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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to an episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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Speaker 1: And I have Mama Rosa on. Hi, Mama Rosa, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody. So I wanted my mom to be on

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Speaker 1: because well, she's only been on one other time and

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Speaker 1: it was for like a quick Christmas sort of hello

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Speaker 1: to all of you. But I wanted her on because Mom,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk early early, early years, right, Like

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how I got into the business,

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Speaker 1: sort of like my first job and then really my

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Speaker 1: first meaningful job that sort of started my career the

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Speaker 1: way that it did. So how did I get started?

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Speaker 1: How did I even get in the business? Mom?

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Speaker 2: Well, your first foray into acting was in elementary school

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Speaker 2: when you played Alice and Alice in Wonderland, and you

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Speaker 2: really got into that. Wanted the dress and everything, so

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Speaker 2: we had to go to Disneyland and get you the dress,

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Speaker 2: and you did that. But then you went with a

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Speaker 2: friend to a children's theater at a church in Redondo

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Speaker 2: then we were going to all go out and get

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Speaker 2: Hamburgers afterwards, and you ended up auditioning, as did your brother,

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Speaker 2: and you got the role of Sneezy in the Seven

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Speaker 2: Dwarfs and he got the role of Grumpy, and you

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Speaker 2: guys just enjoyed it so much. It's like you didn't

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Speaker 2: want to all you have an audition, but then you

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Speaker 2: got into it. And the wonderful thing about children's theater

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Speaker 2: was it allowed you to participate in everything, not just

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Speaker 2: in the roles that you were doing, but in painting

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Speaker 2: the sets and helping build the sets. And so from there,

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Speaker 2: somebody just happened to see you and your brother and

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Speaker 2: suggested it, and you really wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: It, suggested that I do acting.

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Speaker 2: That's usually an agent in everything, and your dad and

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Speaker 2: I discussed it and we were really like we were

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Speaker 2: basically still new to California and the whole thing kind

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Speaker 2: of like we weren't sure about it. And you looked

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Speaker 2: at us one day and you said, I have to

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Speaker 2: do this, mom, because I have to work with Michael Landon.

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Speaker 2: And at the time you had this rag doll named Drusilla,

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Speaker 2: and it was amazing because eventually that led to coming

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Speaker 2: to life. You played a role of Drusilla in Father Murphy,

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Speaker 2: which Michael created and brought you into and that really

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Speaker 2: started a lot. But before that, you had gone to

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Speaker 2: an agency which was actually an older lady in a

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Speaker 2: modeling agency, and she sent you to a children's agent

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Speaker 2: and they put you in Variety magazine and she started

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Speaker 2: getting all these phone calls and that led to you

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Speaker 2: doing the animated film The Secret of Nim with Don

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Speaker 2: de Lauis and the wonderful producer Don Bluth, and it

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Speaker 2: just kind of roll alone from there. You were with

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Speaker 2: wonderful people. It was a wonderful experience. You We did

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Speaker 2: what we needed to do and went there and came home.

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Speaker 2: Your dad would always drive us the night before to

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Speaker 2: next day for an audition, because I was not familiar

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Speaker 2: with Los Angeles at all, So how what do you

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Speaker 2: mean drive the night before? Like the auditions were in

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Speaker 1: No, we would just like, oh, we would just go.

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Speaker 1: We were driving to.

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Speaker 2: A location and he'd say, Okay, this is where you

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Speaker 2: that's funny. So it was a lot going on, and

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Speaker 2: it was a lot not just for you to learn

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Speaker 2: and your brother to learn, but it was a lot

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Speaker 2: for me to learn. And I learned how to get

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Speaker 2: just a whole learning experience for the whole family, I think,

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Speaker 2: and we were very cautious about it, and I think

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Speaker 2: just like you would be cautious about putting your children

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Speaker 1: Because ultimately, you know, I mean, we had obviously you

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Speaker 1: but Dad took him to whatever sports activities everything else.

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Speaker 1: But essentially, some people would assume that at least one

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Speaker 1: And as a child actor, I don't remember back then

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Speaker 1: it's been a while. Was it twelve hours or less?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I know you

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Speaker 2: had to. There were definite three hours of school every day, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, you guys, doesn't intense. Yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: But when you're talking about three hours of school, when

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Speaker 1: remember that there was a chunk of time that they

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Speaker 1: important education was for us, and you can't if you

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Speaker 2: And he was just really wonderful and the teachers that

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Speaker 2: And then as you got to older. When you got older,

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Speaker 2: and I remember one particular series you were on Our House.

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Speaker 2: were studying from the least the International School of France,

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Speaker 1: So eventually you also could speak French, because that was

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Speaker 1: lily Sae Francais, which is in fact the public school

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Speaker 2: And because on that particular show, on the show Our House,

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Speaker 1: I just remember Lillian being my teacher. Lillian was one

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Speaker 1: There were two other teachers. Maybe it's because I bonded

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Speaker 1: with Lina and Lynn was the base for you. She

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Speaker 2: And then someone came in for geometry I believe it was,

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Speaker 2: You got a good education, and it wasn't It wasn't

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Speaker 2: And going back to what it's like for a family

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Speaker 2: and for your brother, this is another tribute to Michael.

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Speaker 2: Michael allowed the crew and anybody working on the series

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Speaker 2: One time when somebody really wrecked nice. He had a

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Speaker 2: But he also loved theater more, and he took acting

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Speaker 1: Why I got into politics. Basically acting anyway, right, essentially

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Speaker 1: most of our politicians it's all acting, so Okay, that

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Speaker 1: we like you know you you took a what's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be a forty five minute podcast, you narrawed it

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Speaker 1: down to ten minutes. So no, there's a lot more.

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Speaker 1: We can't cover it all in one because then I'll

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Speaker 1: have nothing else to talk about, mom. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go back because I I remember my first job

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Speaker 1: being a pack bell commercial. You're right, and it was

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Speaker 1: for the Latin American market. Yes, the Spanish Hispanic. And

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Speaker 2: I think it was Carmen Zapata, right, veryst Hispanic actress.

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Speaker 1: She was fabulous and all I had to do was sleep.

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Speaker 2: outside of Tucson.

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Speaker 1: It was so hot. I have pictures of me in

436
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: the trailer with bandanas wrapped around my neck on my

437
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: forehead because people were passing out from the heat. And again,

438
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: when you wear buckskins, that's and a coonskin can and

439
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: a coonskin hat. So you would wrap bandanas, you would

440
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: dunk them in sea breeze. Ice. Yeah, so ice and

441
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: sea breeze, and then dunk your bandanas in and that

442
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: would keep you time around your neck cooler. But that

443
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: was a wild, fun experience. It was, well, that's the

444
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: first time we ever went anywhere by ourselves. You and

445
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: I boarded a plane.

446
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: Dad and Sean took us to the airport and we

447
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: got on the plane to Tucson. You had you had

448
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: a cowboy hat, you had a stroke cowboy hat because

449
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: you were going to cowboy country and we're so cute,

450
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: and you had Drew.

451
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Sillhow with you.

452
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: And when we got there, this big, heavy set man

453
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: was like so jolly and I we didn't know who

454
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: he was, but he was like he was taking care

455
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: of us and everything else. It ended up to be

456
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: an exec producer, Kim McCrae, who was wonderful and his

457
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: his later he married Susan McCray. It suckman at the time.

458
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: He married her, who was the head casting director for

459
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Michael's shows.

460
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: But it was it was such a beautiful experience. And

461
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: on your lunch break, you would come in and we

462
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: had everybody was in honeywagon. There were no special trailers

463
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: and you would take you would sleep during your lunch

464
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: and then you would it was so damn hot. Yeah,

465
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: you just needed like to recoup and then you could

466
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: always get you know, you always had food there. But

467
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, you slept, it was way too hot.

468
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was fun, very fun, cool, different experience.

469
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: I loved everyone, But remember what you got special every day.

470
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: I think Jack brought it to you what it was

471
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: because it's this old western town and they're open sometimes

472
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: for tourist type of root beer floats.

473
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's right, that's right, that's I think

474
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: it was Jack that brought me to what a nice

475
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: man he was.

476
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: And then you met his daughter who was doing a

477
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: little into the same age, but she was working at

478
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: times at the Zoo and Santa Barbara, and we went

479
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: up there. It's beautiful, it was. It was a beautiful

480
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: show to be on and beautiful people to work with.

481
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: So how did Father Murphy lead to Little House Father Murphy?

482
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Your particular episode on Father Murphy. It was a two

483
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: part episode. It pulled such high numbers from what I

484
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: was told that NBC was really interested and NBC was

485
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: really wanting to do something with you, and Michael was

486
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: holding back because Michael they wanted and all the director

487
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: and the producers on Father Murphy wanted him to put

488
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: you on Father Murphy. They wanted you on Father Murphy

489
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: and NBC. I think too that everybody wanted you to

490
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: come on Father Murphy and hold those ratings that you

491
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: were pulling from the two part episode. It wasn't really

492
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: about me, honestly, it was probably more about Jacqueline. But

493
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: it was also the writing. It was the episode, so

494
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: it was our director Bill. I remember how fantastic he was.

495
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: It was. It was just I mean, first off, the

496
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: show was really good, but those particular two episodes, I

497
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: think we're just so well written and struck a chord

498
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: with people, and your character left a lot.

499
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: It left a lot to work with and you were

500
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't you would have did. The boys were pretty much.

501
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: I can't remember what girl was on there. If there

502
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: was a I don't remember there was, yeah, and I

503
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: remember she was really pretty. And it was the first

504
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: time I'd ever sort of formed a crush, which really

505
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: paralleled my character because there was Scotty and there was Timothy,

506
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: and my character has the crush on the older boy Timothy,

507
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: but the younger boy has the crush on me and

508
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: their brothers. So the older one was all about his age.

509
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Beautiful stunning girl as opposed to me with my buck teeth,

510
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: and it's sort of paralleled real life. And I remember

511
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: it was it was my first kiss ever because Scotty

512
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: had to kiss me on the cheek. That's right, that's right.

513
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: He did. He did like a quick kiss on my

514
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: cheek for the show in the show, and I just

515
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: remember being a little embarrassed and being like, oh, why

516
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: can it be Timothy because you yeah, it's just and

517
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: that was that's nice.

518
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: That was nice that you were a little in embarrass

519
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: I would have been a little concern.

520
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was You're in front of a

521
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: whole crew and you're young, and it was just an

522
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: innocent like it was literally like a quick peck on

523
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the cheek. But for me it was still sort of like, oh,

524
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: this is this is crazy. What's happening right now? I

525
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: can't believe people are watching this. Okay, So how did

526
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: that lead to Little House? Mom? I'll tell you how,

527
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Here's what I happened. Is Michael Little

528
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: House on the Prairie was ending, but he was starting

529
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: a continuation of it called Little House in the New Beginning.

530
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: That was you know, Laura Ingalls and Almonzo and Victor

531
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: French was going to continue his role on it, better

532
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: known to me as Stinky, and Catherine McGregor was going

533
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: to stay. It was basically that Michael Karen Grassel, that

534
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: whole group Melissa Dina Anderson was leading was leaving, and

535
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: so it was all about Laura Ingles for the most part.

536
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, and he brought me in to do

537
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Little House in New Beginning, which I'm not sure how

538
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: many seasons it lasted, but I recall it being a

539
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: total four years of my life if I'm correct. If

540
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not, please a view er look it up and

541
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: tell me or a listener, Oh my gosh.

542
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: It's when Laura Ingles meets Almonzo and she married. She's

543
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: married to Almonzo Almonzo, but now she's moved on and

544
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: she's has a baby. Yes, and her niece, who is you?

545
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I was not her niece. I was Almonzo's niece.

546
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Somonzo's brother comes to visit with his daughter, which was

547
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: me Jenny Wilder, and he suffers a massive heart attack.

548
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: He knew he was sick, that's why he brought me there.

549
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: He dies and they essentially take me in and treat

550
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: me as their own sort of. I mean, I did

551
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: they ever do an official.

552
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: Adoption and that they did, I don't know, but basically,

553
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: they adopted you into their family.

554
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: This is turning into like a trivia episode, you guys.

555
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: So anything that we say we don't know or we're

556
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: not sure about, feel free to let me know what

557
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: it is. Did they have adoption official adoption back then?

558
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. So right, So he brought me in

559
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: and I just remember being seriously overjoyed that I got

560
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: to work with Michael again because he was so kind

561
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: and so funny and so witty and so smart. So

562
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: little house actually getting the job? Did I do remember?

563
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Did I have to audition for it? I don't believe

564
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: you auditioned.

565
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: I just believe you went in and you just you

566
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: met with them, and they just wanted to see because

567
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: you'd grown. It was a couple of years or whatever

568
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: you had, you had grown. You weren't that little girl

569
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: you were like now you were taller you were, you

570
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: had grown, and they just I think, you're just just

571
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: meeting with you again. That's all, just seeing you saying hi,

572
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 2: and that was it.

573
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: And I got the job, which was thrilling and exciting.

574
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: Very exciting, and to be on the lot when we

575
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: were on a lot, to be on the MGM lot

576
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: because it was MGM back then. Yes, And in the

577
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: old MGM all, the kids would go to the cafeteria.

578
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean it was people who had been there for years,

579
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: and the security guards. You would drive in every morning

580
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: and they would hello, and they would say our names.

581
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Even my name. They were really nice. We were just like,

582
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful lot to be on. And then

583
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: sometimes we would shoot at Disney Ranch yep, the outdoor stuff.

584
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: And then other times we would shoot what Tapenga do

585
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: you remember? Oh?

586
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: It was Seemi Valley, Tepo Canyon. That's where else I saw, right,

587
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: they sent wranglers out in the mornings before everybody came

588
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: to Yeah, check everything.

589
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never had a problem with Rattlesnake's I still

590
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: don't you do though, But well that's a whole other episode. Mom,

591
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: you and nature. She's like, I'll never be a lot

592
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: of nature. I just don't like to be, you know,

593
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: sometimes it rebels against you. But again that's a different episode.

594
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: So all right, so I've gone on Little House. I

595
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: think it was a four year time period. And one

596
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes I did was with Ralph Bellamy. Well,

597
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: that's something else that Michael did. He brought in, like

598
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: via Miles, he brought in wonderful people and wrote wonderful

599
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: episodes that gave you such a beautiful experience, and it

600
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: was just it was really exciting to see that part

601
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: of what the experience of being in the business. Yeah.

602
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember what that episode was called, but it

603
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: was Michael wrote it, Michael directed it, and it was

604
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Ralph Bellamy played country doctor that was losing his eyesight,

605
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: and oh it makes me cry. He was so good

606
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: and he basically wasn't really able to take on patience

607
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: anymore because it was losing, as I say, and my

608
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: character lost. I was with my friends and the lockett

609
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: that my father was pretty much the only thing I

610
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: had from my dad that he gave me had somehow

611
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: fallen off in the pond slash lake, and I dove

612
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: down to get it, and my character got stuck under

613
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: like trees and brush and I was down there for

614
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: far too long. And so when they finally found me

615
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: and brought me up, I couldn't speak properly. I stuttered.

616
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't spit out words. I couldn't formulate the words.

617
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: I had a limp. And I remember the big, huge

618
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: water tank on the sound stage. A human aquarium is

619
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: what I was big. And again Michael was directing, so

620
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: he was very concerned about my safety and he made

621
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: me feel good.

622
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: He talked to me about He took me aside and

623
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 2: explained everything.

624
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he just he did have to tell me

625
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: a couple of times to stop holding my breath with

626
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: my cheeks puffed out, because supposedly, like I'm I've now

627
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: drowned and I'm no longer breathing, but my cheeks. I

628
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: would I would. I would hold my breath so it

629
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: would seem like I was no longer conscious, but I

630
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: would puff out my cheeks with all the air that

631
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: I had sucked in before I went down to get

632
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: in position. So I don't know, there might be I

633
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: would have to look that episode up and see if

634
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: I ever actually did that right. I might not have.

635
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I somehow recalled that I saw it a long time ago,

636
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, look at my

637
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: cheeks puffed out. There was another stump woman doing that.

638
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: You did the whole thing. But he was, Oh, I'm

639
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to find the photo. There's a photo of

640
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: me wrapped up in a bathrobe with Michael and he's

641
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: talking to me and directing me, and I'm looking at

642
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: him with such adoration because I did. I adored him.

643
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: He was a mentor. He very much can't appreciate, but

644
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: he appreciated your interest because you would like, instead of

645
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: going off to play, you would come and you would

646
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: sit behind camera and Teddy Boitlander, Teddy Boightlander, one of

647
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: the best dps of all times photographers.

648
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: You were interested, You had such an interest, and you

649
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: nobody ever had to tell you your mark anything. You just

650
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: you were so totally wrapped in it. You just you

651
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Speaker 2: couldn't get enough of it.

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00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: It was like, Yeah, Teddy taught me all about different lenses,

653
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: and he would have me sit behind the camera and

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Speaker 1: learn how to operate and then teach me about the lenses.

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Speaker 1: And he gave me a list of books on lighting

656
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: that I still have, like the Face on Her Light.

657
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: There are just some extraordinary books that I still pick

658
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: up today and I certainly use them. When I was

659
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: directing Charmed and the web thing, I did music videos.

660
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: I still sort of look at those books that show

661
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: Little House shaved me in so many ways, and it

662
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: still is the best experience of my entire career, and

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Speaker 1: as a parent, because you hear so many negative things

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Speaker 1: about children working in the industry and everything. But as

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Speaker 1: a parent, and you know, I had questions in the beginning,

666
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be sure, but you were with

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Speaker 1: the right person. You were with the right people.

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Speaker 2: And it's a parent watching this and watching them taking

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Speaker 2: note of your interests and you're intelligent to see it

670
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: and to grasp it. And they just they were thrilled

671
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: with you as you were with them about wanting to learn.

672
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: They were as still about teaching you. Yeah, and so

673
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: it was just really and I was just it was

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00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: a very comfortable thing as a parent to see that

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Speaker 2: they didn't just treat you as some kid that like,

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Speaker 2: you know, oh, just you did this, now, go go

677
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Speaker 2: your room or whatever.

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00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: They just always was were there for you and the Okay,

679
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: So going back to the Ralph Fellamy in the episode,

680
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: So I drowned a little bit and and I lose

681
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: my speech and I have a limp, and I am

682
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: the last patient of this country doctor essentially, because everybody

683
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: else is saying they can't do anything for me, if

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00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: I recall correctly. And Ra Fellamy again one of the

685
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: most prolific character actors. He was in Trading Spaces. He's

686
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: just phenomenal. He lived in New York, very old school,

687
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: and he had this little licorice candy stillies. I think

688
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: that always came. Which, by the way, you have them,

689
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: you always have them. I always have them, have stillies, hastillies, yes,

690
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: And so he would. He would always bring me a

691
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: ten and he got me hooked on those. But we

692
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: just bonded, and I remember he would write me letters afterwards.

693
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: We would we were like pin pals for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He would sit by you.

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00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean you could either one of you could have

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00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: gone and done anything, and while they're setting up for

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00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: another scene or something, but he the two of you

698
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: would sit there in your chairs and you would have

699
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: these conversations. You would talk to you and you would

700
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: each have a little licorice once in a while. And

701
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: it was amazing.

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00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: And I always tried to like give space. I didn't

703
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: want to hover. I wasn't gonna whether it was whatever

704
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: it was.

705
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: I was not the mother that was going to leave

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Speaker 2: my children or put them with somebody else to take

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00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: care of. It's like if I can't, if I can't

708
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: watch over my kids especially, this was like really nothing

709
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: we had ever been familiar with. I was going to

710
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: be there. If not, then you weren't. But it just

711
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: to sit back, and I always try to sit, and

712
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: of course you would always at some point come and

713
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: sit on my lap, and you even did that my

714
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: own Charmed and all the others. You would always come

715
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: sit on my lap at some point. But it was

716
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: amazing just sit and watch you and Rap Blamey sit

717
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: there and have this relationship.

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00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Nowadays, I don't sit on your lap, but my legs do. Yeah,

719
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: watch TV while I watched TV. So this is just

720
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of amazing because when I think about

721
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: the long span of my career, but also how rough

722
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: some jobs were and unenjoyable to be a part of

723
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: a little bit toxic. It was really the experience on

724
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Little House that spurred that passion on for being an actor.

725
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: And it was having a mentor like Michael Landon. And

726
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Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody else's experience was, Like I

727
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: know the truth about that man, and he was just

728
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: unbelievable so so so talented, so kind, so considerate, and

729
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: it really helped shape me. And he was incredibly caring

730
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: for my entire family, not just you and me. He

731
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: was caring for Dad and for Sean. And he actually

732
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: sent your dad to a doctor at UCLA that was

733
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Red duel Stein. I clink that was very hard to

734
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Speaker 1: get into it. He he knew that because he had

735
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: took the time to talk to your dad and know him,

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Speaker 1: and that's how he knew that, and in order to

737
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: give your dad that opportunity. So yeah, I know, he

738
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: was very he was. He was very interesting man. All Right,

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00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: you guys, there is going to be a part two

740
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: of this because a we have more to talk about

741
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Little House, but also what came after Little House. We

742
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: haven't even Cliffwood Avenue kids. What's Cliffwood Avenue kids? Like,

743
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: we see we skipped right over an we'll make notes.

744
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: We didn't one of the best casting directors. Yes, so

745
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: we'll talk all about that. We'll talk about the transition

746
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Speaker 1: into our House Wilfred Brimley, which.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching now on some network. I know, I like

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00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: last night you were watching it and you walked in

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00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: and I always like, what like this is so weird.

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00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: I walked right out. I say, yeah, you can't. I can't,

751
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, listen, Let's be clear. Is a diary, it's

752
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: a memoir. It's also about the present. It's also about

753
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the future. Right now with my mom, we're going to

754
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: do a little bit of the past. So please, I

755
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this episode. It's so special for my

756
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: mom and I to be able to do this and

757
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: memory share our memories with all of you because there's

758
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: so many positive ones, so many beautiful ones that that

759
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: that will have forever, like just moments between mother and daughter.

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00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: That's incredibly incredibly special. Don't cry, mama. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: there'll be a part two. So thank you so much

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00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: for listening to be Clear with Shannon Doherty. And let's

763
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: think my mama, Mama Rosa. She's already tearing up. So

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Speaker 1: bye you guys, Thank you so much. Bye guys,