Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello Molly, here with a little minisode.
Speaker 1: It's the end of the year and that's got me
Speaker 1: thinking about trying to wrap up loose ends. Earlier this month,
Speaker 1: I answered some of your questions, but I left out
Speaker 1: something important. Sometimes you guys answer my questions. I get
Speaker 1: so many fascinating little tidbits from you all, and I'm
Speaker 1: not lying when I say I really do read all
Speaker 1: of your emails. I read all of them, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate every person of Greek ancestry who wrote in with
Speaker 1: their own family stories about the nickname Yanaki, which is
Speaker 1: just Greek for little Johnny. And I was very intrigued
Speaker 1: to find out that Brian Serralt pronouncing his name Seralt
Speaker 1: and not soah. Maybe more than just the American tradition
Speaker 1: of mispronouncing anything foreign, because there is a particular linguistic
Speaker 1: tendency to intentionally bastardize the pronunciation of anything French in
Speaker 1: certain parts of New England because of local animosity towards Quebec.
Speaker 1: And several of you wrote in to tell me that
Speaker 1: Frank Smith setting his lawn on fire is apparently not
Speaker 1: that weird, and burning dormant grass in the winter isn't
Speaker 1: uncommon in rural areas. I mean, forgetting there was dynamite
Speaker 1: hidden in the haybales. This is definitely not standard procedure,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he intentionally set his yard on
Speaker 1: fire wouldn't have been confusing to the fire department. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. You guys all know so much,
Speaker 1: and I love learning new things from you too, so
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who has written to share their
Speaker 1: knowledge with me. I think I'll start keeping notes on
Speaker 1: the fun facts I get so I don't have to
Speaker 1: just rely on my memory, and maybe i'll add in
Speaker 1: a row recurring segment or a quarterly round up of
Speaker 1: the loose ends you guys have tied up for me.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, though there are a
Speaker 1: couple I wanted to tell you about. I'll keep your
Speaker 1: names off the air because I forgot to ask you
Speaker 1: how you felt about that, and I put this off
Speaker 1: too long to have time to write you and ask you.
Speaker 1: But I recently got an email from a court reporter
Speaker 1: who had some information for me about what happens in
Speaker 1: the transcript when someone misspeaks. In the October twenty eighth
Speaker 1: minisoded about how often people accidentally mix up Norman Rockwell,
Speaker 1: the artist and George Lincoln Rockwell, the Nazi. I told
Speaker 1: you about the time I heard a lawyer make that
Speaker 1: mistake in court. It was a memorable moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't consequential to the case, but I remember it
Speaker 1: so clearly because I burst out laughing and was briefly
Speaker 1: a little bit grateful for the global pandemic, because that's
Speaker 1: why I was listening to the trial on my headphones
Speaker 1: at home and not in the court room, where that
Speaker 1: kind of outburst would have gotten me in trouble. But
Speaker 1: when I went back to look at the transcript while
Speaker 1: I was writing about it, it wasn't there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I thought transcripts were these infallible
Speaker 1: records of everything that was said in the courtroom. Now
Speaker 1: this might earn me more emails from court reporters, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure court rules and local bets practices vary. But
Speaker 1: the court reporter who wrote in said that where they work,
Speaker 1: the rule is that you don't put into the transcript
Speaker 1: words that were spoken by mistake if they are immediately
Speaker 1: verbally corrected. So the transcript wouldn't say George Norman Rockwell.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, George Lincoln Rockwell, it would just admit the
Speaker 1: mistake entirely. And if you're just reading the transcript, all
Speaker 1: you would see are the words that they meant to say.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, but it has been a tremendously unsettling
Speaker 1: realization for me. And now I'm never going to stop
Speaker 1: wondering what tiny little pieces are missing from the transcripts
Speaker 1: I read. It sounds so minor, right, it sounds totally meaningless.
Speaker 1: But when a case is appealed, there's not usually an
Speaker 1: audio recording. The appellate case is just a transcript, so
Speaker 1: there's no true, faithful record of what the jury heard
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. There is no objective truth or reality
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the past. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: really shook me. And now this is just a mini
Speaker 1: so I'll just tell you one more. One of you
Speaker 1: emailed me to tell me what Dan Burrows was watching
Speaker 1: on TV on Saturday, November tenth, nineteen sixty two. This
Speaker 1: was from the first episode about John Patler, The Death
Speaker 1: of a Demagogue, Part one from September e eighteenth of
Speaker 1: this year, and toward the end of that episode, I
Speaker 1: was talking about the few months John Patler spent in
Speaker 1: New York City in late nineteen sixty two early nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty three, during one of his spats with George Lincoln Rockwell.
Speaker 1: Remember before he ultimately murdered Rockwell in sixty seven. Pler
Speaker 1: had a few rough spots in his friendship with Rockwell,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty two he had packed up and
Speaker 1: moved to New York City with another member of the
Speaker 1: American Nazi Party who was so mad at Rockwell that
Speaker 1: he also quit, was a guy named Dan Burrows, and
Speaker 1: they set up their own rival Nazi group, but never
Speaker 1: really had very many members and it was struggling to
Speaker 1: really even be a group at all, and this failure
Speaker 1: was starting to put a strain on their friendship. And
Speaker 1: the real nail in the coffin came on November tenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. John Patler was arrested that day for
Speaker 1: putting on a one man protest outside Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral,
Speaker 1: and Dan Burrows had refused to go with him day.
Speaker 1: In a biography of Burroughs, it just said he stayed
Speaker 1: home to watch sports on TV. I wanted to know
Speaker 1: what game it was. The book didn't even say which sport.
Speaker 1: I spent like an hour or two on this, which
Speaker 1: is kind of embarrassing because it doesn't matter. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about sports today, let alone about sports in
Speaker 1: the sixties. So I gave up the day the episode
Speaker 1: came out, I think honestly, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Within hours a bit appearing on the podcast apps, I
Speaker 1: got a text from my dear friend Gode. Now, if
Speaker 1: you don't know God, you should check out his coverage
Speaker 1: of Virginia state politics on Twitter, Blue Sky, and TikTok
Speaker 1: at God Gatsby in case you didn't know. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: tacky to plug my friend's stuff in the middle of
Speaker 1: a story, but he's the only person in the world
Speaker 1: who has both picked me up from jail and been
Speaker 1: picked up from jail by me, and that's a special
Speaker 1: kind of friend. But God texted me to answer my
Speaker 1: first question. No, there weren't reruns of sports games on
Speaker 1: TV in nineteen sixty two like there are today, So
Speaker 1: whatever Dan Burrows was watching, it was a game that
Speaker 1: would have been played that day. And God told me
Speaker 1: that the only televised sport on a Saturday in November
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty two would have been college football, so
Speaker 1: that definitely narrows it down, and I felt satisfied. But
Speaker 1: then recently one of you took this over the finish line.
Speaker 1: There were several college football games on November tenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two, but CBS aired the Purdue at Michigan State game,
Speaker 1: which Perdue won seventeen to nine. Now doesn't that matter, No,
Speaker 1: not at all, but I feel so much better knowing it,
Speaker 1: and maybe it does kind of drive home the point
Speaker 1: that Dan Burroughs was completely checked out of whatever he
Speaker 1: and John Patler were doing. There's no way he cared
Speaker 1: about either of those teams. He didn't even go to college,
Speaker 1: and he was from the Bronx. He never spent any
Speaker 1: time in Indiana or Michigan, but that football game was
Speaker 1: still more interesting to him than getting arrested with John
Speaker 1: Patler and Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral. So now we know, and
Speaker 1: I realized now that I was going about it all wrong.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find old TV schedules and newspaper
Speaker 1: archives instead of seeking out the online archives of sports
Speaker 1: fanatics researches its own skill. Subject matter expertise can only
Speaker 1: take you so far. You have to know how to
Speaker 1: find what you don't know, so I am grateful to
Speaker 1: all of you who write in to help me fill
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Speaker 1: won't answer it, but I might talk about it on
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