WEBVTT - Minisode: Reverse Q&A

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media. Hello Molly, here with a little minisode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the end of the year and that's got me

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about trying to wrap up loose ends. Earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 1>I answered some of your questions, but I left out

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<v Speaker 1>something important. Sometimes you guys answer my questions. I get

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<v Speaker 1>so many fascinating little tidbits from you all, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not lying when I say I really do read all

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<v Speaker 1>of your emails. I read all of them, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate every person of Greek ancestry who wrote in with

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<v Speaker 1>their own family stories about the nickname Yanaki, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just Greek for little Johnny. And I was very intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>to find out that Brian Serralt pronouncing his name Seralt

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<v Speaker 1>and not soah. Maybe more than just the American tradition

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<v Speaker 1>of mispronouncing anything foreign, because there is a particular linguistic

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<v Speaker 1>tendency to intentionally bastardize the pronunciation of anything French in

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<v Speaker 1>certain parts of New England because of local animosity towards Quebec.

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<v Speaker 1>And several of you wrote in to tell me that

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Smith setting his lawn on fire is apparently not

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<v Speaker 1>that weird, and burning dormant grass in the winter isn't

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<v Speaker 1>uncommon in rural areas. I mean, forgetting there was dynamite

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<v Speaker 1>hidden in the haybales. This is definitely not standard procedure,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact that he intentionally set his yard on

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<v Speaker 1>fire wouldn't have been confusing to the fire department. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. You guys all know so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love learning new things from you too, so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to everyone who has written to share their

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge with me. I think I'll start keeping notes on

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<v Speaker 1>the fun facts I get so I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>just rely on my memory, and maybe i'll add in

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<v Speaker 1>a row recurring segment or a quarterly round up of

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<v Speaker 1>the loose ends you guys have tied up for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Off the top of my head, though there are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple I wanted to tell you about. I'll keep your

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<v Speaker 1>names off the air because I forgot to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>how you felt about that, and I put this off

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<v Speaker 1>too long to have time to write you and ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I recently got an email from a court reporter

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<v Speaker 1>who had some information for me about what happens in

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<v Speaker 1>the transcript when someone misspeaks. In the October twenty eighth

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<v Speaker 1>minisoded about how often people accidentally mix up Norman Rockwell,

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<v Speaker 1>the artist and George Lincoln Rockwell, the Nazi. I told

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<v Speaker 1>you about the time I heard a lawyer make that

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<v Speaker 1>mistake in court. It was a memorable moment. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't consequential to the case, but I remember it

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<v Speaker 1>so clearly because I burst out laughing and was briefly

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit grateful for the global pandemic, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I was listening to the trial on my headphones

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<v Speaker 1>at home and not in the court room, where that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of outburst would have gotten me in trouble. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I went back to look at the transcript while

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing about it, it wasn't there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe it. I thought transcripts were these infallible

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<v Speaker 1>records of everything that was said in the courtroom. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this might earn me more emails from court reporters, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure court rules and local bets practices vary. But

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<v Speaker 1>the court reporter who wrote in said that where they work,

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<v Speaker 1>the rule is that you don't put into the transcript

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<v Speaker 1>words that were spoken by mistake if they are immediately

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<v Speaker 1>verbally corrected. So the transcript wouldn't say George Norman Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, George Lincoln Rockwell, it would just admit the

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<v Speaker 1>mistake entirely. And if you're just reading the transcript, all

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<v Speaker 1>you would see are the words that they meant to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, but it has been a tremendously unsettling

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<v Speaker 1>realization for me. And now I'm never going to stop

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<v Speaker 1>wondering what tiny little pieces are missing from the transcripts

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<v Speaker 1>I read. It sounds so minor, right, it sounds totally meaningless.

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<v Speaker 1>But when a case is appealed, there's not usually an

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<v Speaker 1>audio recording. The appellate case is just a transcript, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's no true, faithful record of what the jury heard

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom. There is no objective truth or reality

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<v Speaker 1>when you're looking at the past. I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>really shook me. And now this is just a mini

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll just tell you one more. One of you

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<v Speaker 1>emailed me to tell me what Dan Burrows was watching

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<v Speaker 1>on TV on Saturday, November tenth, nineteen sixty two. This

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<v Speaker 1>was from the first episode about John Patler, The Death

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<v Speaker 1>of a Demagogue, Part one from September e eighteenth of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, and toward the end of that episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the few months John Patler spent in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City in late nineteen sixty two early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three, during one of his spats with George Lincoln Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember before he ultimately murdered Rockwell in sixty seven. Pler

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<v Speaker 1>had a few rough spots in his friendship with Rockwell,

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<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen sixty two he had packed up and

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<v Speaker 1>moved to New York City with another member of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Nazi Party who was so mad at Rockwell that

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<v Speaker 1>he also quit, was a guy named Dan Burrows, and

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<v Speaker 1>they set up their own rival Nazi group, but never

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<v Speaker 1>really had very many members and it was struggling to

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<v Speaker 1>really even be a group at all, and this failure

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<v Speaker 1>was starting to put a strain on their friendship. And

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<v Speaker 1>the real nail in the coffin came on November tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two. John Patler was arrested that day for

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<v Speaker 1>putting on a one man protest outside Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dan Burrows had refused to go with him day.

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<v Speaker 1>In a biography of Burroughs, it just said he stayed

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<v Speaker 1>home to watch sports on TV. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>what game it was. The book didn't even say which sport.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent like an hour or two on this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of embarrassing because it doesn't matter. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about sports today, let alone about sports in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties. So I gave up the day the episode

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<v Speaker 1>came out, I think honestly, in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Within hours a bit appearing on the podcast apps, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a text from my dear friend Gode. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know God, you should check out his coverage

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<v Speaker 1>of Virginia state politics on Twitter, Blue Sky, and TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>at God Gatsby in case you didn't know. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>tacky to plug my friend's stuff in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a story, but he's the only person in the world

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<v Speaker 1>who has both picked me up from jail and been

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<v Speaker 1>picked up from jail by me, and that's a special

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<v Speaker 1>kind of friend. But God texted me to answer my

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<v Speaker 1>first question. No, there weren't reruns of sports games on

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<v Speaker 1>TV in nineteen sixty two like there are today, So

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<v Speaker 1>whatever Dan Burrows was watching, it was a game that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been played that day. And God told me

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<v Speaker 1>that the only televised sport on a Saturday in November

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty two would have been college football, so

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<v Speaker 1>that definitely narrows it down, and I felt satisfied. But

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<v Speaker 1>then recently one of you took this over the finish line.

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<v Speaker 1>There were several college football games on November tenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, but CBS aired the Purdue at Michigan State game,

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<v Speaker 1>which Perdue won seventeen to nine. Now doesn't that matter, No,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all, but I feel so much better knowing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it does kind of drive home the point

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<v Speaker 1>that Dan Burroughs was completely checked out of whatever he

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<v Speaker 1>and John Patler were doing. There's no way he cared

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<v Speaker 1>about either of those teams. He didn't even go to college,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was from the Bronx. He never spent any

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<v Speaker 1>time in Indiana or Michigan, but that football game was

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<v Speaker 1>still more interesting to him than getting arrested with John

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<v Speaker 1>Patler and Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral. So now we know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I realized now that I was going about it all wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to find old TV schedules and newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>archives instead of seeking out the online archives of sports

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<v Speaker 1>fanatics researches its own skill. Subject matter expertise can only

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<v Speaker 1>take you so far. You have to know how to

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<v Speaker 1>find what you don't know, so I am grateful to

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<v Speaker 1>all of you who write in to help me fill

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<v Speaker 1>in those gaps. Weird Little Guys is a prorection of

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<v Speaker 1>Poolzo Media and iHeartRadio. It's research, written and recorded by me,

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<v Speaker 1>Molly conger Our e secontive producers are Sophie Lichterman and

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Evans. The show is edited by the wildly talented

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<v Speaker 1>You can email me at Weird Blue Guys Podcast at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. I will definitely read it. I probably

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<v Speaker 1>won't answer it, but I might talk about it on

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