WEBVTT - Let's Go Back to the Beginning...with Mama Rosa (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to an episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have Mama Rosa on. Hi, Mama Rosa, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everybody. So I wanted my mom to be on

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<v Speaker 1>because well, she's only been on one other time and

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<v Speaker 1>it was for like a quick Christmas sort of hello

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<v Speaker 1>to all of you. But I wanted her on because Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk early early, early years, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about how I got into the business,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like my first job and then really my

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<v Speaker 1>first meaningful job that sort of started my career the

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<v Speaker 1>way that it did. So how did I get started?

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<v Speaker 1>How did I even get in the business? Mom?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, your first foray into acting was in elementary school

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<v Speaker 2>when you played Alice and Alice in Wonderland, and you

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<v Speaker 2>really got into that. Wanted the dress and everything, so

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<v Speaker 2>we had to go to Disneyland and get you the dress,

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<v Speaker 2>and you did that. But then you went with a

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<v Speaker 2>friend to a children's theater at a church in Redondo

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<v Speaker 2>Beach and you just went to watch her audition and

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<v Speaker 2>then we were going to all go out and get

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<v Speaker 2>Hamburgers afterwards, and you ended up auditioning, as did your brother,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got the role of Sneezy in the Seven

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<v Speaker 2>Dwarfs and he got the role of Grumpy, and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys just enjoyed it so much. It's like you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to all you have an audition, but then you

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<v Speaker 2>got into it. And the wonderful thing about children's theater

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<v Speaker 2>was it allowed you to participate in everything, not just

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<v Speaker 2>in the roles that you were doing, but in painting

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<v Speaker 2>the sets and helping build the sets. And so from there,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody just happened to see you and your brother and

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<v Speaker 2>suggested it, and you really wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It, suggested that I do acting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's usually an agent in everything, and your dad and

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<v Speaker 2>I discussed it and we were really like we were

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<v Speaker 2>basically still new to California and the whole thing kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like we weren't sure about it. And you looked

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<v Speaker 2>at us one day and you said, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this, mom, because I have to work with Michael Landon.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time you had this rag doll named Drusilla,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was amazing because eventually that led to coming

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<v Speaker 2>to life. You played a role of Drusilla in Father Murphy,

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<v Speaker 2>which Michael created and brought you into and that really

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<v Speaker 2>started a lot. But before that, you had gone to

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<v Speaker 2>an agency which was actually an older lady in a

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<v Speaker 2>modeling agency, and she sent you to a children's agent

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<v Speaker 2>and they put you in Variety magazine and she started

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<v Speaker 2>getting all these phone calls and that led to you

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<v Speaker 2>doing the animated film The Secret of Nim with Don

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<v Speaker 2>de Lauis and the wonderful producer Don Bluth, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of roll alone from there. You were with

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful people. It was a wonderful experience. You We did

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<v Speaker 2>what we needed to do and went there and came home.

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad would always drive us the night before to

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<v Speaker 2>wherever we had to be the next morning or the

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<v Speaker 2>next day for an audition, because I was not familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with Los Angeles at all, So how what do you

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<v Speaker 2>mean drive the night before? Like the auditions were in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles? So then like, would we spend the night

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<v Speaker 2>in a hotel or something?

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<v Speaker 1>No, we would just like, oh, we would just go.

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<v Speaker 1>We were driving to.

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<v Speaker 2>A location and he'd say, Okay, this is where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go, and I would see it. Then I

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<v Speaker 2>would know, so the next morning or then you know

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<v Speaker 2>how to get that, I would know how to get there,

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<v Speaker 2>that's funny. So it was a lot going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot not just for you to learn

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<v Speaker 2>and your brother to learn, but it was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>for me to learn. And I learned how to get

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<v Speaker 2>around Los Angeles. I learned how to be more confident

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<v Speaker 2>myself and what I needed to do in order to

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<v Speaker 2>get to places and get things done. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a whole learning experience for the whole family, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were very cautious about it, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>rightly so I think parents need to be cautious about it,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you would be cautious about putting your children

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<v Speaker 2>in sports or any activities. It all takes not just

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from the child, but it takes the family

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<v Speaker 2>to be behind it and to be willing to put

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<v Speaker 2>in the time work.

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<v Speaker 1>Because ultimately, you know, I mean, we had obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>and Dad, so you I remember you going to set

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<v Speaker 1>with me all the time, which left Sean my brother,

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<v Speaker 1>but Dad took him to whatever sports activities everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially, some people would assume that at least one

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<v Speaker 1>sibling is left out, like somebody in the family is

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps less attention paid to them or whatever, because one

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<v Speaker 1>is requiring auditions, and then when they finally book a

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<v Speaker 1>job a series, they're going to work five days a week.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a child actor, I don't remember back then

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<v Speaker 1>what the rules were. How long could we work? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while. Was it twelve hours or less?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I know you

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<v Speaker 2>had to. There were definite three hours of school every day, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, you guys, doesn't intense. Yeah, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're talking about three hours of school, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a classroom with only maybe either a by

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<v Speaker 1>yourself or perhaps five ten kids, that's it's very, very,

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<v Speaker 1>very intensive. And I remember my parents and always sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fighting for really really good set teachers, which I

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<v Speaker 1>did with Helen and Lillian and maryon Fife. I always

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<v Speaker 1>had really good set teachers that were heavily focused on

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<v Speaker 1>me getting an education, and they actually would not I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that there was a chunk of time that they

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<v Speaker 1>had to leave you in school. They couldn't take you

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<v Speaker 1>out after just ten minutes of being in school. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like thirty minute blocks. Yeah, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So in those thirty minutes, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>many years. I know right for me too, it was

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<v Speaker 1>highly focused, intense work. Well, part of that, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing commercials, it's a whole different thing because you're

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<v Speaker 1>not really familiar with the teacher. Generally, after a while

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing it, you'll run into the same teachers

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<v Speaker 1>off and on, and that's always nice. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>actually are doing a series or a movie, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have the same teacher all the time. And fortunately, once

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<v Speaker 1>you started working with Michael Lindon and his crew, the

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<v Speaker 1>teachers were excellent. And he told me from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>he said to me, you as a parent have to

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<v Speaker 1>be satisfied with your child's education, because he knew how

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<v Speaker 1>important education was for us, and you can't if you

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<v Speaker 1>see something, are you there something that troubles you or

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<v Speaker 1>you think she needs something different, ative teacher says you

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent have the right to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>producer and say we need this. Ironically, that was Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the producer.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was just really wonderful and the teachers that

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<v Speaker 2>he had, like Helen Menir, had been with him for years,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess since Little House on the Prairie started, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was wonderful teacher. And then he brought in Marion Fife,

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<v Speaker 2>who was another fabulous teacher that he hit, so we

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<v Speaker 2>always knew who was teaching you and what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as you got to older. When you got older,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember one particular series you were on Our House.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you and two others, and the other two

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<v Speaker 2>children were younger than you, and you were already you

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<v Speaker 2>were studying from the least the International School of France,

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<v Speaker 2>so we needed teachers that were really there for you

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So eventually you also could speak French, because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing of the school is And eventually you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to transfer to the school in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>lily Sae Francais, which is in fact the public school

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<v Speaker 1>of France. They had two It was all in the

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<v Speaker 1>same campus, but you could either take all your classes

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<v Speaker 1>except for French class in English, or you could transfer

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<v Speaker 1>to the French side, where every class is taught in French.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously that was always the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>And because on that particular show, on the show Our House,

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<v Speaker 2>the three of you were in such different age groups

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<v Speaker 2>that they required to have separate teachers for and then

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<v Speaker 2>you were required to have three teachers because of the

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<v Speaker 2>intensive study that you had.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember Lillian being my teacher. Lillian was one

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<v Speaker 1>of your teachers. I don't I don't remember other teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two other teachers. Maybe it's because I bonded

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<v Speaker 1>with Lina and Lynn was the base for you. She

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<v Speaker 1>also spoke fluent French, so she said on French test.

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<v Speaker 2>And then someone came in for geometry I believe it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there was another teacher for something else for calculus.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a good education, and it wasn't It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>easy because your dad would go to the school really say,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would have all the lesson plans and everything

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for him. Once a week he would do that

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<v Speaker 2>and it was sealed and it had to be presented

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<v Speaker 2>to the teachers sealed. And the test, all the tests,

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<v Speaker 2>anytime you took tests, any of your homework, anything, the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers put in an envelope and it was sealed and

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<v Speaker 2>then it was taken back to the school. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was not like you're going to a set and going

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<v Speaker 2>into a classroom where they just haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>An a and fixed your work for you and do

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. So you got a really good education

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<v Speaker 1>which led you to be in the Who's Who among

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<v Speaker 1>American high school students, all American high schools, among American

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<v Speaker 1>high school students. And that was not for who I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was for my grades. It was for your grades.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the top five percent. I forgot I

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<v Speaker 1>was in that. I was in it for two years

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, right, an excellent student.

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<v Speaker 2>And going back to what it's like for a family

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<v Speaker 2>and for your brother, this is another tribute to Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael allowed the crew and anybody working on the series

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<v Speaker 2>that if you had children who wanted to come and

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<v Speaker 2>be on the show, he would put them in background

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And Sean loved that, and Sean was really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>One time when somebody really wrecked nice. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>scene like we was recognized in a base, small thing

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<v Speaker 2>that was going on in the background, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the series, but it was background. But he got

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<v Speaker 2>a really good shot and he was like really happy.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also loved theater more, and he took acting

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<v Speaker 2>class more for theater, and after a while it just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't his thing. He played football, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I got into politics. Basically acting anyway, right, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>most of our politicians it's all acting, so Okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>was That was a lot and very fast. And no,

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<v Speaker 1>we like you know you you took a what's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a forty five minute podcast, you narrawed it

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<v Speaker 1>down to ten minutes. So no, there's a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't cover it all in one because then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing else to talk about, mom. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to go back because I I remember my first job

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<v Speaker 1>being a pack bell commercial. You're right, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>for the Latin American market. Yes, the Spanish Hispanic. And

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<v Speaker 1>the woman who played my grandma.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Carmen Zapata, right, veryst Hispanic actress.

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<v Speaker 1>She was fabulous and all I had to do was sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>All I had to do was lay in bed sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>which was quite easy. I actually think I fell asleep

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<v Speaker 1>on set in the bed because she did like this

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. I'm coming to work and I'm working with

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<v Speaker 1>this cool lady and I get to actually sleep and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you were with a grandmother. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>was so nice. She was so nice, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I did a shouted out commercial. You did

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, do you remember what drew you to horses?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Robert Kennedy in his time, no way before that.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the story I've been telling everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's true. Here's here's what happened. You went and

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<v Speaker 2>you auditioned for a surgery over commercials. Yes, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was you had to be on a horse, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were in Bell Canyon, which at that time was very secluded,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was so nervous about getting there that we

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<v Speaker 2>got there I think like five or six in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and we weren't didn't need to be there till eight

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and suddenly we heard all this thundering coming

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<v Speaker 2>through and it was this whole big motorcycle gang or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Okay, let's lay down and be

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<v Speaker 2>very quiet, and we were just like and then come

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<v Speaker 2>to find out, well, they were shooting a commercial there

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Another was another commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I do remember Sergio Valentte, it wasn't so

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm still correct that Robert Kennedy and his

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<v Speaker 1>times got me into horses. Really yeah, because Sergio, you

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<v Speaker 1>were on and off the horse pretty quickly, and I

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<v Speaker 1>loved my horse. But there was something that felt a

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<v Speaker 1>little like wild about that particular commercial shoot. For me

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>was in the commercial with me, and but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was weird. It was the area was a little rough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the land. I mean, now, it's amazing. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's what was weird for me is that I remember

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<v Speaker 1>they had us sort of climb on the horse one leg.

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<v Speaker 1>My right leg would be in the stirrup, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you had to hoist your left leg and they would

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<v Speaker 1>see whose bottom looked the best in jeans. But we

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<v Speaker 1>were kids, we were young, and Sydney Penny did it

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<v Speaker 1>with me and her bottom looked the best, so she

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<v Speaker 1>had the butt shot, which made her Yes, But a

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<v Speaker 1>little now that you think about it, it's a little inappropriate. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When I said it was great, I just mess you. You didn't, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to do it, and that part was great,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't even realize it. I just seated at

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<v Speaker 1>the time though that I didn't get the butt shot,

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<v Speaker 1>only because the butt shot person then got the big

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<v Speaker 1>close up and they were considered sort of the star

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<v Speaker 1>of the commercial. But you're right, it's great because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know any commercial that would do that nowadays, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the United States of America. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing an ass shot of how old was

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<v Speaker 1>I ten? Eleven? Ten? Yeah, I don't think that's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think there's it's probably still certain done. Maybe they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even they were thinking. Maybe they were just thinking genes.

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<v Speaker 2>I really think they were just thinking where the insignia

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<v Speaker 2>was was on the back they were doing a close

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<v Speaker 2>up of that. I don't think it was about because

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<v Speaker 2>I would not have allowed to do a commercial with adults,

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<v Speaker 2>not with kids. You got to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more aware. I know you were.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you were very protective, not saying you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>so sergiov Linte. Was there any other commercials I did? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You did.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember doing Mattel? You did Mattel, I don't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you did various things, and you you joyed it for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part. And the Matail commercial you were the

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<v Speaker 2>You got to dress up in the long fully dressed

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<v Speaker 2>and your hair was all curly, and that was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was really especially to have a girl, a little

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<v Speaker 2>girl doing commercials.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I finally figured out was to take the

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<v Speaker 2>trunk of my car and I would put a box

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<v Speaker 2>for Sean in a box for you and things in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have different changes of clothes because we

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<v Speaker 2>might think that we're going for one commercial audition and

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly we would get you know, we would check in

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<v Speaker 2>before we headed home because you didn't have cell phones then,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would say, no, we need you to do

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<v Speaker 2>and we would go to another commercial. You might have

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<v Speaker 2>your hair and braids in the next minute. You might

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<v Speaker 2>need to have like curls.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I liked my braids, and I liked my oshkosh

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<v Speaker 1>be gosh. You were more a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little tomboyish, which was great. And I think that also

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<v Speaker 2>because of that, I think it just kept you on

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<v Speaker 2>a real level plane and having a brother and just

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<v Speaker 2>being a to You weren't slow into like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to have this. I have to And then

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<v Speaker 2>if you did have to have something special, fine, But

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise it was you generally just went in your ashkush.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you got I think that's how secret of nim.

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<v Speaker 2>You went in your your I think it was your peach,

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<v Speaker 2>your orange colored ashkoush walls. And you always like to

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<v Speaker 2>have we called it dog ears. They call it two

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<v Speaker 2>ponytails now. But and you always wanted ribbons, so you

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<v Speaker 2>always had ribbons in your hair. You love ribbons, but

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<v Speaker 2>you were a top little tomboy basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Well the ribbons just for me was decorative and gave

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<v Speaker 1>a little just to my outfit, but it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was cute. So when you did the Secret of Nim

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<v Speaker 1>they actually put a big bow in your character's hair

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<v Speaker 1>because you always wore ribbons. That was a nod to you.

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<v Speaker 1>As I ran into Don Bluth at a convention, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe how talented he is. He drew me.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought it home and I showed you right, he

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<v Speaker 1>drew he he drew Teresa all over again and signed

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<v Speaker 1>it and we talked about what that experience was and

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<v Speaker 1>the big bow in my hair and all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful that was with Don de Luise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but Don Bluth was amazingly talented and so kind, so kind,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the interesting thing about voiceovers is that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you're in a booth by yourself, recording your lines,

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<v Speaker 1>with people staring through recording studio through a glass telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do it this way or do it that way,

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<v Speaker 1>or give me five readings in a row, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to hang out with the cast that much

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<v Speaker 1>because you're all on different time schedule. But I did

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<v Speaker 1>meet Dom DeLuise.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also by doing an animated movie while you

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<v Speaker 2>were so young and doing that voiceover later, you have

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<v Speaker 2>always been so good doing this in the sound booth

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<v Speaker 2>when they have to go back and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you mean looping. Yeah, and that's just that's little

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's Father Murphy and little House. That's Michael Landon

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. That taught me how to. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think you were so deep into it because you felt

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable because you'd part of Yeah. I mean I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't particularly love it now because I think when you're

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<v Speaker 1>so guys, what looping is is if there's when you're

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<v Speaker 1>filming and there's a noise over your line but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have time to take it over, or the sound

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<v Speaker 1>cuts out, there's something weird. When they're done editing, you

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<v Speaker 1>go into a booth and you re record, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to match the movement of your mouth perfectly. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do it perfectly, which is when all of

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<v Speaker 1>us watch a show and we're like, ooh, what's that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what's called bad looping. And I I don't

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<v Speaker 1>love it because I think when you're in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>on the sound stage and you're filming with your fellow actors,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a different chemistry. There's all the emotion is coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fully in character. But I'm also not deeply opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to it. When I have to loop, I'm okay with

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<v Speaker 1>it because of Michael's with it. Yeah, I so back

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<v Speaker 1>then when I when I started, because I'm old, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the the the playback, so you couldn't watch

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<v Speaker 1>your lips, you couldn't do anything. There was no patience,

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<v Speaker 1>all by sound and so they would beep you in

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<v Speaker 1>so it would be three beep, beep, beep. You could

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<v Speaker 1>hear what you recorded most of the time, but you

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<v Speaker 1>had to be perfectly in sync with that. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is the hardest way to loop humanly possible, in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how I learned, and I think that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really good at it is because and Michael taught

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<v Speaker 1>me how. And by the way, his sound engineers were fantastic,

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<v Speaker 1>his whole crew.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nobody in his crew that wasn't just and

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<v Speaker 2>they were just. They were kind, they were polite, they

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<v Speaker 2>were respectful. I mean, they were fun. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>were just it was I think it's probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best crews evers e were in the business ever.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've always been a crew person. You've always since

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<v Speaker 2>you were little. You would like both talk to the crew.

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<v Speaker 2>You always have just been interested it's and they would help.

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<v Speaker 2>They would show you things, they taught you things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then once Michael taught me how to play Liar's Poker,

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<v Speaker 1>I would always hang out with them so I could

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<v Speaker 1>make extra money, which is hysterical. So Father Murphy the

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<v Speaker 1>audition came around, and like my mom said earlier, I

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<v Speaker 1>had this sort of cloth doll that I had named Drusilla.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get the sides for Father Murphy for the audition,

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<v Speaker 1>and the character.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't get the sides. Did you get them before? I

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<v Speaker 2>thought you didn't get them to you walked into the

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<v Speaker 2>into the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Do you think I did a cold read?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I can't remember. Okay, I trust your memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say I did a cold read, walked in and

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<v Speaker 1>the part was named Drusilla, which was so cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>also thought, well, I'm getting this job because you walked

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<v Speaker 1>into a room full of this is your first series.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't a series. I was only a two

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<v Speaker 1>part episode. Yeah, but I mean you know it led

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<v Speaker 1>to but you walked into a room. I walked in

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<v Speaker 1>with you, you know, to check you in.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there were a room full of children, some

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<v Speaker 2>parents sitting in and I'm like, are you okay? Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay, mom I said you want me to They

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 2>handed you the sides. I'm like, you want me to

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<v Speaker 2>go over anything? Nope, I got.

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<v Speaker 1>It, mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like okay, I'm like, I'll be right out in

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<v Speaker 2>the hall. And you sat there and you wait and

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 2>they called you in. And you always knew when you

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<v Speaker 2>got something, you would always come out and say I

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<v Speaker 2>got this, mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I did not say that. When I

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned for the Haves The's commercial, I came out have

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<v Speaker 1>The's commercial. Do you remember that Cereal have The's that

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<v Speaker 1>I auditioned for and I knew I didn't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you would come out and say, I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>I also told them I didn't know the cereal that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't care. I was far too honest as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>which continued throughout my adult life, which caused a lot

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 1>of problems, but I don't regret it sort of. So yeah,

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>so I knew I had that. I walked out and

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited because it was a Michael Landon

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<v Speaker 1>produced TV show and it was with Merlin Olsen and

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<v Speaker 1>then the man who played my father, Eli was Jack Elam.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful a character actor back then, very well known,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was so awesome to work with, and so

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<v Speaker 1>was Merlin. And there was Timothy and Scottie like Catherine, Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else on the set. It was such a cool experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I wore buckskins for half of it. We shot it

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona, and it was one hundred and ten, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>Tucson out in the old movie own some old movie

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<v Speaker 2>outside of Tucson.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so hot. I have pictures of me in

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<v Speaker 1>the trailer with bandanas wrapped around my neck on my

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<v Speaker 1>forehead because people were passing out from the heat. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you wear buckskins, that's and a coonskin can and

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a coonskin hat. So you would wrap bandanas, you would

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>dunk them in sea breeze. Ice. Yeah, so ice and

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 1>sea breeze, and then dunk your bandanas in and that

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:37.679
<v Speaker 1>would keep you time around your neck cooler. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was a wild, fun experience. It was, well, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first time we ever went anywhere by ourselves. You and

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I boarded a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad and Sean took us to the airport and we

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<v Speaker 2>got on the plane to Tucson. You had you had

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<v Speaker 2>a cowboy hat, you had a stroke cowboy hat because

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>you were going to cowboy country and we're so cute,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had Drew.

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<v Speaker 1>Sillhow with you.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we got there, this big, heavy set man

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<v Speaker 2>was like so jolly and I we didn't know who

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>he was, but he was like he was taking care

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.439
<v Speaker 2>of us and everything else. It ended up to be

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>an exec producer, Kim McCrae, who was wonderful and his

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>his later he married Susan McCray. It suckman at the time.

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>He married her, who was the head casting director for

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Michael's shows.

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 2>But it was it was such a beautiful experience. And

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 2>on your lunch break, you would come in and we

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>had everybody was in honeywagon. There were no special trailers

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and you would take you would sleep during your lunch

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and then you would it was so damn hot. Yeah,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you just needed like to recoup and then you could

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>always get you know, you always had food there. But

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it was like, yeah, you slept, it was way too hot.

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it was fun, very fun, cool, different experience.

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I loved everyone, But remember what you got special every day.

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I think Jack brought it to you what it was

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>because it's this old western town and they're open sometimes

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>for tourist type of root beer floats.

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's right, that's right, that's I think

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>it was Jack that brought me to what a nice

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 1>man he was.

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And then you met his daughter who was doing a

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>little into the same age, but she was working at

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.719
<v Speaker 2>times at the Zoo and Santa Barbara, and we went

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 2>up there. It's beautiful, it was. It was a beautiful

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>show to be on and beautiful people to work with.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>So how did Father Murphy lead to Little House Father Murphy?

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Your particular episode on Father Murphy. It was a two

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>part episode. It pulled such high numbers from what I

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>was told that NBC was really interested and NBC was

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>really wanting to do something with you, and Michael was

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>holding back because Michael they wanted and all the director

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and the producers on Father Murphy wanted him to put

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you on Father Murphy. They wanted you on Father Murphy

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and NBC. I think too that everybody wanted you to

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>come on Father Murphy and hold those ratings that you

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>were pulling from the two part episode. It wasn't really

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>about me, honestly, it was probably more about Jacqueline. But

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it was also the writing. It was the episode, so

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>it was our director Bill. I remember how fantastic he was.

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was just I mean, first off, the

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>show was really good, but those particular two episodes, I

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>think we're just so well written and struck a chord

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>with people, and your character left a lot.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>It left a lot to work with and you were

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't you would have did. The boys were pretty much.

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what girl was on there. If there

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 2>was a I don't remember there was, yeah, and I

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 2>remember she was really pretty. And it was the first

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>time I'd ever sort of formed a crush, which really

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>paralleled my character because there was Scotty and there was Timothy,

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and my character has the crush on the older boy Timothy,

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>but the younger boy has the crush on me and

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>their brothers. So the older one was all about his age.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful stunning girl as opposed to me with my buck teeth,

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's sort of paralleled real life. And I remember

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>it was it was my first kiss ever because Scotty

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>had to kiss me on the cheek. That's right, that's right.

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>He did. He did like a quick kiss on my

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>cheek for the show in the show, and I just

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>remember being a little embarrassed and being like, oh, why

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:56.479
<v Speaker 1>can it be Timothy because you yeah, it's just and

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that was that's nice.

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>That was nice that you were a little in embarrass

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I would have been a little concern.

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was You're in front of a

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>whole crew and you're young, and it was just an

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>innocent like it was literally like a quick peck on

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the cheek. But for me it was still sort of like, oh,

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>this is this is crazy. What's happening right now? I

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>can't believe people are watching this. Okay, So how did

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that lead to Little House? Mom? I'll tell you how,

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you. Here's what I happened. Is Michael Little

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>House on the Prairie was ending, but he was starting

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a continuation of it called Little House in the New Beginning.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>That was you know, Laura Ingalls and Almonzo and Victor

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>French was going to continue his role on it, better

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>known to me as Stinky, and Catherine McGregor was going

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to stay. It was basically that Michael Karen Grassel, that

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>whole group Melissa Dina Anderson was leading was leaving, and

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>so it was all about Laura Ingles for the most part.

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, and he brought me in to do

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Little House in New Beginning, which I'm not sure how

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>many seasons it lasted, but I recall it being a

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>total four years of my life if I'm correct. If

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not, please a view er look it up and

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.959
<v Speaker 1>tell me or a listener, Oh my gosh.

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>It's when Laura Ingles meets Almonzo and she married. She's

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>married to Almonzo Almonzo, but now she's moved on and

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>she's has a baby. Yes, and her niece, who is you?

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I was not her niece. I was Almonzo's niece.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Somonzo's brother comes to visit with his daughter, which was

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>me Jenny Wilder, and he suffers a massive heart attack.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>He knew he was sick, that's why he brought me there.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>He dies and they essentially take me in and treat

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>me as their own sort of. I mean, I did

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>they ever do an official.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Adoption and that they did, I don't know, but basically,

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>they adopted you into their family.

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>This is turning into like a trivia episode, you guys.

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>So anything that we say we don't know or we're

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>not sure about, feel free to let me know what

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>it is. Did they have adoption official adoption back then?

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So right, So he brought me in

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and I just remember being seriously overjoyed that I got

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to work with Michael again because he was so kind

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and so funny and so witty and so smart. So

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>little house actually getting the job? Did I do remember?

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Did I have to audition for it? I don't believe

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you auditioned.

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I just believe you went in and you just you

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 2>met with them, and they just wanted to see because

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you'd grown. It was a couple of years or whatever

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you had, you had grown. You weren't that little girl

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 2>you were like now you were taller you were, you

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 2>had grown, and they just I think, you're just just

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>meeting with you again. That's all, just seeing you saying hi,

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:45.959
<v Speaker 2>and that was it.

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>And I got the job, which was thrilling and exciting.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Very exciting, and to be on the lot when we

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 2>were on a lot, to be on the MGM lot

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>because it was MGM back then. Yes, And in the

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>old MGM all, the kids would go to the cafeteria.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was people who had been there for years,

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and the security guards. You would drive in every morning

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and they would hello, and they would say our names.

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Even my name. They were really nice. We were just like,

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a beautiful lot to be on. And then

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we would shoot at Disney Ranch yep, the outdoor stuff.

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>And then other times we would shoot what Tapenga do

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.439
<v Speaker 1>you remember? Oh?

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.439
<v Speaker 2>It was Seemi Valley, Tepo Canyon. That's where else I saw, right,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>they sent wranglers out in the mornings before everybody came

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>to Yeah, check everything.

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I never had a problem with Rattlesnake's I still

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>don't you do though, But well that's a whole other episode. Mom,

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>you and nature. She's like, I'll never be a lot

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of nature. I just don't like to be, you know,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it rebels against you. But again that's a different episode.

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 1>So all right, so I've gone on Little House. I

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>think it was a four year time period. And one

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite episodes I did was with Ralph Bellamy. Well,

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that's something else that Michael did. He brought in, like

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>via Miles, he brought in wonderful people and wrote wonderful

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>episodes that gave you such a beautiful experience, and it

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>was just it was really exciting to see that part

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of what the experience of being in the business. Yeah.

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what that episode was called, but it

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>was Michael wrote it, Michael directed it, and it was

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Ralph Bellamy played country doctor that was losing his eyesight,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and oh it makes me cry. He was so good

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and he basically wasn't really able to take on patience

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>anymore because it was losing, as I say, and my

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>character lost. I was with my friends and the lockett

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>that my father was pretty much the only thing I

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>had from my dad that he gave me had somehow

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>fallen off in the pond slash lake, and I dove

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>down to get it, and my character got stuck under

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>like trees and brush and I was down there for

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>far too long. And so when they finally found me

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and brought me up, I couldn't speak properly. I stuttered.

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't spit out words. I couldn't formulate the words.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I had a limp. And I remember the big, huge

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>water tank on the sound stage. A human aquarium is

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what I was big. And again Michael was directing, so

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>he was very concerned about my safety and he made

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>me feel good.

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 2>He talked to me about He took me aside and

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:14.720
<v Speaker 2>explained everything.

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he just he did have to tell me

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times to stop holding my breath with

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>my cheeks puffed out, because supposedly, like I'm I've now

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>drowned and I'm no longer breathing, but my cheeks. I

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>would I would. I would hold my breath so it

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>would seem like I was no longer conscious, but I

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>would puff out my cheeks with all the air that

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.879
<v Speaker 1>I had sucked in before I went down to get

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in position. So I don't know, there might be I

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>would have to look that episode up and see if

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I ever actually did that right. I might not have.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I somehow recalled that I saw it a long time ago,

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh my gosh, look at my

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>cheeks puffed out. There was another stump woman doing that.

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>You did the whole thing. But he was, Oh, I'm

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to find the photo. There's a photo of

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>me wrapped up in a bathrobe with Michael and he's

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>talking to me and directing me, and I'm looking at

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>him with such adoration because I did. I adored him.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 1>He was a mentor. He very much can't appreciate, but

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>he appreciated your interest because you would like, instead of

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>going off to play, you would come and you would

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>sit behind camera and Teddy Boitlander, Teddy Boightlander, one of

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the best dps of all times photographers.

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>You were interested, You had such an interest, and you

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 2>nobody ever had to tell you your mark anything. You just

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you were so totally wrapped in it. You just you

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get enough of it.

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It was like, Yeah, Teddy taught me all about different lenses,

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and he would have me sit behind the camera and

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>learn how to operate and then teach me about the lenses.

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>And he gave me a list of books on lighting

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that I still have, like the Face on Her Light.

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>There are just some extraordinary books that I still pick

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>up today and I certainly use them. When I was

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>directing Charmed and the web thing, I did music videos.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I still sort of look at those books that show

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Little House shaved me in so many ways, and it

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>still is the best experience of my entire career, and

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>as a parent, because you hear so many negative things

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>about children working in the industry and everything. But as

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a parent, and you know, I had questions in the beginning,

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to be sure, but you were with

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the right person. You were with the right people.

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's a parent watching this and watching them taking

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>note of your interests and you're intelligent to see it

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>and to grasp it. And they just they were thrilled

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 2>with you as you were with them about wanting to learn.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 2>They were as still about teaching you. Yeah, and so

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it was just really and I was just it was

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>a very comfortable thing as a parent to see that

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 2>they didn't just treat you as some kid that like,

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, just you did this, now, go go

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>your room or whatever.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>They just always was were there for you and the Okay,

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>So going back to the Ralph Fellamy in the episode,

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So I drowned a little bit and and I lose

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 1>my speech and I have a limp, and I am

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the last patient of this country doctor essentially, because everybody

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>else is saying they can't do anything for me, if

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I recall correctly. And Ra Fellamy again one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most prolific character actors. He was in Trading Spaces. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just phenomenal. He lived in New York, very old school,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had this little licorice candy stillies. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that always came. Which, by the way, you have them,

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you always have them. I always have them, have stillies, hastillies, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And so he would. He would always bring me a

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<v Speaker 1>ten and he got me hooked on those. But we

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<v Speaker 1>just bonded, and I remember he would write me letters afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>We would we were like pin pals for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>He would sit by you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you could either one of you could have

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<v Speaker 2>gone and done anything, and while they're setting up for

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 2>another scene or something, but he the two of you

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 2>would sit there in your chairs and you would have

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<v Speaker 2>these conversations. You would talk to you and you would

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 2>each have a little licorice once in a while. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always tried to like give space. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to hover. I wasn't gonna whether it was whatever

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not the mother that was going to leave

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>my children or put them with somebody else to take

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>care of. It's like if I can't, if I can't

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<v Speaker 2>watch over my kids especially, this was like really nothing

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>we had ever been familiar with. I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there. If not, then you weren't. But it just

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<v Speaker 2>to sit back, and I always try to sit, and

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of course you would always at some point come and

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 2>sit on my lap, and you even did that my

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>own Charmed and all the others. You would always come

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 2>sit on my lap at some point. But it was

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 2>amazing just sit and watch you and Rap Blamey sit

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<v Speaker 2>there and have this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays, I don't sit on your lap, but my legs do. Yeah,

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>watch TV while I watched TV. So this is just

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of amazing because when I think about

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<v Speaker 1>the long span of my career, but also how rough

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>some jobs were and unenjoyable to be a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit toxic. It was really the experience on

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<v Speaker 1>Little House that spurred that passion on for being an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was having a mentor like Michael Landon. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what anybody else's experience was, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth about that man, and he was just

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable so so so talented, so kind, so considerate, and

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it really helped shape me. And he was incredibly caring

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>for my entire family, not just you and me. He

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>was caring for Dad and for Sean. And he actually

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 1>sent your dad to a doctor at UCLA that was

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Red duel Stein. I clink that was very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get into it. He he knew that because he had

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<v Speaker 1>took the time to talk to your dad and know him,

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's how he knew that, and in order to

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>give your dad that opportunity. So yeah, I know, he

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>was very he was. He was very interesting man. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, there is going to be a part two

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<v Speaker 1>of this because a we have more to talk about

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Little House, but also what came after Little House. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even Cliffwood Avenue kids. What's Cliffwood Avenue kids? Like,

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:49.359
<v Speaker 1>we see we skipped right over an we'll make notes.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't one of the best casting directors. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk all about that. We'll talk about the transition

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 1>into our House Wilfred Brimley, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching now on some network. I know, I like

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<v Speaker 3>last night you were watching it and you walked in

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 3>and I always like, what like this is so weird.

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I walked right out. I say, yeah, you can't. I can't,

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, listen, Let's be clear. Is a diary, it's

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a memoir. It's also about the present. It's also about

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the future. Right now with my mom, we're going to

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>do a little bit of the past. So please, I

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoy this episode. It's so special for my

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>mom and I to be able to do this and

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.919
<v Speaker 1>memory share our memories with all of you because there's

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>so many positive ones, so many beautiful ones that that

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that will have forever, like just moments between mother and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredibly incredibly special. Don't cry, mama. And then obviously

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>there'll be a part two. So thank you so much

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 1>for listening to be Clear with Shannon Doherty. And let's

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>think my mama, Mama Rosa. She's already tearing up. So

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>bye you guys, Thank you so much. Bye guys,