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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be a little sick to love this game.

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Speaker 1: And we got some sicos.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily where yes, it is a Saturday

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Speaker 3: Sickos Show, Episode two. Thank you to Josh Allen for

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Speaker 3: introducing us each and every Saturday. It's me and it's

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Speaker 3: Ali Connolly over in Manchester, England. He has been grinding

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Speaker 3: the tape and we got a fun show. Ali. We

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Speaker 3: are doing an all underrated team only on the offense

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Speaker 3: today because we decided we would go too long to

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Speaker 3: try to stick in an entire team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even just defense. My eyes naturally with my background,

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Speaker 1: go to the defensive side of the bowl. We would

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Speaker 1: probably spend two hours just on linebackers. And I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy the cicicos can all join us. All

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Speaker 1: the people doing the Saturday commutes tridging into wood seeing

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Speaker 1: we need daily on the weekends sickos can unite here

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 3: I love it. So wait, did you scout defense more

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Speaker 3: when it was your job or that's just naturally what

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Speaker 3: you like?

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Speaker 1: Yes, six years exclusively as a linebackers scout just linebackers

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Speaker 1: and then yeah, you filter everything through what the linebacker

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Speaker 1: just kind of feeds into everything else, and how people

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Speaker 1: attack them is kind of how I view the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the game. So yes, more defense than offense.

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Speaker 3: That really outlines some of your analysis over the years.

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Speaker 3: You've been good on like Edgerrin Cooper, and you do

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Speaker 3: just the light goes on in your eyes when you're

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Speaker 3: talking linebackers. We'll get to the defense, well, I think

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Speaker 3: we'll do that next week because I love this exercise.

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Speaker 3: We'll go through the offensive positions. Ali's going to carry

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Speaker 3: me on the offensive line. I don't want to start

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Speaker 3: with quarterback because that was the toughest one for me,

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Speaker 3: and I don't just want to start where I struggled.

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Speaker 3: So why don't we start with the running back position?

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Speaker 3: And I will let you go first, like we can

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Speaker 3: give extra people their flowers. So if you know, if

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Speaker 3: you want to mention the honorable mentions that you consider that,

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Speaker 3: that's totally fine. But start off with who is your

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Speaker 3: all underrated running back?

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Speaker 1: This is difficult because it's difficult to know where to

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Speaker 1: place the what is rated pop Where does some more

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Speaker 1: fall in the underrated versus overrated? Because I feel as

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Speaker 1: Devon ay Chan's season is kind of been underrated. His

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Speaker 1: start just graze underrated almost historically, and the play style

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Speaker 1: is different. The guy I just keep returning to is

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Speaker 1: being like, I think this guy really really has the

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Speaker 1: goods is Kyle Manongai. And it's tough to throw a

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Speaker 1: rookie onto an all underrated team, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're overlooking at us so slightly. How impressive he's been

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Speaker 1: as a fifth round pick stepping into that offense.

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Speaker 3: That is great, and I would I would like to

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Speaker 3: go back to h and for a little so Managui

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Speaker 3: runs with a ton of juice. What else do you see?

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Speaker 3: Just you know from like learning the position perspective that

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Speaker 3: that's impressed you as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: The aggressiveness is the thing that just pops of, like whoa.

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Speaker 1: This guy attacks the line like very few people. And

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Speaker 1: when you see DeAndre Swift, who is way more hesitant,

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Speaker 1: he's got more top end speed, he's more of the

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Speaker 1: home run hitter, Manonguy just comes down with violence like

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Speaker 1: very few guys you see walk the league and just

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Speaker 1: pass pro stuff you get the real downside with DeAndre Swift,

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Speaker 1: a full panoramic view of what's happening in front of you,

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Speaker 1: and you go through the DeAndre Swift snaps, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: this thing is a roller coaster. He's in the wrong

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Speaker 1: He's in the right spot every single time, and he

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Speaker 1: So I am really really bullish on what his future

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Speaker 3: So you think they have found their version of David

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Speaker 3: Montgomery for lack of a better comp They've kind of

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Speaker 1: Years, probably being like the frustrating fancy guy because the

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Speaker 1: Is what I imaged is he's gonna be Whiles Ben Jones, Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's OK. Hey, if if David Montgomery is

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Speaker 3: the ceiling, that's a pretty good ceiling, even for fantasy.

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Speaker 3: By the way, like he helped my son Walker to

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Speaker 3: a couple titles a couple of years ago. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: there is something about running backs where like you you

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Speaker 3: can't teach there's no metric exactly for runs his face

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Speaker 3: very often it is the young running backs that lead

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Speaker 3: the league in that h Chan is a different style

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Speaker 3: of runner. I don't know why I've like maybe been

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Speaker 3: too low on him compared to consensus over the years.

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Speaker 3: Is the year that he won me over. He should

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Speaker 3: have won it before. But as like a totally complete back,

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Speaker 3: what have you seen just in terms of his development,

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Speaker 3: if we're going I give him an honorable mention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think him just being viewed as a speed

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Speaker 1: That he really does have toughness between the tackles. It's

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Speaker 1: not like he's gonna do the manunguy stuff as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: kind of just run through people's faces, but there is

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Speaker 1: and go make plays. But having started in the interior

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I considered a few people, though they were

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Speaker 3: not among them. I kind of like yours. I was like,

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Speaker 3: is Jalen Warren still underrated? I've always loved Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been as good or better this year

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Speaker 3: than ever. He just forces miss tackles. Javonte Williams is

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Speaker 3: he's gotten thrown in with the entire Cowboys offense. He's

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Speaker 3: he's better, I think than he's ever been, and better

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Speaker 3: way I want to start. It's like, what, but I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go with a second year player, quibanie Videll. I

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Speaker 3: love me a and you look very surprised, and I

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Speaker 3: everything well as like a late round draft pick. And

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm a little, you know, too much of a

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Speaker 3: Raiders where you know, he busted a million miss force tackles.

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Speaker 3: But when I went back through like his tape, he's

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Speaker 3: forced a ton of miss tackles all year. He's in

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Speaker 3: the top you know, five or six in terms of

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Speaker 3: miss tackles force per. You know, run and he presses

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Speaker 3: the hole like he's pretty patient. But when he makes

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Speaker 3: a decision to go like he goes. He's good in

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Speaker 3: pass protection, Like I did watch a decent amount of that,

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Speaker 3: and so he was like a little more juice than

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Speaker 3: I expected. He is not a guy to build an

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Speaker 3: Naja Harris, to me, he can be a long term,

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Speaker 3: really good one bee, so to get that out of

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Speaker 3: your sixth round pick, and I think he is my

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Speaker 3: comp for him long term, maybe not exactly playing style,

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Speaker 3: but a bigger guy who almost plays in some ways

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Speaker 3: like a smaller guy more agile, like a Chester Taylor

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Speaker 3: type who was the backup to Jamal Lewis and then

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Speaker 3: But it's just good in a tandem. I like kimani

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Speaker 3: Vidal and I know the Chargers like him a lot,

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Speaker 3: and I think he's gonna be there as a nice

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Speaker 3: one bee behind Hampton over the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really fun, good shout the past person.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as there with you on that. So he's

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Speaker 1: and you can't figuret who was supposed to be picking

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Speaker 1: The picking things up and being in the right positions

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Speaker 1: I think is still a challenge. But hey, the profile

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Speaker 1: what everyone is looking for. And that's why people don't

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Speaker 1: go and spend the sixth overall pick on running backs

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Speaker 1: because you can pick up a commandy via the later

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Speaker 3: Right. And he's not a guy, And I know he

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Speaker 3: had the fifty yard touchdown and he's had some big plays,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think of him as some sort of

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Speaker 3: speed guy. But so many of his good plays this

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Speaker 3: year is where he reads the play correctly that he

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Speaker 3: should just bounce it right away and he does beat

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Speaker 3: everyone to the edge in the In the Steelers game,

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Speaker 3: for instance, that was more up the middle, but Patrick

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Speaker 3: Queen must have missed four tackles against him.

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Speaker 2: And I know Patrick Queen, Yeah, that's not the craziest

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Speaker 2: thing I know, but that was one game, Like he

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Speaker 2: literally could not tackle kimani bydel So I just feel

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Speaker 2: like he hasn't gotten a lot of poppy.

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Speaker 3: Was not a guy I thought had much upside. I'm

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Speaker 3: not even sure the Chargers did either, because he bounced

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Speaker 3: around on their practice squad and he was not in

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Speaker 3: the plans for this year, but I liked him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Quinshawn Juggins is another guy who's who I just think,

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Speaker 3: in a better system, would would be living it up.

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Speaker 3: We saw him live and like, who would you take

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Speaker 3: right now? Between Judkins and Ashton gent Y long term?

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Speaker 1: Not close. I would take Queen Shawn Judkins. I honestly

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Speaker 1: think that if Queen Shawn Judkins just played behind a stable,

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Speaker 1: okayish offensive line, that he would already be considered like

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Speaker 1: the fullth or fifth best back in the league. Behind

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Speaker 1: those guys you can just do everything. He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be the guy who can do everything for you. But

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Speaker 1: in terms of everyone, every single fan base going, why

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Speaker 3: But how about Wandell Robinson just being in the top

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Speaker 3: ten of receivers in the NFL. How about Wandell Because

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Speaker 3: when I watched them the last few years and they

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Speaker 3: like it almost became a joke how he was their

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Speaker 3: entire offense last year a seven yard pass to Wandel

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Speaker 3: Brom But I always thought like, well, that's not his

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Speaker 3: fault and he can play a role for a good

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Speaker 3: team and they're asking him to do more. But the

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Speaker 3: fact that like he's doing a little more downfield, he

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Speaker 3: has had a few more contested catches, it's not a

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Speaker 3: great idea to do that. He has gotten leveled on

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Speaker 3: some throws from Jackson Dart and Jamis Winston this year

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Speaker 3: and he hasn't come up with all of them, but

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Speaker 3: he has held on to a different amount. I just

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Speaker 3: like he is maximizing the guy that I think Wandell

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Speaker 3: Robinson can be he's gonna end up with like a

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Speaker 3: twelve hundred yards season thrown into his career. So shout

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Speaker 3: out to Wander Robinson, just give.

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Speaker 1: My guy in that carrier will be Jacoby Mayas, who

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Speaker 1: I know you've discussed a bunch on the show. He

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Speaker 1: gets an addo amount of love on NFL Daily for

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Speaker 1: that that kind of player, but his toughness in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field and him joining the Jackson Them saying,

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Speaker 1: now our offense is built around you and Brenton Strange.

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Speaker 1: That is the offense. Forget Brian Thomas Junior. Travis Hunter's

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Speaker 1: gone down. Liams like, I finally have my guy. It

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Speaker 1: was Jacoby Mayas all along and now the offense works.

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Speaker 1: That to me is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Wait, so is Brenton Strange one of your tight

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Speaker 3: ends because he is one of mine.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he almost has to be. Because the

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Speaker 1: underrated aspect is that Leam Cohen got to Jacksonville. We're

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Speaker 1: all excited about them trading up for Travis Hunter. Them

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Speaker 1: having Brian Thomas Junior, who just looks so sensational as

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Speaker 1: a rookie, was completely uncoverable as a rookie, was basically

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Speaker 1: open every other play when he was like investing in

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Speaker 1: running what they're asked him to do. Liam Cohen gets says, like,

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Speaker 1: I am, I'd be in the lab. I'm one of

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Speaker 1: the geniuses of the league, and I've decided to design

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Speaker 1: my entire offense around Brenton Strange. That was what he

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Speaker 1: came up without it and it worked. And then Brentan

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Speaker 1: Strange goes down and the offense doesn't work. He returns,

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Speaker 1: it works again.

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Speaker 3: So when you say they design their entire offense out

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Speaker 3: of Brenton Strange, maybe explain for the listeners how you

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Speaker 3: mean that. Because even though he has been productive and

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Speaker 3: he you know, he missed that month with the injury

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Speaker 3: and immediately productive when he comes back, it's not like

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Speaker 3: off the charts production. So when you say the whole

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Speaker 3: offense is kind of a round Strange, what do you

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Speaker 3: mean by that?

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Speaker 1: What they do with formationally, with the strength of the formation,

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Speaker 1: how they get to their base run game, or the

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Speaker 1: pulling of movement and creativity they want to do is

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Speaker 1: based on him being the guy who can pin and

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Speaker 1: play like a tackle, so you can pull a move

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Speaker 1: guys around him as though you had no lineman in

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Speaker 1: the then you get the overlay of the play action

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Speaker 1: and being pretty neutral and balanced in your drop back

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Speaker 1: game because you feel like he can threaten the seam too.

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Speaker 1: And it's the exact same description of Kate. Often it's

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Speaker 1: can you block on the move? Can you sit and

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Speaker 1: pin like an offensive tackle when we're up with the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and can you slice across the formation

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Speaker 1: of what people on the move? Those are usually two

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Speaker 1: separate skill set with tight ends. The NFL is either

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Speaker 1: the big guys who blog and can drive people vertically,

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Speaker 1: or you get more of the Dallas Gotta who is

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable blocker on the move. Those are two distinct

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Speaker 1: skill sets. Typically, he can do it all and so

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Speaker 1: it opens up every single thing you want to do

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Speaker 1: as an offense is only viable because one guy can

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Speaker 1: do three key functions for the entire like build of

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Speaker 1: the offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was my first thought for this too,

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Speaker 3: So I started looking like, are they using him differently

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Speaker 3: than a year ago? Now? In terms of him being

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Speaker 3: like in line or in the slot, it's about the same.

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Speaker 3: He's sixty percent in line, he's twenty five percent in

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Speaker 3: the slot. You know, they put him in the backfield

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Speaker 3: or out wide a significant amount of plays. But certainly

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Speaker 3: he's not majoring in that, and it wasn't that different before.

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Speaker 3: But he's moving. He just moves really fluid.

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Speaker 1: He is.

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Speaker 3: He has great ball skills. I mean, Trevor Lawrence's percentage

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Speaker 3: is throwing to Breton Strange are so much higher than

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Speaker 3: anyone else. And they're not all short passes like he's

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Speaker 3: come up with some ground balls. He's come up with

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Speaker 3: some high throws from Trevor Lawrence. So he's good at that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, to my eye, he is a good blocker,

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Speaker 3: like a very good blocker in the running game that

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Speaker 3: I've seen, and it's just maybe the prototype of like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: tight ends take take a minute to really develop. It's

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Speaker 3: such a hard position and I've loved watching him this year.

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Speaker 3: Give me another one of your tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Has to be Aj Barner with the Seahals, which is

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Speaker 1: a very similar thing with Cohen and Strange, as with

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Speaker 1: Kubiak and bon Who gets to Seattle and they've got

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Speaker 1: all the fun pieces on the permitter and he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to design the offense around Aj Bonner. The

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Speaker 1: we have to have tight ends staying to block a

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Speaker 1: hoole bunch. They developed this true undescented drop back passing game,

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Speaker 1: trying to throw it back to like the nineties every

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Speaker 1: single time. For the first eight weeks this season, they

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Speaker 1: dropped back from one ascent to which was a decent amount.

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Speaker 1: Donald's eyes were immediately on AJ Barnett. That was all

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Speaker 1: they were looking to do, is the payoff play of

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Speaker 1: us selling that it's even going to be play action.

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Speaker 1: So there's like a bit of a delay in what

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Speaker 1: we're going to do as a defense or fitting up against.

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Speaker 1: The room was just to try and find AJ Bonne

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Speaker 1: down the scene. That's like the entire point of the offense.

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Speaker 1: I would just would not have expect to go into

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Speaker 1: a year that that would have been one of their

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Speaker 1: like a plus game planances we gotta find Bonner. That's

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Speaker 1: just not what you would have thought. No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious at the comparison of these two guys

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Speaker 3: because maybe I'm overstadi it. But if I made a list,

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Speaker 3: is Breton strange to me? Just quality? He might be

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Speaker 3: a top ten all around tight end. Now I think

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Speaker 3: he is. Is AJ Barner potentially getting to that level

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Speaker 3: of overall play possibly?

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Speaker 1: I think strangers significantly better running off the ball on

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Speaker 1: the blocking game. You can do more with him in

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Speaker 1: the blocking game was with Bonn and they tried to

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Speaker 1: get him some kind of help or the tried to

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Speaker 1: cheat the mechanics to get him out of there as

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Speaker 1: quickly as possible. Whereas I just think there's more on

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Speaker 1: the menu with Brenton Strange as sentence, I never thought

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Speaker 1: I would say it's like everything is on the menu

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Speaker 1: because Brenton Strange is on your team. I think Bonn

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Speaker 1: is a little bit more limited. But still if you

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Speaker 1: look at the top ten guys, to me, it's a

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Speaker 1: distinction of do we have a play making guy. That's

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Speaker 1: the number one thing anyway, I don't care if we

567
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Speaker 1: can do everything. If we've got a better guy than

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Speaker 1: they have, I'd Robert has have Trey McBride, l sem

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Speaker 1: Lapoult or something just gonna make plays the way some

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Speaker 1: of these other guys won't be able to do. If

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Speaker 1: you get into that all around cat degree, which I

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Speaker 1: think is a distinctive CT degree, then for this season alone,

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Speaker 1: Bond would be in the top five.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm and I am putting two tight ends

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Speaker 3: on the field. Sorry Wan Dale, My other options would

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Speaker 3: be Ronde gatst and who is somehow having like one

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Speaker 3: of the most monstrous rookie tight end seasons ever, and

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Speaker 3: yet I feel like he's underrated just so I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to give him a shout. And he's certainly not

580
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Speaker 3: that all around guy, but Danny moves well like he

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Speaker 3: is an incredible weapon for that offense. Hunter Henry just

582
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Speaker 3: for being old, reliable, and a lot of their offense.

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Speaker 3: I think what you're saying about building it and not

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Speaker 3: like it's built around Hunter Henry, but he he is

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Speaker 3: a foundational piece of one of the best offenses in

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Speaker 3: the league. He would finish. And then I don't know

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Speaker 3: if we've now gassed up Darnel Washington enough. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: even qualify here, but we at least got to give

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Speaker 3: him a shout out.

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Speaker 1: That is the concern. You know. I love don I'll

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Speaker 1: wash him more than some members of my family. He's

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Speaker 1: really important to just my life and my well being.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like he's become almost like a meme

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Speaker 1: at this point that he's like close to maybe being

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Speaker 1: slightly overstated for his impact. I do think he's a guy.

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Speaker 1: If you gave him to Josh McDaniels would be like,

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Speaker 1: we'd be talking about something really special. He's stuck with

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Speaker 1: Art the Smith and he's throwing John nib out there

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Speaker 1: all the time.

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Speaker 3: All right, who would you throw out there? Then? I agree,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't really fit the exercise between Gadsden and and

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Speaker 3: Hunter Henry all reliable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tunges hasn't played as much. Tounges looks really

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Speaker 1: really impressive, like really impressive, Yeah, really impressive. Who else

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Speaker 1: would I throw?

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Speaker 3: No, I wanted I was asking, I'm not putting you

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Speaker 3: out spot to choose between Gadston and Henry for my second.

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Speaker 1: I can't go with Hunter Henry. I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: They do design an awful lot of around him, but

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Speaker 1: he's also like the fail point from all that base

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Speaker 1: of you, all those rushing figures being a disaster, not

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Speaker 1: just because the offensive line isn't good enough, Like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fail that happens when he's up at

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Speaker 1: the point of attack. So maybe lean Gadston, but no,

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Speaker 1: he has no idea the kind of all around him.

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Speaker 1: Back Now, if you're doing two tight ends, we need

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Speaker 1: the playmaking guy. So then you throw he throw Gatston

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Speaker 1: on the team.

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Speaker 3: He is that playmaking guy. He is my slot. I

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Speaker 3: like my team so far. Let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna come back and we're gonna do the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: and Ali is gonna run through his all underrated offensive

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Speaker 3: back on NFL Daily Hope. And Ali is not too

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Speaker 3: mad at me for including Mari Lassiter in the Alec

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Speaker 3: Pierce dunk on him Highlight Crew. Real. I know, I

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Speaker 3: know you're a big Lassiter fan. You can throw him

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Speaker 3: out there for the for the defensive team.

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Speaker 1: We'll get the the only negative play he's had all season.

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Speaker 1: You managed to find the film.

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Speaker 3: It's brutal. It's fair, that's fair. Okay, let's get to quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know where to go. I guess it's partly

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Speaker 3: because of the position, like what is underrated at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I could have chosen a million quarterbacks here, or it

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Speaker 3: was very difficult to choose just one. So I'll put

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Speaker 3: you on the hot seat to start.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found this the toughest one just because I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's covered so well as a position that

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Speaker 1: everyone feels well slotted. There's still an element of me

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Speaker 1: about how many years can I go on saying that

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Speaker 1: I feel like Jared Goff is under discussed for an

641
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Speaker 1: undervalued for what he does. Jordan Love I just feel

642
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Speaker 1: is so special, yet still gets thrown into a camp

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Speaker 1: of like, is he isn't he? And I just think

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Speaker 1: that he is, so I toyed with that. The one

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Speaker 1: I settled on was Bryce Young in the sense that

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Speaker 1: I think he's an NFL calibristart, and yet there's still

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Speaker 1: conversation of should they pick up the options, should they

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Speaker 1: not pick up the option? What will the extension look like?

649
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Speaker 1: And it's pretty hard to find NFL caliberstats is even

650
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: with the number one overall pick, it's pretty tough to do.

651
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: You go look at the recent history of that thing.

652
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: It's not strung. And I think that Bryce's development has

653
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: been fascinating this season in a bunch of like under

654
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: the hoodways that give me some confidence that he can

655
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: at least be league average for a sustained degree of

656
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: his career. And that's no poll thing. And so I

657
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: think he's become slightly underrated for the actual player he is.

658
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: That's that's fascinating to me, because I know you've had

659
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: your doubts about him. I have given up listening to

660
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: the read optional for lent or no just for this show,

661
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: for the Saturday Sico show. But everyone should check out

662
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: Ali's great podcasts with John Ledyard. It is worth signing

663
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: up for his sub stack for the writing and for

664
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: the podcast. And you've wondered, you know, in the offseason,

665
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: whether Bryce Young was really like a great fit for

666
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: what this Dave Canalis offense was trying to be when

667
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: it was trying to be so traditional. And it has

668
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: been an up and down year for Young, Like the

669
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: good games have been incredible. The bad games, especially early

670
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: in the season, like some of his first quar orders

671
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: were just disastrous. What has he done in terms of

672
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: development under the hood you're talking about that you've seen

673
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: that gets him on this list.

674
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Speaker 1: I just think the level of mental and physical toughness

675
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: is like the super skill he has people. When I've

676
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: already talked about Bryshuing, I wrote this giant column in

677
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: the off season about Bryshung where I effectively have like

678
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a mental breakdown trying to figure out a player I

679
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: just couldn't understand. I just couldn't get with what was

680
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: happening with him in his development. And I've got asked

681
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: when I've done the podcast rounds about that piece of well,

682
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: what is the super skill? And I think the super

683
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: skill is the intellect and the toughness. And there's been

684
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: plenty of guys who've had unbelievable careers where those are

685
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: the two super skills, And so his ability to stay

686
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: composed on the fire has limited. There have still been

687
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: disaster plays. You go and watch the Niners game. This

688
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: disaster plays everywhere. I get it, but it's less than

689
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: it used to be. And he's still in an ill

690
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: fitting setup, which gives me belief that if it was

691
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: slightly more well suited to his natural game, which is

692
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: in the gun playing point guard, which they can't do

693
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: at the moment because the team around him and because

694
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: the way the coach wants to play, that he could

695
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: have a stronger crime, be a viable start, which is

696
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: just not where certainly I was at at the end

697
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: of even less season.

698
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Speaker 3: I don't think the fifth year option decision is that difficult.

699
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: I did say a month ago on the show that

700
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be an important that

701
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: was coming off his worst game of the year. It

702
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: was going to be an important stretch run for him,

703
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: because if he threw in a lot more games like that,

704
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: and it didn't show development. Would they bring in competition

705
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: in the offseason for him. He's had some of his

706
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: best games of the season since then, so that I

707
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: think is going to put that to bed, and the

708
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: fifth year option decision to me is less difficult even

709
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: if they ever wanted to bring another quarterback there. It's

710
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: twenty six point five million dollars at this point. That's

711
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: pretty low for like a starting quarterback. Even if you

712
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 3: don't low like love him, you just have to kind

713
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: of get used to what the salary cap numbers are.

714
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: That's low, Like he could not even have his starting

715
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: job going into his fifth year, and that's not that

716
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: crazy or be battling you. You got to see the development.

717
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I've been compying him to Alex Smith

718
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: his whole career in terms of what his career art

719
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: could be, especially with that brutal rookie year bounce back

720
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: to just stable second year, and I think he's sort

721
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: of still on that path, even if they're different players.

722
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's a weird one because I

723
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: was so down and dower on Dave Kanala's and how

724
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: he kind of viewed the game and went about coaching

725
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: get particularly how he approached Bryce early on. Then I

726
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: was really impressed with how he completely overall this systant

727
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to be like, I just got to accept who my

728
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: quarteback is and I'm going to roll with that that

729
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I've now pivoted to being if you had to pick

730
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: one of the two of them, I would pick Canalas

731
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: over Bryce Shung, and I would be all for bringing

732
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: competition and saying, for example, if they had cam Ward

733
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: in that system right now, would be I think better

734
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: and a way better long term fit. But I just

735
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: think that Bryce's skill set has showed me that if

736
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: he went and he was the Cardinals quart back next

737
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: season or whatever it was, that he would be a

738
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: viable starter, even with the concerns people have. I think

739
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: the touch, the downfield throw a no false script creativity.

740
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: He has a super process in his head. He just

741
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: sees things and reacts so quickly to everything that's happening

742
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: that he could have a Alex Smith career is a

743
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: great example that he could have in eight years. He

744
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: gets with his wife, his version of Andy Reid is

745
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and the team is really good and competitive, but he's

746
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: just never going to quite be one of the fifty

747
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: twelve best quotesbacks in the league on a given season.

748
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Speaker 3: And if he's twenty four years old and he's got

749
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: that super processor in his head, that's going to get better,

750
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: and that advantage could become a bigger advantage as he

751
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: has more time in the league. So I like that

752
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: shout out. I like Dak was where I started to land,

753
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: and I might get there. I'm going to just talk

754
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: it through with you and we'll decide, because I just

755
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: think he's been incredible this year's he's having a peak

756
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: that year, which means he's as good as any quarterback

757
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: in the entire NFL. And so to me, that is

758
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: for how he's talked about, he is underrated lower on

759
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: the list. There are some options now the way I've

760
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: heard people talk about Mac Jones of like, hey, you

761
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: could trade for mac Jones and make them the guy

762
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 3: in New York. It's like, Okay, he is no longer underrated.

763
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: That it's a terrible idea, But for what he did,

764
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: I always kind of wonder, well, what would have happened

765
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: if Kyle Shannon actually had We found out, you know what,

766
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 3: he's second in success rate this year. He's behind Sam Darnold.

767
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: He is ahead of Stafford May, Daniel Jones, Like go

768
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: through all the names, he's literally ahead of everyone else.

769
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: Even if you're looking for more like big play type

770
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: of numbers EPA per play, it's almost identical to what

771
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: Purdy is there and at QBR And I do think

772
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: Perty is a better player. And the way I've now

773
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: like Mac is getting elevated to like he's that next

774
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, I'm not so sure, but I was glad

775
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: I got to watch him in this offense. I think,

776
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: do do a few things. What did you see out

777
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: of Mac Jones that tell me I'm not just crazy

778
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: that it's not all the system that he did something

779
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: in this system that were impressive.

780
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: No, he throw he rips balls down the field all

781
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the time. That's too. He was at Alabama, he was

782
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: the best deep thrower in the country. You would throw

783
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: with all this loft on the day. I mean they

784
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: had like a you know, Heisman room of receivers when

785
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: he was at Alabama, So you just throw it up

786
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: somewhere down there and those guys would find it. But

787
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: they were running a really difficult, complicated offense Alabama at

788
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: the time, and he would rethink so well. And I

789
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: always though with him when he was with the Pages,

790
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: it worked well with McDaniels. When mcdanial's on the stood

791
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: the asign which was this guy is like an eighteen

792
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: pass attempts, a game type player, and he's probably gonna

793
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: give us two absolute moonshots down the field when we

794
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: want it. But we cannot put the ball on this

795
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: guy's hands to decide games and point guard us down

796
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: the field as though we've got Brady or something. I

797
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: think you saw that mow of Shane. There were games

798
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: the Ramsey and where the balls in his hands a lot,

799
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: and then you get the two you know, brain thoughts

800
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: or errors. But if you put him on the Vikings

801
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: next season and it's like we're just gonna throw the

802
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: ball twenty times and if you can just have one

803
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: mistake and two you know, absolute hero shots down the field,

804
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: we feel pretty good about that.

805
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: That's a good landing spot. If he was going to

806
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: move on to another team, I think the forty nine

807
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: ers will have zero interest in trading him except for

808
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: for a huge price. And I don't think anyone's gonna

809
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: want to give him a huge price. They've got him

810
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: under contract for a low cost perty has had his

811
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: share of injuries, like that's very valuable to them. All right, Well,

812
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: Eric kind of made the decision for me. Mac Jones Baby,

813
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: if you're watching, if you're watching on YouTube, he put

814
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: mac Jones Baby as my all underrated QB. I you know,

815
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: I was still debating between him and then I did

816
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: want to give a shout out to one of Chris

817
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: Westling's favorite quarterbacks back in the day, Marcus Mariota just

818
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: getting it done, like runs that offense. Well, I actually

819
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: was surprised some of his under the hood numbers weren't

820
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: like as great as I thought, because to me, he's

821
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: passing the eye test. But he is doing his job.

822
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: He is everything you want as out of a backup quarterback.

823
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 3: So I love him kind of realizing his his best

824
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: self here with the commanders.

825
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: And if you look at you know, I mentioned how

826
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: shallow the fragant pool is. Those all these teams saying

827
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: do we bring in a veteran to compete to we

828
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: go and find a bridge guy, Go look at the

829
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: veteran quill at the box going to be availab in

830
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: the all season. It is absolute nightma fuel mugs. Mario

831
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: is gonna get paid really really well to come in

832
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: and compete for someone next season.

833
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: Sneaky young somehow, still only thirty two years old. Don't

834
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: let the don't let the gray hair fool you. And

835
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: it is funny because I think about West all the time.

836
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: With Mariota and Winston, we just for some reason spent

837
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: half of our you know, three of a three year

838
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: period debating between the two, and here are they are

839
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: still sort of on these twin tracks and now they're

840
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: just these fun backups that are that are playing well

841
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: and elevating their teams when they do play. All right,

842
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: let's go to the offensive line. We will wrap there,

843
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: and I'm leaning on you here. I have one thought,

844
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: but I'm actually gonna see the floor. Let's start at

845
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: the tackle position. Give me your two tackles you have

846
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: on the all underrated team.

847
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: So I went left them right tackle, as you should

848
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: do with teams. You should put them in their perferent positions.

849
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: So and left tackle. To me, it's it's a straight

850
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: shootout between menad Ryman and Paris Johnson. I went with

851
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson. I did enjoy. He had a quote about

852
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: a month ago about how much better life is essentially

853
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: with your Cobrasett in the building and not having to

854
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: deal with Kayla Murray about how much easier it is

855
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: to fight and be engaged in football. So that's been

856
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: fun to watch when he's in there. I think he's

857
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: still only twenty four. He's really figuring things out now

858
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: that he's not quite I don't think as athletically gifted

859
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: to be one of the five best in the league

860
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: for a prolonged stretch of his career with a sixth

861
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: through overall pick, you really hope you can go and

862
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: get yourself someone with the physical capabilities of like a Milata,

863
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: But he just plays with such veteran savvy. It's as

864
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: basically as like, just stay in front of the guy,

865
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: stick on and try and sustain through the block as

866
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: best as you can. And that really is the best

867
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you can hope for with when we've had so many

868
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: duds who have like the right athletic profile coming into

869
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: the league, and he was built as a super athlete,

870
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: he just doesn't quite move that way with the springs

871
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: to keep up with the dominant guys. I mean, he

872
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: got crushed by Mike cah Parsons crushed by Josh heinz Allen.

873
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: So against the tier one guys, he just can't sink

874
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: and bend with their true great ones, but he'll shut

875
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: down the B tier rushers, which a really similar profile

876
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: to Bernard Ryman, where you really want to have a

877
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: top five left tackle in the league, but it's really

878
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: viable to have one of those guys six through twelve.

879
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: And I think that Paris Johnson's has made his way

880
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: into that group.

881
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you, because when I watch him, he does seem

882
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: to move and have basically every everything that you want.

883
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: But you're seeing him because he is young as like

884
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: closer to I'm trying to think of like the level

885
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: of career, like a Jake Matthews type of career, than

886
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: possibly being a top five type of guy.

887
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you look up and you're like, that guy's

888
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: been there for twelve years? Has he been in the

889
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: league that long? But he says you can't find a replacement.

890
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: It's dumbed to go and chase something better. But yeah,

891
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: he's not Trent Williams and you just have to live

892
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: with that. And it's really valuable even when you go

893
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: through some of his pressure figures. I went through and

894
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: I looked at some of the pressures and I think

895
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff is just not on him.

896
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: It's really hard to tabulate the pressures, particularly if it's

897
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: one of the chip ones where it's like database on

898
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: how close they are to the quarterback. A lot of

899
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: that is Kyla moving into pressure. A lot of guys

900
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: like blown blocking mechanics where he's in the right spot

901
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: and then he gets dinged with the pressure because it's

902
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: off his side, but he's you know, blocking up correctly

903
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: based on the line coal. So I think if you

904
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: go through like true pressure's way he struggled. It's really

905
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: only being against the TI one players, and most guys

906
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: struggle with those guys. I just watched Trent Williams, good is,

907
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, get whooped by Miles Kara over and over again.

908
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: That's what happens against the great plays.

909
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when Jacoby Presett is holding the ball for

910
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: about three and a half seconds, that's that is Jacoby.

911
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: I love how man. If he could just not be

912
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: like inexplicably inaccurate on about four throws a game, he's

913
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: freaking awesome. I guess that's been a case for him

914
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: because he just hangs in there. But man, he is

915
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: holding the ball forever and he's making it harder on

916
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: his offensive line, and you know they've been better some

917
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: weeks than another. Bernard Ryman is a good shout out too.

918
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: I I thought, you know, for this extra like I

919
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: thought when Zach Tom signed that big contract, then everyone

920
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: was going to start just talking about him as one

921
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: of the best, you know, right tackles, the best players

922
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: in the league. And from what I've watched, I think

923
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: he's having a great season. But still I don't think

924
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: he's really getting that left. So I throw Zach Tom

925
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: out there still as underrated somehow, despite other money.

926
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I would always throw Zach Tom in there. If you

927
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: saw putting together the list of best right tackles, you

928
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: get to his name like third in line, Like he's

929
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: just right there. He is, even if you just go

930
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: by skill set, the slick feet, the base, everything is

931
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: as good. The fluidity, he's as good as anyone going.

932
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: He's just not quite in that A plus tier of

933
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: like Eline Johnson, where it's like, oh, here's a Hall

934
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: of Fame in their prime doing it at the highest level.

935
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: He's another guy who I remember last season when he

936
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: had Will Anderson, Daniel Hunter, and he was just in

937
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: an absolute blend. He's like, I Am not as physically

938
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: capable as these guys, but you put him against all

939
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the other a minus B plus cause he just locks

940
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: down the really really good plays in the league. And

941
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: he is an absolute killer in the run game, to

942
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: which the rest of the group is just, you know,

943
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: pretty much a travesty. And that only ever flows when

944
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: it goes through through Zach Tom.

945
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: It is funny because you're you're saying how it's not

946
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: easy to tackles and yet you know, switching back to Ryman,

947
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: who you mentioned the left tackle for the Colts, they

948
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: did find like the Anthony Costanzo like replacement exactly after

949
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: and so it's not hard for Chris Balladin. It's had

950
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: a good job with that. And I went to look,

951
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: I remembered he signed that contract last offseason, four years,

952
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars, sixty million dollars guaranteed. They kind

953
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: of got ahead of it with Ryman, and that's going

954
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: to age very well I think for the Colts. All right,

955
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: let's go to the interior line. Who are your guards?

956
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: My gods, we have to start with Damian Lewis from

957
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: the Panthers, who might now be my favorite player in

958
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. Wow. An absolutely bowling ball of a human being.

959
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: He is the tiniest, squattest interior lineman we have and

960
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: he just is out there to take souls. And what

961
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: can you not love about an interial linman who it's

962
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: just out there. Krishianvone who rarely ever loses one on

963
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: one in pass Pro. I've watched him go up against

964
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: Milton Williams and Dane Walker, Zach Sila, Josh Einzell, and

965
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: we mentioned the Trayvon Walka went up against both those

966
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: guys one on one. He just nails people immediately at

967
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: the point of contact and the rep is just over

968
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: not as quick moving side to side in passbo, but

969
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: in the wrong game he is just an absolute killer.

970
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: He's so low to the ground he just gets open

971
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: under people, immediately gets into position, can twist and control

972
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: anyone that you like, crazy crazy grip strength despite having

973
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: these really tiny arms. He just locks into people and

974
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: can maneuver even the best in the game and can

975
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: reset the line on the zone. The Packers film is

976
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: like all time, like just going watch one guy on

977
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: his own mall a front one on one. They keep

978
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: sending different bodies out and like someone else get the

979
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: Lewis assign and he's like, I'm good, I'm gonna go

980
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: reck that guy's afternoon. So, Damian Lewis, I have just

981
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: fallen in love with.

982
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: I love that you set me a clip that I

983
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: guess is common on tables. He's just like four yards

984
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: down the field blocking his guy. You're seeing that a lot.

985
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: That's turned into a great free agent pickup. I think

986
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: that was one of Dan Morgan's first signings that was

987
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: kind of there what they planted their flag doing, and

988
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: it it got some side eyes, I think for people

989
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: in the media and around the league, and it sounds

990
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: like it's worked out incredibly well.

991
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: He used to be very oddly flailing. I don't know

992
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: if he was concerned about having short throws who just

993
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of flail out there. Now he's just like, I'm

994
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: just gonna go and set the terms myself as if

995
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: I get in someone's face. The snap is of which

996
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: is why, as you said, you get there the snaps way,

997
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: He's three hours ahead of the rest of the line

998
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: of soul throwing up on themselves and panicking and he's

999
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: just out there hanging and chilling.

1000
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. They I was trying to think who else. Who

1001
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: is the other guy that they signed that they gave

1002
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: the huge money to is Robert Hunt who's been on

1003
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: injured reserve this year. But it did, it did give

1004
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: them a bit of an identity really the last two years,

1005
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: certainly last year running the ball. And that's a good

1006
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: shout out. Give me your other first team guard.

1007
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mike On when who who just

1008
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: come in and being as rediscovered himself, I would say

1009
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: as a stable force. He does not quite move people

1010
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: in the roong game the way he did when he

1011
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: was peaked Mike on Winu And it used to be

1012
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: he was this imposing Rombloca and what considers is you

1013
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: have the feet to really move. In past pro, you

1014
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: have to hide him and sneak him around. Now it's

1015
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of flipped where he looks a little bit stiff

1016
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: getting off the ball, and it's not always sweet and

1017
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: exactly what you won. But in pass pro he's gone

1018
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: up against some of the best in the league toe

1019
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: to toe and taken on Dex Lawrence and Vite Devey

1020
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: or Malik Collins and Jeffrey Simmons and just looked everyone down.

1021
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: So Michael Wanu with the Patriots. Of course, it's a

1022
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: dangerous spot here. First of all, you know there's a

1023
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: lot of Patriots talk here on this underrated team, so

1024
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: we could be accused by second, I should have I

1025
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: should have mentioned for for the listeners, Damian Lewis is

1026
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: a Panther, was on the Seahawks. I know he's not

1027
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: a household name. So so next time you're watching the Panthers, uh,

1028
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: check out Damian Lewis road grading for for Rico Dawdle

1029
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: there in the backfield. Owenu is interesting because so many

1030
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: people form their opinions on offensive linemen based on PFF,

1031
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: and I feel like he has been a PFF darling,

1032
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: but he's also have been very up and down in

1033
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: his career, kind of an unpredictable career arc where it's

1034
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: like year to year, position to position. You know, he

1035
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: has moved around quite a bit, but you kind of

1036
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: feel like he's stabilized and like he's gonna be on

1037
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: this team because it's funny. In the preseason, there was

1038
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: some talk that he might be on the way out,

1039
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: kind of like Kyle duggar, but instead here he is

1040
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: on Ali Connelly's all underrated team whatever.

1041
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: And I will say the right Gods spot is a

1042
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: little tough because Sam coused me has miss time with

1043
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: health and I feel like he's still underrated. An and

1044
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Dominic Pooney, who was like the I thought he was

1045
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: gonna be really really specialists, had a pretty difficult second

1046
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: year in the league. It's hot to say he's he's

1047
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: underrated this point. So he kind of looking through and going, well,

1048
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: everyone knows Quinn Minus is the best right guard in league.

1049
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: He just is. So you get to this almost like

1050
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: second team All Pro, and you're looking around like the

1051
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: John Travolta meme, like okay, where are my right gods

1052
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: that we can try and throw into this team? And

1053
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like when I think having Morgan Moses

1054
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: having a stable presence to the right side is what

1055
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: has allowed him to be so strong and passed port

1056
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: just having some degree certainty like, Okay, we're not gonna

1057
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: win every single rep with Mogan Moses, but at least

1058
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: I know that guy knows where he's gonna be. He's

1059
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna know who to pick up. And it's not like

1060
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: me looking around and panicking because the thing on Wendy

1061
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: strugs with the most is when there's some kind of

1062
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: exchange and he's got a look one way and then

1063
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: reset and go the other way, if at least have

1064
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: some degree certainty the event understands the assignment. I think

1065
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: you can just play quicker and that's why he's improved

1066
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: this season.

1067
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: There are so few values in free agency, especially on

1068
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: the offensive line, but you can find this on the

1069
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: defensive line too. You can, like the one place you

1070
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: can find value is like the thirty four thirty five

1071
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: year old just like get us through a season Morgan

1072
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: Moses type. Like those guys keep being out there. They

1073
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: don't get paid that much and they play as well

1074
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: or better than guys paid a lot more that are

1075
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: a lot younger, and they get you by for a season.

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00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: Let's wrap up with your center choice.

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00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: This is a tough one. This is like a head

1078
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: and hot situation for me, because I think the Luke

1079
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: waltimbag with the Broncos is maybe the most underrated to

1080
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: play it. But I'm sure to some people like who

1081
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: is that person? Who is Luke Wattenberg? Is that a

1082
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: realized that a lull for them. Is that a guy

1083
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: who plays in the NFL. So yeah, he's one of

1084
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: the best centers playing in the NFL. But I have

1085
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: to say it's Aaron brew with the Dolphins, who I

1086
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: think should probably even be Creed. It's always tough, but

1087
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: he's got a real shout for being the first team

1088
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: All procentto this season.

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00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: Wow, that is a great shout out, you know, by

1090
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: the way, on Wattenberg, who agrees with you. A contract

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00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: that we did not hit on this show was a

1092
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: four year, forty eight million dollar, only thirteen million dollar

1093
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: guaranteed contract by the Broncos a couple of weeks ago,

1094
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: or maybe even just a week ago. Sean Payton did

1095
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: it again, like he has a way of finding these

1096
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: interior guys and getting them signed for way too little money,

1097
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: like Jarry Evans, like those guys back with the Saints

1098
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 3: were like some of those underpaid players in the league

1099
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: for a while because they signed these early contracts. So

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00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: Wattenburg could go down like that. Tell me more about

1101
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: Brewer though, And I know you like Patrick Paul's development

1102
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: too for Miami, But Brewers do that that's unique among centers.

1103
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: Just the explosiveness he might be the twitchiest guy out

1104
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: of his stants in the league. The snap and ghost

1105
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: stuff is like not an easy skill for a lot

1106
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: of these players to figure out. You go and watch

1107
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: someone like Zach Frazen. He comes to anyone's like, this

1108
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: is the greatest center prospect in years. You go and

1109
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: watch the first year film. He struggles to snap and

1110
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: then move. It's like pretty difficult when you're trying to

1111
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: figure out all these giant bodies in front of you

1112
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: and remember what the rum mechanics are. And we've got

1113
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. It's not college football. You watch

1114
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Brewer go, he just moves at a different speed and

1115
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: tempo to everyone else. He rarely loses one on one

1116
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: in pass Pro, so you get all kind of like

1117
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: the Lindabaum run game upside with the speed and the

1118
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: strength and the intellect without any of the like, let's

1119
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: just take giant El's every third drive in pass Pro.

1120
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was gonna say, speaking of taking giant El's,

1121
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: poor Chris Beard. Chris Greer like this was a giant

1122
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: w for him and he's not still around to enjoy it.

1123
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: So shout out to Chris Greear for this.

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00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: The other thing I love about Brewer is he knows

1125
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: how much better he is than other people in the league,

1126
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: and he plays with like a real disday. When he's

1127
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: played the Bills this season, there are so many instances

1128
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: of him looking around like sick at how bad the

1129
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: competition is. After the play, he's like, how dare you

1130
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: step to a field with me? I'm Aaron Brewer and

1131
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm great.

1132
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Uh, and not comforting if you're like Eric

1133
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: Roberts is producing here a Bills fan. Let's wrap up

1134
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: with Eric's idea. He just wanted one matchup here, Ali

1135
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 3: that you're looking to. We're heading into what I think

1136
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: is the most interesting slate of the season. We've got,

1137
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: you know, three really important intriguing games in the early

1138
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: window on Sunday. All the primetime games are gonna be

1139
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: really huge in terms of playoff leverage. What is just

1140
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: like a matchup, whether it's a player, you know, a

1141
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: passing offense, whatever it is that you're you're most looking

1142
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: forward to this weekend.

1143
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Uh, this might be a little off the wall, so

1144
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: I apologize, but seeing how the Cardinals defensively want to

1145
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: get after the Rams because that staff more than most

1146
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: in the league, puts the fun film the ev one

1147
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: goes and steals. Now, they don't have the talent to

1148
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: compete necessarily at the level everyone else does, but seeing

1149
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: what they cook up against Sheil McVeigh, they are the

1150
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: ultimate like bespoke game plan staff, we didn't have the holess,

1151
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: we didn't have the talent. Let's try and figure out

1152
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: something crazy we can do to steal a couple of possessions.

1153
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: Does not always work, as we see by the record

1154
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: and the late game collapses. But I have a feeling

1155
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: they'll put some stuff down against the Rams that works

1156
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: to steal a drival to the other people will then

1157
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: go and steal moving into the playoffs.

1158
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. And they play them twice down the

1159
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 3: stretch here, and I brought it up on the show.

1160
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure how much to put into it, but

1161
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: they they did hold the Rams to a combined twenty

1162
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: three points last year, and the talent's probably better overall.

1163
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: And even the defense, like the numbers will tell you,

1164
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 3: this is like a borderline Top ten defense. It still

1165
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: has been a good Cardinals defense. They're one of the best.

1166
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: You know, damning with fan praise. Three nine teams I've

1167
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. They will make the Rams

1168
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: offense work. So that's a fascinating shout out, Like what

1169
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: have you as we wrap up, what have you liked

1170
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: about this Cardinals defense this year?

1171
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: Not an awful lot. Frankly, I'm not with you on

1172
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: them being one of the best three and nine teams.

1173
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I think now to their credit, they've had so many

1174
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: injuries in the secondary. They're rolling guys in and out

1175
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: all the time trying to.

1176
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: Figures about I'm just saying they're a five or six

1177
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: win team. They could easily be six and six, and it.

1178
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Would be like they should be six and six they

1179
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: had not blown games, they would be six and six.

1180
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: My number one thing with the Cardinals where I'm like, oh,

1181
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: I do not like this. This is not good for

1182
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: my soul is the decline of Buddha, who is the

1183
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: perennial all underrated player off just like the Hall of

1184
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: Fame guy, like you don't realize we had Troy Polamal

1185
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: who return to the league and he's just playing out

1186
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: in Arizona. On the teams. It's really unfair to see

1187
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: us a dip in Buddha's form, And I'm wondering can

1188
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: we get him maybe to another team where there's like

1189
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: a second resurgence in a second life. Would they allow

1190
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: him to try and do that or is it just

1191
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: once the decline comes for that position, that's just a

1192
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: problem and a lot of stuff. They do their most

1193
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: creative stuff, and they are probably the one defense in

1194
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: the NFL is this is the coverage shell. Here's where

1195
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: everyone is. And then Buddha, you just go and do

1196
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: what you want to do. You just figure it out

1197
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: on your own. That works really well when he's at

1198
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: peak athleticism, peak mentality, can read the game quicker than

1199
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: anyone else. When that takes even a three percent ding,

1200
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: you get all kinds of issues and coverage.

1201
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: We put you on the spot, and you delivered like

1202
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker does so often. They gave him an extension

1203
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: in December last year. It's always a weird time for

1204
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: an extension, and so he's probably not going anywhere that

1205
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: would be tough to trade. But he is one of

1206
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: those players I agree with you that i'd like to

1207
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: see in a different uniform at at some point in

1208
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: the spotlight making playoff runs. They're not doing that anytime soon.

1209
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: All Right, that's it for the all underrated team on offense.

1210
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: I enjoyed doing it. I think we should do the

1211
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: defense next week and then we don't even have to

1212
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: come up with another idea. Another Saturday with for the Sikos.

1213
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: Thank you Ali, Thanks great, will be back. The Saturday

1214
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: obviously are the last time before you hear us before

1215
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: the recap show. Jordan rod Rieg, who's been away on assignment,

1216
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: should have mentioned at some point this week for the athletics,

1217
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: we'll be back in the studio with myself in Patrick

1218
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 3: Clayband and Nick Chook in Cleveland or the recap show,

1219
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: we'll see them