was what was one of the first things he said,

704
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: I want to go somewhere and get Mike carries. Well

705
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: that's not what no one wants to get their back

706
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: their carries. Everybody wants to run their offense.

707
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: I think Dalvin had the most carries last year, then

708
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: he had like the previous four.

709
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, go ahead, but he's trying to find that,

710
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: and that's going to be hard to find. Sure, it's

711
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: going to be hard to find somebody who views him

712
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: that way. And it's just a hard reality of the business.

713
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 2: You know, DeAndre Hopkins is out there too, think how

714
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: good he is? Yeah, you know, and these are really.

715
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Good teams that are that need receivers and they're still

716
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: not even really.

717
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Because there's an adjustment period when you get when you're

718
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: being at the top. I guarantee Dalvin Cook and DeAndre

719
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Hopkins justifiably believe they're top five in the league at

720
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: their position. There's no way they don't believe that. So

721
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: how do you then come down and make top twenty money.

722
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: It takes a process of realization after your release until

723
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: it starts to kind of get your mind wrapped around that.

724
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Right, because making even the top twenty money be better

725
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: than sitting at home.

726
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Watching Actualtely, he's not coming to touch, he's retire, But

727
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: it's hard reality. Can you imagine and what lines of

728
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: work do you do really well at your job? In

729
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: age twenty seven? You take you take a fifty percent?

730
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: Take it right?

731
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask him, Yeah, that's stuff.

732
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: That's that's a really good way of putting when you

733
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: think you're good, Yeah, and you know what you've done.

734
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that would be yeah, I would bruise my Yeah.

735
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to have hard. I think it's a

736
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: really hard one.

737
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: Well, and conversely, you've got you see these wide receivers

738
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: getting these monster deals and and that's pretty much on

739
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: the doorstep of Vikings. Justin Jefferson, who is taking the

740
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: league by storm household name. I mean, he's pretty much

741
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: one of the main faces of the NFL. Right now,

742
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: how do you see that playing out? He seems like

743
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: you a really good attitude heading into this and and

744
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: he says his play will speak for itself.

745
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get paid a ton of money.

746
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: I think there's just nothing about him that you wouldn't

747
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: want to pay him. Yeah, right, there's no some of

748
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: the other receivers who got like, okay, so Tyreek Hill

749
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: got thirty million, but there's some baggage around him, and

750
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: he's deeper into his career and he still got thirty

751
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: million dollars.

752
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: Right.

753
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: And then Devanta Adams, I mean probably was, you know,

754
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 2: if maybe the best receiver in the league, and he

755
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: was to get that, But who do you want to

756
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: bet On for the next five years.

757
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: He turns twenty four on Friday.

758
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: Which is crazy by far. It's such inception and I

759
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: can't think of any reason why he wouldn't go to

760
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: the top. It's like, to me, he should go to

761
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: the top of the wide receiver position and you should

762
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: just smile and feel good for him.

763
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, rightfully, so, I mean what he's done

764
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 3: kind of what his trajectory is, and in this league,

765
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: I believe they're I mean, you have to pay for

766
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: his value now, but I can definitely see that being

767
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: renegotiated in the future for a larger contract to keep

768
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: him here in Purple, because just generational talent like that,

769
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: you don't see it often.

770
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just really special, and he is so young.

771
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably going to get better, you know,

772
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: just as like Craftsman.

773
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there, Gabe and I have said this

774
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: plenty of times on the podcast before. There are times

775
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: where we sit back and we're like, we're covering someone

776
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: that we're going to remember for the rest of our

777
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: lives as one of the greatest to ever do it,

778
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: and we get to talk to him. It's one of

779
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: those kind of like humbling moments. Was there a player

780
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: like that for you that you've kind of sat back

781
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: and been like, man, I can't believe I got to

782
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: do that.

783
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

784
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: So early in my career a couple of Hall of famers,

785
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: Steve Hutchinson was one of them. So when I started

786
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: out covering the Seahawks, it was even before Steve Hutcheon

787
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: was there. Randall, Walter j John Rayneld was there. Okay,

788
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: John Raynold finished his career there. Walter Jones was, you know,

789
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: arguably the greatest offensive tackle of ever. I mean, he

790
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: came out of Florida State and I believe it is

791
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Pro day as a tackle, ran like a four six forty.

792
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: You know, He's just different, just completely different. So we knew.

793
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: And then my partner on the beat at the time

794
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: was a guy by name of Dave Bowling who had

795
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: played college offensive line. So he was always scouting the

796
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: offensive line guys for me, and he had his binoculars

797
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: at during the game. I'd sit next to him for

798
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: nine straight years, you know, talking about, oh, you got

799
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: to see this play on Walter. Oh, unbelievable. So I

800
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: think Walter Jones was really the first one for me

801
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: that was truly different, and we would just watch him.

802
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: We just watched him during the game as a tackle,

803
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, and if he ever always remembered if he

804
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: ever got in a play, you just watched the next

805
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: play because the other guy who's going to probably die

806
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: on the pledge.

807
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: That's funny. Well, Mike, thank you so much for joining

808
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: us here on the podcast today. We really appreciate you

809
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: taking the time. We know you're making the round. So

810
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: where where have you been? Where you headed next?

811
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I visited, uh, Kansas City, and visit Arizona, and

812
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to go home to the Seattle area and

813
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: start the off season. So good.

814
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite place that you like to visit?

815
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. You know, there's a couple of ways

816
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: to go on that. For for stadiums, there's there's a

817
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: stadium component of it, which like.

818
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you visit all thirty two yet probably.

819
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: It's interesting with the new ones. I don't know if

820
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: I've done. It's a good question. I'd have to go

821
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: through it. I travel with Monday Night Football every week

822
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: for five years, so I got to all.

823
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: Of them at that point.

824
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: But you know, cities to go to to me, I

825
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: love getting down to La I mean, it's just the

826
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: weather and it's La and the smell in the ocean,

827
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: you know, and there's two teams down there. So that's

828
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: that's a really that's a really nice trip. I think

829
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: I missed San Diego when they were in the mix.

830
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: I thought that that.

831
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: Was really a great place. And for super Bowls too,

832
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: I think for a Super Bowl New Orleans can be

833
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: enjoyable a.

834
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: Little bit New Orleans.

835
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: I do like that. I like that for a Super Bowl.

836
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: So and I kind of like, you know, living in

837
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 2: the Northwest now, like I like getting to Florida too. Yeah,

838
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, just different climates and different areas. Now for

839
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: going to training camps, I love to go to the

840
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Midwest because you can drive to a bunch of them.

841
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: I've done that, you know, Chicago, you can go Green Bay,

842
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: you can go down to Indy and Cleveland, Cincinnati. I

843
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: do love getting on the road. So I don't know

844
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: if I gave you a specific answer, but I love

845
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: getting around, and I love getting around a different way.

846
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: This is a quick in and out type thing, but

847
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: I like to get in the car. I did a

848
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: probably over two thousand mile driving trip last summer.

849
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, for fun or for camps, for trading camps.

850
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: See that sounds like a yeah, did you'velog your journey?

852
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I didn't. You know, sounds like a

853
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: lot of time you're in your head.

854
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but you make phone calls and stuff when

855
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: you're in the car, and I like getting out on

856
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: the road. Nice and you have four or five hour

857
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: drives to the next stop. Get in and do it pas. Yeah,

858
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

859
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: That's so fun. Well, Mike again, thank you so much.

860
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: You can show his work at the Athletic dot com.

861
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: You can also listen to him and fellow podcast host

862
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Randy Mueller on the Athletics Football GM podcast.

863
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: Thank you.

864
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: All right, a big thanks to the Athletics Mike Sando

865
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: for joining us. He is now on his way to Arizona,

866
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. We were just telling him the

867
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: car Cardinals will come back up here soon for joint practices.

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Speaker 1: You know, that felt so far away, not so long ago,

869
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Speaker 1: and it's like a month.

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Speaker 3: Everything is like flying by it right now. It was

871
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: like the draft felt like yesterday. Yes, And the fact

872
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: that we're doing mandatory mini campus is like like this

873
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: season we're going to be in December before we even know.

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Speaker 1: It, before we know it, But uh yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess for me, the next couple of weeks is

876
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: like the time that we use personally and like Viking's

877
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: Entertainment Network, where we are preparing ourselves for the next

878
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: season as well. So the players are doing their thing

879
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: and we do cover that, we're also behind the scenes

880
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: making sure that you guys have a great content plan

881
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: coming up and you get all the access that you

882
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: need and deserve from us as well. So that's what

883
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Speaker 1: we're going to focus on for the next few weeks. Gabe.

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Speaker 1: I know you shared earlier that you have some time off,

885
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Speaker 1: which is very exciting, but uh yeah, I mean for me,

886
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to wrap this thing up. But there really

887
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: isn't too much to talk about except for looking ahead

888
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: to when training camp starts and make sure you nail

889
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: down those dates that you want to be there because

890
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Speaker 1: it's going to be two joint practices. It's gonna be

891
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: You can head one over to Vikings dot com to

893
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: get your training camp tickets. I mean, those things are

894
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: going to be sold out quick simply because we have

895
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: two joint practices. This year. So it's the most exciting

896
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Speaker 3: time of the year. But I know, just from being

897
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: in this build, like yourself, when you get this break,

898
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: you cherish this moment because it's just like, Okay, this

899
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Speaker 3: is our last break for the next six months. So

900
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Speaker 3: this is this is going to be a fun and

901
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Speaker 3: exciting year and hopefully, you know, a lot of things

902
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Speaker 3: can get ironed out between now and then. I know

903
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Speaker 3: players are going to have a much needed vacation. We

904
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: were supposed to have a guest on this show, and

905
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Speaker 3: he took the veteran route and took his vacation early,

906
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 3: so rightfully. So I mean, he's done.

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Speaker 1: He deserves it, he deserves We're not gonna we're not

908
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: naming names here.

909
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you were going to say it.

910
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not gonna say it. We're not gonna

911
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: name names here. We'll get him on very soon, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Always a really good friend of ours. Front of the pod,

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Speaker 1: front of Vikings Entertainment Network, so you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him. It is that time of year

915
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Speaker 1: where they just to get to be normal for a

916
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Speaker 1: hot second before it all begins.

917
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Speaker 3: But this was fun.

918
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was fun. Anything anything that Vikings fan should

919
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: be looking out firm for you for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a couple more Viking circles coming out nice.

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Speaker 3: T J. Hockinson is coming out soon, and then we

923
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Speaker 3: have a chopping up with the coaches coming out soon.

924
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: So just giving you guys a little bit of content

925
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 3: off the field before we get back on the field,

926
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Speaker 3: So something to hold us over. I know there's a

927
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Speaker 3: lot of content. I mean, that's just two things I

928
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: just stayed. But there's a lot of content coming from

929
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Speaker 3: a lot of people, including yourself, from this silence to

930
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: v and crew. So just just stay tuned to Vikings

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00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: dot com.

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00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gabe said it best at YouTube Vikings dot com

933
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: to get your fixed for the remaining summer before we

934
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Speaker 1: get kickstarted into the training camp. Thanks again for listening

935
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. We will be back next week.

936
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Speaker 1: I don't know who I'm gonna gets a guest yet,

937
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: but I promise it'll be a good one. I was

938
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Speaker 1: actually thinking about ron Ron Johnson.

939
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: How about like some of the strength and training staff,

940
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 3: like Remy Remy is here, there you go. I can't

941
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Speaker 3: think Framado Jackson's Well.

942
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Speaker 1: There's a peek into what we do. We kind of

943
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: talk about these things and come in, come into the

944
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: to our own. I like that idea. Yeah, we're gonna

945
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get some good people for you though, we promise.

946
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Speaker 1: Thanks posting to this episode, and uh for Gabe, I'm

947
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Speaker 1: Tatum and we're signing off