1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: A run back to Hooty rebels and Yemen launching two 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: more attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea, just 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: as the US announced a naval task force to counter 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: the threat, the US joining nine countries to escort vessels 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: passing through the crucial trade route after major companies, including 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: oil giant BP paused operations, but the Hooi's vowing further 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: attacks in retaliation for Israel's war in Gaza bottom miners. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: These attacks have to stop. If they need to stop, 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: they're unacceptable. 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: The United States, our allies, and our partners will do 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: what we have to do to counter these threats and 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: to protect these ships. That's Kirby, they're the spokesman, and 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: I like him. He seems like a good dude. But 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: the rhetoric of these attacks have to stop. They're unacceptable. Well, 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: there have been over one hundred now. We're not doing 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: much to deter them, so you can't say they're unacceptable. 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: We seem to be accepting it. I mean, by definition, 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: we seem to be accepted relentless attacks on our troops 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: and our machinery by Iran and their proxies. And I 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: don't know how else you look at that welcome to 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: the Armstrong and Getty Show. We want to check in 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: with Mike Lyons, who we love talking to about anything 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: military wise. Maybe you see him on CNN, maybe you 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: follow him on Twitter at mag Mike Lyons on Twitter. 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: In fact, they got a tweet that I want to 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: read to him from yesterday and have him explain more. Mike, 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show again. 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: Hey guy, it's good to be backcause always. 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: Let's start with the over one hundred times that Iran 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: or people at the behest of Iran have attacked or 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: attempted to attack us. I mean, have we pushed back 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: enough in your eyes? 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I think we keep trying 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 4: to give this visual deterrence. You know, two carrier groups 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: in the Mediterranean and the Carnie in the Red Sea. 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: But we're dealing with an enemy that doesn't care about 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: that because they know that we're psychologically disarmed. They know 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: that we will respond in a manner that will likely 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: cause great damage and destruction. And then the enemy knows 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: that the rest of the world then will turn against us. 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: And so we don't really, you know, have the gumption 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: anymore to stake a high moral ground about. Look, you're 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: not going to attack us. We're going to protect our 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: soldiers and our sailors and the like, and we're going 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: to not care about what the rest of the world thinks. 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: It's the same problem Israel's having right now. You know, 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: the rest of the world is really concerned what Israel's doing. Well, 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: Israel's trying to fight for his existence right now. So 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 4: that's you know, kind of the same example. 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: I hear the dogs of war in the background where 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: you are. 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't even get them outther I got 53 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: them out. 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: No big deal. 55 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: So the rhetoric of this must stop. This is unacceptable. 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: I feel like if you don't push back really, really hard, 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: you're saying it is acceptable. 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: And is there any reason to think it's not going 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: to continue? 60 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: You know, it's so the Secretary of Defense did the 61 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: right thing. Put together a coalition of other nations and 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: of others that are that are going to look to respond. 63 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: But we've got to go after the source, not just 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: you know, on the ground. It's going to mean destroying 65 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: a lot of equipment on the ground. We have to 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: go after what Iran is doing. Is Iran you know, 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: completely supports the Houthis. I mean, you know, but for 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 4: Iran that the Houthis don't don't exist. They and and 69 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: and we've allowed the problem just to get worse and 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: worse over the course of the years. And that's that's 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 4: like everything in the world right now. The can gets 72 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: kicked down the road until we finally have to take 73 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 4: care of it. So let's hope that this will possibly 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: take care of it, and we will eventually respond if 75 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: they you know, let's say they think an oil tanker 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: or something and create an environmental disaster. There's there's so 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: many things, so many really bad possibilities there. I don't 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: think they'll get to our ships because of our defense 79 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: platforms that we have there, but there's a lot of 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: tragedy that can still take place there. And then of 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: course the money that's being lost. You see, a lot 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: of the ships are being derived or ready to the 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: to the south and in Africa in that regard, and 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: then all the Egyptians, the Gyptans have to be made. 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: They're losing about my my son tells me it's a 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: million dollars to take a ship down and back into 87 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: the sost Canal. So they're losing all that money's taking 88 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 4: place there. So let's hope the rest of the world 89 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: recognizes that this is a problem and gets on board 90 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: with there as well. 91 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep using the example. 92 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal had a story several weeks ago 93 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: now about how an attack drone got lodged in the 94 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: ceiling of a building and the bomb didn't go off. 95 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: If it had, it would have killed a whole bunch 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: of US servicemen. So that was just lock that. 97 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: You know, that that didn't happen, So I feel like 98 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: you got to respond as if it did. 99 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: But you know, we're not well. 100 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: And the kind of attacks that the drones can make 101 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: on the ships, they could be swarm attacks. We just 102 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: haven't seen that yet. But that's really would be a 103 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 4: tremendous escalation because if you fire, you know, we saw 104 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 4: that ship the other day, the Carney was fired. Some 105 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: of my fourteen or fifteen drone shot them out of 106 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: the sky. If you sent a hundred or a thousand 107 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 4: at the Carney, that would be a problem for that 108 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: ship and one of them would get through, and then 109 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 4: what do we have? And so you know that's well, 110 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: for whatever reason, we're just on this luck factor of saying, oh, 111 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: you know, right, it hasn't been bad. No one's dead yet, 112 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 4: so that we're just going to continue to go. And 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: it just just doesn't make sense. 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: To the war between Israel and Hamas I'm looking at 115 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: this tweet of yours from yesterday, I'll just read it. 116 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: I was thinking, the US and Israel, we're talking past 117 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: each other about what the US wanted Israel to do. 118 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: From the news conference today, the administration is not putting 119 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: a timeline on the operation. 120 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: Israel will fight this on their terms, explain. 121 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had thought that the United States from 122 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: what they had said, Jake Sullivan and you know, they 123 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: were telling this, well, it's kind of wrap this up here, 124 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: acting like it's you know, some kind of protests formation 125 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: in Portland or something. And and but but after this 126 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: last press conference, after the last meeting, the secondary Defense 127 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: said there's no timetable for Israel. They're going to do 128 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 4: this whatever they want to do it. So that to 129 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: me was good enough to say, well, this is now 130 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: going to go on for months. It's not going to 131 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: get wrapped up. We're not going to you know, both 132 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: of these audiences are talking to their domestic audiences, right 133 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: or both of these people are talking to their domestic 134 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 4: audiences where you know, we're trying to Obviously, the political 135 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: factor of the Democrats right now, for whatever reason, is 136 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 4: they have to show some kind of support for Hamas. 137 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: Don't don't ask me why, but that seems to be 138 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: what they're trying to do. And so in Israel's case, 139 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: there are some inside of Israel too that that that 140 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: are that want, you know, the civilians that not be 141 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: as terrorized. I don't know what the term is, because it's, 142 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: you know, they're at war again for their own survival. 143 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 4: But once they said that to me, I was good, Okay, 144 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: here we go. So this is that they're not going 145 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: to be concerned here that in the next month nothing's 146 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: going to change. Israel is not stopping. They're also fighting 147 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 4: a two front war. They're fighting a war in the 148 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: north where they're clearing Hamas military formations that wage war 149 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 4: against Israel to that to that area they're indirect fire 150 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: weapons and the like, and then the one in the 151 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: south and the south Gaza Kany units for example, that's 152 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: where the headquarters are, that's where a lot of the 153 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 4: leadership were, that's where a lot of them escaped to 154 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 4: when we had that seas fire before, and that's kind 155 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: of a different operation. But the bottom line to me 156 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: is Israel's not stopping and they're not going to change 157 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: your tactics. They have to make this a conventional war. 158 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 4: They have to bring Hama up to the level of 159 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: a conventional fight and get them to surrender. 160 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: I wonder how much we're saying different things to them 161 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: behind closed doors or in phone calls than we are 162 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: in public. And that makes me wonder also just kind 163 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: of as in a side, like you're a West Point 164 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: guy and you've studied all this military strategy and history 165 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, how much do you how much 166 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: at West Point do they get into the politics at all? 167 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: Or do they because obviously that plays a role in 168 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: a war. You might have to do one thing and 169 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: say another to keep you know, your domestic audience happy. 170 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: How much do y'all think about that? 171 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: There's no question that at West Point that's the force 172 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: that's taught to cadets as they progress in their careers 173 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: and get to that certain place. But I mean west 174 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: Point trains you kind of the younger officers. It's really 175 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: the ones that have been you know, the general officers 176 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 4: that are there and politics has made a much bigger 177 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: impact on the military. Unfortunately. I often think about if 178 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: you brought back to generals from World War Two and 179 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: you told them how we were fighting war today, they 180 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 4: would just like shake their and say, you guys are nuts, 181 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 4: because we'd have this thing over here in six weeks. 182 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: We would take the biggest weapons we have and we 183 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: would destroy everything we possibly could. We wouldn't care about 184 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: the things you guys seem to care about, and we 185 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: would get this thing done. And that is the harsh 186 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: reality of history, is how they would look at it. 187 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: And instead, you know, we're trying to tell Israel to 188 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: you know, you have the president United States saying that 189 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: Israel's indiscriminately bombing civilians and that's just irresponsible, right, That's 190 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: why I was talking about, you know, talking past each other. 191 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: I mean, that's irresponsible for the president to say that. 192 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 4: So no question that and the accelerant of social media 193 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: and the audience and all those things get through it. 194 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: So again from a military perspective, that the Idea app 195 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: is trying to use its military as a tool foreign 196 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: policy to get the Palestinian leadership to heal and get 197 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: them to surrender and they're going to do whatever they 198 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: can in that regard. 199 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been talking about. 200 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you take any country, state, village anywhere in 201 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: the world throughout history, if you got attacked the way 202 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: Israel got attacked, where they came in and they headed 203 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: your babies and raped your grandma's you would if you 204 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: could lay waste to that entity right all throughout history, 205 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: anywhere in the world. And so now what where are we? 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting thing to watch. 207 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: And in the Arab world is not helping the Palestinians, 208 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 4: I mean Egyptian says we've talked about before, and anytime 209 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: they open up a barrier, that barriers between them and 210 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: Gaza to let humanitarian id and they can't close it 211 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: fast enough, all right, so they're not letting any refugees 212 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 4: in the rest of the nations really don't care about it. 213 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 4: They want to you know, brand to the United Nations, 214 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: and they want to make a big deal about it. 215 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: But this is you know, Israel's not going to settle 216 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 4: for two state solution right now. They're not going to 217 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: settle for any of that previous ideas about what's going 218 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 4: on here. And I don't think they care about what 219 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: the United States says. You're right behind closed doors. They're 220 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: kind of rolling their eyes at us basically telling them 221 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: how to fight terrorism, because we really have a great 222 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 4: record from the past twenty years in a rock in 223 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 4: Afghanistan frankly in terms of trying to you know, get 224 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 4: that to work there. 225 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: So interesting. 226 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure we'll be talking about this with you 227 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 3: in the next year, and this is the last time 228 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: we'll be talking to you this year. In twenty three. 229 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: Where is the war in Ukraine currently? Where do you 230 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: think it's headed for twenty four? 231 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a stalemate right now, with both sides still 232 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: not able to take their strategic objectives and align them 233 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: with their operational capabilities. And I don't and if the 234 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 4: United States decides not to support Ukraine, then eventually it 235 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: could be in years at this point, but eventually they 236 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: will lose. I think that you know, Russia is building 237 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: more capacity every day, learning doing things that are moving 238 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 4: in the direction that they're doing better. So you know, 239 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: we've got to get off the dime here, get the 240 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 4: rest of the world to recognize that. And then if 241 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: you ship the world as tinderbox, because I think you 242 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: have what's going on in the Pacific still is something 243 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: that could explode in twenty twenty four, given US leadership, 244 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: where it's going to be, how it's going to change 245 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: next year for US. So I think we're in for 246 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: a lot of things to go on at twenty twenty four, 247 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 4: both in the Middle East, in Europe, and then of 248 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 4: course in the Pacific. It's going to be a really 249 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: challenging year. 250 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a heck of a thing for you to 251 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: end on what we I was going to say, look 252 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 3: forward to talking to you. Unfortunately, when we're talking to you, 253 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: it's oftentimes a bad or challenging situation. But we will 254 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: talk to you in twenty four. Helpe, you have a 255 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: great Christmas in the holiday season. 256 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 4: Thanks Mary, Christmas everybody soon. Thanks for having me Armstrong 257 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 4: and Getty.